Gaijin: "Ghost of Tsushima is a master piece of Western interpretation" Gaijin: *THIS DLC IS TRASH SACRALIGIOUS BLASPHOMY, BURN IT WITH THE FLAMES OF AMATURASTSU* Goomba: *"Stop it, Get some help"*
@@GaijinGoombah it makes sense in that regard. It’s Legends, a weird retelling of Events of the core game with a much more exaggerated outrageous things. Especially with the Mongols bringing a horde of demons down on Tsushima and their actually being multiple Ghosts to stop it all of which take elements of what Jin was as the Ghost. Turning a normal invasion of foreign raiders into demonic doom bringers and corrupting their lands in horrible ways. It sounds like a legend mixed with some good old fashioned propaganda and historical embellishment.
@@GaijinGoombah when you said that yokai eat human liver to gain power, will said power drain if they haven’t eaten a liver in in a while, or will the power never go away?
The idea that Legends is basically just Gyozen's wild fanfic is actually kind of supported by the PCs in the game as well as the NPCs. If you take a look at the faces behind the masks, all 3 males are clearly just Jin with glowy eyes, and the archer is Yuna. These "four heroes" are just two of the major players in the actual events being attributed to four people in some kinda reverse Robin Hood because it Gyozen thinks it makes the story better.
I think that it reflects the 3 paths that Jin takes. The Samurai, the Ronin, the Assasin, then the Ghost. It also fits with the 4 illustrations that you see when you rank up after killing mongols. The Samurai: The Broken Samurai, The Wandering Samurai, The People's Hope Ronin: The Unyielding Wind, The Shadow Samurai, The Hero of Tsushima, The Avenging Guardian Assasin: The Phantom Samurai, The Demon's Blade, The Raging Storm Ghost: The Ghost of Tsushima They can also reflect the many ways how you approach an enemy. You face them head on, You fight without hesitation, from the shadows or with a powerful unnatural force.
I mean is literally called "Legends" & most legends are highly exaggerated tales written by people so yeah it makes a lot more sense that the whole plot would be a huge stage play
I think....I don't think that Gyozen's story is so yokai heavy because he's trying to make a play. I think it's so Yokai heavy because he wants to talk about the history of Tsushima, but he can't fully understand the events around because he's blind so he uses Supernatural aspects to fill in the blanks of whatever he doesn't understand because he couldn't see it
The only problem is then, that if that's true, he has a very surface level (at most) understanding of Yokai and folklore though XD My guess? He was probably just some guy, with no aspirations, probably a fisherman or something, with no real knowledge of folklore, and had an accident that caused him to go blind. After losing one of his most important senses, bumbling through life for a little while in the dark, he likely went mad, and then the Mongol invasion of Tsushima that happened right after just tipped the pot over.
Honestly, I just love how Legends is "canon noncanon" meaning that it's all noncanon, but it is all being told be Gyozen to people in the game, including Jin.
To Gaijin's final question: BOTH. Obivously. Infact the inaccuracies might be he's trying to make a story for foreigners to grasp at too. Aka mongols... Japan has livers.. but do mongols have a "go for the liver" thing? If it's the heart.. bam there is your final answer. The whole heart thing is ment to tell the Mongols...if you come to our country.. you will be nothing more then a puppet.
@@kotlolish It's likely just SuckerPunch using more recognizable imagery for the intended western audiences (the intended market). While livers would be more accurate, "heart" is much more recognizable and understood by westerners, since they might be confused why there is a focus on liver otherwise. It might also just be that SuckerPunch just didn't know. During the original production of the main game, they had Japanese historians on hand to consult for accuracy, but likely didn't have that luxury for FREE multilayer DLC and probably just Googled a list of Yokai to smash together as villains.
Despite all this though, i just love that Legends and Gyozen’s tales really just highlights “The Ghost of Tsushima” legend. Despite the reality, a lot of people think there were multiple Ghosts rather than just Jin Sakai. Gyozen is just telling us (the players) how the people of Tsushima spread the tale of the Ghost. It’s amazing!
I was considering that everytime in a single player you see Gyozen from various locations as well as his quotes. It's like he's passive yet crazy for making up stories while leaving small papers with black paintings.
The whole story of GoT Legends kept bothering me so much because of how poorly it kept to the actual legends of yokai, but when you mentioned the thing about Gyozen, a lot of it suddenly stopped bothering me. The story would only make sense if it were all just an old man's fan-fic. It also makes sense now why the Japanese dub changed Iyo from an Onibaba to a Hannya.
Actually, the mask on the offering chest makes sense. It's a mockery of a holy, pure shrine. Feels like beings like oni would delight in mocking a holy object in that way
That moment when the emphasis/explanation on the liver in folklore in this video finally makes a scene in Onimusha make a LOT more sense. Keep up the amazing work as always!
"are all of these near horror fantasy elements just Sucker Punch having fun, or is there a message here about the insanity of no production plots?" Can't it be both? The second being the excuse for the first?
The sealing a evil being in a thing of good (in this case the statue of a monju bosatsu) is somewhat of a trope since the thinking behind it is that the evil being will be weakened if it is sealed where good dwells.
