Tent. Just got the Durston x mid 1, which was surprisingly affordable (not the pro version). I’m a bikepacker, not a backpacker. The z flick poles have 12 inch segments, which fits nicely on a bike. Total cost was way less than a dedicated bikepacking tent.
Sounds like a great set up for your bike! The X mid looks like an excellent tent. I'm definitely going to have to buy one at some point. Thank you for sharing
I've been hammocking under a tarp now for a decade. Just today I received my first dyneema tent. It's nice, but immediately after getting in after setting it up the yard, I realize that I can't see anything. I don't know if I like that...!
Great points, thanks Zeb! I still use an army tarp (bush camping). I have an army surplus tent as a back up for more open ground camping but it is too heavy to walk far with it. I like your point about setting up a tarp where ever you need, virtually free of concerns about sloping ground or heavy bush etc. When off the beaten track, established flat tent sites are not available. A tarp allows us to sleep almost anywhere. It may mean sometimes having to bed down on rough, uneven ground but a tarp will still get us out of the weather and keep us dry.
HeyZeb great video. Back in the early 80s I used a 10ft square nylon tarp with a sleeping bag cover. Like a bivy bag.The top oilskin and bottom like a cheap bunnings tarp (not light). We carried ridiculously heavy packs in those days because we could. I admire the way you have trimmed your weight without compromising your safety. Stay safe and all the best Eddie 😎 🙏
I'm a year into using a tarp and I absolutely love it!! I've slept under it over a dozen times. It's perfect to configure to any location or weather condition. It's so light that i can carry extra stuff. I use a mesh bivy with it so NO bugs. Good video bud.
@@MuddFootAT nice, that’s the bivy I got, but I haven’t used it yet. Weather cold enough that no bugs. But wondering if it would be good to use as a bathtub floor (with tarp overhead) in case of rain. What do you think?
Agree, tarp camping is really special for all the reasons you outline. I have quite a few tarps in dcf, silpoly and silnylon. I also love the MLD Cricket, which is a sort of cross-over between a tent and a tarp, with shelter on three sides but no door. Keep the videos coming!
Thank you Matthew! I think I watched a video about the MLD cricket a while a go. Interesting design. Do you find it fits that divide between tent and tarp quite well? I'd love to hear your thoughts. Cheers
@@BackcountryKiwi Yes, it sits somewhere between and a tent and a tarp. When conditions are good, I just use it with a Borah Gear bivy or a groundsheet to feel more connected to my environment, but when I need more protection, I have two inners, one solid and one mesh, from Aliexpress, which turn the Cricket into a tent. It's a cracking shelter!
Cool seeing different clips from your previous videos, a lot thought and info put into this for sure. I’m definitely not ultralight, I like being comfy but you did inspire me to try a hiker fly off the back of my ute for shelter and I’m really happy with it - cheers!
Great informative video Zeb but I'm not sold. Each to his/her own choice though. Like Outdoors Dave i prefer my tent with a tarp over creating an outdoor environment but at 71 mate I like a few comforts while out the sticks. Keep up the good work bud, love your videos. Cheers SteveG
@@leiagover345 Hi Steve! Thank you for your comment. Fair enough mate, it's not for everyone. The tarp and tent combo is a great one, especially in rainy weather. I appreciate it! Cheers
Love a tarp! My friend and I took our tarps and ponchos and strung up a shelter in winter, we weren't excepting rain, but rain it did. We fully enclosed both hammocks, set up our chairs, stoked the Biolite stove and kept warm all weekend! Try that in a tent!
Love it. Very nice presentation. I carry both - the tarp mostly for emergency shelter. Although, I would so much like to do away with the tent. However, in the moderate months, I am very concerned about snakes crawling into bed with me. No snakes and few mammals in New Zealand. You are quite lucky on the snake part. I was there a couple of years ago and it was nice not having to constantly look where I was walking.
Yeah we are very lucky in NZ to not have to worry about anything dangerous crawling into our sleeping bags haha! Makes tarp camping and cowbody camping very enjoyable. Thanks for sharing!
Most of these reasons are what I love about my Xmid tent - have used just the fly, and also can add the inner for the enclosed feel. The fly first pitch and doors open feels just like a tarp with the option to close the doors when the weather is crap! Definitely requires careful site selection though due to the larger footprint. Great video and compilation!
