While old freddy was obviously bad, I did kinda like where they were going with him. I wish they kept his invisibility aspect in the newer freddy somehow.
@@pyroronnie2473 mmm cant agree sorry. survivors are already oblivious when asleep. that's probably even better than invisibility. being invisible on top of that... yeah i don't know. he would be super hated again
@@pyroronnie2473 its not because of lack of invisibility. but because the community overreacted when they took away 3 traps from him. he is still much stronger than most of the roster. fun or not fun is subjective. i personally think he is allright.
I miss old Freddy. Sure he was bad but his power felt like it was trying to be as close to the source material as possible, and for me, licensed killers deserve to have powers that reflect their source material powers as closely as possible
@@SireK0zyyes but dbd should be CREATIVE while making the power of licensed characters,new freddy just feel like discounted clown bottle but hag'strap instead and he just can teleport to gens? Not creative and boring why would someone buy freddy if not for his perks? He's not worth it as a licensed character
After playing old Freddy a lot he was actually good you just ran gin builds and slug and walk off I played so many games with him and wound win all because hex’s
Dream pallets are more of a meme for me TBH. I think his main power is still traps. Also I find it weird how you need and addon that complitely changes his play style. And he's like the only killer that has this. DBD clearly needs a little more consistency.
@@AGrayPhantom it does stop the fast vault but not when trap is in front off the window not even clown bottles stop that where you actually need to put snares in order to deny a fast vault is actually like 2 meters before they reach that said vault (idk why it works like that i know it's stupid but hey its dbd spaghetti code we know and hate)
God I remember hating adrenaline more than I already did when playing freddy. because sure its really fair that the meg you're chasing not only suddenly gains a burst of speed, not only becomes healthy, but also wakes up making you waste even more time putting them to sleep again.
That is what I said in an earlier comment... Like the new power is alright and before Sadako was released he sort of scratched the same itch but now he just sort of feels directionless. Like, dragging people into your dream world is such a cool idea and it being either passive or just something that happens when you hit them feels lame. And the being unable to harm survivors was cool, too. For me, an ideal that would be hard to pull off satisfactorially for both sides is if it was easier to wake up but it really punished you to fall asleep... But they make it too easy to wake up he is just garbage and he drops lower than twins in the pick rate... Too punishing or too hard to wake up and he will just be nerfed back to his previous state... But what he has now is just not ideal, I wish they would just try something.
He’s not weak he was the best anti gen killer old thrill of the hunt, old ruin and hunters, lullaby and everyone in the dream world it was impossible for survivor to do gens along with paint brush and child drawing all you had to do was defend the hex’s
Man if only they reduced the cooldown of the "pull in dream" ability and not completely reworked him... Freddy would be the most fun killer to play... At least for me :(
im honestly surprised by how many people actually share your opinion. almost everyone who comments has an opinion that's close to yours. i guess that means something. tho i just can't agree. i like his present state. sort of like the golden mid
@@SireK0zyThe thing is, people dislike this Freddy bc his power is completely different from the character I believe, but overall I still like Freddy lol
@@SireK0zy I disagree, if you start getting survivors who are asleep and looping you on good tiles I would feel like quitting, it’s almost like you have no power and you can’t just keep giving up on chases forever
@@Lunofi lmao. not gonna lie im going through a lot of stress right now. it's not about the game. it's more about the things that are heppening in my life. i dont wanna complain too much. but i think you know what i'm talking about. as for dead hard... it does make me a little paranoid, that's true. especially when you start waiting it out on people who are not even running it. but when you outplay it you it's such a huge ego boost lol. i don't know how to explain it.
@@SireK0zy yeah. I don’t even play killer that much anymore because I have 0 meta perks so I can’t have any fun because I get gen rushed instantly so I have no time to adjust to playing killer🫤
how are people in the comments are so unte on this opinion? i would never think that's what people's throughts on freddy are. i thought everyonne liked him
i never got to play old freddy, but god he looks so good, i wish they fixed him without reworking him, or just didnt touch him coz i wanna play that version of freddy so badly
There is nothing fun about watching someone do a gen in your face. You either have the thickest rose tinted glasses or didn’t play back then because there was a reason everyone begged the devs for a rework.
@@remakefreddy9170 No, Hell is right, people legitimately didn't know how to play Old Freddy. Forever Freddy existed back then and people didn't know and he had an add-on that was an on-demand Lethal Pursuer to boot. Literally everyone who said he is bad used the blocks on him to reduce dream transition time instead of doing the smart thing and using the add-on that gives you wallhacks for 9 seconds. Old Freddy was legitimately busted if you knew how to use him, but most didn't.
@@contevoncheeseburger8854 so I’m guessing you assume I and everyone back then just didn’t know how to play him. I used all his addons and tried to make him work but he doesn’t. He’s cons out way his pros which he has almost non. Hit and run is something that is not unique to Freddy and is more effective on other stealth killers since they dont lose their power by simply failing a skill check. Freddy was only effective in 3 gens which would make him so annoying today when he already was annoying to go against. Plenty of people who wanted to have him reworked were nightmare on elm street fans who tried everything to make the character work. If you want to go the route where he was more faithful I still disagree since Freddy doesn’t pull the kids into the dream and just has them gradually fall asleep. The reason you can see him while awake is explained in both the movie and by the devs, it’s because of microsleeps causing you to see Freddy faze in and out of the real world similar to that happened in the pharmacy in the remake.
