I think Michael would have been far better off if Apolonia had lived. She had a better understanding of old world Sicily. Having been directly affected by war, poverty, vendettas, and organized crime, Apolonia would have understood Michael in a way Kay never could. The two would have had at least 4 kids by now. She would have kept her family firm and strong throughout the chaos, the way Michael's Mom had done.
Appolonia dying was the biggest hit to the family dynasty. She would have pumped out kids for michael non stop and not challenge him regarding his business.
No, because the writer would have just brought here over to the USA and Michael would have been the same, LOL. After all, he was the writers vision, but I understand your point, in the real world if he was a REAL PERSON.
Firstly, Michael would've been bored with Apollonia within a year. Secondly, Kay is the one who knew the real Michael. The real Michael never wanted to be godfather after all. Michael was working to make the Corleone family legitimate, so he could be done with this Mafia life. But all he was doing was losing more and more of his soul and humanity.
@@vinniemoran7362 Firstly, Kay never knew the real Michael. She never truly knew his upbringing, his lineage, or the inner workings of his mind. How could she, when not even he knew? Apollonia was far closer to him because they have the same old country heritage, values, and traditions. The main reason he returned to Kay was his yearning for a family of his own. But he never got over losing Appolonia. Secondly, no way would Michael have been bored with Apollonia within a year, like some FWB he met through Tinder. He followed the old tradition of courtship which in itself took months. That combined with their time of marriage was already well over a year.
I don't think Michael mistreated Tom by excluding him from certain aspects of the business, I always felt he was protecting him from the darker parts of it. Michael loved Tom like a brother.
The book makes it clear it was Vito's idea and not Michael's. And reason for that was that they were planning to go legit. They didn't want Tom Hagen's name connected with anything shady because when they went legit, he would be their main guy for everything
@@harish123az Yeah, I didn't read the book but by the first film's end, they made noise about going to Vegas and being legit, but you explained it perfectly. It's funny to think as massively successful as Godfather was, the studio balked at the idea of a sequel and never intended to make it happen. In those times, they thought a sequel would be a dud because "nobody wants to see the same story twice."
He also needed Tom unsullied in order to be the new, legitimate face of the family. It was a HUGE position of trust and responsibility, especially for someone who wasn't "family"-family (even if still an adopted brother).
Vito didn't actually want a truce. He said there was a truce as long as he was alive, but he was planning their deaths with Michael the whole time, for when he died and Michael took over. The ending of Godfather 1 was just as much Vito's plan as it was Michael's.
I always loved the flashback and the final end shot of Michael. Michael had achieved so much more than his father in regards to wealth, power and influence but in the end he lost EVERYTHING that was important to his father. A final shot of one of the most powerful men on the planet, but isolated and alone. A family reduced to tatters.
that's the price everyone could pay running after material things... Family, Love, Peace with God can't be bought with money... a Person who believes in God would say ''He did too much and lost everything'' but someone who doesn't believe in God would say ''he didn't do enough, and he complains about the years he lost trying so''
Michael inherited his father's intelligence but didn't inherit his heart. No doubt this is in part because Vito came from nothing and could understand the hardships of everyday people while the Corleone children grew up with everything. Vito put a lot of faith in Michael to do better than him but would be disappointed to see how ruthless Michael has become and the destruction of the family.
Vito's heart is what almost gets him killed and makes him lose control of the family. He wouldn't do business with Sollozzo because he thought his business was too dirty. Michael himself was good hearted until his father was almost murdered. The Godfather saga shows how organized crime eventually robs you of your humanity. Those who try to stop the fall get killed or pushed aside.
They brought Frank's brother into court to make him remember that you *never* go against family. If you did that in Sicily you would become an enemy to the family and his brother gave him that stare "Are you really going to go against the most sacred union we've honored for generations?". By bringing him Michael prevented Frank from testifying and breaking the code in front of his own family. Also you probably didn't notice, when hugging Fredo, Michael gave his right-hand man the look "Now's the time".
I've been binge watching your channel the last couple of days and I have to say you guys are one of the best reactors on youtube. Your reactions are always honest and genuine with insights that are thought provoking. Thanks.
You both pay better attention and in discussing the movie, you two "get it" better than any other reaction channel I have seen. It is truly a pleasure to watch. Thank you.
This was a great movie. They showed us Vito’s life to contrast it with Michael’s. Vito was poor, but built his way up. He became powerful, but it wasn’t money that made him powerful. He made endearing relationships with people and he was respected. Michael, however, is a powerful figure. He’s got other powerful people by his side. But he’s not respected. He’s feared. Slowly, the people he loves and trusts are evaporating from his life
This is not correct. Vito also ruled by fear. I guess everyone just forgot that the people who supposedly respected Vito so much tried to assassinate him in the street! :) Which is what set this whole thing off. Vito had respect for the number of years he had been in the business. But it only takes a few ambitious people to turn all that around. Michael, too, would have the same level of respect if he made it to his father's age and was still in the business. But we see Michael at a different point in the journey, when there are threats all around. We don't really see Vito's life in the Mafia, other than the beginning and the end. The middle probably looked much like Michael's life looked like.
listening to the two of you analyzing the plot twists and evaluating Michael was so refreshing , i have seen this series literally dozens of times but watching your reaction brings a revitalization to an old favorite . thank you so much .
Wow, thank you! we were quite scared to release our inner instinct towards commenting during reactions... we thought many will dislike it... but you are amoung couple of people who really like it! thank you
@@MJoy4Fun your reactions come across as honest and sincere and that is what puts your channel up there with the best of the reaction channels ,this is not meant as a compliment only fact . i don' believe you two have any idea how much fun you bring to your audience, we are the ones who should be saying THANK YOU
Nope. Vito also ruled by fear. We see him after a lifetime of killing and putting down his enemies (almost all off-screen, except for his first kill). He was willing to share the spoils with other families, but then they got too ambitious and thought they would take it all. They were almost successful and would have been if not for Michael saving his father's empire.
@@crowfeedreactions right? I don't understand that respect bs people talk about, Vito was feared as well, and he also acted for his own interests, not only for the family, to me the events that happen in the second movie are also his fault, he created an empire but didn't properly prepare any of his children and when he died everything went downhill because the one brother who had stayed out of the business his whole life had to take over, if the things that happened to michael (a brother's betrayal, the abortion) had happened to Vito he would have had the same reactions, you can't preach "family" when Michael killed Fredo and not do the same when Fredo betrayed Michael which could've resulted on his death, that's hypocrite
Vito’s calmness made them fear and respect him, he was really wise while Michael was young and all crazy compared to him but he changes as a person as he got older in the third but his past’s mistakes catches him up sadly
I am Italian-American and grew up watching The Godfather & The Godfather II with my family so many times. I know both movies word by word, inside and out and I have to say that you both did a great job reacting to both movies and figuring out the story as well as understanding the characters. Bravo!
