@@incypheyou're right but if they're going to fire you they'll still fire you but they can't disclose all that information to your next employer so you're safe. Well here in the US
I am working from home 3 years now. I usually keep RUclips on my secondary screen and play music or non distracting videos all the time. And it actually helps me from getting bored at work and falling sleepy.
And thats great but a crazy manager will use this to control you and squeeze more work out of you. In my 8 years in corporate i found i had to slow down and extend my work otherwise i would be stuck with more work.
Exactly this! And they brought any of this up I would say okay show me yours and let's compare. Also I want to ask did I not do everything that I needed to be done and on time?
Give employees a minimum required workload to complete, and allow them whatever means necessary to complete it. That is how you build a successful team. You cannot treat a human employee like a robot.
That's also not all that great. It's hard to estimate beforehand how long something should take. At the end, the minimum workload is bigger than what can be archived within a productive work day. Then people have to work overtime to meet those arbitrary minima.
I love how it's like don't you dare do anything for yourself during work hours....but also work overtime (unpaid cause your salaried) on your own time to get your projects done.
>.but also work overtime (unpaid cause your salaried) on your own time to get your projects done. That's not true, in your "free" time you can do unpaid 24/7 on-call for a company, because you're a full time employee. And don't you dare to try and get some extra projects on the side to make more money.
After I started my first job, I was so motivated to create value for my company, to work with my team on projects and just solve all challenges to make progress towards our company goals. I was healthy, motivated and productive. But slowly, having to work 8 hours EACH FREAKING DAY, I became unhealthy, unmotivated and unproductive. Instead of asking myself what can I do next to create value for my company and my team, I was asking myself how can I spend the next 8 hours of working time to not get completly exhausted so I can at least go to the gym or do Something with my friends after work instead of just falling over into bed. I fully understand people that have to work full time why they are putting up a productivity theater because anything else is unsustainable and unfullfilling.
Yes 8 hours is too much. The ideal is 2x 90 min blocks of high intensity and focused, uninterrupted work, a couple of meetings, some time for admin stuff and then you're done.
@@bloobabblein some work places 8 hours is really hard, it depends on the type of work you doing. Yes there are people qorking more and that is hard too but doing 36 or 48 hour shift doesn't diminished how hard 8 hours could be on some workplaces. Specially if ir is a highly cognitive and emotionally intensive job.
@bloobabble So you didn’t listen to any of the replies. Ok, go take a nap grandpa. You clearly don’t understand what the modern work environment is like.
@@GungaLaGunga yes that's is fine. Use company equipment for COMPANY work but use your personal equipment for your personal work. On my company phone and computer I don't even buy airline tickets or do any personal work
Exactly. I do everything personal on my phone. I don’t do personal stuff on the work pc. I have to go in to work everyday. I have been using my iPhone for personal stuff for years. I never log into FB, Twitter or RUclips on the work pc. No social media on work pc.
@@K4R3N it’s like you didn’t read what was said above… he said he quit because they wanted him to use his own devices for work and monitor them. Please read before just mindlessly responding, it’s giving bot 🤖
This is why I do all my web surfing on my PC that's setup next to my work laptop. Also, shame on the businesses that create employee spying software in the first place! Trust is a two-way street, so employers who operate from bad faith from the get-go can expect their employees to do the same to them.
because, instead of doing the hard work and coming up with a vision so strong that it could make everyone care and motivated to make the company better. they just come up with lazy way out like monitoring every movement of their employees this is a tool used by mediocre people in attempt to control someone, because they're too incompetent to be able to inspire their employees directly.
As a Sr Director for a biotech I encourage my employees to have a work life balance. They know what our mission is and what needs to get done and when and how. The rest is up to them. I am happy when they mix up their day with personal time and relax. This creates a happy employee I can have on my team for years.
The way I see it, if I hire an adult, I’m going to treat them like an adult. If you’re a competent manager you know who your effective employees are. I’m not babysitting these people. We’re here to work and get a job done. Sure, every so often you’ll get one who takes advantage of the situation but again, it’s obvious who it is and in my experience, talking to them and showing them the results of their performance has generally been enough to help them want to move forward on their own. I think humans naturally want to be at least somewhat productive and make a difference and many I’ve dealt with are willing to work hard to help the person next to them. If your company uses this stuff then it’s obvious you don’t trust the people you hire, so maybe get some new hiring managers? Or a better culture?
Exactly this! Our company is 100% remote. There *is no office* But the team leaders (there are no “managers” - they all contribute code, code reviews and customer support) know how the software suite is progressing. We all know how our products are progressing. Companies who measure mouse clicks and keyboard activity are wasting money. They are recruiting badly and have lazy and incompetent managers.
In one of the previous companies I worked a COO had the audacity to call a teams meeting from the hairdresser and complain about the lack of productivity when their billable hours were spent spent on vacations and poolside
Employees should be judged by performance on deadlines not active time. A company does not profit on active time but what is produced during that time.
I wish it was but I have to be busy for 8 hours and help my coworkers who never get their own stuff done. I don't get a bonus or anything different for pay... we will all get the same raise at the end of the year even though I could be doing work for 1.5 people every day.
Two things: 1. Always assume everything you do on your work computer is being monitored 2. I don’t see the point in this software. Employees either deliver value or they don’t. If they don’t, then they aren’t productive. Is monitoring their every move necessary?
