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If any of yall play CFB dynasty.. you know if you keep firing your coordinators you get a bad rating for coach stability which will prevent you from getting recruits. Mara can’t keep firing coaches and gms after two years (it really speaks to Mara’s hiring if anything) but man you have to trust the vision and daboll needs HIS guy at QB
F ..... The way the GM spoke to Barkley on the phone telling him to test the market was disrespectful and he didn't even realize it . .. Hope he learns from his mistake .
I'd say the record should be 6-4. With Jones factored in, we are 2-8. This QB and the backup QB's are the limiting factors. Keep the management, draft Ward, or the LSU Qb if possible. If not, sign a good veteran qb next year and hope a draft worthy qb is available in the following draft. Don't draft a QB just to draft a QB. But I do believe in Ward
92M to Jones-instead of Franchise Tagging him Saquan Barkley - Debacle- our identity - he was too proud to take advice not to trade- also paying Daniel’s and not Barkley created division on team Hardknocks- was an embarrassing joke - Schoen laughed at Mara telling him we will be fine without Saquan- ugh
Barkley wouldn't change anything. Terrible with him, terrible without him. An RB doesn't make your team. They help, but even Derrick Henry wasn't carrying the Titans to Super Bowls. We tried to pay Saquon, he didn't bite, hence tagging him and paying Jones. The plan was absolutely to do the reverse, which would have been ideal.
Yes! They both doubled down on Jones and should go down with him. These mfers had the nerve to ask Russell Wilson to be a backup. They literally threw the season! And yalll want them back?
Draft needs: QB, CB, DL, WR FA needs(if you dont draft a QB): QB, RG, Safety This is a do or die offseason for Joe Schoen, but I'm excited to see what happens.
You think wandale isn’t worth a resign? He’s our most reliable option at wr. Nabers is electric and our wr1 but wandale has been our best option since he was drafted. Long term slot receiver
Nah, I know Mara is fuming 😤 but I don’t want instability again. Give BD JS time bc we need stability… especially BD (he one of my fav NYG HC) I was so shocked how they dropped Jets HC like a bad habit . Nah, I didn’t like that. Lets go BIG BLUE NYG 🗽🏈🫶🏼🙏🏼
He signed up for this rebuild and promised Schoen and Daboll time. He wanted to keep Jones, and though he has defended HC and GM, he now has nothing to say about Jones. I think all three are on the same page. Just gotta draft the QB and keep building the roster.
@@JeckMedina-u3c He’s given more and more power over to Schoen. He’s not nearly as big of an issue as he used to be. If he were, Saquon would be extended and there would be no trapdoor in the Jones deal. Not to mention, he matched Wellington’s two rings with two of his own. Some owners give their fanbases absolutely nothing.
3rd Ring was Poppa Dukes Ring !!! What are you talking about lmao 🤣 and a Bunch of players from that team also on the 4th !! Just bcs he Died in 2007 doesn’t mean his finger prints weren’t on those Rosters ! Fire em and get Vrabel
@ Yeah, a dead man won two Super Bowls. Just kills you to admit John played a part in giving Brady PTSD. Poppa Duke died in 2005, genius. You fire Brian, and Vrabel wouldn’t come here if you paid him. Enjoy Mike McCarthy, Marvin Lewis, or Steve Wilks.
That’s the thing though, we never actually get blown out, there’s usually a chance we just blow it with either play-calling or QB/OL mistakes. Clear the whole house but keep the stars!!
Daboll has such stupid play calling and decision making. He's risky when he shouldn't be. Time management is bad too. Absolutely should get rid of him. I'd keep the GM and fire daboll way more than the other way around. So many close game losses that were directly because of a stupid decision on his part. He'll never be a HC again
There is more than enough reason to keep Joe Schoen. Ever since he became GM - The Giants O-line did nothing but improved, He drafted a stud WR in Malik Nabors, They have a rising star TE in Theo Johnson, RB Tyrone Tracy is no Saquon, But there's every indication he's the next Ahmad Bradshaw. You add that to the fact that Joe Schoen has quietly built up the best pass rush in the NFL - It's bound to pay off sooner or later. The only thing that anchors their chances of being a real contender is the need for a real quarterback. They get that - They're well on their way.
If you choose a QB in the next Draft, then you MUST either fire the gm/coach or keep them long term for the sake of stability for a new Qb coming in. Otherwise you end up with same scenario DJ came into with musical chairs in the front office.
K-they have to keep them. They’re further along as a team although the record doesn’t indicate that. In much better shape than they were under the last 3 coaches.
