The heliums are a fraction of the cost of the skeletors , and nearly the exact step, minus the angle of the skeltors. Disagree with the thethrd quality comments. After releasing a very light and expensive step earlier this season, they had to issue a recall. The May have skipped a step in their QC process. Disappointing considering how expensive their gear is. I’ve ran the 30 inch hawks with amsteel rope and anchor cleats for three years with only one issue, the retention system for stacking them for packing.
I wish someone would make a 30 inch stick like the heliums that are lighter bc with my full length helium and one step aider on each i hit 24 ft and I hate to sacrifice height for just a couple lbs.
Tethrd will replace those bent sections with a newer, strong and modified model of cleat. The newer sticks come with the new cleats. To tell if you have them, the bottom edge of the cleat that digs into the tree has been tapered (as has the top cleat) instead of a harsh 90 degree angle that won't allow them to give that 1/8" instead of bending.
Do you run into any issues with the Skeletor because the standoffs dont pivot? That's the only down fall I've seen in my research. I'm currently using the lone wolf sticks and the stand offs do pivot to conform to the tree. Thinking about making the switch.
What a great time to get started in saddle hunting. You veterans have blazed the trail. Y'all dealt with so many trials and errors and for you to log your experiences and give detailed reviews, it really does make it less expensive and easier to maneuver through all the options on the market. ..I feel like I'm sneaking into the woods on a path that's already been cut trimmed and raked... with the wind in my face and the staging area 16 yards ahead of me;)
Was using my Tethrd skeletors today, and I installed the sticks correctly, and noticed that one of the standoffs were bent and that they couldn’t pin back together.
I have been thinking about putting a 1/4-3/8 oz drop shot fishing weight into the end of the amsteel rope and securing with a whip finish on both ends of the weight. Adding a short piece of shrink tubing might help keep everything silent.
How was it on smooth bark trees? I run hawk Helium right now and on the smooth bark trees then tend to slide down the tree or kick out while climbing them
What's your thoughts on ah good light weight climber like the lone wolf hand climber/ summit open shot vs one of these light hang on stand with sticks in pa.?... There's not many branches on trees that get in the way of ah climber here in pa... So what do u think?. Do u think the hang on is ah more efficient way to go for ah guy wanting to get into the mobile run and gun style hunting here in pa? And if so, how much more efficient would u say it is. Or vise versa..
He's been doing a ton, maybe exclusively, hunting from a saddle these days. I liked this review though, it's got me wondering if I want to try climbing sticks and a hang on in the future. I use a lone wolf climber currently. The sit and climb, but it's not worlds different. I sometimes dread carrying it to the top of the mountain. Pretty bulky, and the longer it's on my back the heavier it feels. Number one complaint I have... Makes it hard to also carry a pack with cold weather gear, etc.
I switched to the Lone Wolf hand climber this year from a Big Game sit and climb. The LW is definitely lighter, easier to pack in and out, and no where near as loud or bulky. But, it's also much smaller to sit in and very little platform space for your feet. I'm 5'7, and for me it felt like this was a small as i could safely go. If you're any bigger, I'd suggest sticks and a saddle or hang on.
@@andrewvidal5325 what Andrew said about the hand climber platform is why I have the larger sit and climb. The first time you lean on your toes and realize they're already hanging off, it scares you straight.
I hunted exclusively out of a Gorilla or Ol Man climber for nearly 15 years. Then tried XOP hang on, then diy saddle, now a real manufactured one. I stuck with the saddle for a few reasons 1) bad lumbar discs with a climber suck 2) weight and bulk savings, I'm all on public land with big hikes, and 3) I like the feeling of being secured with a taught rope from ground to hunting height. Just my preferences.
As usual you are very concise. Plenty of information to obsorbe .. I was a a bit confused on your verbal description on seating the sticks there a the end...recording the slight bending of the fastener
Unrelated question. But if you had to choose between an Elite Option 6 or Impulse 34 which would you choose? I know you’ve been an Elite guy so I am curious on your thoughts. Thinking of picking one up of those up as a backup bow/3D setup
Impulse 34 all the way there. When I bought my first Elite is was a battle for the 34 or the E35. The E35 ended up winning and I've done a lot of great things with that bow. But I've always wanted an I34 in the arsenal.
