I'm getting the feeling that this is the future of Open Fortress, TF2:C, etc. Get ported back in to base TF2 via VScript; for better (eg accessibility) or worse (eg limitations).
@@PetroklosZDM i doubt it would work with tf2c, the limitations are just too big really, i mean parallax corrected cubemaps dont even exist in live tf2, the limitations just feel too big , and what for? just a few more players for like a week cuz people will come back to skial, there's just lot's of small stuff that wouldnt work in tf2
Don't listen to the haters, yo. This is a real novel project. I definitely want to see TF2's vscript expand in functionality, and Valve at least tries to listen to the needs of passionate developers. What's already here is interesting, even if bizarrely different from TF2's base gameplay.
@@SkinnyScoutsillies Bro who cares? If you don't like it don't queue for it. This game is 17 years old. I think maybe, just maybe that might be enough time with Vanilla TF2 to warrant some deviation from the formula. Stop listening to weird negative content creators who have nothing better to do than hate on the awesome people still miraculously churning out custom content for this absolutely ancient game, or we won't have *any* new things. They'll all get discouraged from the hivemind of impressionable TF2uber worshipers crapping on their daring to shake up the formula a bit (God forbid). And with what would be a totally optional game mode. This take is so weird to me. I've never seen a more useless, unproductive hill to die on.
People, just cuz its on the workshop dosent mean there is a 100% chance that valve adds this, community servers hosting this could be cool, and it sure it will be better than just server plugins, i personally think it dosent need to be added, but its not bad, community servers still can host it, and it will be better than server side plugins
I have good news for you! Although it's not a TF2C collab, but an original thing: boosty.to/lizardofoz/posts/51aa2b09-10b4-4646-b829-11dfead32f90?share=post_link
I know how much work goes into making a gamemode like this, it requires a lot of dedication and everything, but this ain't TF2 anymore. Don't get me wrong, it's a cool concept to take the mechanics and gameplay from Open Fortress and bring them to TF2, but it wouldn't work as an official game mode. It takes away most of the aspects that make Team Fortress 2 what it is. If I want to play OF's deathmatch mode, I'll launch OF and play. I'm not saying that the idea would NEVER work in TF2, it might even be fun to play something different from vanilla TF2 sometimes via community servers like deathrun mode, prop hunt and surf, but in casual mode? No thanks/not interested.
It's a well known fact in gamedev that the more steps something takes to reach (or if it's obscure), the more users will be lost along the way, and not because the destination is bad, but because the journey is.
@@LizardOfOz I agree that the simpler something is, the more people will be willing to try it out But that doesn't mean that Open Fortress should be integrated in TF2, it means that Open Fortress needs to be more widespread so that more people see it through word of mouth and content created around the game, be it gameplay videos, reviews, animations, fanarts, etc. That way, with the game having a community around it, there's also more support for it to be more accessible over time. OF already has a dedicated website with links to download it in a few clicks, as well as a Discord server, social media accounts and an official RUclips channel. In other words, the process of getting playing the game is already very simple, it just needs more people to discover it. And I don't think that a game mode based on OF for TF2 is going to help OF grow. Quite the opposite, in my opinion. I know that the ideal thing for OF would be for it to be officially added to Steam's store page, but until that happens, we should just keep playing and sharing this game with as many people as possible. OF itself already markets itself as a fun experience for TF2 players who are looking for something familiar but different, based on the TF2 universe. Just play Open Fortress. You need to understand that those who play TF2 are there for Team Fortress 2, not for copies of other games forcibly inserted into it. TF2 is not a sandbox, a "metaverse" or a platform like Garry's Mod where you can play anything, TF2 is a game with a specific proposal, with specific characters, with a specific setting and with a specific gameplay phylosophy. Take those elements away, and it's no longer TF2. Again, this doesn't mean that Workshop creators can't experiment with new game modes and general content for Team Fortress 2 using vscript, but they also need to be aware of which game they are making content for. They need to respect the fundamental basis that was structured for it from the start. Two teams. Nine classes. Gun play. Anything that doesn't fit these basic requirements doesn't belong in the vanilla game, but it can still exist as an alternative mode accessible through community servers, without the need for official endorsement from Valve. There, there is greater freedom for all kinds of crazy things to exist without interfering with the general premise of TF2.
A co-op PvE shooter was "forcibly inserted" into TF2 a decade ago, but nobody complains that it was added. If anything, people want more of it. If PvP can be discarded, so can be teams or classes. If anything, Valve did a lot of experiments with halloween gimmicks, pass time (even if outsources), mannpower, etc. Valve simply stopped working on the game before a gamemode without teams or classes could happen.