New GM for sure. But in all honesty, changing staffs now won't change anything. New staff means new schemes, meaning learning a new scheme, which starts BACK at square one. we need PLAYERS....not focusing on the staff.
Keep both, had the best draft class this last draft then any other team . They were givin not the best opportunity to truly show the management they could do
K. The problem is the QB. Defence is pretty good. They've got enough weapons. And the O-Line is building alright. Keep Schoen and Daboll, draft a top QB, go again.
I would give them a chance to draft their own QB. Especially since Schoen’s 2024 draft has been nothing short of a masterclass. Firing them will just set this franchise back another 3 years.
Schoen only really messed up twice and thats signing jones and dropping Barkley but at least he made it fixable and honestly kinda expected this in the first place they are just giving a cushion for their new qb with an actually line a reciever and a defense to back him up
@chiapets2594 ya I'm gonna be honest I feel more comfortable firing Schoen then dabol I feel like he's the first competent head coach we had since coughlin and dabol hasn't even got to pick his own QB like how do you do that to a HC especially with his history with QBs
Tyrone Tracy proved him right on Barkley. Jones’ contract has a trapdoor. So even if those were mistakes, you’re right in that he’s corrected the course and is building the team for the new baby.
Tough call! I say K. The league is very competing this year and, I agree: The Giants could be at least 5-5 with a good QB. I am not as disappoints with Dionte Banks and Tre Phillips. The Defense is MUCH better this season.
Daboll was right about Jayden Daniels. That feels like the only reason to keep him. Schoen has done the hard work of getting the cap under control.... Meh?
We just need a new qb that would be more decisive, and confident in himself, take chances to throw deep and lead his receivers, they are open. Even if we have holes on the secondary end. We win more games because we would be playing with a lead with a better qb. They should keep joe schoen and daboll to get a top qb in the draft for two seasons.
It will be hard to get a competent head coach with all the teams with better situations needing a head coach this offseason as well. Sometimes the devil you know is better and see how different this team looks w their own QB. Tbh I keep daboll and Schoen for now.
My issue and why I’d say fire them is this 1) You have to ask yourself, without mistakes, has the play calling and schemes worked? If the answer is no, regardless of the talent and players you can easily say this is all a fluke (the one playoff win shouldn’t count our sos was good that year) 2) has the primary job they do, not all the secondary and tertiary roles, been a success? In JS drafting hasn’t been better than Gettleman. It’s the head offices job to hire talent evaluators and other roles to have succesful drafts. 3) Have they built a winning culture? No. Neal’s outburst and raking of the fans have shown a lack of maturity and discipline. 4) Have they had great rapport with personnel? No, McKinney and Barkley show not only an inability to keep them, but tracking them through the mud and thus tainting any relationship. How can they be trusted by other FA? 5) Are they respected by leaders? No, they are criticized by alums and hall of famers and even the press. So let me get this straight, they aren’t respected, aren’t liked, aren’t trusted, aren’t depended on and don’t have the admiration of the team they manage and coach and we should keep them? It’s not firing the coaches and GM that’s the issue, we aren’t hiring people who have a plan beyond let’s just win, criticize them all we want but the basic roles and duties they have, they are failing at.
All the plays that Daboll has called on the field are plays that can be made which we’ve seen, he just needs a competent Quarterback to make those plays
Mara should keep both. But dude. In no way shape or form do I think Dabol or Schoen wanted to resign DJ. Mara needs to keep his hands out of the signing decision making.
Please give dabs a chance to get his guy. 2-8 is terrible but its gonna be a blessing in Disguise when we get cam ward. Like what does a 6-10 pick do when u we need a qb desperately. Like I want wins but we might as well lose now lol
There is a GREAT article written by Chris Landers from Fanside. Completly states the facts of the issues to a tee. They all need to go, Schoen should have franchised Jones and resigned Barkley!!!!! Schoen is responsible for 45 players of the current roster.
We actually agree on our needs i really wanted McMillan WR aa our 1sr pick to go along Malik that be scary , move up late first early 2nd to get the qb , cut Jones buy and all pro tackle , but if we have 1-4 pick there's no way they can't take ward or Sandards I dint think
I like schoen, he’s aggressive and has made some solid picks. I just think if they’re going to keep both gm and HC you have to give them 2 more years or you’re going to do the same thing to the next qb as they did with jones. If anyone needs to go it’s jones obviously
The clock starts next year with their drafted QB. If by 2026 there’s not enough progress, Mara would then be justified in moving on, and the prime candidates would be drawn to the team.