Really liked watching this with you two, seen it a dozen times but it's great to see others pick up the nuances; Michael was not like his Father after all, whom was a man of respect and who cherished family, not just his own but all families from the old country. Michael turned to violence, terror and revenge and isolated himself from his family and lost all his only trusted friends, he became emperor of a crime empire he inherited yet he himself becomes responsible for tearing it down from the inside.
We don't see Vito being truly ruthless in 1933 during the Post Prohibition war. Which eventually created the 5 families of New YOrk. This is what Godfather 3 was supposed to be, but it got sidelines and Coppola eventually decided to finish the story of Michael Corleone instead.
Fredo's lifeless body in the bobbing boat with the golden horizon in the background... forever one of my favourite movie shots. It looks as if it was taken straight from a painting.
Beautiful! Watching you watching Godfather 2 gave me the same glorious feeling of watching it again, for the very first time! Hands down, the most genuine and thoughtful reaction to this classic I’ve watched and I’ve watched many many. 5-star
The man Michael looked at when he was embracing Fredo was his main bodyguard Al Neri who in the novel was a former Italian-American policeman who had taken the law into his own hands and was fired from the police department. And in the scene it clearly shows Michael after his mother's death was now designing to murder his brother for his betrayal. After his troubles with the police Neri turned ruthless and went to work for the mob. The actor who portrayed him Richard Bright was a longtime acting colleague of Al Pacino who had been in performances opposite Pacino numerous times when they were struggling actors. The most notable of them was "The Panic in Needle Park" an earlier vehicle in which Pacino revealed his great talent. He died in Feb. 2006 at the age of 68 when a tour bus struck him in a crosswalk in the upper west side of Manhattan. He most often played thugs, cops, drug addicts and other desperate New York types.
I love the way you guys react and discuss stuff, debate stuff. You both have great eyes and ears, and even when you're wrong about where you think the movie is going to go, it's always interesting what you are thinking!
Michael needed Apollonia in his life. He would have easily been a family man and happy with her and would have easily been able to be warm to others. Her death just turned him completely cold and calculating. Great reaction guys!
Gratulations that you immediately knew how Michael realized Fredo was the traitor. You would be surprised how many viewers missed that passing comment. (myself included I have to admit)
Michael came back from Sicily for three reasons: 1. Apollonia was killed in a booby trap set for him. 2. He had been warned already that his enemies knew he was there and it was too dangerous to stay. 3. He knew Sonny had been killed. He had to come back to help what was left of his family. As for Kay, he didn’t love her. He needed her.
can't say it better! Michael had Balls i'll give him that. sad story for Kay... but she saw how he was.. she had a choice.. when he almost like beg her to marry him, she had a choice
Michael to Kay: “You were all that I loved & valued MOST in the world. I still love you Kay, don’t dread me. Every night I dream about you and how I lost you.” Al Pacino: “Michael loved Kay when he met her and he loved her throughout his life and he loves her to this day. He not only loved her but also admires her.” Random Internet clown Griegg: “Michael never loved Kay.”
Michael didn’t marry Kay until he needed her. She bought his lies, knew how to behave, and could bear him children. That last quality of hers came in handy when his wife had been killed. Apollonia never would have had an abortion, or protested “this Sicilian thing…” Neither would have her Sicilian family. I didn’t read the book, but the book is irrelevant because the film is being discussed here, not the book. The first two films, masterpieces both, were the only ones of significant value. No additional sequels were needed or intended. Pacino does in fact love Keaton, but Michael disowned Kay for her abortion in the second film. That not love; it’s bitter and permanent resentment.
@@Griegg Yikes. Mike was already engaged to Kay at the beginning of the movie and novel. The characters are based on the novel and you are talking about something that happened in the first movie. Only a moron would say it is irrelevant to the movie. That quote was about Kay and Michael from Pacino. Has nothing to do with Keaton. Just admit you are wrong. How about you Mario Puzo and Coppola mentioning that Kay is Michael’s one true love in the script, screenplay and interviews? Will you believe then? After all you are an Internet rando and you surely wouldn’t insist to know more than the author, director, actor and the character himself? If you do then you are delusional. Already proved so by trying to dismiss what is said in the movie by Michael himself and then by Al Pacino in an official interview. Just say you were wrong and go.
i love how you guys have so much respect for each other. you listen. you mill over what you've heard and then process. it's good conversation. i bet you'd be great dinner companions.
English is obviously your second language, but you guys put together a better examination of this film than most people whose English is their first language. 👋
It was never Frank Pantangelo who was the traitor, and Michael never thought it was. He just wanted him to tolerate the Rozzato brothers because he wanted to stop Roth from thinking he was on to him. The Rozzato brothers just told Frank it was Michael who ordered his death to torture him mentally before killing him.
@@rich_t It's weird, but I wasn't ever confused by that line. It was a kiss-off line. I never once thought Michael was ordering Frank to be killed. Frank was obviously loyal and you could tell that because he always said what he thought and never held back on Michael. A traitor would be more slippery, less confrontational in order to ensure he wasn't looked upon as a possible threat (like Michael was to Hyman Roth, for example).
Many say that when Michael showed up with Frank's brother, Frank changed his story to save his brother's life. I don't believe that. I think it was more that his brother was brought to show his intense shame at his brother being a rat. In the mafia, the law of "omerta" was king. Everyone went by it. It was a code of silence. It was meant that no one ever testifies or rats to the cops. Always look the other way. It was the unspoken rule. And Frank was breaking it. His brother was like "What the hell are you doing, Frank?". I don't believe it was like, "We have your brother and will kill him". Frank changed his story due to the shame.
No I believe micheal wouldn't hesitate to put a hit on both of em because he killed his own brother. But I do belive on the other topic as well in Sicily the mob truly uphold the oremta as their pride of loyalty so if and when micheal makes up his mind Frankie's whole family could be shamed back in Sicily.
U got that wrong sir. He loved his family. He just was not interested in being a criminal, but when his family was attacked he stepped up and saved the fam.
