What's the fastest (officially supported) Windows 98 PC?
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2020
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This is part 2 of "The QUEST For The ULTIMATE Windows 98 PC". Watch part 1 here: • The QUEST For The ULTI...
You may notice at 19:23, the system information dialog says "Windows Me" instead of "Windows 98". Rest assured, it's still 98 (the version number 4.10.2222 A is very specifically 98SE, Me's would be 4.90.3000). This is actually an odd side effect of installing the USB mass storage device drivers. I'm not sure why, maybe those drivers were backported from Me? Feel free to try the driver if you'd like to see for yourself: vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?...
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What about the slowest computer that supports windows 10? Hehe
I second this
i dont like you
Sup?
Aka my computer
@@Abdullah-py9sr lmao
That elongated Windows boot sound is like an itch I can't scratch.
I remember making a video of all the Windows startup sounds slowed down years ago. Edit: 9 years ago. ruclips.net/video/plGnyuZGHoY/видео.html
@@DCookStaVideo cool
It's from using "Timstretch" on the boot sound.
@@Dwedit It's like "Oh, that's the Win98 startup sound!" And then "No, wait..." And then "Yup, that's cool!"
I knew it. Wasn’t sure what that was, but it was familiar. I remember it’s always been like this with 95 and 98. Took long time to make it run well and maintain.
"The only nut I'm feeling is one directly into my eye." (9:48)
- MattKC, 2020
why is this not the first comment?
Guys do not like it anymore because it's perfect
@@Giovanni12332 did he mean jizz?
@@cosettapessa6417 😉
@@cosettapessa6417 yup
this channel is basically THE right one to discover at night.
I also like messing around with old and new hardware, trying impossible things just like installing windows 7 to my pentium III laptop (and it just worked fine after upgrading to 512mb ram)
*opens chrome
5 years later it loads
@@rexa06 So.... the comment says posted 4 months ago, see you're exaggerating it was never 5 years!!!
It was only 4 months, that's a totally reasonable load time for my 492 Chrome tabs featuring flat earth nonsense and goblin pornography.
🤣
@@DailyCorvid goblin pornography 🤨🤨🤨
@@DailyCorvid goblin what 😳
ayo@@DailyCorvid
Ayy thanks for the shoutout! Also, the Minecraft game itself was completely unpatched. The only things that were patched were the dependencies for the game.
Interesting
omg u also watch pc vids xD didn't knoe that
I have to hand it to the Java devs on this one, “write once, run anywhere” must have some truth to it!
As much as I dislike programming in Java (it’s so verbose), maybe I can learn to love another JVM-compatible language. (Kotlin or Scala?)
Ayy, the guy's here!
Hi Sal, Thank you so much for introducing me to Matt! wouldn't have ever seen his channel if it weren't for you!
PS: I forgot exactly how... but it really, really had something to do with you!
I worked on a museum where we had three computers which the visitors could interact with. They were all running different versions of Windows. 95, 98 and 2000.
Part of my daily routine was to start em up, I remember the one with 95 was the fastest one and 98 and 2000 took forever to boot. Funny thing is that we where running them until 2016 and they did their job mostly alright without any major problems. I loved hearing the nostalgic boot up jingles every morning :)
That's nice!
What was the museum?
Luuckkyyyy
Get a few more computers, one with xp, one with vista, one with 7, one with 8, and one with 10.
In 2016 some users were still using xp as main os and very rarely even w98! Actually even now someone is still doing that. Windows 7 in the other hand will never ever vanish
I believe the CPU compatibility could be improved by using the third party tools to expand the BIOS into its individual parts, replacing CPU microcode by a newer one, putting it back together and flashing it (I did that on my motherboard to update PXE ROM and AHCI/RAID ROM part and it still works to this day).
thats cool, you could make a tutorial with that one
@@cursordgod2935
There are some available already and it really depends on what you want to achieve (have a better CPU support, being able to use big disk drives with old motherboard, improve feature set when booting from network, unlock some hidden options... ) search for "Win-Raid Forums" but beware: it's a deep rabbit hole :-)
Do you still know what you used to do that
or you could crash your whole system when you mess it up lol
opposite Linus Tech Tips
Chat: Did you do it?
Matt: Yes
Chat: What did it cost?
Matt: Everything
@@obscurevgm2759 ok
A ducking year.
@@obscurevgm2759 everyone does
Me: I have a tiny wang
@@obscurevgm2759 ok
I hate going through endless troubleshooting, but watching someone else do it? Unending fun!
Probably because it's cathartic. Being on the outside looking in gives the process perspective.
Fun is infinite
@@DarkTails256I KNOW THAT QUOTE!!!!
@@JacksonDevices yess
is that from the fnaf@@DarkTails256
I appreciate that you show the system not working at 8:06 - its good to see the troubleshoot process and a good learning opportunity for anyone watching.
Legit this is such a cool video. You put so much work into it obviously and months and months of time. Awesome work man. I genuinely love all your content. The videos from your streams are great too
"how could a driver that shipped with it already be causing problems?"
it's windows 98. it just comes with the territory.
Plug and play? More like plug and pray.