Excellent analysis and content as always I find the interpretation that this is just the ramblings of a blind writer trying to write a play really interesting! Thanks for your amazing work gaijin!
Yes I had a similar feeling. It's kind of a like that one time extra credits made a reference to him. I take it as he's such a big an influence on the video game community
Hmm... Maybe this why they are corrupted. They are opposite of regular yokai and mongol / foreign wielding powers. Because these stories are told innocently and these yo kai are the way they are.
This is even brought up in the single player because on iki island there's an npc who is obsessed with his stories and wants you to tell her about his last story (the fires of Yuri Kawa) and in order to tell her about them Jin needs to "listen to the story" by you playing the last chapter of the story mode
It feels like an intern tripped while holding the folders for the boss. A vengeful spirit that shakes the government seems like the one to be the big bad. Imagine if a Mongol became a yokai and becoming part of the spiritual world of the country that he died in made him more powerful.
Well, now that the Iki Island expansion got released, we basically got confirmation that these are just stories told by a blind guy. Jin and an npc say that his stories bring light and entertainment during the hard times of the invasion, which I think is really cool
Tengu I could also see - "If you help us take these lands, you'll not only get the mountains all to yourself, but even MORE territory to control as you desire" Bam, reason for the Tengu to help outsiders
Even before playing legends, i already know this is a retelling of the mongol invasion of tsushima in a exaggerate way. But it's nice seeing the japanese folklore being mention in this game. Not only they tackle a the real life event, but also their mythology. Sucker Punch outdid themselves this time 👏
I don’t really know much about japanese folklore but man i loved fighting the ghosts they were hard to fight against, they were fun to hunt down since you can only hear them and see them ~sometimes~ i love this game
Actually me and a buddy had a fun little thought. Since most of the enemies you encounter in the game (outside of a scant few variants) are still the mongols we think that, basically the "ghosts" are warriors inspired by Jin Sakai, running around Tsushima and taking out Mongols, and Gyozen is just hyperboling the $#@$ out of their deeds to the stuff of myth and legend. So they didn't Stop a Mongol Shipment of slaves, they STOPED A DEMONIC RITUAL AND THWARTED A ONI FROM STEALING PEOPLE'S SOULS.
I can't help but wonder if part of the inconsistencies with Japanese lore if the fact the Mongolians were involved. Consider that for best example the draining of the three kamis would end the world.. According to Japanese lore and culture.. But said kamis may not be world ending if drained to the Mongolians. Who have different beliefs. To them they would just see them as power sources to make them more powerful. As for the hearts.. Well the onibaba was not eating them but using them on said mongolians to give them powers not herself.
From a production standpoint: a lot of resources were initially used in the base game to research the historical setting for the game. DLC in contrast has a much smaller production cycle, meaning a lot less time to do research on the supernatural aspects of Japanese folklore, meaning less proper representation of elements.
I'd like to second this message about Bokksu. Just got my third box. So I have experience with it. My ONLY complaint is shipping prices from Japan to East Coast USA when I buy separate items in their market. Besides that, it scores a solid A. And "A/10" in other words.
i think it's a combination of both the Noh Play and the developers of Sucker punch just having fun. I mean what better way to make an interesting DLC than including a small tidbit to the hilarity and over the topness of Noh plays by making it a non sensical fun battle romp in a DLC with no connecting sense to the historical Yokai at all. If anything this DLC literally just seems to be a "Lets just have some fuckin fun with it" kinda thing that also seems to be a small narration or oral story to pass down to younger generations to make it seem like Japan was up against some seriously stacked odds.
I noticed a super small portion of the things you mentioned but damn goombah with the call out. This theory makes a lot of sense. Can approve. Also the mode is fun.
One of the things that makes your theory fall apart for me is what you mentioned about Gyozen being able to write. While Gyozen is able to write, he writes too neatly and uniformly, consistently. That's almost way too well for a blind person. Not to mention his drawings all include great detail. Secondly, we do not know for certain whether Gyozen is truly blind or not. All we see is an old man with bandages wrapped around his eyes, and he does seem to be aware of things around him, although it is plausible his other senses are trained. However, we do not know whether Gyozen was born blind, or if he became blind via an injury. We also do not know how long he has been blind, if he is truly blind. Also, when you approach Gyozen, sometimes he says that he specifically knew in person, a man who made a deal with tengu, aka Uchitsune, since Uchitsune is the only character in "Ghost of Tsushima" who was said to have interacted with a tengu. Especially considering you encounter a man wearing a tengu mask when trying to find Uchitsune's longbow. Also, Gyozen seems to be aware that there is only one Ghost. Whenever I've approached him in the single player game, he always addresses Jin in the singular or as "my lord", never in the plural. Lastly, not everyone in "Ghost of Tsushima: Legends" wears a mask. One of the outfits for the hunter, the special outfit with the "Horizon Zero Dawn" theme, doesn't include a mask, just a headband. On a last note, you have yet to do a video on what you think of "The Tale of Iyo."