It was enjoyable watching intelligent people react to this intelligent movie. The Godfather trilogy involves the viewer in the complex world of these criminal organizations with their plots and plans within plans. Your debates and speculations about what was going on and why were reasonable and just like what many of us did when seeing it for the first time. The rise and fall of Michael Corleone is a great modern tragedy and a gripping story. Thanks for the genuineness of your reactions. Hope your channel continues to grow.
When Michael was in the bedroom looking out what he saw was the flash of light from the guns being fired. It travels much faster than the bullets. With his combat experience from the war he immediately hit the deck and crawled to cover. I don't know if at relatively close range like this must have been, whether there would be time to duck before the bullets came through the window, but that is what he saw.
My parents were just like Michael and Kay - dad was 1st generation Sicilian-American, mom was Scots-Irish-American Wasp from a Kentucky dirt farm. They also met at the very end of WWII. The culture gap was immense - the marriage was a phenomenal failure ending in divorce after 17 years. Puzo and Coppola captured a very sad but true dynamic in the aftermath of the war.
The slap. I'm a 55 yr old woman and Michael Corleone had EVERY right to slap the crap out of Kay. She married into the family. She knew what she was getting into. She should have said I'll wait for you till you get straight in business, then marry him. Remember Italian Mafia, especially in those days were STRONG CATHOLICS and that's a big no no. She did it also to hurt him, she knew what she was doing. Knowing Michael, she's damn lucky slap her is all he did.
I really enjoyed your reactions for both of the Godfathers, you both followed the characters and the plot amazingly well! This movie series is one of my favorites of all time. React to the third!
Its a complex story but you guys did a good job getting through it and figuring the story out- Good Job I really enjoyed your reaction and how you two contributed with each other - Great!!!!
Awesome reaction guys! I really do like how Godfather 2 is more complex than the original. Goes from a family drama of a father passing on the mantle to his son, to the story of the corruption of the American Dream. From the humble beginnings and rise of Vito to the slow decay and destruction of Michael. Showing the roots of how close knit and family orientated Vito was to the more distant and corporate minded Michael was despite how much he tried to be like his father. Its just as Michael said when he was talking to his mother "times are changing." The people who immigrated to America simply for a better life have descended into people of greed. I highly doubt family orientated people like Vito would have travelled to Cuba and sat through those boring meetings with strangers. Its natural that the story ends here hence why we never got another film after this for such a long time. Cos it was meant to be the end. What else is there to tell? Michael is doomed to go down a path of isolation as he always was an outsider. And we completed the backstory of how Vito became The Godfather. The story is complete. The ultimate epic tragedy, of the rise and fall of the Corleone Family.
You all are fantasticm i love your discussions throughout the reaction. You come from a different point of of view and its cool to see/hear your thoughts
I'm glad you guys are enjoying The Godfather Trilogy. It's always captivating to see the reactions of the people who watch the series for the first time. The Godfather is the essence of so many knowledge, and I personally apply some of them in daily life and business, not in criminal way, of course. Honor, Loyalty, Perseverance, Vigilance ..
@@MJoy4Fun HAHAHA!!! must be quiet and unasumming before the cat POUCES!!! "Cat, do you renounce kitty litter?" (capo regime cats attacking one of the neighborhood cats) "I renounce kitty litter."
Definitely one of the greatest sequels ever made. It is arguably the best but can be debated by a handful of other sequels. Aliens (1986) , Terminator 2 (1991), and The Empire Strikes back (1980) as well.
Michael plays Roth and Frank simultaneously but it was Roth who had tried to kill MIchael and then who ultimately tries to kill Frank and tells his guys the Rosato brothers, to say that it was a gift from Michael so when Michael goes on trial, Frank is going to witness against him because he thinks Michael tried to kill him..... Then when he realizes his crime boss brother from Italy is in town he is scared because they are not going to forgive him if he turns on the family. Then Tom goes to see Frank in prison to let him know that Michael will care for his family if he goes ahead and kills himself.
I've watched lots of other reactors but I really like the way you guys frame the pics and the video. I like the way you think and discuss points but also let it flow. Smart couple.
It was Hyman Roth who gave the order to kill Frank Pentangeli, though he had set up the scene so cleverly, making it look like Michael gave the order. Roth wanted to break Michael's bond with his closest most trustworthy allies.
I really like your reactions. You two really get into the movie and make intelligent observations. So refreshing compared to most people that watch movies and make faces as if that is an intelligent reaction.
Another great reaction by you guys. I love how you both bounce ideas off each other to figure out the intricacies of what's happening (although I might be throwing popcorn at you if you did it in a theater 😃). You're fun to watch because you get it. About Fredo. If you remember in the first movie when Michael went to Las Vegas to try to force Moe Green to sell his casino Fredo defended Green. Michael warned Fredo never to take sides against the family again. That's how you knew Fredo was doomed after Michael found out he was the traitor. John Cazale, the actor who played Fredo, had an interesting, although ultimately tragic life. He died of lung cancer in his early 40s and only made five pictures (both Godfathers, Dog Day Afternoon, The Conversation and The Deer Hunter). Every one of those pictures was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Picture and three of them won. His girlfriend, who stayed with him until he died, was Meryl Streep. For other classic films I still recommend Casablanca, which is usually included in Top Ten of all time movies like the Godfather and Airplane! for its quick paced jokes.
Marion was right on about how this movie is all about the subtle way Vito leads with logic, and Michael leads with anger, power, frustration. For me, the best part was the scene where Vito tracks the Evil Don on top of the roofs, that was STUNNING.
Exactly. Michael became EXACTLY who he needed to be in order to save the family. It's not what he wanted, it's not what his father wanted for him, but he was the only choice after Santino was killed and he took up that burden and he did his job. Truly heroic.
"The rent... stays... like before." Goosebumps. Every time. Loved this reaction vid by you both, especially the pausing to chit-chat. I hope you finish off the trilogy. To be fair, it is hard for an artist to replicate lightning in a bottle, but for story sake, I love the third instalment. I hope you finish it off with 1990's The Freshman, with Brando and Bruno Kirby in a cute is he/isn't he the godfather meta caper.
I'm not a fan of Godfather 3, it's okay but not great, but the new director's cut was at least better. I hope they watch that version than the theatrical one.
He told Frankie that Michael Corleone says hello to make him think Michael was the one behind his murder instead of Hyman Roth. And since frankie didnt die, that's why he's was going to testify against Michael.