Back when loading drivers from CD was common, commonly given advice was to forget about that and download the latest from the website. The CD drivers were fixed in time and were usually made before any user feedback.
@@Cyberc50x lol
@@Cyberc50x That's the name of the Computer Radio Show I have in concept :D
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 this. Unless you were buying hardware on launch day, installing the 1.0 drivers on the CD was always a terrible idea.
I can't believe how much effort was put in this video. I love it.
and i cant believe he forgot the monitors
321st like
(Sorry for bad English) He didnt only put effort into this video, it's the dream of a man, the achievement that he set himself to go for. The video is only a way to share it to us.
Dude - that was a very cool project! I just cleaned and upgraded a 1999 IBM Aptiva desktop PC. I need a gameport. The one on the motherboard became disabled in the BIOs and just disappeared so I had to use an Ensoniq sound card. All kinds of problems - Windows 98 was unstable. I’d forgotten how weak and slow it was. Great video.
is it just me or could team fortress 2 run?????? it would be cool, but could it run????
Now we need a follow up where you get the e8600 running on the motherboard by inserting its microcode into the bios
Thanks for the nostalgia, I have no intentions of installing anything pre XP ever again so it's nice to see it once more
Bro these games are mandatory:
- CS 1.5
- Unreal Tournament GOTYE
- Battlefield 1942 + Desert Combat Mod
cs 1.6 probably
@@sebastianteaca7794 No
You forgot Mafia, Red Alert 2, Diablo, Diablo 2, StarCraft, Duke Nukem 3D, Max Payne
Hl1
Need For Speed: Underground is mandatory.
I was waiting so long for this
me too
Same
Yep
I remember coming across the laptop one ages ago not long after he released it... Maybe within a month or so? So glad to see a resolution finally!!!
Same.
the pinball sounds were pure nostalgia. 98 was my first OS (was probably cheap seeing as xp and 2000 had to have been out by then) and I loved it dearly.
Very fun to watch! Subscribed! Great effort, thanks for all.
8:16
That's the most true statement I've ever heard about programming.
Haha yeah totally agree
I think what is going to Break when that happens.
Program doesn't start the first try: Okay, I expect this, where and why did you break? Let me throw in a few print statements and maybe a break or two. Shouldn't take too long.
Program starts first try: What did I do wrong? How could this happen to me? Do I even know how to program? Should I throw in the towel and start over? Should I just become Amish?
@@Triumph263 when it works the first try, I'm just checking everything, making sure the result is correct, making sure it doesn't randomly crash, etc.
when it doesn't work first try: do a small fix and assume the program just works now lol.
Nah bro you’re so dumb
The fact you can do this is a triumph of so many engineers over time at multiple companies.
I agree. Even though it's not the best experience, the idea that this is still possible today is an engineering win
@@qpSubZeroqp loved all the abilities of old motherboards . So many cool functions .
Dude - that was a very cool project! I just cleaned and upgraded a 1999 IBM Aptiva desktop PC. I need a gameport. The one on the motherboard became disabled and disappeared so I had to use an Ensoniq sound card. All kinds of problems - Windows 98 was unstable. I’d forgotten how weak and slow it was. Great video.
Really cool you have subtitles on this over half hour video. I don't need it myself, but personally I just like to have them on and there are people who do need to have subtitles, so really cool you bothered to actually put them in and not use the really bad RUclips auto-generated ones.
34:52 THE FAMOUS WINDOWS 98 SHUTDOWN BUG!! Oh, man! I spent so much time dealing with that for my business clients back in the day. :)
@Jimmy S Well, I don't recall us trying that! If I ever go back in time, along with advice to buy Bitcoin, Apple stock and VMWare stock, I'll tell me to try the shutdown audio. :)
I’m trying to recall what caused it and what the fix was but I can’t for the life of me remember
Oh wow. That must've sucked. My WinXP at the time was buggy (for instance, I would be lucky to hear working sound) but at least it knew how to shutdown properly!
Im suprised this virus is still around xD
@Jimmy S Then went to crap Vista 7 was ok 10 crap by then I went linux for 9years
Pro tip: Disable the windows start up sounds and watch a great improvement in your startup speed ! Awesome content btw ;)
yep, loading the sound byte actually took system resources back then!
Guess you must be joking, right?
@@BilisNegra For the record, I was being dead serious. In that era I used to work as a professional pc technician solving Windows 95-98 and NT problems for customers all day long. One of the many 'tweaks' for faster start up of Windos 98 was disabling the windows startup sound with the reason being that Microsoft had litteraly programmed in waiting time until this (pretty long) sound had finished. Disabling the start up sound removed that waiting time resulting in faster load.
@andrew342003 not every NT 4.0 computer had audio support/sounds enabled/audio drivers installed.
@@andyvanderbeken3729 the man who set up our first PC (who also did hifis) had replaced the startup sound with a veeery crunchy sample of Home Simpson saying “aw, there’s only one beer left and its Barr’s”, from that labelmaker episode. It was a lot shorter of a sound, I dunno if that would’ve helped while still having some delay? Or if he just did it because he liked it rather than for speed.
