As a Scandinavian, I experienced something similar. My father would teach me about Thor when there was lightning, not in a formal or academic way, but the same way his parents probably told him when he was a child.
@@beartheconfused6798 I don't remember. He told that lightning came whenever Thor was angry, and he told about how he rode around his flying chariot, drawn by his goats which he would kill, eat and ressurrect, so he could ride around with them and eat them again. He was very fascinated about those goats. I think he would describe that Thor was angry because he was beating up jotnar, which is just interpreted as trolls here in Scandinavia. For some reason we really like our trolls in Scandinavian culture. Sometimes they're friendly, but usually they're more like pranksters. I like to belief that trolls are just our deeprooted culture, and an accurate representation of what the jotnar are supposed to be. Trolls are ofcourse also varying amounts of magical, explaining their "anti-god" powers. The scandinavian troll is short, fat, strong, hairy, they may have small horns and they have a tail; but they're still humanoid. Their tails are really important for some reason, like it's the source of their power or something. To me, trolls and jotnar (or "jætte" in danish) are like synonyms, it describes the same creature but are used in different contexts. Back in like, grade 3, or around that time, we went on a school trip to a castle/museum place, and as part of the trip, we were told a few of the stories from norse mythology. We were a bunch of kids and a few teachers sitting around this storyteller, who told of a few of the different myths, one of them being with the jotnar building the wall with the horse. I enjoy believing that i'm a relic of the oral tradition. Although my father is a huge fan of the Valhalla animated movie, and definitely has just told a few stories depicted in that movie to me. But there's certainly a large difference between how scandinavians experience norse mythology, and how the rest of the world does. To us, it's mostly just a bunch of cozy stories that can be scary to kids, and with healthy dose of godly violence. It's deifnitely the rest of the world that has focused a lot more on the violence and powerful gods part, as it makes for great entertainment for the industry. But in its roots, i believe that the myths are equally meant to be entertaining oral stories, as a pantheon to belief in. Okay i got a bit carried away in writing that. To answer your question, I don't entirely remember but i think he would tell stories of Thor beating up baddies.
Lightning comes from Thor riding across the sky and throwing his hammer at giants/trolls, because lightning is created every time the hammer strikes the ground. So if someones house is struck by lightning it means there was a giant/troll living there or nearby, and people killed by lightning might have been giants/trolls in disguise and not real humans. We're lucky to have Thor protecting us from such evil.
Knowledge of Thor, his hammer, his equipment and his goats are very common knowledge in Scandinavia. We're taught it in school, and we treasure it dearly. To us, Marvel is just a creative interpretation, and their version of Thor has absolutely nothing to do with the God, he's just a superhero. So when people genuinely think that's how Thor works, it hurts our little Scandi hearts :(
Out of curiosity, what would you personally say is worse? People thinking Marvel's Thor is accurate, or people thinking Thor is a creation of Marvel and not knowing Norse Mythology is a thing? Because I have seen people who did not know Norse Myth was a thing or assume Thor was Greek Myth
@@delanovanraalte3646 One was a friend of mine so yes, the other (the one never heard of Norse Myth) was from a Facebook group so I'm unsure about them
I knew what "Lifted only by a worthy one" is definetly Stan Lee's touch, but the fact what Thor can neither fly nor *shoot lightning* just blows my mind
@@orkoskang7967 Well, in the original comics, it was some white blonde and blue-eyed guy named Donald Blake who found the hammer (disguised as a stick). Because he was worthy of the hammer, Donald Blake gained the powers (and clothing) of Thor, so weak and lame (literally) Donald Blake became a muscle-bound version of himself (blonde etc) with the powers of Thor. He wasn't the god Thor, he was just a guy with the powers of Thor. Except, just like mythology, details just sort of change over time. Soon, Donald-Blake-who-looks-like-Thor was meeting the real Loki and we discovered that Asgard really existed, and soon we found out that Donald Blake was somehow turning into the real god Thor, which means that this blonde muscle-bound guy must be the real Thor. And then we found out that Donald Blake wasn't really a person. Instead, Thor had been transformed (by Odin) into Donald Blake (who didn't know he was really Thor) to teach him humility, so when he found the stick, he was transforming from Thor-disguised-as-Donald-Blake into actual-real-Thor. Comics are weird.
I got interested because of GoW. Since then I got obsessed with Norse mythology for some reason and wants to know more so I watched a lot of Jackson Crawford and Jake's videos. And I'm planning to buy the poetic edda and the prose edda
I like to imagine thunder and lightning are a byproduct of Thor. Like, he hits things to hard due to his immense strength is sounds like a thunderclap, and he hits things so fast the friction creates lightning. In this way, he doesn't CONTROL these things, but they happen because of him (pure speculation)
I've read somewhere that was why Thor needed the iron gloves. The friction from his swings heated up his hammer and he'd burn himself otherwise. Whether this is from some book of myths or an RPG or the like, I forget.
I always imagine the thunder is meant to be the resulting sound of him swinging his hammer and lightning are the sparks that fly off (same way iron that hits flint produces sparks).
