What's My Line? - Tony Martin; Abe Burrows [panel] (May 21, 1961) [CORRECTED]
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- NOTE: This is a repost of a show recently posted from a corrupted video source, thanks to a collector who sent me a corrected copy (and many other shows). My apologies for not having noticed the glitched video on the first version.
MYSTERY GUEST: Tony Martin
PANEL: Arlene Francis, Abe Burrows, Dorothy Kilgallen, Bennett Cerf
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Watching these shows in retrospect gives us a replay of 20th century America as it was being created. We get to see Alaska and Hawaii go from territories to statehood. We see the early days of the space program, and many other historical firsts we now take for granted. When John gives out the WML address as: WML CBS 485 Madison Ave NY, NY 22 we realize USPS zip codes don't yet exist. Less obvious perhaps are the dozens and dozens of made in America businesses large and small that no longer exist. America's pop was @ 180M people in 1961, 155M fewer than today. Interesting to note 100M of that 155M has been added just in the past 30 yrs. We were a smaller much closely knit country in 1961. You can see it in the way people treated each other back then..
Ms.Lane,physically,reminded me of Jacqueline Kennedy,and her voice also,sounded like hers! A woman being a champion chess player,and on cover of Sports Illustrated,was quite a feat,especially back in sixties!
Arlene is so tactful and you can see her eyes sparkle and pick up info as she reads body language and listens carefully for cues. She does it without being pompous. She does it while making everyone around her feel very good.
She also had a habit of wearing her mask askew, allowing her to get a leftward view of the board where the celeb wrote his / her name
You seriously think Arlene Francis cheated?
YES, and she admitted to peeking through the space between her nose and the mask. She mentioned it in a televised interview on a CBC talk show in Canada around 1976. I have a copy on VHS that I recorded when the talk show (I can't recall who hosted it) was rerun in the 1990s, but can't locate it in my dozens of tapes.@@Baskerville22
Once again, the audience laughter helped. I'm glad Daily flipped the cards, it's like a thank you for coming.
Tony Martin was married to dancer Cyd Charisse for 60 years!
It was his second (and last) marriage, enduring "till death do us part," namely, Cyd Charisse's death on 17 June 2008. Tony Martin and Cyd Charisse were married for 60 years, 1 month, and 2 days.
(His first wife was singer/dancer/actress/comedienne Alice Faye. They were married for 3 years, 6 months, and 22 days - from 4 September 1937 until their divorce became final on 26 March 1941. A month and a half later, on 12 May 1941, she married Phil Harris - and their marriage was, like Tony and Cyd, long, happy and "till death do us part," lasting one day short of 54 years and 3 months, when Phil Harris died on 11 August 1995. )
Lisa Lane appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated a couple months later of this telecast in the August 7, 1961 edition. She would become the first chess player to ever appear on its cover (Bobby Fischer would do so in 1972). Lisa was still alive at age 82 in January of 2021.
I thought she looked like Carolyn Jones of Addams Family fame.
As of 2023 she is still alive.
She passed on 2/28/24
There's a certain impishness in John when he says the questioning of the last contestant will begin with Mr. Burrows as if he knew right away how the audience would react. The knowing look on Burrows' face is priceless.
He certainly ensured a quick resolve. He had to know the audience reaction would be key.
Oh, I get it, because he is bald. Clever.
Many thanks to the collector who has provided a clean version of this episode. Your reference to "many other shows" suggests that either better uploads are available to replace inferior copies or that some of the missing episodes in your collection may now be available. In any case, we are very grateful indeed.
As am I! Yes, there are some shows I'll be filling from prior to where we're at now, I think at least a dozen. I may try to fill those in when I take a break from the chronological postings for a couple of weeks. At least I've had a chance to actually, you know, *watch* the earlier shows. I'm at least 10 episodes behind what's being posted now in watching the shows myself. There aren't any more "upgrades" coming to replace prior versions. We looked for better copies of glitched early 50s shows, but we have the same source material for those shows, equally corrupted.
I wish I could credit the guy, but he wants to stay anonymous, which I can certainly understand. He's been incredibly generous in sharing his collection and his time in working on this.
