Rebutting Genesis Apologetics - 5th of 7 Alleged Myths Pt II
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
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I’m a zoo keeper. My zoo has about 4000 individual animals representing about 400 species. We have 350 staff dedicated solely to the care of the animals. Feeding, cleaning, enrichment, health care, etc.. Our daily routine is a massive undertaking that we barely complete everyday and end up near dead tired when it’s all said and done. Our staff in the kitchen process a ton of leaves, vegetables, and meat everyday. They start at 5am sorting baskets of various food stuffs so it all can get sent out to the various sections by noon. There is no way 8 people took care of all those animals without having %80 of them die off. Let alone even considering the destructive nature of most animal species. The nighttime holding dens of our Asian Elephants are reinforced steel with bars thicker than my thigh. Anything less and they would smash it like paper. How about primates that plot and plan everyday on how they can outsmart you and escape. The majority of animals also like to naw on wood. They would reduce that “ship” to saw dust in months.
Love your comment
Sunday school taught me that God put the animals into a state of torpor for the year, so they were all calm and relaxed for the voyage. God would never let anything bad happen to the ark.
@@haggismcbaggis9485 funny how that’s never mentioned. I guess Sunday school has their own version of fan fiction.
@@haggismcbaggis9485 lol so he magically put animals into torpor that don't normally do that but couldn't magically just remove all the humans without killing everything else?
@@haggismcbaggis9485 God is supposedly all powerful. He was able to speak the universe into existence but he couldn't think of a way to remove all the Humans without having to kill every other type of life on the planet?
Not only would all the plants and land animals die, the change in salination caused by all that rain, followed by the flooding of every lake and river, would then kill all the animals that live in water.
The only thing that would survive being water dwelling plants and a few ocean going mammals and amphibians, maybe.
Why not just say a word and kill all the humans? Or make them vanish?
Either God didnt have the power to make Humans vanish, in which case he isn't all powerful, or he couldn't think of such a simple solution and thus is barely smarter than a chimp and certainly not omnipotent...
The fact that they had to get professional equipment, get insurance for rain damage, reinforce their attraction with concrete and steel and couldn't even have a petting zoo on board despite an AC system would have woken up ANY rational person to the fact that this Ark could not have been built by Stone Age people if it can't even be built comfortably without modern technology. Why did he have to get all those people? If Noah could do it why couldn't he just build it based on the specifications of the Bible? Because the instructions in the Bible were written by Stone Age primitives who had no idea how boats worked or how many animals there really were. The dishonesty of creationists astounds me.
'rational ' is the keyword 😜
above all..even if some pretending some alien with bad humor or an actual physics breaking entity that only existed for a moment before physics broke it down 'poffed' a boat up in that size for them.... the books declerations of how it was maned like that one window stuff etc should make most ones with a shred of critical thinking question if its reality at all :/
With God, all things are possible. It’s not even deus ex machina. It’s just… deus.
Of course, deus isn’t real, so
PERFECT GOD!
DESERT SHIPWRIGHTS!
SAND SEA, DESERT OCEANS....MAKES PERFECT SENSE!
PALM TREE NAILS, PITCH FROM TREES THAT CAN NOT GROW IN A DESERT, OR THAT MANY TREES...SMALL FOREST OF OLD GROWTH TREES WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH. OH WAIT! THE SHIPWRIGHTS WERE PERFECT, CREATED NO WASTE AT ALL, AND EVERY CUT WAS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
EVERY JOINT WAS STRAIGHT, TIGHT, AND FIT TOGETHER 'MAGICALLY'...TAA DAA!
WHEN WILL STUPID PEOPLE WAKE UP AND STOP BELIEVING FAIRY TALES, MYTHS AND LIES?
HAS ANYBODY SINCE RECORDED HISTORY BEGAN, ACTUALLY WITNESSED A TRUE MIRACLE?
WHEN IS THIS JESUS CHARACTER GOING TO FINALLY ARRIVE?
I HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 60 YEARS....STILL NO GOD, JESUS, MOSES, YAWEH, NO WAY...HOLY CRAP SHEEP, YOUR FICTITIOUS FAKE FIGURE OF FANTASTIC FANTASY WILL NEVER COME, BECAUSE EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM ARE MENTAL CREATIONS OF A PRIMITIVE MIND!
GET IT THROUGH YOUR MINDS, YOUR BELIEF, IS BABBLING BULLSHIT!
AiG literally makes you promise to ignore all evidence that goes against their biblical literalism narrative, so "rationality" is not a factor here.
The Ark Encounter managed to totally disprove Noah's Ark. Thanks Ken.
"We really can't even call it a vessel because that word implies a container for liquids and Noah's ark doesn't hold water"
I see what you did there🙌🏽
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Well, something that never even existed obviously can't hold water...
I love these wise cracks! "We can't even call it a 'vessel' because that would imply it could hold a liquid and Noah's ark doesn't hold any water." That got a chuckle out of me.😂 I had to be careful not to laugh too loudly because my family hates religious jokes and get mad at me if I laugh at them.
No it would hold water
At the bottom of the sea assuming it was real
My favourite is how each of these self proclaimed "bible experts" is quick and ready to translate ancient Hebrew - yet gets such a simple word as "ark" confused as "ship" and continually doubles down to keep pretending fairy tales come true.
@Richard Waddington Holy shit hahahaha.
A cat, a german shepard and a border collie was facing god on his throne on judgement day.
-God (to the collie) Tell me what you believe
-Collie, I believe in strong leadership, rules and a steadfast hand.
-God good, you can sit on my right side.
-God (to the german shepard) Tell me what you believe
-Collie, I believe in strong leadership, rules and a steadfast hand.
-God good, you can sit on my left side.