One of the better things I saw recently 💪. Thanks
Man I love your channel it’s so calming to watch you open up consoles maybe try and buy a couple ds’s and try and fix them?
35:47 Windows XP username: discount Markiplier
Jesus Matt, I'm laughing at that every time I see it.
and may I add, the man's A: drive is named Kappa and the icon is literally Kappa
@@nikopack7571 so uhhhhhhhh, how do I change the icon?
@@aretard7995 secret
i scrolled up and liked the vid after liking this comment lol
j e s u s m a t t
Damn boi, new video!
Ooooh papa flammy wat you doin' here?
Oh wow, papa is here...
Papa? Is.. Is it you?
I can't believe this is my first time seeing your channel. Shame on the algorithm for not feeding this to me sooner.
Also love seeing DankPods in your patreon list so much hahaha
I enjoy your videos man, You do a great job, good personality and sense of humor. Thankyou for making them. I really enjoyed the video about the Japanese version Legos island.
Hey but I wanted to write out here, how I have found installing things in a specific order to work best.
I hope it may be helpful or someone finds it useful.
Use the win98 se oem cd to startup with cdrom support. From (A:) Run fdisk, if your hard drive is over 40 gb my advise is to partition it into two parts. And use percentages. So ultimately making the first partition like no bigger than 10 gb. That’s where you will install the os. (C:) make it active. Then create a second partition (d:) with the remaining size of the drive. Bingo even if the numbers glitch out with the actual size of the drive because it’s too large, it will work if you use percentages. Format them by once again booting into dos prompt using cdrom support. (Depending on your masters and slaves it should be like
•E:
•Cd Win98
•Format C: /q (if it says you have to do a full format opposed to the quick format, then that’s what you will have to do.)
I personally don’t use hard drives much over 100gb there is no point in windows 98. You could always create a little local area network and transfer that way or just like you did. Usb. You can also create a custom cd image of the oem cd and add the usb drivers on the image so when you install the os you already have access to the drivers.
Go into bios and disable things you will not be using… like serial ports.. parallel ports.. frees up irq and resources… makes things run much better.
Install wind98se=install Usb drivers(nusb33e)=install CHIPSET DRIVERS (very important) =install graphics drivers=install sound drivers=install any other interface or board drivers like Lan cards or USB ports or ect cards.= install msi package reader = install winrar = install internet explorer 6= install the most recent unofficial win98 service pack 3 main core updates= install direct x 9.0c = install performance tweaks pack.= then install kernel ex( I don’t even bother with kernel ex personally, if I want to run newer stuff I’ll use xp.)
And lastly I setup dos, depending on my plans for the build I’m doing. MotherBoards with ISA for older win 98 build. PCI slots and agp and pci express for newer build.
(Phil’s computer lab is the place to go for the dos information)
When all that’s done. I boot into safe mode and let safe mode do it’s thing for a few minutes and then I restart back into normal windows.
If it has not blue screened or crashed by this point, I usually feel pretty confident about the build.
Something to keep in mind though about graphics cards in win 98, Do not attempt to use any nvidia card over the fx series in win98. 6 series cards are not supported and do not work with older graphic apis and effects like fog and 8bit textures.
And when it comes to ram.. I usually stop at like 512mb now, there is stuff you can do to make win 98 like more than that.. but, there is no application in win98 that will need more than that unless you are using win98 for professional type software. Music or video for example.
And that’s all that comes to mind at the moment. It took me a long time to finally kinda figure out a system to all this. One that seems to work. Win 98 can be stable, it’s just unforgiving. So yeah making an image back up is a very good idea.
I own this exact same ASUS motherboard and very similar hardware, and running 98 has been pretty much a flawless experience on my end. There are a LOT of issues shown in your video that can be solved with a few simple BIOS setting changes, and a clearer understanding of how the hardware interacts with the operating system. It's understandable if you don't have a ton of knowledge about much older hardware like this, but it's definitely something you can learn! The stuff from the 98 and XP era were the last generations that tended to expect more intimate knowledge from users on a system-wide level when building custom machines.
Correctly! And that's why you learned a ton of stuff, even if you didn't want to become an actual geek. But forced to solve all kinds of issues just to play games, automatically brought you into the territory.
@@drumsmoker731 indeed
Very true, the older hardware required more attention to configuration.
Windows 98 was actually a very stable OS, if intsalled and maintained correctly.
To be fair most of his issues are rather basic with only 1 that is not as obvious.
like:
Using devices that he knows Windows 98 has to great if any support for (Sata)
Not double checking CPU to mother board compatibility ahead of time.
Using rather late drivers when its a somewhat known issues (he after all mentioned it) that the last few NVIDIA drivers for 98 were trash and caused often nothing but issues.(this is the not as obvious one because who would expect the latter drivers to be worse)
And using onboard audio when many early onboard audio chips were that great (I didn't see this as a obscure issue as with the aim for an ultimate Windows 98 machine which was his goal should a proper sound card have been a absolut requirement from the start)
34:48 Need to enable ACPI. When you start the Windows 98 Setup via command line, it should look like this: setup.exe /ie /im /is /iv /nr /P j
17:04 Since ACPI wasn't enabled, the HD controller started in real-mode (16-bit) and demands an IRQ instead of using DMA, likely the cause of the audio not working initially.
