@@riverman8891we are getting ex Jehovah's witnesses coming home into the Catholic church . As the years go by I can guarantee more and more will leave the watchtower organization
I was a JW for 30+ years. When people used to stand outside gatherings like that it would really play into our persecution complex and strengthen our faith.
Hello. I hope you are a "true Christian" today. We've been to Mormon events many times and they tell us the same thing. But for those honest JWs and Mormons, I've known many that are now true believers that today are grateful to those they once hated. I would agree with those who say they are being persecuted if their homes were being burned down, they were stoned, imprisoned and beheaded, as the early Christians and thousands of Christians around the world today are, but reasoning from the word or quoting their own books could hardly be considered persecution. Some really understand that we truly love them rather than walk by on the other side. BTW Thanks for the comment.
@@jerrybenson I'm not religious anymore, I became agnostic. "True Christian" is how each of the tens of thousands of denominations refer to themselves, to the exclusion of all the others. Every denomination tailors their doctrine according to their scriptural interpretation.
@@user-vo4wc2jz8g Tragically, the masses of JWs that leave the faith rarely become "true Christians." I can say that after 40 years of attempting to rescue those deceived by the Watchtower that their minds are so poisoned that they abandon everything when they discover the Watchtower Society is a false religion. I also am totally confident that I can't reason you into the kingdom of God. I am however privileged to explain the precious gospel as best I can and trust God to transform hearts. You desperately need a new "living" heart that is currently "dead." Until you see the seriousness of the weight of your personal sins, the gospel remedy will be foolishness. I pray that you might encounter the living Jesus who still beckons, "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Matthew 11:28,29
@@jerrybenson when somebody calls themselves a "true Christian" it's purely conjecture. As I said before, every Christian thinks of themselves as such. As I said before, I'm agnostic. I'm equally as unlikely to observe Yom Kippur or practice Prayaschitta for my Adharma.
When people such as this make general misleading statements like “They deny Christ” is why one needs to be cautious of that speaker. They lead people astray with their biblical misgivings as they don’t understand God’s purpose for mankind. The created not God-man Jesus came to earth to make the covenant with the house of Israel. Not Samaritans nor Gentiles. Though they would not be part of the covenant those two groups would have still benefit. No different with the ones Jesus has made a covenant for a kingdom with them.
I hope you heard the reason why I said they "deny Christ." The reality that Watchtower tells them "don't partake." To partake is to say, "Yes I believe Jesus body was broken for me. Yes I believe He shed His blood for me." To watch the emblems go by is to "deny Christ." I will not embrace HIm nor His remedy for my sins. I have no desire to be with HIm. I will follow the Watchtower rather than Christ. I pray that Christ will be worth following for you and your family.
@@jerrybenson Here’s the thing Jerry, the bible does not teach everyone will go to heaven and that is a biblical understanding that the man made religious traditions has obscured for centuries
@@jahtruthdefender Sounds like you didn't even read my reason why witnesses "deny Christ." Please look at it again and then "specifically" give me a precise reason that I am wrong. Vague comments about man made religious traditions is really a poor defense. BTW. I don't know of any true Christians that believe everyone will go to heaven. I think if you admit it you must follow JW.org regardless where truth and reason leads. You must NOT think independently from the Watchtower.
@@jerrybenson I read it a couple of times. However, I will further clarify but could you elaborate on the statement “not knowing of any true Christians that believe everyone will go to heaven.” Where do true Christians believe true Christians are going if not heaven? Here’s the thing on “independent thought” which every person has, however, no bible text says we are to have independent thoughts when it comes to bible beliefs and teachings. Jerry that is what has lead to 10’s of thousands of Christ based faiths. We adhere to the bible to be in unity and one thought. That means believing the *same* teachings and beliefs(Philippians 2:2)
@@jahtruthdefender Dear defender. You must start by understanding what I said. This requires that you read "carefully" what was stated and what was not stated. This requires you look at each word, the meaning, and attempt to at least understand what you are about to defend. AGAIN, No true Christian believes EVERYONE will go to heaven. This would mean that every person ever born on planet earth will go to heaven. AGAIN true Christians don't believe that. Most people will end up in hell, lost forever. Those that are saved which will be a much smaller number will all go to heaven. You will be with Jesus your savior. This is what it means to be a Christian.
Yes they reject the Deity of the Christ. The Christ nor did the Apostles preach and teach of a dual covenant. If they reject God's flesh and blood then they are rejecting the new covenant. So which covenant are they under than? Also, did they not read Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. So they say Rev 14:4 is figurative and the 144,000 are literal, and it pertains to jw's only save few in the new testament? What a twisted doctrine. Who decided that? Also they changed their bible in Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. So in their new world translation, Revelation 5:10 and you made them to be a kingdom+ and priests to our God,+ and they are to rule as kings+ over the earth.” According to the Greek interlinear it is "upon" the earth, meaning on the earth, NOT "over" the earth. Revelation 5:10 καὶ (and) ἐποίησας (You have made) αὐτοὺς (them) τῷ (to the) Θεῷ (God) ἡμῶν (of us), βασιλείαν (a kingdom) καὶ (and) ἱερεῖς (priests); καὶ (and) βασιλεύσουσιν (they will reign)a ἐπὶ (upon) τῆς (the) γῆς (earth).”