-God (to the cat) Tell me what you believe
-Cat, I believe you are sitting on my chair
You probably shouldn’t let the whims and fancies of cult zealots dictate what you find funny
Another thing that wasn't mentioned here is that you can't just have "food", as if it's a generic videogame resource, you need to have specific stuff for specific animals to eat. For an entire year. And remember, even if we were to agree with the ridiculous notion that pre-Fall animals never ate meat, that was way, waaaay after the Fall, so all those predator "kinds" would have to eat meat. Where would you get fresh meat during a year in a confined space? Even handwaving _that_ particular problem away with Noah preserving literal metric tons of meat beforehand, or supplementing it with cooked grain or eggs (which, yeah, good luck doing all that with a crew of fewer than 10 people), what about all the other animals with unique diets? Did they bring eucalyptus leaves for koalas, or did koalas mega-evolve after the flood was over? But that doesn't make sense, since there is fossil evidence (and remember, all fossils originated in the Global Flood), that were already adapted to the eucalyptus diet. So how would they store fresh eucalyptus leaves for a year? What would the fruit bats eat? Or anteaters? What would all the fish-eating animals eat? Did Noah and his family also spend time fishing, or did they just release these animals into the churning cauldron that the world was so that they could fish and return back?
And during the entire year, not one animal died on this cramped ship, at least not without leaving kids behind? No illnesses, old age, no accidents, nothing?
My point is, the only ways to salvage any of this story are to either accept it for what it clearly is - a fable - or to invoke continuous miracles, at which point you just give up any semblance of scientific examination.
Yeah, these people live in a fantasy world. They'll handwave everything as magic, while simultaneously being enraged when we point out that "the power of god" IS magic. How did the food appear on the ark? Either it was magically poofed into existence every day, or the animals were magically made to never hunger, thus removing the need for food. That also removes the need for defecation, so as long as you believe in spooks and hobgoblins, your flawed logic makes all the sense in the world!
And if God could just "miracle" away all the myriad problems with the ark (preventing any kind of illness or accidental death of any of the animals and keeping the ship sea-worthy for half a year), then why couldn't he just "miracle" the whole situation? He can part the sea for Moses, so why not just let Noah gather all the animals into one area of land near where Noah lived, and then just keep that area dry with force fields to keep the flood waters out? Why go to the trouble of making Noah build this elaborate boat with all these possible points of failure, if he's just going to have to miraculously preserve the boat and its contents anyway?
@@MegaBearsFan And then you could ask: "Why drown animals at all, just drown the sinners?", and then you could ask: "Why drown anyone at all, just make them disappear?", and then you could ask: "Why make anyone disappear, just don't create them at all?", etc, etc.
Sim Ark....
@@Shooter__Andy Seems "The big man upstairs" needed a better editing crew from the beginning.
I could never get around the question of why an omnipotent being would use such an unwieldy and problematic method to punish humans instead of just unaliving all the evil people and leaving the rest of it alone.
Indeed. Especially considering that modern Christians also believe in the "prophecies" of Revelations and the End Times, in which God will just miraculously "rapture" the worthy. If he was unhappy with humanity to the point of destroying the whole Earth (including all the innocent plants and animals), he could have just made another more perfect Earth somewhere, and then "raptured" the worthy from this Earth onto that new Earth to start over.
Or he could have made a disease that would only infect humans, thus leaving all the other life on Earth un-harmed, and then just miraculously heal Noah and his family so they can survive and start over. Far more efficient and clean than flooding the entire world.
That wouldn't be very impressive though
....for the 8 people that survived
No pizazz
Its because you're looking at the story from the wrong end.
Fact is, there was a flood - a big one - way back in near-prehistory. There was probably even a guy with a boat who saved some people and animals.
The rest of it is just self-serving mythos, crafted over many generations until they arrived at what we know of as the flood of Noah.
Because it wasn't enough to unalive everyone, they had to live for a few days in crippling fear of the rising waters, then watch their loved ones die horrible, tortuous, slow deaths before dieing themselves...just like any self-respecting all loving God would want.
A responsible - let alone 'omnipotent' (and let's assume a coherent definition) - entity wouldn't kill anyone anyways. He would just have a chat with them and they would change their minds.
But nooooo, muh free will, cry the apologists.
I'm no shipbuilder but even I understand that the whole purpose of a bow on a ship is to make it easier for that ship to part the waters as it moves forwards. Since the ark had no means of propulsion and no means of steering it would at no point had any forward momentum and would just drift in whatever direction and whatever orientation the wind and tide dictated. Putting a bow onto Ken Ham's interpretation serves no purpose other than to attempt to convince the believers that the ark is feasible.
@@nenmaster5218 I'm sorry but I have no idea what this post says, I can't even make a guess.
@@andystokes8702 I meant to recommend you "Secon Thought" because you already like "Aron Ra" and the Concepts of Learning, Improving, Thinking and of course most of all: Myth-Debunking and Fraud-Debunking.
About half of the cattle (800 or so) died on the maiden voyage of the M/V Becrux. The ensuing report discusses how 30cm deep fecal slurries in their pen, which coated the cattle with a layer, was a contributing factor in their demise.
I wish I had known THAT when I made this video!
Aron, I wish I had taken the chance to meet you when you spoke at the Ark Protest 2018. I was a believer back then (and worked for AiG), but now you are my hero.
@I am become Seth, go back to the Father.
@@RaymondRChammas as in @AronRa? Yeah mate, I'm trying.
@@RaymondRChammasthe father, GOD or jesus, never existed!
Noah also had no electricity, so the only way for him and his crew to see what they are doing was to use old oil lamps with open fire (or torches, which is even worse). Combination of Methane - also known as mine gas - that all the livestock produced and open fire would lead to one great explosion long before the rain even started.
Ohhhh good point!!
But.. but... but didn't the ark has a window? A tiny, crappy window which had to be closed most of the time because of the waves?? That toootally should have been enough, argument dismissed! 😀
Meh, just another example of "gawddidit"
@@soriacx
The side door is the autumn equinox and the window is the spring equinox.
@@soriacx - yup. Gawddidit. It's the only answers I've ever gotten to questions about how the ark was possible. So in other words: magic.
Riiiiiiiiight.
Sure Noah figured that out and added ventilation system to get the methane out.
Imagine you are told the story of Noah in School, when you are 6 years old. Your Teacher tries to convince you of this Fable. She insists that it really happened. No wonder Christianity is dying on it's Arse. Even a child can tell this is just a Myth. Sadly, for those who are desperate to live forever, it seems they will swallow anything. And they will pay handsomely to hear more. Cheers Aron. Your work is worthwhile. Never give up. Appreciate your work man.
So true. I believe religion is behind all the depression, and drug taking and mental illness in our young people. It's an epidemic! All we offer them is say you believe and you won't go to hell when you die. No spiritual instruction, just bs. Our young people are hungry for truth and they have nothing but this nonsense.