This is, IMO, the greatest movie of all time. I am of half-Sicilian descent (my grandfather and grandmother - separately - immigrated to the U S from Sicily). I have visited my cousins near Messina. The scenery, family episodes and ambiance ring true even today. Though my family had only a filament of connection to the mafia (my great uncle was a lawyer ...) I understand the deep family connections. For most of your viewers like me, I believe our resemblance to these people center around family. That is the Italian (in general), and Sicilian (in particular), contribution to the structure of society in the USA. If you experience the Italian/Sicilian warmth, you will understand.
The Godfather is as much about family as it is organised crime, in The Godfather it was the fall of Vito(his death) and the rise of Michael. The Godfather 2 is the rise of Vito and a kind of fall of Michael. Michael lost his Mother, his Wife, his Son(abortion) and Fredo.
I think Michael in the story, was transformed by the death of his first wife, it killed much of his humanity and innocence, coming back from that, he appears much colder and ruthless. or was he always like that, the last scene showing him sitting alone at the family table in his youth failing to connect or relate to the others, is a sign of him being an outsider, bad circumstances later formed him into what he ultimately became...
He wasn't an outsider. His father PURPOSELY kept him apart, sending him to college when the other sons didn't go, keeping him out of the family business when the others were involved in it. It was Vito who had plans for Michael, not Michael's nature that caused him to be one step outside the family. He clearly loved his family though, enough that he would do anything, ANYTHING, so that they survived.
Okay, I have to point this out because it’s so subtle that everyone misses it: when Tom had that convo with Frank at the prison about the Roman Empire and how if you failed to assassinate the Emperor, you’d be given a chance to commit suicide to preserve your fortune, that was code. They were essentially saying that if Frank commits suicide, the Corleones won’t retaliate and go after his family. And the really subtle part is that when the convo was done and Tom shook Franks hand, Frank closed up his hand and put something in his pocket. Presumably that something was a razor blade that he later used to kill himself. Edit: just finished the vid and it looks like the figures out the meaning of the convo. Think the missed the “putting something in their pocket” part.
"IN MY HOME!!! IN MY BEDROOM, WHERE MY WIFE SLEEPS???" I think that outburst was mainly to test Frankie's reaction and read his face. If he really thought Pentangelli did it, he wouldn't have come personally, let alone without his men. It was that moment that he decided it must have been Roth. Frankie was a loyal soldier; not stupid, but not a schemer either. It wasn't his style.
I'm a Godfather fan but I never realised the thing you said at the end of the movie. That Michael never liked having family. And that made so much sense.
I love your reactions to the Godfather movies. Everyone I know has watched these movies multiple times. Each time you watch it you see something that you didn’t see before. These movies are classic and have won many awards. They are always topics of discussion.
I've always regretted that Vito doesn't accept the groceries from the store owner who had to let him go, it's just heartbreaking to see him standing there with the basket still in his arms. ;( But it makes sense both cinematically as it makes you remember the scene, and it also shows the character and personality of Vito, as his pride won't let him accept a pity gift.
A person who cannot accept charity, cannot be charitable. They will always look down on those who accept help. He would have considered it an obligation to be paid back, just like his policy as Don.
You guys are a lot of fun. I'm in my seventies, and I remember seeing these movies when I was about your age. Watching the movie with people new to the movie is great.
Marian and Joy.. you expose such relationship dynamics during the reaction video... it adds to the understanding and re-loving ths great movie The second Godfather film You're doing well
Godfather 2 is one of those rare sequels that's so good, it turns the original into a prequel after the fact. It's "The" Godfather, and "The Godfather" is like Godfather 0.5.
As much as I love Brando, Godfather 2 is a slightly better film IMO. It's more complex yet pulls it off beautifully, everyone is on point acting wise, the storylines are brilliant, and it expands upon everything great about the first. I mean I love Terminator 1 but T2 is a better flick IMO too.
When Marian said "Coz that's how he is." That's exactly it, Michael and his father faught this part of him his whole life. But in the end that is exactly how he is, down to his core.
I gotta be honest here and say that I normally don’t appreciate people pausing and talking about what they’re watching, especially this masterpiece, but you two have me transfixed with your questions and wonderment.
thank you so much! if we had watched this on theatre we couldn't dare talk but thankfully this is a reaction and we are glad we paused and discuss or else we gonna get lost in the plot.
In case you didn’t know, the bar scene where they try to kill Frank is an actual event! Carmine Persico tried to strangle Joe Gallos brother the same way
Great reaction. The bar scene with the attempted Pentangeli murder was based on a real life attempted murder of one of the Gallo Brothers, New York based mobsters from what was then known as the Profaci Family. The "Michael Corleone says hello!" line was improvised by the actor Danny Aiello. Coppola liked the line so left it in. It's important to remember that at THAT particular point in time Michael did NOT want Pentangeli dead. This would later change, obviously. As to why the character would say that there are at least two possibilities imo. (1) Hyman Roth lies to the Rosato Brothers and tells them that they have Michael's permission and (2) the character just likes mocking the victims he kills-similar to a murderer telling a religious person "Where is your God now?" as he kills him/her.
I love seeing this movie through their eyes. I grew up on this movie and love so much of it but seeing how they unpack so much of it on a first view where they don’t have the extra baggage of what life was like for Italians in the 50s likely even into the 70s.
I really hope you still do Godfather Part 3. I think it's important to watch to get the conclusion to this amazing series. The Godfather Part 2 is honestly one of the greatest films ever made though, no question... The first two movies were in a whole other league. But I really do have a love for Part III so I hope to see your reaction to that next :)
Remember Vito didn't want this life for Michael. And Michael goes to his mother and asks can a man lose his family. She says no. He says but times are changing. He loses his family even though he got into the business to protect it. Truly a tragic figure
My father had Vito's personality and we are Sicilian. He always told us not to be impressed with La Cosa Nostra or Mafia and to never participate run that life, but go to school and become a good person. I miss him and moma very much, and now I am an old man. I saw these movies when they first came out and knew some of the actors in real life. I think it was a masterpiece, and the director Francis Coppola is of course Sicilian so he knew how to interpret Mario Puzo's book "The Godfather". I remember family acting just like the movie and today there is no one, but in my life I was happy that I chose to help people instead of hurt them. It is better to have God and friends than to have money and power.