I was considering making it TDM, or alternatively, FFA with classes, but I felt like _that_ was trying to bend the best the gamemode can be into a compromised experience just to tick what's ultimately a meaningless checkbox. What truly matters is if the end result is fun.
@@LizardOfOz First of all, no. Just because the PVP element isn't present in Mann Vs. Machine doesn't mean the other essential elements of TF2 have been or should be disregarded. That's not how things work. Second, the argument about Valve itself experimenting with alternative game modes in the past lacks coherence. Yes, it's fact that MVM, pass time, mannpower, and halloween are different from the casual experience of TF2, but check it out: MVM - a mode that's completely separate from the casual, paid mode, but still keeps the OTHER aspects of TF2's gameplay intact while adding on top of it. The classes and roles of each class remain, as well as the (now asymmetrical) team system. Halloween mode - as you said, a gimmick. It's a SPECIAL occasion. A game mode that does not interfere with the casual experience of the game and is only active on a few days of the year. It's a celebration. And again, it keeps the game's core systems intact. Nine classes. Two teams. Gun play. And look, one more example that proves what I'm talking about: Mannpower and Pass Time. these gamemodes are the least played modes in the entire game. They're almost always abandoned, it is very difficult to find matches on the official servers, and when people stop to play them, the matches last about half an hour on average. Why? Because these modes only work as "novelties", brief experiences that players briefly seek out but soon return to the vanilla game, because they are too DIFFERENT from the experience they are there to have. They want Team Fortress 2. And yet, these two game modes maintain the base: two teams, nine classes, gun play. Get it now? That's why I used the term "forcibly." There's no point in implementing a game mode as exotic as prop hunt, open fortress deathmatch, or passtime in this game officially if it doesn't make sense with the PREMISE of >Team Fortress 2
Why people are so much against it? I mean i know that tf2 has more important problems such as the bot crisis but i think it would be a great addition inorder to revive tf2 if valve even cares about tf2. People are overreacting just because some dude wearing purple falsely said tf2 had a team deathmatch mode years ago.
I've always felt Open Fortress would work better as it's own game on steam rather than as a game mode for TF2. It's a fast paced arena shooter with the same style as TF2, not a slight alteration of TF2.
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@@thefunnymushroomman @toastymann5865 the issue is not that people are complaining a lack or content or too much content, heck if we're talking strictly about maps i think we're pretty well-off, the issue is that the content we're getting isn't TF2 anymore, it's turning it into an other game that others aren't interested in, you're better off playing Open Fortress than this mismatch in TF2, i'm sorry but people play TF2 to play TF2 which is an objective based class shooter,. I love deathmatch and Open Fortress personally but they really don't belong into the game. What people want is the game to be fixed (cheaters and bots) and a balance patch, that's literally it.
I mean... I'd rather just keep this as a gamemode community servers run than see it officially put into the game. Something being cool doesn't mean it should automatically be in the game.
It's not that it's lame, but if it were to be added to TF2 it would end up like VSH - filled with bugs, poor maintanance and ultimetly sidelined because people will eventually go back to their usual matches It'a really cool that these things are made, but putting community servers' gamemodes into the base game has been proven to not work nearly as well as some may think
Dont have to come out this summer, maybe some extra time can help make it more refined. Vscript gamemodes that get pumped out kinda suck a lot, like zombies.
Wouldn’t it have been better if it was a “Team Deathmatch”, than just a Deathmatch itself? Because at least that’s how it would maintain the essence of the base game.... With of course having to get 100 points like "Player Destruction" ... However, PD is also a mixture of Deathmatch with a clearer objective, so idk What do to think?
The general consensus is that PD is the definitive version of DM with teams and classes. However, the initial premise of the project was FFA DM, and I felt like having either teams or classes would hold it back. The existence of Open Fortress only strengthened that feel to me.
Very pog indeed Also this could work like the team fortress classic menu where you can directly open other "quake like" games, but idk it ruins the game or smt so too bad
While i'm not viciously against these gamemodes like some people are, it bothers me that, unlike in gun game, this doesn't even use tf2's weapons. This is just open fortress exactly. Pretty lame.
There's a few weapon stat changes I still need to port over, bhop is a bit different, but weapon slots work like in an arena shooter. 6 slots, with 2 or 3 weapons per slot.
@@LizardOfOz I think i was told that wasn't possible with vscript So is it possible to have say a soldier with a rocket launcher and flamethrower and a minigun?
