I owned a Hans Christian 48T, the first aft cockpit. Sailed over a 100,00 miles on her. Perfect boat. Had her for 32 years. Never a problem with the construction.
Thanks for this! I like the idea of a sub-40 kraken. Something the misses can easily manage in the event of injuries. We also have the rustler 36, which is a wonderful boat as well. You can find older under 100k. I think 36 is a fantastic size, there are plenty of space to fit everything for a couple.
Nicely put , I am a huge "understander" of your boats, the reasons why you have done what goes into your boats, but even more, the honesty with the way you market what you have. As far as an outstanding, no compromise yacht built to do as you state it will. And a marketing strategy that is straight up, straight up. That is what this whole industry is lacking, World bloody wide. And this is coming from an old boat builder/business owner. Well done good sir's.
At the low end of the market here in Sweden are plenty of Folkboats and Havsfidras, as well as Vegas. Small by modern standards (the Havsfidra is 20'), but quite solidly built. For a bit more money there are the HR Monsoon 31, again a boat with a a ocean crossing pedigree. What is your opinion on this class of boats? Of course, one has to be ok with the "camping" style rather than the "most of the comforts of home" that come with the larger boats. Personally I come from canoeing and kayaking, as well as pulling sleds across wintery landscapes, so even a Havsfidra is surprisingly spacious if you compare it to an expedition tent.
Thanks for sharing so many experienced contents. The Kraken design is so inspirational for those who intend real blue water sailing, although anything can happen even not so far aground. Totally changed my perspective on which boxes had to be ticked to avoid mistakes.
I've just bought an Endurance 37'. She's great, barely used and complete with SS fuel and water tanks. Internal helm. Was impounded for years in a drugs bust!!
G’day Dick, any thoughts on a Lavranos 40, built in NZ in the 80’s, she has an integrated keel, Skeg hung rudder, shaft drive, cutter rig, centre cockpit, I picked one up in Australia for $65K. Cheers Greg from OZ 🇦🇺
Nice to hear that you believe solid incapsulated keels and protected rudders are important. Not only for ocean crossing but exploring isolated coastal adventure. Anahi fits all this criteria as she is a 1982 Kaufman and ladd 47’ (CT) fast ocean cruiser. Built solidly, does not flex and all the important things you promote. Centre cockpit is also a must with all lines leading there so no need to be on deck. Wish I could afford a kraken.
@@johnbreen5668 Kraken does not build "cruising boats" for Caribbean island hoppers. They build bluewater boats for people who are doing ocean crossings and circumnavigation types.
yeah I love the diea of a Kracken 44 I think is a great size! I just wish I could afford one! I am looking at a Vagabond 47 in amazing condition with great upgrades so I am hoping that will serve my purposes! Curious if the Dicks' have any opinions on the Vagabons!
Would an older Morgan Out Island 41, or something like an Alberg 37 or Cape Dory 36 work? Full integral keels and keel-hung rudders across the board, fairly heavy for their size, and heavy lay-up. Yeah, I'm definitely one of the landlocked poor's trying to figure out how to see the world by sail 😅🤙
Thanks going into it - espacally since kraken is obviously the absolute opposite of the spectrum and if you would round to a full percent basicly nobody can affort them^^
Strong opinions about varios matters such as rudder design, integral keels etc. Are they based on some serious investigations or what. If so please give me some reference.
Hi Dick, I recently watched your video where you visited Fair Isles. You make no mention of the HCs deck stepped mast. In this video you give Fair Isles as an example of a blue water boat. My last boat was an Alberg 37 hill no. 7 but I love the HCs. I lost a back stay on my Alberg in about 35 knots. Was able to compensate with the topping lift and main halyard. We were fine. If the mast would have been deck stepped I wonder what the outcome. I could say it was my fault but there was no sign of a problem and the stay stripped and pulled right out of the turnbuckle so it was actually the turnbuckle that failed. I have been getting the itch but at 67 I would probably only sail the Caribbean which I have done before as far South as St. Lucia. Would the deck step mast disqualify the HCs? Thank you for your thoughts.
