I have a 2018 f-150 2.7 eco-boost 10 speed automatic. It has 198,000 + miles now. Mechanicly, have only replaced spark plugs once at 150,000 miles and changed oil and filter at 5,000 mile intervals. Truck still looks like new inside and out!!! I love this truck! I live in the NC mountains and tow my race cars with open and a 20 ft. Enclosed trailor and i pull a 22ft. 8500 lb canper with this truck with no issues still. Has no oil leaks or issues!!! Now this what i call Ford Tough!! Thanks for your videos!
Glad to hear this I just watched "I Do Cars" channel tear down two 2.7s one with 96k and the other with 130k miles. I have a 2019 2.7 10 speed with 50k so far I'm super happy with it. I may change the oil every 3k to be safe idk. I run 93 octane in it so far too. Enjoy thanks for the info.
Of course ignoring having to replace the engine 5-10x as much. Even gasoline engines should be capable of lasting upwards of a million miles commonly, but expectations are varying inversely to what we should be seeing. Diesel engines already last upwards of a million miles if taken care of right, and have done so for decades, perhaps many. And of course, there is the 3 million mile Volvo as the world record.
@@alexwalker8422you’re lucky to get 500k out of a newer diesel. Even if you do, chances are you’ve already replaced the turbo and injectors which is the same cost as a new gas engine. Not to mention the emission equipment as well
@@atvrepairsandmore2482 oh yeah, the EPA BS, forgot about that. Good old EPA 😃. Newer diesels are viciously sabotaged by the EPA, the efficiency and reliability they should have should put them way ahead of gasoline engines but here we are. Edit: Also even with all the EPA BS auto makers are deliberate reducing the reliability of their own engines, for example: ruclips.net/user/shortsT5INdZynMzE
I LOVE the 2.7 ecoboost! My opinion is that Ford should do a "big block" v6. Same block material, design, twin turbos, but with a displacement of over 4.0l. This engine has been designed so well and strong that I think they should consider axing the 3.5 ecoboost and just have one v6 option, based on the 2.7
@@letitrest4662 And let's not forget wet belt failures. But even if they don't fail, replacing them every 150k miles is crazy because of the labor involved. NO truck engine should have a rubber belt anything except a serpentine belt. And a belt driven oil pump is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Ford has lost their mind on this. Edit: And your spot on about the small engine big power problem. Look at the old 12 valve Cummins. Weighs almost 1,000lbs and in stock form made 160-215HP and 400-500 lbs of torque. Built and tuned to work hard for decades without failure. A tiny lightweight 2.7 pumping out huge power and hauling weight doesn't make sense for longevity.
I agree the 3.5 should be dropped for a 2.7 based larger displacement version. I'll take it a step further and say add two cylinders. Probably be around 3.5 V8 and would sound decent with turbo noise.
Like it or not they'll never do that. The mpgs wouldnt be good enough. It'd be great to change the intervals to duplicate the 2.7. I'm actually surprised it's not already like that
I had a 2018 with the 2.7 and a 2019 with the 3.5. The 2.7 was way smoother/quieter than the 3.5 and honestly felt a little more punchy in city driving. It also got much better city fuel economy and the highway economy was about the same between the two. I have also owned a 2013 5.0 F150. The 2.7 is my favorite engine of he three. None of them gave me any mechanical issues.
I have a 2018 crew 2.7 with 3.55 gears. Tows my car trailer 7,000 pounds with no fuss at all. Just got over a 100k miles with absolutely zero issues. I previously had a 2015 5.0l F150 and no complaints with that truck either but getting 25mpg on the freeway empty is fantastic and really like my 2.7l
ehh my '21 super crew 4x4 with the 5.0 can get that on the highway empty as well.I averaged 25 mpg on e10/91 on a long trip recently. 12-14 towing 7500-8000 lbs or so
@@JJR1371 it's sometimes off by fractions of a mpg. Big deal. Has to do with slight tire size differences. You can adjust your tire size/ratios in forscan and affect the accuracy also. Genius. Yeah the big scary computer is trying to trick me right? Do you also think that it "lies" only in the 5.0 version?
@@Terminxmanthey’re all off, clearly. And it sure ain’t by “a fraction”, unless someone would consider about 20% to be a fraction. I’ve owned 2 of them and drive nothing but highway. Have always seen 24MPG plus, have never once got over 20 when calculated. It’s simple math. Fuelly does it for you if curious what everyone else is *actually* getting.
I have the 2.7 Ecoboost and cannot say enough good things about it. I tow a 4500lb camper with about 3/4 payload loaded about 6 times throughout the summer time (5000 total kms) and she pulls like a champ. My last truck was a 5.0 and it was great at towing as well but a lot worse on fuel. I'd love to see a Powerboost video next!
Have u had any issues? I got mine, it was a demo truck for a dealer and I notice a small rattle noise after turning it on and driving (cold weather) a good 5 minutes after going off
Have a 2023 F150 2.7L and I am very pleased. I did not know anything about this engine and actually had set my mind on the 5.0L. Coming from a 2015 Ram 5.7L, I was wanting to stick with a plain old V8. Well, I am glad I went with the 2.7L.
My 2016 2.7 is getting ready to hit 180,000 miles, other than brakes and oil changes, zero issues, mostly mixed highway / rural roads, average since new is right at 25 mpg. Tows my boat ( 7000lbs) no problem, fyi it’s a 2 wheel drive regular cab
I have a 2018 f150 with the 2.7 and I absolutely love it. I exceeded the towing capacity with a 2000lbs dump trailer and about 10k of bricks and it impressed me, the truck didn't sagg, it just leveled off and I had no issues entering and keeping up with traffic.
I've been waiting for this one. I have the 2.7 coming out of the 5.0 coyote. And I'm really impressed. I tow about once a week, similar trailer but around 6.5k. Love it. If my trailer was over 7.5k, I would probably go for the 3.5. But it suits my setup perfect. The majority of my driving is no trailer and the fuel economy is awesome. Just all around good engine. Perfect mix of economy to power.
Now that you have the chance to have both, in your honest opinion, which do you recommend? I don’t plan on towing anything. I’m coming from Toyota and reliability is the most important thing for me.
@@offthewallsurfer1 If you're not going to tow, then the 2.7. If you're trying to keep a truck past 200k miles, then you're probably safer with the 5.0.
I love New Brunswick! I come up at least once a year to mountain bike in the Fredericton area (love Minto and Woolastook). You’ve got great breweries too! I’ve got this 2.7, don’t tow and get almost 25 mpg on long trips! Your videos are awesome!
The 2.7 has a good reputation. I know they had some teething issues and the mechanics hate the plastic oil pan....but for my use, the 2.7 would be perfectly fine.
I bought a new XLT FX 4 in 2014 with the 3.5 turbo ,,,,great truck...i drove from lexington KY to Erie Pa on one tank of gas..and i was doing 80MPH must of the trip....very happy...Miss that truck
Pull a 6,000 lb. Camper with my 23 lowly xl 2.7 tow package 3:73 rear end and it does great, never seems stressed, I take my time and realize you break stuff when your in a hurry, plus I’m old and retired, but for 4 or 5 camping trips a year it does fine. I think if I towed every day I’d get a 250 or 2,500 truck, but these ain’t bad trucks. I usually am around 11-13 mpg with the camper, I run 93 when towing, not sure it runs stronger or just in my mind.
I feel like that is what these base model engines are meant for. The 2.7v6 2.7turbomax and 3.6 pentastar aren't meant for 8000 pounds or more. They make a good work truck engine without heavy hauling.
@@DavidBrubaker-pi4gj well said! I had Tacoma’s which were great trucks, other than the rust in a damp/salted winter roads environment , but this truck has a lot more capability and believe it or not, driven old man gently get about 2 more MPG’s than the 4.0 V6 in the Tacoma. I may just be lucky but I’ve had 100% reliability out of both my 2017 and my 2023, I think maintenance is the key with these engine, oil fluids and filters, I also get transmission filter and fluid ever 50k, I can do the oil and air filter, but go to a good tech guy on the transmission filter.
@@poppyneese1811 I bought a fluid transfer pump for $30 and serviced my 10r80 trans myself. Dealer wanted over $450 to do it. I had about $150 in parts and fluid if memory serves me right. I just don`t trust dealers. I used to work in new car dealers and most of the guys are so useless.
I have a 2019 150 xlt supercrew with the 2.7 and just got an airstream 23fb, 6000 lbs. On our first 1200 mile trip had no problems and got an average of 13.5 mpg, calculated, the display read 14.2. I keep considering moving up to a 3/4 ton for additional payload, as the 150 only has 1580 lb. total payload with passengers and tongue wt. really eating into that, but just can't justify how much trucks are nowadays. I do have small bags on the rear to help with leveling, have wt. dist. hitch, and always use 91+ octane, and I only paid 40k us new when I bought it back then. I'm going to run it through next summer, keep the tanks on the camper dry while towing to maximize our cargo capacity, but we don't really take much. Towing my 2200 lb. flat bed trailer usually with flat wood cargo the same 1200 miles, I can easily get 16 to 17 mpg. I do limit the speed to 65, maybe 68 if winds are favorable.
im super happy you tested the 2.7 that i have asked you to do. i figured you would be impressed with the power and torgue of such a small displacement im on my sixth f150 with the 2.7 eco and couldnt ask for anything more it pulls get good gas mileage bravo ford on enginerring an awesome motor.