I'm a bit late, but also a bit obsessed with legends so let me try to make a few things a bit clearer. Iyo is obsessed with taking revenge on the Kami that failed to save her family from the Mongols. On the day of the invasion her family was slaughtered, she prayed to Amaterasu, Tsukoyomi, and finally to Susaonoo, but none answered her prayer. Enraged, she swore revenge for her family. She twisted the souls of the Mongols to do her bidding, and took advantage of the destabilization of Ki on Tsushima to gain an advantage over the souls of the dead and the Kami themselves. Essentially she got really lucky and amassed power fast enough that she's the top dog of the spiritual world on Tsushima Island. Then with Tsukabaatr, he took advantage of the destabilization to gain increased power over the dead. The destabilization of Ki on Tsushima is the main explanation as to how all these normally impossible things are happening. But it was the destabilization and subsequent upset of spiritual balance that allowed the 4 ghosts of Legends to return from their rest to restore the balance. Also in Caravan of Thieves it wasn't the Buddha statue that held the spirit, it was a small idol that is in the wagon behind the statue. You don't inspect the statue, you inspect the cart. This is all just my understanding, maybe I'm completely off base and don't know what I'm talking about. Either way this expansion was amazing and I hope we get a sequel set during the second Mongol invasion of Japan!
Poor Gaijin breaking down hysterically in the middle. But hey, at least little G brought up the possibility that it's just one giant re-enacted noh play
I'm gonna go with both. The insane ramblings wrapped in a way that Sucker Punch is having fun with the lore. The first three games for that studio were the PS2 Sly Cooper games after all.
The saisen box is probably a corrupted offering box, I mean, in your own words, “the only difference between a Yokai and a Kami is which one is worshipped
I’d say it’s a mixture, it is the story of a blind mans yokai centric take on historic events, but some of them bring in aspects of the Mongol’s side of lore. The control of the vengeful spirits?? L5R covers this itself with their mongol equivalent the Unicorn Clan, the middle eastern practice of capturing and enslaving Djinn, which the mongols picked up themselves during their invasion of western asia and the middle east.
I wonder if the 'invisible ghost attacker' enemies would be kinda like the black-garbed 'special effect ' people in those plays. Like if someone has to fly they lift them up and you're just supposed to ignore the shadowy guys because they aren't actually part of the scene. Except in Legends, they now attack you. Lol
*real talk* sup Gaijin Goombah, dude I've been following your stuff since i learned you had stuff outside of Game Theory. I just wanted you to know that you are one of the few channel added to my mental whitelist and I always watch your content from front to back because I appreciate when someone loves what they do
I probably am the only one that wants this but... the oni holiday with people dressing as oni and going to different houses asking “any naughty children around” and only being turned away by being given mochi, could we get a deeper dive into this holiday pls? It got mentioned in the spirited away video and it really has me thinking of a “reverse modern Halloween” where rather that children going trick or treating its adults going to scare children into being good by scaring them but then only being made leave by receiving mochi from the adult of the house
Sucker punch did such a good job with the base game and have said how they wanted to remain respectful and realistic enough to be historical fiction so it would make -12 sense that they would do this big of a 180 for legends. And I mean, the name of the dlc Ghost of Tsushima: Legends? Chapters? It’s literally a fictional story. Like King Arthur and Excalibur. That’s what I thought it was on surface level but I didn’t know how deep that “it’s all a story bro” connection went. And as someone who likes to see things from different perspectives, what seems more realistic if you were someone trying to detail the horrors you lived through as a Japanese person who survived the mongol invasion? “Those mongols were just like us. Mere men who fought without honour.” Or “Those mongols are so evil that they drained the power from Amaterasu, raised while villages as vengeful spirits and controlled them and bargained with an evil Hag to make their warriors immortal! If not for the divinely blessed ghosts they would have destroyed the world! Oni and great evil yokai feared these monsters!” Sucker punch are too cleaver to do something that... brainless. I wouldn’t be surprised if they use this as a joke, make another dlc and call it ghost of Tsushima: Myths of the ghost that give a more supernatural side story for the ghost. Like the legend of Hatori Hanzo. Make the ghost a spirit that comes back age after age and have him fight in like... a different war that’s a bit more recent. Sorry for the rant Gaijin. Love the vids!~ and I hope my rant didn’t come across as angry. I like having intellectual talks with people.
Well thanks to this video, I now have a new headcanon forming concerning Onibaba and Baba Yaga. The name and the witch/had bit are pretty jarring. It actually makes me wonder if there was some contact with Russia where they learned about Baba Yaga or vice versa and adapted it into their folklore.
Bokksu still adverts the tea pairing but 2 boxes in a row didn't provide that and on the second time I reported this issue they called me by some one else's name and said they stopped doing two tea packets but haven't updated their site about this. Just a heads up, and if requested I'll provide you those emails also.
Ah you missed the part about Iyo being a Hitobashira (human sacrifice for the bridge!) This puts her on the level of onryo, but there's a double thing going on where it seems she absorbed her unborn child's soul, and that makes her unnaturally powerful, and perhaps the only way she could be described in that instance is "onibaba," being both a demon and an ancient woman herself. Second, the real Tsushima island has a legend of a priestess woman who has a virgin birth and the child has supernatural powers. These are the things Suckerpunch was inspired by when they made their story of Iyo, and the stuff with Sukhbaatar and the oni were just ways to recycle Mongol assets and map locations for good slashy fun.
