What Happened at Worlds 2017 Cannot Happen Again | Timer Resets
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- I hope timer resets are soon a thing of the past. What happened at Worlds 2017 cannot happen again. It sucks for the competitiors and the delegates. We all want fair competitions. We don't want solved cubes counted as DNFs.
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Wow thanks for featuting me
Actually in my case I was given an extra attempt because the timer reset on its own due to low battery
@100 subscribers no videos ??? Khawaja "lucky"
100 subscribers no videos ??? Khawaja yes very lucky to miss a good solve because of bad equipment
Heyy en fait , tu parles super bien anglais (0_0)
Juliette Sébastien yeah, i think this error should be patched or at least someone need to make a timer with a memory (like it keeps the 5 previous solves)... et aussi tu es super continue comme ça ! J’ai quelque peu lâcher le cubing mais j’adore en regarder :)
Rip 5
Make the reset button require a 2 second hold to activate.
Edit: I’m aware of the g5. This comment is 3 years old. I’m aware that this problem has been resolved.
Eddie Kalista literally what I thought.
I say 5 seconds, to make sure
thought the same thing. plug in power and a 3 sec hold on the reset and power button.
@@rush8647 ignore the obvious troll
One second should be enough
If extra attempts on timer resets were allowed, dishonest cubers could just force a timer reset when they get a bad scramble or a bad solve, so that's not a good solution.
Samuel Simko I thought about that too and I agree. Seems like a cubing-specific timer is the only solution that doesn’t leave anything on the table.
Exactly. A functioning timer, not even perfect, just not with terrible flaws, would make it impractical to accidentally simulate a timer malfunction.
Mhmm
Ya this is why the regs are the way they are
@@simonchanin I mean, they have the capability of making a good one they just need to fix the layout of the timer
All cubing manufacturers want to know your location.
Nice Tokyo Ghoul banner my fellow Vietnamese
Twistii Cuber fellow Vietnamese
Twistii Cuber hi
Chán thật chứ tôi cũng bị nhiều
Hey I judged you at your recent competition at your last solve. You're fast, and nice :)
"This might be the worst moment in Cubing History"
Me: *cough, cough* Jayden McNeil sub 4 fail, *cough,cough*
😂🤣
Feliks corner twist wr fail
@@pulsarcubes Nah. Both of them were wr, yes, but a sub-4 wouldve been totally legendary (since it wouldve been the first one). Feliks fanboy spotted
Haha
Cough hays
Everybody talking about the timer reseting and all...
0:37 But nobody talking about the fact that they resurected Albert Einstein just to take him to the championship.
haha that’s uwe meffert
@@LaZer0MonKey more like UwU Meffert lol
Hahaha
@@LaZer0MonKey r/woooosh
@@Anvi_535 hello fellow Internet user named after an object
Great video. But I just wanna make clear that giving extras for timer resets is not an option. One can easily make a reset appear accidental if the solve is going badly.
this
yeah, this should've been mentioned in the video
@100 subscribers no videos ??? Khawaja what
@100 subscribers no videos ??? Khawaja Yes, everyone cares if you cheat. No, that doesn't work, everyone would figure the unknown reg after a while, but it doesn't even matter cus it's a shitty rule that allows you to cheat as long as it's not too much.
Mhmm
I like how Feliks was so calm about these malfunctions.
Personally I think the saddest moment in all of cubing history was when Jayden McNeill missed getting the worlds first 3 by dropping the cube.
ikr
What about Feliks corner twist
But jaydens was probably worse
@@jjcubers1783 yeah, Feliks had a lot of WRs.
Poor jay :(
Equipment malfunction
What idiot puts a reset button anywhere near the area
It's designed for speedstacking, not speedsolving
Surely they would be able to accurately calculate the time using high speed cameras even if the timer breaks.
bruh$
Ikr you can literally see the time
or just count the frames, it is fixed 30/60fps anyways
Or just have the computer save the last 3 times. Like a stopwatch
Exactly
Even for stackers, speedstacks timers have always had various issues. The generation 3 timers would often turn off with 8:88.888 shown if stopped too hard, even when the batteries are brand new. And the gen 4 timers did not fix this issue. The only generation timer I found not to experience any issues was the generation 2 non-save timer, which was discontinued all the way back in 2011. And yes, normal resets occur far too often to be acceptable. Not only should the timers be redesigned, they should also be vigorously checked for bugs before release, which speedstacks clearly failed at doing.
hi michel
@@benjaminkyle3867 hi benny
Wassup dude
@@mrartt hi
@@SpeedStacker-ml9hp hello
2 years later... This is where the SpeedStacks G5 Timer comes in
nothing to do with the video but omfg watching meffert interacting with seb brings back memories
do what he said and dont drop the cube
Makes me mad
@@theWestonian what is meffert?
@@arcotmohammedrushaan5502 not what . Who is meffert
He created a lot of shapeshiftinf cubes
2:57 can we take a time to admire that pen freestyle skills on his hand
It’s just practice. 🤷🏻
1:07 the little “nod” from Feliks, and then the realization of what happened, followed by empathy though.