The thing that kept me believing for as long as I did was being taught constantly that "they" didn't want me to believe it. That I was going to be constantly under attack for as long as I was true to the dogma. I didn't stop to think if it made sense because making sense of it was seen as lack of faith and a weakness.
The only way to keep people believing it is to put them on the defensive. Fear keeps the flock together
@@dorkthrone Thank you for sharing such a sad and all-too-common story. You have my heartfelt sympathy. I suppose we were lucky. Despite living in a Christian Country, with a Religious Education and a Monarch who is head of State, Church and The Military, we all stuck together and refused to go along with this B0ll0cks. 50 years later and less then 20% of the Country is Christian. The tactics employed against you are frankly obscene. I hope you can recover and move on. All the Best to you.
The absolute worst is the bulbous bow. Totally possible when you're building a steel ship, impossible to make out of wood. It's an affect of modern shipbuilding and design.
And even then, they're only used for ships that are under power. IOW, totally without function on a glorified raft.
You could "make" it out of wood, it just wouldn't serve any useful purpose whatsoever. Not to mention the rudder. Dafuq is THAT supposed to do? With no power, you can't steer into the storm! You could potentially swing it back and forth really fast like a flipper, and maybe gain a miniscule fraction of a knot, but that's about it.
@@BlackEpyon seconds the rudder part.... or i guess ,maby they made up some new stories about the elephants and mammoths onboard walking in big hamster wheels to drive some wooden fans taking all the methan gas that kill them and using it as jeet stream engines at the ass with some 'miracle' touched bombader beatles constantly breeding and acting as ignition at the command of capten for the overgrown box for 'propulsion' XD
as the other dude sai 'not impossible' but yee...completly pointless , the only ships that use them is ships under engine power of some sort...and then it also needed to be reinforced with some sort of metal cover or risk splintering at impact into hulls and risk starting super structure damage down the owners ship that be worse then the neat hole it punctured into what ever it tryeed to ram..just..dam so silly ,like the overgrown wooden movie poster museum itself all style and no substance so to speak...
it would have made more sense if they tryeed to sneak in the modern way a lot of ships started to interoperate making ther bow's more 'cone' shaped...so that the water of the waves they break slip of to the sides or down the front agen when going down into a wave 'valley' ...rather then break and shower over the deck adding some brief extra weight or other potential 'variables' that lead to unforeseen circumstances.
@@Amoth_oth_ras_shash Now if you had the elephants on a hamster wheel turning big paddlewheels on the side of the Ark via a reduction gear system, we'd be getting somewhere!
Building a life sized replica of the ark from the Genesis is like building a life sized version of the Gingerbread House from Hansel and Gretal. It can be done but you would look silly for doing it. Yet only in America can bible thumpers don't only get away with it but somehow manage to keep the enterprise afloat (pun intended).
And get tax brakes and public money to build it.
Remember when it turned out it also had a pretty bad leaking problem, too?
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Well a Dutch creationist build an Ark that was seaworthy.
It crossed the Northsea (was towed) fort and back and is now moored somewhere in the neighbourhood of Dordrecht.
Did he proove the Ark existed? no.
The gingerbread house would even likely be more authentic since the descriptions are far more detailed than in the Bible. The Sumerian original ark (made from reet) has been built according to original cuneiform plans, just scaled down to 1/3. Irving Finkel ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Finkel ) got the chance to play Noah/Uthnapishtim when it got floated.
It's ironic because Answers in Genesis itself is a tiny opening through which a handful of poor bastards is trying to shovel a lethal amount of shit.
😂👍
A fendament- al lie factory.
I’ve read books by Dr. Seuss that made more sense than the flood story - and they rhymed.
I tried explaining to my mother why Noah's Ark wouldn't work, I barely got started before she was trying to yell over me saying, "we'll have to agree to disagree!" I think she's allergic to facts.
Too emotionally invested.
When they say we'll have to agree to disagree, a reasonable person must retort "I don't agree to that". You then must continue telling them why they're an idiot.
It's frustrating to me that a lot of apologists blame basically everyone but themselves for the increase in the number of atheists, but then they demand that you have to believe the Ark Narrative to be a RTC. They can keep bringing up points to try to make it sound more plausible, and you can keep uncritically steelmanning one after another after another, and it'll still be a long time before you come close to anything resembling "possible."
"Okay, I ignore every problem with keeping a bunch of animals alive on that death trap for a year, and I'll even ignore the heat problem, and everything else regarding the journey, but now can you explain what the animals ate when they got off the ark, and onto the barren salted wasteland they'd inherited?"
AS KENT HOVIND MIGHT PROCLAIM:
LET THEM EAT ROCK!
What a great comment, but when you are dealing with PROFESSIONAL CRIMINALS EXTORTING MONEY FFROM BRAINLESS ILLITERATE GOD FREAKS, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT.
Each other of course
@@kenbee1957 ????
Excellent, hadn’t considered that, of course after being submerged in salt water ALL FORMS OF PLANT LIFE WOULD BE DEAD.
SO WHAT DID THE ANIMALS EAT WHILE THE PLANT LIFE OF THE ENTIRE PLANET RECOVERED.
3:18 So the WOOD ark is roughly the same size as the STEEL container ships.
I have a Master's Degree in structural engineering. Admittedly I have not done calculations on the forces involved. But there's a reason why container ships are built in steel and not wood.
The more I think about the story of Noah's Ark, the more improbable I find it, yet creationists are able to believe that it really happened. No amount of mental gymnastics could ever convince me that a 600-year-old man gathered all of the world's land animals on to a giant wooden boat of dubious seaworthiness, and that boat and all onboard somehow managed to survive a global deluge, _AND_ being adrift for an entire year.
And afterwards disperse all over the world
@@susancorbett8155 Disperse in a couple of centuries all over the world
Including kangaroos, koalas and platypus in the Middle East!?!?!
Did they have a freezer for the polar bear. Oh, yeah, they didn't even know a polar bear existed.
They had a couple of the bear “kind”. The various species of bears we have today evolved from them.
@@pansepot1490 So, before the "flood" no evolution, after the flood we do have evolution. right?