Having done such a great job with the singleplayer experience it was bound to happen that they would screw up to some decree if they did anymore. Though I hate the "it was all a dream" or "someone crazy's imagination" it's at least some sort of excuse.
I remember when this game first dropped and people were all pissed and/or worried about an American company trying to depict Japanese history. Of course, we all know now they nailed it, which I figured they would because historical events are recorded and can be factually checked. However, as much as I love all things Shintō, I had the same concerns when they announced they'd be dipping into folklore, because there's soooooo many nuances to Japanese mythology that you can't glean just from reading a quick summary. For example, "all monsters bad, birdman must be evil" and "ghost manipulation" are pretty Western ways of thinking and it totally bugged me as well. That said, living out a Noh play is a PHENOMENAL way to look at it because Noh plays are goddamn WILD. I'm definitely still on the fence, but it's a lot easier to deal with knowing I can just play Nioh if I'm really craving authenticity.
First off i loved this episode . Secondly i have to ask... are you going to do your annual teview if the overwatch halloween costumes especially since hanzo and genji's cistumes are the two tengus
I doubt this will be seen but there is one manga out there called Shuumatsu No Valkyrie (Record Of Ragnarok being the English title) there’s some references to Japanese history in some of the characters who appear such as sasaki kojiro, Raiden Tameemon and otika souji. Along with stuff from other countries aswell in the gods that appear in the series and the other human characters. I think there is some stuff that may be good for a video in there, either talking about the differences between the ragnarok version of the characters and their original counterparts or talking about the depictions of Japanese sumo and swordsmen.
It a nice thought train that could possibly work, i guess without SPs input about how really they did it, weither it be a commentary or even a celebration of a Noh play.
Gaijin: "Ghost of Tsushima is a master piece of Western interpretation"
Gaijin: *THIS DLC IS TRASH SACRALIGIOUS BLASPHOMY, BURN IT WITH THE FLAMES OF AMATURASTSU*
Goomba: *"Stop it, Get some help"*
You didn't watched it until end, aren't you?
@@TheRezro
You didn't recognize the meme format didn't you?
@@Sparkster217 If you talking about stupidity then yes, it allude my 0_0
@@TheRezro
Allude your what?
Did you watch it all the way to the end?
So the DLC is Gyozen's fanfic.
Basically yeah!
@@GaijinGoombah it makes sense in that regard. It’s
Legends, a weird retelling of Events of the core game with a much more exaggerated outrageous things. Especially with the Mongols bringing a horde of demons down on Tsushima and their actually being multiple Ghosts to stop it all of which take elements of what Jin was as the Ghost. Turning a normal invasion of foreign raiders into demonic doom bringers and corrupting their lands in horrible ways. It sounds like a legend mixed with some good old fashioned propaganda and historical embellishment.
@@GaijinGoombah when you said that yokai eat human liver to gain power, will said power drain if they haven’t eaten a liver in in a while, or will the power never go away?
What if in universe the story of Gyzoen evolves into today's legends.
I hate that this makes perfect sense.
"Is this Sucker Punch having some fun or is there a message here about the insanity of Noh productions?" Yes.
As a young girl once memed, "why not both?"
The difference is that Nioh actually make sense in context of the mythology.
Porque no los dos?
@@TheRezro Noh, as in traditional japanese theatre. Not Nioh, as in the video game.
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong Yeh, I noticed that later.
The idea that Legends is basically just Gyozen's wild fanfic is actually kind of supported by the PCs in the game as well as the NPCs. If you take a look at the faces behind the masks, all 3 males are clearly just Jin with glowy eyes, and the archer is Yuna. These "four heroes" are just two of the major players in the actual events being attributed to four people in some kinda reverse Robin Hood because it Gyozen thinks it makes the story better.
I think that it reflects the 3 paths that Jin takes. The Samurai, the Ronin, the Assasin, then the Ghost. It also fits with the 4 illustrations that you see when you rank up after killing mongols.
The Samurai: The Broken Samurai, The Wandering Samurai, The People's Hope
Ronin: The Unyielding Wind, The Shadow Samurai, The Hero of Tsushima, The Avenging Guardian
Assasin: The Phantom Samurai, The Demon's Blade, The Raging Storm
Ghost: The Ghost of Tsushima
They can also reflect the many ways how you approach an enemy. You face them head on, You fight without hesitation, from the shadows or with a powerful unnatural force.
I mean is literally called "Legends" & most legends are highly exaggerated tales written by people
so yeah it makes a lot more sense that the whole plot would be a huge stage play
That is literally what Gumbah said on the end.
Watch the video
I think....I don't think that Gyozen's story is so yokai heavy because he's trying to make a play.
