I come to the church to receive Christ, if I wanted modern ways I would have stayed in the world and continued starving, thanks for posting this film, God bless and let us hold fast to the one true faith that was laid down by Christ and the Apostles and continue to resist the devilish innovations of the modernists who have infiltrated holy mother church and are intent on destroying her. They shall not prevail forever!
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
@@flashgordon6670 you're wicked seeks Salvation and Unity with God in the Eucharist a Sacrament that is a miracle. You want to make it a laughter and a joke. Repent ye bastard and wake up. The point of not understanding: by the time and practicing you'll understand.
You're a heretic who twists and torments the word of God. You're like a son of Satan, sowing doubt where there is clarity. Deceit where there is truth. Repent, before it is too late.@@flashgordon6670
Thanks for that comment, so I pass.Waist of time for me watching the errors of The infiltrated Holy Mother Church as I observe them on the daily basis we could say and only it's heart breaking. Thanks again.
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
One year ago I found SSPX. The graces I have received since leaving the Novus Ordo mass have been uncountable and life changing. Thank you Archbishop Lefebvre. I can never thank you and the SSPX enough for preserving the faith in its purity and the Latin mass. I had been searching for this faith amongst the carnage of Post Vatican 2 Catholicism these last 50 years. Praise be Jesus Christ that now I’m home.
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
@@flashgordon6670 Your statements, my friend, would let to tears any second-century Church Father (the ones who learned directly fom the Apostles themselves). Too much "begging the question" and "non sequiturs" solely founded on sentimental attachments to modernist premises, which you could never trace back to the legacy of the Mistical Body of Christ (including - again! - the Apostles and the Church Fathers), or even to the integrity of the Gospels. Do you think God was joking when He said "This IS my FLESH ... this IS TRULLY my blood"? Why do you think He did nothing to stop those who departed from Him when He announced that one should EAT His flesh? "Hey, bros, come back! It's a symbol!", whas it? By the way, which was the language they spoke in Temple? Whas it everyday language? Aramaic? Or Hebrew? Well, it was Hebrew, It is Hebrew even up to nowadays, between Jews who spoke another tongue outside. Do you know why? Are you really so presumptuous to think ours is the firts generation to "understand" the Mass for more than 1800 years? I bet our grandfathers understand it much more than us, even without a formal Latin schooling -- because a sacred language for an office directed to God performs a function you obviosly ignores. There were other places to learn and understand the words, and other, much richer ways to appreciate the Word Itself. My friend, Christ, while bodily present among us, expressly constituted for himself a Mystical Body, as naturally and personally human as he was, to continue acting in history in His name. A unique and historically explicit body. Among the orders He gave to this body were to reiterate the consecration of what He said was "TRULY HIS FLESH", in addition to forgiving sins, under penalty of sins being retained. My friend, it is better to humbly let go of the Christ of personal fantasies. The constant faith transmitted from generation to generation, with admirable solidity, has an objectivity in itself miraculous in these two thousand years - while what you say does not stand up for a minute.
The two most shocking parts are when the priest from Rome said that it wasn't required to believe in the miracle of transubstantiation. And when he was practicing yoga! My heart broke!
Later also the Tabernacles were moved to the side of the churches... What happened?... Now we all know well enough about the scandal in the Catholic Church worldwide, about the proposals to have married priests in Amazonia, women deacons, etc. And the faith in the Real Presence of Jesus is weakened or almost gone... When Our Lord comes again in Glory to judge the living and the dead, whill he find faith on earth?... Thanks for this great movie! Pray with the heart and keep your faith strong! God bless!
Great film. Our family goes to the Society of Saint Pius X founded in 1970 by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in order to combat the loss of faith after Vatican ll. Many of my family remember all of this happening. They started as normal parishioners in the local Catholic church and then ended up in a village hall, a stable, and peoples living rooms where mass was said by roving priests who were retired or young SSPX priests.
I have been to many Tridentine Masses when held in Hampton through knowing one extended family very well. They all lived through this period when estranged from Rome at one stage albeit briefly .
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
Thanks to God, we still have Traditional Latin Masses with the Tabernacle in the centre and the Priests facing the Tabernacle, it means having strong heartily, loving union with the Lord, every time living anew the Passion and the Resurrection of Jesus during the Holy Mass. THE MYSTERY OF FAITH! LAUDATUS SIA JESUS CHRISTUS! AMEN!
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
"A miracle is when God comes here, into this Church, among us.Prayer is the only miracle. If our words become prayer, God will come". Great performances!
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams
A fitting movie for understanding FrankenChurch: many in authority have NO faith, but they will not leave. No. The Church can be a comfortable haven for non-believing clerics. God save the Church.
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
No coincidence this was made not long after Vatican II. As an English Protestant I couldn't help admiring and sympathising with Archbishop Lefebvre. The C of E, having got rid of The King James Bible, has also long since replaced the Sacred with the Profane, Spritual Guidance with Social Engineering. Congregations dwindle, vicars prattle. I mourn the passing (in Europe) of the Christian era.
Andrew Howard except one was a Saint....and it took more than two hundred years for it to happen.....!....we know that Henry VIII, and Luther were not saints....but in the case of ABCP Lefebvre, the jury is still out....until such time as the gouvernons body is straiten out from above and a true Catholic Pope determines if the new Cannon law of the 1980 s was valid especially the understanding of the excommunication with regards to Bishops. Remember an immoral law is no law (St Augustin)....! Don’t forget that there is war on, now, where true faithfull Catholics are being rejected and persecuted especially priests and immoral, hereticaland apostized priests are being promoted. Everything hinges on the defense of eminent danger for ABP Lefebvre. God bless.
Dark night of the soul -- lack of feeling God's presence -- not unusual in Holy ones. It is the final step in sanctity, same as when Jesus on the cross asked why His Father had forsaken Him.
@@rokitman5753 Jesus was God,he was man.He suffered so horrendously,and took on all the sins ,the sins ,our sins,for all times.Yet he stayed and did what he cam e to do.He had to feel every experience everything,So no man could say God does not under stand,Or become desolate in suffering.We have a God who knows all these things,and knowing,His sacrifice,his suffering,sweating blood,his fears,the whole agony,We realise how much he loves us.It is to stay true until the end.Even if,we suffer that dark night.It is a horror beyond words,But we are not abandoned,though we feel as if it were so.We do what Jesus did or we do what Judah did. I LOVE Jesus.No one said life does not have suffering,we are told to pick up our cross,and carry it. Faith,Not in our own sense,or power,but in Gods.This was a really good movie.And Depicts so much that is real,true,Suffering is part of that.