+What's My Line? I have not had so much fun on any game show as I have had with What's My Line?. I still have tears to catch up. I watch over and over many of them because they are so funny. Thank you for the hard work you and Mr. Anonymous.
Edwin Rivera Thanks, Edwin! :)
Lisa Lane was a very fine player, she rose to expert level of chess play in only about 2 years. I wonder how she would do with today's training and databases of play? She would probably have been a big internet celebrity today also with her own chess channel (or more). I think she still lives in upstate NY (2022). Yiu can also find her on the show 'To Tell the Truth.'
This is the fourth comment regarding Ms. Lane, so I now must "Google" her name!
The fly paper guest was a fun one.
We still use them occasionally.
He had a lot of personality.
The Senator Gore of Tennessee mentioned by Bennett in introducing John was the father of Al Gore, the 2000 presidential candidate.
And related to Gore Vidal, yes?
The rotten fruit didn't fall far from that tree did it?
Al Gore the climate change extremist?
@@ironduke2000 No.
Not having seen the previous version of this episode, I can only imagine how messed up it was and I am grateful for any improvement. Alas, there still is some buzzing that covers some of Abe Burrows' remarks during the last segment when he is talking about what the final challenger might do to his hair.
Miss Lane was at this point married to a guy named Rich (or possibly had just gotten divorced) ; she later married a gent named Hickey, then an editor for the Columbia Journalism Review. She opened a bookstore at one point, and a chess club, and later, she and a friend (as well as her husband) opened a gift-and-New-Age store in Pawling, NY, which I am startled to find that I stopped at briefly once. (As of 2010, it was still open. Also, Miss Lane is still alive.)
Bobby Fisher may've liked her, but he had firm opinions on women in chess, which is to say, he feels they are not as good at it as men. Given Mr. WML's moderating influence, I shan't quote him about it. Or argue with quotes of his from the 60s.
Miss Lane had the strangest “no” I’ve ever heard. Very smart lady.
Bennett tries to get the flypaper vendor to admit that his product smells unpleasant. I've only bought and used it once -- came back from a vacation to find a cloud of flies in the garage around a dead mouse -- and that curly ribbon that unspools from the little cylindrical container did actually attract and trap flies as it is designed to do. I would describe the aroma of the sticky ribbon as more unusual than unpleasant, sort of a cross between molasses and petroleum, but was glad (for several reasons) not to be using it in the kitchen.
Lisa Lane also appeared on To Tell The Truth broadcast this exact same day.
thank YOU! Did anyone ever notice if Arlene ever wore the same dress more than once? Boy, could that girl wear clothes!
That would be quite a project, watching all the shows to spot a dress worn twice! I highly doubt that ever happened, though. The whole reason that the panelists started entering from offstage, rather than being introduced seated, was so that the audience could get a good look at the dresses the women wore (this according to Gil Fates, who said they got voluminous mail making this request). I doubt that women as fashion conscious as Arlene or Dorothy would have been caught dead wearing the same dress twice.
What's My Line? beforeourveryeyes
There are at least a couple of dresses that I know Arlene wore more than once during the run of the show. There is a long, dark evening gown with fur trim at the top, which I've seen her wear in at least two episodes, and possibly more. I also remember someone else on this channel commenting on a patterned summery dress that she wore and mentioning other times that she had worn it, and (if I'm remembering correctly), even providing a link to a color picture of that dress, which was quite colorful. I think it was white with big polka dots or something like that. This goes back several years in the episode list, I think. Dorothy was often seen in dark, lacy dresses, and it's a bit hard to tell in black & white whether there were several different ones or if there was one particular one which she wore a few times. My guess is that they did have certain favorites that they wore more than once on the show, but they would make sure that a suitable amount of time went by before wearing the same outfit again. Since I am watching a few episodes a day over several months, and even I don't really remember most of their dresses well enough to know if they wore them more than once or not, I would guess that very few people watching the show once a week over several years would notice such a thing -- unless they happened to be particularly fashion-conscious and/or either love or hate a particular outfit.
SaveThe TPC I hadn't noticed that. I noticed one dress that Dorothy wore at least twice, but not Arlene.Their clothes sure are spectacular. Thanks for your response!
***** a very classy lady indeed
beforeourveryeyes She has wore at least three or four dresses more than once that I have noticed.