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5 Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Mr 1914. In your first three sentences you have well over one hundred words and about 9 Bible references. Take a deep breath and give me your best reference that one could determine that Jesus is a created being. (p.s. I know this is off topic but was wondering why you would use the Watchtower false prophecy date of 1914 as your RUclips identifier?.... don't worry we won't go after any rabbits just wondering???)
@@jerrybenson I already posted what the Bible says about Jesus, HE WAS GIVEN LIFE, HE WAS called MADE, and COME INTO BEING and NEVER called CREATOR OR MAKER but included himself in WORSIPPING GOD. GOD does not worship himself and GOD is NEVER described as MADE AND COME INTO BEING
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Take a deep breath. Let me help you a little. So I ask again, give me a verse we can carefully examine that is clear that Jesus is a created being. Here is an example that Jesus is the CREATOR and that He is God. John 1:1 says that the Word (Jesus) was with God and that He is God. The next few verses follow that Jesus is the creator. Certainly you have a verse where we could clearly see that Jesus is a created being, Michael the Arch Angel. P.S.
@@jerrybenson Prov 8 this Wisdom who is actually Jesus is called CREATED/PRODUCED and this Wisdom is a Master. Who is our Master? Jesus. 1 Cor 1:24 Jesus is the WISDOM OF GOD
hi buddy i am a ex jw and i love jesus christ so very much
So you are ex jw. Which denomination have you joined so far? None right,?
@@riverman8891we are getting ex Jehovah's witnesses coming home into the Catholic church . As the years go by I can guarantee more and more will leave the watchtower organization
They need a film projector with Geoffrey Jackson making his comment and Ray Franz
I was a JW for 30+ years. When people used to stand outside gatherings like that it would really play into our persecution complex and strengthen our faith.
Hello. I hope you are a "true Christian" today. We've been to Mormon events many times and they tell us the same thing. But for those honest JWs and Mormons, I've known many that are now true believers that today are grateful to those they once hated. I would agree with those who say they are being persecuted if their homes were being burned down, they were stoned, imprisoned and beheaded, as the early Christians and thousands of Christians around the world today are, but reasoning from the word or quoting their own books could hardly be considered persecution. Some really understand that we truly love them rather than walk by on the other side. BTW Thanks for the comment.
@@jerrybenson I'm not religious anymore, I became agnostic.
"True Christian" is how each of the tens of thousands of denominations refer to themselves, to the exclusion of all the others. Every denomination tailors their doctrine according to their scriptural interpretation.
@@user-vo4wc2jz8g Tragically, the masses of JWs that leave the faith rarely become "true Christians." I can say that after 40 years of attempting to rescue those deceived by the Watchtower that their minds are so poisoned that they abandon everything when they discover the Watchtower Society is a false religion. I also am totally confident that I can't reason you into the kingdom of God. I am however privileged to explain the precious gospel as best I can and trust God to transform hearts. You desperately need a new "living" heart that is currently "dead." Until you see the seriousness of the weight of your personal sins, the gospel remedy will be foolishness. I pray that you might encounter the living Jesus who still beckons, "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. Matthew 11:28,29
@@jerrybenson when somebody calls themselves a "true Christian" it's purely conjecture. As I said before, every Christian thinks of themselves as such.
As I said before, I'm agnostic. I'm equally as unlikely to observe Yom Kippur or practice Prayaschitta for my Adharma.
I do agree however the JW organisation is destructive, often dishonest and bears many of the hallmarks of a cult.
If anyone wants help to fill the spiritual void left after leaving the JWs, join the chat group I created and let’s fellowship.
When people such as this make general misleading statements like “They deny Christ” is why one needs to be cautious of that speaker.
They lead people astray with their biblical misgivings as they don’t understand God’s purpose for mankind.
The created not God-man Jesus came to earth to make the covenant with the house of Israel. Not Samaritans nor Gentiles. Though they would not be part of the covenant those two groups would have still benefit. No different with the ones Jesus has made a covenant for a kingdom with them.
I hope you heard the reason why I said they "deny Christ." The reality that Watchtower tells them "don't partake." To partake is to say, "Yes I believe Jesus body was broken for me. Yes I believe He shed His blood for me." To watch the emblems go by is to "deny Christ." I will not embrace HIm nor His remedy for my sins. I have no desire to be with HIm. I will follow the Watchtower rather than Christ. I pray that Christ will be worth following for you and your family.
@@jerrybenson Here’s the thing Jerry, the bible does not teach everyone will go to heaven and that is a biblical understanding that the man made religious traditions has obscured for centuries
@@jahtruthdefender Sounds like you didn't even read my reason why witnesses "deny Christ." Please look at it again and then "specifically" give me a precise reason that I am wrong. Vague comments about man made religious traditions is really a poor defense. BTW. I don't know of any true Christians that believe everyone will go to heaven. I think if you admit it you must follow JW.org regardless where truth and reason leads. You must NOT think independently from the Watchtower.