I don't think friction in general creats electricity. Like, rubbing a carpet will, but I'm not going to make a lightning bolt by scraping my hand on pavement.
thor is actually a powerlifter. 50%of his life revolves around eating and other 50% around lifting a piece of metal he even wears a belt that gives him streanght
The worth part in the movies is explained in the first Thor movie, Odin puts that spell there to teach humility to Thor, but decides to just keep that magic there. The problem is that people really believe the hammer was always like that when it is not.
It was actually Jack Kirby's idea. Pittsburg was an industrial power house back then, and this was reflected in the comic. Also, Jim shooter being born there is very coincidental but cool.
Really? I thought that the Norse mythology told of Vinland, the Scandinvaian colony in Canada, was where Mjolnir was reforged. Pretty sure that, if you read it correctly, it says that the hammer was reforged in Happy Valley Goose Bay. Read carefully next time. @@haroldmetsfan7068
That is actually something we say at least here in Norway, that when its thundering, Tor (yes, not with an H) is out and about. I think it was more common years ago tho. But yes, here he is known as the thunder god
I’m not sure where I heard this (either in school or the Penguin Book of Norse Myths) but apparently the sound of thunder comes from the rumble of Thor’s chariot wheels
Marvels thor does have the belt, but especially in the mcu it doesnt seem to be that important as it is never mention outside of spider man, where iron mans bodyguard is unable to pronounce its name
I'd love to see an analysis of that Valhalla cartoon, it's the only thing I can think of adapting Thor in modern times that isn't basing itself on Marvel's interpretation.
@@alphastark20 i love that version of thor but even he has some attributes that came from marvel like calling the hammer even when it's resting, it shoots out lightning and i guess the cape
@@watermeloneo That's........ from Norse Mythology. Did you not know that all 3 characteristics you mentioned are from Norse Mythology? Marvel did not make those rules and powers. Marvel and God of War: Ragnarok both took those from the source material: The Norse Mythology book, Prose Edda. Thor in God of War Ragnarok is a more accurate to the source material and is better than Marvel Thor in my opinion. Also God of War Ragnarok's Thor doesn't have a cape. He only had a fur coat at the beginning of the game. Not at all similar to Marvel Thor's cape.
@@alphastark20 I will admit, I do think God of wars Thor is much cooler than the MCU Thor. But I don't like him quite as much as I like Thor in Marvel comics or Thor from Avengers: Earths mightiest heroes. Though maybe that's just nostalgia talking, I dunno.
As someone who speaks Icelandic and know to some extent how to pronounce these names, I can not hold in my laughter 😂 Good job on these videos tho they are amazing and make me want to learn more about the actual sources and how accurate my 4th grade norse mythology books were
1:40 Back when I lived in the city, I owned a children's book of Norse Mythology. Despite being for kids and possibly abridged, it was surprisingly in-depth and contained beautiful artwork, detailing all the way from the beginning of creation to ragnarok. It might've just been their interpretation, but in that book, they explained after Mjolnir's creation, it remained searing, red-hot for the rest of time, so the iron gauntlets were necessary to protect Thor's hands from burning.
Where thunder lightning hits the ground there can be a hard twig like remains of melted or fused dirt, in old Sweden they are called Torsviggar, like Thors spike or Thor blade or needle. Vigg is an old Word for shape pointy thing.
In recent additions too the MCU we are told that Thor does not get his power through his hammer it is just a way that he can control it. We are lead to believe this until Thor Ragnarok where Thor then shows that he can use his lighting powers without his hammer
Marvel got a lot of things wrong with Thor. For example… Thor never fought beside a guy named Captain America. Thor never went to New York. Thor never fought robots. Is Thor even blonde? It’s like Marvel is clueless about Norse mythology.
In some interpretations of the myths, the sound of thunder is actually Thor throwing his hammer around (hence the old swedish word "Tordön" (Thor-boom/bigsound), probably has other scandinavian language parallels), and lightning was either Mjölner being thrown or the sparks from his goats hooves and the carriages wheels, so there is SOME link between Thor and lightning. I am unsure exactly when this part of the myth originated though.
Don't forget that the goats can be eaten and will resurrect the next day. There is even a story about how Tor is traveling with a young boy (Tjalve or someone idk, been a while) and at night they cook up the goats to eat. Tor tell him that he is not to break the bones of the goats to get to the marrow, cause then the goat will resurrect with a broken bone. Tjalve doesn't listen and breaks a bone to get to the marrow and the morning after, Tor notices one of his goats have a limp. Don't recall the rest of the story or the point of it. Tor gets mad or something. Source: I'm Swedish so stfu with your Marvel version. Also it's a comic book series that I read as a kid about the gods of Valhall. PS. Tors gauntlets are literally called "Järngrepp" which means "Iron grip". Still a word today.
almost forgot: The hammer is supposedly a throwing hammer kind (pointy almost anchor like shape). There is even a jewelry version that some people wear. I had one as a kid.