After doing tons of research, this is why I ended up with the 2.7 last fall. We plan on picking up a 5-6000lb (fully loaded) camper next year, and figured that we camp maybe 6-8x/year. That's 12-16 days of towing heavy. The other 350 days are unloaded, and it's hard to beat the gas mileage and smoothness. My *only* concern is how it handles a 5-6k lb camper here in Colorado Rockies, as we have multiple mountain passes that are over 11,000', but in theory, it should wipe the floor with any manufacturer's V8 options due to significant power losses of the NA engines.
New subscriber because of this video!! I traded a 2015 F-250 lariat for 2023 F-150 STX 2x4 w/2.7 ecoboost and was amazed how it pulled my 18’ pontoon boat on a single axle trailer with no trailer brakes! BUT.. I traded it 6 weeks later for a 4x4 XLT for several reasons. Likes of the the STX- 28mpg Hwy, 15 mpg towing the pontoon and the power on demand!! Dis likes of the STX- Trouble pulling the pontoon out of the water, driver seat, little car mirrors and a rear view camera not work a crap! .. likes of the 2023 XLT 4x4 w/2.7 exoboost. Towing mirrors (I didn’t know was an option to have installed), electric drivers seat! (Still not lariat). Dis-Locke of the 4x4 XLT, engine shakes at the red like or stop sign compared to the 2x4 that was smooth all the time, 20mpg all around and 15 pulling the pontoon. I took the 2023 XLT 4x4 W/2.7 ecoboost on a 300 mile trip @ cruse set at 70 mpg (flat ground in Mississippi)with no trailer and every 100 mile I stop and reset the mileage and fuel economy and use “normal, Sport, & eco” and the Sport got the best fuel Mileage.
The 2.7L ecoboost is perfect for me. While I do tow with my truck, I never tow anywhere near its max rating. My truck doubles as a daily commuter and my work truck. when I'm not towing anything, the mileage is quite impressive. One of my favorite things to do when I'm not pressed for time is to hyper-mile my truck. So far the best I have done is 29MPG @55MPH in 10th gear. To get the truck into tenth gear at 55, I set the cruise control a 60MPH. Afterwards, I slow down to 55 and the truck stays in 10th gear. My truck is a 2.7L TT 2018 STX SuperCrew 4x4
We have the 2.7eco with the payload pkg, which includes 3.73 gears and a payload of 1820lbs. An amazing combination for the price. Not to mention the reliability for every day use with towing when needed!
I'm not into Ford and I prefer old school, naturally aspirated engines, but this engine is impressive. Especially because Ford offers this as base engine. Seems like the Ford engineers did a great job!
Amazing motor! The best mileage, power, and all-around performance. There's a GOOD reason for the f150 to be #1 selling vehicle. It's awesome with every motor in their own way but my choice would be a 2.7 almost always
I think General Motors outsells Ford every year (albeit split between Chevrolet and GMC dealerships), but you are right about the 2.7L. I'm a fan even if the mechanics hate the plastic oil pan. I'd prefer the 5.0L V8, but there isn't anything wrong with that 2.7L engine.
I've towed my Grand Design 2400BH 7700 GVWR travel trailer all over the appalachian mountains in TN, SC, and NC with my 2020 2.7 and it is a beast that hauled up and down every grade without issue. I have a couple of comments to add to this review. I tow with 91/93 octane and compared to 87 you generally get the same torque at 300-500rpm less. I imagine this testing was done with 87 but the 2.7 doesn't truly reveal it's power until it has 93, trust me. Regarding the 7500# max tow limit on what I imagine was a 2024 XL 145WB screw 4x4, Ford derated the 2.7 in 2024 and the 2021-2023 2.7 models equipped with the "2.7 payload package" are rated to tow 10,100 in the same 145WB 4x4 screw config. The payload package gets you the 9.75 diff instead of the 8.8HD diff, that is where the extra GCWR rating is coming from. The 2.7 engine/cooling/transmission is the same and as per Ford tow guides for 2021-23, it can pull 10000#.
Tow ratings are overseen by SAE, there’s not much room for “lying” about them, and GM actually has a history of being fairly conservative with their tow ratings whereas Ford has a history of being, well, “optimistic” about theirs… granted, this was prior to the normalization of tow ratings by the SAE, but still.
Thanks for the information. I have a similar vehicle with that engine and posted a video towing a Toyota Corolla up the Appalachians to New England. The weight was closer to 3500 pounds and the fuel economy hit was on the order of 20%. Like your report, I found the throttle response was better than I thought it would be. Thanks again for taking the time to post the video.
These videos really illustrate that work requires gasoline and it doesn't matter terribly whether it's a big V8 or small turbo V6 (or other). If you're dragging a few tons around then a given amount of work (in physics terms, ie; work is a force multiplied by a distance) is required. Thanks again for taking the time to give comparable metrics to the different vehicles/platforms. E90 only has about 95% of the heat content of gasoline, so I'd expect a 1 mpg degradation per 20 (or so) and Diesel has about 20% more heat content than gasoline, so one might expect that sort of increase in fuel economy in such a vehicle. Great stuff. Thanks again.
Owned 2 of these and never had a single problem! Bought a 25 Ram this year and think it is also a great truck. With all the things that can go wrong with these complicated machines, it amazes that more doesn't.
I talked to an older guy towing a really nice red center console boat with a golf cart on the bed. He said he came from Florida… we were in Southern California having this conversation. The 2.7L f150 was and older model, I think a 2014 and it had 200k + miles.. I was incredibly impressed..
I was planning to purchase a truck later this year and subsequently use it to haul my project car across the country. I've been eyeing a 2021 w/ a 2.7 and this really set my mind at ease knowing that the 5800lbs wouldn't be a problem for it
I have a 2019 regular cab short box 2 wheel drive with the 2.7 and 3.73:1 gears. It moves!! Runs amazing and it just purrrrs everywhere it goes with no effort at all.
I appreciate you not cutting the trailer weight down to the trucks capacity. Most reviewers would have lowered the weight on the trailer. My theory behind the low towing capacity is maybe when at high elevation fully loaded, it might run warm keeping the turbos spooked that long with lower air density. I believe that’s why the new Hurricane with Ram did not get a jump in towing like we were expecting. 2.7 is a beast of a engine though. Now that you’ve reviewed most trucks, I’d like to see you compare the same trucks with different gear ratios.
I have a 2016 with 2.7 ecoboost with a 154K. I am an electrical and mechanical contractor. Only issue has been the oil pan at 135K. I have a 6in lift with 35in tires, a Highway Products service truck cap, deck tool box, Fab Four front and rear bumper, Firestone air compressor with air bags, and 4:56 gears. Truck has towed up to 12K without any issues. I tow about 7k-8k on a weekly basis. Truck still runs like a bat out of hell, and get 16-18 MPG in the city, and 20-22 MPG. I prefer this engine for the simple reason on how it's built. Beside the inline 300, this has been the best Ford engine I have ever owned
I absolutely love these reviews and how real world that they are! I think not changing the trailer weight based on the truck is spot on because that's what happens in the real world.
I have this engine in my 2019 Lincoln Continental and it performs awesome! Great mileage on long road trips, excellent power climbing mountains and smooth.
I have a 4 month old 2024 Ford Bronco Wildtrak sasquatch 4 door with the 2.7l V6 turbo and drove it all summer long and on this platform it really gets up and goes with those turbos, plus torque is supper nice, love this truck. The issues you read about, are with the 2021 to very early 2023 models, I can tell you the 2024 runs like a dream , this is why even with a computer, I wait three years for the bugs to get out, I even worked for Apple. Even did my first oil change at 2500 miles and that was easy. The 10 speed is smooth. This the 2024 model with the second gen ecoboost v6 turbo got all the kinks out and i would recommend it.
My 2003 4.6L 4x4 is still running strong, but if I were to replace it, it would be an F150 with this engine. Mine is somewhat slow and gets terrible mileage around town. But it's paid for, reliable, and simple to maintain. I suppose if fuel gets to $6 or $7 bucks a gallon after Israel blows up Iran I'd buy a new one.
I was super excited when I found out that they would be putting this engine in the new Ranger when I was thinking about upgrading to it. I'm going to go look at some and test drive them soon. From what I understand, the 3.0L Ecoboost in the Ranger raptor is a very closely related engine to the 2.7 so I would be interested to see a breakdown of that one too
My 2019 2.7 towed a 28 foot boat With no issues. It's also towed my sxs in the mountains FL to WV like nothing was behind it. This is with a 6" lift and 35s. I recently tuned the truck with 5 star tuning. What a difference that made this engine can scream and the trans is smooth as butter. With the tune I gained about 2 mpg on highway well worth the money. My old 5.7 ram has nothing on this truck as far as power.
The 2.7 ecoboost tow rating may be limited by its cooling system. The SAE towing test is done with A/C on high and at least 100 degrees outside temperature.
The 2.7 ecoboost has the same cooling as the 3.5 ecoboost, same radiators, same fans, liquid cooling to turbos first, passive cooling flow when engine off. I've subjected my 2.7 to a lot of grueling conditions and never experienced any heat issues.