Sharp eyed viewers might notice some interesting cameo appearances in small roles: one of the FBI agents guarding Frank Pantagales is Harry Dean Stanton who would go on to play one of the doomed spacefarers in Ridley Scott's Alien and later still he starred as the treacherous Brain in John Carpenter's Escape From New York. Also, one of the Senator panelists in the Anti organized crime Senate hearings is the legendary King of indie film production Roger Corman, who gave Francis Ford Coppola his earliest breaks in the movie business- Coppola put him in the film as a personal honor/tribute. Other Corman alumni are known for putting him in small roles as a gesture of thanks- Joe Dante used him in The Howling (1980) and Jonathan Demme gave him a cameo part in Silence Of The Lambs. Roger Corman jump started the careers of many filmmakers and actors and remains a respected and beloved figure, both in Tinseltown and fandom circles. Many of the directors he helped and mentored are glad to pay him tribute with screen time in their own films.
I’m enjoying watching you both react to The Godfather trilogy. You guys pause it to debate, make points, and guess what’s going to happen. Yes, we see Michael go down a dark path. In GF3 you will see how all those dark deeds have affected Michael after all the years in between GF2 and GF3. The third film seems to be gaining acceptance since it’s release. It was criticized by critics. But honestly, they could not realistically live up to the high bar set by the first two films. But GF3 does a fine job of wrapping up the Corleone saga. In GF3 there are some good lines and a very somber “confession scene” that leaves the viewer sad for Michael. Looking forward to the next video.
It doesn’t live up to the first two movies, but people really exaggerate about how bad it is. It’s true that poor Sofia Coppola was not a professional caliber actress, but there are still plenty of good moments in it.
@@marcuscato9083 my mIn problem was al pacino himself. He seemed to forget who he was playing. I get the redemption aspect and all that, but his Michael corleone was almost unrecognizable. I thought the church plot was very good and Joe mantegna was great but little else for me.
Great reactions to both Godfather 1 and 2. it’s fun to watch you guys try and figure out everything like we did when watching for the first time. Before you take a look at godfather 3 you should watch Apocalypse Now also from the 70s. Another great Francis Ford Coppola Movie. Also recommend French Connection and Jaws.
yeeea! he got blinded on how to act against enemies, or how to find the next snitch.. he never trusted anyone. His Father gain Respect and trust, things that he couldn't have... instead he got. Feared and Despised
Really enjoyed both of you guys reactions. I enjoyed how involved you two were into Michael's way of thinking. And you guys were mostly right. The Godfather 3 is not as popular as Godfather 1 and 2 are but over time it has grown on me somewhat. It will be interesting to see you guys opinion's on The Godfather 3. Pay close attention to Connie's evolution in Godfather 3 as well! 😉 Enjoy!
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I think Michael would have been far better off if Apolonia had lived. She had a better understanding of old world Sicily. Having been directly affected by war, poverty, vendettas, and organized crime, Apolonia would have understood Michael in a way Kay never could. The two would have had at least 4 kids by now. She would have kept her family firm and strong throughout the chaos, the way Michael's Mom had done.
I agree!
Appolonia dying was the biggest hit to the family dynasty. She would have pumped out kids for michael non stop and not challenge him regarding his business.
No, because the writer would have just brought here over to the USA and Michael would have been the same, LOL. After all, he was the writers vision, but I understand your point, in the real world if he was a REAL PERSON.
Firstly, Michael would've been bored with Apollonia within a year. Secondly, Kay is the one who knew the real Michael. The real Michael never wanted to be godfather after all. Michael was working to make the Corleone family legitimate, so he could be done with this Mafia life. But all he was doing was losing more and more of his soul and humanity.
@@vinniemoran7362 Firstly, Kay never knew the real Michael. She never truly knew his upbringing, his lineage, or the inner workings of his mind. How could she, when not even he knew? Apollonia was far closer to him because they have the same old country heritage, values, and traditions.
The main reason he returned to Kay was his yearning for a family of his own. But he never got over losing Appolonia.
Secondly, no way would Michael have been bored with Apollonia within a year, like some FWB he met through Tinder.
He followed the old tradition of courtship which in itself took months. That combined with their time of marriage was already well over a year.
I don't think Michael mistreated Tom by excluding him from certain aspects of the business, I always felt he was protecting him from the darker parts of it. Michael loved Tom like a brother.
Yes! But on a smaller scale, Tom was much more valuable to Michael as his lawyer than his consigliere.
The book makes it clear it was Vito's idea and not Michael's. And reason for that was that they were planning to go legit. They didn't want Tom Hagen's name connected with anything shady because when they went legit, he would be their main guy for everything
@@harish123az Yeah, I didn't read the book but by the first film's end, they made noise about going to Vegas and being legit, but you explained it perfectly. It's funny to think as massively successful as Godfather was, the studio balked at the idea of a sequel and never intended to make it happen. In those times, they thought a sequel would be a dud because "nobody wants to see the same story twice."
He also needed Tom unsullied in order to be the new, legitimate face of the family. It was a HUGE position of trust and responsibility, especially for someone who wasn't "family"-family (even if still an adopted brother).
Yes! by keeping Tom outside Mike was protecting him. And in many ways Tom could never betray him because of it.
Vito didn't actually want a truce. He said there was a truce as long as he was alive, but he was planning their deaths with Michael the whole time, for when he died and Michael took over. The ending of Godfather 1 was just as much Vito's plan as it was Michael's.
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Bingo, Vito was a smart guy for sure
I always loved the flashback and the final end shot of Michael. Michael had achieved so much more than his father in regards to wealth, power and influence but in the end he lost EVERYTHING that was important to his father. A final shot of one of the most powerful men on the planet, but isolated and alone. A family reduced to tatters.
that's the price everyone could pay running after material things... Family, Love, Peace with God can't be bought with money... a Person who believes in God would say ''He did too much and lost everything'' but someone who doesn't believe in God would say ''he didn't do enough, and he complains about the years he lost trying so''
it's definitely a consequence
Michael inherited his father's intelligence but didn't inherit his heart. No doubt this is in part because Vito came from nothing and could understand the hardships of everyday people while the Corleone children grew up with everything. Vito put a lot of faith in Michael to do better than him but would be disappointed to see how ruthless Michael has become and the destruction of the family.
Kindness must skip a generation for Corleone men.
I think part of it is due to trauma from WW2. He was a decorated war hero iow he killed a lot of people before joining the Mafia.
Vito's heart is what almost gets him killed and makes him lose control of the family. He wouldn't do business with Sollozzo because he thought his business was too dirty. Michael himself was good hearted until his father was almost murdered. The Godfather saga shows how organized crime eventually robs you of your humanity. Those who try to stop the fall get killed or pushed aside.