If I'm not mistaken the child was tricked by Loki to get the marrow during a trip to jotunheimen, in which the child was picked up, on their way there for reasons I don't recall. Also the Thor of marvel is a terrible take on the one in Norse mythology and should never be compared (the one in Norse mythology is better) I'm American but am very interested in Norse mythology and would love to know more of the TRUE tellings of the Norse lore
@@shaaazzzaamm5694 this rings true, something about saying "Tor just wants the best bit for himself, snap the bone and eat the marrow", but yeah I can't recall why they were traveling together.
Marvel didn't necessarily invent the idea of Thor's hammer channeling his powers, though they certainly popularized it. There were several more obscure comic book characters in the golden age and early silver age who gained Thor's powers by possessing his hammer.
Jack Kirby even thought of making Ragnarok in early inception. But Thor got popular, so Stan Lee said no. However, that laid the groundwork for New Gods and someone actually adapted Ragnarok in 2004 (they revived obviously, but at least we get to see Thor chewing out Iron Man for his shenanigans in Marvel Civil War).
I have really enjoyed your explanation of mythology. Have you done, or could you, an explanation of Yggdrasill? The World Tree seems to have either a eagle or a hawk and eagle at the top, who argues with a serpent at the bottom, using a gossipy shit-stirring squirrel as the messenger. (I know that can't be exactly it, but..?) It gets watered and tortured at its roots, too. P.S. is the squirrel considered a messenger god? And is the tree what completes the circle of Ragnarok?
I'm actually really excited to tell my little brothers about Norse mythology, I'm not kidding when I say I didn't think it was a thing before you came to make videos.
It's a whole other mythical hammer from Finnic mythology that makes lightning and thunder, called Ukko's Hammer. UKko's hammer also makes falling snakes and burning sparks. And the sparks from these are the most dangerous because one spark can burn everything on the surface of the earth and create mountain-high tsunamis.
I’m not Scandinavian at all but by god do Norse myths, folklore, religion, and traditions fascinate me so much. I’ve been writing a world and I’ve been including as much of it as I can, while still trying to be respectful. I love it unendingly. Secondly, as another guy said, I see the Mcu’s Thor as a superhero with no legitimate ties to the mythological Thor. I really hope more people take interest in the REAL God of Thunder.
I always thought the thunder aspect of Thor is about the striking of the hammer. When a hammer clashes against metal it makes a resounding boom that resembles that of a thunder. So I thought that's why people associated his name and battles to thunder, it would represent him striking his armored enemies. He's not god of lightning - different from Zeus, who actually wielded lightning bolts. But people don't call him god of thunder; he's more associated with the flash aspect of an electrical discharge from the clouds than with his sound. At least to my knowledge.
thanks for explaining this stuff. helps me know some more about it. I don't hate the MCU, but it's upsetting to me cause it's not accurate. I appreciate knowing the specific details though.
Pfft! It's less accurate than the comics are! They made Hela ODIN'S daughter in the MCU! Even the comics got it right that she's LOKI'S daughter! Also, she WASN'T the one who shatter Mjolnir in the Ragnarok event in the comics. Loki managed to steal the mold for the hammer from Eitri, who was attempting to destroy it to keep it out of his hands but failed and died in the attempt. Loki then took the mold to Surtur to forge copies of Mjolnir, which Loki would give to a group of Thor's enemies led by "Fenris", Marvel's version of Fenrir who they made into a wolf-man. It was during a battle with those villains that Mjolnir shattered.
@@arcticdino1650 Yeah, but honestly, what I hate even more is that they not only switched around the colors of the Infinity Stones, but that they applied those changes to the MAIN COMICS! Now everyone's confused! Comic fans remember the Power Stone as being red, while MCU fans remember it as being purple, which it now is; MCU fans question why Doctor Strange doesn't use the Time Stone in The Oath storylines, while comic fans have to explain that he has a stone of the same color but with different powers! It's ridiculous!
I don't like things being changed in the comics to fit the movies (unless there is a good change) but there is at least one 616 comic that showed the gems as a completely different color arrangement from both how they are normally and the MCU (I think they even switch colors in the same comic). I also don't think the gems colors matter that much and I'm perfectly fine with them being switched, it's a magic space rock that can alter the universe, it's color being changed isn't as bad as making Hela Loki's sister or making Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (who were Magneto's kid who is himself Jewish) members of Hydra (why MCU, why?!)
In marvel infinity war it’s shown that Thor goes to some base near a dying star and when he’s about to be attacked he yells “eitri!” And the dwarf doesn’t attack him and he takes about how his people and his “brother” was killed
2:58 I was told as a kid that lightning happens when Thor strikes a giant, wonder where that came from. Also for the record this was before the Thor marvel movies.
Please do more Marvel vs Myth videos! This stuff is so fun and interesting 😭 shit even classic Disney films vs myth (i.e Hercules) would be so fun to watch!
marvel actually corrected the flying part in love and thunder as they brought the goats in but ive been interested in mythology for a long long time and i recommend that everyone should just give it a try as you will most likely love it
So that's why in D&D you need to be wearing a Belr of Giant Strength and Gauntlets of Ogre Power to wield a Hammer of Thunderbolts. Intetesting that that comes from mythology, or at least an interpretation of it.