@@MADAmechanical It's the same thing with the GVWR on the 2.7's. It has the same 8.8 rear end, HD frame (in the crew cab config) etc as the 5.0, but only gets 6600lbs vs 7050. The only difference is a slightly different deflection rate in the rear springs. You could easily swap springs (or add an RAS) and unofficially bump the payload up to be equal to the 5.0, which is +450lbs more. It's almost certainly to get people to buy the larger engines for more $$
Just got back from Colorado, 1600 miles pulling a small camper trailer weighing a little over 1000 lbs with my 2.7 engine Bronco and car ran like a champ. A little less mpg but no big deal.
Got no experience myself with the motor but my wife’s cousin had a 2.7L to pull a large camper trailer. He complained about it feeling underpowered and traded it in for 6.2 Trail Boss. Seems a lot happier
I own a 2019 2.7 ecoboost. I have had it tuned at 5 star tunes running 93 octane . After tuning they put it on the dyno . I have lost the sheet but they were able to get 398 hp and 492 ft lbs torque . I have towed everything from 3 quads on a 12 ft trailer to 21 ft boat , to a standard size mini excavator on a 14 ft dump trailer And it pulls up hill as good or better than most v8s on level ground. The issues I have had are the ring and pinion in the rear has once went bad, started humming then louder and louder, took to ford and had repaired under warranty, then 2 years later the pinion gear I believe is what they said, busted or shattered. Had that covered under warranty luckily just before I hit 100000 , other than that Ive had the egr tube break from the flange twice and no other issues. I will admit, I give it hell quite often , the tune I run has the gears ready to burn in 1st and bark thru 3rd . It will lay you back and you can feel the rear of the truck squat like it has a shift kit in an old school hot rod each time it hits a gear . That probably hasnt helped with the rearend repairs but now that my warranty is out I will probably look into upgrading or changing the gear ratios but overall, the 2.7 engine is a very impressive engine. Ive had several people ride with me and tell me that they were not expecting all that lol. The only thing that I really dont like is the fact that I cannot put dual exaust for some sound . I really like the sound of the 5.0 just factory, but youll never get anything close to that with a 2.7 the sound of a v6 with pipes on a full size truck truck simply takes away a little "respect" from it if you will so im left limited to stock exaust but Im still glad I chose the 2.7 . Hopefully I can keep it going for many years to come
The best way to tow heavy with the little 2.7 EB is to lock it into 7th gear and let it go. It drops the trans temp by 5 to 7°C, and keeps the engine sitting right at torque peak. And your fuel economy will not be any worse than if you leave it in 10th. I've been doing this now for 5 years towing all different types of trailers
@pathunter7003 i do use tow/haul mode. However, even when towing heavy, it still tries to use 8th or 9th if it can, and it will only drop into 7th if going up a shallow incline. So I just lock it into 7th myself and let the engine do its thing easily while lowering both the transmission and exhaust gas temperatures.
I have a 2018 2.7 TT and im at 70k miles. 65k of those were running a "Tune" from a reputable company. Truck makes around 400-425hp with bolt ons. It drives well and i haven't had any issues other than a charging problem that was corrected with a better better battery. The engine pulls hard and can be a bit thirsty because its in boost but excellent performance. The transmission does some clunky shifting here and there. I do worry about the "wet" belt ling term.
I have a 2016 F150 XL. I bought in 2016 and nothing but good stuff here. I pull a car trailer with it, also my 21' hard top boat with no issues. I live in Washington state and cross over the passes here pulling the trailers. I can maintain 65 mph with ease. My average mpg while pulling is 13.8 mpg . When not loaded I get 19.7 mpg mixed hwy and city.
Great video! Can’t wait to see a Powerboost tow test. My FIL had a 2.7 ecoboost for one of his work trucks and it impressed him and myself. Now he has a Powerboost and that thing is insane! It’d be interesting if Ford used the 2.7 instead of the 3.5 for the Powerboost. Likely would get over to 30mpg since my FIL has averaged 26mpg in his PB already.
Had a 2018 XL 4x4 2.7 with the somewhat rare payload package and short gears (can't recall the ratio) that bumped the tow rating up to 9200... I put over 10k behind it on several occasions and that driveline packed sufficient grunt to make it obvious the frame was the weakest link in a 150 towing that much. All that, and if you drive it with a light foot 23mpg is easy, and if you really pay attention on a long trip 30 is possible. Oh, and it's reliable too! The 2.7 ecoboost is probably the best engine Ford makes currently as far as doing absolutely everything they claim it can and more, and arguably one of, if not the best light truck engine ever. Ex wife got it in the divorce, still miss that truck.
Impressive. I own a 2010 f150 with a 4.6 and tow a 5000 lb travel trailer through the mountains of bc and average 23L/100. I run a 34" tire and swapped my gears to 3.73 from 3.55. 292hp and 330 ft lbs and my max tow is 7800. I am surprised the 2.7 is only 7500
I would highly recommend verifying fuel mileage at the fuel pump, I have noted that I get roughly 2-3 mpg less than the dash states (not sure what that would equate to Canada fuel metrics).
2015 with 82,000 coolant leak cost $2,400 at dealer. Transmission module replacement at 84,000 was $600. Towing a 4500 lb 26-foot camper has been no problem.
2016 f150 with the 2.6 so the 6 speed transmission and 136k miles. I have a 3.5" lift and 35"tires. I can still pull 22-24 true mpg. For the year, the 2.7 l was the fastest of the vehicles due to it being so light. I test drove the 3.5 (expecting to buy one), 5.0 and then the 2.7l. I could feel the weight difference on the front end. I have a pop up camper and pulls 80mph constant up mountains with no issues. I just got back from vacation, 550 miles each direction no stopping with heavy winds. Going out 19 mpg, driving around the mountains for a couple days, 22.1 mpg. And back home today, haven't filled up yet probably 18 mpg. Lifetime mpg 17.3. Lift cost me about 1 and tires 4 mpg. I have documented every penny on the truck. Only things to ever break, 1 sensor at 12k and the sun roof after 3 years.
My 23 lowly XL with the 2.7 Ecoboost handles my 5,000 lb. camper with ease, but it’s me that gets worn out towing, every sound I hear I think I’ve lost it. Maybe this coming year I’ll get more comfortable towing. We might take it camping 6 or 7 times in the spring and summer. The truck does great, it’s me that stresses the whole time.
Wasn’t talking to you. Responding to the video. It would be interesting to find out how two vehicles with the same tow rating, engine, transmission compare one being a 1/4 ton the other a half ton.
I have 2018 2.7 I love it. Eough power to do anything I need. I agree with redesigning the 3.5 after the 2.7. Although I suspect the 2.7 displacement was selected due to international sales and international taxes, etc.
Not overloading the engine really….its all about the combination of things. Engine, trans, gear ratio, suspension, vehicle weight, etc. Great vid though! Good review!
I have a 2023 supercab with the 2.7 ecoboost and I love how it tows. I also have a tuned gen 1 7.3 powerstroke and prefer towing with my 2.7. I totally agree with the diesel like feel when towing with this engine.
@@johnhahn8464 Faster acceleration, better ride, with the 10 speed don't have the truck shift then fall on its face plus the comfort and features of a 23 model vehicle vs a 27 year old one. If it was a 2023 diesel it would different
@@ryanb8317 faster acceleration when towing? The 2.7 has so much less torque. Completely agree with the better ride of the f150. Solid axle with front leaf is stiff. I swapped mine over to a 5 link on airbags
I am a long time Ram guy (V8) I went first with a 21 F150 with the 2.7 ECO and was very impressed with how it towed my 7K (loaded) travel trailer in FL I avg 11 mpg and I run at 62-65 mph I was going camping in the Blue Ridge Mountains and I had my doubts about the 2.7 making it thru the mountains so I ended up trading on a 22 RAM 1500 5.7 It towed ok but at a price I avg around 8-9 MPG even in FL on mostly flat highways a couple weeks ago I went back to the 24 F150 with the 2.7 STX I have the extended range tank a slightly less payload than the 21 (1758) the 24 has 1640 may be the ext range tank and a few more tech items I havent towed yet but plan on taking a test run before the next trip with the RV I really dont have any doubts and wont make the mistake on RAM again as I had many issues with the last one leaky rear windows (always stunk) radio issues and a clunk when starting which caused me to offload it
I don't consider the 2.7 a base engine. What I like about the 2.7 is you can dump any octane gas in it and it still makes good power. I have the 2.7 in my '21 Bronco and was in Western Colorado last week where 85 octane is a reality. Completed several high altitude trails with no issue. The 2.7 is basically a gasoline diesel. Even though my 2-door Bronco FE is nearly 5000lbs, I see MPGs in the low to mid 20s running around Ozark backroads.
My work truck is a 2018 XLT 4X4 2.7T with 40k miles. I don't tow, but do run it on some oilfield roads and long distance highway runs. 21.7mpg avg. over 2200 miles. It's quick, but off the line it feels dead and doesn't inspire confidence pulling out in front of fast moving traffic. I'm generally very impressed.
I feel like making the final drive ratio about 10-15% taller would help alot of these base engine full size trucks. If only they were as cheap as they used to be ...
@@DavidBrubaker-pi4gj I've got a 2018 STX with the 2.7 w/ 3.73 gears. the higher gearing definitely is preferred on the smaller engine. no hesitation at all.