The Abbot's case is not the dark night of the soul, but the dark night of atheism and he knows it. Yet he is prepared to remain a monk and an abbot, because his corrupted mind cynically substitutes religious vocation for a 'manager's' job. Nobody going through the real dark night of the soul would have thought about such twisted 'solution" to the problem of their spiritual agony. The abbot is not asking God, like Christ, why he is forsaken. He is rather content in having forsaken God and having lost his faith. He is also exercising the power of his office over his brothers - the power of which he indeed lost the grounds, having lost his faith. The abbot is most certainly not going through the way of uniting himslef with God but disconnecting himself from Him and he also knows it. His experience has got nothing to do with the experience of the mystics. Please, read St John of the Cross for better understanding of what the dark night of the soul is, or read St John with better understanding, otherwise you will not see the difference between the agnostic, atheist and the saint.
How can one be Catholic and not obey the pope? Might as be protestant. The VII council has its problems. Yes. But no matter the Church's problems, the gates of hell shall never prevail against it. Christ promised this. If you disagree with the Church then be a St. Francis, be a St. Benedict, and change the church from within. Do not be a Martin Luther.
@@johnvictorroderos8842 There is no schismatic spirit in those who hold fast to tradition (as Saint Paul says) and continue attending the Mass codified by Saint Pius V after the Council of Trent. The schism is in the Novus Ordo and all the new doctrine and morals in practice and thinking contrary to the Church teachings that came from it.
@@Niklaus777 Pretty much the road how Luther went into lol. Luther also questioned what was being held by the Church, he rebelled and left the Church. That’s what schism does. It creates further divisions and dissent. Saints like Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross were modela of obedience.
@@youtubeaccount1606 Pope Francis has made no Ex Cathedra statements. No one is forced to like a Pope or listen to 70's liberation theology indoctrination. We treat all this unpleasantness like the weather and carry on with the faith of Our Fathers. The Church has had every kind of Pope who has commited every kind if sin, and every kind of virtue. They are exemplars. An exemplar of what to do or what not to do. Nowhere in Scripture does to tell me to obey a mob/ focus group/synod of uncatechised laity, this too shall pass.
@@veronica_._._._ “the schism is in the novus ordo” how is that not rebellious at all? Imagine rejecting a unjversally promulgated mass is rejecting the Church herself
The traditional Latin Mass still goes on today. What a Hell the Abbot ended up living in, and at the end of the movie his face showed it as it he tried to pray.
@@youtubeaccount1606 You feel superior? Most people have lives where their automated habits live them. At the end of the film he "broke role" and sincerely prayed, he then became truly alive, by realising how much he didnt know, couldn't know, how much he had missed by being an administrator and a cerebral observer. Faith is experiential. Any comment about faith that has a baseless certitude without experience is irrelevant.
@@veronica_._._._ what are you even whining about lol? The comment was about the main character in the film. Nothing more and nothing less. Yet you could wind up with insinuations and skewed interpretation of my comment done in a single sentence. It was indeed excruciating to see a man who aged in the priesthood who did not even believe in a God anymore. It is also a reality the our priests could lose their faith along the way. Cope harder 🤭
@@veronica_._._._ i’ve replied this comment to earlier. So instead of running thy mouth first, try to read first If you see the lead monk that way then good. You may have some good points as I also have my opinions and take aways on the movie. The polemic and rabid way you reacted, I can sense you saw my comment as an attack to whatever value you hold dear. Can you confirm or deny this?
Well we are at the crossroads now because this is what they have in store for us but Jesus Christ 🙏 will only let it go so far as an Irish man from Belfast Ireland 🇮🇪 pray pray pray 🙏🏻 brothers and sisters amen
@@toffthe No.It is what was given by Jesus,and the apostles.Unchanging,because God does not change,nor the words of Jesus.But men,they change.Thee will always b a true Catholic church,intilmthe end.Maybe small simple ,But it will be true.
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
Topical film. Based on Brian Moore's novel. The lads on (it's in an era, "Vatican III" has concluded) the Kerry island are still saying the Latin Mass when Rome wants to quash these 'upstarts'. The priest is sent with orders from Rome.
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
As a Catholic I love going to the Mass (Novus) and go as often as I can. Recently I walked into a Church and I saw Everyone really dressed up (I mean Very Expensive Taste. Clothes you hardly ever see) and I assumed there was a Wedding. It turned out to be a tradition Mass! The Church was very big and you could hardly see the Priest, let alone hear what he's said. I didn't take none from it. If you ask me, I would tell you that I would take a normal Novus Order Mass anytime! But this is what I can NEVER UNDERSTAND! What CANT people UNDERSTAND, THAT CHRIST IS ON THE BEGGARS SIDE AND NOT ON THE RICH SIDE? Why do some PEOPLE want to Create an "Us and Them"? Verdict:: No wonder VAT 2 made the changes it made! God bless St Frances who taught a lesson to the then Pope about CHRISTIANITY and established The Franciscan Friars. Happy new year to all. God bless
At the end of this splendid film the old Abbot, with tear-filled eyes, questions if the prayers of humanity are really being heard. This film asks the soul-searching questions that confront each of us--Do we humans just talk to ourselves when we pray? Is God listening? Does God even exist? Do we need to have FAITH in order to live in this world without going mad? Are there really miracles? Do we humans need ritual like the Catholic Mass? Does ritual propel us into an altered state of consciousness that helps us connect with the spirit world? Let us face it, the Latin Mass might as well have been recited in Greek (that includes we altar boys). Should laypeople say their prayers in a language they understand? What about the crippled people who had journeyed to Lourdes seeking a miracle? The Abbot, played by Trevor Howard, thought the poor wretches had been duped into praying for a miraculous cure that would never come. Unquestioned tradition butts heads with the questioning mind of humanity. Trevor Howard and Martin Sheen give stellar performances in this excellent drama. This wonderful film ends with a prayer.
37And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined. 38Instead, new wine is poured into new wineskins. 39And no one after drinking old wine wants new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ” [Luke 5: 37-39]
29Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen. 30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, outcry and slander, along with every form of malice.[Ephesians 4: 29-31]
The look on the abbot's face as he faces his most terrifying lack of belief. So transferable: for young Catholics there often comes a time in college when the Existentialist literature appears and suddenly the notion of a meaningless universe rears its monstrous head, blocking out the sun of a beneficent God. Facing an all-consuming void of indifference -- a black hole of despair that shakes childhood's certain foundations.
Childhood certain foundations?? Oh yeah, you mean the superstitious terror imbued in Christian children about being punished and being sent to Hell. Terror that used to last for a lifetime, so the Church could control its followers and exploit them at pleasure. With the bonus of allowing the priests to satiate their animal pervy instincts with the followers´ children, with impunity. So much for "sacredness" of the old (and new) Sacred Mother Church.
I think at the end of this movie that Abbot saw a miracle of the Mass or/and maybe crucifiction of Jesus Christ.It looks like that he saw something supernatural.What any of you think about that ending scene?