I'm on a small budget and live in the Boston area on the East Coast. Like you for me everything needs to be about safety. Eventually I would like to sail around the world but I thought I would start with with something I could sail along the east coast and into the Bahamas and Caribbean. I would also be operating it single handed much of the time so I really don't want something big. I was looking at an Island Packet 31 as a choice as an East Coast Cruiser. The only thing that concerns me is the rudder. It is a full keel but not really a keel hung rudder. Would that be something you would consider if you weren't planning on crossing an ocean in it.
Thank you Dick(s). Sound advice. Would love to hear your views on "Sail Drives"? These seem to be increasing in designs adopted by production yacht manufactures.
Sail drive require land maintenance so more often, not to mentions all possible issues raised by the fact, that you basically accept, then, a "design" creating a weak point in your hull that merely is nothing but a hole. I recommend watching this very instructive video by "Anatare"s, another solid builder of catamarans : Saildrive vs. Shaft Drive - Which is better? Which is safer? ruclips.net/video/SKzu-WpWPrc/видео.html
I think Kraken Yachts hired a disgruntled Sea World employee to train orcas to attack inferior production sailboats around Spain and Portugal over the past couple years....Just kidding, but seriously, who wouldn't want to see an orca vs Kraken video on RUclips?!
These orcas go for a bite of the rudder i saw, could one not protect the rudder with stainless or aluminium cover plates? Let them chew on that and my guess is they need swim to the dentist.
So my understanding from this video is that any boat with out an integral keel is not worthy of being in the water. if the keel drops off it matters not if you are 10 miles off shore or 1000 miles. If it flips time is not on your side and your dead distance from shore means nothing.
Another interesting video, building all of the positive features into your yachts must make them some of the safest on the water. If you get time in a video, could you have a look at Wharram Catamarans? James Wharrams designs seem to work, especially in warmer latitudes, are tied together with string and just keep going. There is a RUclips channel called Kiana Weitzien, she sails an old Wharram that appears to use tree branches for a mast and boom and the rest of it looks very rustic! She has sailed thousands of miles in the thing, crossed oceans and it just keeps going. Other channels have gone all over in the things. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on these. All those ancient Polynesians can't be wrong!
I have to admit, I'm new to this sailing lark and currently looking for something to take me around the warmer parts of the planet, but I'm wondering, are the world's oceans littered with upside down bolt-on-keel boats bobbing around without their keels (and/or rudders)? What is the real risk of coming a cropper? I've been thinking Island Packet purely due to the risk of grounding as a sailing halfwit, but I do like the idea of a massive cockpit to sleaze around in just off some tropical beach bar. Living on an IP, or any other tiny cockpit blue water boat when at a cruising ground sounds miserable. Maybe potter about coastally in a cruising ground with a big cockpit, then sell it and buy another massive cockpit on the other side of each ocean. Though, I'd also like to try an ocean crossing at least once. Doesn't Starlink and OpenAI basically make every ocean crossing a walk in the park these days? I've really no idea.
People sail around the world on old 25 foot production boats with bolted-on fin keels and spade rudders. I don’t have any statistics on this, but I’d be far more worried about being killed in traffic in some tropical island than having the keel fall off. I’ve circumnavigated in a 32 foot boat with both a bolted on keel and a spade rudder, and these two items were pretty far down on my list of perceived risk. I’d want a bigger boat then next time around for more comfort and space, but I’d feel perfectly safe in our old boat too.
@@usefulcommunication4516 I’m sure sailing around the world in a $1.5 million yacht is a great experience, but the level of safety doesn’t have to be that much lower in a $150k boat. If I had an infinite amount of money, I’d probably buy a new ~60-70 foot boat once we’re ready to set sail again, but since I haven’t found a money growing tree yet the plan is to buy something that is cheap enough to both purchase and maintain that it won’t affect the timing of our plans or future financial freedom.