@@flounderwetspot8524 Cool. I was at work so I didn’t see the email till about 10:00am. Ordered and got a confirmation email that said I’d get another email with shipping info. Didn’t say back ordered on the website or the order confirmation but I’m worried that’s what happen. Hopefully I’ll have them by next season.
@@flounderwetspot8524 looking forward to it! I emailed them and got response “we are shipping them as they become available”. Didn’t like that do to the horror stories I’ve heard about people still waiting on their one sticks. Emailed them again to verify I wasn’t on the back order. They said I was in the first 1000 ordered so guaranteed by Christmas. Here’s hoping 🤞🏻
I use a small gear tie to add weight to the end of my amsteel if I need to toss it around a bigger tree. Tie a small (loose) knot as a stopper, and pinch the gear tie around the rope above it. It works great!
Yes. Mishandling of the installation caused the bend in the cam cleat. Something I did not know was such a necessity as I said in the video. I have long legs, so 4 sticks and a little more to my platform get my up to 17' off the ground.
Thanks for the video, I’m switching over from a climber to this same set up and we’re really close on size. Really appreciate the info, I’m going for it! Thanks! ✌🏼
Catman beat you to it! 😄 The sticks look nice, like a more refined Helium stick. I've been running woven daisy chains and diy single aiders and that cleat system on these looks much easier. I like your point about being able to use 4 sticks without aiders for the same weight as 3 other sticks with aiders.
HUH !!!.......i want free stuff too !!! great video nate ....nick and i were actually talking about these the other day thanks for your as always honest opinion brother.....and dont get those gremlins wet they multiply then lol
Ordered a set Friday when they came online with them because early in the season I was standing on one of my other ones wondering why is this such a pain realizing I didn’t have enough foot room 👍
This might hurt your argument about the skeletor stick, but I have to thank you. I have an old pair of muddy sticks that are amazing except they are 3 pounds per stick. That's 12 pounds for the 3 with amateel and a couple one step aiders. They are also a pain to carry in. Your hack on carrying in with the bow carrying strap was the aha moment for me. I had one laying around and went to grab it while your video was playing and bam!!! My problem is solved! Thank you. You just saved me a few hundred
Drill half inch holes and copy it like a beast stick they are amazing! Sheds a ton of weight! Simple drill press or a bench vice and drill. Make sure you have really good bits use oil to keep them cool!
These look like a glorified Hawk Helium 20in Stick, they even weigh the same. Except these are $225 and the Hawks can routinely be found for $100 or less.
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Not your average channel…keep it up!!!
Do you still use these sticks? And would you recommend them?
Absolutely I still use them! Would highly recommend after many sits with them.
@@averagejackarchery thanks!
Always love the content and the knowledge you are sharing. Keep it up
Great review... You covered it all!
Much appreciated!
Have you found a need to apply any tape or stealth strips to the sticks? Also do the pins loosen, my sticks and tough to get apart once all together
How high have you gotten with them running stock and no aiders?
Damn auto correct 🤣😂🤣 ment to say "STICKS".
The heliums are a fraction of the cost of the skeletors , and nearly the exact step, minus the angle of the skeltors. Disagree with the thethrd quality comments. After releasing a very light and expensive step earlier this season, they had to issue a recall. The May have skipped a step in their QC process. Disappointing considering how expensive their gear is. I’ve ran the 30 inch hawks with amsteel rope and anchor cleats for three years with only one issue, the retention system for stacking them for packing.
if you're having issues throwing the amsteel rope around, put a small lead fishing weight on the end. A clamp on type. Just a little one will do.
I wish someone would make a 30 inch stick like the heliums that are lighter bc with my full length helium and one step aider on each i hit 24 ft and I hate to sacrifice height for just a couple lbs.
Did your standoffs bend?
Where are they made?
Tethrd will replace those bent sections with a newer, strong and modified model of cleat. The newer sticks come with the new cleats. To tell if you have them, the bottom edge of the cleat that digs into the tree has been tapered (as has the top cleat) instead of a harsh 90 degree angle that won't allow them to give that 1/8" instead of bending.
I'm looking forward to using them long term. They check all the boxes I need.