Regarding Jarngreipr, based off the "cannot be without these when he grips the hammer's shaft" I can only presume his hammer is super slippery all the time, and the gloves are super grippy.
Something really annoying is when people think Thor is a character made by marvel , and whenever I bring Thor up in Conversation people just aren’t interested because they think I’m talking about Marvel movies.
Also, Thor is a fertility God because he's a farm God, too. So the rain and thunder and all of that he's connected because he's fertilizing the field with his hammer.Yes that is an innuendo
the sound of thunder comes from thor riding across the sky with his wagon and goats, which is why he is the thunder god, atleast from my understanding. (saw this video over like 2 hours, so if he said this then sorry for the explaination)
A lot of people complain about the worthiness thing, I think that was just an addition to make the hammer unique to Thor, when your porting him to a massive expanded universe full of gods and higher dimensions you can't have Thor be litterally the strongest person ever to the point no one can handle his weapon but him
well in the myths thor dies to Poison, which is way less dangerous then what thor in marvel faces and marvel already has a ton of op characters so I think the worthiness part was stan lee doing something different and more interesting
The idea of the parent comforting his kid with Thor's story during a thunderstorm is really endearing :)
As a Scandinavian, I experienced something similar. My father would teach me about Thor when there was lightning, not in a formal or academic way, but the same way his parents probably told him when he was a child.
@@justabiscuit1794did he ever say anything about Thor hammering on monsters or was it just Thor walking around,
@@beartheconfused6798 I don't remember. He told that lightning came whenever Thor was angry, and he told about how he rode around his flying chariot, drawn by his goats which he would kill, eat and ressurrect, so he could ride around with them and eat them again. He was very fascinated about those goats. I think he would describe that Thor was angry because he was beating up jotnar, which is just interpreted as trolls here in Scandinavia. For some reason we really like our trolls in Scandinavian culture. Sometimes they're friendly, but usually they're more like pranksters. I like to belief that trolls are just our deeprooted culture, and an accurate representation of what the jotnar are supposed to be. Trolls are ofcourse also varying amounts of magical, explaining their "anti-god" powers. The scandinavian troll is short, fat, strong, hairy, they may have small horns and they have a tail; but they're still humanoid. Their tails are really important for some reason, like it's the source of their power or something. To me, trolls and jotnar (or "jætte" in danish) are like synonyms, it describes the same creature but are used in different contexts.
Back in like, grade 3, or around that time, we went on a school trip to a castle/museum place, and as part of the trip, we were told a few of the stories from norse mythology. We were a bunch of kids and a few teachers sitting around this storyteller, who told of a few of the different myths, one of them being with the jotnar building the wall with the horse.
I enjoy believing that i'm a relic of the oral tradition. Although my father is a huge fan of the Valhalla animated movie, and definitely has just told a few stories depicted in that movie to me. But there's certainly a large difference between how scandinavians experience norse mythology, and how the rest of the world does. To us, it's mostly just a bunch of cozy stories that can be scary to kids, and with healthy dose of godly violence. It's deifnitely the rest of the world that has focused a lot more on the violence and powerful gods part, as it makes for great entertainment for the industry. But in its roots, i believe that the myths are equally meant to be entertaining oral stories, as a pantheon to belief in.
Okay i got a bit carried away in writing that. To answer your question, I don't entirely remember but i think he would tell stories of Thor beating up baddies.
when i was younger i deadass thought that Thor was angry and would destroy me when it thundered
Lightning comes from Thor riding across the sky and throwing his hammer at giants/trolls, because lightning is created every time the hammer strikes the ground. So if someones house is struck by lightning it means there was a giant/troll living there or nearby, and people killed by lightning might have been giants/trolls in disguise and not real humans. We're lucky to have Thor protecting us from such evil.
Knowledge of Thor, his hammer, his equipment and his goats are very common knowledge in Scandinavia. We're taught it in school, and we treasure it dearly. To us, Marvel is just a creative interpretation, and their version of Thor has absolutely nothing to do with the God, he's just a superhero. So when people genuinely think that's how Thor works, it hurts our little Scandi hearts :(
thank you for saying it (swede)
Unfortunately less common in some places in Scandinavia, at least where I am from in Norway has not really taught a lot of the norse mythology.
Out of curiosity, what would you personally say is worse? People thinking Marvel's Thor is accurate, or people thinking Thor is a creation of Marvel and not knowing Norse Mythology is a thing? Because I have seen people who did not know Norse Myth was a thing or assume Thor was Greek Myth
@@VXMasterson they are Americans weren't they
@@delanovanraalte3646 One was a friend of mine so yes, the other (the one never heard of Norse Myth) was from a Facebook group so I'm unsure about them
You just gotta love Jake, good quality content, derpy and fun without sacrificing truth, and swiftly made.
He also basically said “Go enjoy marvel if you want I don’t care” which is nice
The more author jokes about what they're talking about, the more trustworthy they are
The d riding is crazy
I knew what "Lifted only by a worthy one" is definetly Stan Lee's touch, but the fact what Thor can neither fly nor *shoot lightning* just blows my mind
The thunder is from his goats puling his wagon so fast..