The list in the video was not extensive and there are certainly models that make the list. There are some Rustler models such as the 57 which do use bolts on the ballast
I'm not litigious so I won't be suing you but I would be grateful if you could rearrange the wording of your title so that it does not look like Ahoy-Boats.
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Definitely appreciate people putting years of knowledge out there. Thanks
I owned a Hans Christian 48T, the first aft cockpit. Sailed over a 100,00 miles on her. Perfect boat. Had her for 32 years. Never a problem with the construction.
Hans Christian…….???!!. A very old design
Thanks for this! I like the idea of a sub-40 kraken. Something the misses can easily manage in the event of injuries. We also have the rustler 36, which is a wonderful boat as well. You can find older under 100k. I think 36 is a fantastic size, there are plenty of space to fit everything for a couple.
Nicely put , I am a huge "understander" of your boats, the reasons why you have done what goes into your boats, but even more, the honesty with the way you market what you have.
As far as an outstanding, no compromise yacht built to do as you state it will. And a marketing strategy that is straight up, straight up. That is what this whole industry is lacking, World bloody wide. And this is coming from an old boat builder/business owner. Well done good sir's.
At the low end of the market here in Sweden are plenty of Folkboats and Havsfidras, as well as Vegas. Small by modern standards (the Havsfidra is 20'), but quite solidly built. For a bit more money there are the HR Monsoon 31, again a boat with a a ocean crossing pedigree. What is your opinion on this class of boats? Of course, one has to be ok with the "camping" style rather than the "most of the comforts of home" that come with the larger boats. Personally I come from canoeing and kayaking, as well as pulling sleds across wintery landscapes, so even a Havsfidra is surprisingly spacious if you compare it to an expedition tent.
Thanks for sharing so many experienced contents. The Kraken design is so inspirational for those who intend real blue water sailing, although anything can happen even not so far aground. Totally changed my perspective on which boxes had to be ticked to avoid mistakes.
I've just bought an Endurance 37'. She's great, barely used and complete with SS fuel and water tanks. Internal helm. Was impounded for years in a drugs bust!!
Why did you not include Island Packet?
They don’t know the USA boats
He's from Turkey and dont know much about US market.
G’day Dick, any thoughts on a Lavranos 40, built in NZ in the 80’s, she has an integrated keel, Skeg hung rudder, shaft drive, cutter rig, centre cockpit, I picked one up in Australia for $65K. Cheers Greg from OZ 🇦🇺
Nice to hear that you believe solid incapsulated keels and protected rudders are important. Not only for ocean crossing but exploring isolated coastal adventure. Anahi fits all this criteria as she is a 1982 Kaufman and ladd 47’ (CT) fast ocean cruiser. Built solidly, does not flex and all the important things you promote. Centre cockpit is also a must with all lines leading there so no need to be on deck. Wish I could afford a kraken.
No such thing as a boat that you dont have to go on deck.
Great video great chat
You mentioned a lot of good sailboats
What do you think of the Najad 390
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Great show
Does kraken ever plan on making yachts in the 30 40 foot range?
Their website is hinting at a smaller boat now but no details as yet, looking forward to seeing what comes out of it myself
Does not make sense to build a $350K 30 foot boat. Most people doing serious bluewater cruising are doing big boats.
@@SOLDOZER sure looks like a lot of sailboats about 35 foot long out on the water to me. Definitely more then there are 50 footers
@@johnbreen5668 Kraken does not build "cruising boats" for Caribbean island hoppers. They build bluewater boats for people who are doing ocean crossings and circumnavigation types.
@@SOLDOZER Can you circumnavigate single-handed in either a 50' or 35'? Which would be easier?
yeah I love the diea of a Kracken 44 I think is a great size! I just wish I could afford one! I am looking at a Vagabond 47 in amazing condition with great upgrades so I am hoping that will serve my purposes! Curious if the Dicks' have any opinions on the Vagabons!