It's a very disturbing Scene. Father Abbot tells Father Kinsella the real reason why he wants to be removed as Abbot and leave the Island. He knows that there is no GOD the Father and he stopped praying since many years. He sees his role as a manager and because he is in advanced age can't do anything else anymore. Father Kinsella tears up the cancelation later of Father Abbot regarding his Resignation. So Father Abbot Says He will obey which means He will Go on as before. When you Look closely in the final scene you will See Father Abbot stopping to pray the OUR FATHER at the end as he can't even say AMEN. There is a saying that a prayer is only valid when finished whith Amen. He is still stuck in a role He acatually doesn't want and he still has no Faith. He tells Father Kinsella before his leave that it's easy to tell others about the faith but He lost faith.
Its clearly a variety of SF film - There's been no 'Vatican IV', and domestic supersonic aircraft do not exist. The innovations to the sacraments of mass and confession also indicate this, as well as the replacement of the collar by turtlenecks by the clergy in Rome. The more interesting for that.
I think they showed it like that to show that he didnt believe in the real presence. I thought this movie had potential, then it turned into a bizarre and confusing load of garbage.
In Heart of Darkness version Apocalypse Now Martin Sheen sets off into the pagan jungle night of Vietnam to try and stop Kurtz - and here in 1973 he sets off to an Irish island, the heart of lightness, to bring modern darkness to a last flickering candle of light.
HISTORY :- Archbishop Lefebvre .... in 1970 he founded the Society of the SSPX of a small community of seminarians in a village in Switzerland with the permission of the local Bishop. In1975 he was ordered by Pope John Paul ll to disband the society, but chose to IGNORE the decision and continued to maintain its activities and existence. In 1988 against the expressed prohibition of Pope John ll he consecrated 4 Bishops to continue his work with the SSPX. The Holy See immediately declared that he and the other Bishops who had participated in the ceremony had incurred "automatic excommunicated " under the Catholic Canon Law, Lefebvre refused to acknowledge.
Prophetical! It accurately forsees the apostolic visitation ordered by pope Bergoglio to the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate some 40 years in advance.
Losing faith is a very hard thing to go through. I know, I lost my faith some years ago. It started with the Catholic church excommunicating my mother because we were too poor to pay for the annulment after a divorce. And more recently the evangelicals deciding to worship Trump instead of god. That was for me the final blow. Enjoy your faith if you still have it.
Sorry for you. But what you are saying is hard to believe. There is no such thing as an annulment after divorce, and surely, even if an annulment was due, the Church would not oblige you to pay for it.
@@daishoo I can't believe that you are seriously saying that the Catholic church does not charge for an annulment. Are you playing some kind of a word game? Are you suggesting that the church sends the money they takes from poor women in exchange for the annulment and sends that money right up to Jesus? So for that reason the church does not charge, Jesus does? Are you suggesting there is no such thing as an annulment because god did not say so? It always makes me sad to see "People of faith" make lite of the suffering of others caused by religion.
@@dalecs47 I had an annulment and I didn't have to pay a cent. I also did lose the faith and kept being an atheist for most of my life untill I realized that I had lost the faith because I had been poorly catechized as a boy and had been brainwashed by mostly antichristian school education and mainstream media.
Please don't confuse a church of men with the real Church of God. People always get it wrong. Jesus is where He always was. At the right hand of the Father. May God bless you and restore your faith
@@annetthallam7276 Thank you for the kind words. But I think it is more than a little too late for my faith to ever be restored. I suppose I could say that if your god wants me he knows where to find me.
20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one- 23I in them and You in Me-that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me. [John 17: 20-23]
@@aclark903 - well not in terms of the latin mass.... it has a slow and steady following and many folks really appreciate it. I barely remember it as a boy in the US...been gone a long time
El autor estaba viendo y viviendo ya los efectos del Concilio Vaticano II y más de cien años de infiltración del enemigo que ahora se enseñoreaba en los puestos más altos de la otrora depositaria de la fe y maestra de La Verdad. Ahora esos efectos están plenamente desplegados y su obra sobre las anteriormente católicas naciones está finalizando.
@@Niklaus777 Claro, eso es cierto. No entendí, fue la actitud del sacerdote visitador de Roma, por qué no cerrar la orden completa si eran todos tan reacios excepto el Superior a la visita de el y todo lo que el modernismo había traído.
The only ones who believes that are atheists and people with no knowledge of Christianity's history. The church has been through all kinds of bad times, and there were always judas among us
15just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd. [John 10: 15-16]
I know it is based on a novel, but the movies touches on religion that shows how when one does not know his identity in Christ, he or she will be be as shallow in faith as Sctipture declares. Identity is and only ever was, what Christ did for us. Not a system or vow to obey human establishments. It is overwhelming what Christ did. Read the scripture, trust the Holy Spirit and seek truth. Luther was just a man and of his time, but he saw the incretions in the Catholic church and knew it was futile to follow a hiarchy. No man can stop you from praying. Read church history with as little doctrine as you can. God Bless
Superb film, a masterpiece 14/10. Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time. Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages. Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland. The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe. As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present. There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them. The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle. The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ. The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood. These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives. The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves. So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan. So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon. They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do. It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did. These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so. We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves. There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God. The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit. God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles. The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever.”
…12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom. 13For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment. [James 2: 12-13]
52Then He told them, “For this reason, every scribe who has been discipled in the kingdom of heaven is like a homeowner who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.” [Matthew 13: 52]
“It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” [Matthew 9: 12[b]-13]
as a Catholic , I think Novus Ordo Mass greater for humanity than Tridentine so in Tridentine we wass listen mass in Latinese but now with Novus Ordo we can listen mass another Language
"17Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.” [Matthew 9: 17]
The ecumenical councils didnt promote public confessions en masse and neithet did they say that God didnt exist in the host. That is pure fiction. I think the point is to get nearer to the faithful parioshioners in their own language. We couldnt understand latin
you don't understand it these days, but when the latin mass was usurped by Vll, they understood the mass and what was happening. The real and true mass has been usurped by a weakened event. All by design by the anticrist. What do we have in the vernacular? Abuse. Prayers that are diminished in meaning. The original languages of Jesus have been replaced by ever changing secular languages where words take on new meanings as the languages progress. This is a sting to the original and deliberate intent of the unchanging mass, and why the dead languages of the past are needed, so the mass stays unchanged and unchangeable. Latin mass used worldwide makes the mass universal. Secular vernaculars are divisive.
22But Samuel declared: “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obedience to His voice? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams. 23For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance is like the wickedness of idolatry. [1 Samuel 15: 22-23]
@Joseph Walsh The Cathars were a minority too, but completely wiped of the earth by that church. Nowadays there are matters of birth control and abortion. I don't need a paw. They are everywhere. You probably still believe in the virginity of Mary...
