Yuri’s voice performance during Peter and Miles’s fight was crazy awesome he really gave it his all in showing just how much of the symbiote’s toxic influence was affecting Peter
Some people might be mad Miles beat Peter with the suit but - Peter himself is actively fighting the symbiote - Miles blue venom is a hard counter to symbiotes - Miles was using the bells sound, the other hard counter to symbiotes - Peter just finished fighting Kraven, who was also using the bell a lot He legit had every advantage possible and it was still a hard fight for him
Exactly. Peter was still holding back his intent to kill even against Kraven. If Peter didn’t fight from within and became one with the symbiote, he would’ve been a more dangerous Venom. Hell, Miles couldn’t even beat Kraven by himself, and Harry’s Venom just dogwalked Kraven. Imagine Peter fully turning into Venom.
honestly i wish we could had a mental fight on pete's mind between red suit him x symbiote... so he is fighting inside his mind and miles outside, BUT i think they didn't made that because they wanted peter to keep roasting miles in the way, peter just started wanting to get rid of it near the end of the fight. Well, if we fight fucking mj 5 times they could make a 5 part fight with peter. 2 times miles x bad peter, 2 times peter in red x symbiote in his mind, 1 final part miles x just the symbiote controlling pete and end over
You are wrong, stop being such a fan of Peter and use your brain, Miles won legitimately, he has much more potential, and more abilities, Miles was also in an internal fight because of what just happened with Martin Li, and having to fight with his mentor and save him without hurting him, Peter defeated several stronger enemies using his intellect, thousands here did the same, the student sooner or later surpasses the teacher 🤙🏻.
@@perrydunetz882even without the symbiote Peter is still would be weak to miles venom powers. Bro got clapped up by two strikes of lightning in the fight against sandman
4:09 goes so hard emotionally. Peter’s voice alternating with the Symbiote’s voice gave me chills. I also love the double meaning that the parts the symbiote speaks can both be just referring to Peter or the suit itself (“I’m the solution”)
It explain why he was choose by the symbiot, for every person who have to die or suffer because of him being Spider Man there is a weakness in his mind
I've always thought Yuri Lowenthal has a samey voice problem, but he did a really good job there. I did actually tear up a bit hearing how sad Peter sounded 4:00 and on, really goes to show that while Pete appears to not take the things Jonah says seriously he is actually worried about what he's doing, and the symbiote played off those insecurities and revealed he does actually worry that he might be the cause more bad than good (plus the recent MJ article and the danika cast right before then)
You don't need the symbiote suit to make you a better Spider-Man, it is your inner strength, virtue, and the strength of your mind, body, and spirit that make you who you are. Just because you possess ultimate power that makes you much more powerful than before, doesn't mean that you don't need the people closest to you to help you, guide you, and save you anymore. Sometimes we all need a little help, guidance, and saving.
I felt so sorry for Peter during this fight. He’s just a deeply traumatised little boy who’s lost everyone he’s ever loved and only ever wanted to save them and be validated for what he’s suffered and done. He has dedicated his life to fighting the good fight and helping people and all he ever gets for it is shit on by everyone and punished by the universe more than any villain ever has or will be. He’s judged more than anyone else when no one else (other than Miles and Mj) are willing to do anything and he’s so damaged he’s consumed by the symbiote and creates his own greatest enemy through his own grief. No wonder he can’t give it up. He’s finally found something that reassured him he’s everything everyone forces and judges him to be. Peter deserves better ! Not to mention if they sacrifice him in spiderman 3 he will be what… 26 years old. 26 years old and he will have only ever tried to do what’s right and will die for it
This fight reminded me of an arguement I had with a friend who was an amazing dude but lost himself due to drugs and bad influences. Couldnt save him. It was tough.
I like how the symbiote is portrayed on Peter. He couldn’t take control of his emotions and was struggling against the symbiote and mindlessly fighting Miles. Meanwhile Miles was much more collected, and had more control over his powers, and the bells, which is why I believe he won. Also, Yuri’s voice acting is literally a 10/10! But at the end of the game my opinion on it has definitely changed for the worse. While I still think they nailed the symbiote and how Yuri is incredible, it’s so obvious they made Peter a weakling to pave way for the new (and less interesting) Miles Spider-Man. You can just tell they want Miles (who never makes mistakes btw) to seem like he’s a better Spider-Man than Peter ever was and that Peter is useless. Truly heartbreaking at how disrespectful this game was to Peter. Well, at least Super Mario Wonder is fantastic :)
@@Jklcam00 well if you want to be somewhat loyal to the comics then that’d be a total retarded move on Isomniac’s part because Peter is definitely stronger lol
@Howlingburd19 No, power wise, Peter isn't raw powering through Miles' electric attacks and is gonna be given HELL if Miles used his invisibility (which can get around spidersense). And that even goes for venom Peter. Peter needs to stick with just using speed and smarts cause he aint winning in terms of power
@@BIGTHANKSHEESH if we’re talking source material, perhaps Miles has more powers from a quantity standpoint, but by default Peter is a better, physically stronger fighter with more experience, and has a superior Spider-Sense. Look it up yourself. So here, I personally think Peter should win; but Miles could win if something aids him, and in this case, I think the symbiote was Peter’s weakness. It messed up his mind and morals. Plus, there’s the bells (the bells were also the symbiote’s weakness in the comics, it’s how Peter removed the symbiote in the first place in I believe 1985). I think the lesson is you don’t need the symbiote to truly be a hero!
Find it funny how some people are complaining that Miles beat Peter. Don’t get me wrong, Peter is stronger, but Miles is only helping Peter beat the symbiote - this isn’t a fight between Miles and Peter, it’s both of them fighting the symbiote.
If this was a No Damage boss fight, it would have ruined the immersion. The trading of blow, Peter hitting Miles while he tries to ring the bell, really nails the fight.
6:46 When Peter was pause right there u can tell the symbiote voices is telling him not to listen to miles and talk abiotic ever backstory of Peter which makes Peter believe them and keep fighting miles.
What people seem to not understand is that while the Symbiote amps Peter it also gives him a crippling weakness against Miles. It’s been a thing for years that miles can potentially electrocute Symbiotes to death with his powers. Venom Blast + Bell Peter really never stood a chance.