Thats why i bought a nicholson 32 from 1965
Would an older Morgan Out Island 41, or something like an Alberg 37 or Cape Dory 36 work?
Full integral keels and keel-hung rudders across the board, fairly heavy for their size, and heavy lay-up.
Yeah, I'm definitely one of the landlocked poor's trying to figure out how to see the world by sail 😅🤙
Thanks going into it - espacally since kraken is obviously the absolute opposite of the spectrum and if you would round to a full percent basicly nobody can affort them^^
Strong opinions about varios matters such as rudder design, integral keels etc. Are they based on some serious investigations or what. If so please give me some reference.
What does Dick think of Cape Dory and Shannon yachts for blue water?
Hi Dick, I recently watched your video where you visited Fair Isles. You make no mention of the HCs deck stepped mast. In this video you give Fair Isles as an example of a blue water boat. My last boat was an Alberg 37 hill no. 7 but I love the HCs. I lost a back stay on my Alberg in about 35 knots. Was able to compensate with the topping lift and main halyard. We were fine. If the mast would have been deck stepped I wonder what the outcome. I could say it was my fault but there was no sign of a problem and the stay stripped and pulled right out of the turnbuckle so it was actually the turnbuckle that failed. I have been getting the itch but at 67 I would probably only sail the Caribbean which I have done before as far South as St. Lucia. Would the deck step mast disqualify the HCs? Thank you for your thoughts.
Has anyone built a yacht with dual skeg-hung rudders? Seems like that would be the best of both worlds.
still would lack the protection of having a keel in front of it
Sadler, S+S 34, 80's Moody etc etc
I recently bought an old Olympic Marine 42 Ketch from 1976. Ted Brewer design, built in Greece. Do you know anything about those?
Where you able to single hand your Tayana 58 well? Looking at buying one soon.
I'm on a small budget and live in the Boston area on the East Coast. Like you for me everything needs to be about safety. Eventually I would like to sail around the world but I thought I would start with with something I could sail along the east coast and into the Bahamas and Caribbean. I would also be operating it single handed much of the time so I really don't want something big. I was looking at an Island Packet 31 as a choice as an East Coast Cruiser. The only thing that concerns me is the rudder. It is a full keel but not really a keel hung rudder. Would that be something you would consider if you weren't planning on crossing an ocean in it.
This is exactly my plan! I'm in New Hampshire.
Cheers Jeff
Island Packet is keel hung rudder. Ived owned 2 of them. Its also rack/pinion steering. No cables to break like the Kraken.
Thank you Dick(s). Sound advice. Would love to hear your views on "Sail Drives"? These seem to be increasing in designs adopted by production yacht manufactures.
Sail drive require land maintenance so more often, not to mentions all possible issues raised by the fact, that you basically accept, then, a "design" creating a weak point in your hull that merely is nothing but a hole. I recommend watching this very instructive video by "Anatare"s, another solid builder of catamarans : Saildrive vs. Shaft Drive - Which is better? Which is safer? ruclips.net/video/SKzu-WpWPrc/видео.html
You dont seem to be getting the memo. Sail drives dont come on serious blue water boats.
What do you think of a CONTEST 32CC or a CONTEST 35 aft cockpit 1982
I picked this , what do you think.
I think Kraken Yachts hired a disgruntled Sea World employee to train orcas to attack inferior production sailboats around Spain and Portugal over the past couple years....Just kidding, but seriously, who wouldn't want to see an orca vs Kraken video on RUclips?!
Let me check if we have the budget for that.... ;)
ROFL...hell of a plan
These orcas go for a bite of the rudder i saw, could one not protect the rudder with stainless or aluminium cover plates? Let them chew on that and my guess is they need swim to the dentist.