The dress worn with the a male exercising teacher, the dress she wore where Maureen O'Hara was the mystery guest, the polka dot dress she wore when Eamon Andrews was the moderator were all dresses I've seen her wear twice at least. Im pretty sure there was a black dress she has worn more than twice.
It is interesting and probably just natural that sometimes the audience gets so excited when one of the panelists will guess something close to the occupation thus prompting the panelist to guess the answer a little too soon. This happened when Arlene said the flypaper occupation and was about to move on to something else. Just an observation. (I would probably have been one of those people.)
Yes, this audience was a great help. Their reaction at 12:35 told Arlene that her guess should have been asked positively rather than negatively. Then the raucous laughter at 21:10 when John assigned the first question for the hair stylist to Abe Burrows made it clear that it was an incongruous choice.
I read the account somewhere of a WML contestant who said that someone in the audience shouted her profession and Arlene heard and "guessed" the profession when it was next her turn. The helpful audience member was evidently friends with another contestant and wanted to make sure his or her friend made it onto the show -- there wasn't always time for three contestants (not counting the mystery guest), as you know.
Bennett was smitten with Miss Lane!
Cerfs reaction to the first mystery guest implied that he believed he is entitled to the answer he wants.
That detracts from the show.
Note to Bennett: chess needs pretty people, too you know.
T Mc: What is RKM?
Bennett is a chauvinist all the way
"That Tony Martin...I'll break his legs." - Dean Martin at the 1965 St Louis Benefit
Mr. Cowen is pretty good at self-promotion, as articles on him and the flypaper and the company (Aeroxon) keep showing up throughout the 70s. The fly-paper was in theory invented by a German baker, and some descendent of his teamed up with Cowen's father to sell it in the US. Cowen, meanwhile, went off to WWII (in the Army), and then struck off on his own and worked for General Electric, and finally joined the family business to help his dad out. Somewhere in there, he had a wife and kids and moved to Larchmont.
Aeroxon still exists, and Mr. Cowen probably died in 1987.
More than you ever want to know on this brand of fly paper (and Mr. Cowen): webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dR9c6hcR-VgJ:www.fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%252010/Yonkers%2520NY%2520Herald%2520Statesman/Yonkers%2520NY%2520Herald%2520Statesman%25201980%2520Grayscale/Yonkers%2520NY%2520Herald%2520Statesman%25201980%2520c%2520Grayscale%2520-%25200719.pdf+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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We still use fly paper occasionally.
This post is a good example of why I read the comments.
Lisa Lane--so charming. I loved the way she said, "noo"
This was a great show
Wow, what a wonderful use of words in the intro! ❤
Dorothy's hair looks cute this night.
Sometimes when I see an unfamiliar panelist to me (as in this case), I'm apprehensive.
But I'm almost always favorably impressed!
What are Supper Clubs? They use this question a lot. Dinner and entertainment?
Yes Dinner and a variety of entertainment. My Father's best friend was the Head Chef at the Latin Quarter in Manhattan. It was one of the last supper clubs, with show girls, extravaganzas, singers, bands and performers of all types. The food was first class.
What are graceful girl Lisa Lang the US women's champion 1959 amazingly graceful.
I'm one of the biggest fans of the show but I've got to say the segment with Ms. Lane was quite frustrating to watch... she was a beautiful woman indeed with a delicate voice and great composure but was it that far-fetched to consider that she might shine in an activity that was of the intellectual type... "something on your feet", "wear a costume", "is there an animal", "is there music"... I swear each panelist came up with something that had nothing to do... they even knew it was a game, they could have asked if it was a physical game or a mind game... well, at least Abe Burrows admitted that they shouldn't have ruled out the intellectual thing because of her good looks.
You can choose not to be offended by minutiae. Were you also offended for Abe Burrows being subjected to a bald joke? How often are you offended when male contestants get remarks on their physiques?
@@geraldkatz7986 not very often so I dont blame myself for getting slightly bothered every once in a while (not a fan of these trendy words like "offended") the bald jokes were made in good spirit but it does happen that the panelists insist a way too much on the contestant physique especially when they're overweight. I love the ambiance and the classiness of the era but not everything has to be romanticized...