25 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. [Natthew 12: 25]
Many religions have developed a sacred language for liturgical use. While Jesus may have spoken Aramaic , he prayed in Hebrew which was the liturgical language of the temple. The Greek and Russian Orthodox Liturgies use a sacred language and are not prayed in modern languages, but in Ancient Greek and old slavonic. Latin has been the liturgical language for the. Catholic Mass since the 6th century. Protestantism, which is considered a heretical sect by both Catholicism and orthodoxy, since the 16th century uses modern language for their services. While Catholicism introduce the vernacular in the 1960s, there is a growing movement, particularly among young Catholics, for the return of the ancient Latin liturgy in the Catholic Church today.
Darrin dlc In the Maronite section of the Catholic Church they say the Mass in Aramaic so the tradition was kept in one section of Christianity throughout the centuries.
@@sheilatuano9633 Based on the Gospels, it is implied that JC spoke 4 languages. Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, and Greek. But of course. ..God speaks ALL languages
1The troops took sheep and cattle from the plunder, the best of the things devoted to destruction, in order to sacrifice them to the LORD your God at Gilgal.” 22But Samuel declared: “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obedience to His voice? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams. 23For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance is like the wickedness of idolatry. [1 Samuel 15:1-23]
@@OndaBoosters the book 1984 is set in the past describing the future, it talks about AI, cameras everywhere etc. and it was seen as horrific ..... but now it is pretty much happening. This movie is the same, those terrible things proposed by the (futuristic) Vatican 4 are not so unbelievable as the modernisation is quickly moving that way.
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I come to the church to receive Christ, if I wanted modern ways I would have stayed in the world and continued starving, thanks for posting this film, God bless and let us hold fast to the one true faith that was laid down by Christ and the Apostles and continue to resist the devilish innovations of the modernists who have infiltrated holy mother church and are intent on destroying her. They shall not prevail forever!
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
@@flashgordon6670 you're wicked seeks Salvation and Unity with God in the Eucharist a Sacrament that is a miracle. You want to make it a laughter and a joke.
Repent ye bastard and wake up.
The point of not understanding: by the time and practicing you'll understand.
You're a heretic who twists and torments the word of God. You're like a son of Satan, sowing doubt where there is clarity. Deceit where there is truth. Repent, before it is too late.@@flashgordon6670
This movie is so under-rated. Made in 1972 it's describing the state of the Church today!
Thanks for that comment, so I pass.Waist of time for me watching the errors of The infiltrated Holy Mother Church as I observe them on the daily basis we could say and only it's heart breaking. Thanks again.
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
@@loldrom2357clergy and peadaphiles like a horse and carriage.
One year ago I found SSPX. The graces I have received since leaving the Novus Ordo mass have been uncountable and life changing. Thank you Archbishop Lefebvre. I can never thank you and the SSPX enough for preserving the faith in its purity and the Latin mass. I had been searching for this faith amongst the carnage of Post Vatican 2 Catholicism these last 50 years. Praise be Jesus Christ that now I’m home.
Same.
So a fan of Vichy France and Le Pen's National Front? Very Christian!
I never knew a youtube comment could bring me to tears. 50yrs searching. May God continue to bless you abundantly. Deo grátias
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
@@flashgordon6670 Your statements, my friend, would let to tears any second-century Church Father (the ones who learned directly fom the Apostles themselves). Too much "begging the question" and "non sequiturs" solely founded on sentimental attachments to modernist premises, which you could never trace back to the legacy of the Mistical Body of Christ (including - again! - the Apostles and the Church Fathers), or even to the integrity of the Gospels.
Do you think God was joking when He said "This IS my FLESH ... this IS TRULLY my blood"? Why do you think He did nothing to stop those who departed from Him when He announced that one should EAT His flesh? "Hey, bros, come back! It's a symbol!", whas it? By the way, which was the language they spoke in Temple? Whas it everyday language? Aramaic? Or Hebrew? Well, it was Hebrew, It is Hebrew even up to nowadays, between Jews who spoke another tongue outside. Do you know why? Are you really so presumptuous to think ours is the firts generation to "understand" the Mass for more than 1800 years? I bet our grandfathers understand it much more than us, even without a formal Latin schooling -- because a sacred language for an office directed to God performs a function you obviosly ignores. There were other places to learn and understand the words, and other, much richer ways to appreciate the Word Itself.
My friend, Christ, while bodily present among us, expressly constituted for himself a Mystical Body, as naturally and personally human as he was, to continue acting in history in His name. A unique and historically explicit body. Among the orders He gave to this body were to reiterate the consecration of what He said was "TRULY HIS FLESH", in addition to forgiving sins, under penalty of sins being retained.
My friend, it is better to humbly let go of the Christ of personal fantasies. The constant faith transmitted from generation to generation, with admirable solidity, has an objectivity in itself miraculous in these two thousand years - while what you say does not stand up for a minute.
I am old enough to remember when Ireland was a Catholic country.
Yep. Magdalene laundries and decades of covered-up child abuse.
Yes ! What went wrong ?
Strong Prayers for them.
Queen and Mother of the Last Times Snatch us out of the clutches of Evil 😈
The whole of Europe was a Catholic country until Martin Luther and King Henry 8th.
Television possessed the minds of the masses.
And thank goodness THAT ship has sailed!
The two most shocking parts are when the priest from Rome said that it wasn't required to believe in the miracle of transubstantiation. And when he was practicing yoga! My heart broke!
It's a movie. Not a documentary. Important difference there.
@@Tourist1967Oggi è molto vicino alla realtà.
Why? ❤❤
@@גקליןיפהLearn catholic faith for real which has been taught for many years before V2 and you will know. Study Church Fathers as well.
So, at the end the abbott and all the monks surrendered to the Novus Ordo
Later also the Tabernacles were moved to the side of the churches...
What happened?...
Now we all know well enough about the scandal in the Catholic Church worldwide, about the proposals to have married priests in Amazonia, women deacons, etc.
And the faith in the Real Presence of Jesus is weakened or almost gone...
When Our Lord comes again in Glory to judge the living and the dead, whill he find faith on earth?...
Thanks for this great movie!
Pray with the heart and keep your faith strong!
God bless!
Incredibly insightful movie; I lived through those times. Trevor Howard was amazing. Thank you for the upload!
Great film. Our family goes to the Society of Saint Pius X founded in 1970 by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in order to combat the loss of faith after Vatican ll. Many of my family remember all of this happening. They started as normal parishioners in the local Catholic church and then ended up in a village hall, a stable, and peoples living rooms where mass was said by roving priests who were retired or young SSPX priests.
I have been to many Tridentine Masses when held in Hampton through knowing one extended family very well. They all lived through this period when estranged from Rome at one stage albeit briefly .