This, strength while, Peter already out classed miles by a good amount, the symbionts just made that gap in power even worse. But Miles is able to keep up thanks to his venom and the curch bells.
@@80abonnessansvideosdu42 I think he meant the movies. And I agree bc Insomniac Miles would eat Spider-Verse Miles alive and he was able to hold his own against all of them
@@renanalvim6160yeah I mean like as in live action and the spiderverse movies. Only ones he couldn’t beat are 616 Peter, insomniac Peter, and web of shadows Spider-Man.
I kinda wish they added a little more chaos in this fight, like Miles gets in a lot of pain and beaten up and Pete is just out here raging and screaming. But I am still grateful with what we got.
To me, this was the passing of the torch moment for Miles. At that moment saving his older brother figure and mentor, he EARNED the right to be Spider-Man.
@@aranha6285NO HE'S NOT!!!!!! HE HAS FLAWS AND ISN'T PERFECT AT ALL!!!!!! I AM SICK OF YOU MILES HATERS!!!!!!! GET OUT OF THIS FANDOM AND NEVER BOTHER ANYONE ELSE EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!
@@TheFLAMEXD HE IS!!!! Like Rey is only a Walmart Version of Luke with the only difference being that she is a Woman, Miles is also Walmart Version of Peter with the only difference being that he’s black and cuz of Black Fragility he’s not allowed to be criticized. Like Rey he always gets new Gary Stu Powers or new Techniques without any buildup to win all his fights. Like Rey’s Enemies were Walmart Versions of Luke’s Enemies (Tarkin/Hux and Kylo/Vader) his enemies are Cheap pretty Versions of Peter’s or downright Peter’s very own Enemies. Like Rey he has a love interest whose sole purpose is screaming his Name. Although in a way even Rey is a better Character than him cuz unlike him she actually has to face the consequences of her actions instead of always getting a BS Happy Ending
People are misunderstanding two things about this game. First, this fight isn't Peter vs Miles, it's Miles and Peter vs Venom. This becomes apparent near the end when Peter says he knows he's better than the suit, but then it takes control again, as if not trying to let him go. Peter is trying to fight the suit to, but is clearly having a hard time. The second thing is Miles' beef with Martin, and people (admittedly me to at first) thinking Miles was out for blood. He wasn't. He just didn't want a repeat of what happened with his dad, and wanted to protect those he loved, he didn't wanna kill him. Kick his ass, hell yeah, but not kill.
Let’s not forget right after miles beat li. Kraven captured and beat miles in a cage but that’s probably because miles was really drained after the li fight to defend himself.
Interesting fact that I found out that Miles' electric blue powers didn't come from Mr. Negative, it came from the Nuform reactors from the last game when miles absorbed them all. So, yeah, if you guys didn't know where it came, there it is.👍
I’m ngl it makes perfect sense for Peter to lose here. Even with the suit… there’s obvious weaknesses that are EASILY exploited throughout. The bell specifically as miles is constantly using it when fighting. Second Peter is tryna combat it mentally too so that’s also making him weaker as he can’t focus on a fight. Third I do think we have to accept that miles is surpassing Peter. I love both miles and Peter, and it makes sense for miles to surpass Peter because not only does miles have really good abilities but he also has been training under one of the BEST spidermen out there. No duh he’s going to surpass him, that’s the point of a mentor. I do think that they could’ve handled Peter a bit better in this game but overall an amazing game and somehow better than both its predecessors.
I think in a fight between normal Peter and miles Peter should win because he was more experience and combat ability while in this fight it makes sense for Peter to lose cause he’s literally fighting something in his head and it’s only really venom actually fighting miles so Peter in this is less concentrated and ravenous so of course he would lose
This fight wasn’t just a heartbreaking battle to save Peter from the influence of the Symbiote, it was a battle for Peter’s SOUL from the CORRUPTION of the Symbiote
What makes me mad is how smooth brained Peter's motivations are with the symbiote and how the writer made it seem like being recognkzed as the hero was all he cared about.
You misunderstand. The symbiote takes advantage of a person’s weakness and corrupts that person with it. Peter Parker deep down wished to be recognized for the hero he was but he always suppressed that feeling. The symbiote however unsuppressed it
@joshuawillis602 That doesn't sound like Peter's character at all. Heck, it sounds more like Mile's character would have made more sense with him being so young. Peter by this point has matured enough to where his inner demons such as anger, wrath, and vengevufleness should be his toxic traits, not giving 2 hoots about if he was being recognized.
@@j-dawg4774 of course that doesn’t sound like Peter. That’s because it’s a feeling he’s suppressed all these years. Meaning it’s in the deeper part of his mind. Everyone has insecurities even Peter. But he does a great job at suppressing it and being mature. However the symbiote brings out those dark feelings and makes Peter act like and say things he’d never say or do. His inner demons include insecurity. Peter had spent his entire heroic life as Spider-Man being called a menace and criminal. Peter got used to it of course but that doesn’t mean those feelings aren’t still present at the deep part of his mind.
Hope you don't mind me saying, but the Symbiote boss fights are kinda like Shadows from Persona 4. True, they're a corrupting force, but they also bring out real personal problems from deep within. They're not just battles, they're essentially counseling sessions.
Marvel spider-man 2 theory. 10:56 Symbiote Spider-man feels hurt after bell ringing Venom mind control peter parker That was very painful 🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕
Don't know hey people are claiming Miles won this fight when neither of them did. It literally ended because Peter ripped the symbiote off after Miles exploited it's weakness. Miles will absolutely become stronger than Peter in this verse, but this doesnt prove he's currently better than him.
Tbh I think they might be equals currently, Miles might have more powers then Peter, but (to my knowledge) he hasn’t had the amount of experience Peter has had, and plus adding on to what you said, I don’t think Pete was fighting like he does in the game, the suit has him perform more simplistic and brutal moves due to heightened aggression. In a real fight? I’m not sure, but it could definitely go either way or just lead to a tie, as while Peter has more experience, Miles has more tools to work with, but if that ever happens I hope Insomniac allows us to play it and choose which one we want to play as.
I thought Peter will betray Miles at the end of the game leading to a Part 2 of the game when people kept saying Peter and Miles will fight each other.