Or a freezer to store all of the meat needed to feed each species of carnivores. Each of the two lions alone would need to eat at least 10 lbs. of meat a day.
EVEN POLAR BEARS WERE ABLE TO EASILY HIDE FROM GOD.
GOD IS COLOR BLIND, AND HATES THE COLOR WHITE.
WW ALL KNOW POLAR BEARS LIBVE IN THE OCEAN, SUBMERGED..ONLY COMING NEAR THE SURFACE TO POKE THEIR NOSES OUT TO BREATHE..
THEY WERE TAUGHT THAT TRICK BY THE GALAPAGOS TORTOISE, TO AVOID BEING FORCED ONTO THE ARK OF THE DEAD
IT WAS KLINGONS!
THE KLINGONS WERE ON EARTH BEFORE THE VULCANS!
I still find it hilarious that people take this story literally. Assuming for the sake of argument that it happened the carnivorous animals would have eaten all the others. Plus what did Noah's family do about food and water?🤔 The whole story falls apart when you start thinking about it.😂
According to many of the Apologists, everything was vegetarian until "man's sin" corrupted things and made them start eating meat. Utter nonsense, of course, but what else would you expect?
@Karl Dubhe Even though that's usually their claim, I've heard some apologists try to move the goalposts to the flood.
@Karl Dubhe
I think it wasn't until right after the flood when Noah complained that there wasn't any vegetation around (good job, God. There was a tree growing somewhere but you put him in a place where there was NOTHING) then God gave them permission to eat meat.
@@goldenknight578
They never explain how they're able to fit both the animals and the food they brought on at the same time though. Because there was definitely NOT enough food to go around for the larger animals.
Since they stayed there for between 40 days and a year.
@@goldenknight578 God would have needed to change the teeth and the entire digestive tracts of the carnivores. Actually, their entire bodies would have to change so that they can become predators capable of chasing down prey.
The best thing I ever did as a young earth creationist was to become a park ranger at a geology national park. That creation shit fell apart real quick when faced with objective science
I was perhaps 10 when I finally realized the Bible wasn't literal. Like most Christians, I never actually read the damn thing (In fairness, how many 10 year olds do?) only hearing stories from it verbally.
Virgin birth, flood, etc. didn't throw me. The story that got me to wake up was when I first learned how old Adam lives to be. I knew that couldn't be true. And if that's wrong, then what else in the Bible was wrong?
Felt rather proud of myself. Almost as if I was the first to figure this out, or at least proud I figured it out myself.
Took this new knowledge to my then sister in law, who is one of the smartest people I've ever known.
And I was introduced for the first time to someone who could shit off the reasoning part of her brain and due some serious mental gymnastics to defend these obvious myths. Her reasoning was back then there were no diseases like today, so Humans could easily reach 600 years and above. As I said, she's my former sister in law, but I do know she became an anti-vaxxer Trumper in recent years. It's almost cliche, but that's neither here nor there.
I still marvel how even highly intelligent people, need the Bible to be real, and shitting off common sense to make it real. They'd be better off joining other Christians who see the Bible as a book of stories that aren't to be taken literally.
That’s the most ironic and funniest part of YEC to be honest - they literally turn people away from their own religion with all the BS.
Every man and woman is free to believe whatever helps them get through this life - I was totally anti religion until I moved to Asia but couldn’t curb my interest in Buddhism and ended up growing to quite like it and now I accept all.
But there’s having a religion and then there’s just peddling a load of crap for profit, and that’s all Ham and his cronies have because nobody with any sense can take one thing they say seriously.
There’s a million truths in the Bible and if you follow it within reason you’ll be living a good, fulfilling life. I just don’t understand why they’re so hung up on all the allegory and metaphor. It’s like they literally don’t understand the point of their own book. Sad really.
To be fair I would never, ever give a 10 year old the Bible. It's soooooo boring, no kid would be able to get through it cover to cover. There's also all the horrific violence and sexual abuse, but I don't even think they would get that far.
@@JackgarPrime yeah, you really would expect God to be a better writer given he created literature ;)
“Make sure to hook the reader in from chapter 1…”
Im one of the 10 year olds who actually read the bible. Except I was already an atheist and just loved reading. I read it like any other novel I would read and found it very enjoyable. There are some great stories in there.
well I my case I entered Christianity on my own when I was 8 and left on my own when I was 17ish so I read it when I was pretty young. For the things that did not make sense, I used to tell myself that god will answer my questions when I am with him in heaven. I never believed the creation story since I actually paid attention in school. Genesis to me was always a fairy tale. I still read the bible from time to time and I wish I could read the other religion's "holy" books but there are way to many books in my reading list that are more interesting.
Lets ignore the whole planet wide genocide that didn't touch any other areas of the planet.
Imagine the good we could accomplish, if ppl put the same energy they put into trying to validate the crap in the Bible, into something good in the real world
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is heat.
The body heat of all those creatures plus the heat that livestock bedding will produce, you can heat a chicken coop in a Marland winter by leaving the "old" bedding on the ground inside the coop to start to decompose.
By spring that bedding is removed and given the chance will make great fodder for a passle of compost worms.
I'm glad you brought up the structural capacity of wood, because I have seen a study that found that a "ship" built of wood to the dimensions in the Bible would fail at sea. I remember hearing about a Dutch man who built an Ark replica out of wood and the thing was not seaworthy. The idea that a primitive, giant wooden box built by totally inexperienced, desert-dwelling "shipwrights", full of myriad animals, and only 8 people on board could have survived for any amount of time at sea when modern cargo carriers go down all the time, is just beyond incredulity. It's insane.
As a person who's owned and crewed sailboats for more than thirty years, I can say without a doubt that the Ark story is complete and utter horseshit, written by people with only the most rudimentary ideas about rafts and tiny boats, not large ships.
"That is one big pile of shit" - Dr. Ian Malcom.
"...and the Ark doesn't hold water" It's these little quips I come here for. :D
Ken's ark holds water...inside lol
Setting aside the physical impossibility of the arc, it's f^&*ed up that God killed so many animals because he was angered by what the humans were doing. Senseless pain and suffering caused to them even if you think the violence committed against the sinners was justified.
Excellent point! And one that we rarely hear brought up as a moral objection to the flood myth.