@@wadly312 thanks for your input! Yeah the X mid is a great tent. The biggest down side is probably the footprint but you can plan for that. I definitely need to get my self one of those tents at some point. Cheers
Tarp camping in Australia….where everything is trying to kill you…..is commitment. Snakes….not so much, spiders (including the deadly funnel web), bugs, more bugs etc. I do enjoy a mix of sort of both with a light mesh bivy under a tarp.
I’m using a happy medium between tarp and tent: Hyperlite Ultamid 1, I can get two people in it in a pinch. Weight is in between. Protects from windy rain well. Keeps bugs out mostly, I burn an incense stick to keep bugs out. Works with one trekking pole. By adding a center top tie-in point you can open both sides of the vestibule. I liked your video, I would like to see a bit more added at the end about storm pitching. I see how you can bring the foot end and sides down to the ground. What about the open head end? I suppose the tarp should be pitched foot into the wind. Cheers, great video.
@@chuckburr517 thanks for the comment! Sounds like you've got a good set up that works well for you! As far as bad weather goes, I'll typically put a low a frame with the foot end angled into the wind. I can always lower the foot end more that the head aswell. Cheers
First night in a tarp last night. Loved the connection with nature. It rained a little, I stayed dry, but wondering about windy rain. I've heard some will use an umbrella at the windward end or clip a rain jacket on their tarp to seal it off better from the rain. What are your thoughts/ solutions? Thanks for any ideas.
Hey Jeff! Yeah windy rain can be tricky and require a bit more thought. You also have to be mindful of splash back. I try to angle my tarp set up so that it blocks rain most effectively. I might throw my rain jack overtop my sleeping bag if it's really bag. Some people like a bivy bag to combine with a tarp to avoid this. Cheers
A note about bugs; in North America we have breathable house wrap referred to generically as 'tyvek'. After using tyvek for many things for the last decade, just this summer I discovered that you can pull it up over your head and shoulders, push it out away from your head, tuck the edges under you, and you can breath with no issue under the 'bubble'. It's been a game changer for me. You must use the breathable version of the product. :>)
One memorable night under my tarp, I had just dozed off when I was woken up by a furious scratching by my ear. The headlight revealed a baby rabbit, which promptly bolted. Later that same night I was woken again with strange noises. This time it was a hedgehog intent in getting into my food bag. It did not want to leave and had to be forcibly removed over a bank. These are just some of the joys of tarping.
@@stevensad38 haha thanks for sharing the memories! You definitely wouldn't have had that in a tent! I can understand that not everyone wants wildlife crawling around where they are sleeping but I think it is a really cool part of it. Cheers!
I'm a car camper so my weight sensitivity is the opposite of yours. :) I always set up a tarp (shelter from sun & precipitation, both for sleeping and daytime resting) and what I do under it depends on the season. During winter I usually set up a Morepork 1 Deluxe swag for ultimate wind/rain protection. Otherwise an appropriate sleeping bag, Alpkit Hunker XL bivvy bag, inflatable pillow and inflatable mattress does the trick. I find high temps harder to deal with than low temps!
@@danielayers sounds like a great set up! And yes I like the cold aswell. Much easier to get warm than it is to cool off when it's hot. Sounds like you've got a great set up suited to your needs! Thank you for sharing.
@@BackcountryKiwi Yep, and now we've changed into daylight savings and the weather is improving I'm hoping to be out at about a bit more around the SI.
Just found your channel and find this even more minimalist approach strong! I'm in the process of optimizing my UL setup myself. Your tarp is not a 3x3m tarp right? It's slowly getting cooler here in Germany and I think it's great that you don't freeze with your sleeping pad setup and how do you manage to get your sleeping system so small in your backpack? I have a 50L Liteway backpack and really have problems with space :D
@MarciOnTrail my white tarp is 2.6 x 2m and packs down to nothing. I can push my sleeping bad for most 3 seasons (in NZ) but I use an inflatable pad in winter. My sleeping bag also packs down to a very small size. Cheers!
Hi! It wasn't a kit but the material I bought from ripstop by the roll. The main fly is 7D nylon 66 with HyderD 300 for reinforcing the tie out points. It is 2×2.6m. It's held up amazingly so far, I wouldn't look too closely at the stitching as I'm not the best sewer haha. If there is anything else you'd like to know, fire away! Cheers
@@BackcountryKiwi7D? Wow. Mine is 15D and it seems thin. How many nigths you used it already? You feel confident with it? Mine is 3x3, its too big. Not sure yet if I want to trim it down or make myself a new one. Maybe 7D is a way to go. Any thoughts? I appreciate your approach to hiking. Regards from Poland.