Is it possible to have more than 2 teams aswell? Like having 10 teams with 3 on each team? Because then you would be able to have battle royale mode with teams of 3 or 4
A battle royale is possible, someone already made a vscript battle royale, but since it was for community servers they didn't bother to solve the jank. What is hard is making more than 2 teams without the visible jank.
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I noticed the Merc had hats.....That's so cool!
Wow, thank you for continuing to produce different mods for Team Fortress 2.
Say what you will, if Valve lashes out at mods again, this should preserve OpenFortress for posterity, in a way.
agreed
I'm getting the feeling that this is the future of Open Fortress, TF2:C, etc. Get ported back in to base TF2 via VScript; for better (eg accessibility) or worse (eg limitations).
@@PetroklosZDM i doubt it would work with tf2c, the limitations are just too big really, i mean parallax corrected cubemaps dont even exist in live tf2, the limitations just feel too big , and what for? just a few more players for like a week cuz people will come back to skial, there's just lot's of small stuff that wouldnt work in tf2
LET'S DO THIS
holy fucking shit
Now this, this is dope
this is really impressive
this trailer is way better than the last one imo
good stuff guys
If TFC could do Deathmach, why TF2 wont? we need this in the game.
Awesome
Beautiful!
YEAH BABY
Looks interesting!
Don't listen to the haters, yo. This is a real novel project. I definitely want to see TF2's vscript expand in functionality, and Valve at least tries to listen to the needs of passionate developers. What's already here is interesting, even if bizarrely different from TF2's base gameplay.
Tf2 players be getting cool shit like this and hating it for no reason
its called *TEAM* fortress for a reason, i played tf2 for 2 TEAMS FIGHTING eachother
though this gamemode is cool for community servers, NOT casual.
@@SkinnyScoutsillies but the thing is, IT DOESNT HAVE TO BE FOR CASUAL. AND IT WONT
@@normalperson691 it was posted to the workshop, if the creator intended it to be for community, it would be on gamebanana
@@SkinnyScoutsillieswho gives af quit bitching
@@SkinnyScoutsillies Bro who cares? If you don't like it don't queue for it. This game is 17 years old. I think maybe, just maybe that might be enough time with Vanilla TF2 to warrant some deviation from the formula. Stop listening to weird negative content creators who have nothing better to do than hate on the awesome people still miraculously churning out custom content for this absolutely ancient game, or we won't have *any* new things. They'll all get discouraged from the hivemind of impressionable TF2uber worshipers crapping on their daring to shake up the formula a bit (God forbid). And with what would be a totally optional game mode. This take is so weird to me. I've never seen a more useless, unproductive hill to die on.
PILLS HELL YEAH!
People, just cuz its on the workshop dosent mean there is a 100% chance that valve adds this, community servers hosting this could be cool, and it sure it will be better than just server plugins, i personally think it dosent need to be added, but its not bad, community servers still can host it, and it will be better than server side plugins
Lizard If you are reading this, can the next V-script game mode be V.I.P? maybe it could be a collab with TF2C?
I have good news for you! Although it's not a TF2C collab, but an original thing:
boosty.to/lizardofoz/posts/51aa2b09-10b4-4646-b829-11dfead32f90?share=post_link
@@LizardOfOz UNIQUE CIVILIAINS!?
@@LizardOfOz Holy shit the rivals of DR. Enforcicle and Tommy Gruvich.
YES PLEASE, I NEED IT
Yes! I want this official in tf2 !!!
cool when are you gonna update vsh to make it good
This summer hopefully. I have a bunch of changes in the oven.
@@LizardOfOz vshsisters... we are so back
@@LizardOfOzNow this is awesome
he seems very op
I'd rather have people actually play on the mod itself but sure go off
so would i but the playerbase is so miniscule
i hope this brings attention to OF
@@qualityarsenic3922 there's talks ongoing to get it on steam officially, aren't there? a f2p shooter on steam is bound to get attention
I know how much work goes into making a gamemode like this, it requires a lot of dedication and everything, but this ain't TF2 anymore. Don't get me wrong, it's a cool concept to take the mechanics and gameplay from Open Fortress and bring them to TF2, but it wouldn't work as an official game mode. It takes away most of the aspects that make Team Fortress 2 what it is. If I want to play OF's deathmatch mode, I'll launch OF and play.
I'm not saying that the idea would NEVER work in TF2, it might even be fun to play something different from vanilla TF2 sometimes via community servers like deathrun mode, prop hunt and surf, but in casual mode? No thanks/not interested.