I wouldn’t fire them just yet. Let’s Draft (Possibly Cam Ward) and we’ll see if Daboll can do it with a QB capable of getting the ball to open targets. I don’t think Daboll can open the whole playbook for DJ 🤷🏾♂️
Firing them would be a massive long term mistake. Cuts the rebuild off at the knees, chases away any talented potential hires because they see the impatience despite being promised time, and basically ensures you’re not winning a 20s ring. Better to let Schoen and Daboll draft a quarterback and sign a bridge. Daboll hasn’t lost the locker room and Schoen had a hell of a 24 draft class. Mara signed up for a rebuild. Rebuilds are painful. Don’t pull a Woody Johnson and act rashly. Be patient.
Every other position that has been a problem has at least shown some sort of improvement from last year except for QB. If it were my team, I'd call everyone into a room who makes personnel decisions and say "Hey, we're going to bench Daniel Jones and cut him at the end of the year" and anyone who flinches on it is fired. Cant exactly fault Daboll if his hand is being forced on Jones. Side note, I wouldnt be opposed to bringing back Coughlin as an advisor or a "director of football personnel". *Edit - Honestly... after watching the rest of this video maybe Coughlin would be a solid GM candidate.
Who is the regime that chose Dimes over Barkley? The most basic fan can make this choice. In the same manner that close games are losses speak for decisions made (coaching).
Who are the available candidates for a new Giants' GM and would they want the job? Is there someone out there with a proven record as a GM who is available? Is there is a guy who is head and shoulders better than Schoen? If there is, fire Schoen and grab the other guy. But if we have to take a flyer on a well respected front office guy, with no proven record as a GM, I'm not so sure we should make the change. Most of the guys on the internet liked the Schoen hire. He was young, with fresh ideas and appreciated analytics. Is there another George Young out there who can save the franchise?
keep daboll, sign a new OC for him. fire schoen, promote brandon brown to GM. he is the brightest spot of this management staff, i trust him above any other staffer in the building
keep them both please. let them have a year with their guy. schoen's last draft class should absolutely be enough to keep him around. not sure if daboll can handle it though, starting to lose hope in him. but give these guys one more year with the team they actually want. need mara to step away a bit.
I think Joe Schoen had to grow as a gm and drafter and looks to be getting better. If we fire and re hire it’d have to be someone super experienced to not screw up this draft. Also it’d need to be done asap as soon as the season is over to give them enough time.
The Bears would beg to differ. You can't just throw a young phenom in with a crappy team and expect miracles. Pat Mahomes sat on the bench for two years, so did Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. I would ride out DJs contract and start filling the other holes in this lineup starting with the O-Line. Then and only then would I go QB shopping. Every year you hear about some "generational talent" at Quarterback that's going to magically fix all problems. The fact is that throwing a rookie quarterback into an NFL starting lineup of a bad team is like pushing a toddler into rush hour traffic. Build a support system first. Then go after the skill players.
You laid the case out very well: Schoen has made many poor decisions. But... he hit on almost every draft pick this year. They need to get a QB in this draft and get it right. Give Daboll a dynamic QB who's a winner. DJ is simply not a starting QB in the NFL, I've never seen a QB so terrible at reading the field
They both deserve another year or two. Joe FINALLY brought his own scouting team (too late in my opinion) in 2024!!! So essentially you could argue the remaining of the last regime is now pretty much all gone. The 2024 draft was a very solid one, JOE’s new scouting department, I trust them. I don’t know about the last one. I mean look at our 1st rounders with them: Jones, Dex, AT, Banks, KT, and Neal. There are only TWO names there that I feel were worth their picks, with KT the third tbd… Last thing: we need to stop the 2-4, 3-4 defensive schemes, bc ironically that’s what our record will be a third of the way through the season if we continue to do so. Would love to see a new qb and Deone walker next to dex next year.
I have to believe that Joe and Brian are tanking very quietly to get Brian a real QB. Next year will reveal a lot. If we put in Drew or Tommy they would have won an additional game or three thus putting us out of contention of getting a first round QB. 2025!!!
Shadeur’s OC is Pat Shurmur so he is NFL ready. Milroe is a BEAST!!! Cam Ward can’t miss. Carson Beck can’t miss. Miller Moss USC. Jack Dart Ole Miss. I say the closest thing to Josh Allen is Milroe. LFG with Milroe bc he’s a game changer.