I don't know if the final contestant was making this appearance as a publicity stunt or not, but she was a model (of the unclothed kind). I would hazard to guess if the producers knew that. You can notice her obvious assets, which she displayed for all to see in photo shoots but I don't know if that was before or after this appearance. I am assuming before.
jethro1963 I tried googling her name to read more about her, but I can't find any information. Where did you get your information on her? Thanks!
I'm also curious, since I'm getting nothin' on her.
Look up "charlotte livingstone" in quotes, and 'austria', then click images, and you'll find several pics. Be aware that it's of the geriatric nature.
First guest is the real Beth Harmon, the character from the Netflix movie The Queen's Gambit.
Hi Debra. "The Queen's Gambit" was an excellent series. If you have any interest in chess, there's a great video on RUclips where World Champion Magnus Carlsen and grandmaster Hikaru Nakamura analyze Beth's final game against Borgov. Indeed, the video would be interesting simply from the standpoint of their analysis of the situation and Beth's thinking. ruclips.net/video/9J_PvWkkvag/видео.html
According to Bennett at 1:48, Senator Al Gore, Sr. (D-TN) referred to Senator Everett Dirksen (R-IL) as ariose, mellifluous, and dulcifluent. Ariose and mellifluous are words, but I don’t think “dulcifluent” is a word. I can’t find it in the Oxford English Dictionary or in a Google search, including the Google Books Ngram Viewer. “Dulcifluous” is a word, meaning sweetly or softly flowing.
As a fellow chess player, I've read of Lisa Lane. This is the only video clip I've ever seen of her. Very happy to find it.
Like Bobby Fischer, Lane never knew her father. Unlike Fischer, Lane didn't begin playing chess until her late teens.
As mentioned, Lane won U.S. Women's Chess Championship in 1959 at the age of 21. This was just two years after she began playing the game. When she defended it for the first time, three years later in 1962, she lost to Gisela Kahn Gresser. (For 25 years, Gresser dominated women's chess in the United States. She won the U.S. Women's Chess Championship nine times from 1944 to 1969. Gresser was also the first woman to be inducted into the U.S. Chess Hall of Fame, which happened in 1992.)
Lane had a rather low Elo rating of just 2002. Compare this to Fischer, for example, who was nearing 2700 when he was that same age. That large of an Elo difference indicates a win probability for the higher rated player of 98%+.
So yes, women were not very strong chess players in the late '50s. Bobby Fischer reportedly once said, _"They can't concentrate, they don't have stamina, and they aren't creative. They are all fish."_ To him, he was just being honest. I still find it interesting that even now, today, there are many "women only" chess tournaments. And yet there are never any "men only" chess tournaments.
There’s a good reason we have women’s-only chess tournaments, but most people don’t like the answer. Chess is a high-IQ game, and there are simply fewer women in the very high (and very low) IQ bands.
OMG Abe Burrows is PAINFUL to watch during the hair questions.
He was obnoxious throughout his appearance on this show.
That Lisa Lane seemed very shy and sweet. Would have been my type of woman back then. When that second one walked out I was gonna ask if he advertises in his forehead. Holy smokes
Dorothy's hair: it looks good here, but only a few weeks later it looked matronly.
Surprised they didn't refer to her as a LADY chess player...its what they always do...normal back then I guess..so glad we are NOT in the so called good old days
I don't understand the address. At the end Mr. Daly says New York 22 New York. I live In New York City New York 10035. Is that the zip cod he is stating as 22? I know phone numbers had a name then a number. (Klondike 669).
Yes, it's strange-- All I can tell you is that I do remember that on a show dating after this one, one of the guests was a postal employee who talked about the roll out of zip codes. So I know that standardized zip codes weren't in place at this time, but I can't really explain what the "NY 22 NY" was supposed to mean exactly.
I am sure if you don't know, no one else will. I am not trying to be critical. Since you are on line... What were supper clubs? As always I am watching What's My Line?. They mention this a lot.
Edwin Rivera A supper club, pretty much, is just a restaurant that's trying to give off an air of being fancy, where people would tend to socialize with each other a lot more than in an ordinary restaurant. That's the best definition I can offer!
It just sounds odd. Supper is usually country folks. For The Panel who are in Fashionable New York City, it sounds strange. But the was the 50's and 60's. No one speaks like them any more.