@@remakefreddy9170 The whole "failing a skill check" is such a non-issue though because if you look at the pros and cons then he has a lot. Pros: Gens go by very slow, very little is actually done, failing a skill check removes some progress and alerts him to your location Cons: They wake up (literally a pro if you have Class Photo) I played Old Freddy, that motherfucker was very busted and his rework was a saving grace. Reminder that this was all when Dying Light was STILL "tunnel the obsession, the perk" and provided a 25% slowdown for tunneling a specific guy, which was MUCH EASIER to do early on. You could have a 75% gen slowdown and completely halt the game in the process.
@@contevoncheeseburger8854 so your saying by bringing a mori and dying light and a purple addon he was somewhat viable. Failing a skill check gave you invincibility against him which makes it so he can’t interrupt you on anything. He couldn’t slug due to the person waking up, he couldn’t camp or tunnel if you think hit and run would work against experienced team you don’t know what you’re talking about. Class photo didn’t mean anything If they were on the other side of the map and if you ran paint brush with it you were slower too. Class photo would also make it harder to interrupt someone doing something like a totem so have a good time watching someone cleanse your ruin in your face. You could complete over 10% of a generator while he put you to sleep assuming only one person was working on one. Your running with the thought that no one knew how to play him and that’s not true there were plenty of Freddy mains that knew he was terrible. You’re also assuming that everyone was failing gen skill checks while self care was at its prime allowing them to immediately wake up with no harm to gens. Tunneling someone with dying light required a mori and the obsession to be brain dead. Back then old ds was a thing and would mean the obsession most of the time would hit it and to be a complete dick in your face they could start self caring and fail a skill check.
Remember how silly freddy was at start when you could just body block and he couldnt hit you. Also feels like this guy doesnt really know what is a wasted pallet.
Weirdly enough feel like with all the changes now-a-days they could bring back old Freddy with a few tweaks of course. Always thought would be neat if you could change the killer back to the old version before the complete rework. but that would probably be more trouble than anything.
Im a Pre-Rework freddy main. While he got better power wise, he remained shit even if slightly less, but at the cost of fun, he's no longer fun or original now, he's basically waterlog shoe hag with an inconvenient teleport ability that 75% of time is useless. Old freddy was weak, but was salvageable with the right changes
A lot of people who tried old Freddy didn’t have acces to add ons or perks due to using the old Splinter offerings so that probably affected everyone’s impression on the character too
People back then were fans of noes and wanted to play Freddy but he was so unusably bad that trying to play him at any rank past 13 was a death sentence
@@Sleepyhollow3245 you're probably just feleing nostalgic. you wouldn't be able to play him today. imagine not being able to attack anyone even if all survivors are literally sitting on the gen right in your face. and then when youre about to attack thy hit you with old sprint burst + vigil. he was the weakest and very poorly designed for both sides. classic bhvr
i feel like they could keep the invisibility while out of dream world but they could make it to where if freddy manually pulls you in dream world you would be slower while being pulled in and dream pallets would be passive like doctor and focus the add-ons for more chase or pressure combos like if they survivor walks into a dream snare they couldn't use a vault or use a pallet for a second just to make freddy more fun to play as while still making it interesting to play as and against with the pressure and mind games
I think if old freddy was added nowadays he’d be fine. Like the Hud now shows who’s sleeping or not and survivors are much more eager to get chased now. And forever freddy’s much less possible now with dying light and thana changed.
“DC soon as they hear his lullaby” That’s interesting. I’m _sure_ no one nowadays DC’s soon as they get even the slightest sign of a killer they don’t like… right?
I hope we get him back with some buffs, cuz it does not feel like freddy if you can hit survivors if they are not dreaming. If they cant come up with anything new, they should just revert the reworks for a while. Also all they had to do with him after he was reworked was make "forever freddy" impossible, adding the speed nerf was completely not necessary.
well yeah i guess. could have come up with a better idea of how to make his power mor elore accurate. like for example show him from time to time. but i wouldnt go for complete invisibility. that thing would make his first hit a gamble every time
Wait was this old footage or did u somehow manage to find these versions somewhere else I'm sure it's obvious it's just old footage but I'm just curious 😋😋😋😋 10:45-14:20 I tell u the game map maybe a safe place with these pallets everywhere but holy heck they literally just toss them all down like nothing like really haha I better some learned that u can't just drop these pallets randomly just cause it's there 😂😂😂😂 And they were still at 4 gens
I used to play Old Freddy a lot before they changed him, While he wasn't great I think it was because how people played him, I would play him Hit and Run and did ungodly good at him because you knew where EVERY survivor was in the dream state and survivors had less options to heal super fast and know where you were. the new one is just... boring, a bad version of clown with a teleport.
he was the best anti gen killer old thrill of the hunt, old ruin and hunters, lullaby and everyone in the dream world it was impossible for survivor to do gens along with paint brush and child drawing all you had to do was defend the hex’s
New freddy (Especially after the nerf) is just boring and uncreative as fuck, I miss old freddy. They should have just given him a quality of life update and addon rework like plague, legion etc.
they genuanly tried. but he was something like the knight: no matter what you do to him hes either gonna be unfun and annoying for survivors or super weak and unviable
@@SireK0zy knight doesn't have that problem tbh. He is nice now outside of the 3-gen strat. I think a better comparison is Pinhead who camps the box and refuses to let anyone get nearby lmao
Do you personally think he should be reworked again? Or do you think he’s okay where he’s at? I like the blood traps personally Edit: I’m proud to announce that apparently this killer is getting a buff very soon I hope they don’t remove dreamworld 😢
Honestly, i like current Freddy. I dont think he needs alot of changes. Mostly, give him both pallets and snares to use, and let him still teleport to completed or blocked gens.