Look, at the end of the day it was Joe Shane and Brian Dabel that kept Daniel Jones and he’s our quarterback because of them. Not to mention the fact that they let Saquon Barkley go. I think it’s time to clean house. Even though I like them. But they just didn’t do the job.
Don’t think we should clean house, I like Joe Schoen and I think he makes pretty good decisions as a manager. Jones isn’t really his fault but hey they did pay him. I’m on the fence with Daboll, don’t think we should fire him. Give him a fresh QB and then see if he can make something of it
Jones became there quarterback soon as they resigned them! Had Russell Wilson inside the building! And told him he'll be backing up Daniel Jones! That's their guy
If there was a time to clean house it would be now considering we stay at the top of the draft. Let the new regime pick their qb and hit the ground running. Otherwise we see what this group does with a qb that they don’t have to be handcuffed to thanks to John Mara.
For the love of God, a different qb is not going to make a difference when the oline is always thin, no wr that help a rushed qb, a defense that can't cover...
Mara is part of the problem. Starting over after only two seasons would be a mistake. How many great coaches would have never been if they fired them after two seasons? Tom Landry was 9-46 after his first five seasons before he started winning. Jones is a mess at quarterback. We need to start drafting better consistently. But Schoen just had his best draft.
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If any of yall play CFB dynasty.. you know if you keep firing your coordinators you get a bad rating for coach stability which will prevent you from getting recruits. Mara can’t keep firing coaches and gms after two years (it really speaks to Mara’s hiring if anything) but man you have to trust the vision and daboll needs HIS guy at QB
F Daboll, F Schoen and a big FU to Mara, the Meadowlands is the real swamp that needs draining
F ..... The way the GM spoke to Barkley on the phone telling him to test the market was disrespectful and he didn't even realize it . .. Hope he learns from his mistake .
tbh even if barkley was on the team, we woudlnt have a much better record. hope mara doesnt clean house and at least lets them play with their own qb
@@victordavid2292but we’ll be in a bette position when our qb comes in . saquon is generational.
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@@victordavid2292If you add Barkley with Xavier and still have Julian love! Then maybe you're a playoff team this year!
That idiot should have told Daniel Jones to test the market.
ward , sanders , milroe . let daboll work with one
@ idk ill take the risk
They're not a bust this thing must be high I need to really meet his dealer😂
@@juancolon887 theyre dumb because of what they see on TV... at the college level doesnt make them NFL ready
Then he should step down! And become the Giants quarterback coach! We need a head coach! This is not just a quarterback away problem
Idk about Sanders but id even consider drew allar
I'd say the record should be 6-4. With Jones factored in, we are 2-8. This QB and the backup QB's are the limiting factors.
Keep the management, draft Ward, or the LSU Qb if possible. If not, sign a good veteran qb next year and hope a draft worthy qb is available in the following draft. Don't draft a QB just to draft a QB. But I do believe in Ward
92M to Jones-instead of Franchise Tagging him
Saquan Barkley - Debacle- our identity - he was too proud to take advice not to trade- also paying Daniel’s and not Barkley created division on team
Hardknocks- was an embarrassing joke - Schoen laughed at Mara telling him we will be fine without Saquan- ugh
I saw that arrogant sccuummbag in Hard Knocks and he made me puke. The writing was on the wall then.
Tyrone Tracy looking pretty damn good, and Devin Singletary cleaned up his fumbles. I don’t think about Barkley at all.
Barkley wouldn't change anything. Terrible with him, terrible without him. An RB doesn't make your team. They help, but even Derrick Henry wasn't carrying the Titans to Super Bowls. We tried to pay Saquon, he didn't bite, hence tagging him and paying Jones. The plan was absolutely to do the reverse, which would have been ideal.
@@DeJoe8 And we got Tracy and Singletary on the cheap. Used that money for o-line and Burns. I think those investments have worked out well so far.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014 your foolish for thinking that way
Yes! They both doubled down on Jones and should go down with him. These mfers had the nerve to ask Russell Wilson to be a backup. They literally threw the season! And yalll want them back?
Draft needs: QB, CB, DL, WR
FA needs(if you dont draft a QB): QB, RG, Safety
This is a do or die offseason for Joe Schoen, but I'm excited to see what happens.
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Still need another OT as well
@ Eleumanor and AT on both sides looks good to me. Guard needs help with Van Rotens contract up after this szn, we need a young guy
You think wandale isn’t worth a resign? He’s our most reliable option at wr. Nabers is electric and our wr1 but wandale has been our best option since he was drafted. Long term slot receiver
They need an OT badly
The head coach is not the problem, it’s the Daniel Jones who can’t make a play.