+Edwin Rivera
Prior to zip codes, the post office established "postal zones" for large cities as an aid for postal clerks to sort mail. The 22 in this case was the zone. Postal zones were established in 1943.
Lisa Lane had an odd way of pronouncing "no".
Why do some guests have trouble hearing the questions from the panel?
The fly paper is that old!? And Still being used in 2015.
According to a 1976 Milwaukee Journal article found on Google, flypaper was invented in 1863 by a German baker named Frederick Kaiser.
Alan Follett I'm 83 ...I remember it well.
Abe burrows could be cross between Martin gabel and Bennet cert.
"..Don't be Ready to Pounce, John.. ."
😅😂😂😅😅😅
On the last contestant, the hair stylist, John actually gave that one away when he started with Abe Burrows and the crowd
laughed. The reference to his baldness didn't work.
I think it worked better that way. The last spot seldom went the distance anyway and its a lot funnier to see that moment then if it had been done laugh-free and then time called.
Did Dorothy go to Arlenes hairstylist the last couple of weeks? LOL
The sparkle is finally back in her eyes!
PROFESSIONAL CHESS PLAYER (U.S. WOMEN'S CHAMPION)
SELLS FLYPAPER
HAIRSTYLIST FOR MEN 😜
What was with the chess champion, Miss Lane, who kept saying “Naah “ instead of “No.” In a language-forward game show such as this, that really sounded incongruous!!! (And annoying)
Mid Atlantic or Southern regional accent. It's more of a nah-ooh than a nah, imo.
you're easily annoyed
Who was Tony Martin? Lol
Mr. Daily said "sawr"?
Weird pronounciation miss lane has, sounds English middle/upper class yet she said she was from New york. "Terribly heppelly merried " as they would say.
This show is usually far above the youtube standard! But nevertheless it frequently underestimates women!
Almost everyone did, 60 years ago.
Abe Burrows reminds me of Hal Block....rude and crude...compared to the rest of the panel....
Certainly not rude or crude.
Oh yes he is....VERY RUDE.....
I wonder if the Godfather got Tony Martin this gig on WsML?
Marlon Brando?
@@peternagy-im4be NO....I got Martin confused with Al Martino (who played Johnny Fontaine) in The Godfather
Tony Martin was Jewish! His real name was Al Morris.
Abe Burrows ruled out the chess player as intelligent because she was female. Burrows was the bigot, not Mr. Daly.
Abe Burrows , like other comedians, WASTES time trying to funny.
john always gives too much information.
Miss Lane was a little odd. Listen to her say the word "no"....I swear she was pronouncing it "nehauuu"
Galileocan g she has definitely turned it into a multi-syllable word. Bennett actually seems to be mocking her pronunciation of it just before the 8:00 minute mark.
Sexy
yes, i recognized her peculiar pronunciation of her negative replies, i found her enunciation of the word 'no' to be delicate, feminine, charming, appealing, also somewhat soothing and sexy - yes i did, and so much so that i replayed her appearance in order to enjoy her repeating the word NO.
Just a regional accent.
They had hair stylist for men in 50's?
Yes, and every single one seems to have appeared on this show.
Miss Lane ~ Nehauu
Her regional accent.
Something about that Lady hairstylist I don't like. She seems fake or something...
See earlier post
She gave the impression that hair styling was not her main source of income.
I didn't perceive anything off about the lady hairdresser. Or odd.
Chess is not sport, Daly..?? ok then
For what it's worth, 3 months after this episode of WML aired, Lisa Lane appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated. 11 years later, Bobby Fischer graced the cover of that same publication. And SI covers chess regularly.
chessforallages.blogspot.com/2017/06/sports-illustrated-on-cover.html
@@loissimmons6558 Yeah, thanks. Chess absolutely is a sport.
Lars, whether Pluto is a planet is closer call. Chess has been included in sport for decades.
In the online chess world, there is a lively debate about whether chess is a sport. Having played in hundreds of tournaments, I can attest that it is far more than simply mental exercise. Physical conditioning is vital to success in serious play. Those who haven't played competitive chess have no idea how physically draining it is; they are the ones who don't think it's a sport.
Of COURSE he has to flip over those cards :(
And there she goes again!! :D