Yeah they're fine. I will stick to my tent. One thing about a tent that you didn't mention is if it's buggy, I can get in my tent and move around, sit and read, eat, and relax. With a head net and sleeping bag, that's it. Your stuck. I laughed when I saw Kiwi and tarp together. You couldn't pay me enough to hike the TA without a tent. :) You guy's sand flies were worse than anything I've dealt with hiking in the US, or in Europe! haha You guys have a beautiful country, but F those sand flies! :)
Haha yeah sandflies can be pretty bad but I don't really mind them. I don't get actual bites or react from them like some people do which is lucky. I also find they tend to leave my face alone for the most part so if if I cover my arms and legs and neck I can sit at camp relatively comfortably. I'll put a bug net on when I go to sleep. Cheers!
Im curious how you stay dry in case of rain with the A-frame setup. Especially at the pole side. Do you compensate by letting the wind deside how you do your setup? Thanks for the video mate! I really enjoy your videos and kiwi spirit
@@Solace7899 thanks for the comment! Yeah the weather and environment play a big part in how I set it up. Will normally let the wind/weather dictate the type of set up, angle and direction
Compelling rationale. It’s not lost on me how hard it would have been to locate and stitch all those clips together. As you’re seen in my videos I don’t tarp tent much except over a tent and would probably prefer to hammock over a bivvy. Great video, like to see more of you & your girlfriend though, what’s happening in that space?
Tarps are great for certain places but crap for others. If you're in an area with Mosquitos you need a tent. If you're walking most of the day then camping in the river valleys you will want a tent.
@@shoutatthesky tents definitely still have there place, I'm not denying that. Personally the bug issue isn't a problem for me with a tarp. But yeah campsite selection can require a bit more thought. Thanks!
@@BackcountryKiwi Have you spent much time in the Northland forests? Mad numbers of mosquitos up there! Sandflies I can handle but mosquitoes are a totally different beast!
I'd love to know what type of shelter you use for your adventures!
Thanks for watching!
Tent. Just got the Durston x mid 1, which was surprisingly affordable (not the pro version). I’m a bikepacker, not a backpacker. The z flick poles have 12 inch segments, which fits nicely on a bike. Total cost was way less than a dedicated bikepacking tent.
Sounds like a great set up for your bike! The X mid looks like an excellent tent. I'm definitely going to have to buy one at some point.
Thank you for sharing
I've been hammocking under a tarp now for a decade. Just today I received my first dyneema tent. It's nice, but immediately after getting in after setting it up the yard, I realize that I can't see anything. I don't know if I like that...!
Im running a liteway pyraomm tarptent with an inner mesh. Love the setup with just 1 pole, but I envy a lighter and smaller option
@@Solace7899 I'll have to check this set up out! I'm unfamiliar with it.
Thanks for sharing!
Great points, thanks Zeb! I still use an army tarp (bush camping). I have an army surplus tent as a back up for more open ground camping but it is too heavy to walk far with it.
I like your point about setting up a tarp where ever you need, virtually free of concerns about sloping ground or heavy bush etc. When off the beaten track, established flat tent sites are not available. A tarp allows us to sleep almost anywhere. It may mean sometimes having to bed down on rough, uneven ground but a tarp will still get us out of the weather and keep us dry.
Thanks Dave! That's the beauty of a tarp, you have so much flexibility to find shelter almost anywhere! Hope you are well.
Cheers
Yeah man that was a good group tarp! For the win
Thanks bro! Good memories!
Cheers
HeyZeb great video. Back in the early 80s I used a 10ft square nylon tarp with a sleeping bag cover. Like a bivy bag.The top oilskin and bottom like a cheap bunnings tarp (not light). We carried ridiculously heavy packs in those days because we could. I admire the way you have trimmed your weight without compromising your safety. Stay safe and all the best Eddie 😎 🙏
Cheers Eddie, I appreciate you watching! Haha gear has definitely gotten a lot lighter these days!
I'm a year into using a tarp and I absolutely love it!! I've slept under it over a dozen times.
It's perfect to configure to any location or weather condition. It's so light that i can carry extra stuff.