@@SireK0zy Hillbilly feels so unplayable on older versions. Make sure you show off the fact that you can't chainsaw-break pallets if you're close to them and that the turning is ABYSMAL--- especially since you couldn't change looking keybinds to q/e to turn... Wraith was more meh when it came to his earlier versions imo where as Billy's changes were much needed and then you can go into his Nerf... anyway my vote's on Billy next.
@lMagicalMerlin omg im gonna keep this in mind. i literally forgot that not being able to break pallets while being close to them was a thing. if ther's any other cool info you got on him make sure share. you can even dm me on discord. cause the more stuff i can cover the better!
So the second to last update for him I don’t understand why they didn’t keep it as that and decided to nerf him bc he ain’t good so how was that over powered? Makes zero sense now he trash
New Freddy’s powers are just so boring and confusing to why that’s the direction they went. I understand that his old power was breeding a really unfun play style but I think there was potential but they went the easy route in fixing him. I just really like the idea of Freddy putting you to sleep and being more powerful than the globally timed sleep
they reworked him not only because he was unfun for survivors. but because he was useless and nobody liked to play as him back then. he was worse than what pig is now.
Old Freddy was pure trash I was there for it he could not beat anyone with a single brain cell who knew how to counter him. Just remove Freddy from the game at this point because I am tired of seeing my fav slasher being disrespected in DBD. The only thing they made movie accurate in DBD was his counterplay, his Dream World, Snares, and Pallets, are a joke.
A bit late I only like old freddy because it was as close as real freddy would be like, invisible anytime and has to manually pull into the dream world my opinion
I actually like the maps more like the world feels your more in a dreamworld in the old version looks better, besides the crap graphics. defiantly should make it harder for survivors to see at a further distance by allow freedy to see auras further to help freddy in his own world. i honestly feel like m1 killers should get a basekit reduce stun duration and pallet speed break if they're stunned multiple times by surivvors with pallets. to many survivors in this game greed pallets then camp and stun needs to be something thats basekit and punishes survivors for camping pallets for to long or just throwing down to many pallets within a certain duration.
Im not mad about the invisibility thing even tho it should've stayed it gives freddy his uniqueness as apart from now he just feels generic but I really wish you can put survivors to sleep still cause the dream snares and pallets are straight shit
You're delusional if you think it was nearly impossible to dodge old freddy's first hit, that shit was predictable as hell back then. Back then considering self care was meta it was actually extremely easy to rid yourself of sleep simply by failing a skill check.
predictable as in you had to guess where he was and then when you got lucky and dropped the palley on the righ tside you pretended it had something to do with your skill? also: self care has nothing to do with the first hit when youre not injured. not even to mention that i literally showed this trick in the first several seconds of the gameplay part
@@SireK0zy You could see him for periods of time during the falling asleep process, just see where's he at and act accordingly. It's like if you could see spirit randomly during phasing. He also had collision so all you had to do was feel him then drop the pallet on the obviously right side. Also self care had to do with your statement that it was very hard to lose Freddy. It was incredibly easy to wake up, more so when Self care which was a free ticket to waking up was meta.
i dont think the new one is bad. its the most weird take ive ever heard. and somehow its popular. remember when right after the rework he was literally considered OP? and then when after another update the devs took away a minor aspect of his gameplay that didnt even matter he all over sudden gets compared to the pig? freddy is alright. not op or anything. but not bad. people just like throwing tantrums
@@SireK0zy I wouldn't call it a tantrum, just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to infantalize the people you disagree with. new freddy is not fun to play and while im sure he could be pretty good hes not fun enough for most people to want to learn, old freddy was fun and unique whereas new freddy just has a worse version of trappers beartraps, though I admit his dream pallets are better then doctors fake pallets. its just my opinion that he sucks and isnt fun you are free to disagree just dont infantailze
adults throw tantrums too though. it's not infantilizing. i just cant think of any oother word for people who first claim that reworked freddy is op but then they instantly call him Z tier as soon as they hear that one of his add-ons was slightly tuned edit: we weren't talking about the "fun" factor. we were talking about the good/bad aspect.
he was literally considered to be top A for quite some time until the devs changed something about him again. very slightly. and people did a complete 180 saying that he's trash now. super histerical beheviour is you ask me. @@yourlocalfestivefurry354
Its funny that you have in live version matched with the wrong server location :D And old Freddy was much better. maybe not the strongest. but he was the weakest. The Rework was not a really rework in the Uassets files you find they planned this new freddy long time ago but refused to bring them in the old Version because of his Uniquness. but was butchered by the community and bhvr itself.
@@SireK0zy sorry for this really late answer. i mean wrong server that you have in live games has the red bar icon. and maybe you right you got the closet one to you but the distance makes hard to get low ping.
Huh, feels like I've seen this video before even though I definitely haven't. Maybe it's to do with the editing style and humor being exactly the same as every channel out there?