Since nobody understands, Nobody won the fight. Miles was able to convince peter to take the suit off. Miles did not knock peter out or anything, all he did was use the bell to weaken him and tried convincing him to take it off.
By that very logic, that means Miles won as he got Peter back, which he wanted. He wanted to help Peter to stop being more and more like venom. Mind you, it wasnt till Miles was giving Peter the Bakugo that Peter started to come round to what Miles was saying. For the first half of the fight, Peter was clinging to the venom suit like his life depended on it
@Indy921 that's still a win, KO or not. Miles got the upper hand to reach out to Peter one more time, and Peter had to heed what Miles said and take off the suit. Miles won, one way or another, and it didn't need to be physically winning
I don't care what nobody said the only reason why Peter Symbiote Spider-Man was getting whooped by Kraven and Miles was because Peter was still holding back his true powerful strength and Venoms true power Strength we know what happens when Spider-Man is not holding back like any other true powers out there in the game world
This scene is for me a pure demonstration of how Miles represents a sincere version of a Spider-Man. He doesn’t loose sight of his responsibilities and cold-blood in a very deep desperate situation where his friend and mentor is about to loose his own identity and decline his entire existence in a dark symbiote but he’s still nonetheless helping him and figuring out a solution for his sanity and the sake of all New-York. All over the game when Peter was about to loose his mind into darkness, loose his life or dive into sorrow, Miles was the light that afford him to see and clear up the path for a way out. Miles Morales is clearly the best character of this game for me, he depicts a pure version of a Spider-Man !
Miles is a great character but you clearly lack an understanding of Peter. The symbiote having such an effect on him shows how much sadness and anger he has been holding back for all these years. He has lost almost everything. Peter let his aunt die, his last parental figure who stood by him his whole life, to save everyone else. Saying he’s a lesser spider-man is disrespectful af. Peter Parker and Bruce Wayne are 2 of the most strongest willed comic book characters, these guys stand by their morals and hold everything back every day for years despite everything that they have faced
@@A.H.goose1 I don’t think I lack comprehension of Peter Parker but I agree that for the semantic choice I made an inaccuracy. I wouldn’t not say “better” from a moral and ethical point of view but rather a “sincere” or “pure” version of Spidey : When Miles was about to abandoned the victims for Martin Li ; His supposed last words to Martin Li “I can never forgive you […]” or even the small dialogue detail of the fight “You don’t even answer my calls anymore man !” All of these details show to me that Miles knows how to not deny his own feelings but also not let them take the lead in detriment of his responsibilities while Peter just accumulated sorrows, pain and stuff for years until a breaking point where the Symbiote took advantage of this and control him in his entirety. P-S : Actually why not Peter Parker wouldn’t be a lesser version of Spider-Man ? Since compared to Miles Morales he has less ability and power potential due to Miles bioelectricity that hard counters symbiote like the fight shows it. Even him was about to abandoned himself to the symbiote’s strength in order to be “A better Spider-Man” like he said to Dr.Connors. He implies by himself that his power isn’t enough to be stronger.
'all over the game' = just this time and the other night. Miles just met peter in symbiote 3 times (the first one chazing lizard, the night when peter was asleep and that fight lol)
When Peter was sad about Aunt May's death, when Miles revived Harry, hmm what's again ? When he was in his mind with Li and many other situation I forgot.Before making fun of other's saying just make sure you are consistent with yourself @@Paulinho_66
dude your analyse is great and i wish the game had a bit more of content to show more of those personality traits from peter that we, as fans, can get the message but as a game they could have a bit more content to expose more of this. Like the mission with harry on school... sure, we can get (by movies and other medias how they are best friends) that they are very close by their first interation but that flashback mission helps to establish that. Symbiote peter on the other hand we don't really have a moment in the game that he shows his inner demons through the symbiote, it seems like he is angry just because of the symbiote and that's it. @@lucitheos1541
miles is trash. His movies got carried hard by the other spider people and peter's villain. You think his movies would be succesful if it was a solo miles movie with his original villain? Nobody wants to see miles except a few. They want to see peter and the other spider people. And It's pathetic really that miles needs peter's villain in his movie instead of using his original villain. Because they know it will flop. Just look at miles morales game, it sold less than spider man ps4.
Take notes, Marvel Studios. This is what needs to happen in the Tom Holland Spider-Man films when he bonds with the Venom symbiote. What I would love to see is after all the devastating destruction Symbiote Suit Spider-Man unleashes on Damage Control and the Daily Bugle, he would save Agent Cleary and Jameson for last as he beats both of them to a bloody pulp, only until the last second realizes what he’s doing is wrong and he leaves them both bruised, broken, and bleeding as he decides to remove the symbiote suit.
Peter fought many times against stronger enemies using his intellect, that's why Miles did the same using the bell, he also had an internal fight recently about Li, and he was trying to save his mentor without hurting him too much, he held back and won legitimately. , has more potential than Peter and he showed that throughout the game, don't be ardent fans of Peter, this is so true and Peter is aware of it, that he left the mantle of Spiderman to Miles for a while.
@@richardbarton5910 wow, lower your nerves a little bro, speaking that way you show that you are not a man, have more self-control, and accept that Peter is falling behind, he himself recognizes that Miles can handle the city while he retires for a while, he even thanks him for saving his life several times (and clearly vice versa).
@@andresalvaro781Some notable versions of Spider-Man include Hobie Brown, Flash Thompson, Kaine Parker, Mattie Franklin, and Mac Gargan. While these characters may have their own unique powers and abilities, Peter Parker is still considered the most powerful Spider-Man due to his unwavering dedication to power and responsibility.Jul 28, 2023
@@captain2s404Some notable versions of Spider-Man include Hobie Brown, Flash Thompson, Kaine Parker, Mattie Franklin, and Mac Gargan. While these characters may have their own unique powers and abilities, Peter Parker is still considered the most powerful Spider-Man due to his unwavering dedication to power and responsibility.Jul 28, 2023
That is such a horrible way to put it. It's called be greater together, not be greater miles. They're equals and if people can't see that, then they should play the game again because clearly they didn't understand.