Thank God for the SSPX
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
Thanks to God, we still have Traditional Latin Masses with the Tabernacle in the centre and the Priests facing the Tabernacle, it means having strong heartily, loving union with the Lord, every time living anew the Passion and the Resurrection of Jesus during the Holy Mass.
THE MYSTERY OF FAITH!
LAUDATUS SIA JESUS CHRISTUS!
AMEN!
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
WOW, what a movie, an eye opener reminding us how beautiful Latin mass is, wish we can go back to Latin mass, please pray for our church.
What a prophetic movie !
"A miracle is when God comes here, into this Church, among us.Prayer is the only miracle. If our words become prayer, God will come". Great performances!
i thot gawd was omnipresent
Amen
He said Belief is a miracle from God just before that.
He’s improvising.
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
That was well done. Thank you so much!
Love films like this! Thank you, RUclips!
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
I am dismayed by the novus orde missae; so much damage.
Many ex catholics here have funerals without church and sacraments
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
Martin Sheen really looked a lot like Emilio Estevez, as well as his acting. Only his hair was the only thing that Charlie Sheen got.
“Has it ever struck you that life is all memory, except for the one present moment that goes by you so quick you hardly catch it going?”― Tennessee Williams
How true !
Why do you post this same comment everywhere. And I mean, everywhere. I must see it at least once a day. Is he the only author you know?
The Future is History in the making.
A fitting movie for understanding FrankenChurch: many in authority have NO faith, but they will not leave. No. The Church can be a comfortable haven for non-believing clerics. God save the Church.
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
Trevor Howard is fantastic in this.
No coincidence this was made not long after Vatican II. As an English Protestant I couldn't help admiring and sympathising with Archbishop Lefebvre. The C of E, having got rid of The King James Bible, has also long since replaced the Sacred with the Profane, Spritual Guidance with Social Engineering. Congregations dwindle, vicars prattle. I mourn the passing (in Europe) of the Christian era.
Le Fefebvre is in communion with the Catholic church.
@@Kitiwake He was excommunicated and is dead.
Andrew Howard so was Ste Joan of Arc!
@@suzanneguiho4882 and Henry VIII (1538) and Luther(1521) and many others.
Andrew Howard except one was a Saint....and it took more than two hundred years for it to happen.....!....we know that Henry VIII, and Luther were not saints....but in the case of ABCP Lefebvre, the jury is still out....until such time as the gouvernons body is straiten out from above and a true Catholic Pope determines if the new Cannon law of the 1980 s was valid especially the understanding of the excommunication with regards to Bishops. Remember an immoral law is no law (St Augustin)....! Don’t forget that there is war on, now, where true faithfull Catholics are being rejected and persecuted especially priests and immoral, hereticaland apostized priests are being promoted. Everything hinges on the defense of eminent danger for ABP Lefebvre. God bless.
Dark night of the soul -- lack of feeling God's presence -- not unusual in Holy ones. It is the final step in sanctity, same as when Jesus on the cross asked why His Father had forsaken Him.
God did not forsake Jesus thats not what He said on the cross... do a Hebrew word search its not what He said
@@rokitman5753 Jesus was God,he was man.He suffered so horrendously,and took on all the sins ,the sins ,our sins,for all times.Yet he stayed and did what he cam e to do.He had to feel every experience everything,So no man could say God does not under stand,Or become desolate in suffering.We have a God who knows all these things,and knowing,His sacrifice,his suffering,sweating blood,his fears,the whole agony,We realise how much he loves us.It is to stay true until the end.Even if,we suffer that dark night.It is a horror beyond words,But we are not abandoned,though we feel as if it were so.We do what Jesus did or we do what Judah did. I LOVE Jesus.No one said life does not have suffering,we are told to pick up our cross,and carry it. Faith,Not in our own sense,or power,but in Gods.This was a really good movie.And Depicts so much that is real,true,Suffering is part of that.
Jesus was quoting the 22nd Psalm.
I know its mind boggling our Father literally sent himself to earth and secured the victory at the cross
The Abbot's case is not the dark night of the soul, but the dark night of atheism and he knows it. Yet he is prepared to remain a monk and an abbot, because his corrupted mind cynically substitutes religious vocation for a 'manager's' job. Nobody going through the real dark night of the soul would have thought about such twisted 'solution" to the problem of their spiritual agony. The abbot is not asking God, like Christ, why he is forsaken. He is rather content in having forsaken God and having lost his faith. He is also exercising the power of his office over his brothers - the power of which he indeed lost the grounds, having lost his faith.
The abbot is most certainly not going through the way of uniting himslef with God but disconnecting himself from Him and he also knows it. His experience has got nothing to do with the experience of the mystics. Please, read St John of the Cross for better understanding of what the dark night of the soul is, or read St John with better understanding, otherwise you will not see the difference between the agnostic, atheist and the saint.
I left the new mass and the Vatican II religion 35 years go. The issues in this movie are spot on.
How can one be Catholic and not obey the pope? Might as be protestant.
The VII council has its problems. Yes. But no matter the Church's problems, the gates of hell shall never prevail against it. Christ promised this. If you disagree with the Church then be a St. Francis, be a St. Benedict, and change the church from within. Do not be a Martin Luther.
@@johnvictorroderos8842 There is no schismatic spirit in those who hold fast to tradition (as Saint Paul says) and continue attending the Mass codified by Saint Pius V after the Council of Trent. The schism is in the Novus Ordo and all the new doctrine and morals in practice and thinking contrary to the Church teachings that came from it.
@@Niklaus777 Pretty much the road how Luther went into lol. Luther also questioned what was being held by the Church, he rebelled and left the Church.
That’s what schism does. It creates further divisions and dissent. Saints like Teresa of Avila and John of the Cross were modela of obedience.
@@youtubeaccount1606 Pope Francis has made no Ex Cathedra statements.
No one is forced to like a Pope or listen to 70's liberation theology indoctrination.
We treat all this unpleasantness like the weather and carry on with the faith of Our Fathers.
The Church has had every kind of Pope who has commited every kind if sin, and every kind of virtue.
They are exemplars.
An exemplar of what to do or what not to do.
Nowhere in Scripture does to tell me to obey a mob/ focus group/synod of uncatechised laity, this too shall pass.
@@veronica_._._._ “the schism is in the novus ordo” how is that not rebellious at all? Imagine rejecting a unjversally promulgated mass is rejecting the Church herself
The traditional Latin Mass still goes on today. What a Hell the Abbot ended up living in, and at the end of the movie his face showed it as it he tried to pray.
No
Imagine all those years praying and celebrating mass which he sees merely as futile effort
@@youtubeaccount1606 You feel superior? Most people have lives where their automated habits live them.