@@yark618 Not fully applicable these days, but the concept of "wage slavery" was actually an argument the South made for the preservation of Slavery-- i.e. that the conditions of wage slavery at the time in the North were more brutal on the slaves since in wage slavery you just "rented" rather than "Owned" your slaves. If you own something you will want to take care of it and not "wear and tear" them like adam smith articulated.
My boss and managers would sit in their office all day pretending to have important meetings. The employees started eavesdropping. Turns out all they talk about is golf and Joe Rogan. 🙄🤡 Suffice it to say they were not inspirational company leaders. Three of us quit soon after.
I'm working right now, and I'm on youtube, I was watching a video that help me to solve a problem that no one on my team had solved yet. Deal with that, manager.
That aids productivity though. RUclips also has many Educational channels…I assume the workers they’re worried about are watching cat and gaming videos
I’ll usually have RUclips open and playing in the background. Usually via listening to either music, some type of interview, or Mr Ballen. No different than having Spotify open. I actually left my last employer bc they got super strict with the time cards. It had to be at this exact time and then punch out at this exact time. I was like, I’m an adult. I hate being micromanaged. Last time I did stuff like that was in high school. Just make me salary if it’s that important.
A former employer when I worked for them, pretty much had to trust their field staff. With technology, they were then able to monitor them more closely to ensure their field crew were not slacking. What actually happened is that most of the technicians were highly motivated and had been often working through lunch, inhaling a sandwich between field calls when extremely busy. With monitoring, they had to take their full lunch hour since the company didn't want to pay the overtime. End result was the company actually got less from their employees.
As a salary employee why does time even matter? I thought the difference from being an hourly employee is time is no longer relevant but the results of your output regardless of how long it takes!
Your boss only believes that time doesn’t matter if they’re the ones stealing from you. It’s perfectly fine to work 75 hours a week without overtime, time doesn’t matter here!
Having a big building for a business of office work costs a lot of monsy. Give a little of those savings to your employees and let them get tasks done at home. So long as the work gets done, why be micro managing?
What makes you think there is gonna be any difference working from home. From what I can tell , you tube watching will be 90% increase from you while working from home. judging by your work etchics
Oh, I got some things to say about this. 1. No human being can work that long unless they truly enjoy what they are doing and chances are people are working at your company because it pays well enough for them to care to show up every day to not die. 2. The software can be considered an invasion of privacy in someone's home if it's not written somewhere in the contract permitting it. 3. Following point 1, there's only so much work that needs to be done every week and it's because of that the model of work needs to change where as long as the work gets done, it doesn't matter what the employee does with their time. That's called micromanagement and you have terrible leadership. 4. As we progress into a WFH future, companies that keep trying to control people like this will find themselves having a much more difficult time getting employees for consideration in growing their business simply because the competition will give them more of what they want thus increasing productivity thus increasing revenue, everyone goes home happy.
Employee monitoring software isn't a new thing. It's been around for several years now. 8:20 No, I didn't skip over the provision on employee monitoring. I am fully aware. It's just that if I refuse to work for any company that monitors IT activity, I won't be able to practically find work. We need a collective power to change this. Why is RUclips considered unproductive? I might need to view RUclips tutorial videos on my lab equipment for example. Why is inactivity considered unproductive? What if I need to think?
I like the idea of collecting data to improve X, Y, Z things but not to spy on workers. Like, maybe the worker does something bad, because they have not slept well those days, or maybe they were hungry or the managers are too strict and so on. Thanks for the video!
Once I was instructed to install all systems with monitoring software in a company. The software took screenshots every 30 secs and my next task was to analyse those images with some ML modelling. I quit within a week. I was horrified seeing so many personal things/secrets of employees, including but not limited to explicit contents
I've been working for 28 years, and I am just over it. I really want out. I worked my butt off at every job I have ever had, even now as WFH, I just want out. I don't need a billion dollars, it's all becoming too much :(
Working your butt off is not how you make a billion dollars. Working hard is how you live paycheck to paycheck. The only way to get ahead is to stop contributing, lose all empathy for human life, and hoard the profits made from other people’s work.
I use to watch RUclips for hours everyday at my job. I was learning how to use video editing software to edit instructional manual for online use, for our customers. My supervisor loved I was doing this, it saved them thousands of dollars not having to send me to learn the software offsite. Or hire a editor at twice my salary.
I have been doing this since 2011 When I was a intern. Now - I still do it, and I am a people manager. Why would anyone care ? If this work is completed on time & promptly. Who cares. Anything else is micromanaging and that seldomly lasts.
One huge issue is the judgement from management. Sure, it seems like there’s downtime in between tasks, that could be important to track so that LEAN teams can tighten processes, and management can get an idea of how much additional work can be added to fill in that space, or how much time is really needed for a project so they can better account for cost. But the judgement should be dropped if the work is getting done. It’s not the employee’s fault that management gave more time than what the employee technically needs. Furthermore, what’s the end result here? Zero downtime? That sounds like the key ingredient for burnout and employee disgruntlement. People need to be people sometimes, and team rapport is helpful. If you burn out your workers then there will be more mistakes made. If your employees cannot establish friendships with each other then you’ll lose the spark of humanity in your work.