This is the reason why I like my boi Miles Morales more than the original spider man, he has the big advantage against the symbiote. I'm now more of a Miles Morales fan. The battle was epic and emotional, Also this mini boss battle reminds me of sonic vs shadow
Miles beat Peter cause of gameplay reasons 😂 I know Miles has the Venom abilities and camouflage, but let's be honest, in this battle Peter has the Symbiote which enhances his strength and resistance(not to mention over 6-7 years of experience as Spidey, and the Symbiote makes him immune to Miles Spider sense), Miles beat him cause he was holding back and not to mention he had a giant bell to produces the main weakness of symbiotes.
Yuri’s voice performance during Peter and Miles’s fight was crazy awesome he really gave it his all in showing just how much of the symbiote’s toxic influence was affecting Peter
This also gives me some Obi Wan vs Anakin ptsd
his performance was amazing. Too bad we got to see so little of bully lowenthal
@@Paulinho_66 Yuri did the Bully dance once if it serves any consolation
It's miles morales vs venomized spider man
aint no way kraven said harder when peter was choking him out.
Daddy?
Right, I was like "pause".
"harder 🥵🥵"
And he got so upset when he stopped💀
He even "thank you" to venom for giving him the 19 inches treatment
Peter: “If you’re not with us, then you’re OUR ENEMY!!”
Miles: “Only a Symbiote deals in absolutes. I will do what I must.”
Peter: " You will try. "
Miles: "You were the chosen one"
Peter: "Don't underestimate OUR power!"
Peter: "I'm gonna put some dirt in your eyes chump"
@@BurnMyDread2009 Peter: "I miss the part where that's my problem"
Some people might be mad Miles beat Peter with the suit but
- Peter himself is actively fighting the symbiote
- Miles blue venom is a hard counter to symbiotes
- Miles was using the bells sound, the other hard counter to symbiotes
- Peter just finished fighting Kraven, who was also using the bell a lot
He legit had every advantage possible and it was still a hard fight for him
lest we forget, also an emotionally volatile Peter Parker, it was more of a fight with himself than a fight with Miles.
Exactly. Peter was still holding back his intent to kill even against Kraven. If Peter didn’t fight from within and became one with the symbiote, he would’ve been a more dangerous Venom.
Hell, Miles couldn’t even beat Kraven by himself, and Harry’s Venom just dogwalked Kraven. Imagine Peter fully turning into Venom.
honestly i wish we could had a mental fight on pete's mind between red suit him x symbiote... so he is fighting inside his mind and miles outside, BUT i think they didn't made that because they wanted peter to keep roasting miles in the way, peter just started wanting to get rid of it near the end of the fight. Well, if we fight fucking mj 5 times they could make a 5 part fight with peter. 2 times miles x bad peter, 2 times peter in red x symbiote in his mind, 1 final part miles x just the symbiote controlling pete and end over
Dont'forget that miles also just foughut an hard fight against Martin Lì
You are wrong, stop being such a fan of Peter and use your brain, Miles won legitimately, he has much more potential, and more abilities, Miles was also in an internal fight because of what just happened with Martin Li, and having to fight with his mentor and save him without hurting him, Peter defeated several stronger enemies using his intellect, thousands here did the same, the student sooner or later surpasses the teacher 🤙🏻.
The black suit at this point is lowkey one of the best black suit designs I’ve seen in Spider-Man
Yeah it was really awesome seeing the suit evolve overtime throughout the game and turning more slimy and grotesque looking.
the second design with the black symbiote here is top notch! so alien looking it's great
I agree, I wish the black advanced suit 1.0 was how the Symbiote would look first on Peter.
No? I hate it?
@@Gwilhermokay?
People arguing over who won the fight missed the point of the whole thing entirely
People are literally ignoring the demonic sounding voice coming from the suit.
I feel like they just making excuses to hate on miles
@@rakaharitsI feel they’re Forgetting What Peter Is truly capable of
@@Comicedits39 ?
@@Comicedits39Peter wasn't fighting like he normally does. If you want a peak fighting Spiderman it's when he doesn't have the venom suit.
4:03 This is the best Rageful and heartbreak voice line I've ever heard
When this game got released, I always knew Miles Morales is the only one to save Peter Parker from the corruption and temptation of the symbiote suit.
Yea but Pete whoops that Chile if he donrolee the wymbiote
@@cybermoni2776The symbiote upgrades Peter in every way possible, if he couldn’t beat Miles with the symbiote, he isn’t beating Miles without it 😂
@@ioan2134the symbiote buffs peter but gives him a massive weakness to miles venom powers, he’s not stronger than peter he has a type advantage
@@perrydunetz882even without the symbiote Peter is still would be weak to miles venom powers. Bro got clapped up by two strikes of lightning in the fight against sandman
@@perrydunetz882Finally, someone understands the symbiote weaknesses.
The fight between two Spider-Men was insane.
I was hoping while he’s deform I would see his mouth that way he looks like Topher Grace venom.
It's miles morales vs venomized spider man
4:09 goes so hard emotionally. Peter’s voice alternating with the Symbiote’s voice gave me chills. I also love the double meaning that the parts the symbiote speaks can both be just referring to Peter or the suit itself (“I’m the solution”)
Yep, and when it says “you think I’m the problem” to Miles, it can be taken as peter saying that or the symbiote saying that
@@A.H.goose1the subtitles switch from Spider Man to Peter when he says ‘You think I’m the problem’
4:12 That was an awesome voice line-
Venom: 4:14
It's miles morales vs venomized spider man
I’m the solution! 4:17
4:03
Dude, this actually started to make me tear up fr 😢
It explain why he was choose by the symbiot, for every person who have to die or suffer because of him being Spider Man there is a weakness in his mind
I've always thought Yuri Lowenthal has a samey voice problem, but he did a really good job there. I did actually tear up a bit hearing how sad Peter sounded 4:00 and on, really goes to show that while Pete appears to not take the things Jonah says seriously he is actually worried about what he's doing, and the symbiote played off those insecurities and revealed he does actually worry that he might be the cause more bad than good (plus the recent MJ article and the danika cast right before then)
Seeing these two fight just hurts to watch…we can see how good of friends they can be
You don't need the symbiote suit to make you a better Spider-Man, it is your inner strength, virtue, and the strength of your mind, body, and spirit that make you who you are.