At the end of the film he "broke role" and sincerely prayed, he then became truly alive, by realising how much he didnt know, couldn't know, how much he had missed by being an administrator and a cerebral observer.
Faith is experiential. Any comment about faith that has a baseless certitude without experience is irrelevant.
@@veronica_._._._ what are you even whining about lol?
The comment was about the main character in the film. Nothing more and nothing less. Yet you could wind up with insinuations and skewed interpretation of my comment done in a single sentence.
It was indeed excruciating to see a man who aged in the priesthood who did not even believe in a God anymore. It is also a reality the our priests could lose their faith along the way.
Cope harder 🤭
@@veronica_._._._ i’ve replied this comment to earlier. So instead of running thy mouth first, try to read first
If you see the lead monk that way then good. You may have some good points as I also have my opinions and take aways on the movie.
The polemic and rabid way you reacted, I can sense you saw my comment as an attack to whatever value you hold dear. Can you confirm or deny this?
What a story!
Trevor Howard, superb!
Well we are at the crossroads now because this is what they have in store for us but Jesus Christ 🙏 will only let it go so far as an Irish man from Belfast Ireland 🇮🇪 pray pray pray 🙏🏻 brothers and sisters amen
I am a traditional staunch Catholic.I long for the hymns we sang as children. Sorry do not believe in echumanism. Keep Catholic traditions.
Catholic traditions = Kiddie fiddling and misogyny.
@@toffthe No.It is what was given by Jesus,and the apostles.Unchanging,because God does not change,nor the words of Jesus.But men,they change.Thee will always b a true Catholic church,intilmthe end.Maybe small simple ,But it will be true.
@@annoyingchannel8812 What a total wanker you are!!!
@@annoyingchannel8812 apart from the science and democracy bit , obvs.
@James Road you just don't understand the Catholic Sacrament of Confession clearly!
wow thanks for posting this
Bring back the communion rails
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
The movie it so knowlegeble thank you so much
I was abit disappointed that it didn't end like The Wicker Man.
Amazing performance by Trevor Howard.
Topical film. Based on Brian Moore's novel. The lads on (it's in an era, "Vatican III" has concluded) the Kerry island are still saying the Latin Mass when Rome wants to quash these 'upstarts'. The priest is sent with orders from Rome.
Wow Martin is so young and handsome 😃💜🇦🇺😘
Vatican 4?! Heaven save us from such a fate!
I never heard of V4, only V2.
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever”
Good movie worth watching
As a Roman Catholic, this tip of action is common among the men and women of the church. Doubting one's action(s) and faith. SAD!
The young Robert Gambon...Dumbledore himself....as Brother Kevin. His voice sure sounded different. Still powerful though.
... didn't have have a brother? Wasn't it Michael that was his name? I wonder whatever became of him?
As a Catholic I love going to the Mass (Novus) and go as often as I can. Recently I walked into a Church and I saw Everyone really dressed up (I mean Very Expensive Taste. Clothes you hardly ever see) and I assumed there was a Wedding. It turned out to be a tradition Mass! The Church was very big and you could hardly see the Priest, let alone hear what he's said. I didn't take none from it.
If you ask me, I would tell you that I would take a normal Novus Order Mass anytime!
But this is what I can NEVER UNDERSTAND! What CANT people UNDERSTAND, THAT CHRIST IS ON THE BEGGARS SIDE AND NOT ON THE RICH SIDE? Why do some PEOPLE want to Create an "Us and Them"?
Verdict:: No wonder VAT 2 made the changes it made! God bless St Frances who taught a lesson to the then Pope about CHRISTIANITY and established The Franciscan Friars.
Happy new year to all. God bless
Although this is fiction has some truth in whats going on in some catholic communities. Very forward thinking.
At the end of this splendid film the old Abbot, with tear-filled eyes, questions if the prayers of humanity are really being heard.
This film asks the soul-searching questions that confront each of us--Do we humans just talk to ourselves when we pray? Is God listening? Does God even exist? Do we need to have FAITH in order to live in this world without going mad? Are there really miracles?
Do we humans need ritual like the Catholic Mass? Does ritual propel us into an altered state of consciousness that helps us connect with the spirit world?
Let us face it, the Latin Mass might as well have been recited in Greek (that includes we altar boys). Should laypeople say their prayers in a language they understand?
What about the crippled people who had journeyed to Lourdes seeking a miracle? The Abbot, played by Trevor Howard, thought the poor wretches had been duped into praying for a miraculous cure that would never come.
Unquestioned tradition butts heads with the questioning mind of humanity. Trevor Howard and Martin Sheen give stellar performances in this excellent drama.
This wonderful film ends with a prayer.
Love this movie!
And I lo💛e you 2.
A movie with an unusual story...I like the controversial angle here with the church. Almost funny. Thanks for posting.
Great Film
Very true to the Book.
37And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined. 38Instead, new wine is poured into new wineskins. 39And no one after drinking old wine wants new, for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ” [Luke 5: 37-39]
How utterly toxic and awful.
It is better to obey God than man.
29Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building up the one in need and bringing grace to those who listen. 30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, outcry and slander, along with every form of malice.[Ephesians 4: 29-31]
The look on the abbot's face as he faces his most terrifying lack of belief. So transferable: for young Catholics there often comes a time in college when the Existentialist literature appears and suddenly the notion of a meaningless universe rears its monstrous head, blocking out the sun of a beneficent God. Facing an all-consuming void of indifference -- a black hole of despair that shakes childhood's certain foundations.
Childhood certain foundations?? Oh yeah, you mean the superstitious terror imbued in Christian children about being punished and being sent to Hell. Terror that used to last for a lifetime, so the Church could control its followers and exploit them at pleasure. With the bonus of allowing the priests to satiate their animal pervy instincts with the followers´ children, with impunity. So much for "sacredness" of the old (and new) Sacred Mother Church.
Vatican II never said the Mass is symbolic. That's not true.
Ex communication would be like a heart attack for them huh...😅😅
Father Superior was also in the Godfather 3 as the Pope who was poisoned.
He was also Charlton Heston's rival in EL CID!
I think at the end of this movie that Abbot saw a miracle of the Mass or/and maybe crucifiction of Jesus Christ.It looks like that he saw something supernatural.What any of you think about that ending scene?
It's a very disturbing Scene.
Father Abbot tells Father Kinsella the real reason why he wants to be removed as Abbot and leave the Island. He knows that there is no GOD the Father and he stopped praying since many years.
He sees his role as a manager and because he is in advanced age can't do anything else anymore.
Father Kinsella tears up the cancelation later of Father Abbot regarding his Resignation. So Father Abbot Says He will obey which means He will Go on as before.
When you Look closely in the final scene you will See Father Abbot stopping to pray the OUR FATHER at the end as he can't even say AMEN. There is a saying that a prayer is only valid when finished whith Amen.