I'm completely against this kind of tracking and anti-privacy things that are done for robots, not humans. I rejected jobs and some hiring team and HR argued and tried to justify this. I said if you need to track me then you don't want me to work and if you want work then you don't need to track, you will get your project done. I have my day-to-day tasks and I complete them and if I miss something, it is given a red mark and why I missed it. So, you see that you don't use some human-managed-robot-controlled-human-tracking software to get work done. A little bit of to-do, a deep work time, and get your things done. Also, I request others reading this to do work for such companies or teams. Be clear if you are a working person, not a time-pass person where work is suffering and targets are being missed. And most of the time, managers are not working and they are actually not being tracked by the main team behind that company.
to me all that matters is "is the employee meeting production standards and quality standard" if the the answer to both of those two questions is yes then why does it matter. No matter how old you are you still have a limited attention span. It is ridiculous to think that a person is going to be able to sit and work consistently for 8 hours and its equally ridiculous for employers to think that they have the right to watch you on camera while you are on the clock. If you got other stuff you need to do just make sure you do it on your personal computer. Never use company computers for personal business.
Same... what happens when your job is social media? 100% NOT productive according to the software monitoring requirements. Or maybe they are watching a tutorial on "How-to" LOL.. which adds value to the employee and the job. Like how to craft an email to someone you don't like. HA! All jokes aside, if you can't trust your workers to work efficiently then it would seem that you are a poor manager since you have a lot of time to monitor other ppl's work habits instead of doing actual work.
I play RUclips in the background while I work a lot just because it helps me focus on long repetitive tasks by giving my brain something enjoyable. I have adhd so sticking through with longer tasks is pretty hard. I also will tend to break up larger tasks into 20 min chunks and take a short break. That actually makes me more productive than suffering through it for hours. They don’t get that it makes someone like me more productive. At work they blocked any entertainment RUclips videos from our network so I listen from my phone. It’s silly.
Same, I'm a Software Engineer. If any company I work for starts bringing up these sort of "statistics" it's a major red flag. I'll just quit the job and go to another company.
This perpetuates mistrust more than anything else. It also explains how much "wasted time" bosses spend spying on their workers. Loyalty and trust are gone. This just adds fuel to the fire.
I would rather live and die in squalor than be surveilled like this for a 60k a year job helping some lazy family with generational weatlth get more money.
Has anyone ever thought that employees need to surf the web because there is no more “water cooler talk”? If you’re remote you don’t have the office social interactions. I thought the big goal was to make sure the work is done & done correctly. RUclips is great for music & podcasts, just the background noise that we’re used to having.
Being monitored to smile is so crazy to me. Staff would be happy naturally if you pay them more, recognize their hard work, and are flexible to their needs and scheduling. Every person can have tough days, it shouldn't be a crime to not smile. I think relentless happiness is terrible
It's not bean bags, free food, or a nice office that makes people stay. Workers just want to feel trusted that they will get the job done whichever way they work and be treated like actual adults.
I wasn’t micromanaged to this extent, but I do find that my company is trying to force me to be “visible” by not being able to go into private conference rooms, using a monitor (I never connect to mine even though they forced me to get one), and one manager used to randomly message me on IM and check how long I’d been idle. My current manager says as long as I get my work done she doesn’t care, but the policies at my job don’t show trust in employees at all.
Government should make it's illegal for employees to stealthily collect and monitor your data that is not directly related to the work. And we should shame those micro-managing leaders (through social media and glassdoor, perhaps?)
Laptops are not that expensive anymore…. And we have phones as well… I keep 2 laptops open when I remote work.. one is pure work, the one next to it is for my freelance side gig .. and my TV is on where I watch Netflix/RUclips.. and my phone is there for all personal browsing.. just have a plan guys
I am an employer and I don’t want to track my employees. I use simple KPI (key performance indicators) directly related to their tasks to see how productive they are and reward them for it.
Well I work from home and trust me I’m working !! I have work that has to done by the end of the week. You should be using your cell phone if you want to visiting other sites.
This doesn't happen with just remote workers, I have seen coworkers looking at RUclips and other websites while working in the office on company time. It's up to the Supervisor to ensure that office employees are doing there work! With remote workers, if an employee doesn't have paperwork done then the Supervisor needs to have a meeting to find out why and discuss this issue.
Setting aside the ethical and social implications, screenshots every 5 minutes? And everything being recorded including calls and keystrokes? These bossware companies need just 1 dataleak for A LOT of very confidential information to be leaked. At least normally individual apps would need to all have data leaks to for a lot of information to leak but with the amount of data this software collects you just need 1 leak for a cataclysmic leak of information.
LOL! Yeah I've done that. I had my own cubicle when I was working an engineering job a few years ago. Thing is the engineering manager was doing it too.😁 Sometimes he would come into my cubicle and show me a funny video he found. I kind of miss that job.
You don't really "work" 8 hours a day. You do two blocks of 90 min high-focused work that equals to 3 hours. You use the other hours to get ready for those 2 90-min blocks and blow steam off.
Always put a tape on the laptop camera, work because there may be logs of everything you do and see yt on your phone just use laptop for work related stuff
Whenever you are on a company computer, it should be expected anything you do on it is saved and their digital property. Use your personal laptop, tablet, or phone instead.