Note for people reading this from a fellow 98 enthusiast:
It's the /p j flag that installs ACPI. The rest of the flags are there for other reasons.
So just setup /p j is what you need.
SIDE NOTE: The /is flag is for disabling scandisk. I recommend it, especially on SSDs.
@Alalbann i only hear Pew Pew Pew I'm pro
Disabled ACPI should drop you off at "It is now safe to shut down." and still have reboots work, it's only shutdowns it can't do fully on its own. This system is stuck in the process of shutting down, not after it.
@Alalbann You get lost? This isn't a Fortnite video.
Are you telling me that sound isnt working cuz he didnt set his hard drive up properly?
i love this kind of video. nice work sir :)
What a trip! I saw all the 3 videos today.
This reminds me of MJD.
I've been building retro PC's for years, and I can totally understand all the steps you went through to build this. For my 'Ultimate 98 build' I went with the Asrock 775i65G R3.0. In my opinion, this is the best board you can use for an ultimate 98 build. It supports Core 2 chips with up to 1066MHz FSB, which includes some of the newer 45nm Wolfdale chips that are capable of being overclocked to the 3.5-4.0GHz range, if you desire. The E8600 isn't officially supported by any of these 775 boards because it uses a 1333MHz FSB. The most popular choice if you're looking to overclock is the Pentium E5800 because it starts with an 800MHz FSB which gives a lot of overhead for FSB overclocking, but it's still a beast even in stock form @ 3.2GHz.
What do you mean officially supported? Is there a way to make it run?
@@SOTP. I haven't tried the E8600 or any of the Wolfdale chips that support 1333MHz FSB, so I'm not sure if they will work. The Asrock 775i65G R3.0 board doesn't 'officially' support 1333MHz FSB CPU's, but it can achieve that FSB through overclocking. The E8600 might post and require a manual overclock to get the CPU working at it's correct frequency, or it might not even post because the bios doesn't recognize or support the E8600 'officially'. I'm sure someone out there has tried it and reported their results, I'd check the VOGONS forum.
damn, I have that exact board with a Celeron D but did not know it was a good board for the time. I remember putting an extra RAM stick in it but it was incompatible, probably because it had double sided RAM chips or something. I have no clue if the PC still works, its been 5 years since I booted it up.
@@IronicTonic8 ok.
I have a board with 945P chipset, which does support the 1066 CPUs but not the 1333 ones. Putting one in anyway just causes it to not boot.
I must be getting really old... I can't imagine someone not having a collection of a dozen different IDE cables from previous generations of systems.
I've actually ran out myself :( been building computers since the early 90s. They break and/or get a comp that needs a new one and never get to replace it.
Now SATA cables... they multiply like rabbits.
@@gen_angry Been in IT a long time too (22 years) and only have one IDE cable left!
I have a carrier bag full of them! Even got some of those fancy dual data ones (really close together wiring) and some twisted circular variants.. not even eBay would take them 🤔😂
Yea I think the more modern equivalent would be the SATA cable collection
Well now you're old for having seen a solid state drive, so who knows anymore
HOLY SHIT! THE FIRST GAME YOU FIRST PLAYED!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT GAME WAS CALLED FOR 21 YEARS!
I remember that game from what I was 7 years old in SECOND GRADE and I could NEVER figure out what it was!!! It's Chips Challenge!!!
OMG.... You have no idea how absolutely SHOCKED I was to see that game image pop up at 22:01 at 1AM while I'm watching this.....
You've given me straight NOSTALGIA into my veins! THANK YOU!
Back in my PC building days, went through a bunch of those P5PE-VM. Think I mights still have a couple kicking around. I suspect you're right about it using older components; these were used, in our case, because they were cheap - not because they were good. And they were relatively reliable from what I recall. Nice video!
This mobo + cpu combo is literally exactly what I had in my gaming pc in 2012
Straight from Russia?
Straight from Russia?
Straight from Russia?
Straight from Russia?
@@mewity Nope haha, Australia. Just grew up poor.
Wow... I just finished the other video about the Windows 98 build an hour ago. Thinking to myself "I wonder if he will come out with another video on this". What a coincidence!
Mate sweet vid, I love seeing old old tech in use… keep em comin’….
why build it ?
@@lucasrem why not, there are old school games and software that don’t work on todays modern computers so it’s worth it
Great video! I grew up on windows 95/98 but XP64 is actually the only windows I miss nowadays. Great OS imo, I ran it all through the vista era and only ditched XP once 7 came out.
Dumping the win98 install cab's on your harddrive was actually a treat back then. You never had to go fetch your CD whenever Windows
wanted to install or reinstall some files. Which happened ALOT, especially with network drivers. which occasionally just stopped working
until you wiped the entire network stack and reinstalled it from scratch. Sometimes literally dozens of times over the course of a LAN.
Especially when you modified the registry entry for default Windows CD location, and it never prompted you to insert the CD, it just found the files and went at it.