Also, why is he white, blonde and blue eyed? He is not Captain America or Warbird.
@@orkoskang7967because no actor is 7ft tall with a giant red beard with a fat muscular build.
Blond buff dude is much easier.
@@orkoskang7967 Well, in the original comics, it was some white blonde and blue-eyed guy named Donald Blake who found the hammer (disguised as a stick). Because he was worthy of the hammer, Donald Blake gained the powers (and clothing) of Thor, so weak and lame (literally) Donald Blake became a muscle-bound version of himself (blonde etc) with the powers of Thor. He wasn't the god Thor, he was just a guy with the powers of Thor. Except, just like mythology, details just sort of change over time. Soon, Donald-Blake-who-looks-like-Thor was meeting the real Loki and we discovered that Asgard really existed, and soon we found out that Donald Blake was somehow turning into the real god Thor, which means that this blonde muscle-bound guy must be the real Thor. And then we found out that Donald Blake wasn't really a person. Instead, Thor had been transformed (by Odin) into Donald Blake (who didn't know he was really Thor) to teach him humility, so when he found the stick, he was transforming from Thor-disguised-as-Donald-Blake into actual-real-Thor. Comics are weird.
@@SimonMoon5yes they are
Just because of his videos it got me really interested in mythology.
I got interested because of GoW. Since then I got obsessed with Norse mythology for some reason and wants to know more so I watched a lot of Jackson Crawford and Jake's videos. And I'm planning to buy the poetic edda and the prose edda
Same,
This and GOW 2018.
@@porc1429 same
I like to imagine thunder and lightning are a byproduct of Thor. Like, he hits things to hard due to his immense strength is sounds like a thunderclap, and he hits things so fast the friction creates lightning. In this way, he doesn't CONTROL these things, but they happen because of him (pure speculation)
I like this interpretation.
Yeah growing up i always assumed that he would make thunder by just throwing his hammer super hard to make the noise.
I've read somewhere that was why Thor needed the iron gloves. The friction from his swings heated up his hammer and he'd burn himself otherwise. Whether this is from some book of myths or an RPG or the like, I forget.
I always imagine the thunder is meant to be the resulting sound of him swinging his hammer and lightning are the sparks that fly off (same way iron that hits flint produces sparks).
I don't think friction in general creats electricity. Like, rubbing a carpet will, but I'm not going to make a lightning bolt by scraping my hand on pavement.
thor is actually a powerlifter. 50%of his life revolves around eating and other 50% around lifting a piece of metal he even wears a belt that gives him streanght
you forgot about the 50% goofing off and being Trans to get his hammer back.
@@AizzurasReaper i think that's something marvel did
The worth part in the movies is explained in the first Thor movie, Odin puts that spell there to teach humility to Thor, but decides to just keep that magic there. The problem is that people really believe the hammer was always like that when it is not.
in the comics mjolnir is filled with a sentient cosmic storm, and mjolnir itself decides who is worthy
@@kingfetchd9889 honestly the sentient storm thing is pretty hardcore
2:22 never expected Leslie and Brianne to appear in a Norse mythology video of all places lol
The gays
My favorite Marvel Thor mythology is that his hammer was reforged in Pittsburgh, wonder if that was in the classic myths as well.
That’s another thing marvel got wrong smh. in the poem Thorskviða, it’s revealed that mjolnir was reforged in Saint Cloud, Minnesota
Probably Jim Shooter, whose hometown is Pittsburgh.
It was actually Jack Kirby's idea. Pittsburg was an industrial power house back then, and this was reflected in the comic. Also, Jim shooter being born there is very coincidental but cool.
*Mythology Guy sarcastic voice* I know this is going to shock you, but Pittsburgh did not exist in Norse mythology.
Really? I thought that the Norse mythology told of Vinland, the Scandinvaian colony in Canada, was where Mjolnir was reforged. Pretty sure that, if you read it correctly, it says that the hammer was reforged in Happy Valley Goose Bay. Read carefully next time. @@haroldmetsfan7068
That is actually something we say at least here in Norway, that when its thundering, Tor (yes, not with an H) is out and about.
I think it was more common years ago tho.
But yes, here he is known as the thunder god
We say it in Sweden too! But ive also heard that he goes out when hes mad. And when lightning strikes he smiths with his hammer.
love the leslie and brianne cameo
I’m not sure where I heard this (either in school or the Penguin Book of Norse Myths) but apparently the sound of thunder comes from the rumble of Thor’s chariot wheels
that makes a lot of sense
Heard this as well
Damn bro thanks for this video, I’ve been showing my BOY this so he can learn more about Norse mythos since we are currently in one
Boy
@@trojanhorse1247 Girl
@@HopeRock425 he specifically said S O N are you dyslexic?
Bro you should check out Egypt or India whenever you get the chance
@@KOCChristian I’ve heard of Egypt but not of India *out of character*
Marvels thor does have the belt, but especially in the mcu it doesnt seem to be that important as it is never mention outside of spider man, where iron mans bodyguard is unable to pronounce its name
I forgot about that.