Head coach is the problem he is the one who controls the darn team and hasn’t helped it
Noballs daballs got the job fixing dj he failed the team is never prepared way over his hrad
Nah, I know Mara is fuming 😤 but I don’t want instability again. Give BD JS time bc we need stability… especially BD (he one of my fav NYG HC) I was so shocked how they dropped Jets HC like a bad habit . Nah, I didn’t like that. Lets go BIG BLUE NYG 🗽🏈🫶🏼🙏🏼
He signed up for this rebuild and promised Schoen and Daboll time. He wanted to keep Jones, and though he has defended HC and GM, he now has nothing to say about Jones. I think all three are on the same page. Just gotta draft the QB and keep building the roster.
Mara is the constant issue tho!!
@@JeckMedina-u3c He’s given more and more power over to Schoen. He’s not nearly as big of an issue as he used to be. If he were, Saquon would be extended and there would be no trapdoor in the Jones deal. Not to mention, he matched Wellington’s two rings with two of his own. Some owners give their fanbases absolutely nothing.
3rd Ring was Poppa Dukes Ring !!! What are you talking about lmao 🤣 and a Bunch of players from that team also on the 4th !! Just bcs he Died in 2007 doesn’t mean his finger prints weren’t on those Rosters ! Fire em and get Vrabel
@ Yeah, a dead man won two Super Bowls. Just kills you to admit John played a part in giving Brady PTSD. Poppa Duke died in 2005, genius.
You fire Brian, and Vrabel wouldn’t come here if you paid him. Enjoy Mike McCarthy, Marvin Lewis, or Steve Wilks.
I like DaBoll… I blame Mara for pushing for Jones. Let’s see what he can do with a REAL QB!
Be the same outcome as being a better play caller than a Kafka and look how that turned out.
That’s the thing though, we never actually get blown out, there’s usually a chance we just blow it with either play-calling or QB/OL mistakes. Clear the whole house but keep the stars!!
I wanna keep DaBoll at least, he never really had a fair chance with a great qb
He chose dj😊
Daboll has such stupid play calling and decision making. He's risky when he shouldn't be. Time management is bad too. Absolutely should get rid of him. I'd keep the GM and fire daboll way more than the other way around. So many close game losses that were directly because of a stupid decision on his part. He'll never be a HC again
@@chiapets2594no he didn’t let him draft a qb of his own
Yes he did he chose DJ he had a chance this year
Fire fire fire fire fire fire
So glad we have 7 more games!!!! FUN FUN fun!!!!
There is more than enough reason to keep Joe Schoen. Ever since he became GM - The Giants O-line did nothing but improved, He drafted a stud WR in Malik Nabors, They have a rising star TE in Theo Johnson, RB Tyrone Tracy is no Saquon, But there's every indication he's the next Ahmad Bradshaw. You add that to the fact that Joe Schoen has quietly built up the best pass rush in the NFL - It's bound to pay off sooner or later. The only thing that anchors their chances of being a real contender is the need for a real quarterback. They get that - They're well on their way.
The big problem is where you getting an elite qb? They don’t grow on trees.
We're going to get one in cam Ward that's for sure
They grow on college football teams though 😂
cant keep saying this year after year
Daboll is quite capable of ruining any great young QB prospect. Look at how Jones has turned out. A complete disaster.
Don’t need an elite one just need a competent one
If you choose a QB in the next Draft, then you MUST either fire the gm/coach or keep them long term for the sake of stability for a new Qb coming in.
Otherwise you end up with same scenario DJ came into with musical chairs in the front office.
K-they have to keep them. They’re further along as a team although the record doesn’t indicate that. In much better shape than they were under the last 3 coaches.
New GM for sure. But in all honesty, changing staffs now won't change anything. New staff means new schemes, meaning learning a new scheme, which starts BACK at square one. we need PLAYERS....not focusing on the staff.
Keep both, had the best draft class this last draft then any other team . They were givin not the best opportunity to truly show the management they could do
No too much turnover isn’t helping either, get a legit qb first
Bench DJ keep Daboll and Shoen and draft a QB Ward or Sanders. Give them a chance with their own QB
Couldn't have said it better myself I would take either one
And how many years you want to give them after that?