I had a 2018 2.7 F150 and in sport mode it would squawk the tires in the first three gears. A little brake torque to get the turbos turning helps off the line.
I got a 21 F-150 XL crew cab 5 7 bed 4x4 2.7 3.55 rear end not locking rear/ front diff 10 speed 36 gallon gas tank. Bought it brand new and got 26,800 miles on it, so far. It's been a great, reliable, 0 issues truck. It spends all its time outside in Minnesota. I've towed a 10 foot long aluminum trailer, with at most, a 800 pound Harley Davidson and a X370 John Deere lawn tractor, ya wouldn't even know it was there. I've loaded up the bed with yard waste and sand bags, it does just fine. Gets me through Minnesota winters. No matter how cold or blizzard conditions, I've still gotta get to work and it hasn't let me down yet. On the super cold days, around where F and C merge, ya gotta keep it on recirculation to get heat inside the cab, otherwise it will start to blow cold. Ya might think that having no locking rear/ front diffs would suck in snow and ice, but the traction control seems to be able to more then handle pushing power to the wheels that need it.
I had a 2017 F150 with the 2.7 and the larger 38 gallon fuel tank. That thing was an awesome road trip machine. I didn’t tow with it but for long trips it was amazing. Range was over 700 miles per tank on the highway. I had zero issues in the 3 years I owned it. Oil changes every 5k. I don’t think you can get the 2.7 now in the Lariat and higher trim levels. Too bad.
I guess if you don’t tow daily and when you do your not maxed out on the 2.7 is ok! But I tow quite a lot almost daily so I’ll be looking in to a 250/ 2500 that can tow my 10k big Tex dump trailer. My last f150 was awesome doing this with 5.0 in the power barn.
I love the 2.7 in my '16. 3.73 gears. The only "complaint" I have is that while towing at interstate speed, its hard to stay out of boost. Ideal to me would be, utilizing boost to accelerate but being able to cruise without spooling. These engines actually have water cooled exhaust manifolds that are built into the heads, something they added later to 6.7 powerstrokes. In theory this should enable extended intervals under boost conditions, but it still is hard not to worry about considering the heat cycles will win eventually. But, turbos should be considered "wear items" that have very long intervals. It is not uncommon in the diesel world for an engine to go through multiple turbos in its life span.
Let me ask you this....If you were a contractor pulling this weight Mon-Fri 7am-5pm what would you buy for a tow vehicle? Would you even buy a half ton or would you jump up to a 3/4 ton....F250 or 2500?
2500 They also have full floating axles which are nice My ideal truck would be an F350 with the 6.2 gas 6R140 and 3.73 or 4.30 gears or a GMC/Chevy with the 6.0 and also the 6 speed in a 3500. The 6 speed trans on these 3/4 and one ton have already had a good reputation. The newer 10 speed seems finicky in both of them. But the new gas engines like Ford 7.3/6.8 and GMs 6.6 seems promising but it's mainly the transmissions I'm still on the fence about.
It isn't the engine power that would send me to a 3/4ton to pull that load every day- its all the other stuff. Bigger springs, bigger brakes, bigger trans, bigger radiators/coolers, and lastly, just more heft to the truck, which just gives you more stability.
I live in NC. from the video, you did not even show any HILLS! Drop trailer down to 4000lbs and take it up 421 near the parkway on 421N and Deep Gap. Or I40 climb to Ashville from Winston Salem. Or the two Grades in US23 between Dillsboro and Franklin and US64 from Franklin to haysville. Been over all with my boat and all steep and long. I'm not sure of grades off top of head but all are 8-12 from memory and at least a couple miles or more. NOW THAT IS A TEST!
i have a 2018 2.7 ecoboost and i love it. It hauls ass and when I bought it I loved the fact it had all those engine features considering i wanted to keep it long term. I bought a 5star tune to try it out and to be honest its brutally quick. The only thing I hate about my truck is the shitty 10 speed,. Surges at low speeds especially in traffic. It was terrible before the tune and its no different after the tune. Also once I was leaving a parking lot and i slowed down to turn left, my truck had turned auto stop on but when I was ready to accelerate my truck was dead. It was stuck on auto off.... I had to turn the key off and on again. Again that was before the tune.
I have a 2020 crew cab 4x4 with the 2.7. I currently tow an open car hauler weighing about 5200lbs, about 5 or 6 times a year. I average about 13-14 mpg doing it. I have been toying with the idea of buying an 8.5x20 enclosed car hauler, which would weigh around 7k totally loaded, but worried if it could handle it. I think I feel better about it now, especially knowing I won't be in the mountains with it.
Be aware that if you tow over the Continental divide your Maxtow is severely reduced at altitude even though the engine power output is maintained due to the turbos. This may be due to the cooling capacity of the vehicle being reduced due to the thinner air.
I bought a 2015 FX4 ext. cab 2.7 in 2016 pulled my boat full of stuff I guess around 5000 lbs. the bed loaded also 1500 hundred miles from the bay area to La Paz Baja cal. Mexico avg. almost 14 mpg through the mountains in Baja 100 deg. temps one time the trans temp reached 208 averaged 200 I did it a second time towing my UTV bed loaded to the max avg. 16t mpg I live in Baja been using this truck hard out here constantly in 4x4 no problems so far I only have 57k miles on just drove it back to Ca. had it serviced transmission fluid and filter changed front and rear diffs. transfer case fluid plugs radiator flush new brake fluid new serpentine belt new Toyo's 275 70 x18 RT tires Billsteins all around truck was averaging 21 mpg 22 for a little while I love the 2.7 EcoBoost I thought about trading it for new ranger with a 2.7 but I don't like 4 door trucks.
I have a 2018 f-150 2.7 eco-boost 10 speed automatic. It has 198,000 + miles now. Mechanicly, have only replaced spark plugs once at 150,000 miles and changed oil and filter at 5,000 mile intervals. Truck still looks like new inside and out!!! I love this truck! I live in the NC mountains and tow my race cars with open and a 20 ft. Enclosed trailor and i pull a 22ft. 8500 lb canper with this truck with no issues still. Has no oil leaks or issues!!! Now this what i call Ford Tough!! Thanks for your videos!
Glad to hear this I just watched "I Do Cars" channel tear down two 2.7s one with 96k and the other with 130k miles. I have a 2019 2.7 10 speed with 50k so far I'm super happy with it. I may change the oil every 3k to be safe idk. I run 93 octane in it so far too. Enjoy thanks for the info.
Awesome! Have you changed your trans fluid or coolant?
Yes at 60,000, and at 120,000,and at 180,000. Fluild looked great each time!@@GDLL-vp1cx
I just bought one and I love it. Drives like a diesel without the extra costs.
Of course ignoring having to replace the engine 5-10x as much. Even gasoline engines should be capable of lasting upwards of a million miles commonly, but expectations are varying inversely to what we should be seeing. Diesel engines already last upwards of a million miles if taken care of right, and have done so for decades, perhaps many. And of course, there is the 3 million mile Volvo as the world record.
@@alexwalker8422 You obviously know nothing about this 2.7. CGI block, all forged internals, fractured main caps and rod caps, 4 bolt mains.
@@alexwalker8422you’re lucky to get 500k out of a newer diesel. Even if you do, chances are you’ve already replaced the turbo and injectors which is the same cost as a new gas engine. Not to mention the emission equipment as well
@@atvrepairsandmore2482 oh yeah, the EPA BS, forgot about that. Good old EPA 😃.
Newer diesels are viciously sabotaged by the EPA, the efficiency and reliability they should have should put them way ahead of gasoline engines but here we are.
Edit:
Also even with all the EPA BS auto makers are deliberate reducing the reliability of their own engines, for example:
ruclips.net/user/shortsT5INdZynMzE
@@BS-zc4zo ok so I can get at least 300k+ odometer miles off of it then?
I LOVE the 2.7 ecoboost! My opinion is that Ford should do a "big block" v6. Same block material, design, twin turbos, but with a displacement of over 4.0l. This engine has been designed so well and strong that I think they should consider axing the 3.5 ecoboost and just have one v6 option, based on the 2.7
it would be cool to see the 3.5L modelled after the 2.7 or as you mentioned something even larger
4.0 would be ideal
@@letitrest4662 And let's not forget wet belt failures. But even if they don't fail, replacing them every 150k miles is crazy because of the labor involved.
NO truck engine should have a rubber belt anything except a serpentine belt. And a belt driven oil pump is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Ford has lost their mind on this.
Edit: And your spot on about the small engine big power problem. Look at the old 12 valve Cummins. Weighs almost 1,000lbs and in stock form made 160-215HP and 400-500 lbs of torque. Built and tuned to work hard for decades without failure. A tiny lightweight 2.7 pumping out huge power and hauling weight doesn't make sense for longevity.
I agree the 3.5 should be dropped for a 2.7 based larger displacement version. I'll take it a step further and say add two cylinders. Probably be around 3.5 V8 and would sound decent with turbo noise.
Like it or not they'll never do that. The mpgs wouldnt be good enough. It'd be great to change the intervals to duplicate the 2.7. I'm actually surprised it's not already like that
I had a 2018 with the 2.7 and a 2019 with the 3.5. The 2.7 was way smoother/quieter than the 3.5 and honestly felt a little more punchy in city driving. It also got much better city fuel economy and the highway economy was about the same between the two. I have also owned a 2013 5.0 F150. The 2.7 is my favorite engine of he three. None of them gave me any mechanical issues.