Just because you possess ultimate power that makes you much more powerful than before, doesn't mean that you don't need the people closest to you to help you, guide you, and save you anymore. Sometimes we all need a little help, guidance, and saving.
That a really good quote friend
Well said and put!
Friendship and magic
Amen too that
Preach dude
I felt so sorry for Peter during this fight. He’s just a deeply traumatised little boy who’s lost everyone he’s ever loved and only ever wanted to save them and be validated for what he’s suffered and done. He has dedicated his life to fighting the good fight and helping people and all he ever gets for it is shit on by everyone and punished by the universe more than any villain ever has or will be. He’s judged more than anyone else when no one else (other than Miles and Mj) are willing to do anything and he’s so damaged he’s consumed by the symbiote and creates his own greatest enemy through his own grief. No wonder he can’t give it up. He’s finally found something that reassured him he’s everything everyone forces and judges him to be. Peter deserves better ! Not to mention if they sacrifice him in spiderman 3 he will be what… 26 years old. 26 years old and he will have only ever tried to do what’s right and will die for it
that one mf: I ain’t readin allat
It's miles morales vs venomized spider man
Having Yuri and Tony Todd trade off Peter’s lines was a perfect way to demonstrate Peter’s mental battle with the Symbiote.
Man this is an emotional one. I had a feeling this was coming but man this goes hard
You know it’s a good match up when the comments are fighting too lmao
People just arguing about who is stronger are so boring. Like is that really your main takeaway from an emotional fight?
Hi there. What are your thoughts on the game?
Insomniac knew what they were doing with making Kraven say "harder" while being choked by a Symbiote Peter
This fight reminded me of an arguement I had with a friend who was an amazing dude but lost himself due to drugs and bad influences. Couldnt save him. It was tough.
I like how the symbiote is portrayed on Peter. He couldn’t take control of his emotions and was struggling against the symbiote and mindlessly fighting Miles. Meanwhile Miles was much more collected, and had more control over his powers, and the bells, which is why I believe he won. Also, Yuri’s voice acting is literally a 10/10!
But at the end of the game my opinion on it has definitely changed for the worse. While I still think they nailed the symbiote and how Yuri is incredible, it’s so obvious they made Peter a weakling to pave way for the new (and less interesting) Miles Spider-Man. You can just tell they want Miles (who never makes mistakes btw) to seem like he’s a better Spider-Man than Peter ever was and that Peter is useless. Truly heartbreaking at how disrespectful this game was to Peter.
Well, at least Super Mario Wonder is fantastic :)
miles just stronger i feel like
@@Jklcam00 well if you want to be somewhat loyal to the comics then that’d be a total retarded move on Isomniac’s part because Peter is definitely stronger lol
@@Jklcam00 or maybe they’re shown to be a little equal because Peter didn’t get abducted or whatever by Kraven’s guards…
@Howlingburd19 No, power wise, Peter isn't raw powering through Miles' electric attacks and is gonna be given HELL if Miles used his invisibility (which can get around spidersense). And that even goes for venom Peter. Peter needs to stick with just using speed and smarts cause he aint winning in terms of power
@@BIGTHANKSHEESH if we’re talking source material, perhaps Miles has more powers from a quantity standpoint, but by default Peter is a better, physically stronger fighter with more experience, and has a superior Spider-Sense. Look it up yourself.
So here, I personally think Peter should win; but Miles could win if something aids him, and in this case, I think the symbiote was Peter’s weakness. It messed up his mind and morals. Plus, there’s the bells (the bells were also the symbiote’s weakness in the comics, it’s how Peter removed the symbiote in the first place in I believe 1985).
I think the lesson is you don’t need the symbiote to truly be a hero!
Find it funny how some people are complaining that Miles beat Peter. Don’t get me wrong, Peter is stronger, but Miles is only helping Peter beat the symbiote - this isn’t a fight between Miles and Peter, it’s both of them fighting the symbiote.
If this was a No Damage boss fight, it would have ruined the immersion. The trading of blow, Peter hitting Miles while he tries to ring the bell, really nails the fight.
Hearing that Screaming from Peter when that Symbiote get Weak chills me
That part from 4:12 with the voice acting and soundtrack, incredible
This fight to me could have been an ending to the game on its own, talk about such an epic fight. Best of the game
6:46 When Peter was pause right there u can tell the symbiote voices is telling him not to listen to miles and talk abiotic ever backstory of Peter which makes Peter believe them and keep fighting miles.
What people seem to not understand is that while the Symbiote amps Peter it also gives him a crippling weakness against Miles.
It’s been a thing for years that miles can potentially electrocute Symbiotes to death with his powers.
Venom Blast + Bell Peter really never stood a chance.
This, strength while, Peter already out classed miles by a good amount, the symbionts just made that gap in power even worse.
But Miles is able to keep up thanks to his venom and the curch bells.
Also Miles' electricity was kinda Amp by Mister Negative who can also affect the symbiotes.
@@xavierrivera3407isn't that what he said
@@xavierrivera3407Peter doesn’t outclass Miles in strength, that’s never been stated or even shown at any point.
@galientl4723 it actually has been stated before in an interview with insomniac.
Yuri did the great job acting all those lines. That what you get for voiceacting Sasuke for 20 years xD
I’m so glad they listened to the fans and gave us this fight
Insomniac miles would solo almost the entire spiderverse. Even scarier? Peters stronger
Lol no Only 616 Spider man is needed he would destroy him
@@80abonnessansvideosdu42 I think he meant the movies. And I agree bc Insomniac Miles would eat Spider-Verse Miles alive and he was able to hold his own against all of them
@@renanalvim6160yeah I mean like as in live action and the spiderverse movies. Only ones he couldn’t beat are 616 Peter, insomniac Peter, and web of shadows Spider-Man.
@@renanalvim6160 Okay but they will still easily solo his ass on the movies they have thousands of Spider-Men
@@80abonnessansvideosdu42 I still think this Miles wins lol
I kinda wish they added a little more chaos in this fight, like Miles gets in a lot of pain and beaten up and Pete is just out here raging and screaming. But I am still grateful with what we got.
Always in the way! 1:19
You think i’m the problem! 4:12
I’m the solution! 4:17
I love the music during this boss fight. I turned the sound effects down so I could hear it when I got to here.