Everything you mentioned is correct. In WSSA sport stacking competition (which the timers are originally made for) If the timer does any of this (except for the 8:888:888 malfunction) its DQd and we lose one of our three attempts.
The timers record to 0.000 because in Sport stacking there used to be an insane amount of ties and the new decimal place brought down the amount of ties by a lot and Ive won several events in tournament because of that new decimal place.
It would be really cool if you guys designed and built your own timers, id love to see it
Also, there are timers that reset when you place your hands down on the touch pads after a few seconds, but they arent compatible with the tournament displays.
There might be an even EASIER fix. Just make the timer have a "memory" function of the previous "valid" time that isn't 0:000. That way if it does get reset it would still remember.
That would require memory which is way more expensive than the parts used on the timer
@@Anon.G the cheapest of elementary school calculators have a Small memory in it to remember the last result, they're not expensive at all
@@Anon.G it already has memory but doesn't use it well
@@8paolo96 they're volatile memory, after a power off all data is lost in those
@@yidisprei100 alright then it's possible
6.159 was the time
(For the first one)
I hate it when the timer resets officially. I would’ve had a sub 15 squan average last weekend.
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Instead of pushing the reset button by accident why can’t they just make the button to pulling the button
ReaperX cos they lazy
ReaperX why not just put the reset button at the sides or under
Requiring you to hold it down for 1 or 2 seconds is much easier and doesn't require changing the actual button or layout.
the first vid's time is actually 6.159 if u look with 0.25x speed
You can see all the times if you pause the video near the solves and use "," and "." to move up/down frames.
Times:
6.159
25.287
1.398
5.773
8.842
15.241
1.494
8.504
I sea it normal speed
RGS Ninja *see
@@nml5027 oh rly? u have hawk eyes or something?
恩頎陳 he plays fortnite I wouldn’t even bother arguing
Him : starts solving
Me : *blinks*
Him : finishes solving
Me: did I miss anything?
i see why you dont have friends
R' LMAO
@@rprime4308 😂
INTRODUCING THE NEW GEN 5 SPEED TIMER WITH A TOTALLY NEW DESIGN .moves the reset button somewhere else.
Just freeze frame the timer? Playback? Wow.
But majority of camera has 30-60fps, so it cant get accurate down to 0.001 second
Good idea though
@@berliandro majority camera? There are plenty of slow motion cameras that are used for various things, including sports competitions such as sprinting etc. Surely cubers official tourney could get their hands on one.
6.159 for the first solve.
not every competition has a live stream and not everyone takes a video of every solve they do
@@Indev but for something as big and importans as Worlds finals, they should do.
0:39 Thats when Max Park changed the way he was holding his ticket
With this amount of dnf, I’m surprised the competition didn’t get dnf ‘d
Sebastian's Reaction Was The Best
2:00 That guy looks like he said wtf
Lol the timer reset should be at the side, a very simple fix for a professional equipment.
Yeahh I'm in de video, but I don't understand my case I had a 0.02 instead of 0.000.
Probably reset and kept counting up, and then your hands touched the pads and stopped the timer. Your thumb was ahead of your palms. Maybe. Definitely a malfunction nonetheless
There's an explicit regulation that would offer you a do-over in that case
Yep A solve Under 0.06 secs is considered malfunction
YJ In 2020: WE HAVE A SOLUTION!
"Touchless Timer"
I have never experienced a timer reset, nor in competence nor at home, but I’m pretty sure that feeling might be really bad.
I have friends who experienced that problem and they looked really disappointed.
I hope cube brands start taking care of that issue.
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lol 666 k views as of the 14th of December 2019. this video is cursed
Yikes
I failed nr2 avg on 3x3 because that happened 😔
Rip
All that needs it happen is move the reset/power buttons and make it work properly when battery is low
*”Should the WCA change the regulations?”*
Me: *YES*
Would love to see this happen. As someone who's not a cuber, is there any reason the WCA doesn't use the 3rd digit?
Is because they dont change to add the 3rd decimal like in WSSA
So how the WCA use the old display for so much time that they keep like the old display
0:26
I thought jay's sub 4 fail was the worst moment in cubing history 🤔🤔
how is 3:53 even possible?
Indev Yes, it was me... I don't know how this case happend😂
@@kasper9697 Oof
Agreed. This really is not fair
Watching this 3 years later I wonder if this video was the reason the new g5 has a cubing mode that has the few seconds of holding down
It would probably help if there were timers made specifically for cubing, instead of speed stacking timers being adapted for cubing
Edit: 3:06 ooooohhhhhhh
Even we had orings on all of the timers, we still got 8:88:888 or timer reset issues, I felt sad too when seeing these happened.
(wca announcement) ok everybody we're all gonna use giker cubes now!
Why they can't just watch the clip where they were filmed and look at the timer at the exact time they've restarted???
Why am I watching this If i can't even solve the first layer.
Ok
It's because you care...
You care about what matters to harder core fans of a sport you have an interest in.
Empathy is a good trait to have. 👍
And caring about others will help you to better yourself too...
Maybe even in eventually solving the cube someday.