It's a well known fact in gamedev that the more steps something takes to reach (or if it's obscure), the more users will be lost along the way, and not because the destination is bad, but because the journey is.
@@LizardOfOz
I agree that the simpler something is, the more people will be willing to try it out
But that doesn't mean that Open Fortress should be integrated in TF2, it means that Open Fortress needs to be more widespread so that more people see it through word of mouth and content created around the game, be it gameplay videos, reviews, animations, fanarts, etc.
That way, with the game having a community around it, there's also more support for it to be more accessible over time. OF already has a dedicated website with links to download it in a few clicks, as well as a Discord server, social media accounts and an official RUclips channel. In other words, the process of getting playing the game is already very simple, it just needs more people to discover it. And I don't think that a game mode based on OF for TF2 is going to help OF grow. Quite the opposite, in my opinion.
I know that the ideal thing for OF would be for it to be officially added to Steam's store page, but until that happens, we should just keep playing and sharing this game with as many people as possible. OF itself already markets itself as a fun experience for TF2 players who are looking for something familiar but different, based on the TF2 universe. Just play Open Fortress.
You need to understand that those who play TF2 are there for Team Fortress 2, not for copies of other games forcibly inserted into it. TF2 is not a sandbox, a "metaverse" or a platform like Garry's Mod where you can play anything, TF2 is a game with a specific proposal, with specific characters, with a specific setting and with a specific gameplay phylosophy. Take those elements away, and it's no longer TF2.
Again, this doesn't mean that Workshop creators can't experiment with new game modes and general content for Team Fortress 2 using vscript, but they also need to be aware of which game they are making content for. They need to respect the fundamental basis that was structured for it from the start. Two teams. Nine classes. Gun play. Anything that doesn't fit these basic requirements doesn't belong in the vanilla game, but it can still exist as an alternative mode accessible through community servers, without the need for official endorsement from Valve. There, there is greater freedom for all kinds of crazy things to exist without interfering with the general premise of TF2.
A co-op PvE shooter was "forcibly inserted" into TF2 a decade ago, but nobody complains that it was added. If anything, people want more of it.
If PvP can be discarded, so can be teams or classes. If anything, Valve did a lot of experiments with halloween gimmicks, pass time (even if outsources), mannpower, etc. Valve simply stopped working on the game before a gamemode without teams or classes could happen.
I was considering making it TDM, or alternatively, FFA with classes, but I felt like _that_ was trying to bend the best the gamemode can be into a compromised experience just to tick what's ultimately a meaningless checkbox. What truly matters is if the end result is fun.
@@LizardOfOz
First of all, no. Just because the PVP element isn't present in Mann Vs. Machine doesn't mean the other essential elements of TF2 have been or should be disregarded. That's not how things work.
Second, the argument about Valve itself experimenting with alternative game modes in the past lacks coherence. Yes, it's fact that MVM, pass time, mannpower, and halloween are different from the casual experience of TF2, but check it out:
MVM - a mode that's completely separate from the casual, paid mode, but still keeps the OTHER aspects of TF2's gameplay intact while adding on top of it. The classes and roles of each class remain, as well as the (now asymmetrical) team system.
Halloween mode - as you said, a gimmick. It's a SPECIAL occasion. A game mode that does not interfere with the casual experience of the game and is only active on a few days of the year. It's a celebration. And again, it keeps the game's core systems intact. Nine classes. Two teams. Gun play.
And look, one more example that proves what I'm talking about: Mannpower and Pass Time. these gamemodes are the least played modes in the entire game. They're almost always abandoned, it is very difficult to find matches on the official servers, and when people stop to play them, the matches last about half an hour on average. Why? Because these modes only work as "novelties", brief experiences that players briefly seek out but soon return to the vanilla game, because they are too DIFFERENT from the experience they are there to have. They want Team Fortress 2. And yet, these two game modes maintain the base: two teams, nine classes, gun play. Get it now?
That's why I used the term "forcibly." There's no point in implementing a game mode as exotic as prop hunt, open fortress deathmatch, or passtime in this game officially if it doesn't make sense with the PREMISE of >Team Fortress 2
OMG
i like this, not for casual but for a quick introduction to open fortress, so more people would download it 🤔 (I cannot make sentences)
An Arcade section would definitely be nice.
Why people are so much against it? I mean i know that tf2 has more important problems such as the bot crisis but i think it would be a great addition inorder to revive tf2 if valve even cares about tf2. People are overreacting just because some dude wearing purple falsely said tf2 had a team deathmatch mode years ago.