@@th3R0b0t If you installed it from the .cab's youve dumped on your HDD, it would search in that location without the need to adjust the sourcepath already.
...some things with win9x were pretty convenient, while others were just horrible. :p
Yep, I actually used this back in the 95 days too
I stopped for a 5 min cig break and started watching this video. Ended watching the full 36 minutes of it. Really good stuff that you show us, something very rare on youtube nowadays.
Great video. No fucking straights left though they all got smoked :D
Can relate to this video, just in general, you'll have an idea for a build, and hit every obstacle possible. I did an XP build not too long ago, those are kinda easy with relatively modern hardware. I do want to try 98, I would 100% done the same as you, grabbed some board and be like "I'm sure it'll work just fine" and then have to go through old forum posts to find the optimal combo somewhere.
Watching this video makes me thankful for how compatible modern hardware is with each other now....
"The only nut im feeling is directly into my eye" LOL
32:19 The reason why it does crash, it's because you're not in a pure dos, so memory allocation are eaten up by Windows 98 SE. To make so you must click on start menu, then shut down, then select DOS. Then you'll be in pure DOS, from there, if you have a Sound Blaster Card prior than 2009, you can use generic Sound Blaster 2.0 drivers on IRQ 7 PORT 220 and it will works. So in games, you'll be able to configurate Adlib, Sound Blaster and of course if you have it on the motherboard, PC Speakers. I've personally used Windows 98 as primary OS from 1998 until 2006, as I wasn't willing to lost the possibility to use a pure DOS, which is important as many games and software were only available on a PURE (not emulated) DOS. Later fortunately it changes, but that's another story.
Yeah as someone with heaps of DOS games I did miss the DOS mode after 98
Bro. That was a sick into edit. :)
Mate I've just been through the same P5PE-VM BIOS 1502 saga as well! Even with the latest bios it only recognises my 2.4GHz C2D as 1.6GHz! Eh, that's fine. Just discovered your channel today, thanks for making such enjoyable videos!
20:33 "There are no viruses for Windows 98!"
A little danooct1 is crying in the corner...
The fun part is that KernelEx can actually allow winxp viruses to fuck your win9x shit up :v
Reminds me when I read about Chernobyl (the virus).
Freaking flashing the 1st kilobit of your BIOS with zeroes to literally physically break the machine... Unless you could take the flash chip out and/or reflash it elsewhere, you were screwed.
@@Kalvinjj It's amazing how a tiny piece of code could brick your PC haha.
You do a great job describing each step and path in your debugging process!
I recently rebuilt myself some vintage computers from when I was young. Your video clearly shows how painful it is to source the right parts and the re-learning of how much of a pain in the butt it is to setup. Even worse as you go for older hardware.
I recently rebuilt myself a K6-2 400, soundblaster 16, Voodoo 3 16mb pci and an Athlon XP 2200+ ATI Radeon 9200, Sound blaster live.
my K6-2 took forever to built. Was originally supposed to be a K6-266 but that CPU was defect, my first motherboard couldn`t make the serial port work for the mouse, my replacement board didn`t seem to work till I realized the issue was the K6-266 and not a bios issue, and after the latest bios, I was pleasently surprised that a K6-2 400 worked on the board which is not a super socket7.
It really was much more of a patience testing challenge to build and work on computers back then. Also installing, transfering files, installing Drivers and software... everything took so much longer.
Many thanks for this Video, Mega Flash back to the good old day's of not only 98 , but 95 😁
Wow I only found your channel this week, I feel blessed to have not waited years for this
Lucky man
Matt! I'm so happy you finally did this video! I would like to suggest you a video with this computer. Oldest OS possible running newest OS possible with a VM!
Great video my dude I enjoy it
Great video. In future you might be better off with an OEM motherboard - better driver support. Your storage controller needs a driver update and the BluRay/DVDRW drive should start working. Had the EXACT same issue with booting 98 as you: change to a BIOS setting and the driver update. Everything works flawlessly since then and the PC is fast.
Running XP and 98 in dual boot on an old IBM ThinkCenter. Intel P4, 2GB RAM, used SSD and 865G chipset.
YES. I've been waiting for this for such a long time!
I loved this video, I can't believe how much work you put into making your 98 box. In my experience I've had better luck with ATI video cards for 98. I have a 9700 Pro in mine it works really well.
Hey -- just found this video today, & I've never felt so much vicarious joy & sympathetic pain from watching a video....