Back in 2007 people used to go on myspace, facebook, and evite from their cubicles and the boss respected it as long as they got their work done. Wtf is this?
exactly. I'm not a tech person so I went over to our IT dept to ask for assistance with a hardware problem I was having. After a few minutes of not being able to figure it out, the IT person himself hopped on YT right in front of me in order to try and find a solution.
I had a coworker sleeping on the job right behind her manager. Then when Covid started, she was the first one out. Ding, went the elevator and she went home. Always came back about every 5 months. Always with a tan and always relaxed. I had other employees that ignored calls yet send me an email, “I saw you called.” Yeah, because I had a question and didn’t want to email it as it’s easier to call.
If everything you are assigned or asked to do is completed always with no complains, why do companies still care so much about what you are doing all day? 🙃
I don't think this goes far enough. For my 40k a year job, my employer should have the right to swap out my eye balls with proprietary technology that only allows me to see things related to my work and causes temporary blindness when I look at anything else. I think there needs to be cameras inside everyone's rectum to make sure they aren't using the bathroom too much during work hours. After all, do they really need to use the bathroom? Or are they just pretending?
the way that this is BEYOND unethical. our jobs can barely help us survive. if you want us to do our best, pay the best. and most of the time that's not the case
Living in Germany. So far our Workcouncil has declined my company for using any monitoring software. I am in Management, but I agree. We need to rethink a lot. People want a do-able job and still have enough energy for their actual life.
Without looking at the software, there is zero chance to install random software on my laptop from work. I am not an administrator for my machine Now if you happen to have local access to install random software, and it is actually owned by the company. I'd suggest relooking at your HR documentation and policy for breaches etc. Totally not worth it... Just work elsewhere if they are doing this or maybe that industry is not for you.
NOBODY works nonstop 8-12 hours per day. People work with mini breaks. They work 30 minutes to an hour then takes 5-10 minutes to compartmentalize the work already done before moving on to the next task. This is normal, if you want robot work, then get a robot.
If a manager cannot tell who is engaged and who is not by looking at their work then let’s get a new manager.
absolutely!
Most managers know without the software. The company is using it gather data and concrete evidence for leverage. That's all.
@@incypheyou're right but if they're going to fire you they'll still fire you but they can't disclose all that information to your next employer so you're safe. Well here in the US
And fire them all, replace with ChatGPT!
Once again the comments solve the entire problem.
I am working from home 3 years now. I usually keep RUclips on my secondary screen and play music or non distracting videos all the time. And it actually helps me from getting bored at work and falling sleepy.
Now u will be marked as unproductive employee being active on RUclips. 😂
Sounds like your job isn't that engaging
Same. Lofi music
@@MrMountain707 it depends for me. There are downtimes where I’m mostly just doing administrative tasks once my project went live.
And thats great but a crazy manager will use this to control you and squeeze more work out of you. In my 8 years in corporate i found i had to slow down and extend my work otherwise i would be stuck with more work.
The only thing workers should be evaluated on is the result of their work, everything else doesn't matter. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense
Agree!!!
The big corporate disagree
Exactly this! And they brought any of this up I would say okay show me yours and let's compare. Also I want to ask did I not do everything that I needed to be done and on time?
If they find that you can produce more, they want it, wonder of the forever growing companies
@@freddyromariovasquezcairo2250 we cannot produce more. We are looking at RUclips to rest our brain
Give employees a minimum required workload to complete, and allow them whatever means necessary to complete it. That is how you build a successful team. You cannot treat a human employee like a robot.
That's also not all that great.
It's hard to estimate beforehand how long something should take. At the end, the minimum workload is bigger than what can be archived within a productive work day.
Then people have to work overtime to meet those arbitrary minima.
Unfortunately, that’s their end-goal to replace us with robots.
I love how it's like don't you dare do anything for yourself during work hours....but also work overtime (unpaid cause your salaried) on your own time to get your projects done.
THIS!
Yes! Exactly
Exactly. Even if I was up all night working on something, I’ll get called out if I leave work early the next day.
>.but also work overtime (unpaid cause your salaried) on your own time to get your projects done.
That's not true, in your "free" time you can do unpaid 24/7 on-call for a company, because you're a full time employee. And don't you dare to try and get some extra projects on the side to make more money.
Exactly! 💯
After I started my first job, I was so motivated to create value for my company, to work with my team on projects and just solve all challenges to make progress towards our company goals. I was healthy, motivated and productive. But slowly, having to work 8 hours EACH FREAKING DAY, I became unhealthy, unmotivated and unproductive. Instead of asking myself what can I do next to create value for my company and my team, I was asking myself how can I spend the next 8 hours of working time to not get completly exhausted so I can at least go to the gym or do Something with my friends after work instead of just falling over into bed.
I fully understand people that have to work full time why they are putting up a productivity theater because anything else is unsustainable and unfullfilling.
Yes 8 hours is too much. The ideal is 2x 90 min blocks of high intensity and focused, uninterrupted work, a couple of meetings, some time for admin stuff and then you're done.
I'm doing 12 hours a day wages needs to increase with cost of living honestly
@@bloobabblein some work places 8 hours is really hard, it depends on the type of work you doing. Yes there are people qorking more and that is hard too but doing 36 or 48 hour shift doesn't diminished how hard 8 hours could be on some workplaces. Specially if ir is a highly cognitive and emotionally intensive job.
@bloobabble So you didn’t listen to any of the replies. Ok, go take a nap grandpa. You clearly don’t understand what the modern work environment is like.