I use a mesh bivy with it so NO bugs.
Good video bud.
@@MuddFootAT thank you! Glad to hear you are enjoying your set up! Not for everyone but I think it's awesome.
Cheers
What Bivvy you use?
Piñon bivy by Katabatic Gear
@@MuddFootAT nice, that’s the bivy I got, but I haven’t used it yet. Weather cold enough that no bugs. But wondering if it would be good to use as a bathtub floor (with tarp overhead) in case of rain. What do you think?
Agree, tarp camping is really special for all the reasons you outline. I have quite a few tarps in dcf, silpoly and silnylon. I also love the MLD Cricket, which is a sort of cross-over between a tent and a tarp, with shelter on three sides but no door. Keep the videos coming!
Thank you Matthew!
I think I watched a video about the MLD cricket a while a go. Interesting design. Do you find it fits that divide between tent and tarp quite well? I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Cheers
@@BackcountryKiwi Yes, it sits somewhere between and a tent and a tarp. When conditions are good, I just use it with a Borah Gear bivy or a groundsheet to feel more connected to my environment, but when I need more protection, I have two inners, one solid and one mesh, from Aliexpress, which turn the Cricket into a tent. It's a cracking shelter!
Cool seeing different clips from your previous videos, a lot thought and info put into this for sure. I’m definitely not ultralight, I like being comfy but you did inspire me to try a hiker fly off the back of my ute for shelter and I’m really happy with it - cheers!
@@tleej26 thanks TJ! That's so awesome to hear you liked your tarp set up! I'm glad it worked for you.
Cheers!
Yep - a tarp is my preferred shelter for all the same reasons you ‘ve covered. But most of all, because I like building forts! 😂
@@tearoha.hohaia haha that's a very good reason!
Thanks!
Great informative video Zeb but I'm not sold. Each to his/her own choice though. Like Outdoors Dave i prefer my tent with a tarp over creating an outdoor environment but at 71 mate I like a few comforts while out the sticks. Keep up the good work bud, love your videos. Cheers SteveG
@@leiagover345 Hi Steve! Thank you for your comment. Fair enough mate, it's not for everyone. The tarp and tent combo is a great one, especially in rainy weather.
I appreciate it!
Cheers
Love a tarp! My friend and I took our tarps and ponchos and strung up a shelter in winter, we weren't excepting rain, but rain it did. We fully enclosed both hammocks, set up our chairs, stoked the Biolite stove and kept warm all weekend! Try that in a tent!
Sounds like a great time out! What are your thoughts on the biolite stove? I've always been curious about them.
Cheers!
Good Zeb. Loved it. Tony.
@@ABCampingTony Thanks heaps Tony! Glad you liked it.
Cheers
Love it. Very nice presentation. I carry both - the tarp mostly for emergency shelter. Although, I would so much like to do away with the tent. However, in the moderate months, I am very concerned about snakes crawling into bed with me. No snakes and few mammals in New Zealand. You are quite lucky on the snake part. I was there a couple of years ago and it was nice not having to constantly look where I was walking.
Yeah we are very lucky in NZ to not have to worry about anything dangerous crawling into our sleeping bags haha! Makes tarp camping and cowbody camping very enjoyable.
Thanks for sharing!
Most of these reasons are what I love about my Xmid tent - have used just the fly, and also can add the inner for the enclosed feel.
The fly first pitch and doors open feels just like a tarp with the option to close the doors when the weather is crap!
Definitely requires careful site selection though due to the larger footprint.
Great video and compilation!
@@wadly312 thanks for your input! Yeah the X mid is a great tent. The biggest down side is probably the footprint but you can plan for that.
I definitely need to get my self one of those tents at some point.
Cheers
@@BackcountryKiwi if you care - I ordered direct from Durston and was here in Dunedin NZ in about a week with no issues :)
@@wadly312 awesome. Thanks for the info!
Great video mate 👍🏾 I love a tarp over top of a bivvy bag, I've found my sleeping bag gets dew on it if I don't.
@@endlesspursuit-huntingnz9768 Thanks mate! Yeah fair enough, a bivy bag is a good addition. Too heavy for me though haha.
Cheers!
@@BackcountryKiwi I guess it depends how weight-sensitive you are. The Alpkit Hunker is
Tarp camping in Australia….where everything is trying to kill you…..is commitment.