I have a 2018 crew 2.7 with 3.55 gears. Tows my car trailer 7,000 pounds with no fuss at all. Just got over a 100k miles with absolutely zero issues. I previously had a 2015 5.0l F150 and no complaints with that truck either but getting 25mpg on the freeway empty is fantastic and really like my 2.7l
ehh my '21 super crew 4x4 with the 5.0 can get that on the highway empty as well.I averaged 25 mpg on e10/91 on a long trip recently. 12-14 towing 7500-8000 lbs or so
@@Terminxman op does it without being gay tho.
@@Terminxmansure didn’t lol. Stop believing the computer and start doing the math.
Apologies in advance.
@@JJR1371 it's sometimes off by fractions of a mpg. Big deal. Has to do with slight tire size differences. You can adjust your tire size/ratios in forscan and affect the accuracy also. Genius. Yeah the big scary computer is trying to trick me right? Do you also think that it "lies" only in the 5.0 version?
@@Terminxmanthey’re all off, clearly. And it sure ain’t by “a fraction”, unless someone would consider about 20% to be a fraction.
I’ve owned 2 of them and drive nothing but highway. Have always seen 24MPG plus, have never once got over 20 when calculated.
It’s simple math. Fuelly does it for you if curious what everyone else is *actually* getting.
I have the 2.7 Ecoboost and cannot say enough good things about it. I tow a 4500lb camper with about 3/4 payload loaded about 6 times throughout the summer time (5000 total kms) and she pulls like a champ. My last truck was a 5.0 and it was great at towing as well but a lot worse on fuel. I'd love to see a Powerboost video next!
Do the powerboost !!!🔋 🏴 🔌
I have the 2.7 in my 2023. I love it. The 2.7 has blown me away and has exceeded my expectations I had for it. I’m so glad I chose the 2.7 eco.
Have u had any issues? I got mine, it was a demo truck for a dealer and I notice a small rattle noise after turning it on and driving (cold weather) a good 5 minutes after going off
2.7 is junk. Get 5.0@@TheMemeXp1
You have the best comparison videos on RUclips. I have a 2015 2.7 and have really enjoyed it! Currently it has 88k miles
Have a 2023 F150 2.7L and I am very pleased. I did not know anything about this engine and actually had set my mind on the 5.0L. Coming from a 2015 Ram 5.7L, I was wanting to stick with a plain old V8. Well, I am glad I went with the 2.7L.
My 2016 2.7 is getting ready to hit 180,000 miles, other than brakes and oil changes, zero issues, mostly mixed highway / rural roads, average since new is right at 25 mpg. Tows my boat ( 7000lbs) no problem, fyi it’s a 2 wheel drive regular cab
Two wheel drive regular cab, this is the way. My man!
I'm not a fan of ford but I did have a 2018 f150 with the 2.7 and it was definitely a nice running truck. Enjoyed it. No issues at all.
I own a 2018 crew cab. Just hit 100,000. Zero problems. It does everything I have asked of it. 21 MPG. Highly recommend this engine.
I have a 2018 f150 with the 2.7 and I absolutely love it. I exceeded the towing capacity with a 2000lbs dump trailer and about 10k of bricks and it impressed me, the truck didn't sagg, it just leveled off and I had no issues entering and keeping up with traffic.
I have the 2.7 in my 2017. I absolutely love the engine because it has plenty of power while maintaining good fuel economy for a full-size truck.
I've been waiting for this one. I have the 2.7 coming out of the 5.0 coyote. And I'm really impressed. I tow about once a week, similar trailer but around 6.5k. Love it. If my trailer was over 7.5k, I would probably go for the 3.5. But it suits my setup perfect. The majority of my driving is no trailer and the fuel economy is awesome. Just all around good engine. Perfect mix of economy to power.
Now that you have the chance to have both, in your honest opinion, which do you recommend? I don’t plan on towing anything. I’m coming from Toyota and reliability is the most important thing for me.
@@offthewallsurfer1 If you're not going to tow, then the 2.7. If you're trying to keep a truck past 200k miles, then you're probably safer with the 5.0.
@@areabum well that is only an opinion
I have the 2018 Ford F 150 2.7 and just love it. Super responsive, effortless acceleration and good fuel economy. I'll keep it till it falls apart.
Nice! The 2018 F-150 is also the best looking Ford truck since the mid 1990s IMO.
I love New Brunswick! I come up at least once a year to mountain bike in the Fredericton area (love Minto and Woolastook). You’ve got great breweries too! I’ve got this 2.7, don’t tow and get almost 25 mpg on long trips! Your videos are awesome!
@alex... Ram 1500 5.7 hemi fuel economy loop...
This 2.7 is built strong.
The 2.7 has a good reputation. I know they had some teething issues and the mechanics hate the plastic oil pan....but for my use, the 2.7 would be perfectly fine.
I bought a new XLT FX 4 in 2014 with the 3.5 turbo ,,,,great truck...i drove from lexington KY to Erie Pa on one tank of gas..and i was doing 80MPH must of the trip....very happy...Miss that truck
Pull a 6,000 lb. Camper with my 23 lowly xl 2.7 tow package 3:73 rear end and it does great, never seems stressed, I take my time and realize you break stuff when your in a hurry, plus I’m old and retired, but for 4 or 5 camping trips a year it does fine. I think if I towed every day I’d get a 250 or 2,500 truck, but these ain’t bad trucks. I usually am around 11-13 mpg with the camper, I run 93 when towing, not sure it runs stronger or just in my mind.
I feel like that is what these base model engines are meant for. The 2.7v6 2.7turbomax and 3.6 pentastar aren't meant for 8000 pounds or more. They make a good work truck engine without heavy hauling.
@@DavidBrubaker-pi4gj well said! I had Tacoma’s which were great trucks, other than the rust in a damp/salted winter roads environment , but this truck has a lot more capability and believe it or not, driven old man gently get about 2 more MPG’s than the 4.0 V6 in the Tacoma. I may just be lucky but I’ve had 100% reliability out of both my 2017 and my 2023, I think maintenance is the key with these engine, oil fluids and filters, I also get transmission filter and fluid ever 50k, I can do the oil and air filter, but go to a good tech guy on the transmission filter.
@@poppyneese1811 I bought a fluid transfer pump for $30 and serviced my 10r80 trans myself. Dealer wanted over $450 to do it. I had about $150 in parts and fluid if memory serves me right. I just don`t trust dealers. I used to work in new car dealers and most of the guys are so useless.
@@REDMAN298sounds great, but what about filter, I’m assuming this keeps you from pulling the pan?
of course I changed the filter. That was out of the $150 in parts. Nice new pan gasket too.
I have a 2019 150 xlt supercrew with the 2.7 and just got an airstream 23fb, 6000 lbs. On our first 1200 mile trip had no problems and got an average of 13.5 mpg, calculated, the display read 14.2. I keep considering moving up to a 3/4 ton for additional payload, as the 150 only has 1580 lb. total payload with passengers and tongue wt. really eating into that, but just can't justify how much trucks are nowadays. I do have small bags on the rear to help with leveling, have wt. dist. hitch, and always use 91+ octane, and I only paid 40k us new when I bought it back then. I'm going to run it through next summer, keep the tanks on the camper dry while towing to maximize our cargo capacity, but we don't really take much. Towing my 2200 lb. flat bed trailer usually with flat wood cargo the same 1200 miles, I can easily get 16 to 17 mpg. I do limit the speed to 65, maybe 68 if winds are favorable.
im super happy you tested the 2.7 that i have asked you to do. i figured you would be impressed with the power and torgue of such a small displacement im on my sixth f150 with the 2.7 eco and couldnt ask for anything more it pulls get good gas mileage bravo ford on enginerring an awesome motor.
I love my 21' 2.7. Hauls my car like it isn't there. Does everything I ask it to do without drama or strain. It's an under rated motor.
After doing tons of research, this is why I ended up with the 2.7 last fall. We plan on picking up a 5-6000lb (fully loaded) camper next year, and figured that we camp maybe 6-8x/year. That's 12-16 days of towing heavy. The other 350 days are unloaded, and it's hard to beat the gas mileage and smoothness.
My *only* concern is how it handles a 5-6k lb camper here in Colorado Rockies, as we have multiple mountain passes that are over 11,000', but in theory, it should wipe the floor with any manufacturer's V8 options due to significant power losses of the NA engines.
New subscriber because of this video!!
I traded a 2015 F-250 lariat for 2023 F-150 STX 2x4 w/2.7 ecoboost and was amazed how it pulled my 18’ pontoon boat on a single axle trailer with no trailer brakes! BUT.. I traded it 6 weeks later for a 4x4 XLT for several reasons. Likes of the the STX- 28mpg Hwy, 15 mpg towing the pontoon and the power on demand!!