What???? 😂😂😂 Lord these Gen Z's and Millenials are soft AF
Do your personal tasks on your PHONE. Never on the company equipment
Many companies make empoyees use their own phone and computer. Mine tried. I QUIT.
@@GungaLaGunga yes that's is fine. Use company equipment for COMPANY work but use your personal equipment for your personal work. On my company phone and computer I don't even buy airline tickets or do any personal work
Exactly. I do everything personal on my phone. I don’t do personal stuff on the work pc.
I have to go in to work everyday. I have been using my iPhone for personal stuff for years.
I never log into FB, Twitter or RUclips on the work pc. No social media on work pc.
@@K4R3N it’s like you didn’t read what was said above… he said he quit because they wanted him to use his own devices for work and monitor them. Please read before just mindlessly responding, it’s giving bot 🤖
@LeahAnn Lafemmebear Music Mitchell he means you use your phone on the side of your monitor for RUclips or whatever you want to be sneaky about.
This is why I do all my web surfing on my PC that's setup next to my work laptop. Also, shame on the businesses that create employee spying software in the first place! Trust is a two-way street, so employers who operate from bad faith from the get-go can expect their employees to do the same to them.
because, instead of doing the hard work and coming up with a vision so strong that it could make everyone care and
motivated to make the company better.
they just come up with lazy way out like monitoring every movement of their employees
this is a tool used by mediocre people in attempt to control someone,
because they're too incompetent to be able to inspire their employees directly.
You don't understand human behavior at all!
As a Sr Director for a biotech I encourage my employees to have a work life balance. They know what our mission is and what needs to get done and when and how. The rest is up to them. I am happy when they mix up their day with personal time and relax. This creates a happy employee I can have on my team for years.
You get it !!!
The way I see it, if I hire an adult, I’m going to treat them like an adult. If you’re a competent manager you know who your effective employees are. I’m not babysitting these people. We’re here to work and get a job done. Sure, every so often you’ll get one who takes advantage of the situation but again, it’s obvious who it is and in my experience, talking to them and showing them the results of their performance has generally been enough to help them want to move forward on their own. I think humans naturally want to be at least somewhat productive and make a difference and many I’ve dealt with are willing to work hard to help the person next to them. If your company uses this stuff then it’s obvious you don’t trust the people you hire, so maybe get some new hiring managers? Or a better culture?
Are you hiring? Lol
Even a culture of bacteria is better than a culture of micromanaging
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Exactly this!
Our company is 100% remote. There *is no office*
But the team leaders (there are no “managers” - they all contribute code, code reviews and customer support) know how the software suite is progressing.
We all know how our products are progressing.
Companies who measure mouse clicks and keyboard activity are wasting money. They are recruiting badly and have lazy and incompetent managers.
Meanwhile the boss is on his 3rd martini at the post golfing lunch, charging his time to the company account 😂
In one of the previous companies I worked a COO had the audacity to call a teams meeting from the hairdresser and complain about the lack of productivity when their billable hours were spent spent on vacations and poolside
Employees should be judged by performance on deadlines not active time. A company does not profit on active time but what is produced during that time.
Exactly. Do you want someone to work really slowly to fill time?
You'll be the first to fail. What's you're saying is virtue signalling not the reality.
@@JanKowalski-vj9py It is harder to fail when the value you bring to the table is significant.
I wish it was but I have to be busy for 8 hours and help my coworkers who never get their own stuff done. I don't get a bonus or anything different for pay... we will all get the same raise at the end of the year even though I could be doing work for 1.5 people every day.
Two things:
1. Always assume everything you do on your work computer is being monitored
2. I don’t see the point in this software. Employees either deliver value or they don’t. If they don’t, then they aren’t productive. Is monitoring their every move necessary?
That's so damn terrible. No privacy at all. We are employees not slaves 😅😅
Working for money is literally slavery.
Not in America lol.
It’s called wage slavery
Even more reason to Unionize tbh 🤷🏾
@@yark618 Not fully applicable these days, but the concept of "wage slavery" was actually an argument the South made for the preservation of Slavery-- i.e. that the conditions of wage slavery at the time in the North were more brutal on the slaves since in wage slavery you just "rented" rather than "Owned" your slaves. If you own something you will want to take care of it and not "wear and tear" them like adam smith articulated.
Watching this at work 😂
Same! haha
Me too
Same!!!
Same lunch time
what a coincidence
I would love to install all these surveillance technology into the board and executive room as well
My boss and managers would sit in their office all day pretending to have important meetings. The employees started eavesdropping. Turns out all they talk about is golf and Joe Rogan. 🙄🤡 Suffice it to say they were not inspirational company leaders. Three of us quit soon after.
"Employee monitoring software" , where's the CEO monitoring software at?
Who’s monitoring the bonus budget?
woah woah woah
upper brass says "Rules are for thee, not for me!"
I love the idea of using an oscillating fan to move the mouse back and forth 😂
😂😂That's actually very smart lol
Reminds me of the dipping duck toy in the Simpsons.
But then they could use AI to tell if the movement comes from a human or not.
@@MrEnzohn: “You spoiled the fun.” 😂😂
I'm working right now, and I'm on youtube, I was watching a video that help me to solve a problem that no one on my team had solved yet.
Deal with that, manager.