Having built my own "ultimate Windows 98" PC yrs ago, I had similar (but not quite as agonizing) frustrations w/ hardware "newness", driver support & overall OS compatibility. In my case, things went a bit more smoothly due to my research indicating that Win98 was unlikely to work w/ anything newer than the following:
- a motherboard that supported Win95 / Win98 / WinME / WinNT / Win2000 / WinXP
- an Intel Pentium 4 or older CPU
- 512MB of memory on boot (or up to 1GB of memory after tweaking the .INI files in the WINDOWS folder & the AUTOEXEC.BAT / CONFIG.SYS files in the root directory)
- a PCI or AGP graphics card / 3D accelerator w/ no more than 128MB onboard video memory
- an ATA hard drive of no more than 40GB (or up to 128GB after installing an unofficial Microsoft patch)
- one or more ATA/IDE removable disc drives, either DVD &/or CD types
- for DOS functionality, a 100% Sound Blaster compatible audio card (PCI most likely, tho ISA usually works too)
The fact that I deliberately chose a motherboard that supported floppy disk drives made things that much easier, as I always had my trusty DOS / Win9x boot floppies to fall back on whenever I needed them, even w/ bootable CDs & DVDs supported by the motherboard. Combined w/ a handy pair of removable hard drive docks for easy ATA drive swapping, I was able to build my Win98 "dream machine" PC & get plenty of enjoyment out of it (after working out all the damn kinks, of course).
Because I could swap out drives at will, I also tested everything out on different hard drives w/ different OSes -- Windows ME, Windows XP & various distros of Linux.
As far as I can remember, this is what my hardware config eventually worked out as:
- VIA Tech ATX motherboard w/ Socket 775 support (don't remember the model)
- 3.8GHz Intel P4 CPU
- 1GB DDR memory
- 80GB ATA hard drive
- one DVD-RW burner + one DVD-ROM (configured as master/slave on secondary ATA channel)
- Aureal Vortex PCI sound card w/ DOS drivers
Like U, I had my share of frustrations w/ hardware that almost-but-not-quite worked (or just flat out would never run) when I tried installing it under Win98, as that was the absolute minimum demand I had for that particular PC build. In the end, tho, the final result ran beautifully!
Dude i haven't seen seen Lego Island for ages. This was my Childhood. Thank you so much for this. :D
I love how Matt makes his videos so professional and they contain nerdy content that no one else would do and make me tune in and finish the whole series. Really thank you for this gem
25:35 - Don't know whether to laugh or cry! An absolutely wonderful double feature. Humorous, informative and exceptionally well presented, thoroughly enjoyed every second and very much admire your dedication and patience in including both the struggles and successes!
Great video. Got me a full blown win98se with all my games on it right here and right now 2023 Game On!
MattKC, you put in so much dedication to this Windows 98 PC
26:29 no one:
Refresh rate: *0 HZ*
Me with my 20 year old crt monitor be like:
As a low-end gamer myself, I can indeed confirm that that's way, WAY LESS than 20 fps.
@@Speedster04_BRA -1 fps monitor
@@sealy009 I routinely play online shooters, simracers and RPGs at 15 or even 12 FPS...
Granted, I use a setup worse than the combo from this video, soooo...
Medium or low graphics
I'm so happy to see that this project finally has a part 2. This is going to be a good half an hour
34:10 Interestingly I remember having this very exact issue on the first computer I tried to run LEGO Island onto, blue screen with regular flashes of the game... It was hardware of the era, we ran FS2000 on it just fine!
I did a dual boot 98/XP on a Core2Duo running @ 2.4Ghz, 1GB of DDR2 and a 120GB SSD SATA3 drive. I love gaming on this and looks good on the PCI GeForce 6200 graphics card.
I was using a Nvidia GeForce 5500 FX in my win 98 machine for a while. It was only PCI, but it was just as buggy on Win98 as in your video. I discovered that the last Nvidia driver release for Win 98 is kinda crap. I downloaded one that was somewhere between the release of the card and end of 98 support. Worked great after that! Smooth gameplay and no complaints about direct draw 3d. Not sure if that’s an option for you depending on how late late into the 2000s the cards you are trying to use where made
Man.. The backgroung music is so good, and dreamy. The rest what i can say, in 2022. Subscribers on your channel 1.2 M
Great video, but there is actually an even better motherboard available that also officially supports Windows 98. The AsRock ConRoe865PE has the exact same AGP Ports and DDR RAM that is found in the Asus motherboard but also supports quad-core processors, including the Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6950 processor, which outperforms even the Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 in not only quad-core performance but also both dual-core and single-core performance.
These sorts of projects are always fun. Infuriating, but fun :)
I just finished putting together my own attempt at a fast Win9x machine.
Ended up using an e8600 overclocked to 4.33ghz using a geforce 7900gs using modded 82.69 drivers. It supports up to gf 9xxx series, but its a pain using cards with more than 256MB (due to memory being segmented into 256MB chunks).
The "trick" for motherboard support is the ich. You'll be lucky to get anything newer than ich9 working (and 7 and 8 is less problematic).
In regards to RAM for Win9x itself, it's because the kernel assigns certain amounts of ram for different devices and many will have much more than required assigned. That's why some setups can use up to 1.25GB and others are unstable with even 1GB.
Hello, love your videos, haven’t finished this one yet, but looks like a good one.
Pretty cool vid!
I'm posting from my Core 2 Quad Q9650 build! I built a separate, offline only WinXP PC about a year ago and I have to say, it's far easier than what I've seen you go through with 98.
Damn, kinda wished you played Gruntz on this machine, I played it all the time on my Windows ME machine when I was 8-10 and was curious if anyone else knew about Gruntz. Anyways amazing video!