Dis likes of the STX-
Trouble pulling the pontoon out of the water, driver seat, little car mirrors and a rear view camera not work a crap! .. likes of the 2023 XLT 4x4 w/2.7 exoboost. Towing mirrors (I didn’t know was an option to have installed), electric drivers seat! (Still not lariat). Dis-Locke of the 4x4 XLT, engine shakes at the red like or stop sign compared to the 2x4 that was smooth all the time, 20mpg all around and 15 pulling the pontoon. I took the 2023 XLT 4x4
W/2.7 ecoboost on a 300 mile trip @ cruse set at 70 mpg (flat ground in Mississippi)with no trailer and every 100 mile I stop and reset the mileage and fuel economy and use “normal, Sport, & eco” and the Sport got the best fuel Mileage.
The 2.7L ecoboost is perfect for me. While I do tow with my truck, I never tow anywhere near its max rating. My truck doubles as a daily commuter and my work truck. when I'm not towing anything, the mileage is quite impressive. One of my favorite things to do when I'm not pressed for time is to hyper-mile my truck. So far the best I have done is 29MPG @55MPH in 10th gear. To get the truck into tenth gear at 55, I set the cruise control a 60MPH. Afterwards, I slow down to 55 and the truck stays in 10th gear.
My truck is a 2.7L TT 2018 STX SuperCrew 4x4
How many miles are you traveling for that 29 mpg loop?
@@johnhahn8464 Round trip is around 130 miles. Most of it is without traffic lights, that helps a lot.
This engine with 3.73 rear end option and payload package option is absolutely perfect. 10,100 lb tow capacity with those options also.
But your fuel consumption suffers
We have the 2.7eco with the payload pkg, which includes 3.73 gears and a payload of 1820lbs. An amazing combination for the price. Not to mention the reliability for every day use with towing when needed!
I'm not into Ford and I prefer old school, naturally aspirated engines, but this engine is impressive.
Especially because Ford offers this as base engine. Seems like the Ford engineers did a great job!
It'd be nice if the info graphics stayed visible for longer or even permanently. They don't have to be big
Amazing motor! The best mileage, power, and all-around performance. There's a GOOD reason for the f150 to be #1 selling vehicle. It's awesome with every motor in their own way but my choice would be a 2.7 almost always
I think General Motors outsells Ford every year (albeit split between Chevrolet and GMC dealerships), but you are right about the 2.7L. I'm a fan even if the mechanics hate the plastic oil pan.
I'd prefer the 5.0L V8, but there isn't anything wrong with that 2.7L engine.
@@illinoistiger8694 I agree with ya👍🏻
I got first generation 2.7 ! My daily !! Love it!
I tow my 5 ton dump trailer with my 2.7, super impressed with it
I've towed my Grand Design 2400BH 7700 GVWR travel trailer all over the appalachian mountains in TN, SC, and NC with my 2020 2.7 and it is a beast that hauled up and down every grade without issue. I have a couple of comments to add to this review. I tow with 91/93 octane and compared to 87 you generally get the same torque at 300-500rpm less. I imagine this testing was done with 87 but the 2.7 doesn't truly reveal it's power until it has 93, trust me. Regarding the 7500# max tow limit on what I imagine was a 2024 XL 145WB screw 4x4, Ford derated the 2.7 in 2024 and the 2021-2023 2.7 models equipped with the "2.7 payload package" are rated to tow 10,100 in the same 145WB 4x4 screw config. The payload package gets you the 9.75 diff instead of the 8.8HD diff, that is where the extra GCWR rating is coming from. The 2.7 engine/cooling/transmission is the same and as per Ford tow guides for 2021-23, it can pull 10000#.
sounds to me like gm lied about the tow rating of the turbomax and ford didnt lie about the 2.7 tow rating
Ford recently got caught and had to reduce their tow ratings.
Could be gear ratio also makes a big difference comparing tow vehicles.
@@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel interesting what did they rate it at before
I don't know about that because my 2016 has the same tow rating as this one
Tow ratings are overseen by SAE, there’s not much room for “lying” about them, and GM actually has a history of being fairly conservative with their tow ratings whereas Ford has a history of being, well, “optimistic” about theirs… granted, this was prior to the normalization of tow ratings by the SAE, but still.
Thanks for the information. I have a similar vehicle with that engine and posted a video towing a Toyota Corolla up the Appalachians to New England. The weight was closer to 3500 pounds and the fuel economy hit was on the order of 20%. Like your report, I found the throttle response was better than I thought it would be. Thanks again for taking the time to post the video.
These videos really illustrate that work requires gasoline and it doesn't matter terribly whether it's a big V8 or small turbo V6 (or other). If you're dragging a few tons around then a given amount of work (in physics terms, ie; work is a force multiplied by a distance) is required. Thanks again for taking the time to give comparable metrics to the different vehicles/platforms. E90 only has about 95% of the heat content of gasoline, so I'd expect a 1 mpg degradation per 20 (or so) and Diesel has about 20% more heat content than gasoline, so one might expect that sort of increase in fuel economy in such a vehicle. Great stuff. Thanks again.
Owned 2 of these and never had a single problem! Bought a 25 Ram this year and think it is also a great truck. With all the things that can go wrong with these complicated machines, it amazes that more doesn't.
Very good. I think the Coyote need to have the 3.73 on this chart instead of the 3.31, as you noted how much better that behaved.
This.
Not sure why he discriminated against the 5L/3.73 truck for this comparison.
I talked to an older guy towing a really nice red center console boat with a golf cart on the bed. He said he came from Florida… we were in Southern California having this conversation. The 2.7L f150 was and older model, I think a 2014 and it had 200k + miles.. I was incredibly impressed..
I was planning to purchase a truck later this year and subsequently use it to haul my project car across the country. I've been eyeing a 2021 w/ a 2.7 and this really set my mind at ease knowing that the 5800lbs wouldn't be a problem for it
Bought this truck in Aug based on your reviews. Very happy with mileage and drivability.
Thanks for the reviews.
I have a 2019 regular cab short box 2 wheel drive with the 2.7 and 3.73:1 gears. It moves!! Runs amazing and it just purrrrs everywhere it goes with no effort at all.
I could imagine lol
I appreciate you not cutting the trailer weight down to the trucks capacity. Most reviewers would have lowered the weight on the trailer. My theory behind the low towing capacity is maybe when at high elevation fully loaded, it might run warm keeping the turbos spooked that long with lower air density. I believe that’s why the new Hurricane with Ram did not get a jump in towing like we were expecting. 2.7 is a beast of a engine though. Now that you’ve reviewed most trucks, I’d like to see you compare the same trucks with different gear ratios.
I have a 2016 with 2.7 ecoboost with a 154K. I am an electrical and mechanical contractor. Only issue has been the oil pan at 135K. I have a 6in lift with 35in tires, a Highway Products service truck cap, deck tool box, Fab Four front and rear bumper, Firestone air compressor with air bags, and 4:56 gears. Truck has towed up to 12K without any issues. I tow about 7k-8k on a weekly basis. Truck still runs like a bat out of hell, and get 16-18 MPG in the city, and 20-22 MPG. I prefer this engine for the simple reason on how it's built. Beside the inline 300, this has been the best Ford engine I have ever owned
I absolutely love these reviews and how real world that they are! I think not changing the trailer weight based on the truck is spot on because that's what happens in the real world.
I'm planning on buying a Ford F-150 with the 2.7Lv6 Ecoboost in the spring.
Not a bad option
Do it I just picked up a 2024 stx with the 2.7 4x4 and love it
I have had my 18 2.7 for a year now absolutely love it so glad i went with the 2.7 instead of a 5.0 or 3.5
Great video, thanks 👍 My 2016 2.7 just turned 124 K miles. Changed trans fluid, T.case, both diffs. Plugs next, I love that engine 👍
I have this engine in my 2019 Lincoln Continental and it performs awesome! Great mileage on long road trips, excellent power climbing mountains and smooth.
I have a 4 month old 2024 Ford Bronco Wildtrak sasquatch 4 door with the 2.7l V6 turbo and drove it all summer long and on this platform it really gets up and goes with those turbos, plus torque is supper nice, love this truck. The issues you read about, are with the 2021 to very early 2023 models, I can tell you the 2024 runs like a dream , this is why even with a computer, I wait three years for the bugs to get out, I even worked for Apple. Even did my first oil change at 2500 miles and that was easy. The 10 speed is smooth. This the 2024 model with the second gen ecoboost v6 turbo got all the kinks out and i would recommend it.
My 2003 4.6L 4x4 is still running strong, but if I were to replace it, it would be an F150 with this engine. Mine is somewhat slow and gets terrible mileage around town. But it's paid for, reliable, and simple to maintain. I suppose if fuel gets to $6 or $7 bucks a gallon after Israel blows up Iran I'd buy a new one.
I was super excited when I found out that they would be putting this engine in the new Ranger when I was thinking about upgrading to it. I'm going to go look at some and test drive them soon.
From what I understand, the 3.0L Ecoboost in the Ranger raptor is a very closely related engine to the 2.7 so I would be interested to see a breakdown of that one too
My 2019 2.7 towed a 28 foot boat With no issues. It's also towed my sxs in the mountains FL to WV like nothing was behind it. This is with a 6" lift and 35s. I recently tuned the truck with 5 star tuning. What a difference that made this engine can scream and the trans is smooth as butter. With the tune I gained about 2 mpg on highway well worth the money. My old 5.7 ram has nothing on this truck as far as power.
The 2.7 ecoboost tow rating may be limited by its cooling system. The SAE towing test is done with A/C on high and at least 100 degrees outside temperature.