@@michaeljames6817 Interesting point.
Michael also had it all put on him in short order, in addition to the fact he never wanted to be involved until his father was nearly assassinated.
They brought Frank's brother into court to make him remember that you *never* go against family. If you did that in Sicily you would become an enemy to the family and his brother gave him that stare "Are you really going to go against the most sacred union we've honored for generations?".
By bringing him Michael prevented Frank from testifying and breaking the code in front of his own family.
Also you probably didn't notice, when hugging Fredo, Michael gave his right-hand man the look "Now's the time".
They brought him there to give the message that if Pentangelli testified his brother would be killed.
I've been binge watching your channel the last couple of days and I have to say you guys are one of the best reactors on youtube. Your reactions are always honest and genuine with insights that are thought provoking. Thanks.
You both pay better attention and in discussing the movie, you two "get it" better than any other reaction channel I have seen. It is truly a pleasure to watch. Thank you.
And they stop and do not talk over the dialogue of the movie, that is a rare thing among reactors.
This was a great movie. They showed us Vito’s life to contrast it with Michael’s. Vito was poor, but built his way up. He became powerful, but it wasn’t money that made him powerful. He made endearing relationships with people and he was respected. Michael, however, is a powerful figure. He’s got other powerful people by his side. But he’s not respected. He’s feared. Slowly, the people he loves and trusts are evaporating from his life
This is not correct. Vito also ruled by fear. I guess everyone just forgot that the people who supposedly respected Vito so much tried to assassinate him in the street! :) Which is what set this whole thing off. Vito had respect for the number of years he had been in the business. But it only takes a few ambitious people to turn all that around. Michael, too, would have the same level of respect if he made it to his father's age and was still in the business. But we see Michael at a different point in the journey, when there are threats all around. We don't really see Vito's life in the Mafia, other than the beginning and the end. The middle probably looked much like Michael's life looked like.
listening to the two of you analyzing the plot twists and evaluating Michael was so refreshing , i have seen this series literally dozens of times but watching your reaction brings a revitalization to an old favorite . thank you so much .
Wow, thank you! we were quite scared to release our inner instinct towards commenting during reactions... we thought many will dislike it... but you are amoung couple of people who really like it! thank you
@@MJoy4Fun your reactions come across as honest and sincere and that is what puts your channel up there with the best of the reaction channels ,this is not meant as a compliment only fact . i don' believe you two have any idea how much fun you bring to your audience, we are the ones who should be saying THANK YOU
@@adamshame8980 you left us without words!! thank youuuu!!
Vito commands respect while Michael rules by fear. The film juxtaposed the rise and fall of the family empire.
Think if Appolonia had lived, Michael’s life would have been a lot easier.
Nope. Vito also ruled by fear. We see him after a lifetime of killing and putting down his enemies (almost all off-screen, except for his first kill). He was willing to share the spoils with other families, but then they got too ambitious and thought they would take it all. They were almost successful and would have been if not for Michael saving his father's empire.
@@crowfeedreactions right? I don't understand that respect bs people talk about, Vito was feared as well, and he also acted for his own interests, not only for the family, to me the events that happen in the second movie are also his fault, he created an empire but didn't properly prepare any of his children and when he died everything went downhill because the one brother who had stayed out of the business his whole life had to take over, if the things that happened to michael (a brother's betrayal, the abortion) had happened to Vito he would have had the same reactions, you can't preach "family" when Michael killed Fredo and not do the same when Fredo betrayed Michael which could've resulted on his death, that's hypocrite
Vito’s calmness made them fear and respect him, he was really wise while Michael was young and all crazy compared to him but he changes as a person as he got older in the third but his past’s mistakes catches him up sadly
I love your reactions. I like how you pause the movie to talk instead of talking over the dialogue. Can’t wait to see more movies with you.
I am Italian-American and grew up watching The Godfather & The Godfather II with my family so many times. I know both movies word by word, inside and out and I have to say that you both did a great job reacting to both movies and figuring out the story as well as understanding the characters. Bravo!
Really liked watching this with you two, seen it a dozen times but it's great to see others pick up the nuances; Michael was not like his Father after all, whom was a man of respect and who cherished family, not just his own but all families from the old country. Michael turned to violence, terror and revenge and isolated himself from his family and lost all his only trusted friends, he became emperor of a crime empire he inherited yet he himself becomes responsible for tearing it down from the inside.
We don't see Vito being truly ruthless in 1933 during the Post Prohibition war. Which eventually created the 5 families of New YOrk. This is what Godfather 3 was supposed to be, but it got sidelines and Coppola eventually decided to finish the story of Michael Corleone instead.
Fredo's lifeless body in the bobbing boat with the golden horizon in the background... forever one of my favourite movie shots.
It looks as if it was taken straight from a painting.
Al Pacino performance here is amazing, one of the best acting on history and he deserve the Oscar
He absolutely deserved the Oscar, and hard to believe looking back that ART CARney won, ARt was fine but that was not even in the class of A Pacino
Beautiful! Watching you watching Godfather 2 gave me the same glorious feeling of watching it again, for the very first time!
Hands down, the most genuine and thoughtful reaction to this classic I’ve watched and I’ve watched many many. 5-star
You guys are great, I love your reactions. It's so cool to see the younger generation discover how great these movies are. Keep up the good work!
I was born in 95 and i’ve been watching/studying these flicks since i was about 12 years old .
Ok, I already know what should be printed on your T shirts and hoodies merch once you start it up - “Game Over”! Lol 😝 You guys are fun to watch!
The man Michael looked at when he was embracing Fredo was his main bodyguard Al Neri who in the novel was a former Italian-American policeman who had taken the law into his own hands and was fired from the police department. And in the scene it clearly shows Michael after his mother's death was now designing to murder his brother for his betrayal. After his troubles with the police Neri turned ruthless and went to work for the mob. The actor who portrayed him Richard Bright was a longtime acting colleague of Al Pacino who had been in performances opposite Pacino numerous times when they were struggling actors. The most notable of them was "The Panic in Needle Park" an earlier vehicle in which Pacino revealed his great talent. He died in Feb. 2006 at the age of 68 when a tour bus struck him in a crosswalk in the upper west side of Manhattan. He most often played thugs, cops, drug addicts and other desperate New York types.