That aids productivity though. RUclips also has many Educational channels…I assume the workers they’re worried about are watching cat and gaming videos
I listen to podcast or music while I code at work on my work laptop on RUclips. People do listen to things while working entire time.
@CosmicHarmony58 not cats 😅😂
RUclips is on my iPad. I don’t do any personal stuff on work devices.
We’re humans. Not robots.
I’ll usually have RUclips open and playing in the background. Usually via listening to either music, some type of interview, or Mr Ballen. No different than having Spotify open.
I actually left my last employer bc they got super strict with the time cards. It had to be at this exact time and then punch out at this exact time. I was like, I’m an adult. I hate being micromanaged. Last time I did stuff like that was in high school. Just make me salary if it’s that important.
This is why I use my private devices to listen to podcasts, watch YT and never company devices.
A former employer when I worked for them, pretty much had to trust their field staff. With technology, they were then able to monitor them more closely to ensure their field crew were not slacking. What actually happened is that most of the technicians were highly motivated and had been often working through lunch, inhaling a sandwich between field calls when extremely busy. With monitoring, they had to take their full lunch hour since the company didn't want to pay the overtime. End result was the company actually got less from their employees.
This is funny and sad at the same time.
If that happens where I work, I will be greatly pleased
I am absolutely confident that this will led employees to resign from work and look for another company where they are not spayed!!😮😮
As a salary employee why does time even matter? I thought the difference from being an hourly employee is time is no longer relevant but the results of your output regardless of how long it takes!
Your boss only believes that time doesn’t matter if they’re the ones stealing from you. It’s perfectly fine to work 75 hours a week without overtime, time doesn’t matter here!
If your employees work from home, you're also saving on infrastructure. Many people working from their own computers too
Having a big building for a business of office work costs a lot of monsy. Give a little of those savings to your employees and let them get tasks done at home. So long as the work gets done, why be micro managing?
My work at the office is usually 30% of actual work at 70% of watching RUclips.
What makes you think there is gonna be any difference working from home. From what I can tell , you tube watching will be 90% increase from you while working from home. judging by your work etchics
What’s your job
Bet!
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If a company does this people need to complain and quit massively because this is inhumane and its the only way to stop it.
Oh, I got some things to say about this.
1. No human being can work that long unless they truly enjoy what they are doing and chances are people are working at your company because it pays well enough for them to care to show up every day to not die.
2. The software can be considered an invasion of privacy in someone's home if it's not written somewhere in the contract permitting it.
3. Following point 1, there's only so much work that needs to be done every week and it's because of that the model of work needs to change where as long as the work gets done, it doesn't matter what the employee does with their time. That's called micromanagement and you have terrible leadership.
4. As we progress into a WFH future, companies that keep trying to control people like this will find themselves having a much more difficult time getting employees for consideration in growing their business simply because the competition will give them more of what they want thus increasing productivity thus increasing revenue, everyone goes home happy.
Employee monitoring software isn't a new thing. It's been around for several years now. 8:20 No, I didn't skip over the provision on employee monitoring. I am fully aware. It's just that if I refuse to work for any company that monitors IT activity, I won't be able to practically find work. We need a collective power to change this.
Why is RUclips considered unproductive? I might need to view RUclips tutorial videos on my lab equipment for example. Why is inactivity considered unproductive? What if I need to think?
I like the idea of collecting data to improve X, Y, Z things but not to spy on workers.
Like, maybe the worker does something bad, because they have not slept well those days, or maybe they were hungry or the managers are too strict and so on.
Thanks for the video!
Once I was instructed to install all systems with monitoring software in a company. The software took screenshots every 30 secs and my next task was to analyse those images with some ML modelling. I quit within a week. I was horrified seeing so many personal things/secrets of employees, including but not limited to explicit contents
To be fair, I draw the line at watching/reading p0rn at work. If anyone is stupid enough to do that on a company computer you deserve to be caught.
@@milkflavored it’s their explicit content
@@milkflavored doesnt matter what you do even if it is some degen stuff, they have no right to spy on you.
Nah watching graphic stuff on company time is just unprofessional.
It’s idiotic to look at explicit content on a work system.
I've been working for 28 years, and I am just over it. I really want out. I worked my butt off at every job I have ever had, even now as WFH, I just want out. I don't need a billion dollars, it's all becoming too much :(
Same here. Realized too late that all my years of working like a slave was useless. Waste of time😢
Working your butt off is not how you make a billion dollars. Working hard is how you live paycheck to paycheck. The only way to get ahead is to stop contributing, lose all empathy for human life, and hoard the profits made from other people’s work.
I use to watch RUclips for hours everyday at my job. I was learning how to use video editing software to edit instructional manual for online use, for our customers. My supervisor loved I was doing this, it saved them thousands of dollars not having to send me to learn the software offsite. Or hire a editor at twice my salary.
I have been doing this since 2011 When I was a intern. Now - I still do it, and I am a people manager. Why would anyone care ? If this work is completed on time & promptly. Who cares. Anything else is micromanaging and that seldomly lasts.
I believe more in productivity based on results more than just ticking boxes using a stupid software.
One huge issue is the judgement from management. Sure, it seems like there’s downtime in between tasks, that could be important to track so that LEAN teams can tighten processes, and management can get an idea of how much additional work can be added to fill in that space, or how much time is really needed for a project so they can better account for cost. But the judgement should be dropped if the work is getting done. It’s not the employee’s fault that management gave more time than what the employee technically needs.