Jakes video’s is the only reason I’ve kept my insanity👏🏽🙏🏼
As a Scandinavian myself I can tell you that even today some parents still tell their kids that the thunder is just Tor messing about.
I'd love to see an analysis of that Valhalla cartoon, it's the only thing I can think of adapting Thor in modern times that isn't basing itself on Marvel's interpretation.
God of War Ragnarok maybe? Their version of Thor is my personal favourite.
@@alphastark20 i love that version of thor but even he has some attributes that came from marvel like calling the hammer even when it's resting, it shoots out lightning and i guess the cape
@@watermeloneo That's........ from Norse Mythology. Did you not know that all 3 characteristics you mentioned are from Norse Mythology? Marvel did not make those rules and powers. Marvel and God of War: Ragnarok both took those from the source material: The Norse Mythology book, Prose Edda.
Thor in God of War Ragnarok is a more accurate to the source material and is better than Marvel Thor in my opinion.
Also God of War Ragnarok's Thor doesn't have a cape. He only had a fur coat at the beginning of the game. Not at all similar to Marvel Thor's cape.
@@alphastark20
I will admit, I do think God of wars Thor is much cooler than the MCU Thor. But I don't like him quite as much as I like Thor in Marvel comics or Thor from Avengers: Earths mightiest heroes. Though maybe that's just nostalgia talking, I dunno.
The gloves were for protecting Thor’s hands from the burning hot handle of Mjolnir.
burning hot?
BOILING HOT?!
What, no Radiskull and Devil Doll fans here?
@@TurtTheGenocideTurtle Yeah, that’s how dangerous and powerful Mjolnir is.
I thought it was some form of lifting wrist strap
Man make these story’s funny, hilarious, comedic as well as educational
0:28 omg, you know about Peter Madsens Valhalla comics! They were a huge part of my childhood haha
As someone who speaks Icelandic and know to some extent how to pronounce these names, I can not hold in my laughter 😂
Good job on these videos tho they are amazing and make me want to learn more about the actual sources and how accurate my 4th grade norse mythology books were
Wild Leslie and Brianne spotting!
Woohoo!
2:22
Megingjard is also a thing in comics too, there’s several comics where Thor’s mentions it
3:13 Marvel Thor did receive two goats by the names of toothgrinder and toothgnasher in Thor: Love and Thunder. And yes, they can fly.
1:40 Back when I lived in the city, I owned a children's book of Norse Mythology. Despite being for kids and possibly abridged, it was surprisingly in-depth and contained beautiful artwork, detailing all the way from the beginning of creation to ragnarok. It might've just been their interpretation, but in that book, they explained after Mjolnir's creation, it remained searing, red-hot for the rest of time, so the iron gauntlets were necessary to protect Thor's hands from burning.
Where thunder lightning hits the ground there can be a hard twig like remains of melted or fused dirt, in old Sweden they are called Torsviggar, like Thors spike or Thor blade or needle. Vigg is an old Word for shape pointy thing.
2:09 does the belts name change to wombojard when you turn it upside down?
I understood that reference
Hmm I guess the whole it shrinks thing explains all the hammer necklaces
I'd conjecture that it's the other way around. People started wearing Mjolnir pendants so much it became a feature of the hammer itself
In recent additions too the MCU we are told that Thor does not get his power through his hammer it is just a way that he can control it. We are lead to believe this until Thor Ragnarok where Thor then shows that he can use his lighting powers without his hammer
Iron gloves and a hammer that returns to his hand?
Magnets.
Brokk showing Thor the hammer: It's called Mjolnir, or the lightning maker
Thor: so it can make lightning right?
Brokk:
Thor: Right?
Marvel got a lot of things wrong with Thor. For example… Thor never fought beside a guy named Captain America. Thor never went to New York. Thor never fought robots. Is Thor even blonde? It’s like Marvel is clueless about Norse mythology.
Man, I'm excited for the vid today
In some interpretations of the myths, the sound of thunder is actually Thor throwing his hammer around (hence the old swedish word "Tordön" (Thor-boom/bigsound), probably has other scandinavian language parallels), and lightning was either Mjölner being thrown or the sparks from his goats hooves and the carriages wheels, so there is SOME link between Thor and lightning.
I am unsure exactly when this part of the myth originated though.
0:27 Is that the danish Valhalla comic!?! My childhood is represented!!!
It was probably something like thunder is the sound of Thor bringing his hammer down and lightning was the sparks that flew from it
3:15 you could say that Thor owns a 'lamb'orgini
Don't forget that the goats can be eaten and will resurrect the next day. There is even a story about how Tor is traveling with a young boy (Tjalve or someone idk, been a while) and at night they cook up the goats to eat. Tor tell him that he is not to break the bones of the goats to get to the marrow, cause then the goat will resurrect with a broken bone. Tjalve doesn't listen and breaks a bone to get to the marrow and the morning after, Tor notices one of his goats have a limp.
Don't recall the rest of the story or the point of it. Tor gets mad or something.
Source: I'm Swedish so stfu with your Marvel version. Also it's a comic book series that I read as a kid about the gods of Valhall.