I think it's so Yokai heavy because he wants to talk about the history of Tsushima, but he can't fully understand the events around because he's blind so he uses Supernatural aspects to fill in the blanks of whatever he doesn't understand because he couldn't see it
The only problem is then, that if that's true, he has a very surface level (at most) understanding of Yokai and folklore though XD My guess? He was probably just some guy, with no aspirations, probably a fisherman or something, with no real knowledge of folklore, and had an accident that caused him to go blind. After losing one of his most important senses, bumbling through life for a little while in the dark, he likely went mad, and then the Mongol invasion of Tsushima that happened right after just tipped the pot over.
Honestly, I just love how Legends is "canon noncanon" meaning that it's all noncanon, but it is all being told be Gyozen to people in the game, including Jin.
I just love the idea of legends. The spirits of dead warriors rising from the grave to fight for their home is such a cool idea
To Gaijin's final question: BOTH. Obivously.
Infact the inaccuracies might be he's trying to make a story for foreigners to grasp at too. Aka mongols... Japan has livers.. but do mongols have a "go for the liver" thing? If it's the heart.. bam there is your final answer. The whole heart thing is ment to tell the Mongols...if you come to our country.. you will be nothing more then a puppet.
For your question, yes, Mongol also have the "go for the liver" things. Especially Yuan Mongol which are the Mongol of this game.
@@Tetsulot Thanks for that. Then i guess the heart thing is just odd :O
@@kotlolish It's likely just SuckerPunch using more recognizable imagery for the intended western audiences (the intended market). While livers would be more accurate, "heart" is much more recognizable and understood by westerners, since they might be confused why there is a focus on liver otherwise. It might also just be that SuckerPunch just didn't know. During the original production of the main game, they had Japanese historians on hand to consult for accuracy, but likely didn't have that luxury for FREE multilayer DLC and probably just Googled a list of Yokai to smash together as villains.
@@Tetsulotdoes it also explain why "Gimmie your liver" became a meme?
Despite all this though, i just love that Legends and Gyozen’s tales really just highlights “The Ghost of Tsushima” legend.
Despite the reality, a lot of people think there were multiple Ghosts rather than just Jin Sakai. Gyozen is just telling us (the players) how the people of Tsushima spread the tale of the Ghost. It’s amazing!
That's really interesting. Is that confirmed or is it just your head cannon? Either way I like it lol
I was considering that everytime in a single player you see Gyozen from various locations as well as his quotes. It's like he's passive yet crazy for making up stories while leaving small papers with black paintings.
@@ijakerz93 I’m certain it’s said in a quest that people think that there were multiple ghosts, but I’m not sure.
The whole story of GoT Legends kept bothering me so much because of how poorly it kept to the actual legends of yokai, but when you mentioned the thing about Gyozen, a lot of it suddenly stopped bothering me. The story would only make sense if it were all just an old man's fan-fic. It also makes sense now why the Japanese dub changed Iyo from an Onibaba to a Hannya.
TL;Dr: We're Playing Gyozen's fanfic
Thank goodness he isn't writing a smutty fanfic.
Actually, the mask on the offering chest makes sense. It's a mockery of a holy, pure shrine. Feels like beings like oni would delight in mocking a holy object in that way
So this DLC was actually just a Writer going off the deep end with his story telling.
I love it! XD
That moment when the emphasis/explanation on the liver in folklore in this video finally makes a scene in Onimusha make a LOT more sense. Keep up the amazing work as always!
10:25 ah so with that ur telling me to expect an in-depth look at all the hololive girls, gotcha gotcha
"are all of these near horror fantasy elements just Sucker Punch having fun, or is there a message here about the insanity of no production plots?"
Can't it be both? The second being the excuse for the first?
The sealing a evil being in a thing of good (in this case the statue of a monju bosatsu) is somewhat of a trope since the thinking behind it is that the evil being will be weakened if it is sealed where good dwells.
Excellent analysis and content as always I find the interpretation that this is just the ramblings of a blind writer trying to write a play really interesting! Thanks for your amazing work gaijin!
Man, never thought I'd see a Zero Punctuation reference on this channel. Especially given how... lets say not family friendly his content is
Yes I had a similar feeling. It's kind of a like that one time extra credits made a reference to him. I take it as he's such a big an influence on the video game community
@@urahara64360 Which episode?
Hmm... Maybe this why they are corrupted. They are opposite of regular yokai and mongol / foreign wielding powers.
Because these stories are told innocently and these yo kai are the way they are.
That makes since
@@TsulaAngenati2292 since when?
I love Gyozen, I always bow to him when I’m able to.
"is the dlc just sucker punch having fun, or does it show the insanity of noh production" both? can totally be both
I mean, it fits with Gyozen’s track record of folklore infused stories from his side quests.
This is even brought up in the single player because on iki island there's an npc who is obsessed with his stories and wants you to tell her about his last story (the fires of Yuri Kawa) and in order to tell her about them Jin needs to "listen to the story" by you playing the last chapter of the story mode
It feels like an intern tripped while holding the folders for the boss. A vengeful spirit that shakes the government seems like the one to be the big bad. Imagine if a Mongol became a yokai and becoming part of the spiritual world of the country that he died in made him more powerful.