Furthermore, what’s the end result here? Zero downtime? That sounds like the key ingredient for burnout and employee disgruntlement. People need to be people sometimes, and team rapport is helpful. If you burn out your workers then there will be more mistakes made. If your employees cannot establish friendships with each other then you’ll lose the spark of humanity in your work.
And yet.....they don't see how unhappy employees are for the pay they get so they continually lose workers 😂😂
The trick is to have a second computer for watching RUclips or whatever. Who looks for a new job on their current job's computer?
we need more people who build houses, electrical, plumbing, and fewer people on computers doing jobs that require monitoring for youtube and twitter
I'm completely against this kind of tracking and anti-privacy things that are done for robots, not humans. I rejected jobs and some hiring team and HR argued and tried to justify this. I said if you need to track me then you don't want me to work and if you want work then you don't need to track, you will get your project done. I have my day-to-day tasks and I complete them and if I miss something, it is given a red mark and why I missed it. So, you see that you don't use some human-managed-robot-controlled-human-tracking software to get work done. A little bit of to-do, a deep work time, and get your things done. Also, I request others reading this to do work for such companies or teams. Be clear if you are a working person, not a time-pass person where work is suffering and targets are being missed. And most of the time, managers are not working and they are actually not being tracked by the main team behind that company.
to me all that matters is "is the employee meeting production standards and quality standard" if the the answer to both of those two questions is yes then why does it matter. No matter how old you are you still have a limited attention span. It is ridiculous to think that a person is going to be able to sit and work consistently for 8 hours and its equally ridiculous for employers to think that they have the right to watch you on camera while you are on the clock.
If you got other stuff you need to do just make sure you do it on your personal computer. Never use company computers for personal business.
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I have to watch RUclips videos all the time to do my tech work, so I don't see how watching RUclips during work hours is a bad thing.
Same... what happens when your job is social media? 100% NOT productive according to the software monitoring requirements. Or maybe they are watching a tutorial on "How-to" LOL.. which adds value to the employee and the job. Like how to craft an email to someone you don't like. HA! All jokes aside, if you can't trust your workers to work efficiently then it would seem that you are a poor manager since you have a lot of time to monitor other ppl's work habits instead of doing actual work.
I play RUclips in the background while I work a lot just because it helps me focus on long repetitive tasks by giving my brain something enjoyable. I have adhd so sticking through with longer tasks is pretty hard. I also will tend to break up larger tasks into 20 min chunks and take a short break. That actually makes me more productive than suffering through it for hours.
They don’t get that it makes someone like me more productive. At work they blocked any entertainment RUclips videos from our network so I listen from my phone. It’s silly.
Same, I'm a Software Engineer. If any company I work for starts bringing up these sort of "statistics" it's a major red flag. I'll just quit the job and go to another company.
If your employer says it is bad, it is bad. It is their way or the highway.
Micro managing to the extreme
This perpetuates mistrust more than anything else. It also explains how much "wasted time" bosses spend spying on their workers.
Loyalty and trust are gone. This just adds fuel to the fire.
Just monitor the output to ensure productivity. Hire and retain honest and productive workers.
I don’t care how a staff gets to a deadline so long as they meet it. I have zero temptation to distract myself when I have a big project to do.
I would rather live and die in squalor than be surveilled like this for a 60k a year job helping some lazy family with generational weatlth get more money.
Has anyone ever thought that employees need to surf the web because there is no more “water cooler talk”? If you’re remote you don’t have the office social interactions. I thought the big goal was to make sure the work is done & done correctly.
RUclips is great for music & podcasts, just the background noise that we’re used to having.
Hire a guy for 400 dollars a month and tell him to keep moving the mouse for 40 hours a week 😂
They have devices that can do that now.
it's totally scary, you lost your privacy, Jesus, you're naked in your office!
If you want to combat this, start plugging in flashdrives you found in the parking lot into your managers computer.
7:07 she is right 100%!
Bossware... this is too bad.
Go ahead and track me. I'm still gonna watch RUclips or try to listen to my music. Lol.
Can we monitor the ceo?
No wonder people are no longer want to work in the office
Yeah, because they can’t slack off! Us essential employees figured that one out the first week, lol! 😂
I am too busy eating cheese to be working.
Keep at is grrg
My manager and I work and watch RUclips everyday. What a wonderful world we live in!😊
I’m not watching youtube…I’m just listening 😀
If managers is working from home and employee are told to come into work, that’s managers fault for not engaging same effort.
Being monitored to smile is so crazy to me. Staff would be happy naturally if you pay them more, recognize their hard work, and are flexible to their needs and scheduling. Every person can have tough days, it shouldn't be a crime to not smile. I think relentless happiness is terrible
It's not bean bags, free food, or a nice office that makes people stay. Workers just want to feel trusted that they will get the job done whichever way they work and be treated like actual adults.
I wasn’t micromanaged to this extent, but I do find that my company is trying to force me to be “visible” by not being able to go into private conference rooms, using a monitor (I never connect to mine even though they forced me to get one), and one manager used to randomly message me on IM and check how long I’d been idle. My current manager says as long as I get my work done she doesn’t care, but the policies at my job don’t show trust in employees at all.
That's why you watch it on a separate computer or tablet 😂
LazyWork 😂
This guy is a genius!