I ran into a lot of the same hardware issues you showed in this video (the whole dual fifo IDE controller weirdness) and I found the solution to be using a SATA to IDE adapter for my hard drive. Win98 seems to really not like SATA hard drives for some reason. Ever since I did that, I don't have to use any weird commands to get the setup to complete or the system to boot or anything. It's as vanilla an install as you could expect.
Can't express enough how this has certainly satisfied my curiosity of the highest "new" you can use on 98, thank you for the great video.
98 on a modern laptop: lawful neutral
Ultimate 98 PC part 1: chaotic evil
Ultimate 98 PC part 2: neutral good
@Raihan2fair
4:55 I love it, when someone hates me, maybe because it's all i get from others...
I feel bad for you but I get it :")
Eventually, I'd like to see the "most versatile" Windows machine. One that will run DOS games all the way up to XP, natively. I'd start the way you started, although I'd drop the socket limitation and add the requirement of an ISA slot for a dedicated sound card, as many DOS programs hate the integrated sound chipsets on newer motherboards. I'm thinking maybe a high-end PIII processor, a dual-GPU setup with one GPU something closer to the Windows 98 Max, like the 6800 Ultra, and a second GPU that's something more Win 95-friendly but still powerful for the era, like a 3DFX Voodoo 2. Would likely cost $$$ to source such rare parts these days, but would be totally worth it to run several generations of MS OSes on one machine.
Isa card will be much older
@@dosmastrify There are Pentium-III mobos that support ISA cards and AGP graphics. They’re rare, but they do exist.
Honestly, it requires a lot of sacrifices. I tried to set up a Super 7 board for DOS and Win9x games, and found I'd rather have separate machines for both. I don't really want 500MHz for DOS games, I'd like a newer PCI sound card for Windows games, and video cards are just ugh.
While dual soundcards is a workable option, dual video cards almost never is. They exist in standardized IO locations for VGA-and-older compatibility, and hardware conflicts are immediate upon booting.
@@CptJistuceThe procesor is always the biggest issue. Some motherboards have dynamic stepping and allow you to disable cache, but that usually means you need to edit BIOS settings anytime you want to run something older vs newer. I've got a system that actually has pretty great sound; has a dual-sound setup with an Aureal Vortex 2 for Windows 9x and an ISA Sound Blaster Pro 2.0 for DOS. I hooked them up to a mixer so I can technically get sound from both of them in Windows, though just the SB works in DOS. As long as you make sure the DOS Sound card is set to low IRQs, it works great!
As for dual video, the best solution is a more powerful AGP card and a passthrough PCI, 3D-only card like a Voodoo 1 or 2. Contrary to popular belief, DOS does function through an AGP card if you use the right one (my setup currently has a Voodoo3 AGP, not the most powerful but works just fine in DOS), and then a passthrough to an older PCI 3D accelerator (I have a Voodoo1, which, yeah it is weird having a newer Voodoo passing through to an older one but in the name of compatibility, it works surprisingly well). I can run the handful of Glide-mode DOS games to perfection, and then boot up to Windows 98 and run Unreal Tournament with my Voodoo3 drivers and 3D sound.
Every time he uploads a new video feels like history being made.
I love this, and your first video actually inspired me to make the same build, I did got a ultimate windows 98. it gets a bit on the gray area of things as there is support but some instability.
my build is
CPU Pentium 4 661 3.6Ghz
CPU Cooler Cryorig H7 (if I'm able to modify it to fit a socket 775 since its a 1511)
Motherboard ASUS P5P800-VM
Memory 2x Crucial 256MB Memory Module DDR 400 CL3
Actually using a 120 SSD
GPU GeForce 6800 AGP
Case Thermaltake Versa H21 ATX Mid Tower Case (since I have it laying around)
Modern PSU
OS Glorious Windows 98 SE
I also got another machine with the same concept in mind, and it was the ultimate Windows 2000 machine. that one works like a charm as well
I feel your pain, I ended up dialing back the hardware a bit to guarantee compatibility and stability as I found running fast was no help if I had compatibility issues and bugs, which when combined with the price you have to pay these days is high for the faster stuff and much more limited availability, is just adding insult to injury when its likely to be flakey (not to mention I had high end NVidia cards back in the day then and every one of them died, except my 5900 Ultra and that was only because of how noisy it was so I quickly replaced it with the 9800 pro). I also use dirt cheap 500GB hybrid drives laptop drives, then you get the SSD performance given that 8GB SSD cache will be more than enough most of the time for 98SE and no worries about the SSD maintenance plus plenty of storage space.
I finally ended up with 2 PCs, both ITX size as I decided that if I wanted a retro PC, I wanted something I could keep around without getting in the way. So for the games that would benefit from a bit more oomph, I got a shuttle XPC with an i875p chipset (I ended up having to buy assorted parts with the mobo case and cooler all separately), Pentium 4 3.2GHZ with 1MB cache and 800mhz FSB (its the fastest supported by the board and even overclocked to 3.4GHZ, runs cool for a P4 in such a cramped case and smallish cooler), 1GB of corsair XMS CL 2 DDR400, a Radeon 9800 Pro (for high compatibility and because my case doesn't like the bigger buggier but faster cards as there is very little clearance as is) and a Creative Audigy 2 ZS.