@kale2149 2 tops. Their on the clock ⏰️ after that
This was a good episode. 👏🏾
Would have LOVED to been a 🪰on the wall of that flight back. 😅
I think you roll with Joe shoen and Daboll. Joe has shown progress in learning from mistakes
id love to know what those are this guy just reset the team in a single season LOL
I agree not everyone is the Texans lol
Countdown belichek
K. The problem is the QB. Defence is pretty good. They've got enough weapons. And the O-Line is building alright. Keep Schoen and Daboll, draft a top QB, go again.
I would give them a chance to draft their own QB. Especially since Schoen’s 2024 draft has been nothing short of a masterclass. Firing them will just set this franchise back another 3 years.
Schoen only really messed up twice and thats signing jones and dropping Barkley but at least he made it fixable and honestly kinda expected this in the first place they are just giving a cushion for their new qb with an actually line a reciever and a defense to back him up
Yea huge mistakes
@chiapets2594 ya I'm gonna be honest I feel more comfortable firing Schoen then dabol I feel like he's the first competent head coach we had since coughlin and dabol hasn't even got to pick his own QB like how do you do that to a HC especially with his history with QBs
Tyrone Tracy proved him right on Barkley. Jones’ contract has a trapdoor. So even if those were mistakes, you’re right in that he’s corrected the course and is building the team for the new baby.
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The fact they got a road playoff winner with Danny is a miracle. hire belechik and keep dabol as an OC.
Tough call! I say K. The league is very competing this year and, I agree: The Giants could be at least 5-5 with a good QB. I am not as disappoints with Dionte Banks and Tre Phillips. The Defense is MUCH better this season.
Can I join the petition to bench Daniel jones?
If Devito plays we have a better chance of winning which will hurt the franchise. They will stick with Jones.
Should have gotten Wilson, probably have only 2 losses 🤦🏾♂️
Wilson was told that he wouldn't have a chance to compete and thats why he didn't sign here. Another Schoen/Daboll mishap.
The fact that they thought they could win with Daniel Jones and not sign saquon shows they do not make good decisions
Usually, losing overseas with a poor record means someone is getting fired
Daboll was right about Jayden Daniels. That feels like the only reason to keep him. Schoen has done the hard work of getting the cap under control.... Meh?
Lol i love your takes marsh … so brutal and raw i love it show no mercy haha
We just need a new qb that would be more decisive, and confident in himself, take chances to throw deep and lead his receivers, they are open. Even if we have holes on the secondary end. We win more games because we would be playing with a lead with a better qb. They should keep joe schoen and daboll to get a top qb in the draft for two seasons.
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It will be hard to get a competent head coach with all the teams with better situations needing a head coach this offseason as well. Sometimes the devil you know is better and see how different this team looks w their own QB. Tbh I keep daboll and Schoen for now.
My issue and why I’d say fire them is this
1) You have to ask yourself, without mistakes, has the play calling and schemes worked? If the answer is no, regardless of the talent and players you can easily say this is all a fluke (the one playoff win shouldn’t count our sos was good that year)
2) has the primary job they do, not all the secondary and tertiary roles, been a success? In JS drafting hasn’t been better than Gettleman. It’s the head offices job to hire talent evaluators and other roles to have succesful drafts.
3) Have they built a winning culture? No. Neal’s outburst and raking of the fans have shown a lack of maturity and discipline.
4) Have they had great rapport with personnel? No, McKinney and Barkley show not only an inability to keep them, but tracking them through the mud and thus tainting any relationship. How can they be trusted by other FA?
5) Are they respected by leaders? No, they are criticized by alums and hall of famers and even the press.
So let me get this straight, they aren’t respected, aren’t liked, aren’t trusted, aren’t depended on and don’t have the admiration of the team they manage and coach and we should keep them?
It’s not firing the coaches and GM that’s the issue, we aren’t hiring people who have a plan beyond let’s just win, criticize them all we want but the basic roles and duties they have, they are failing at.
All the plays that Daboll has called on the field are plays that can be made which we’ve seen, he just needs a competent Quarterback to make those plays
Why do we keep throwing dj out there. Why haven’t we given any of the other qbs on the roster a chance at all?!
Bc DJ gives us the best chance of losing. I personally believe that they are secretly tanking
Mara should keep both. But dude. In no way shape or form do I think Dabol or Schoen wanted to resign DJ. Mara needs to keep his hands out of the signing decision making.