He is still stuck in a role He acatually doesn't want and he still has no Faith.
He tells Father Kinsella before his leave that it's easy to tell others about the faith but He lost faith.
Deo gratias amen SSPX
Its clearly a variety of SF film - There's been no 'Vatican IV', and domestic supersonic aircraft do not exist. The innovations to the sacraments of mass and confession also indicate this, as well as the replacement of the collar by turtlenecks by the clergy in Rome. The more interesting for that.
57:30 ecumenism at his best... among many many other things , too many to be mentioned , 1054 the Great Schism .
At 56;51 the Father Superior does not genuflect.
I think nobody genuflected on entering the church.
that's because he's superior
@@kcajmortsnnew1488 He is not superior to our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament.
I think they showed it like that to show that he didnt believe in the real presence. I thought this movie had potential, then it turned into a bizarre and confusing load of garbage.
In Heart of Darkness version Apocalypse Now Martin Sheen sets off into the pagan jungle night of Vietnam to try and stop Kurtz - and here in 1973 he sets off to an Irish island, the heart of lightness, to bring modern darkness to a last flickering candle of light.
A clergy has sex with a 5yo boy is he a peado and homosexual.
An atheist clad in priest's vestments. Howard is wonderful.
HISTORY :-
Archbishop Lefebvre .... in 1970 he founded the Society of the SSPX of a small community of seminarians in a village in Switzerland with the permission of the local Bishop.
In1975 he was ordered by Pope John Paul ll to disband the society, but chose to IGNORE the decision and continued to maintain its activities and existence. In 1988 against the expressed prohibition of Pope John ll he consecrated 4 Bishops to continue his work with the SSPX.
The Holy See immediately declared that he and the other Bishops who had participated in the ceremony had incurred
"automatic excommunicated " under the Catholic Canon Law, Lefebvre refused to acknowledge.
The proper title for this movie should be ' The Disobedient Catholics' or ' The Bad Catholics"
Volume of audio is really low..
30He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters. [Matt 12: 30]
Brian Moore was a doubter. This film expresses his doubts.
But my question is that what at the end of the movie did brothers return to the new order of the mass because the movie didn't end well to me ooo
Prophetical! It accurately forsees the apostolic visitation ordered by pope Bergoglio to the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate some 40 years in advance.
I'm only replying because I can't like you twice.
Losing faith is a very hard thing to go through. I know, I lost my faith some years ago. It started with the Catholic church excommunicating my mother because we were too poor to pay for the annulment after a divorce. And more recently the evangelicals deciding to worship Trump instead of god. That was for me the final blow. Enjoy your faith if you still have it.
Sorry for you. But what you are saying is hard to believe. There is no such thing as an annulment after divorce, and surely, even if an annulment was due, the Church would not oblige you to pay for it.
@@daishoo I can't believe that you are seriously saying that the Catholic church does not charge for an annulment. Are you playing some kind of a word game? Are you suggesting that the church sends the money they takes from poor women in exchange for the annulment and sends that money right up to Jesus? So for that reason the church does not charge, Jesus does? Are you suggesting there is no such thing as an annulment because god did not say so? It always makes me sad to see "People of faith" make lite of the suffering of others caused by religion.
@@dalecs47 I had an annulment and I didn't have to pay a cent.
I also did lose the faith and kept being an atheist for most of my life untill I realized that I had lost the faith because I had been poorly catechized as a boy and had been brainwashed by mostly antichristian school education and mainstream media.
Please don't confuse a church of men with the real Church of God. People always get it wrong. Jesus is where He always was. At the right hand of the Father. May God bless you and restore your faith
@@annetthallam7276 Thank you for the kind words. But I think it is more than a little too late for my faith to ever be restored. I suppose I could say that if your god wants me he knows where to find me.
It is mentioned that Lourdes was closed down? Is that true? Obviously not the case today?
Definitely not closed down, its alive and kicking thank God!
20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one- 23I in them and You in Me-that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.
[John 17: 20-23]
very disturbing film in some ways...typical of Martin Sheen.
Prophetic, it seems.
@@aclark903 - well not in terms of the latin mass.... it has a slow and steady following and many folks really appreciate it.
I barely remember it as a boy in the US...been gone a long time
@Deus Vult - a good sign...
I didn’t quite understand...
Un retrato de los efectos de la modernidad en las entrañas de la jerarquía eclesiástica y la resistencia de la Iglesia que conserva la fe íntegra.
El autor estaba viendo y viviendo ya los efectos del Concilio Vaticano II y más de cien años de infiltración del enemigo que ahora se enseñoreaba en los puestos más altos de la otrora depositaria de la fe y maestra de La Verdad. Ahora esos efectos están plenamente desplegados y su obra sobre las anteriormente católicas naciones está finalizando.
@@Niklaus777 Claro, eso es cierto. No entendí, fue la actitud del sacerdote visitador de Roma, por qué no cerrar la orden completa si eran todos tan reacios excepto el Superior a la visita de el y todo lo que el modernismo había traído.
Porque es mejor ahogar de un abrazo ecuménico.
there's a portuguese version of this ?, please, i need it.
There are captions in Portuguese if you tap the tool symbol to the right of the cc symbol.
Protestants are so transfarent here hahaha
I need help with my question
Beginning of the end for the Catholic Church
The only ones who believes that are atheists and people with no knowledge of Christianity's history. The church has been through all kinds of bad times, and there were always judas among us
You mean the true church, which has no end.
15just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd. [John 10: 15-16]
History with a forsaken future of God's word in God's world. God be praised.
I know it is based on a novel, but the movies touches on religion that shows how when one does not know his identity in Christ, he or she will be be as shallow in faith as Sctipture declares. Identity is and only ever was, what Christ did for us. Not a system or vow to obey human establishments. It is overwhelming what Christ did. Read the scripture, trust the Holy Spirit and seek truth. Luther was just a man and of his time, but he saw the incretions in the Catholic church and knew it was futile to follow a hiarchy. No man can stop you from praying. Read church history with as little doctrine as you can. God Bless
57:22 ecumenism at his best , among many many other things , 1054 the great schism , we have been conditioned with movies and slogans for years .
The most accurate and true description of the RC church is found in Revelation 17.
Yeah... But your own interpretation.... Yawn
Luther?
Sheen could have been a great actor but chose proggresssive liberalism instead
nonsense! Another conservative loser
Superb film, a masterpiece 14/10.
Jesus didn’t speak Latin, he spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. The New Testament, was originally written in Greek. So that it could be exported to and understood, by as many people as possible, of the world at that time.
Therefore, if the monks wanted to say the mass in its original language, for it to be authentic,m. They should’ve been saying it in all three of its original languages.
Unfortunately, that would mean very few people, would be able to understand it in Ireland.