Then for DOS and more speed sensitive older games (Pentium 1 era old as that's when I started PC gaming, I have Amiga and consoles for stuff prior to that) I built a second with some crappy VIA board with a built VIA C7-D that I was given as part of a batch of old office PCs, that struggle compared to similar 1.6ghz CPUs of the era and performs more like 500GZ P2 and is low end Pentium 1 performance with the cache disabled, a single stick of 512MB DDR 333 as that's all it will support, a SoundBlaster live! and as there is no AGP I use my trusty old PCI Voodoo 5 5500, which being a bios modded Mac card, has DVI out so like the 9800 pro, I can use DVI to HDMI adapters as while I would prefer to use one of my CRTs, I am being practical like with the m being ITX, as in if I had to lug a tower and CRT every time I felt like using these PCs as keeping them around would get in the way, I just wouldn't use them.
Bro mind me asking how old you are? because you look roughly like a young adult but your knowledge regarding computers is unparalleled while I am here enjoying watching your PC Build half the technical stuff you speak goes right over my head. (That and I am a console Geek when it comes to gaming) and whatever PC Gaming I have done was on a potato laptop back in 2015-2017.
“Intel Core 2 Duo.” I haven’t heard that name uttered in so many years. May my old MacBook 3,1 Rest In Peace.
I'm just using one on my old Thinkpad T61, lol
@@kwebbytakeflight I' m running an E8400 in a desktop that originally ran Vista... Just wish I woulda saved for a E8600.
I have a E8400 @ 3.5GHz in one of my HTPC's
@Everything TechBook Pro why would someone want a MacBook that old repaired? You can buy them for less than $50
I've got a core 2 duo t2250 laptop that I still use occasionally. 2gb ram, iGPU, 80gb hdd, windows vista. Not good, but it works
It is worth mentioning that using older drivers targeting either when your card was released or near the release of the game you want to run will get you better results for Nvidia on Win 98SE. Last drivers for Win 98 typically have worse performance for older cards. Especially for my stock Nvidia TNT2 that came with my 1999 computer, significantly better to use contemporary drivers. But I have a GeForce 3 Ti 200 on the way and you'll bet I'll be using 2001 era drivers for that card.
Good luck on your Win 98SE adventures and good video. I've been having a blast on my 1999 Dell XPS T500 Pentium III machine that I held onto since 2001 and fixed up in 2017 as my Win 98SE retro gaming PC.
I still have IDE cables , my daily main PC used these until mid 2020 (I had a more old fashioned 95 Watts AM3+ / FX motherboard without UEFI) & I used a CRT to the end of 2020
I know I'm ungodly late and underdressed (much like prom) to this video, but as soon as I saw you attempt to use that Gigabyte board in the first one, I knew it would be nothing but issues and eventually die. I've never had a Gigabyte product not waste my time. ESPECIALLY from that time period. Fun videos though man!
I remember reading a review on that motherboard and you are right, it was designed to have a lot of legacy support.
You probably want to go into the BIOS settings - IDE Configuration, and set it to be Legacy Mode instead of Enhanced Mode when using Windows 98.
Exactly this! A complete no brainer for people with sufficient computer knowledge!
Well, for my Windows 98SE machine, my setup is as follows:
EPoX EP-6VBA motherboard
Pentium 3 @ 1GHz on a socket 370 to slot 1 adapter card.
640MB SDRAM @ 133MHz.
3DFX Voodoo5500 AGP x2
2 pcs 3DFX Voodoo2 SLI for backwards compatibility.
Soundblaster AWE64 Gold ISA with good MIDI support, (have one Audigy2 PCI card with A3D and EAX support lying around if I want to upgrade later).
32GB Compact Flash card to IDE converter as HDD.
Nakamishi MJ-5.16 SCSI 5-disc CD changer (bcs some games from the era is on several discs), and one common IDE DVD burner.
The PSU is a common 350W (for the era).
It can run games smoothly even at 1280x1024 res on the Voodoo5 card from year 2000, or 1024x768 on the Voodoo2's in SLI from 1998.
This setup (in my opinion) is more than sufficient for all Win95/98, Milennium or 2000 based games despite not being aimed for the best compatible parts, but for those that existed around the late 90's and early 2000's.
Still runs great after 10 years since I build it with parts now ageing beyond 20.
Thanks for a great, funny and interesting video.😄👍⭐
Oh no XD I literally had one of these motherboards for over a year now. Wished I had known you were looking for it. Would have sent it to you for just shipping cost.
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Me, an american at 4am:
"Oh boy! Lets watch the new MattKC video!"
It's 9am for me in the uk
Me, an American at 1am with school at 8:30am:
Who watches MattKC videos at 3am?
Me: OH BOY, 3AM!
lol same
it released at 2am but I'm watching this at 5am
That video description made me cry i did not expect to get jojified today
27:37 that is exactly the tower our family had when I was a kid! Our CRT was a mile thicker though