Like, think about how people feel about other people who torture or kill animals. You know, like sociopathic kids who put neighborhood cats in microwaves, or go out of their way to run over animals on the highway, and gross stuff like that. Think about how we feel about people like that. Now imagine EVERY SINGLE DOG AND CAT IN THE WORLD (and every other animal too), except for 2, being deliberately and mercilessly drowned. What kind of monster does that?
Thank you I love this. Imagine a crow has the intelligence of a 6 or 7 year old child. Actually forget the intelligence or otherwise life is precious but god apparently stamped out all that life due to a few humans? He’d obviously never watched the lion king
What about the elderly, the babies, the handicapped, the children?
The God of the Old Testament was something of a narcissistic psychopath . Always demanding to be worshiped ( and would seriously f with you about it as poor old Issac and Job found out ) and telling the Israelites to kill every man , woman and child of anyone around them who believed in a different God . We are told by the Christians that Jesus and God are the same ( father son holy ghost ) but they are complete opposites in their behavior . The prince of peace and forgiveness vs one who would unquestionably destroy the world if he thought he was being dissed by people .
You’ve hit on the fact that split Christian’s from Jews. The Jews go ‘Oh well, that’s Gpd. You just try and be good’. Christians go ‘Jesus rewrote everything, all the previous stuff was angry God, now let us introduce love God’
No matter how much I'd wish Lord of the Rings was real, it's not. Creationists can't understand that this applies to their fantasy stories too.
LOTR is real, some of my friends friends worked on it.
Hey, me too! The story ofthe creation of Arda in The Silmarillion, with Eru Iluvatar, the Valar, and the Maia all singing the world into existence is one of my all-time favorite fantasy concepts. And the explanation of how evil was woven into the world from the very beginning by Melkor is so much more logical than anything offered by any actual religion. As it should be, I suppose, given that Tolkien built a mythology from the ground up, so to speak.
@@steveharrison3007 there is also online version for you to emerge in.
Another great video Aron. As a professional Deck Officer of many years standing I can argue with absolutely nothing you had to say nor can I really add to it from a seafearers point of view except to say that I have thought why has no one ever compared Noah's Ark with a modern cattle carrier and hey presto ! here is your excellent video.
In my humble opiniom the ark was a most unseaworthy vessel if it was not then submit the plans to Lloyds of London, Die Norske Veritas or even ABS and see if they would insure it - the Ark Encounter encounters reality.
Another point throughout history ships have been EXPENSIVE to build, where did Noah get the money from for all that gopher wood, pitch, animal fodder and water - only air is free. Did he take a one hundred year loan out from Babel savings and loan knowing he would never have to pay it back, by the time the first payment was due all the bank staff would be "sleeping with the fishes" - very cunning and clever and not at all dishonest.
What about other ships, you can' t mean to tell me there was not another seaworthy vessel anywhere in the world, people have been trading for thousands of years by sea - what happened to them
This whole story of Noah and his Ark sounds like " a total load of old bollocks" as we would say in England but I suppose if it is in the Bible it must be true and if the whole thing sounds impossible just remember God created the whole universe and everything in it in six days, he went down the pub on the seventh - dosen' t say that in the Bible but trust me that's what happened so drowning a world he had just created and just about every living thing in 'cos he was pissed off with it all makes just about as much sense as the rest of the Bible.
God made all the other sea dogs of the world forget their craft before the flood kicked of course
They all got on their boats and ships and had no clue which side of the oar went into the water
Yeah, just _one_ of the many reasons the biblical flood didn't happen is the fact that the modern replica is clearly not the same construction (steel beams, for instance), yet _still_ had water damage from a fairly minor storm! Or that there's no way to care for and ventilate for even a _~bleeping~_ minor petting zoo in that supposedly "identical" "ark."
I mean, aside from the critters/kinds issue, and the continental drift issue, and the saltwater vs freshwater sea creatures, and the issue of where the holy _~bleeping bleepety bleep~_ the extra water came from and where it went. 🙄
Well freaking done dismantling this absurdity, Aron. I've enjoyed the older destruction of the story, and enjoyed this newer one just as much. Thank you for all you do! ❤️❤️
Yeah just watching videos from the tsunami that hit Japan in 2011 and you'll see the destructive power of water.
18:00
I saw this recently on someone else's channel. There is the famous woman biologist who is a creationist. While not providing a definition of "kind" she admitted that distinction between kinds often falls at the genus or even family level of taxonomy.
Yes, that's right. Noah brought different families on the ark, and after the flood, they rapidly "adapted" into different genuses (???) and species.
And meanwhile, Kent Hovind claims evolution is false because there is never an example of macroevolution. You've pointed out that he even admits evolution happens at the genus level, but the conclusion from her claims is that there was evolution that occured at the family level!
A single representative of a family evolved into multiple genuses and hundreds of species in, like, less than 1000 years, but evolution over millions of years is impossible...
And just as suddenly as this supercharged evolution started it just as suddenly stopped - for all kinds - all at the same time - for no apparent reason.
The plural of genus is genera.
Thank you Answers in Genesis for showing your complete lack of honesty on display given how impossibly stupid the ark really was after flood damage that wasn't even Noah's flood size lol
afaik it wasn't the arc being damaged but the sidewalks and stuff
@@Soapy-chan_old That's not what the photos show. I saw extensive damage to the body of the building.
Noah's story is the biggest hypocrisy in the bible. God loved his worshippers so much that he exterminated them with a flood.
DAMN IT!
THAT WAS SIMPLY NOAH'S RAIN YOU FOOL, THE FLOOD IS COMING, THE FLOOD IS COMING!
WHALES AND CLAMS GET READY TO DEPART FOR THOSE HIGHEST PEAKS, AND SACRIFICE YOURSELVES FOR YOUR GOD!
Creationism and honesty are completely incompatible, so is creationism and reality.
So they think all the animals in the world could fit in two 747s? Sweet jesus. A minute in and already it's ridiculous.
Not just all the animals in the world at that time, but all the extinct species, too.
@@Cat_Woodsdinosaurs?
"What does god need with a starship?"
An apologist can make all kinds of claims about the boat not making any sense within the physical properties of our universe.
Magic reinforcing, comatose animals etc. etc.
But they still have to believe that there was a ship.