Spider-Man (Miles Morales): I am Miles Morales, your oldest friend. Peter Parker, will lay down my life for you.
W bumblebee reference
That fight was crazy too
What have I've done
To me, this was the passing of the torch moment for Miles. At that moment saving his older brother figure and mentor, he EARNED the right to be Spider-Man.
He did not earn JS. He’s a boring Gary Stu
@@aranha6285NO HE ISN'T!!!!
@@TheFLAMEXD He is. He is basically the Male Version of Rey Palpatine
@@aranha6285NO HE'S NOT!!!!!! HE HAS FLAWS AND ISN'T PERFECT AT ALL!!!!!! I AM SICK OF YOU MILES HATERS!!!!!!! GET OUT OF THIS FANDOM AND NEVER BOTHER ANYONE ELSE EVER AGAIN!!!!!!!
@@TheFLAMEXD HE IS!!!! Like Rey is only a Walmart Version of Luke with the only difference being that she is a Woman, Miles is also Walmart Version of Peter with the only difference being that he’s black and cuz of Black Fragility he’s not allowed to be criticized. Like Rey he always gets new Gary Stu Powers or new Techniques without any buildup to win all his fights. Like Rey’s Enemies were Walmart Versions of Luke’s Enemies (Tarkin/Hux and Kylo/Vader) his enemies are Cheap pretty Versions of Peter’s or downright Peter’s very own Enemies. Like Rey he has a love interest whose sole purpose is screaming his Name. Although in a way even Rey is a better Character than him cuz unlike him she actually has to face the consequences of her actions instead of always getting a BS Happy Ending
He is the only spiderman that can take off venom like a jacket 💀
I think you miss the entire point of the fight
Must be a really wet jacket XD
I mean Tobey maguire did it
People are misunderstanding two things about this game.
First, this fight isn't Peter vs Miles, it's Miles and Peter vs Venom. This becomes apparent near the end when Peter says he knows he's better than the suit, but then it takes control again, as if not trying to let him go. Peter is trying to fight the suit to, but is clearly having a hard time.
The second thing is Miles' beef with Martin, and people (admittedly me to at first) thinking Miles was out for blood. He wasn't. He just didn't want a repeat of what happened with his dad, and wanted to protect those he loved, he didn't wanna kill him. Kick his ass, hell yeah, but not kill.
11:34 Best scene.
It make no sense that he have the red mask, but it's a great symbol so it don't matter
Total Spider-Man 3 reference.
Love how miles just casually knocks out kraven 😂😂😂
Dude was getting sick of his shit and I can’t blame him😂
peter had like 100 boss fights hitting kraven and miles just 1 taps him😭😭
@@smellymgto be fare kraven was stuck and can’t do anything to defend himself
Kraven just got an ass beating by Symbiote Peter we'll let it slide.
Let’s not forget right after miles beat li. Kraven captured and beat miles in a cage but that’s probably because miles was really drained after the li fight to defend himself.
3:59- 4:00 that’s cold and a low blow bro. Ik that’s the symbiote talking but that’s just a cruel thing to say
Interesting fact that I found out that Miles' electric blue powers didn't come from Mr. Negative, it came from the Nuform reactors from the last game when miles absorbed them all. So, yeah, if you guys didn't know where it came, there it is.👍
I’m ngl it makes perfect sense for Peter to lose here. Even with the suit… there’s obvious weaknesses that are EASILY exploited throughout. The bell specifically as miles is constantly using it when fighting. Second Peter is tryna combat it mentally too so that’s also making him weaker as he can’t focus on a fight. Third I do think we have to accept that miles is surpassing Peter. I love both miles and Peter, and it makes sense for miles to surpass Peter because not only does miles have really good abilities but he also has been training under one of the BEST spidermen out there. No duh he’s going to surpass him, that’s the point of a mentor. I do think that they could’ve handled Peter a bit better in this game but overall an amazing game and somehow better than both its predecessors.
Peter definitely was fighting himself more than he was miles.
I think in a fight between normal Peter and miles Peter should win because he was more experience and combat ability while in this fight it makes sense for Peter to lose cause he’s literally fighting something in his head and it’s only really venom actually fighting miles so Peter in this is less concentrated and ravenous so of course he would lose
I would agree but Peter straight up has the anti venom symbiote in base now and even without it it looks like the spider arms are pretty busted
Miles would sweep the floor with Peter if he was the same age.
@@joshuangelono
8:30 soundtrack hits hard👌🏼
This fight wasn’t just a heartbreaking battle to save Peter from the influence of the Symbiote, it was a battle for Peter’s SOUL from the CORRUPTION of the Symbiote
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As much as I love Spiderverse Miles… Insomniac Miles would wipe the floor with him LOL. This was such an epic fight!
Sounds of the Bell 🔔 10:56 11:05
1:04/1:11 It's miles morales vs venomized spider man
What makes me mad is how smooth brained Peter's motivations are with the symbiote and how the writer made it seem like being recognkzed as the hero was all he cared about.
You misunderstand. The symbiote takes advantage of a person’s weakness and corrupts that person with it. Peter Parker deep down wished to be recognized for the hero he was but he always suppressed that feeling. The symbiote however unsuppressed it
@joshuawillis602 That doesn't sound like Peter's character at all. Heck, it sounds more like Mile's character would have made more sense with him being so young. Peter by this point has matured enough to where his inner demons such as anger, wrath, and vengevufleness should be his toxic traits, not giving 2 hoots about if he was being recognized.
@@j-dawg4774 of course that doesn’t sound like Peter. That’s because it’s a feeling he’s suppressed all these years. Meaning it’s in the deeper part of his mind. Everyone has insecurities even Peter. But he does a great job at suppressing it and being mature. However the symbiote brings out those dark feelings and makes Peter act like and say things he’d never say or do. His inner demons include insecurity. Peter had spent his entire heroic life as Spider-Man being called a menace and criminal. Peter got used to it of course but that doesn’t mean those feelings aren’t still present at the deep part of his mind.
This fight was just perfect
The most epic scene of Spiderman ripping venom off of him after so long!!!!
