A old time coin dealer once told me about the 1909-S Indian cent, that there was a counterfeiter in the San Francisco Bay area in the 1960’s that was extremely good counterfeiter of the 1909-S Indian cent. He had an example and we compare it to the one I purchased on EBay. It was extremely hard to tell the difference. Fortunately, I got a graded and it came back AU58
Ben, you're really good at explaining how to recognize this counterfeit, all in just a few minutes. As usual, your excellent visuals to provide context and true understanding. TY.
Thanks for the Video Ben from, me "the friend of the show" that sent in the coin. I hope it helps others "not get fooled again" a-la-Pete Townshend. :-) I bought this coin on ebay about 10 years ago but did not send it in to get graded until a few years later with a group I sent in. Alas, I can not find the old transaction to chase down who ever sold it to me. Who knows they may have been folled too? I have learned a lot on what to look for, but there are so many good fakes of all kinds, its hard to keep up. Thanks again!
Thanks for the info. I've been wanting to add the 1909 s IHC to my collection. I will definitely be careful when looking for this coin. It seems like counterfeit coin are everywhere these days.
You can often spot an altered 1909-S by looking at the obverse. It's true. A genuine 1909-S will always be lacking detail on the first feather of Liberty's headress. A 1909-P, at least in high grade, is expected to show full detail in that feather. So if you have a 1909-S with full detail in the first feather, you can be sure it's altered with an added S.
I got a fake one on eBay many years ago when I bought a partial Whitman album of IHCs. I pushed on it with a toothpick and it moved. Luckily I didn't pay much for the lessons.
I bought something similar in 2004- my first counterfeit purchase. The giveaway that I didn't notice was a blob of toning between the one cent that covered the casting mark. Looking back, it was a stupid thing to do in buying it- but I was emerging from being a straight bullion guy into coin collecting.
There are only 2 reverse dies for the 1909-S Indian, and the "S" punch is the same as the 1908-S. If you learn to recognize that characteristic open "S" with parallel serifs, you'll weed out the fakes.
Like you said, I would have lined it up with the ribbon above the S. Very informative and crucial to know if you are buying one of these. This counterfeit was a good one and would fool most collectors. Have a great and safe holiday season.
Thanks for all you do to keep collectors informed. There are so many counterfeits on the market these days coming from all over the world, including the U.S. Today you not only need to be very knowledgeable how to grade the coins you're collecting, but need to be an expert to detect counterfeits.
Did you ever think to consider that maybe Coin Grading companies are creating these problems so that they could be used to grade coins? They would have a vested interest to do so.
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Ben: Wow! This is why you always get higher-valued coins slabbed by PCGS or NGC. Great lesson for all of us! Cheers.
A old time coin dealer once told me about the 1909-S Indian cent, that there was a counterfeiter in the San Francisco Bay area in the 1960’s that was extremely good counterfeiter of the 1909-S Indian cent. He had an example and we compare it to the one I purchased on EBay. It was extremely hard to tell the difference. Fortunately, I got a graded and it came back AU58
Ben, you're really good at explaining how to recognize this counterfeit, all in just a few minutes. As usual, your excellent visuals to provide context and true understanding. TY.
Happy holidays to you and your family Ben ⛄🎄🦌
Very important information Ben !! Thank you!!
Thanks for the Video Ben from, me "the friend of the show" that sent in the coin. I hope it helps others "not get fooled again" a-la-Pete Townshend. :-) I bought this coin on ebay about 10 years ago but did not send it in to get graded until a few years later with a group I sent in. Alas, I can not find the old transaction to chase down who ever sold it to me. Who knows they may have been folled too? I have learned a lot on what to look for, but there are so many good fakes of all kinds, its hard to keep up. Thanks again!
Thanks Ben
Suggestion: Set the coin(s) on a stable holder/table with a camera tripod.. Holding in hand requires two things to be still. Hard to do.
Thanks for the info. I've been wanting to add the 1909 s IHC to my collection. I will definitely be careful when looking for this coin. It seems like counterfeit coin are everywhere these days.
You can often spot an altered 1909-S by looking at the obverse. It's true. A genuine 1909-S will always be lacking detail on the first feather of Liberty's headress. A 1909-P, at least in high grade, is expected to show full detail in that feather. So if you have a 1909-S with full detail in the first feather, you can be sure it's altered with an added S.
Excellent - and a very merry Christmas to you and yours
Excellent video.
So how do they attach the fake "s", super glue?
I got a fake one on eBay many years ago when I bought a partial Whitman album of IHCs. I pushed on it with a toothpick and it moved. Luckily I didn't pay much for the lessons.
Never really thought about the added mintmark being raised. Glad you brought that to attention. Thank you
Excellent information Ben! That is a scary good counterfeit but with the right information can be detected without too much difficulty
Merry Christmas , Ben! Now I’m going to have to take another look at the one I received from my Grandmother about 40-45 years ago.
Wow, it does look like it's stuck on. But i could never tell unless you had the two side by side, Thanks.
Is the embossed mint mark easier to spot?
Any idea on how they got it to stick to the coin?
I bought something similar in 2004- my first counterfeit purchase.
The giveaway that I didn't notice was a blob of toning between the one cent that covered the casting mark.
Looking back, it was a stupid thing to do in buying it- but I was emerging from being a straight bullion guy into coin collecting.
There are only 2 reverse dies for the 1909-S Indian, and the "S" punch is the same as the 1908-S. If you learn to recognize that characteristic open "S" with parallel serifs, you'll weed out the fakes.
Like you said, I would have lined it up with the ribbon above the S. Very informative and crucial to know if you are buying one of these. This counterfeit was a good one and would fool most collectors. Have a great and safe holiday season.
Thanks Ben, for showing & explaining to us. Merry Christmas
Thanks for all you do to keep collectors informed. There are so many counterfeits on the market these days coming from all over the world, including the U.S. Today you not only need to be very knowledgeable how to grade the coins you're collecting, but need to be an expert to detect counterfeits.
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Yes, I can see the difference.
Aren't mintmarks from this era hand-punched into the dies? I'd expect some variation in every die-to-die.
Wow that is scary and would be a very expensive mistake to purchase, I feel for the person who got took buying the counterfeit.
Man I hate counterfeiters. Thanks for sharing this with us!
Good stuff to know. 👍 Thanks!! Do you see things like this with 1912 V nickels as well?
get a certifeid one unless you are at expert level
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Did you ever think to consider that maybe Coin Grading companies are creating these problems so that they could be used to grade coins? They would have a vested interest to do so.