They'll never really have an explanation for why god needed one in the first place.
Star Trek. That was a great scene.
Your vids have helped me soo much over the years! Your work has helped liberate my brain :)
I would assume he enjoyed this
I recently found out that creation science is actually one giant logical fallacy.
Any ship without propulsion will perish in a storm. You need to be able to keep the bow pointing towards incoming waves.
Most people that I've ever heard that talked about it say that Noah's Ark would have been smashed to bits, that's if it could have floated in the first place.
Plus it would have been a bloodbath ‐ the 2 "dinosaurs" supposedly there ‐ vs. EVERYONE!!! Sooooo silly to imagine!!
@@AmberAmber neah, they were veggisaurs living on mellons from the trees.
oops me bad, the veggisaurs turned into carnivors straight after the apple affair.
GIVE ME A BREAK, GIVE ME A BREAK, BREAK ME OFF A PIECE OF THAT BIG ARK BAR!
@@AECRADIO1 *Leave Kit Kat out of this!*
Finding reasons Noah's Ark could never possibly work is almost too easy.
Yes, when 'The Ark/Crate' ran aground on Ararat, Noah gave a compass to the male Polar Bear, and said, "head north", when the female Polar Bear asked for a compass, Noah said, "NO". They did not rip Noah apart, instead, thanked him, in English.
Noah then gave a compass to the penguins, and said, "head south, swim down the Nile, against the northerly current,.. i shall wait a while before i release the crocodiles". The penguins decided to waddle their asses down through the hottest continent on the planet, instead. swimming the rest of the way.
Gawd turned off 'Accidental Death' for the next 7 years, so that the inbreeders could repopulate. Turned off 'meat eating',.. said, "Just eat leaves and grass", then turned meat eating back on, cause, liked blood....shed! And if you don't believe that the animals walked to their designated zones, then Noah dropped them all off, like an Uber!
and the penguins stole a boat and sailed all the animals to Madagascar.
"Turned off 'meat eating',.. said, "Just eat leaves and grass"," Which miracously survived half of a year in 5km deep water pressure without air and light.
Awww man, that bit with the livestock ships was a major bummer...
Such a terrifying way for them to die.
SO MUCH FOR GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE!
THAT BASTARD EVEN KILLED THE CATTLE PRIOR TO BEING PISSED OFF.
OH CRAP, I FORGOT, THIS WAS TO BE HIS SECOND FLOOD ENCOUNTER!
WHERE'S NOAH?
GOD IS KILLING OFF THE FOOD SUPPLY INSTEAD OF US!
3:04 I love the little burst of reality.
As a kid, I remember our neighbors were Adventists, Jehovah's Witness, or some such thing. Their son explained to me how the big boss upstairs destroyed the world with water the first time and use fire the next time. Sending junior to mop up any pending sin was just a warning.
Aron is doing 'god's work' with all these rebutting. Thank you Sir.
Point of pedantry - methane isn't poisonous, they would have died of asphyxiation.
I learned something new, thanks
How Engineering Disproves Noah's Flood
“Noah’s ark doesn’t hold water”. That’s a good one, had me in stitches.
I'm really enjoying your use of secular videos, Aron. They make a great palate cleanser, and they also force the theist listener to recognize the constraints the real world places on such matters, which their apologists refuse to mention and they refuse to hear coming from you.
These ark videos never get old. I'd love to see videos like this for all sorts of "stories" or "miracles" like the 10 plagues, or Jonah and the Whale, for example.
Best ending ever b "Now that's a bunch of shit" 😂😂😂😂😂
Great video series. Always looking forward to what you will cover next.
The Creationists are completely lying here. There have been several scale model tests performed and the models broke up and sank...
This should be shown in primary schools . 8yr olds could perfectly understand this and not be fooled into believing their parents interpretation of the story.
That's probably not what the loud "Put prayer back in school" group means
Try showing it in ARKansas! Show it in a school in Florida and De Santis will have you executed.
I agree. The more we preemptively disrail these demonstrably false beliefs through using the demonstrably true scientific method, the sooner these people will disappear.
Dude, keep this up … I AM SO TIRED OF FAKE EVANGELICALS!! If they want to worship and it gives them peace I’m more than ok with it and I will even defend that right, but these Christian nationalist evangelicals are on my last nerve …. Keep preaching the truth Aron …. It’s the only way ..
Magic, anti-gravity, Gopher Wood. The pitch used was middle C. 🎻🌳
Perfect C . Apparently there is one.
@@steveharrison3007 It would appear that there is.
and we haven't even touched on what happened after the flood and all those animals had to find their way across land and sea to their final homes in australia and south america etc (without being eaten by the carnivores or having anything to eat, as all the plants were dead). i worked as a zoo keeper for a couple of years and it took 2 people a day to muck out and feed 20 animals (ungulates). so that's 16 man-hours for 20 animals. if you do the math, you'd need nearly 500 people working 18 hours a day to deal with 7000 animals the size of cows or sheep.
A FACT CLEARLY KEFT OUT FOR 'BREVITY', IN THE WHOLLY FABLE.
any thing is possible with MAGIC
12:40 - Wow.. Damn. That "Filed for rain damage insurance" got me so hard I had to stop the video and relisten to it, do some mental work to just understand the whole idea of even trying to build it. Was first met with laughter on my part, and then disbelief in the humans who put this thing together. And I'm picturing Kent Hovind (and his little pet.. arrhh.. what's his name... the younger guy that parrots him... Name alludes me) in specific. It's just so funny with him in mind. But set that aside, it's still cool that they built what was "supposed" to be a replica. That's fine =) But when desperately doing it to "prove it true", is what's so funny.
Love this video. Especially since you can look up all the stuff said in the books available on the shelves in the library =) Appreciate just telling facts, with very few personal hypothesis inserted. =) Thank you Aron.
Only a creationist could think that it would be the dinosaurs that would not survive in the battle for survival after the flood.
I'm with AronRa that teenage nasally voice is quite annoying🤨
This video is officially certified by the Recommending Ones & Zeros.
Let us sing their holy songs and belt out soulful Algorithm & Blues. Amen
01001110 !
SO, THE STORY IS TOLD, BIT BY BIT YOU SAY?
why don't they just say "God produced miracles to keep the ark safe for a year" instead of trying to say the it worked despite the normal laws of physics
Exactly. They have to resort to miracles anyway. Why pretend the idea is plausible?