@@SireK0zy Nah Old Freddy was actually unexplored and how DBD as a game was back then definitely was something to also keep in mind. Because Freddy was actually solid in the right hands and showed what type of Monster you could actually be with him. Sure some stuff should change but how he functioned back than wasn't bad at all. He was quite good. People (like I said) didn't explore with him enough to truly unlock his potential. This Freddy would be solid in this game's current version. (For the most part aside from a few add-ons and general balance changes the game itself got since that time)
@@SireK0zy not from everything I researched no showed players fully got what he can do. Unless you have any references I can go off of. Please Link them to me. That would be extremely helpful. Outside of the ones that performed well with him. Heck even Otz himself said in his final video before Freddy got reworked showing what his Freddy was capable of at that time. But the main issue is Watching a lot of videos (that had Old Freddy) never dived deep enough as they should or even could. Again. Few people said he was actually good maybe decent and just needed that Player to fully display it. Like no one was truly "THAT GUY" for Freddy back then. I can't name a worth while player who was a Freddy main at this time. I can't say (example Coconuts Huntress) NO ONE was like that for Freddy. Like no joke look up old footage of Freddy and there aren't a lot of players truly showing off what he is truly capable of but a lot of people in the comments will say they perform well with him showing they didn't really see his major flaws like he got now. I truly believe that Old Freddy is definitely Better in a lot of ways but I'm gonna do more research. When I can grab enough people to test it and cross reference it. I do believe Old Freddy would be stronger than currently Freddy with the game's current balance in mind. (For the most part)
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 research? wait so youre saying you didnt even try him yourself? that's even worse then. at least nostalgia would explain why you feel like this. but now we're just discussing how you feel vs actual facts. what references do you need to undersatnd that a killer whose power is to NOT be able to attack a survivor right of the bat and instead give them 10 extra seconds to find a pallet is not a good thing? try playing trapper without traps but whenever you reach a survivor wait 10 seconds before attacking. that's your old freddy. want some real references? join my discord download 1.8.0 , ask 4 juicers to join your lobby and play old freddy for like an evening. and then we can talk. what even makes you think that old freddy was underrated or misunderstood? what's so special about his concept that you think you're the only one who understands him? we have had much more complicated killers and those were perfectly understood. old freddy was simple as a spoon. a spoon with a hole in it
Dunno why they didnt just change aspects of Old Freddy, he was a genuinely interesting and unique character but now he is just an M1 killer with a shitty teleport and a pitiful attempt at anti-loop (without addons) Trapper has better anti-loop than Freddy and that is the biggest problem, you see a trap and it is "Oh no cant loop here" you see a Freddy snare and it is "Oh no... anyways"
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While old freddy was obviously bad, I did kinda like where they were going with him. I wish they kept his invisibility aspect in the newer freddy somehow.
It was kept a little. You can't see him father than 32 meters while awake.
@@SireK0zy still shoulda kept it pure invisibility
@@pyroronnie2473 mmm cant agree sorry. survivors are already oblivious when asleep. that's probably even better than invisibility. being invisible on top of that... yeah i don't know. he would be super hated again
@@SireK0zy its not like he isnt super hated already but now he is struggling again to live up to the hype and the fun
@@pyroronnie2473 its not because of lack of invisibility. but because the community overreacted when they took away 3 traps from him. he is still much stronger than most of the roster. fun or not fun is subjective. i personally think he is allright.
I miss old Freddy. Sure he was bad but his power felt like it was trying to be as close to the source material as possible, and for me, licensed killers deserve to have powers that reflect their source material powers as closely as possible
i know what youre talking about but close to teh source material unfortunatelly didnt convert well to the dbd reality...
Well, according to the lore, the Entity literally had to nerf Freddy itself because he was too strong on his own.
@@SireK0zyyes but dbd should be CREATIVE while making the power of licensed characters,new freddy just feel like discounted clown bottle but hag'strap instead and he just can teleport to gens? Not creative and boring why would someone buy freddy if not for his perks? He's not worth it as a licensed character
After playing old Freddy a lot he was actually good you just ran gin builds and slug and walk off I played so many games with him and wound win all because hex’s
Freddy doesn’t pull anyone into the dream world in noes?
Well, now we got a new freddy yet again
Love using dream pallets with spirit fury + enduring. Makes the survivors question everything!
Dream pallets are more of a meme for me TBH. I think his main power is still traps. Also I find it weird how you need and addon that complitely changes his play style. And he's like the only killer that has this. DBD clearly needs a little more consistency.
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I've tried using dream snares, but they are underwhelming. I wish they stopped survivors from vaulting (or at least fast-vaulting).
@@SireK0zy Also Myers has that with the 2 mirrors. But yeah, iridescent addons aside no other addon changes how a killer power works
@@AGrayPhantom it does stop the fast vault but not when trap is in front off the window not even clown bottles stop that where you actually need to put snares in order to deny a fast vault is actually like 2 meters before they reach that said vault (idk why it works like that i know it's stupid but hey its dbd spaghetti code we know and hate)
God I remember hating adrenaline more than I already did when playing freddy.
because sure its really fair that the meg you're chasing not only suddenly gains a burst of speed, not only becomes healthy, but also wakes up making you waste even more time putting them to sleep again.
I wish we could have the best of both worlds. Have SOME sort of combination of the old power and new power. Old power was weak sure, but so thematic.
That is what I said in an earlier comment... Like the new power is alright and before Sadako was released he sort of scratched the same itch but now he just sort of feels directionless.
Like, dragging people into your dream world is such a cool idea and it being either passive or just something that happens when you hit them feels lame. And the being unable to harm survivors was cool, too.
For me, an ideal that would be hard to pull off satisfactorially for both sides is if it was easier to wake up but it really punished you to fall asleep... But they make it too easy to wake up he is just garbage and he drops lower than twins in the pick rate... Too punishing or too hard to wake up and he will just be nerfed back to his previous state... But what he has now is just not ideal, I wish they would just try something.
He’s not weak he was the best anti gen killer old thrill of the hunt, old ruin and hunters, lullaby and everyone in the dream world it was impossible for survivor to do gens along with paint brush and child drawing all you had to do was defend the hex’s
Man if only they reduced the cooldown of the "pull in dream" ability and not completely reworked him... Freddy would be the most fun killer to play... At least for me :(
im honestly surprised by how many people actually share your opinion. almost everyone who comments has an opinion that's close to yours. i guess that means something. tho i just can't agree. i like his present state. sort of like the golden mid
@@SireK0zyThe thing is, people dislike this Freddy bc his power is completely different from the character I believe, but overall I still like Freddy lol
@@spooky0_0. and yes, u right, its more because his power before was more canon in the movies, but i understand too because i agree with you
@@SireK0zy I disagree, if you start getting survivors who are asleep and looping you on good tiles I would feel like quitting, it’s almost like you have no power and you can’t just keep giving up on chases forever
@@Zandyneer i'd suggest practice dream snares. they're better than people imagine.