Government should make it's illegal for employees to stealthily collect and monitor your data that is not directly related to the work. And we should shame those micro-managing leaders (through social media and glassdoor, perhaps?)
Laptops are not that expensive anymore…. And we have phones as well… I keep 2 laptops open when I remote work.. one is pure work, the one next to it is for my freelance side gig .. and my TV is on where I watch Netflix/RUclips.. and my phone is there for all personal browsing.. just have a plan guys
Me: Watching RUclips at work
RUclips:
Me: Watching RUclips at work nervously
I am an employer and I don’t want to track my employees. I use simple KPI (key performance indicators) directly related to their tasks to see how productive they are and reward them for it.
Can you give me an example of using KPI? What determines how productive they are and how can you track this?
Well I work from home and trust me I’m working !! I have work that has to done by the end of the week. You should be using your cell phone if you want to visiting other sites.
As a middle manager, I hope my wfh people are slacking off. The work is mind dulling, soul sappingly boring.
What if I'm using RUclips to look up coding stuff? 🧐
You have to use your Phone (that happened to me and the answers was you must have nothing to do because you are on yt)
It's not about engagement, it's about results. If companies understood that it would save a lot of time and money.
Employers: no cost is too high to eliminate perceived waste
This doesn't happen with just remote workers, I have seen coworkers looking at RUclips and other websites while working in the office on company time. It's up to the Supervisor to ensure that office employees are doing there work! With remote workers, if an employee doesn't have paperwork done then the Supervisor needs to have a meeting to find out why and discuss this issue.
Setting aside the ethical and social implications, screenshots every 5 minutes? And everything being recorded including calls and keystrokes? These bossware companies need just 1 dataleak for A LOT of very confidential information to be leaked. At least normally individual apps would need to all have data leaks to for a lot of information to leak but with the amount of data this software collects you just need 1 leak for a cataclysmic leak of information.
Windows with built-in "AI" and "screenshotting" your system every minute will arrive anyways.
If I find any company is watching me I will literally just quit on the spot.
Well i can multitask, I have audio running in background on RUclips to listen to music to help me focus on the task.
LOL! Yeah I've done that. I had my own cubicle when I was working an engineering job a few years ago. Thing is the engineering manager was doing it too.😁 Sometimes he would come into my cubicle and show me a funny video he found. I kind of miss that job.
I am a manager and I watch RUclips at work(from home). What you gonna do?
A boss gives a deadline and an employee meets it. That should be the end of it.
You don't really "work" 8 hours a day. You do two blocks of 90 min high-focused work that equals to 3 hours. You use the other hours to get ready for those 2 90-min blocks and blow steam off.
Always put a tape on the laptop camera, work because there may be logs of everything you do and see yt on your phone just use laptop for work related stuff
Whenever you are on a company computer, it should be expected anything you do on it is saved and their digital property. Use your personal laptop, tablet, or phone instead.
Back in 2007 people used to go on myspace, facebook, and evite from their cubicles and the boss respected it as long as they got their work done. Wtf is this?
YT has a lot of "how-to" that is sometimes required and a lot of professional related contents are better explained via videos.
exactly. I'm not a tech person so I went over to our IT dept to ask for assistance with a hardware problem I was having. After a few minutes of not being able to figure it out, the IT person himself hopped on YT right in front of me in order to try and find a solution.
I had a coworker sleeping on the job right behind her manager. Then when Covid started, she was the first one out. Ding, went the elevator and she went home. Always came back about every 5 months. Always with a tan and always relaxed. I had other employees that ignored calls yet send me an email, “I saw you called.” Yeah, because I had a question and didn’t want to email it as it’s easier to call.
It's not only about profits, but it's about Power and many manager's identifications with the anti-life deadness of bureaucracy.
If everything you are assigned or asked to do is completed always with no complains, why do companies still care so much about what you are doing all day? 🙃
Watch yt on your phone
I don't think this goes far enough. For my 40k a year job, my employer should have the right to swap out my eye balls with proprietary technology that only allows me to see things related to my work and causes temporary blindness when I look at anything else. I think there needs to be cameras inside everyone's rectum to make sure they aren't using the bathroom too much during work hours. After all, do they really need to use the bathroom? Or are they just pretending?
the way that this is BEYOND unethical.
our jobs can barely help us survive.
if you want us to do our best, pay the best. and most of the time that's not the case
Living in Germany. So far our Workcouncil has declined my company for using any monitoring software. I am in Management, but I agree. We need to rethink a lot. People want a do-able job and still have enough energy for their actual life.
I dont care if they know.
Depressing
*_Do your work and finish them ASAP, then use this guy's software for the remainder of the day. You're welcome._*
Without looking at the software, there is zero chance to install random software on my laptop from work. I am not an administrator for my machine
Now if you happen to have local access to install random software, and it is actually owned by the company. I'd suggest relooking at your HR documentation and policy for breaches etc. Totally not worth it...
Just work elsewhere if they are doing this or maybe that industry is not for you.
How the hell can cameras in the bathroom be legal anywhere?!
Silly Humans.
NOBODY works nonstop 8-12 hours per day. People work with mini breaks. They work 30 minutes to an hour then takes 5-10 minutes to compartmentalize the work already done before moving on to the next task. This is normal, if you want robot work, then get a robot.