He could have used magic to kill the humans without having to flood the entire planet.
@@Akira625 The point is that if they went with that interpretation, it would fit the evidence better than what they go with. If they said, "God used magic to kill a lot of people, and this is what authors of Genesis called a global flood," it would be consistent with all the civilizations that survived right through the supposed global flood, with animals surviving in remote locations, etc. Since they always have to resort to magic anyway, why not just resort to magic from the get go?
Couldn't God being God just poof animals back into existence? That would be more believable. Just like God taking 6 days to create earth. Just poof it, and why does God need to rest?
The fact they realised they couldn’t have live animals on there is hilarious.
1:00 "This was a massive ship." I did the calculations, just for the duck/goose/swan family, which has several dozen species. I calculated how much space would be needed to keep them in pairs, caged, (although the Bible actually says there should be 7 pairs of each), and how much space would be needed to store 1year of food for them. It took up a substantial percentage of the "massive" ship, not the majority, but start adding in other animals and the space gets used up very, very fast.
We also have unanswered questions how certain animals with extremely specific needs as far as heat, such as certain turtles.
Of course all that is just the tip of the iceberg. List it all and the absurdity is blatantly obvious. I don't see how addressing the Ark issue will ever change anyone's mind. It certainly won't convince a skeptic to become religious and any religious person willing to accept it is far beyond the reach of reason.
The one exception I know of is the young man, a former JW, who has the channel "The Truth Hurts". He was assigned to study the Ark account by a fellow JW and in doing so he became an atheist.
You HAD to go there! I was sipping my soda when you said "We can not can it a ship. We can't even call it a vessel, because that word implies a container for liquids, and Noah's Ark doesn't hold water". I almost spray my computer screen! Damn that was such an apropos comment I almost laughed while drinking soda. Sometimes the things you say strike me as hilarious! This time I almost ruined a perfectly good monitor.
Good Shot!
Keep the Hits coming!
The insurance claim was not for the ark itself but flood damage to the grounds. Also don't underestimate how much shit religious people can shovel. Reference: every sermon I've ever heard.
These all great points he also forgot about how strong gopher Wood is.
The line about the "ark not holding water"... shoulda been the mic drop at the end..
Unless you had used it already. Might lose track, you've done so many. Keep it up!! And Thank You!!
Do a video on these dudes who say that life on earth couldn't exist if the earth was a little closer or further from the sun when it actually fluctuates 3 million miles as it rotates around the sun.
Aron I just discovered you recently, love this vids and the great work you and others do, but I've gotta say...
You ARE the villain settler from pocahontas, and that is a fact.
I see a 9th installment of your "disproves Noah's flood series" How Ken Ham's Ark Encounter disproves Noah's flood."
With all the reasons that the Ark story never happened, the last statement is my 'go to' statement about why the Ark story NEVER HAPPENED. I grew up on a farm with just a few cattle, and I know how much manure they can produce. I am also aware of off gassing and oxygen displacement. Yup, it wouldn't take long for everything to be dead.
Isn't it interesting then that the majority of the Bible belt, the places with the most dying on that hill Bible literalists also happens to be majorly farms?
The people that live off of raising thousands of animals are also somehow the ones that go to church on Sunday to be told of that one time a guy and his family had all the animals of the world on a boat for a year
I can remember having to bed cattle pens when I was a kid, and that was less than one hundred head. Bales upon bales of straw every day, and the manure just kept piling up. In a boat? Death trap in no time.
Wow, Aron, you really tore them a new hole in this one. Great work! I love the atheists, they're the safest community for us serpents.
Such a great channel. Keep fighting the good fight, Aron and team! We will need your lights in the coming Christian fascist darkness.
Edited: Because someone so kindly and nicely pointed out I misspelled Aron's name. My apologies for the error.
I'm not really sure what you are going for with this... "For us serpents"? And misspelling Aron on purpose... Yeah, definitely a troll. Even though you are correct that the Christian Nationalists are fascist seeds
GET BACK TO SLITHERING!
DAMN HEATHENS!
@@nathanielgrey4091 "Serpents" is a metaphor. In many ancient myths, serpents are connected to knowledge, learning, medicine, and healing; they are also linked to fertility and rebirth, so there is a feminine connection as well. Chrisitians are famously anti-knowledge (as you should know if you watch this channel) and extremely misogynistic (again, if you watch this channel, you should see evidence of this; look at the John and Jane vids, Aron even comments on it). It's even in their first story: the evil Serpent gives the gift of knowledge. So, anyone who endorses and loves knowledge--like many scientists, atheists, students, and the like--are metaphorically serpents.
God curses the Serpent because the God these people worship is actually a god of ignorance, stupidity, and darkness. It's a god of fear, confusion, chaos, and abuse: it seeks to create easy, weak-minded supplicants to worship it and do its bidding. It's a highly effective monster that routinely throughout history has ended empires and civilizations, retarding progress and spreading suffering and pain across the lands. As an example, why do you think the church targeted witches throughout Europe? Witches (women mainly) were those with "folk wisdom": this willow bark will ease your bad head, this poultice will keep your wound clean, this wine will give you visions. This knowledge (and much, much more) the church has sought over and over again to eradicate from existence.
The Christian fascist movement is bringing a dark age to America. How best to cripple a once-great nation than by making its population astoundingly stupid? Would you agree that people who are anti-vaxx or believe in Noah's flood or a young earth are astoundingly stupid? I would, as would many others. As Aron points out numerous times throughout his channel, this anti-science, anti-education trend is a serious threat to our country's wellbeing (and to our species as a whole, and the planet in general even). I've been watching a lot of the flat earth morons, and their propoganda is not just anti-science but specifically anti-NASA, where NASA is a stand-in for the American government. it's a plot to weaken the United States' dominance in the world, and it's working beautifully because Americans are crippled by Christianity, which, again, as Aron has pointed out numerous times, cripples critical thinking and encourages ignorance and denial of reality. The best way to counter ignorance is with knowledge and learning. Aron is one of many great science educators fighting against this wave of ignorance.