The mass is meant to be understood, by the congregation who are present, wherever that maybe.
As directed in the Bible, Sermons and the mass, are to be translated into all the languages that the congregation need. For it it be understood, by everyone who’s present.
There’s no ban against the use of any language whatsoever. So Latin maybe used, if that’s a practical necessity, as with any other languages. No particular language supersedes, or has precedence over any other, as long as the congregation understand it/them.
The Bread and the wine as directed by Jesus, in his Bible. Is an act of commemoration and not specifically indicated or referred to as a miracle.
The act of taking the Bread and Wine into one’s body. Signifies taking the Word of God into one’s Soul, Mind and Heart. That which was embodied and manifested, with the life and body of Christ.
The Bread is the body/Word. The Wine is the Lifeblood.
These are symbolic emblems that guide, focus and direct our Lives.
The effect that they have upon us is Miraculous, for they change us. From seeking after, the World’s pursuits of pleasure and Self Service. To pursuing God’s Kingdom, everlasting life through Jesus Christ and becoming reliant upon God, instead of our foolish selves.
So we become the Servants of God and slaves to God’s will; and not servants of self gratification, the slaves of Satan.
So the Bread and Wine are Miraculous in the effects they have on people’s lives. But miracles themselves, until they’re consumed and acted upon.
They’re not literal pieces of Christ’s Flesh and Blood. They’re emblems that carry the miracles, into transforming our Flesh and Blood, into that of Christ’s. So that we act as Christ would do.
It’s not impossible, for people to act as Christ would do, without these emblems. If they study God’s Word in the Bible; that is the Bread and Flesh of Christ. And act upon it; that is the Wine and Life of Christ. Emulating and living as Christ did.
These are very fine hairs to cut and the Devil’s in these minutiae details. No one Church or sect, has everything figured out 100%. We mustn’t be Judgmental and over critical, of those who do things differently to ourselves. So long as they do them, with the same conviction of Faith as we do so.
We must be humble and open to the possibility that we maybe deceived, or mistaken ourselves.
There’s probably hundreds of doctrines that people find to divide our worship and Divisiveness is a work of the Flesh. For people seek to glorify and honour themselves by doing so, instead of giving the due Glory and Honour that belongs to God.
The minutiae of the transubstantiation of the Bread and the Wine, is between things that are derived of God’s Spirit and the things that are derived of the Holy Spirit.
God’s Spirit being the personal presence of the Father and the Holy Spirit being a Sacred Power that’s used for specific purposes. I.e. Miracles.
The monks left off the last part of the Lord’s Prayer. “For Thine is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory forever.”
…12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom. 13For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment. [James 2: 12-13]
52Then He told them, “For this reason, every scribe who has been discipled in the kingdom of heaven is like a homeowner who brings out of his storeroom new treasures as well as old.” [Matthew 13: 52]
“It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” [Matthew 9: 12[b]-13]
as a Catholic , I think Novus Ordo Mass greater for humanity than Tridentine so in Tridentine we wass listen mass in Latinese but now with Novus Ordo we can listen mass another Language
What a stupid idea....
I prefered movie spotlight..
Lol where did the black lady come from.
County Donegal or Sligo somewhere like that I imagine.
"17Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.” [Matthew 9: 17]
The ecumenical councils didnt promote public confessions en masse and neithet did they say that God didnt exist in the host. That is pure fiction. I think the point is to get nearer to the faithful parioshioners in their own language. We couldnt understand latin
Try to learn it. Magnificent language ;)
you don't understand it these days, but when the latin mass was usurped by Vll, they understood the mass and what was happening. The real and true mass has been usurped by a weakened event. All by design by the anticrist. What do we have in the vernacular? Abuse. Prayers that are diminished in meaning. The original languages of Jesus have been replaced by ever changing secular languages where words take on new meanings as the languages progress. This is a sting to the original and deliberate intent of the unchanging mass, and why the dead languages of the past are needed, so the mass stays unchanged and unchangeable. Latin mass used worldwide makes the mass universal. Secular vernaculars are divisive.
Apocalypse Ah Come On, Now
We are in. The mark of the beast is there. What else ?
Hahaha
The only truthful prayer... "Oh, God... if there is a God... forgive my sins... if I've got any.!
If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves...
I John 1:8
22But Samuel declared: “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obedience to His voice? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams. 23For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance is like the wickedness of idolatry. [1 Samuel 15: 22-23]
Don't forget the mystery of all the abused children....
@Joseph Walsh The Cathars were a minority too, but completely wiped of the earth by that church. Nowadays there are matters of birth control and abortion. I don't need a paw. They are everywhere. You probably still believe in the virginity of Mary...
No mystery sex starved clergy bros.
BOLLOX...GREETINGS FROM DUBLIN IRELAND...
What about them?
Greetings from Waterford, Ireland.
25 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. [Natthew 12: 25]
as Christ spoke Aramaic should the Mass not be said in it?
Many religions have developed a sacred language for liturgical use. While Jesus may have spoken Aramaic , he prayed in Hebrew which was the liturgical language of the temple. The Greek and Russian Orthodox Liturgies use a sacred language and are not prayed in modern languages, but in Ancient Greek and old slavonic. Latin has been the liturgical language for the. Catholic Mass since the 6th century. Protestantism, which is considered a heretical sect by both Catholicism and orthodoxy, since the 16th century uses modern language for their services. While Catholicism introduce the vernacular in the 1960s, there is a growing movement, particularly among young Catholics, for the return of the ancient Latin liturgy in the Catholic Church today.
Christ may also knows other languages other than Aramaic or Hebrew. Latin is spoken by the Romans, and so he also knows how to converse in Latin.
Darrin dlc
In the Maronite section of the Catholic Church they say the Mass in Aramaic so the tradition was kept in one section of Christianity throughout the centuries.
@@sheilatuano9633 Based on the Gospels, it is implied that JC spoke 4 languages. Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin, and Greek. But of course. ..God speaks ALL languages
1The troops took sheep and cattle from the plunder, the best of the things devoted to destruction, in order to sacrifice them to the LORD your God at Gilgal.” 22But Samuel declared: “Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obedience to His voice? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, and attentiveness is better than the fat of rams. 23For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance is like the wickedness of idolatry. [1 Samuel 15:1-23]
EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS !
Ah - the Council of Florence: 1442.
Frightening movie, it should be called 1984 like the book, but 2021.... as it's happening much like that now, or so it begins anyway...
How do you mean?
@@OndaBoosters the book 1984 is set in the past describing the future, it talks about AI, cameras everywhere etc. and it was seen as horrific ..... but now it is pretty much happening. This movie is the same, those terrible things proposed by the (futuristic) Vatican 4 are not so unbelievable as the modernisation is quickly moving that way.
@@heidiw2458 I'm guessing English isn't your first language.