Please give dabs a chance to get his guy. 2-8 is terrible but its gonna be a blessing in Disguise when we get cam ward. Like what does a 6-10 pick do when u we need a qb desperately. Like I want wins but we might as well lose now lol
They did have a good draft tho id say give them another shot with a new qb
There is a GREAT article written by Chris Landers from Fanside. Completly states the facts of the issues to a tee. They all need to go, Schoen should have franchised Jones and resigned Barkley!!!!! Schoen is responsible for 45 players of the current roster.
We actually agree on our needs i really wanted McMillan WR aa our 1sr pick to go along Malik that be scary , move up late first early 2nd to get the qb , cut Jones buy and all pro tackle , but if we have 1-4 pick there's no way they can't take ward or Sandards I dint think
I like schoen, he’s aggressive and has made some solid picks. I just think if they’re going to keep both gm and HC you have to give them 2 more years or you’re going to do the same thing to the next qb as they did with jones. If anyone needs to go it’s jones obviously
The clock starts next year with their drafted QB. If by 2026 there’s not enough progress, Mara would then be justified in moving on, and the prime candidates would be drawn to the team.
F , I feel like there losing not only games but the locker room as well and that's when you know it's over 😢
Keep dabol if anything get a new GM even tho I still kinda believe in him, I think it's far to say idk if I'm I believe in him developing players
Give you props you have Draft Kings. Impressive.
Yes they should clean house right now...we need great players like now!!!!
Remember when they could of had Russell Wilson? But then they asked him to be a back up That worked out well ....
I wouldn’t fire them just yet. Let’s Draft (Possibly Cam Ward) and we’ll see if Daboll can do it with a QB capable of getting the ball to open targets. I don’t think Daboll can open the whole playbook for DJ 🤷🏾♂️
Firing them would be a massive long term mistake. Cuts the rebuild off at the knees, chases away any talented potential hires because they see the impatience despite being promised time, and basically ensures you’re not winning a 20s ring. Better to let Schoen and Daboll draft a quarterback and sign a bridge. Daboll hasn’t lost the locker room and Schoen had a hell of a 24 draft class. Mara signed up for a rebuild. Rebuilds are painful. Don’t pull a Woody Johnson and act rashly. Be patient.
That cannot happen!!!! Daboll is a pretty good coach. He needs his own qb.
I think that if Daboll can get a top QB I think this team will turn it around!
Every other position that has been a problem has at least shown some sort of improvement from last year except for QB. If it were my team, I'd call everyone into a room who makes personnel decisions and say "Hey, we're going to bench Daniel Jones and cut him at the end of the year" and anyone who flinches on it is fired.
Cant exactly fault Daboll if his hand is being forced on Jones. Side note, I wouldnt be opposed to bringing back Coughlin as an advisor or a "director of football personnel".
*Edit - Honestly... after watching the rest of this video maybe Coughlin would be a solid GM candidate.
Who is the regime that chose Dimes over Barkley? The most basic fan can make this choice. In the same manner that close games are losses speak for decisions made (coaching).
Fire Joe Schoen for sure the Barkley walking away is key and Daboll is given a stay of execution but on a very short leash
Who are the available candidates for a new Giants' GM and would they want the job? Is there someone out there with a proven record as a GM who is available? Is there is a guy who is head and shoulders better than Schoen? If there is, fire Schoen and grab the other guy. But if we have to take a flyer on a well respected front office guy, with no proven record as a GM, I'm not so sure we should make the change. Most of the guys on the internet liked the Schoen hire. He was young, with fresh ideas and appreciated analytics. Is there another George Young out there who can save the franchise?
keep daboll, sign a new OC for him. fire schoen, promote brandon brown to GM. he is the brightest spot of this management staff, i trust him above any other staffer in the building
Qb Jack Plummer from panthers preseason 🔥
keep them both please. let them have a year with their guy. schoen's last draft class should absolutely be enough to keep him around.
not sure if daboll can handle it though, starting to lose hope in him. but give these guys one more year with the team they actually want.
need mara to step away a bit.
Looking at that schedule with a good QB we'd be at least 7-3 now SMFH
We gave Daniel Jones 6 years but we give each coach 1 to 2 seasons max. Make it make sense.
I think Joe Schoen had to grow as a gm and drafter and looks to be getting better. If we fire and re hire it’d have to be someone super experienced to not screw up this draft. Also it’d need to be done asap as soon as the season is over to give them enough time.
keep. If you fire them , then 2 years later fire the new coaches and gm. when does it end.
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I don’t trust Daboll and Schoen getting new QB
Gano got hurt during a non contact play. Trying to run down a speedster. SMH.