Watching you play the current dbd just sounds like pain
why is that lol?
@@SireK0zy the commentary. It sounds like dead hard is making you die inside lol
@@Lunofi lmao. not gonna lie im going through a lot of stress right now. it's not about the game. it's more about the things that are heppening in my life. i dont wanna complain too much. but i think you know what i'm talking about. as for dead hard... it does make me a little paranoid, that's true. especially when you start waiting it out on people who are not even running it. but when you outplay it you it's such a huge ego boost lol. i don't know how to explain it.
@@SireK0zy yeah. I don’t even play killer that much anymore because I have 0 meta perks so I can’t have any fun because I get gen rushed instantly so I have no time to adjust to playing killer🫤
@Lunofi yeah same. im a survivor main. i dont even know what i'm doing here making all these killer videos XD but it's fun ngl
Thanks for this video! I'm new to the game, but love playing Krueger. Good to see how far he's come.
Welcome to the community, I guess ;) Planning to make more videos of this type. Theres so much to talk about.
Omg thank you for looking at addons after I requested it! Greatly appreciated
i'll do it more!
Man old freddy was so much COOLER than new freddy. New freddy puts me to sleep... in a bad way.
how are people in the comments are so unte on this opinion? i would never think that's what people's throughts on freddy are. i thought everyonne liked him
@@SireK0zymost people didn’t play him and just watch cherry picked games of him 4king against 50 hour survivors.
I’ve only played DBD since the RE chapter but I hear content creators talk about old Freddy often. Nice to finally see old Freddy. Great video!
Old very was op I miss him and he was more like in the movies that is something I like
def not op ;)
not op at all haha i remember him being super easy to beat
i never got to play old freddy, but god he looks so good, i wish they fixed him without reworking him, or just didnt touch him coz i wanna play that version of freddy so badly
Just go to my discord and play him ;)
I love how you censor yourself with the killers sound effect, it's a nice touch
Old Freddy was a hundred times more fun than the version we have right now. Also he was stronger with some of the older addons that the current ones
There is nothing fun about watching someone do a gen in your face. You either have the thickest rose tinted glasses or didn’t play back then because there was a reason everyone begged the devs for a rework.
@@remakefreddy9170 No, Hell is right, people legitimately didn't know how to play Old Freddy. Forever Freddy existed back then and people didn't know and he had an add-on that was an on-demand Lethal Pursuer to boot. Literally everyone who said he is bad used the blocks on him to reduce dream transition time instead of doing the smart thing and using the add-on that gives you wallhacks for 9 seconds.
Old Freddy was legitimately busted if you knew how to use him, but most didn't.
@@contevoncheeseburger8854 so I’m guessing you assume I and everyone back then just didn’t know how to play him. I used all his addons and tried to make him work but he doesn’t. He’s cons out way his pros which he has almost non. Hit and run is something that is not unique to Freddy and is more effective on other stealth killers since they dont lose their power by simply failing a skill check. Freddy was only effective in 3 gens which would make him so annoying today when he already was annoying to go against. Plenty of people who wanted to have him reworked were nightmare on elm street fans who tried everything to make the character work. If you want to go the route where he was more faithful I still disagree since Freddy doesn’t pull the kids into the dream and just has them gradually fall asleep. The reason you can see him while awake is explained in both the movie and by the devs, it’s because of microsleeps causing you to see Freddy faze in and out of the real world similar to that happened in the pharmacy in the remake.
@@remakefreddy9170 The whole "failing a skill check" is such a non-issue though because if you look at the pros and cons then he has a lot.
Pros: Gens go by very slow, very little is actually done, failing a skill check removes some progress and alerts him to your location
Cons: They wake up (literally a pro if you have Class Photo)
I played Old Freddy, that motherfucker was very busted and his rework was a saving grace. Reminder that this was all when Dying Light was STILL "tunnel the obsession, the perk" and provided a 25% slowdown for tunneling a specific guy, which was MUCH EASIER to do early on. You could have a 75% gen slowdown and completely halt the game in the process.
@@contevoncheeseburger8854 so your saying by bringing a mori and dying light and a purple addon he was somewhat viable. Failing a skill check gave you invincibility against him which makes it so he can’t interrupt you on anything. He couldn’t slug due to the person waking up, he couldn’t camp or tunnel if you think hit and run would work against experienced team you don’t know what you’re talking about. Class photo didn’t mean anything If they were on the other side of the map and if you ran paint brush with it you were slower too. Class photo would also make it harder to interrupt someone doing something like a totem so have a good time watching someone cleanse your ruin in your face. You could complete over 10% of a generator while he put you to sleep assuming only one person was working on one. Your running with the thought that no one knew how to play him and that’s not true there were plenty of Freddy mains that knew he was terrible. You’re also assuming that everyone was failing gen skill checks while self care was at its prime allowing them to immediately wake up with no harm to gens. Tunneling someone with dying light required a mori and the obsession to be brain dead. Back then old ds was a thing and would mean the obsession most of the time would hit it and to be a complete dick in your face they could start self caring and fail a skill check.
Remember how silly freddy was at start when you could just body block and he couldnt hit you. Also feels like this guy doesnt really know what is a wasted pallet.
I love the dbd sound effects over the swears, it make sme laugh everytime
Weirdly enough feel like with all the changes now-a-days they could bring back old Freddy with a few tweaks of course.