PS. Tors gauntlets are literally called "Järngrepp" which means "Iron grip". Still a word today.
almost forgot: The hammer is supposedly a throwing hammer kind (pointy almost anchor like shape). There is even a jewelry version that some people wear. I had one as a kid.
If I'm not mistaken the child was tricked by Loki to get the marrow during a trip to jotunheimen, in which the child was picked up, on their way there for reasons I don't recall. Also the Thor of marvel is a terrible take on the one in Norse mythology and should never be compared (the one in Norse mythology is better) I'm American but am very interested in Norse mythology and would love to know more of the TRUE tellings of the Norse lore
@@shaaazzzaamm5694 this rings true, something about saying "Tor just wants the best bit for himself, snap the bone and eat the marrow", but yeah I can't recall why they were traveling together.
I think I remember reading that the gloves were supposed to protect Thor from Mjolnir own might.
2:22 woah leslie and brianne!!
Marvel didn't necessarily invent the idea of Thor's hammer channeling his powers, though they certainly popularized it. There were several more obscure comic book characters in the golden age and early silver age who gained Thor's powers by possessing his hammer.
Jack Kirby even thought of making Ragnarok in early inception.
But Thor got popular, so Stan Lee said no.
However, that laid the groundwork for New Gods and someone actually adapted Ragnarok in 2004 (they revived obviously, but at least we get to see Thor chewing out Iron Man for his shenanigans in Marvel Civil War).
Marvel also did a Ragnarok in the 70's. Red Norvell debuted in the arc.
I have really enjoyed your explanation of mythology. Have you done, or could you, an explanation of Yggdrasill? The World Tree seems to have either a eagle or a hawk and eagle at the top, who argues with a serpent at the bottom, using a gossipy shit-stirring squirrel as the messenger. (I know that can't be exactly it, but..?) It gets watered and tortured at its roots, too.
P.S. is the squirrel considered a messenger god? And is the tree what completes the circle of Ragnarok?
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I have a question for you Jake. Is the book Valhalla ( shown at 0:26 ) popular? Because i haven't seen it outside Denmark?
I'm actually really excited to tell my little brothers about Norse mythology, I'm not kidding when I say I didn't think it was a thing before you came to make videos.
omg leslie and brianne reference!
I'd love to see a new series on aztec/latin mythology! I love his animations
It's a whole other mythical hammer from Finnic mythology that makes lightning and thunder, called Ukko's Hammer. UKko's hammer also makes falling snakes and burning sparks. And the sparks from these are the most dangerous because one spark can burn everything on the surface of the earth and create mountain-high tsunamis.
I’m not Scandinavian at all but by god do Norse myths, folklore, religion, and traditions fascinate me so much. I’ve been writing a world and I’ve been including as much of it as I can, while still trying to be respectful. I love it unendingly.
Secondly, as another guy said, I see the Mcu’s Thor as a superhero with no legitimate ties to the mythological Thor. I really hope more people take interest in the REAL God of Thunder.
2:26 I hope I’m not the only one that saw leslie and brianne there
Can always go with the records of ragnarok theory that jarngreipr was made to protect his hammer from being gripped to hard
Thor's goats are the GOAT goats.
I always thought the thunder aspect of Thor is about the striking of the hammer. When a hammer clashes against metal it makes a resounding boom that resembles that of a thunder. So I thought that's why people associated his name and battles to thunder, it would represent him striking his armored enemies.
He's not god of lightning - different from Zeus, who actually wielded lightning bolts. But people don't call him god of thunder; he's more associated with the flash aspect of an electrical discharge from the clouds than with his sound. At least to my knowledge.
Mjolnir can also bring his goated goats back to life, and bless marriages and funerals.
İ am wondering why they added "blessing marriages" to a hammer? İn a how awkward situation thor needs it?
@@herseydahil3889 its just supposed to be an honor type thing. Honestly, idk either...
Gotta love jake
What would happen If you put Megingjard on Wumbo mode?
Just like Thor's belt mentioning it makes you twice as cool
thanks for explaining this stuff. helps me know some more about it. I don't hate the MCU, but it's upsetting to me cause it's not accurate. I appreciate knowing the specific details though.
Pfft! It's less accurate than the comics are! They made Hela ODIN'S daughter in the MCU! Even the comics got it right that she's LOKI'S daughter! Also, she WASN'T the one who shatter Mjolnir in the Ragnarok event in the comics. Loki managed to steal the mold for the hammer from Eitri, who was attempting to destroy it to keep it out of his hands but failed and died in the attempt. Loki then took the mold to Surtur to forge copies of Mjolnir, which Loki would give to a group of Thor's enemies led by "Fenris", Marvel's version of Fenrir who they made into a wolf-man. It was during a battle with those villains that Mjolnir shattered.
@@videogollumer yeah I heard about that with Hela. That upsets me so badly.