I love Gano and he had a ton of clutch moments for us, but it’s time to cut him. He’s cooked and the injuries have done him in.
@ true..,however it’s the best we got given his injury profile sad to say
Put cutlets in and avoid the injury clause with Jones.....I defended him enough but the play calling is not good and this great defense has been awful
The Bears would beg to differ. You can't just throw a young phenom in with a crappy team and expect miracles. Pat Mahomes sat on the bench for two years, so did Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. I would ride out DJs contract and start filling the other holes in this lineup starting with the O-Line. Then and only then would I go QB shopping. Every year you hear about some "generational talent" at Quarterback that's going to magically fix all problems. The fact is that throwing a rookie quarterback into an NFL starting lineup of a bad team is like pushing a toddler into rush hour traffic. Build a support system first. Then go after the skill players.
You laid the case out very well: Schoen has made many poor decisions. But... he hit on almost every draft pick this year. They need to get a QB in this draft and get it right. Give Daboll a dynamic QB who's a winner. DJ is simply not a starting QB in the NFL, I've never seen a QB so terrible at reading the field
You can’t say no coach is out there that is better when Vrabel is just sitting there.
Keep them they draft really well and develop players really well
Honestly, Giants are throwing their games to get #1 draft pick
Honestly I don't think giants to give up Brian or Joe they need a new quarterback
Hopefully, we get a good quarterback in the off-season so we can draft Travis Hunter.
HC Daboll's job is safe as long he fired his OC Mike Kafka and get a new QB (Draft or Free Agency).
John Mara would be please next season.👍
So are you saying the Giants should be 8-2 right now???
They both deserve another year or two. Joe FINALLY brought his own scouting team (too late in my opinion) in 2024!!! So essentially you could argue the remaining of the last regime is now pretty much all gone. The 2024 draft was a very solid one, JOE’s new scouting department, I trust them. I don’t know about the last one. I mean look at our 1st rounders with them: Jones, Dex, AT, Banks, KT, and Neal. There are only TWO names there that I feel were worth their picks, with KT the third tbd…
Last thing: we need to stop the 2-4, 3-4 defensive schemes, bc ironically that’s what our record will be a third of the way through the season if we continue to do so. Would love to see a new qb and Deone walker next to dex next year.
I have to believe that Joe and Brian are tanking very quietly to get Brian a real QB. Next year will reveal a lot. If we put in Drew or Tommy they would have won an additional game or three thus putting us out of contention of getting a first round QB. 2025!!!
Shadeur’s OC is Pat Shurmur so he is NFL ready. Milroe is a BEAST!!! Cam Ward can’t miss. Carson Beck can’t miss. Miller Moss USC. Jack Dart Ole Miss. I say the closest thing to Josh Allen is Milroe. LFG with Milroe bc he’s a game changer.
Look, at the end of the day it was Joe Shane and Brian Dabel that kept Daniel Jones and he’s our quarterback because of them. Not to mention the fact that they let Saquon Barkley go.
I think it’s time to clean house. Even though I like them. But they just didn’t do the job.
I think the Giants draft a franchise QB and the sky is the limit!
Don’t think we should clean house, I like Joe Schoen and I think he makes pretty good decisions as a manager. Jones isn’t really his fault but hey they did pay him. I’m on the fence with Daboll, don’t think we should fire him. Give him a fresh QB and then see if he can make something of it
Is Billy P or Coach C available?
Keep them man it’s clear what the problem is and it’s not those two
Keep. Give them a chance to draft and develop their own QB.
Jones became there quarterback soon as they resigned them! Had Russell Wilson inside the building! And told him he'll be backing up Daniel Jones! That's their guy
If there was a time to clean house it would be now considering we stay at the top of the draft. Let the new regime pick their qb and hit the ground running. Otherwise we see what this group does with a qb that they don’t have to be handcuffed to thanks to John Mara.
I can't get over letting McKinney walk.😢
We thank Joe Schoen for gift wrapping S Barkley 😂
That's what dj does well he keeps games close then chokes
We have good receivers,we need an offensive line and new QB ,our cornerback s never worked out
Stability. Let them finish their contracts and same for Jones.
For the love of God, a different qb is not going to make a difference when the oline is always thin, no wr that help a rushed qb, a defense that can't cover...
Mara is part of the problem. Starting over after only two seasons would be a mistake. How many great coaches would have never been if they fired them after two seasons? Tom Landry was 9-46 after his first five seasons before he started winning. Jones is a mess at quarterback. We need to start drafting better consistently. But Schoen just had his best draft.