I've always felt Open Fortress would work better as it's own game on steam rather than as a game mode for TF2. It's a fast paced arena shooter with the same style as TF2, not a slight alteration of TF2.
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& to think that this is in TF2...
TF2 fans will see the coolest shit ever and say "Actually this is really lame and ruins the spirit of the game"
Fr tho, they beg for new content but then aren't pleased when they get it
@@thefunnymushroomman @toastymann5865 the issue is not that people are complaining a lack or content or too much content, heck if we're talking strictly about maps i think we're pretty well-off, the issue is that the content we're getting isn't TF2 anymore, it's turning it into an other game that others aren't interested in, you're better off playing Open Fortress than this mismatch in TF2, i'm sorry but people play TF2 to play TF2 which is an objective based class shooter,. I love deathmatch and Open Fortress personally but they really don't belong into the game. What people want is the game to be fixed (cheaters and bots) and a balance patch, that's literally it.
I mean... I'd rather just keep this as a gamemode community servers run than see it officially put into the game. Something being cool doesn't mean it should automatically be in the game.
@@baguettetheweirdguy2529 You have a lot of good points, I agree
It's not that it's lame, but if it were to be added to TF2 it would end up like VSH - filled with bugs, poor maintanance and ultimetly sidelined because people will eventually go back to their usual matches
It'a really cool that these things are made, but putting community servers' gamemodes into the base game has been proven to not work nearly as well as some may think
off topic but will there be a new Inventorio update anytime soon for 1.21?
Someone else is now in charge of the mod, so, I hope so. Visit the mod page on modrinth.
Dont have to come out this summer, maybe some extra time can help make it more refined. Vscript gamemodes that get pumped out kinda suck a lot, like zombies.
It's not the worst thing, but I prefer to play the original mod.
Bro just download open fortress, why even make this map if the mod exists
Because if it's in the game, it can be played by more people?
cant really play open fortress since the servers are pretty much always empty, playing with bots isnt the same either
@@zee_scoot if that's true, then what makes you think this map will even be played if it gets added?
@@berg5332 cuz it'll be in tf2? it will at least have more players than the 20 people playing open fortress at any given time
@@HammerHead133 nice, that means we will have 50 players playing this map then
Wouldn’t it have been better if it was a “Team Deathmatch”, than just a Deathmatch itself? Because at least that’s how it would maintain the essence of the base game.... With of course having to get 100 points like "Player Destruction" ... However, PD is also a mixture of Deathmatch with a clearer objective, so idk What do to think?
The general consensus is that PD is the definitive version of DM with teams and classes.
However, the initial premise of the project was FFA DM, and I felt like having either teams or classes would hold it back. The existence of Open Fortress only strengthened that feel to me.
This is cool for a community server thing.
Yes but not casual
Just play Open Fortress
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Don't we already have Open Fortress for this?
yah and not needing ppl to download a separate game/sourcemod
funny
I hope this won't be added to TF2
Very pog indeed
Also this could work like the team fortress classic menu where you can directly open other "quake like" games, but idk it ruins the game or smt so too bad
dont add this to the game. just play open fortress
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Does it have bhop?
Yesn't. It has artificial bhop, but the plan is to ask Valve for a convar for the "real" bhop.
I pray this gets added and doesnt die straight off the rip
While i'm not viciously against these gamemodes like some people are, it bothers me that, unlike in gun game, this doesn't even use tf2's weapons. This is just open fortress exactly. Pretty lame.
I felt like it'd be wrong to create a "competitor" to Open Fortress, so, I went to partner with them instead.
@@LizardOfOz But your gun game mode uses tf2's weapons!!!
what are the gameplay differences compared to open fortress?
can you only have 1 "primary" type weapon equipped at a time?
There's a few weapon stat changes I still need to port over, bhop is a bit different, but weapon slots work like in an arena shooter. 6 slots, with 2 or 3 weapons per slot.
@@LizardOfOz I think i was told that wasn't possible with vscript
So is it possible to have say a soldier with a rocket launcher and flamethrower and a minigun?
It is possible, yes.
Is it possible to have more than 2 teams aswell?
Like having 10 teams with 3 on each team?
Because then you would be able to have battle royale mode with teams of 3 or 4
A battle royale is possible, someone already made a vscript battle royale, but since it was for community servers they didn't bother to solve the jank.
What is hard is making more than 2 teams without the visible jank.
BOOOO
No thanks / Not interested
Yes thanks / Yet interested*
it's not a prop hunt to hate him