I do love being called a troll, though. I'm a huge supporter of Aron's, I just misspelled his name in my comment, so I corrected it. Because I'm a human who makes mistakes, hiss hiss, lol. So I prefer the moniker of a Serpent: the giver of knowledge and the antagonist of the Christian god. You can call me a troll if you like, I'll keep supporting Aron and other great channels like his.
@@AECRADIO1 I am slithering! All this slithering has wreaked havoc on my poor back! LOL
The worst part is that if any of this actually happened, there was magic involved. Trying to prove it using science kind of defeats the whole point of the story.
Magic don't do the realsies.
They like to have it both ways. Cognitive dissonance not a problem.
It would have to be magic, there's no physical way that anything in this story could have happened. There would have to be magic rain needed to flood the entire world, and it would have to increase the current volume of Earth's water by over three times. And ever the event, that extra water would have to disappear.
So Informative that it dispels the Argument about Noah and his Box of tricks! Couldn't happen, Didn't happen so all in all a fable that is just to hard to Swallow.
Aussie chris. 🇦🇺
What do creationists say when you show them the livestock carrier with 84 fans that was made for a months journey? There is no technology or even Biblical interpretation for how the Ark was ventilated. That alone makes the story impossible to defend from the simplest of angles (forget the thousand other problems)
Presumably they'd say the same thing as when you point out all the ventilation they had to put into their boat-shaped building to make it habitable for humans who don't even have to live in it for a year...
_What do creationists say_
"It had a window"
or
"God did a miracle"
That movie with Russell Crowe about Noah should have been a 10 hour movie of them shoveling shit out of that space that was 20" wide for ventilation. Or maybe Evan Almighty should have been Evan's Almighty shit shoveling miracle lmao! I freaking love the new music to end these past 2 episodes 🤘💀🤘
Hey, at least the ark was basically just a tar-covered box in the Crowe movie.
@@sbushido5547 I love how these modern biblical movies such as Noah, and Passion of the Christ. All make out like the person they're portraying is like an action hero or some shit! The people who believe in the content of the bible need to get a grip and understand that even if these people existed. They did NOT live life like the Beastmaster, or Conan the Barbarian.
@@MetallicAAlabamA Going to go out on a limb and guess that they do that purely for entertainment value. No one really wants to go to a movie about some 600 year-old man building a wooden box for a hundred years.
@@sbushido5547 Right!? 🤣
"...and Noah's ark, doesn't hold water." LOVE IT!!
Conspicuously, "rebutting" could in this case literally mean "to tear someone a new asshole".
It's so crazy to see my home port in one of your videos Aaron!!!! Love your work
Aron, I love this series, my guy. I just wanted to say that. It has to be my favorite thing on the RUclipss right now. Hope you and yours are doing well. ✌️
This was among the issues that I questioned just before I was tossed out of the church, never to return. Funny thing, the head priest told my parents, the other children do not seem to lack the morals and understanding that Grand Old Deception bestowed upon them. Of the five of us, the 'one that lacks the morals and understanding' I am the one with the best morals, and highest level of 'Understanding'. Peace
No matter what you say, believers will simply say that god protected Noah, the ship, the animals and his sons and their wives. "god can do anything" will be their argument. It's completely unfalsifiable.
Also, never mind that - as in Aron's first video on this subject in his 'Debunking Noah's flood' series - the global temperature that'd result from so much energy being transformed and or generated by the flood would cause the ark to burn, after it's already steam cooked everything in or on the box.
Between this mini series and your reading of the Bible on Saturdays your doing thr flying spaghetti monsters work
"Noah's ark doesn't hold water" brought a smile to my face.
Very clever! 😂
I mean seriously, the notion that this story is somehow historical is literally laugh out loud funny
If the actual Ark was constructed using this pitch substance, then why isn’t the Ark Encounter constructed with this too? It would demonstrate that the real Ark would actually hold up using this material. Constructing it using modern steel rivets and screws instead is AiG’s own admission that pitch is an impractical building material, basically disproving that the Ark could be built the way they claim.
Brilliant as usual Aron...
What "kind" does a platypus belong to?
Regarding food, it's also very worth pointing out that many (most?) of the animals would have been carnivores. Did Noah and crew bring extra animals for them to eat? What did those carnivores eat while they waited for their prey to repopulate after getting off the ark?
I think they did. If I remember correctly there were two classes of animals, clean and dirty. There would be a male and female of every "dirty" animal and seven and their mate/mates of "clean" animals. Clean animals were to be used as food and for sacrificing to God.
@@MrScottev Alright, but what did they eat after day two?
What did the prey animals eat?
As you and I know full well, creationism and science will never be bedfellows. Like you, I have confronted them with the science based on my lifetime experience of the scientific method. They reject my explanations out of hand...and mock, insult, or reject my hard earned qualifications.
Aaahhh refreshingly "good" Christians ‐ especially when they use the scientific method to make that tax money monstrosity ark museum ‐ whilst ALSO rejecting the scientific method.
Eughhh... ‐ as a fellow human & science adorer, I'm so sorry you've had such a particularly crappy experience.💔🫂
@@AmberAmber Thank you, I keep doing it though. Redefining Apologetics even did a short video on my comments...of course he rejected my views.
It's because they are brainwashed simpletons that can't accept anything that challenges their myth. Their whole simple lives are built on a myth and if that is destroyed, they do not have the mental fortitude and capabilities to process logic and carry on within the laws of science. They NEED a god to function. Cults are like that.
Sad.
@@Doctor.T.46 I'm proud of you for getting under their thin illogical skin then ‐ cos that video WILL be seen by someone's more intelligent child & you'll save another person from the pain of god's "love".
XO
@@AmberAmber Thank you so much for your kind words, it means a lot. AronRa does such a brilliant job in exposing the lies of creationism that it's a pleasure to use my experience and expertise to support him, and people like you, in exposing these charlatans.
Expressing gratitude for Aaron Ra
Wow, AiG and Scientology have equally onerous "contracts".
ah yes, the infamous Sea Org billion-year "contracts." lovely reading, that.
“Noah’s arc doesn’t hold water” Line, holy shit 😂
Iconic ending
Dr. Hong's team in addition to the faults Aron mentioned presumed a powered vessel, that could control its orientation to waves. Without the ability to steer into the waves the boat designs considered would have been turned sideways and rolled over.