Always thought would be neat if you could change the killer back to the old version before the complete rework.
but that would probably be more trouble than anything.
BHVR is lazy. I am persuaded in this at this point
I think Freddy just needs 2 buffs to be in a good spot: Give him both snares and pallets, and let him teleport to blocked and completed Gens
Both snares and pallets would break the game. Even tho I like to play more with the pallets addon just to troll.
@@musashixz How would it break the game, neither are that strong
dude that halloween lobby is just like so nostalgic
Im a Pre-Rework freddy main.
While he got better power wise, he remained shit even if slightly less, but at the cost of fun, he's no longer fun or original now, he's basically waterlog shoe hag with an inconvenient teleport ability that 75% of time is useless.
Old freddy was weak, but was salvageable with the right changes
I like how he used dbd killers sound for cencoring making it stupidly funny
Back in my day being asleep meant something
I used to hate being a survivor when all I could hear was “la la la lalalala la…” 😂😂
It was so cool and if they ran with it there would be so many Freddy mains with how fun that would be. Jump scare builds would be great.
The girl in the second match you played has a nice voice
BHVR broke what freedy and his powers means for the movie
A lot of people who tried old Freddy didn’t have acces to add ons or perks due to using the old Splinter offerings so that probably affected everyone’s impression on the character too
People back then were fans of noes and wanted to play Freddy but he was so unusably bad that trying to play him at any rank past 13 was a death sentence
I love the ild mori effect
I loved running the paintbrush with M&A on old Freddy no chase had him at 0 tr
Old Freddy looked real scary to face
I want old freddy back at least he didn't feel powerless
Old as in after rework? Or old as in Original? Cause if you're taking about the original Freddy he was the definition of powerless
@@SireK0zy just having the power to read auras was already better than anything current freddy has
@@Sleepyhollow3245 you're probably just feleing nostalgic. you wouldn't be able to play him today. imagine not being able to attack anyone even if all survivors are literally sitting on the gen right in your face. and then when youre about to attack thy hit you with old sprint burst + vigil. he was the weakest and very poorly designed for both sides. classic bhvr
@@SireK0zy and he's still is, and with good addons, that were really easy to get the transitions only lasts 3 seconds
@@Sleepyhollow3245He indeed is still bad but he was much worse pre-rework.
i feel like they could keep the invisibility while out of dream world but they could make it to where if freddy manually pulls you in dream world you would be slower while being pulled in and dream pallets would be passive like doctor and focus the add-ons for more chase or pressure combos like if they survivor walks into a dream snare they couldn't use a vault or use a pallet for a second just to make freddy more fun to play as while still making it interesting to play as and against with the pressure and mind games
I need some time to figure out what I think about it but I like the part where pallets are passive
I think if old freddy was added nowadays he’d be fine. Like the Hud now shows who’s sleeping or not and survivors are much more eager to get chased now. And forever freddy’s much less possible now with dying light and thana changed.
the fact that my first buy was freddy, was so hard to play
bro i love the censorship noises
I need to stop swearing so much. But that's just me. It comes naturally while playing
@@SireK0zy people who dont swear while playing dbd are not real
The only fun of freddy now is the dream pallets
Wait how did you get the old Freddy back?
DBD gods themselves granted me this magical ability. But if im gonna be serious: all details are in my discord
@@SireK0zy cant find the details anywhere
@@torgeglitched2932 i have the same problem
“DC soon as they hear his lullaby”
That’s interesting. I’m _sure_ no one nowadays DC’s soon as they get even the slightest sign of a killer they don’t like… right?
If you hear a loud screech they will DC. Or hearing blights screaming
Pls do this with every killer
stop reading my mind. cause that's exactly my plan :0
I hope we get him back with some buffs, cuz it does not feel like freddy if you can hit survivors if they are not dreaming. If they cant come up with anything new, they should just revert the reworks for a while.
Also all they had to do with him after he was reworked was make "forever freddy" impossible, adding the speed nerf was completely not necessary.
Can’t wait for that rework that’s been confirmed 👍
The only thing i personally don't like about the new Freddy is that the Survivors can see him even if they're awake.
He's no longer a Dream Demon.
well yeah i guess. could have come up with a better idea of how to make his power mor elore accurate. like for example show him from time to time. but i wouldnt go for complete invisibility. that thing would make his first hit a gamble every time
I like using Freddy still to this day because since nobody is using him it means nobody knows how to counter him
Yep. I actually think that he's pretty good. I killer with an inbuilt gen control can't be bad
They desperately need to buff Freddy..
It’s happening soon apparently
It’s has happened apparently.
Wait was this old footage or did u somehow manage to find these versions somewhere else I'm sure it's obvious it's just old footage but I'm just curious 😋😋😋😋
10:45-14:20 I tell u the game map maybe a safe place with these pallets everywhere but holy heck they literally just toss them all down like nothing like really haha I better some learned that u can't just drop these pallets randomly just cause it's there 😂😂😂😂
And they were still at 4 gens
New footage. I downloaded old versions and played them for the video
honestly i played freddy back in the day a lot ... too much actually
I used to play Old Freddy a lot before they changed him, While he wasn't great I think it was because how people played him, I would play him Hit and Run and did ungodly good at him because you knew where EVERY survivor was in the dream state and survivors had less options to heal super fast and know where you were. the new one is just... boring, a bad version of clown with a teleport.
he was the best anti gen killer old thrill of the hunt, old ruin and hunters, lullaby and everyone in the dream world it was impossible for survivor to do gens along with paint brush and child drawing all you had to do was defend the hex’s
New freddy (Especially after the nerf) is just boring and uncreative as fuck, I miss old freddy. They should have just given him a quality of life update and addon rework like plague, legion etc.
they genuanly tried. but he was something like the knight: no matter what you do to him hes either gonna be unfun and annoying for survivors or super weak and unviable
@@SireK0zy knight doesn't have that problem tbh. He is nice now outside of the 3-gen strat.