Well, now that the Iki Island expansion got released, we basically got confirmation that these are just stories told by a blind guy. Jin and an npc say that his stories bring light and entertainment during the hard times of the invasion, which I think is really cool
8:55 What if in Ghost of Tsushima canon tengu started to hate foreigners since the mongol invasion?
Would have to look back to when the depictions of tengu being xenophobic start
@@archermon373 Who cares? There don't even exist.
@@nidohime6233 neither do most of the things covered in this video
@@archermon373 Eghm... you are aware that Tengu are from China? They are xenophobic regard Japanese 0_0
Ghost of Tsushima Legends: a literal Blind Men's Tale
Blind boi making doujinshi's before they were cool
Underrated comment.
Tengu I could also see - "If you help us take these lands, you'll not only get the mountains all to yourself, but even MORE territory to control as you desire"
Bam, reason for the Tengu to help outsiders
Even before playing legends, i already know this is a retelling of the mongol invasion of tsushima in a exaggerate way. But it's nice seeing the japanese folklore being mention in this game. Not only they tackle a the real life event, but also their mythology. Sucker Punch outdid themselves this time 👏
Is this the first time Gaijin has a breakdown in a video?? My goodness, I was legit worried for a second.
I don’t really know much about japanese folklore but man i loved fighting the ghosts they were hard to fight against, they were fun to hunt down since you can only hear them and see them ~sometimes~ i love this game
They're just having a bit of fun.
Also...10:24 what the hell is this? Have you fallen down the hololive rabbit hole too?
Y U B I
It takes just one joke, one other rabbit hole, and your recommendations are filled with shark lolis and yubi.
You madlad, you included a JoJo reference
When
@@ycha221 In the title.
I remember you.
Don't you know? Everything is a JoJo reference
We call earth the world. ZA WARUDO!!!
Actually me and a buddy had a fun little thought. Since most of the enemies you encounter in the game (outside of a scant few variants) are still the mongols we think that, basically the "ghosts" are warriors inspired by Jin Sakai, running around Tsushima and taking out Mongols, and Gyozen is just hyperboling the $#@$ out of their deeds to the stuff of myth and legend. So they didn't Stop a Mongol Shipment of slaves, they STOPED A DEMONIC RITUAL AND THWARTED A ONI FROM STEALING PEOPLE'S SOULS.
I can't help but wonder if part of the inconsistencies with Japanese lore if the fact the Mongolians were involved. Consider that for best example the draining of the three kamis would end the world.. According to Japanese lore and culture.. But said kamis may not be world ending if drained to the Mongolians. Who have different beliefs. To them they would just see them as power sources to make them more powerful. As for the hearts.. Well the onibaba was not eating them but using them on said mongolians to give them powers not herself.
It makes sense since the blind writer would probably “view” the invading Mongols as monsters and other beasts.
From a production standpoint: a lot of resources were initially used in the base game to research the historical setting for the game. DLC in contrast has a much smaller production cycle, meaning a lot less time to do research on the supernatural aspects of Japanese folklore, meaning less proper representation of elements.
I'm mildly proud of myself that Goomba came to the same conclusion that I did about the lore of legends lol
I'd like to second this message about Bokksu. Just got my third box. So I have experience with it. My ONLY complaint is shipping prices from Japan to East Coast USA when I buy separate items in their market. Besides that, it scores a solid A. And "A/10" in other words.
Nothing ever scores A+. That's just unreasonable.
i think it's a combination of both the Noh Play and the developers of Sucker punch just having fun. I mean what better way to make an interesting DLC than including a small tidbit to the hilarity and over the topness of Noh plays by making it a non sensical fun battle romp in a DLC with no connecting sense to the historical Yokai at all. If anything this DLC literally just seems to be a "Lets just have some fuckin fun with it" kinda thing that also seems to be a small narration or oral story to pass down to younger generations to make it seem like Japan was up against some seriously stacked odds.
So the ultimate reveal is that this is just the fever dream of a blind playwright? That's freaking amazing! I love that!
I noticed a super small portion of the things you mentioned but damn goombah with the call out. This theory makes a lot of sense. Can approve. Also the mode is fun.
Sucker Punch was so brain tired from making the first game, they went nuts and bananas, and just decided to make some bread.
I'm legit tempted to get boksu. You did a good job promoting them.
One of the things that makes your theory fall apart for me is what you mentioned about Gyozen being able to write. While Gyozen is able to write, he writes too neatly and uniformly, consistently. That's almost way too well for a blind person. Not to mention his drawings all include great detail. Secondly, we do not know for certain whether Gyozen is truly blind or not. All we see is an old man with bandages wrapped around his eyes, and he does seem to be aware of things around him, although it is plausible his other senses are trained. However, we do not know whether Gyozen was born blind, or if he became blind via an injury. We also do not know how long he has been blind, if he is truly blind. Also, when you approach Gyozen, sometimes he says that he specifically knew in person, a man who made a deal with tengu, aka Uchitsune, since Uchitsune is the only character in "Ghost of Tsushima" who was said to have interacted with a tengu. Especially considering you encounter a man wearing a tengu mask when trying to find Uchitsune's longbow.