The 2.7 ecoboost has the same cooling as the 3.5 ecoboost, same radiators, same fans, liquid cooling to turbos first, passive cooling flow when engine off. I've subjected my 2.7 to a lot of grueling conditions and never experienced any heat issues.
@f150_2_7_owner Good to hear cooling system is the same.
Could be to force people into the 3.5, which overwhelmingly comes in higher trim packages.....more $$$
@@MADAmechanical It's the same thing with the GVWR on the 2.7's. It has the same 8.8 rear end, HD frame (in the crew cab config) etc as the 5.0, but only gets 6600lbs vs 7050. The only difference is a slightly different deflection rate in the rear springs. You could easily swap springs (or add an RAS) and unofficially bump the payload up to be equal to the 5.0, which is +450lbs more.
It's almost certainly to get people to buy the larger engines for more $$
@@caveman017 didn't the 5.0 and 3.5 EB got the 9.75" rear axle as standard? That's what I always see on those while the 2.7 gets the Super 8.8"
Just got back from Colorado, 1600 miles pulling a small camper trailer weighing a little over 1000 lbs with my 2.7 engine Bronco and car ran like a champ. A little less mpg but no big deal.
Got no experience myself with the motor but my wife’s cousin had a 2.7L to pull a large camper trailer. He complained about it feeling underpowered and traded it in for 6.2 Trail Boss. Seems a lot happier
Sounds like he bought the wrong truck for the wrong purpose the first time.
Are you going to tow with the 3.0L Duramax anytime soon? Love the work you are doing on your channel.
I own a 2019 2.7 ecoboost. I have had it tuned at 5 star tunes running 93 octane . After tuning they put it on the dyno . I have lost the sheet but they were able to get 398 hp and 492 ft lbs torque .
I have towed everything from 3 quads on a 12 ft trailer to 21 ft boat , to a standard size mini excavator on a 14 ft dump trailer
And it pulls up hill as good or better than most v8s on level ground. The issues I have had are the ring and pinion in the rear has once went bad, started humming then louder and louder, took to ford and had repaired under warranty, then 2 years later the pinion gear I believe is what they said, busted or shattered. Had that covered under warranty luckily just before I hit 100000 , other than that Ive had the egr tube break from the flange twice and no other issues.
I will admit, I give it hell quite often , the tune I run has the gears ready to burn in 1st and bark thru 3rd . It will lay you back and you can feel the rear of the truck squat like it has a shift kit in an old school hot rod each time it hits a gear . That probably hasnt helped with the rearend repairs but now that my warranty is out I will probably look into upgrading or changing the gear ratios but overall, the 2.7 engine is a very impressive engine. Ive had several people ride with me and tell me that they were not expecting all that lol.
The only thing that I really dont like is the fact that I cannot put dual exaust for some sound . I really like the sound of the 5.0 just factory, but youll never get anything close to that with a 2.7 the sound of a v6 with pipes on a full size truck truck simply takes away a little "respect" from it if you will so im left limited to stock exaust but Im still glad I chose the 2.7 . Hopefully I can keep it going for many years to come
The best way to tow heavy with the little 2.7 EB is to lock it into 7th gear and let it go. It drops the trans temp by 5 to 7°C, and keeps the engine sitting right at torque peak. And your fuel economy will not be any worse than if you leave it in 10th. I've been doing this now for 5 years towing all different types of trailers
Take it a step further, unless you are always running on flat ground, best mpg period is in 7th with 3.73's unloaded if you are doing 110 or less
You should be using tow/haul mode , the truck should stay in 7th gear on its own
@pathunter7003 i do use tow/haul mode. However, even when towing heavy, it still tries to use 8th or 9th if it can, and it will only drop into 7th if going up a shallow incline. So I just lock it into 7th myself and let the engine do its thing easily while lowering both the transmission and exhaust gas temperatures.
I just bought a shiny new 2024 3.5 eco boost, and I'm likin it! 😎
I was leary when I first bought my 2019 2.7 75,000 later a great engine. Reliable!!!
I have a 2018 2.7 TT and im at 70k miles. 65k of those were running a "Tune" from a reputable company. Truck makes around 400-425hp with bolt ons. It drives well and i haven't had any issues other than a charging problem that was corrected with a better better battery. The engine pulls hard and can be a bit thirsty because its in boost but excellent performance. The transmission does some clunky shifting here and there. I do worry about the "wet" belt ling term.
Same GH running 2019 2.7
How long is belt life ?
Doing 5000km OCI
At 100000km now
Ppl seem to think 200000km or 120000miles
I have a 2016 F150 XL. I bought in 2016 and nothing but good stuff here. I pull a car trailer with it, also my 21' hard top boat with no issues. I live in Washington state and cross over the passes here pulling the trailers. I can maintain 65 mph with ease. My average mpg while pulling is 13.8 mpg . When not loaded I get 19.7 mpg mixed hwy and city.
I’ve got the first generation of this engine and it’s just as impressive.
I like that you use the same trailor
Love the testing numbers on multiple different levels.
Great video! Can’t wait to see a Powerboost tow test. My FIL had a 2.7 ecoboost for one of his work trucks and it impressed him and myself. Now he has a Powerboost and that thing is insane! It’d be interesting if Ford used the 2.7 instead of the 3.5 for the Powerboost. Likely would get over to 30mpg since my FIL has averaged 26mpg in his PB already.
Love this video and the 2.7L CGI engine. Great content. My only critique is the missing ECM data logs to go along with these tests.
I tow a 5000 lb. camper with my 2017 f-150 2.7 l ecoboost in the foothills with no problem !
Had a 2018 XL 4x4 2.7 with the somewhat rare payload package and short gears (can't recall the ratio) that bumped the tow rating up to 9200... I put over 10k behind it on several occasions and that driveline packed sufficient grunt to make it obvious the frame was the weakest link in a 150 towing that much. All that, and if you drive it with a light foot 23mpg is easy, and if you really pay attention on a long trip 30 is possible. Oh, and it's reliable too! The 2.7 ecoboost is probably the best engine Ford makes currently as far as doing absolutely everything they claim it can and more, and arguably one of, if not the best light truck engine ever. Ex wife got it in the divorce, still miss that truck.
Impressive. I own a 2010 f150 with a 4.6 and tow a 5000 lb travel trailer through the mountains of bc and average 23L/100. I run a 34" tire and swapped my gears to 3.73 from 3.55. 292hp and 330 ft lbs and my max tow is 7800. I am surprised the 2.7 is only 7500
Got the 2021 2.7. Been flawless and great on gas thus far
Wow that’s impressive
As always great review Alex
Incredible film sir Alex 👏
I would highly recommend verifying fuel mileage at the fuel pump, I have noted that I get roughly 2-3 mpg less than the dash states (not sure what that would equate to Canada fuel metrics).
I just snagged a 2022 STX 2.7. I dont think I'd feel comfortable towing more than 7k miles on a regular basis, but i really like the truck.
2015 with 82,000 coolant leak cost $2,400 at dealer. Transmission module replacement at 84,000 was $600.
Towing a 4500 lb 26-foot camper has been no problem.
2016 f150 with the 2.6 so the 6 speed transmission and 136k miles. I have a 3.5" lift and 35"tires. I can still pull 22-24 true mpg. For the year, the 2.7 l was the fastest of the vehicles due to it being so light. I test drove the 3.5 (expecting to buy one), 5.0 and then the 2.7l. I could feel the weight difference on the front end. I have a pop up camper and pulls 80mph constant up mountains with no issues. I just got back from vacation, 550 miles each direction no stopping with heavy winds. Going out 19 mpg, driving around the mountains for a couple days, 22.1 mpg. And back home today, haven't filled up yet probably 18 mpg. Lifetime mpg 17.3. Lift cost me about 1 and tires 4 mpg. I have documented every penny on the truck. Only things to ever break, 1 sensor at 12k and the sun roof after 3 years.
What broke on your sunroof? What was the repair and bill?
I have one in my Bronco and I love it. Throw a tune on it and run straight E85 for even more fun 😊
My 23 lowly XL with the 2.7 Ecoboost handles my 5,000 lb. camper with ease, but it’s me that gets worn out towing, every sound I hear I think I’ve lost it. Maybe this coming year I’ll get more comfortable towing. We might take it camping 6 or 7 times in the spring and summer. The truck does great, it’s me that stresses the whole time.
Get a Ranger. Same tow rating as this f-150. I know my 19 has pulled like a dream, haven’t pushed to the max but it doesn’t struggle at 5,000 lbs.
Why? A Ranger is a tiny truck! lol Two very different vehicles based on needs. Im 6’4 and a Ranger feels like my brothers Taco. TINY!
Wasn’t talking to you. Responding to the video. It would be interesting to find out how two vehicles with the same tow rating, engine, transmission compare one being a 1/4 ton the other a half ton.
I have 2018 2.7 I love it. Eough power to do anything I need. I agree with redesigning the 3.5 after the 2.7. Although I suspect the 2.7 displacement was selected due to international sales and international taxes, etc.
Not overloading the engine really….its all about the combination of things. Engine, trans, gear ratio, suspension, vehicle weight, etc.
Great vid though! Good review!
I have a 2023 supercab with the 2.7 ecoboost and I love how it tows. I also have a tuned gen 1 7.3 powerstroke and prefer towing with my 2.7. I totally agree with the diesel like feel when towing with this engine.