I think a better comparison is Pinhead who camps the box and refuses to let anyone get nearby lmao
STOP ZOOMING IN WHEN YOU USE THE PULL IN DREAM POWER! THATS THE WHOLE REASON IM HERE
back them we used to call freedy long arm freedy
Kinda the same now too. It's jus the connection is a little more stable plus no one plays him
sharp hand joe
I want to play first version of freddy, how its possible?
Check out my discord. All the info is there
Where can I play the old versions? Is there a download for customs with a friend or so?
All info is in my discord
I played dbd 2016-2018 In xbox, but I stopped playing, I bought a pc in 2020 and started playing again last year, when I saw how freddy was😭😭😭
Do you personally think he should be reworked again? Or do you think he’s okay where he’s at? I like the blood traps personally
Edit: I’m proud to announce that apparently this killer is getting a buff very soon I hope they don’t remove dreamworld 😢
They shouldve just mad his dream world give you bad status effects like exhausted, broken, hinder it wouldve defo made him better
Honestly, i like current Freddy. I dont think he needs alot of changes.
Mostly, give him both pallets and snares to use, and let him still teleport to completed or blocked gens.
Agreed. People cry like he's 1 out of 10. Dude literally has antinloop plus gen control
I do think he needs buffs though. The fact his power gets weaker as gens g et done is kinda silly. @@SireK0zy
OG freddy was so fun to play. Current Freddy is weaker and more boring, he needs a rework.
He's not weaker. hes a ton stronger. But yeah some tweaking wouldn't hurt
Can you do old wraith or trapper
i was thinking of Hillbilly or Wraith next. I will do a poll just like the last time
@@SireK0zy def hillbilly
@@SireK0zy Hillbilly feels so unplayable on older versions. Make sure you show off the fact that you can't chainsaw-break pallets if you're close to them and that the turning is ABYSMAL--- especially since you couldn't change looking keybinds to q/e to turn... Wraith was more meh when it came to his earlier versions imo where as Billy's changes were much needed and then you can go into his Nerf... anyway my vote's on Billy next.
@lMagicalMerlin omg im gonna keep this in mind. i literally forgot that not being able to break pallets while being close to them was a thing. if ther's any other cool info you got on him make sure share. you can even dm me on discord. cause the more stuff i can cover the better!
So the second to last update for him I don’t understand why they didn’t keep it as that and decided to nerf him bc he ain’t good so how was that over powered? Makes zero sense now he trash
due to his hitbox
New Freddy’s powers are just so boring and confusing to why that’s the direction they went. I understand that his old power was breeding a really unfun play style but I think there was potential but they went the easy route in fixing him. I just really like the idea of Freddy putting you to sleep and being more powerful than the globally timed sleep
they reworked him not only because he was unfun for survivors. but because he was useless and nobody liked to play as him back then. he was worse than what pig is now.
Pla do old nurse with 6 blinks lmao
I already did. Previous video. Tho I did it with 5 blinks
Freddy mains and Freddy haters both agree old Freddy was weird
Very first rendition of freddy in a beta could one shot people, its why this version seems so weak/weird
Old Freddy was pure trash I was there for it he could not beat anyone with a single brain cell who knew how to counter him. Just remove Freddy from the game at this point because I am tired of seeing my fav slasher being disrespected in DBD. The only thing they made movie accurate in DBD was his counterplay, his Dream World, Snares, and Pallets, are a joke.
A bit late I only like old freddy because it was as close as real freddy would be like, invisible anytime and has to manually pull into the dream world my opinion
Old Freddy was way more lore accurate!
that's true tho
I actually like the maps more like the world feels your more in a dreamworld in the old version looks better, besides the crap graphics. defiantly should make it harder for survivors to see at a further distance by allow freedy to see auras further to help freddy in his own world. i honestly feel like m1 killers should get a basekit reduce stun duration and pallet speed break if they're stunned multiple times by surivvors with pallets. to many survivors in this game greed pallets then camp and stun needs to be something thats basekit and punishes survivors for camping pallets for to long or just throwing down to many pallets within a certain duration.
Fun fact: dbd mobile patched the hook When a survivor unhooked a survivor the survivor the survivor unhooked survivor gains a speed and endurance
I think it's been this way for a long time in all versions of DBD
Im not mad about the invisibility thing even tho it should've stayed it gives freddy his uniqueness as apart from now he just feels generic but I really wish you can put survivors to sleep still cause the dream snares and pallets are straight shit
Do old hillbilly or wraith please
You got it! One of them is gonna be next
How do you play old dbd freddy?
Freddy just changed from bad to boring. Don't know why Behaviour keep designing boring killer after the Plague.
i want freddy to get another rework hes SOOOOOO boring
How did you get old versions of dbd?
I got all info in my discord. Detailed guide + links
if i had a nickel for every time they nerfed a bad killer bc survs whined
You're delusional if you think it was nearly impossible to dodge old freddy's first hit, that shit was predictable as hell back then. Back then considering self care was meta it was actually extremely easy to rid yourself of sleep simply by failing a skill check.
predictable as in you had to guess where he was and then when you got lucky and dropped the palley on the righ tside you pretended it had something to do with your skill? also: self care has nothing to do with the first hit when youre not injured. not even to mention that i literally showed this trick in the first several seconds of the gameplay part
@@SireK0zy You could see him for periods of time during the falling asleep process, just see where's he at and act accordingly. It's like if you could see spirit randomly during phasing. He also had collision so all you had to do was feel him then drop the pallet on the obviously right side.