Hope you don't mind me saying, but the Symbiote boss fights are kinda like Shadows from Persona 4. True, they're a corrupting force, but they also bring out real personal problems from deep within. They're not just battles, they're essentially counseling sessions.
Persona 4 didnt invent fighting your inner demons
I feel bad for Peter, Venom made him Blame himself for May’s death and made him think that all of New York turned against him 😢
6:28 I ofc miles’ anime protagonist ass pulled a My hero academia reference mid fight lmao
Black-Suited Spider-Man: (while fighting Miles Morales) I am Symbiote Spider-Man! YOU ARE NOTHING!!!
“You think I’m the problem”👹
“I’m the solution”👹👹👹👹
Marvel spider-man 2 theory. 10:56
Symbiote Spider-man feels hurt after bell ringing
Venom mind control peter parker
That was very painful 🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕🤕
miles saving peter from the 19 inches has never been cooler
@carl9_11venom figurine was marketted with the phrase 'treat yourself to 19 inches of venom'
its actually 13.5 inches. it got measured
Don't know hey people are claiming Miles won this fight when neither of them did. It literally ended because Peter ripped the symbiote off after Miles exploited it's weakness.
Miles will absolutely become stronger than Peter in this verse, but this doesnt prove he's currently better than him.
This whole game proves who’s more powerful n it’s definitely miles
dont know if thats true or not but my point still stands. This fight in particular doesn't really prove miles is stronger than Peter.@@rosekaispam5422
Tbh I think they might be equals currently, Miles might have more powers then Peter, but (to my knowledge) he hasn’t had the amount of experience Peter has had, and plus adding on to what you said, I don’t think Pete was fighting like he does in the game, the suit has him perform more simplistic and brutal moves due to heightened aggression. In a real fight? I’m not sure, but it could definitely go either way or just lead to a tie, as while Peter has more experience, Miles has more tools to work with, but if that ever happens I hope Insomniac allows us to play it and choose which one we want to play as.
Miles fanboys grasping at straws for validation. Lol
Miles will never outclass Peter. Peters abilitys are much stronger.
Spiderman being a MONSTER! 🕷 0:42 0:57 1:04 3:26 6:49
Inner Voice 👿 1:18 4:12 4:17
0:33 Might as well say daddy 💀🤦🏻♂️
Man this fight was amazing
“ yeah you don’t even answer my calls “ ☠
And what about MJ? You could've killed her!
Mentor vs student.
9:11 when you try to put down your phone
Who gives a shit who wins? What matters was the emotional intensity behind this fight between two BEST FRIENDS!
XD Peter just went all Jujutsu kaisen and used domain expansion.
I thought Peter will betray Miles at the end of the game leading to a Part 2 of the game when people kept saying Peter and Miles will fight each other.
Since nobody understands, Nobody won the fight. Miles was able to convince peter to take the suit off. Miles did not knock peter out or anything, all he did was use the bell to weaken him and tried convincing him to take it off.
By that very logic, that means Miles won as he got Peter back, which he wanted. He wanted to help Peter to stop being more and more like venom. Mind you, it wasnt till Miles was giving Peter the Bakugo that Peter started to come round to what Miles was saying. For the first half of the fight, Peter was clinging to the venom suit like his life depended on it
@BIGTHANKSHEESH when I say nobody won, I mean miles did not ko peter. And peter did not ko miles. The both have their strengths.
@Indy921 that's still a win, KO or not. Miles got the upper hand to reach out to Peter one more time, and Peter had to heed what Miles said and take off the suit. Miles won, one way or another, and it didn't need to be physically winning
@@BIGTHANKSHEESH that's kinda what I meant.
@@Indy921 oh, ok
I don't care what nobody said the only reason why Peter Symbiote Spider-Man was getting whooped by Kraven and Miles was because Peter was still holding back his true powerful strength and Venoms true power Strength we know what happens when Spider-Man is not holding back like any other true powers out there in the game world
Lol 😂😂😂 cope he got beaten like a b
@@mangakdramagamer1153 yeah due to the conveniently placed bell
@@mangakdramagamer1153 also if miles stopped ringing the bell he would have died no ques it was a stalemate at best
@@user43597Miles just destroyed him, what about bell?😂
@darkshadow3057 he used the bell to stalemate him in the fight didn't you see
Idk but I’m surprised the symbiote actually reacts in pain from a human bite 0:42
The last cutscene the screen went black i assume because I killed him with a finisher or something
This scene is for me a pure demonstration of how Miles represents a sincere version of a Spider-Man. He doesn’t loose sight of his responsibilities and cold-blood in a very deep desperate situation where his friend and mentor is about to loose his own identity and decline his entire existence in a dark symbiote but he’s still nonetheless helping him and figuring out a solution for his sanity and the sake of all New-York.
All over the game when Peter was about to loose his mind into darkness, loose his life or dive into sorrow, Miles was the light that afford him to see and clear up the path for a way out.
Miles Morales is clearly the best character of this game for me, he depicts a pure version of a Spider-Man !
Miles is a great character but you clearly lack an understanding of Peter. The symbiote having such an effect on him shows how much sadness and anger he has been holding back for all these years. He has lost almost everything. Peter let his aunt die, his last parental figure who stood by him his whole life, to save everyone else. Saying he’s a lesser spider-man is disrespectful af. Peter Parker and Bruce Wayne are 2 of the most strongest willed comic book characters, these guys stand by their morals and hold everything back every day for years despite everything that they have faced
@@A.H.goose1 I don’t think I lack comprehension of Peter Parker but I agree that for the semantic choice I made an inaccuracy. I wouldn’t not say “better” from a moral and ethical point of view but rather a “sincere” or “pure” version of Spidey : When Miles was about to abandoned the victims for Martin Li ; His supposed last words to Martin Li “I can never forgive you […]” or even the small dialogue detail of the fight “You don’t even answer my calls anymore man !”
All of these details show to me that Miles knows how to not deny his own feelings but also not let them take the lead in detriment of his responsibilities while Peter just accumulated sorrows, pain and stuff for years until a breaking point where the Symbiote took advantage of this and control him in his entirety.