Snakes….not so much, spiders (including the deadly funnel web), bugs, more bugs etc.
I do enjoy a mix of sort of both with a light mesh bivy under a tarp.
You are not wrong luckily I don't live in Australia. I'm in New Zealand where none of the animals are out to kill me!
Cheers
Informative and beneficial video!
@@corleyoutdoors2887 thank you!
I love using my old army hootchie in close country. Basically a single fly. Open country I prefer a tent
Fair points! Yeah bush/forest environments are definitely more suitable for a tarp.
Cheers!
Great video mate!
@@BennyHarry thanks heaps bro!
I’m using a happy medium between tarp and tent: Hyperlite Ultamid 1, I can get two people in it in a pinch. Weight is in between. Protects from windy rain well. Keeps bugs out mostly, I burn an incense stick to keep bugs out. Works with one trekking pole. By adding a center top tie-in point you can open both sides of the vestibule.
I liked your video, I would like to see a bit more added at the end about storm pitching. I see how you can bring the foot end and sides down to the ground. What about the open head end? I suppose the tarp should be pitched foot into the wind. Cheers, great video.
@@chuckburr517 thanks for the comment! Sounds like you've got a good set up that works well for you!
As far as bad weather goes, I'll typically put a low a frame with the foot end angled into the wind. I can always lower the foot end more that the head aswell.
Cheers
First night in a tarp last night. Loved the connection with nature. It rained a little, I stayed dry, but wondering about windy rain. I've heard some will use an umbrella at the windward end or clip a rain jacket on their tarp to seal it off better from the rain. What are your thoughts/ solutions? Thanks for any ideas.
Hey Jeff! Yeah windy rain can be tricky and require a bit more thought. You also have to be mindful of splash back. I try to angle my tarp set up so that it blocks rain most effectively. I might throw my rain jack overtop my sleeping bag if it's really bag.
Some people like a bivy bag to combine with a tarp to avoid this.
Cheers
@@BackcountryKiwiThanks
A note about bugs; in North America we have breathable house wrap referred to generically as 'tyvek'. After using tyvek for many things for the last decade, just this summer I discovered that you can pull it up over your head and shoulders, push it out away from your head, tuck the edges under you, and you can breath with no issue under the 'bubble'. It's been a game changer for me. You must use the breathable version of the product. :>)
@@peterjohnson6273 huh cool. I've heard of tyvek but I didn't know there was a breathable version. Very cool use for it!
Cheers
Great channel. Any chance we could get a gear list in the description? Can't beat recommendations from experienced outdoorsman... :)
Thanks for the support!
I've put some of the gear I use in the description!
Cheers
One memorable night under my tarp, I had just dozed off when I was woken up by a furious scratching by my ear. The headlight revealed a baby rabbit, which promptly bolted. Later that same night I was woken again with strange noises. This time it was a hedgehog intent in getting into my food bag. It did not want to leave and had to be forcibly removed over a bank. These are just some of the joys of tarping.
@@stevensad38 haha thanks for sharing the memories! You definitely wouldn't have had that in a tent! I can understand that not everyone wants wildlife crawling around where they are sleeping but I think it is a really cool part of it.
Cheers!
I'm a car camper so my weight sensitivity is the opposite of yours. :) I always set up a tarp (shelter from sun & precipitation, both for sleeping and daytime resting) and what I do under it depends on the season. During winter I usually set up a Morepork 1 Deluxe swag for ultimate wind/rain protection. Otherwise an appropriate sleeping bag, Alpkit Hunker XL bivvy bag, inflatable pillow and inflatable mattress does the trick. I find high temps harder to deal with than low temps!
@@danielayers sounds like a great set up! And yes I like the cold aswell. Much easier to get warm than it is to cool off when it's hot. Sounds like you've got a great set up suited to your needs!
Thank you for sharing.
@@BackcountryKiwi Yep, and now we've changed into daylight savings and the weather is improving I'm hoping to be out at about a bit more around the SI.
@@danielayers awesome to hear! Happy hiking!
Just found your channel and find this even more minimalist approach strong! I'm in the process of optimizing my UL setup myself.
Your tarp is not a 3x3m tarp right?