Also, Gyozen seems to be aware that there is only one Ghost. Whenever I've approached him in the single player game, he always addresses Jin in the singular or as "my lord", never in the plural. Lastly, not everyone in "Ghost of Tsushima: Legends" wears a mask. One of the outfits for the hunter, the special outfit with the "Horizon Zero Dawn" theme, doesn't include a mask, just a headband.
On a last note, you have yet to do a video on what you think of "The Tale of Iyo."
"Suckbutter" that broke me
Also, Korone
I'm a bit late, but also a bit obsessed with legends so let me try to make a few things a bit clearer. Iyo is obsessed with taking revenge on the Kami that failed to save her family from the Mongols. On the day of the invasion her family was slaughtered, she prayed to Amaterasu, Tsukoyomi, and finally to Susaonoo, but none answered her prayer. Enraged, she swore revenge for her family. She twisted the souls of the Mongols to do her bidding, and took advantage of the destabilization of Ki on Tsushima to gain an advantage over the souls of the dead and the Kami themselves. Essentially she got really lucky and amassed power fast enough that she's the top dog of the spiritual world on Tsushima Island.
Then with Tsukabaatr, he took advantage of the destabilization to gain increased power over the dead.
The destabilization of Ki on Tsushima is the main explanation as to how all these normally impossible things are happening. But it was the destabilization and subsequent upset of spiritual balance that allowed the 4 ghosts of Legends to return from their rest to restore the balance.
Also in Caravan of Thieves it wasn't the Buddha statue that held the spirit, it was a small idol that is in the wagon behind the statue. You don't inspect the statue, you inspect the cart.
This is all just my understanding, maybe I'm completely off base and don't know what I'm talking about. Either way this expansion was amazing and I hope we get a sequel set during the second Mongol invasion of Japan!
Suckbutter? I thought that was in I Am Bread when you fail a mission one too many times
Poor Gaijin breaking down hysterically in the middle. But hey, at least little G brought up the possibility that it's just one giant re-enacted noh play
I'm gonna go with both. The insane ramblings wrapped in a way that Sucker Punch is having fun with the lore. The first three games for that studio were the PS2 Sly Cooper games after all.
The saisen box is probably a corrupted offering box, I mean, in your own words, “the only difference between a Yokai and a Kami is which one is worshipped
I’d say it’s a mixture, it is the story of a blind mans yokai centric take on historic events, but some of them bring in aspects of the Mongol’s side of lore. The control of the vengeful spirits?? L5R covers this itself with their mongol equivalent the Unicorn Clan, the middle eastern practice of capturing and enslaving Djinn, which the mongols picked up themselves during their invasion of western asia and the middle east.
I'll ask again just a suggestion but maybe you can culturaly analisis Yusuke from persona 5 do what you want but please consider this
I wonder if the 'invisible ghost attacker' enemies would be kinda like the black-garbed 'special effect ' people in those plays. Like if someone has to fly they lift them up and you're just supposed to ignore the shadowy guys because they aren't actually part of the scene. Except in Legends, they now attack you. Lol
Gyozen is the Dungeon Master and we're the Players
Ghost of Tsushima is the gift that keeps on giving.
I like to pretend you saw my comment on your other video and just said "bet"
*real talk*
sup Gaijin Goombah,
dude I've been following your stuff since i learned you had stuff outside of Game Theory. I just wanted you to know that you are one of the few channel added to my mental whitelist and I always watch your content from front to back because I appreciate when someone loves what they do
10:27 in all honesty, I did not expect that particular *Inugami* to appear at this video lol
Gaijin to your question about the DLC at the end . . .Yes just Yes.
I probably am the only one that wants this but... the oni holiday with people dressing as oni and going to different houses asking “any naughty children around” and only being turned away by being given mochi, could we get a deeper dive into this holiday pls? It got mentioned in the spirited away video and it really has me thinking of a “reverse modern Halloween” where rather that children going trick or treating its adults going to scare children into being good by scaring them but then only being made leave by receiving mochi from the adult of the house
11:36 you need to relax. The haiku nor the katana were even around at this time period of the game, let alone how extravagant the armor is.
So, the ramblings of the town's crazy old man
Love your vids dude i learn so much, keep it up
1. Excellent video
2. Thank you for the Korone reference.
Great video
I have been playing the hell out of this game and I love it!!
I was not expecting a Korone reference! :D
I don't know, that final theory is giving me big "it was a dream all along" copout vibes.
Everyone keeps bringing up the JoJo reference but ya'll are really missing out on the woke Korone reference!
This.
@@GaijinGoombah When you said "Inugami" my brain immediately went "Yubi," which was of course followed immediately by the yubi sound from the video
How's everyone doing today? I hope you all have a great day. Keep up the great work Gaijin.