So my understanding from this video is that any boat with out an integral keel is not worthy of being in the water. if the keel drops off it matters not if you are 10 miles off shore or 1000 miles. If it flips time is not on your side and your dead distance from shore means nothing.
I’ve looked into Hylas and I can’t see any with integral keels. They all seem to be bolt on.
Bill what do you think about the Albin Vega 27 ?
how about a transpac 49?
Another interesting video, building all of the positive features into your yachts must make them some of the safest on the water. If you get time in a video, could you have a look at Wharram Catamarans? James Wharrams designs seem to work, especially in warmer latitudes, are tied together with string and just keep going. There is a RUclips channel called Kiana Weitzien, she sails an old Wharram that appears to use tree branches for a mast and boom and the rest of it looks very rustic! She has sailed thousands of miles in the thing, crossed oceans and it just keeps going. Other channels have gone all over in the things. Would be interesting to hear your thoughts on these. All those ancient Polynesians can't be wrong!
The design works if you're looking to get killed easily.
What is the thickness of the hull in Kraken 50? The thickest end the least ? Thanks!
I have to admit, I'm new to this sailing lark and currently looking for something to take me around the warmer parts of the planet, but I'm wondering, are the world's oceans littered with upside down bolt-on-keel boats bobbing around without their keels (and/or rudders)?
What is the real risk of coming a cropper?
I've been thinking Island Packet purely due to the risk of grounding as a sailing halfwit, but I do like the idea of a massive cockpit to sleaze around in just off some tropical beach bar. Living on an IP, or any other tiny cockpit blue water boat when at a cruising ground sounds miserable.
Maybe potter about coastally in a cruising ground with a big cockpit, then sell it and buy another massive cockpit on the other side of each ocean.
Though, I'd also like to try an ocean crossing at least once.
Doesn't Starlink and OpenAI basically make every ocean crossing a walk in the park these days?
I've really no idea.
People sail around the world on old 25 foot production boats with bolted-on fin keels and spade rudders. I don’t have any statistics on this, but I’d be far more worried about being killed in traffic in some tropical island than having the keel fall off. I’ve circumnavigated in a 32 foot boat with both a bolted on keel and a spade rudder, and these two items were pretty far down on my list of perceived risk. I’d want a bigger boat then next time around for more comfort and space, but I’d feel perfectly safe in our old boat too.
@@thomasreva7554 Sounds about right. It seems a Kraken is the ocean equivalent of a Chelsea tractor.
@@usefulcommunication4516 I’m sure sailing around the world in a $1.5 million yacht is a great experience, but the level of safety doesn’t have to be that much lower in a $150k boat. If I had an infinite amount of money, I’d probably buy a new ~60-70 foot boat once we’re ready to set sail again, but since I haven’t found a money growing tree yet the plan is to buy something that is cheap enough to both purchase and maintain that it won’t affect the timing of our plans or future financial freedom.
In what year did Hallberg Rassy stop making boats with an integral keel and a protected rudder?
Anyone got experience with Fantasi 37 sailboat.Suited for blue water sailing?
What about Sadler? It's an evolution of the Contessa
Dick mentioned HR, but he said an old one. What year did they start losing the key ingredients?
good info for the many who can afford premium.
If you cant afford Kraken 50 ..go for Island Packets(New & old)...closest to what kraken has.
doesn't island packets have problems with chainplates?
Only a millionaire can afford a Kraken ! Not a peasant like myself !
Are Rustlers too obvious to mention?
Najad?
Why was Rustler not mentioned they still build incapsulated keel boats with skeg hung rudders.
As with other builders, who have changed their build techniques, they are building with bolt-on keels.
The list in the video was not extensive and there are certainly models that make the list. There are some Rustler models such as the 57 which do use bolts on the ballast
I'm not litigious so I won't be suing you but I would be grateful if you could rearrange the wording of your title so that it does not look like Ahoy-Boats.
Done :)