P-S : Actually why not Peter Parker wouldn’t be a lesser version of Spider-Man ? Since compared to Miles Morales he has less ability and power potential due to Miles bioelectricity that hard counters symbiote like the fight shows it. Even him was about to abandoned himself to the symbiote’s strength in order to be “A better Spider-Man” like he said to Dr.Connors. He implies by himself that his power isn’t enough to be stronger.
'all over the game' = just this time and the other night. Miles just met peter in symbiote 3 times (the first one chazing lizard, the night when peter was asleep and that fight lol)
When Peter was sad about Aunt May's death, when Miles revived Harry, hmm what's again ? When he was in his mind with Li and many other situation I forgot.Before making fun of other's saying just make sure you are consistent with yourself @@Paulinho_66
dude your analyse is great and i wish the game had a bit more of content to show more of those personality traits from peter that we, as fans, can get the message but as a game they could have a bit more content to expose more of this. Like the mission with harry on school... sure, we can get (by movies and other medias how they are best friends) that they are very close by their first interation but that flashback mission helps to establish that. Symbiote peter on the other hand we don't really have a moment in the game that he shows his inner demons through the symbiote, it seems like he is angry just because of the symbiote and that's it. @@lucitheos1541
Black-Suited Spider-Man: Who dares to challenge me?!!
It’s so cool how Miles was able to beat a Symbiote Peter, just goes to show how much he’s grown.
Sometimes I don't understand the game as to why Kraven the Hunter wants to be killed by the Symbiote what was his purpose
Kraven wanted to die a warrior's death instead of dying old age ig?
Thumbnail looks like miles is enjoying Peter
And now people will know why people will never fight a angry and depressed spider man
Except Venom and Carnage they casually smite angered Spider-Man.😂😂
Why is it that miles is getting choke slammed this year?
3:38
Idk 😂
This is not Miles' year but at the same time it is 😂
4:03 to 4:21 Lovin these lines
And the student surpasses the teacher. Peter must be extremely proud.
How does peter ripping off the symbiote mean that miles surpassed peter
@@Indy921If anything. The post game credit cutscene was when pete officially confirmed miles surpassed him from student to equal
IM THE SOLUTION!
Kraven freaky asf😂
The backlash bout to be crazy
“They made the real Spider-Man weak to make the fake one look good! Ruined!”
😂
@@startmircathere is no fake or real one. Wtf are you talking about
ironically... if i ever hear a backlash of this.. i would've thought it's just one of J. Jonah Jameson's comment considering how absurd it's gonna be.
miles is trash. His movies got carried hard by the other spider people and peter's villain. You think his movies would be succesful if it was a solo miles movie with his original villain? Nobody wants to see miles except a few. They want to see peter and the other spider people. And It's pathetic really that miles needs peter's villain in his movie instead of using his original villain. Because they know it will flop. Just look at miles morales game, it sold less than spider man ps4.
Even some poles had people voting miguel with 86% over miles 14%. And people are more hyped about venom in the atsv part 2 than miles
3:29 i feel Dejavu 😅
Peter lost his spider senses apparently
Take notes, Marvel Studios. This is what needs to happen in the Tom Holland Spider-Man films when he bonds with the Venom symbiote. What I would love to see is after all the devastating destruction Symbiote Suit Spider-Man unleashes on Damage Control and the Daily Bugle, he would save Agent Cleary and Jameson for last as he beats both of them to a bloody pulp, only until the last second realizes what he’s doing is wrong and he leaves them both bruised, broken, and bleeding as he decides to remove the symbiote suit.
Bruh Miles cannot catch a break this year huh
Peter fought many times against stronger enemies using his intellect, that's why Miles did the same using the bell, he also had an internal fight recently about Li, and he was trying to save his mentor without hurting him too much, he held back and won legitimately. , has more potential than Peter and he showed that throughout the game, don't be ardent fans of Peter, this is so true and Peter is aware of it, that he left the mantle of Spiderman to Miles for a while.
@@richardbarton5910 wow, lower your nerves a little bro, speaking that way you show that you are not a man, have more self-control, and accept that Peter is falling behind, he himself recognizes that Miles can handle the city while he retires for a while, he even thanks him for saving his life several times (and clearly vice versa).
@@richardbarton5910Keep crying 😂
@@andresalvaro781Some notable versions of Spider-Man include Hobie Brown, Flash Thompson, Kaine Parker, Mattie Franklin, and Mac Gargan. While these characters may have their own unique powers and abilities, Peter Parker is still considered the most powerful Spider-Man due to his unwavering dedication to power and responsibility.Jul 28, 2023
@@captain2s404Some notable versions of Spider-Man include Hobie Brown, Flash Thompson, Kaine Parker, Mattie Franklin, and Mac Gargan. While these characters may have their own unique powers and abilities, Peter Parker is still considered the most powerful Spider-Man due to his unwavering dedication to power and responsibility.Jul 28, 2023
That is such a horrible way to put it. It's called be greater together, not be greater miles. They're equals and if people can't see that, then they should play the game again because clearly they didn't understand.
1:04/1:11It's miles morales vs venomized spider man
this part of the game was so good but i’m not gonna lie, i got so pissed since i kept dying to peter
6:29 easter eggs: symbiote peter with that face looks like the og comic symbiote spider man suit
This is the reason why I like my boi Miles Morales more than the original spider man, he has the big advantage against the symbiote. I'm now more of a Miles Morales fan. The battle was epic and emotional,
Also this mini boss battle reminds me of sonic vs shadow
Now the city thinks I’m the problem YOU THINK I’M THE PROBLEM not anymore I’M THE SOLUTION Amy favorite part ever
*Symbiote Spidey strangles Kraven*
*Kraven:* Harder
*Spidey stops immediately*
*Peter:* Hold up. What?
*Venom:* The fuck?
Bro unleashed his inner bakugo 6:28
Seen some anime moves in there, ui hoku ki wave surf and bakugo air slam
Hold up
Hey piccolo! This guy needs DODGE training!
Miles beat Peter cause of gameplay reasons 😂 I know Miles has the Venom abilities and camouflage, but let's be honest, in this battle Peter has the Symbiote which enhances his strength and resistance(not to mention over 6-7 years of experience as Spidey, and the Symbiote makes him immune to Miles Spider sense), Miles beat him cause he was holding back and not to mention he had a giant bell to produces the main weakness of symbiotes.