Use your saddle recliner back strap to shoulder carry the socks👍😁
Do you run into any issues with the Skeletor because the standoffs dont pivot? That's the only down fall I've seen in my research. I'm currently using the lone wolf sticks and the stand offs do pivot to conform to the tree. Thinking about making the switch.
What a great time to get started in saddle hunting. You veterans have blazed the trail. Y'all dealt with so many trials and errors and for you to log your experiences and give detailed reviews, it really does make it less expensive and easier to maneuver through all the options on the market.
..I feel like I'm sneaking into the woods on a path that's already been cut trimmed and raked... with the wind in my face and the staging area 16 yards ahead of me;)
Was using my Tethrd skeletors today, and I installed the sticks correctly, and noticed that one of the standoffs were bent and that they couldn’t pin back together.
Great review, but wondering what is your total climbing height without aiders?
17' to platform when I'm not all layered up.
I have been thinking about putting a 1/4-3/8 oz drop shot fishing weight into the end of the amsteel rope and securing with a whip finish on both ends of the weight. Adding a short piece of shrink tubing might help keep everything silent.
one the one stick I have a bungee ball ... works great
Electric tape a washer on the end
Do you have a video of bows for people longer draw?? I’m around 32ish
Unfortunately, no. Hard to keep tabs on the new models year after year.
How was it on smooth bark trees? I run hawk Helium right now and on the smooth bark trees then tend to slide down the tree or kick out while climbing them
I exaggerate not: these have the best bite of any stick I've owned. It's unreal. Smooth, rough, chip, evergreen...all barks aren't safe.
What area do you hunt Indiana I’m from southern Indiana
how many inches is the step from the tree, wondering how much the angle adds to distance,?
thanks for the review.
“I need like an extra 2 inches right” That’s the story of my life…giggity
What's your thoughts on ah good light weight climber like the lone wolf hand climber/ summit open shot vs one of these light hang on stand with sticks in pa.?... There's not many branches on trees that get in the way of ah climber here in pa... So what do u think?. Do u think the hang on is ah more efficient way to go for ah guy wanting to get into the mobile run and gun style hunting here in pa? And if so, how much more efficient would u say it is. Or vise versa..
He's been doing a ton, maybe exclusively, hunting from a saddle these days. I liked this review though, it's got me wondering if I want to try climbing sticks and a hang on in the future. I use a lone wolf climber currently. The sit and climb, but it's not worlds different. I sometimes dread carrying it to the top of the mountain. Pretty bulky, and the longer it's on my back the heavier it feels. Number one complaint I have... Makes it hard to also carry a pack with cold weather gear, etc.
I switched to the Lone Wolf hand climber this year from a Big Game sit and climb. The LW is definitely lighter, easier to pack in and out, and no where near as loud or bulky. But, it's also much smaller to sit in and very little platform space for your feet. I'm 5'7, and for me it felt like this was a small as i could safely go. If you're any bigger, I'd suggest sticks and a saddle or hang on.
@@andrewvidal5325 what Andrew said about the hand climber platform is why I have the larger sit and climb. The first time you lean on your toes and realize they're already hanging off, it scares you straight.
I hunted exclusively out of a Gorilla or Ol Man climber for nearly 15 years. Then tried XOP hang on, then diy saddle, now a real manufactured one. I stuck with the saddle for a few reasons 1) bad lumbar discs with a climber suck 2) weight and bulk savings, I'm all on public land with big hikes, and 3) I like the feeling of being secured with a taught rope from ground to hunting height. Just my preferences.
As usual you are very concise. Plenty of information to obsorbe .. I was a a bit confused on your verbal description on seating the sticks there a the end...recording the slight bending of the fastener
Unrelated question. But if you had to choose between an Elite Option 6 or Impulse 34 which would you choose? I know you’ve been an Elite guy so I am curious on your thoughts. Thinking of picking one up of those up as a backup bow/3D setup
Impulse 34 all the way there. When I bought my first Elite is was a battle for the 34 or the E35. The E35 ended up winning and I've done a lot of great things with that bow. But I've always wanted an I34 in the arsenal.
@@averagejackarchery That’s kind of the route I figured you would go haha! Sounds good thanks for the input!