@@jerrybenson I read it a couple of times. However, I will further clarify but could you elaborate on the statement “not knowing of any true Christians that believe everyone will go to heaven.” Where do true Christians believe true Christians are going if not heaven?
Here’s the thing on “independent thought” which every person has, however, no bible text says we are to have independent thoughts when it comes to bible beliefs and teachings. Jerry that is what has lead to 10’s of thousands of Christ based faiths. We adhere to the bible to be in unity and one thought. That means believing the *same* teachings and beliefs(Philippians 2:2)
@@jahtruthdefender Dear defender. You must start by understanding what I said. This requires that you read "carefully" what was stated and what was not stated. This requires you look at each word, the meaning, and attempt to at least understand what you are about to defend. AGAIN, No true Christian believes EVERYONE will go to heaven. This would mean that every person ever born on planet earth will go to heaven. AGAIN true Christians don't believe that. Most people will end up in hell, lost forever. Those that are saved which will be a much smaller number will all go to heaven. You will be with Jesus your savior. This is what it means to be a Christian.
Yes they reject the Deity of the Christ. The Christ nor did the Apostles preach and teach of a dual covenant. If they reject God's flesh and blood then they are rejecting the new covenant. So which covenant are they under than?
Also, did they not read Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
So they say Rev 14:4 is figurative and the 144,000 are literal, and it pertains to jw's only save few in the new testament? What a twisted doctrine. Who decided that?
Also they changed their bible in Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
So in their new world translation, Revelation 5:10 and you made them to be a kingdom+ and priests to our God,+ and they are to rule as kings+ over the earth.”
According to the Greek interlinear it is "upon" the earth, meaning on the earth, NOT "over" the earth.
Revelation 5:10
καὶ (and) ἐποίησας (You have made) αὐτοὺς (them) τῷ (to the) Θεῷ (God) ἡμῶν (of us),
βασιλείαν (a kingdom) καὶ (and) ἱερεῖς (priests);
καὶ (and) βασιλεύσουσιν (they will reign)a ἐπὶ (upon) τῆς (the) γῆς (earth).”
WHO IS OVER ALL? Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. GOD and FATHER is OVER/ABOVE ALL and that "All" includes the SON so they are NOT EQUAL
THE BIBLE teaches that Jesus was MADE As Lord and Christ and as Son (ACTS 2:36, Prov 8, HEB 1:5), CREATED/PRODUCED/INSTALLED (Prov 8) , COME INTO BEING/MADE (Mat 21:42 - egeneto) and GIVEN LIFE by the Father - John 5:26 and it uses TODAY (Heb 1:5), and uses future tenses and is a prophecy in Isa 9:6 (Isa 9:6, - WILL BE) . If you are called MADE AND CREATED AND GIVEN LIFE, and NEVER CALLED in the BIBLE as Creator or Maker , then you are A CREATION. ALL FROM THE BIBLE
From the Lord was this (this is referring to the chief cornerstone who is Jesus) , the word WAS is egeneto (made or came into being) - Matthew 21:42 and the exact Greek word used in John 1:3 - MADE, egeneto (came into being) - JESUS WAS MADE/CAME INTO BEING FROM THE FATHER , yes, Jesus was MADE/CREATED!, See also Acts 2:36, Heb 1:5, 1 john 5
Isa 9:6 the word Prince in the Prince of Peace means PATRON ANGEL also Leader. WHO IS the ONE LEADER that we have? Jesus. Now, that same exact Hebrew word was used for Daniel 12:1 which is used for Michael the Archangel. So are you saying there are MANY LEADERS now?
Mr 1914. In your first three sentences you have well over one hundred words and about 9 Bible references. Take a deep breath and give me your best reference that one could determine that Jesus is a created being. (p.s. I know this is off topic but was wondering why you would use the Watchtower false prophecy date of 1914 as your RUclips identifier?.... don't worry we won't go after any rabbits just wondering???)
@@jerrybenson I already posted what the Bible says about Jesus, HE WAS GIVEN LIFE, HE WAS called MADE, and COME INTO BEING and NEVER called CREATOR OR MAKER but included himself in WORSIPPING GOD. GOD does not worship himself and GOD is NEVER described as MADE AND COME INTO BEING
@@Mr.DC3.1914 Take a deep breath. Let me help you a little. So I ask again, give me a verse we can carefully examine that is clear that Jesus is a created being. Here is an example that Jesus is the CREATOR and that He is God. John 1:1 says that the Word (Jesus) was with God and that He is God. The next few verses follow that Jesus is the creator. Certainly you have a verse where we could clearly see that Jesus is a created being, Michael the Arch Angel. P.S.
@@jerrybenson John 1:1 DOES NOT say CREATOR. so pls stop twisting
@@jerrybenson Prov 8 this Wisdom who is actually Jesus is called CREATED/PRODUCED and this Wisdom is a Master. Who is our Master? Jesus. 1 Cor 1:24 Jesus is the WISDOM OF GOD