@@videogollumer It's so weird that the MCU changed those things
@@arcticdino1650 Yeah, but honestly, what I hate even more is that they not only switched around the colors of the Infinity Stones, but that they applied those changes to the MAIN COMICS! Now everyone's confused! Comic fans remember the Power Stone as being red, while MCU fans remember it as being purple, which it now is; MCU fans question why Doctor Strange doesn't use the Time Stone in The Oath storylines, while comic fans have to explain that he has a stone of the same color but with different powers! It's ridiculous!
I don't like things being changed in the comics to fit the movies (unless there is a good change) but there is at least one 616 comic that showed the gems as a completely different color arrangement from both how they are normally and the MCU (I think they even switch colors in the same comic). I also don't think the gems colors matter that much and I'm perfectly fine with them being switched, it's a magic space rock that can alter the universe, it's color being changed isn't as bad as making Hela Loki's sister or making Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (who were Magneto's kid who is himself Jewish) members of Hydra (why MCU, why?!)
In marvel infinity war it’s shown that Thor goes to some base near a dying star and when he’s about to be attacked he yells “eitri!” And the dwarf doesn’t attack him and he takes about how his people and his “brother” was killed
2:58 I was told as a kid that lightning happens when Thor strikes a giant, wonder where that came from.
Also for the record this was before the Thor marvel movies.
Please do more Marvel vs Myth videos! This stuff is so fun and interesting 😭 shit even classic Disney films vs myth (i.e Hercules) would be so fun to watch!
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I heard somewhere that thunder is the sounds of his heavy ass wagon
marvel actually corrected the flying part in love and thunder as they brought the goats in but ive been interested in mythology for a long long time and i recommend that everyone should just give it a try as you will most likely love it
2:40 HEY THATS THE LETTER THORN
Thor also do have his goats in both the MCU and the comics, he doesn’t use them bc Mjölnir can fly, but he still keeps them around
just found this channel. JAKE YOU ARE AMAZING!!!
That last part with the goats had me tweakin.
I like the idea that Myjolnir is just slippery.
Thor’s hammer in marvel doesn’t make lightning either it just helps him channel it and control it easier like a conduit
Then how did Captain America use lighnting?
So that's why in D&D you need to be wearing a Belr of Giant Strength and Gauntlets of Ogre Power to wield a Hammer of Thunderbolts. Intetesting that that comes from mythology, or at least an interpretation of it.
2:23 I see you jake
You know in an anime about Ragnarok ,Thor is said to wear glove because he’s strong enough to destroy mjolnir unless it’s activated. I guess
I literally just realized that the two goats are in Thor love and thunder
Yoooooo Leslie and Brianne refrence!!!
I mean, God of War is very accurate along it’s mythologies, besides the obvious changes like Kratos being Zeus’ son, Loki being Kratos’ son, etc
Don't forget the fact that you're able to hurt Balder.
Leslie and Brianne Jumpscare 😨 2:22
I have grrown up reading valhalla (the comic 0:26)
when i was little i was told that when we heard thunder it was Thor riding with his goats in the sky above the clouds
Regarding Jarngreipr, based off the "cannot be without these when he grips the hammer's shaft" I can only presume his hammer is super slippery all the time, and the gloves are super grippy.
But he can only hold it with one hand, does that mean he technically only needs to wear one glove at a time.
0:06 the first time I heard about Thor was actually in the Serie Star gate lol
Something really annoying is when people think Thor is a character made by marvel , and whenever I bring Thor up in Conversation people just aren’t interested because they think I’m talking about Marvel movies.
I learned about Thor from the movie Adventures In Babysitting. 😂
Well, Marvel did introduce goats in “Love and Thunder”.
2:25 Just two girl "Roomates" holding hands and nothing else
Also, Thor is a fertility God because he's a farm God, too. So the rain and thunder and all of that he's connected because he's fertilizing the field with his hammer.Yes that is an innuendo
the sound of thunder comes from thor riding across the sky with his wagon and goats, which is why he is the thunder god, atleast from my understanding. (saw this video over like 2 hours, so if he said this then sorry for the explaination)
Wonder if he will do a video on stuff dc got wrong on greek mythology.
You should do a video on the epic of Gilgamesh
WOOO!!!! NORSE MYTHOLOGY!!!!!
Could you do a video on ragnarok I really want to learn more about it please
death by super fast goat
i wouldn't be mad at that
A lot of people complain about the worthiness thing, I think that was just an addition to make the hammer unique to Thor, when your porting him to a massive expanded universe full of gods and higher dimensions you can't have Thor be litterally the strongest person ever to the point no one can handle his weapon but him
well in the myths thor dies to Poison, which is way less dangerous then what thor in marvel faces and marvel already has a ton of op characters so I think the worthiness part was stan lee doing something different and more interesting
We gotta get this wagon to 88 miles per hour Loki, or else we'll never get back to the future.
Originally anyone could wield the hammer. Until Odin added an enchantment
So it’s not a rule the hammer always had it was something added onto it
Jake: that’s actually cooler than the marvel version
Marvel fans: So you have chosen death
Me- Thors hammer can channel lightning.
Jake- No it doesn...
Me- IT CAN CHANNEL LIGHTNING,
I live in sweden and when i was little my parents always said that when its thundering its Thor driving across the clouds with his goats.