It's slowly getting cooler here in Germany and I think it's great that you don't freeze with your sleeping pad setup and how do you manage to get your sleeping system so small in your backpack? I have a 50L Liteway backpack and really have problems with space :D
@MarciOnTrail my white tarp is 2.6 x 2m and packs down to nothing. I can push my sleeping bad for most 3 seasons (in NZ) but I use an inflatable pad in winter.
My sleeping bag also packs down to a very small size.
Cheers!
A lot easier to pack up a wet tarp vs a wet tent.
I haven't used a tent in prolly 30 years.
set it up anywhere, don't need flat ground.
@@AlaskanInsights absolutely! Love to hear it 👊
Cheers
Love to know a bit more about your tarp mate. Materials etc - is it a kit from RipStopByTheRoll or did you design it yourself?
Hi!
It wasn't a kit but the material I bought from ripstop by the roll.
The main fly is 7D nylon 66 with HyderD 300 for reinforcing the tie out points. It is 2×2.6m.
It's held up amazingly so far, I wouldn't look too closely at the stitching as I'm not the best sewer haha.
If there is anything else you'd like to know, fire away!
Cheers
@@BackcountryKiwi7D?
Wow.
Mine is 15D and it seems thin.
How many nigths you used it already? You feel confident with it?
Mine is 3x3, its too big. Not sure yet if I want to trim it down or make myself a new one. Maybe 7D is a way to go.
Any thoughts?
I appreciate your approach to hiking.
Regards from Poland.
Yeah they're fine. I will stick to my tent. One thing about a tent that you didn't mention is if it's buggy, I can get in my tent and move around, sit and read, eat, and relax. With a head net and sleeping bag, that's it. Your stuck. I laughed when I saw Kiwi and tarp together. You couldn't pay me enough to hike the TA without a tent. :) You guy's sand flies were worse than anything I've dealt with hiking in the US, or in Europe! haha You guys have a beautiful country, but F those sand flies! :)
Haha yeah sandflies can be pretty bad but I don't really mind them. I don't get actual bites or react from them like some people do which is lucky. I also find they tend to leave my face alone for the most part so if if I cover my arms and legs and neck I can sit at camp relatively comfortably. I'll put a bug net on when I go to sleep.
Cheers!
tarp for life
@@davef5916 woop woop! Definitely.
Cheers
What is your tarp made of, where did you get it?
Hi! My white tarp is made of 7D silnylon 66. I made it my self, I bought the material from ripstop by the roll.
Cheers!
Damn hardcore bro.
@@damianlim1499 Thank you!
Im curious how you stay dry in case of rain with the A-frame setup. Especially at the pole side. Do you compensate by letting the wind deside how you do your setup?
Thanks for the video mate! I really enjoy your videos and kiwi spirit
@@Solace7899 thanks for the comment! Yeah the weather and environment play a big part in how I set it up. Will normally let the wind/weather dictate the type of set up, angle and direction
Compelling rationale. It’s not lost on me how hard it would have been to locate and stitch all those clips together. As you’re seen in my videos I don’t tarp tent much except over a tent and would probably prefer to hammock over a bivvy. Great video, like to see more of you & your girlfriend though, what’s happening in that space?
@@OutdoorsmanDave Hey Dave. Thanks, it did take quite some time!
We are currently traveling in Mexico!
Cheers
@@BackcountryKiwi I want your life
I like caravan camping now. And day walks. Haha.
@@Psalm119Beth fair enough! I don't blame you haha.
Thanks for watching!
Tarps are great for certain places but crap for others. If you're in an area with Mosquitos you need a tent. If you're walking most of the day then camping in the river valleys you will want a tent.
@@shoutatthesky tents definitely still have there place, I'm not denying that. Personally the bug issue isn't a problem for me with a tarp. But yeah campsite selection can require a bit more thought.
Thanks!
@@BackcountryKiwi Have you spent much time in the Northland forests? Mad numbers of mosquitos up there! Sandflies I can handle but mosquitoes are a totally different beast!
@@shoutatthesky I haven't spent any time further than the Waikato. I'll take your word for it!
Cheers
Don’t forget the rifle 😎
@@hobocyclist haha I don't hunt but carrying a tarp saves weight for the rifle!
Cheers
Aint tarp camping in SEQ with are deadly critters.
I'm in NZ! No deadly critters here.
Cheers
Insects. That's what will never let me use a tarp. And no, I will not sleep with a net over my head. Otherwise, they are brilliant.
@@amitzdullnicker2k fair enough. Thanks!