For me as a stacker, I understand the issues that you guys face with the timers, as i have faced these issues at stacking tournaments too. I would suggest for you guys to try using the speed stacks gx timers, because the don’t have a reset button but the pads are smaller than the pads on gen 4 and gen 3 timers
During Euros 2019 I experienced the wierdest thing ever with these timers. 4x4, the competitor finished, stopped the timer, and it has stopped for sure. I started writing down the time, and after the seconds, I looked up to check the rest of the time, and the timer was running again, with 1 additional MINUTE compared to the original time...
Jé most olvasom másodszor a kommented, de fel se tűnt a neved, csak most :) Szia Dani!
what
If there is video evidence, like a security camera to frame count the time from start, aka, from starting the timer and stopping.
0:13 his time was 6.027
Actually 6.159
@@calebyao. Yes, that's true
So what, its too hard to count a time that was recorded on camera? Like, everyone is aware of the reset, there are people recording the time, and video tapping, but nothing is possible like lol.
Why are that hand stops not placed away from the controls like a wired gaming controller, that would keep the reset button away from the hands entirely!!!!
0:05 6.159 is what his time would’ve been if he hadn’t reset
Kevi Hayes 6x6 world record fail explosion is the worst thing to happen in cubing history
Look up jay mcneills 4.97 official solve fail.
Yeah definitely
Thats honestly really stupid. These companies are killing each other to try and sell the best cubes but none of them thought about simple tools like the timer
Fantastic video, and very important points. I do believe there should be a timer specifically designed for cubing, piggy-backing off of speed stacks timers is ludicrous.
Oh hi M
@@twistiicuber1055 Oh hello xD
It's your own fault if this happens but design needs improvement.
No
@@calebyao. Clearly it is. You cause the reset. Dont.
Yeah guys. Use o-rings. Wrap it before you tap it.
_bluriCuber if you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it
Yes we should make a Rubik’s cube specific timer and we should be given extra attempts it’s only fair since it’s not technically our fault and it shouldn’t happen anyway
Unfortunately there are legal issues. Speedstacks has a patent on timers that are started and stopped this way.
you perhaps know when that expires?
Who else noticed the judge doing pen tricks 2:50
Just need a non volatile memory in the device so even with a reset or battery death it should store the data
What they should do is change the reset button into a switch wired from the timer in which only the the guy who records the solves has access to.
6.159 for those of you who are curious
This has now been solved with G5
Why can't you just put it is ultra slow motion so you can see when you hit dont
The displays have a certian amount of latency from the timer, so the time that they display is slightly behind what the timer is actually recording. In addition the displays don't refresh every thousandth (or hundredth) of a second, making it impossible to get an accurate time.
Ok thanks
Wait, the same problems should be occurring in speedstacks too, right? So why wouldn't it be fixed by now?
Chris Tran, it's time.
Build a new fucking timer. People will eat that shit up. Also WCA SHOULD record 3 decimal points. Records are getting too damn close lately.
This is a sport? Never heard of it
Ikr all these people were pissed I would be too.
Never knew what the rings were for, very interesting. Nice topic, a new timer design with your suggestions would be amazing.
The reset button should be in the middle of the timer.
Hi Phillip , when you were discussing it was a very motivational. And I really liked it 🙂🙂🙂
That's right👌😙
Why not they just add a very simple feature that you have to hold the reset button for 5 seconds? That's a very cheap upgrade!
I hope you mean 0.5 seconds, because 5 would be way too long
First like and comment. Clicked this faster than the fastest Pyraminx Single at worlds
want a cookie bud?
That's why there is the new Speedstacks G5. Whether you hate it or not this new timer will prevent such things from happening again.
I completely agree with this. They should allow extras when this happens. It’s completely unfair and not the competitors fault that the timer resets.
yes, good point, but if a cuber had a bad solve, they could easily force a timer reset and get to start all over again and thats not fair
well now we have gen5 stackmat timers that PREVENT accidental resets!!! 😄😄😄
Why change the regulations when you can change the production..
for anyone wondering what his first solve was it was 6.159
Real time when he finish 6.027
When he press the button 6.159
3:04 he literally predicted the future
just buy a g5 speed stacks timer. they take longer for it to reset and they placed the reset button somewhere else.
i think we should use YJ timer because the reset button in way far from the place you put ur hand
That's good a channel like yours with a lot of people speaks about that scandale !!
As someone who is not in the competitive scene and watching this at past midnight on a Wednesday, this is a serious problem.
Just get a slow mo camera in case something bad happens
Very important message for WCA AND SPEED STACKS
Simple solution: stackmats G5 (or gan timer)
Who else is not even a cuber
6.159 seconds
(Edit) I forgot I commented
Unpopular opinion : comps should be done on keyboard 😂😂
kinda agree
Check the new g5 timer lol. I’m a cup stacker lol
Oh crap now I know how Rami dnfed...
the YJ timer is REALLY nice
no such problems on it
There are timers that reset when you put your hands on each side of the timer.
"we should design a new timer"
foreshadowing
If you watch it at 0.25 speed it is 6.159