Love the metal intro
4:08 Derp Wolf Painting
Sucker punch did such a good job with the base game and have said how they wanted to remain respectful and realistic enough to be historical fiction so it would make -12 sense that they would do this big of a 180 for legends. And I mean, the name of the dlc Ghost of Tsushima: Legends? Chapters? It’s literally a fictional story. Like King Arthur and Excalibur. That’s what I thought it was on surface level but I didn’t know how deep that “it’s all a story bro” connection went. And as someone who likes to see things from different perspectives, what seems more realistic if you were someone trying to detail the horrors you lived through as a Japanese person who survived the mongol invasion? “Those mongols were just like us. Mere men who fought without honour.” Or “Those mongols are so evil that they drained the power from Amaterasu, raised while villages as vengeful spirits and controlled them and bargained with an evil Hag to make their warriors immortal! If not for the divinely blessed ghosts they would have destroyed the world! Oni and great evil yokai feared these monsters!”
Sucker punch are too cleaver to do something that... brainless. I wouldn’t be surprised if they use this as a joke, make another dlc and call it ghost of Tsushima: Myths of the ghost that give a more supernatural side story for the ghost. Like the legend of Hatori Hanzo. Make the ghost a spirit that comes back age after age and have him fight in like... a different war that’s a bit more recent.
Sorry for the rant Gaijin. Love the vids!~ and I hope my rant didn’t come across as angry. I like having intellectual talks with people.
Down the cultural rabbit hole we go!
Unlikely or you may have already done it butttt I'm big into Usagi Yojimbo and would love to see that ronin covered :3
Well thanks to this video, I now have a new headcanon forming concerning Onibaba and Baba Yaga. The name and the witch/had bit are pretty jarring. It actually makes me wonder if there was some contact with Russia where they learned about Baba Yaga or vice versa and adapted it into their folklore.
That is actually quite probable.
Alright, tried some Bokksu, bought some chestnut pies, makino, dondon yaki, and two different rice cakes... Aside makino, were good.
Bokksu still adverts the tea pairing but 2 boxes in a row didn't provide that and on the second time I reported this issue they called me by some one else's name and said they stopped doing two tea packets but haven't updated their site about this. Just a heads up, and if requested I'll provide you those emails also.
Ah you missed the part about Iyo being a Hitobashira (human sacrifice for the bridge!) This puts her on the level of onryo, but there's a double thing going on where it seems she absorbed her unborn child's soul, and that makes her unnaturally powerful, and perhaps the only way she could be described in that instance is "onibaba," being both a demon and an ancient woman herself. Second, the real Tsushima island has a legend of a priestess woman who has a virgin birth and the child has supernatural powers. These are the things Suckerpunch was inspired by when they made their story of Iyo, and the stuff with Sukhbaatar and the oni were just ways to recycle Mongol assets and map locations for good slashy fun.
I think this is how the Mongol corrupted the legend they mix and match from different cultures
Iyo dosen't want dominance, she wants Tsushima destroyed and overran with demons.
Having done such a great job with the singleplayer experience it was bound to happen that they would screw up to some decree if they did anymore. Though I hate the "it was all a dream" or "someone crazy's imagination" it's at least some sort of excuse.
I think the key was in the name. Legends, remember?
I remember when this game first dropped and people were all pissed and/or worried about an American company trying to depict Japanese history. Of course, we all know now they nailed it, which I figured they would because historical events are recorded and can be factually checked. However, as much as I love all things Shintō, I had the same concerns when they announced they'd be dipping into folklore, because there's soooooo many nuances to Japanese mythology that you can't glean just from reading a quick summary. For example, "all monsters bad, birdman must be evil" and "ghost manipulation" are pretty Western ways of thinking and it totally bugged me as well. That said, living out a Noh play is a PHENOMENAL way to look at it because Noh plays are goddamn WILD. I'm definitely still on the fence, but it's a lot easier to deal with knowing I can just play Nioh if I'm really craving authenticity.
First off i loved this episode .
Secondly i have to ask... are you going to do your annual teview if the overwatch halloween costumes especially since hanzo and genji's cistumes are the two tengus
This gonna be good! Thank you, sir!!!!!
Theres building in Akashima with a "diety" of sorts. Cant identify it. But the statue disappears sometime after you defeat the Khan. Background?
Was that a Ushiwakamaru reference with the tengu? Cause that was funny.
10:40,best part ever of this video,laughed so fucking hard
I think after working hard to make the main game as accurate as possible that they decided to just go wild with the DLC and have some fun
So basically GoT: Legends is to kami what Disney’s Hercules is to Greek mythology.
I doubt this will be seen but there is one manga out there called Shuumatsu No Valkyrie (Record Of Ragnarok being the English title) there’s some references to Japanese history in some of the characters who appear such as sasaki kojiro, Raiden Tameemon and otika souji. Along with stuff from other countries aswell in the gods that appear in the series and the other human characters. I think there is some stuff that may be good for a video in there, either talking about the differences between the ragnarok version of the characters and their original counterparts or talking about the depictions of Japanese sumo and swordsmen.
It a nice thought train that could possibly work, i guess without SPs input about how really they did it, weither it be a commentary or even a celebration of a Noh play.
Thank you Gaijin! I just got Tsushima two days ago
Now this is good!
Are you going to make a follow up video now that the raid is out because that gives a little more detail as to how iyo became a onibaba