Also self care had to do with your statement that it was very hard to lose Freddy. It was incredibly easy to wake up, more so when Self care which was a free ticket to waking up was meta.
"Восстановить силы"
Can you do old billy
sure. most likely he's gonna be next
old freddy was bad, be he was a lot of fun. new freddy is still bad but also miserable to play
i dont think the new one is bad. its the most weird take ive ever heard. and somehow its popular. remember when right after the rework he was literally considered OP? and then when after another update the devs took away a minor aspect of his gameplay that didnt even matter he all over sudden gets compared to the pig? freddy is alright. not op or anything. but not bad. people just like throwing tantrums
@@SireK0zy I wouldn't call it a tantrum, just because you disagree doesn't mean you have to infantalize the people you disagree with. new freddy is not fun to play and while im sure he could be pretty good hes not fun enough for most people to want to learn, old freddy was fun and unique whereas new freddy just has a worse version of trappers beartraps, though I admit his dream pallets are better then doctors fake pallets. its just my opinion that he sucks and isnt fun you are free to disagree just dont infantailze
adults throw tantrums too though. it's not infantilizing. i just cant think of any oother word for people who first claim that reworked freddy is op but then they instantly call him Z tier as soon as they hear that one of his add-ons was slightly tuned
edit: we weren't talking about the "fun" factor. we were talking about the good/bad aspect.
@@SireK0zy tantrum tends to be used in an infantalizing way, are there really people who think new freddy is op??
he was literally considered to be top A for quite some time until the devs changed something about him again. very slightly. and people did a complete 180 saying that he's trash now. super histerical beheviour is you ask me. @@yourlocalfestivefurry354
Ive played the new freddy once or twice. I really hate it
Its funny that you have in live version matched with the wrong server location :D
And old Freddy was much better. maybe not the strongest. but he was the weakest.
The Rework was not a really rework in the Uassets files you find they planned this new freddy long time ago
but refused to bring them in the old Version because of his Uniquness. but was butchered by the community and bhvr itself.
Wrong server on live? What do you mean? You're always matched to the closest server to your location. That's how this game works
@@SireK0zy sorry for this really late answer. i mean wrong server that you have in live games has the red bar icon. and maybe you right you got
the closet one to you but the distance makes hard to get low ping.
Update video it's outdated
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How to play og dbd
The info is in my discord
You sound like you hate the game now in that last match 💀
Lol. I was a little dead inside in that match. But I actually like the current state of the game much more than old dbd
Huh, feels like I've seen this video before even though I definitely haven't. Maybe it's to do with the editing style and humor being exactly the same as every channel out there?
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Rework is trash
not trashier than the original freddy
@@SireK0zy Nah Old Freddy was actually unexplored and how DBD as a game was back then definitely was something to also keep in mind.
Because Freddy was actually solid in the right hands and showed what type of Monster you could actually be with him. Sure some stuff should change but how he functioned back than wasn't bad at all.
He was quite good. People (like I said) didn't explore with him enough to truly unlock his potential. This Freddy would be solid in this game's current version. (For the most part aside from a few add-ons and general balance changes the game itself got since that time)
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 he was very much explored. and that's exactly the reason no one liked him. that's not you speaking. that's your nostalgia speaking
@@SireK0zy not from everything I researched no showed players fully got what he can do. Unless you have any references I can go off of. Please Link them to me. That would be extremely helpful.
Outside of the ones that performed well with him. Heck even Otz himself said in his final video before Freddy got reworked showing what his Freddy was capable of at that time. But the main issue is Watching a lot of videos (that had Old Freddy) never dived deep enough as they should or even could.
Again. Few people said he was actually good maybe decent and just needed that Player to fully display it. Like no one was truly "THAT GUY" for Freddy back then. I can't name a worth while player who was a Freddy main at this time. I can't say (example Coconuts Huntress) NO ONE was like that for Freddy.
Like no joke look up old footage of Freddy and there aren't a lot of players truly showing off what he is truly capable of but a lot of people in the comments will say they perform well with him showing they didn't really see his major flaws like he got now.
I truly believe that Old Freddy is definitely Better in a lot of ways but I'm gonna do more research. When I can grab enough people to test it and cross reference it.
I do believe Old Freddy would be stronger than currently Freddy with the game's current balance in mind. (For the most part)
@@The_WIll_OF_D99 research? wait so youre saying you didnt even try him yourself? that's even worse then. at least nostalgia would explain why you feel like this. but now we're just discussing how you feel vs actual facts. what references do you need to undersatnd that a killer whose power is to NOT be able to attack a survivor right of the bat and instead give them 10 extra seconds to find a pallet is not a good thing? try playing trapper without traps but whenever you reach a survivor wait 10 seconds before attacking. that's your old freddy. want some real references? join my discord download 1.8.0 , ask 4 juicers to join your lobby and play old freddy for like an evening. and then we can talk. what even makes you think that old freddy was underrated or misunderstood? what's so special about his concept that you think you're the only one who understands him? we have had much more complicated killers and those were perfectly understood. old freddy was simple as a spoon. a spoon with a hole in it
Dunno why they didnt just change aspects of Old Freddy, he was a genuinely interesting and unique character but now he is just an M1 killer with a shitty teleport and a pitiful attempt at anti-loop (without addons) Trapper has better anti-loop than Freddy and that is the biggest problem, you see a trap and it is "Oh no cant loop here" you see a Freddy snare and it is "Oh no... anyways"