I love the way you guys react and discuss stuff, debate stuff. You both have great eyes and ears, and even when you're wrong about where you think the movie is going to go, it's always interesting what you are thinking!
Michael needed Apollonia in his life. He would have easily been a family man and happy with her and would have easily been able to be warm to others. Her death just turned him completely cold and calculating. Great reaction guys!
Gratulations that you immediately knew how Michael realized Fredo was the traitor. You would be surprised how many viewers missed that passing comment. (myself included I have to admit)
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Great reaction video, guys!
It's very engrossing to watch along with you.
(So much so - you've made me late!!)
Apolonia's death was the main tragedy of the story
Michael came back from Sicily for three reasons: 1. Apollonia was killed in a booby trap set for him. 2. He had been warned already that his enemies knew he was there and it was too dangerous to stay.
3. He knew Sonny had been killed. He had to come back to help what was left of his family.
As for Kay, he didn’t love her. He needed her.
can't say it better! Michael had Balls i'll give him that. sad story for Kay... but she saw how he was.. she had a choice.. when he almost like beg her to marry him, she had a choice
Michael to Kay: “You were all that I loved & valued MOST in the world. I still love you Kay, don’t dread me. Every night I dream about you and how I lost you.”
Al Pacino: “Michael loved Kay when he met her and he loved her throughout his life and he loves her to this day. He not only loved her but also admires her.”
Random Internet clown Griegg: “Michael never loved Kay.”
Michael didn’t marry Kay until he needed her. She bought his lies, knew how to behave, and could bear him children. That last quality of hers came in handy when his wife had been killed.
Apollonia never would have had an abortion, or protested “this Sicilian thing…” Neither would have her Sicilian family.
I didn’t read the book, but the book is irrelevant because the film is being discussed here, not the book.
The first two films, masterpieces both, were the only ones of significant value. No additional sequels were needed or intended.
Pacino does in fact love
Keaton, but Michael disowned Kay for her abortion in the second film. That not love; it’s bitter and permanent resentment.
@@Griegg Yikes. Mike was already engaged to Kay at the beginning of the movie and novel. The characters are based on the novel and you are talking about something that happened in the first movie. Only a moron would say it is irrelevant to the movie. That quote was about Kay and Michael from Pacino. Has nothing to do with Keaton. Just admit you are wrong.
How about you Mario Puzo and Coppola mentioning that Kay is Michael’s one true love in the script, screenplay and interviews? Will you believe then? After all you are an Internet rando and you surely wouldn’t insist to know more than the author, director, actor and the character himself? If you do then you are delusional. Already proved so by trying to dismiss what is said in the movie by Michael himself and then by Al Pacino in an official interview. Just say you were wrong and go.
The man who portrayed Hyman Roth is Lee Strasberg. He's an acclaimed acting teacher and coach and taught nearly every actor in the movie.
i love how you guys have so much respect for each other. you listen. you mill over what you've heard and then process.
it's good conversation.
i bet you'd be great dinner companions.
English is obviously your second language, but you guys put together a better examination of this film than most people whose English is their first language.
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It was never Frank Pantangelo who was the traitor, and Michael never thought it was. He just wanted him to tolerate the Rozzato brothers because he wanted to stop Roth from thinking he was on to him. The Rozzato brothers just told Frank it was Michael who ordered his death to torture him mentally before killing him.
That line confused everyone.
I think it was done more to throw off the audience.
@@rich_t It's weird, but I wasn't ever confused by that line. It was a kiss-off line. I never once thought Michael was ordering Frank to be killed. Frank was obviously loyal and you could tell that because he always said what he thought and never held back on Michael. A traitor would be more slippery, less confrontational in order to ensure he wasn't looked upon as a possible threat (like Michael was to Hyman Roth, for example).
I am so glad I clicked and decided to give this reaction a chance.. you guys are awesome
Many say that when Michael showed up with Frank's brother, Frank changed his story to save his brother's life. I don't believe that. I think it was more that his brother was brought to show his intense shame at his brother being a rat. In the mafia, the law of "omerta" was king. Everyone went by it. It was a code of silence. It was meant that no one ever testifies or rats to the cops. Always look the other way. It was the unspoken rule. And Frank was breaking it. His brother was like "What the hell are you doing, Frank?". I don't believe it was like, "We have your brother and will kill him". Frank changed his story due to the shame.
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No I believe micheal wouldn't hesitate to put a hit on both of em because he killed his own brother. But I do belive on the other topic as well in Sicily the mob truly uphold the oremta as their pride of loyalty so if and when micheal makes up his mind Frankie's whole family could be shamed back in Sicily.
@@bigounce5893 Yeah I think it was a bit of both
U got that wrong sir. He loved his family. He just was not interested in being a criminal, but when his family was attacked he stepped up and saved the fam.
You guys have such good observational skills man. I will definitely watch more of your reactions ba.
It was enjoyable watching intelligent people react to this intelligent movie. The Godfather trilogy involves the viewer in the complex world of these criminal organizations with their plots and plans within plans. Your debates and speculations about what was going on and why were reasonable and just like what many of us did when seeing it for the first time. The rise and fall of Michael Corleone is a great modern tragedy and a gripping story. Thanks for the genuineness of your reactions. Hope your channel continues to grow.
I love your reactions I am 70 now and retired You two help keep me company thank you from Canada
Man, your analysis and observations on this was really profound. You understood it so well.
When Michael was in the bedroom looking out what he saw was the flash of light from the guns being fired. It travels much faster than the bullets. With his combat experience from the war he immediately hit the deck and crawled to cover. I don't know if at relatively close range like this must have been, whether there would be time to duck before the bullets came through the window, but that is what he saw.
My parents were just like Michael and Kay - dad was 1st generation Sicilian-American, mom was Scots-Irish-American Wasp from a Kentucky dirt farm. They also met at the very end of WWII. The culture gap was immense - the marriage was a phenomenal failure ending in divorce after 17 years. Puzo and Coppola captured a very sad but true dynamic in the aftermath of the war.
The slap. I'm a 55 yr old woman and Michael Corleone had EVERY right to slap the crap out of Kay. She married into the family. She knew what she was getting into. She should have said I'll wait for you till you get straight in business, then marry him. Remember Italian Mafia, especially in those days were STRONG CATHOLICS and that's a big no no. She did it also to hurt him, she knew what she was doing. Knowing Michael, she's damn lucky slap her is all he did.