Nice review. Daddy daycare you’re down there and there up stairs 😂😂
I just sit in the easy chair and listen for stuff breaking...
@@averagejackarchery 😂😂😂
Mine will be here Friday
When did you order them? Ordered mine the morning they posted and haven’t got shipping confirmation yet.
@@davidwatkins6575 I got the email at 7:45 and I had order confirmation by 8 am
@@flounderwetspot8524 Cool. I was at work so I didn’t see the email till about 10:00am. Ordered and got a confirmation email that said I’d get another email with shipping info. Didn’t say back ordered on the website or the order confirmation but I’m worried that’s what happen. Hopefully I’ll have them by next season.
@@davidwatkins6575 mine just got delivered today, you will be stoked
@@flounderwetspot8524 looking forward to it! I emailed them and got response “we are shipping them as they become available”. Didn’t like that do to the horror stories I’ve heard about people still waiting on their one sticks. Emailed them again to verify I wasn’t on the back order. They said I was in the first 1000 ordered so guaranteed by Christmas. Here’s hoping 🤞🏻
I use a small gear tie to add weight to the end of my amsteel if I need to toss it around a bigger tree. Tie a small (loose) knot as a stopper, and pinch the gear tie around the rope above it. It works great!
Very interested. Can you post a picture or video so I can get a better understanding?
Interesting demo. You created them to stress and they bent? How high can you get with 4 sticks no aider? Thx as always for your review!
Yes. Mishandling of the installation caused the bend in the cam cleat. Something I did not know was such a necessity as I said in the video. I have long legs, so 4 sticks and a little more to my platform get my up to 17' off the ground.
@@averagejackarchery Thx for your reply. Good hunting.
I'm looking into doing some public land hunting in Missouri next year and I may have to add these to my wishlist!
Can't wait to receive mine.. ordered them about two weeks ago.. unfortunately they are on backorder..
Great review, I ordered a set yesterday.
Could you tell me the measurement from the top of the top standoff to the top of the bottom step once deployed?
17.5". Just so anyone else who's curious can see the reply. :)
I also have family in Pennsylvania
Thanks for your review and the info
Thanks for the video, I’m switching over from a climber to this same set up and we’re really close on size. Really appreciate the info, I’m going for it! Thanks! ✌🏼
Great review ! Ordered a set on Friday 😁 thanks for your videos, always enjoy them !
Great nuggets of wisdom!
Keep it up!
Thanks for the content!
Hopefully, the sticks, though "backordered", will arrive by the 25th....
Excellent and in depth review of what seems to be a great stick. If they can meet demand, they’re gong to sell a bunch of these.
Catman beat you to it! 😄
The sticks look nice, like a more refined Helium stick. I've been running woven daisy chains and diy single aiders and that cleat system on these looks much easier.
I like your point about being able to use 4 sticks without aiders for the same weight as 3 other sticks with aiders.
HUH !!!.......i want free stuff too !!!
great video nate ....nick and i were actually talking about these the other day thanks for your as always honest opinion brother.....and dont get those gremlins wet they multiply then lol
Ordered a set Friday when they came online with them because early in the season I was standing on one of my other ones wondering why is this such a pain realizing I didn’t have enough foot room 👍
You were hunting off your top step?
@@corey8134 no just when I climb there’s not enough room for my #13 boots
@@davidfleer5307 what sticks are those?
@@corey8134 hawk
This might hurt your argument about the skeletor stick, but I have to thank you. I have an old pair of muddy sticks that are amazing except they are 3 pounds per stick. That's 12 pounds for the 3 with amateel and a couple one step aiders. They are also a pain to carry in. Your hack on carrying in with the bow carrying strap was the aha moment for me. I had one laying around and went to grab it while your video was playing and bam!!! My problem is solved! Thank you. You just saved me a few hundred
Drill half inch holes and copy it like a beast stick they are amazing! Sheds a ton of weight! Simple drill press or a bench vice and drill. Make sure you have really good bits use oil to keep them cool!
These look like a glorified Hawk Helium 20in Stick, they even weigh the same. Except these are $225 and the Hawks can routinely be found for $100 or less.
Finally !!!!
Why I didn't see this before ordering my set of Hawk Helium. I will try the hawk Helium first and see how it perform.