Stop ✋️. In what way is the 2.7 better?
@@johnhahn8464
Faster acceleration, better ride, with the 10 speed don't have the truck shift then fall on its face plus the comfort and features of a 23 model vehicle vs a 27 year old one. If it was a 2023 diesel it would different
@@ryanb8317 faster acceleration when towing? The 2.7 has so much less torque. Completely agree with the better ride of the f150. Solid axle with front leaf is stiff. I swapped mine over to a 5 link on airbags
@@johnhahn8464 yes faster acceleration when towing, and obviously when empty as well.
I am a long time Ram guy (V8) I went first with a 21 F150 with the 2.7 ECO and was very impressed with how it towed my 7K (loaded) travel trailer in FL I avg 11 mpg and I run at 62-65 mph I was going camping in the Blue Ridge Mountains and I had my doubts about the 2.7 making it thru the mountains so I ended up trading on a 22 RAM 1500 5.7 It towed ok but at a price I avg around 8-9 MPG even in FL on mostly flat highways a couple weeks ago I went back to the 24 F150 with the 2.7 STX I have the extended range tank a slightly less payload than the 21 (1758) the 24 has 1640 may be the ext range tank and a few more tech items I havent towed yet but plan on taking a test run before the next trip with the RV I really dont have any doubts and wont make the mistake on RAM again as I had many issues with the last one leaky rear windows (always stunk) radio issues and a clunk when starting which caused me to offload it
Great job on the video. Good info for thought prior to a purchase.
I don't consider the 2.7 a base engine. What I like about the 2.7 is you can dump any octane gas in it and it still makes good power. I have the 2.7 in my '21 Bronco and was in Western Colorado last week where 85 octane is a reality. Completed several high altitude trails with no issue. The 2.7 is basically a gasoline diesel. Even though my 2-door Bronco FE is nearly 5000lbs, I see MPGs in the low to mid 20s running around Ozark backroads.
My work truck is a 2018 XLT 4X4 2.7T with 40k miles. I don't tow, but do run it on some oilfield roads and long distance highway runs. 21.7mpg avg. over 2200 miles. It's quick, but off the line it feels dead and doesn't inspire confidence pulling out in front of fast moving traffic. I'm generally very impressed.
I love having an engine that doesn't give me confidence when pulling out into traffic.😂
I feel like making the final drive ratio about 10-15% taller would help alot of these base engine full size trucks.
If only they were as cheap as they used to be ...
@@DavidBrubaker-pi4gj I've got a 2018 STX with the 2.7 w/ 3.73 gears. the higher gearing definitely is preferred on the smaller engine. no hesitation at all.
I had a 2018 2.7 F150 and in sport mode it would squawk the tires in the first three gears. A little brake torque to get the turbos turning helps off the line.
I got a 21 F-150 XL crew cab 5 7 bed 4x4 2.7 3.55 rear end not locking rear/ front diff 10 speed 36 gallon gas tank.
Bought it brand new and got 26,800 miles on it, so far. It's been a great, reliable, 0 issues truck. It spends all its time outside in Minnesota. I've towed a 10 foot long aluminum trailer, with at most, a 800 pound Harley Davidson and a X370 John Deere lawn tractor, ya wouldn't even know it was there. I've loaded up the bed with yard waste and sand bags, it does just fine. Gets me through Minnesota winters. No matter how cold or blizzard conditions, I've still gotta get to work and it hasn't let me down yet. On the super cold days, around where F and C merge, ya gotta keep it on recirculation to get heat inside the cab, otherwise it will start to blow cold. Ya might think that having no locking rear/ front diffs would suck in snow and ice, but the traction control seems to be able to more then handle pushing power to the wheels that need it.
I had a 2017 F150 with the 2.7 and the larger 38 gallon fuel tank. That thing was an awesome road trip machine. I didn’t tow with it but for long trips it was amazing. Range was over 700 miles per tank on the highway. I had zero issues in the 3 years I owned it. Oil changes every 5k. I don’t think you can get the 2.7 now in the Lariat and higher trim levels. Too bad.
I guess if you don’t tow daily and when you do your not maxed out on the 2.7 is ok! But I tow quite a lot almost daily so I’ll be looking in to a 250/ 2500 that can tow my 10k big Tex dump trailer. My last f150 was awesome doing this with 5.0 in the power barn.
love me a 5L but yes agreed. daily heavy towing should be with a 2500/3500
I love the 2.7 in my '16. 3.73 gears. The only "complaint" I have is that while towing at interstate speed, its hard to stay out of boost. Ideal to me would be, utilizing boost to accelerate but being able to cruise without spooling. These engines actually have water cooled exhaust manifolds that are built into the heads, something they added later to 6.7 powerstrokes.
In theory this should enable extended intervals under boost conditions, but it still is hard not to worry about considering the heat cycles will win eventually. But, turbos should be considered "wear items" that have very long intervals. It is not uncommon in the diesel world for an engine to go through multiple turbos in its life span.
Let me ask you this....If you were a contractor pulling this weight Mon-Fri 7am-5pm what would you buy for a tow vehicle? Would you even buy a half ton or would you jump up to a 3/4 ton....F250 or 2500?
2500/3500 all day long. 1500 would do it fine, but it wouldn't last.
Agreed …..
We have 7 f 250 with Godzillas that regularly pull 12000 lb trailer
…some with 100 k miles = no problems
2500
They also have full floating axles which are nice
My ideal truck would be an F350 with the 6.2 gas 6R140 and 3.73 or 4.30 gears or a GMC/Chevy with the 6.0 and also the 6 speed in a 3500.
The 6 speed trans on these 3/4 and one ton have already had a good reputation. The newer 10 speed seems finicky in both of them. But the new gas engines like Ford 7.3/6.8 and GMs 6.6 seems promising but it's mainly the transmissions I'm still on the fence about.
It isn't the engine power that would send me to a 3/4ton to pull that load every day- its all the other stuff. Bigger springs, bigger brakes, bigger trans, bigger radiators/coolers, and lastly, just more heft to the truck, which just gives you more stability.
Half tons aren’t meant for towing all the time. Never were. 3/4 and up for work.
I live in NC. from the video, you did not even show any HILLS! Drop trailer down to 4000lbs and take it up 421 near the parkway on 421N and Deep Gap. Or I40 climb to Ashville from Winston Salem. Or the two Grades in US23 between Dillsboro and Franklin and US64 from Franklin to haysville. Been over all with my boat and all steep and long. I'm not sure of grades off top of head but all are 8-12 from memory and at least a couple miles or more. NOW THAT IS A TEST!
i have a 2018 2.7 ecoboost and i love it. It hauls ass and when I bought it I loved the fact it had all those engine features considering i wanted to keep it long term. I bought a 5star tune to try it out and to be honest its brutally quick. The only thing I hate about my truck is the shitty 10 speed,. Surges at low speeds especially in traffic. It was terrible before the tune and its no different after the tune. Also once I was leaving a parking lot and i slowed down to turn left, my truck had turned auto stop on but when I was ready to accelerate my truck was dead. It was stuck on auto off.... I had to turn the key off and on again. Again that was before the tune.
The ford 10 speeds are a little sporadic at times i agree
I’m wanting a Ranger with the 2.7. I already have a 2023 2DR Bronco BaseSquatch with the 2.7 and I definitely made the right engine choice.
Ranger only comes with a 2.3 Ecoboost engine
@@chetthibodaux5804not anymore it dont
@@chetthibodaux5804Not anymore. 2.7 made available in 2024.
Yeah don't know whey they bothered with a 3.0L turbo for the Ranger. The 2.7L would make that truck an absolute rocket, and it's already out there.
I have a 2020 crew cab 4x4 with the 2.7. I currently tow an open car hauler weighing about 5200lbs, about 5 or 6 times a year. I average about 13-14 mpg doing it. I have been toying with the idea of buying an 8.5x20 enclosed car hauler, which would weigh around 7k totally loaded, but worried if it could handle it. I think I feel better about it now, especially knowing I won't be in the mountains with it.
Definitely looks like ford underrated the engine
Be aware that if you tow over the Continental divide your Maxtow is severely reduced at altitude even though the engine power output is maintained due to the turbos. This may be due to the cooling capacity of the vehicle being reduced due to the thinner air.
I bought a 2015 FX4 ext. cab 2.7 in 2016 pulled my boat full of stuff I guess around 5000 lbs. the bed loaded also 1500 hundred miles from the bay area to La Paz Baja cal. Mexico avg. almost 14 mpg through the mountains in Baja 100 deg. temps one time the trans temp reached 208 averaged 200 I did it a second time towing my UTV bed loaded to the max avg. 16t mpg I live in Baja been using this truck hard out here constantly in 4x4 no problems so far I only have 57k miles on just drove it back to Ca. had it serviced transmission fluid and filter changed front and rear diffs. transfer case fluid plugs radiator flush new brake fluid new serpentine belt new Toyo's 275 70 x18 RT tires Billsteins all around truck was averaging 21 mpg 22 for a little while I love the 2.7 EcoBoost I thought about trading it for new ranger with a 2.7 but I don't like 4 door trucks.
I’m really enjoying your 1500 Series. Can you make a buyer’s guide that recommends your best and runner up choices for various applications?