I really enjoyed your reactions for both of the Godfathers, you both followed the characters and the plot amazingly well! This movie series is one of my favorites of all time. React to the third!
Its a complex story but you guys did a good job getting through it and figuring the story out- Good Job
I really enjoyed your reaction and how you two contributed with each other - Great!!!!
Awesome reaction guys!
I really do like how Godfather 2 is more complex than the original. Goes from a family drama of a father passing on the mantle to his son, to the story of the corruption of the American Dream.
From the humble beginnings and rise of Vito to the slow decay and destruction of Michael. Showing the roots of how close knit and family orientated Vito was to the more distant and corporate minded Michael was despite how much he tried to be like his father. Its just as Michael said when he was talking to his mother "times are changing." The people who immigrated to America simply for a better life have descended into people of greed. I highly doubt family orientated people like Vito would have travelled to Cuba and sat through those boring meetings with strangers.
Its natural that the story ends here hence why we never got another film after this for such a long time. Cos it was meant to be the end. What else is there to tell? Michael is doomed to go down a path of isolation as he always was an outsider. And we completed the backstory of how Vito became The Godfather. The story is complete. The ultimate epic tragedy, of the rise and fall of the Corleone Family.
The main business of Mafia in Havana was gambling. Drugs played a small part in high-level cosa-nostra until late 70's
You all are fantasticm i love your discussions throughout the reaction. You come from a different point of of view and its cool to see/hear your thoughts
I'm glad you guys are enjoying The Godfather Trilogy. It's always captivating to see the reactions of the people who watch the series for the first time. The Godfather is the essence of so many knowledge, and I personally apply some of them in daily life and business, not in criminal way, of course. Honor, Loyalty, Perseverance, Vigilance ..
of all the people I have seen react to the trilogy, you two have nailed it! I mean this. every scene every character. that is why i have subbed.
🥰 thank you so much! The film was a masterpiece and it would be a shame to not get hooked on it. We almost named our cat "Michael Corleone" 🤣
@@MJoy4Fun HAHAHA!!! must be quiet and unasumming before the cat POUCES!!! "Cat, do you renounce kitty litter?" (capo regime cats attacking one of the neighborhood cats) "I renounce kitty litter."
Definitely one of the greatest sequels ever made. It is arguably the best but can be debated by a handful of other sequels. Aliens (1986) , Terminator 2 (1991), and The Empire Strikes back (1980) as well.
Michael plays Roth and Frank simultaneously but it was Roth who had tried to kill MIchael and then who ultimately tries to kill Frank and tells his guys the Rosato brothers, to say that it was a gift from Michael so when Michael goes on trial, Frank is going to witness against him because he thinks Michael tried to kill him..... Then when he realizes his crime boss brother from Italy is in town he is scared because they are not going to forgive him if he turns on the family. Then Tom goes to see Frank in prison to let him know that Michael will care for his family if he goes ahead and kills himself.
It's amazing how you guys totally understood BOTH Godfathers really quickly... Most people don't get it that fast👍
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I've watched lots of other reactors but I really like the way you guys frame the pics and the video. I like the way you think and discuss points but also let it flow. Smart couple.
Great reactions to a great movie! You both are great together! Glad I found your channel!
Thank you enjoyed it! We fell inlove with this film!
It was Hyman Roth who gave the order to kill Frank Pentangeli, though he had set up the scene so cleverly, making it look like Michael gave the order. Roth wanted to break Michael's bond with his closest most trustworthy allies.
I really like your reactions. You two really get into the movie and make intelligent observations. So refreshing compared to most people that watch movies and make faces as if that is an intelligent reaction.
Another great reaction by you guys. I love how you both bounce ideas off each other to figure out the intricacies of what's happening (although I might be throwing popcorn at you if you did it in a theater 😃). You're fun to watch because you get it. About Fredo. If you remember in the first movie when Michael went to Las Vegas to try to force Moe Green to sell his casino Fredo defended Green. Michael warned Fredo never to take sides against the family again. That's how you knew Fredo was doomed after Michael found out he was the traitor. John Cazale, the actor who played Fredo, had an interesting, although ultimately tragic life. He died of lung cancer in his early 40s and only made five pictures (both Godfathers, Dog Day Afternoon, The Conversation and The Deer Hunter). Every one of those pictures was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Picture and three of them won. His girlfriend, who stayed with him until he died, was Meryl Streep.
For other classic films I still recommend Casablanca, which is usually included in Top Ten of all time movies like the Godfather and Airplane! for its quick paced jokes.
Marion was right on about how this movie is all about the subtle way Vito leads with logic, and Michael leads with anger, power, frustration. For me, the best part was the scene where Vito tracks the Evil Don on top of the roofs, that was STUNNING.
Michael had to become what he became for the family to stay and grow in power the most intriguing character in The series
Exactly. Michael became EXACTLY who he needed to be in order to save the family. It's not what he wanted, it's not what his father wanted for him, but he was the only choice after Santino was killed and he took up that burden and he did his job. Truly heroic.
"The rent... stays... like before."
Goosebumps. Every time.
Loved this reaction vid by you both, especially the pausing to chit-chat. I hope you finish off the trilogy. To be fair, it is hard for an artist to replicate lightning in a bottle, but for story sake, I love the third instalment.
I hope you finish it off with 1990's The Freshman, with Brando and Bruno Kirby in a cute is he/isn't he the godfather meta caper.
I'm not a fan of Godfather 3, it's okay but not great, but the new director's cut was at least better. I hope they watch that version than the theatrical one.
Nice react guys! Your conversation and assumptions were the best, lol; keep going with more movies' reacts, cheers from Brazil \o/
He told Frankie that Michael Corleone says hello to make him think Michael was the one behind his murder instead of Hyman Roth. And since frankie didnt die, that's why he's was going to testify against Michael.
This is, IMO, the greatest movie of all time. I am of half-Sicilian descent (my grandfather and grandmother - separately - immigrated to the U S from Sicily). I have visited my cousins near Messina. The scenery, family episodes and ambiance ring true even today. Though my family had only a filament of connection to the mafia (my great uncle was a lawyer ...) I understand the deep family connections. For most of your viewers like me, I believe our resemblance to these people center around family. That is the Italian (in general), and Sicilian (in particular), contribution to the structure of society in the USA. If you experience the Italian/Sicilian warmth, you will understand.
The Godfather is as much about family as it is organised crime, in The Godfather it was the fall of Vito(his death) and the rise of Michael. The Godfather 2 is the rise of Vito and a kind of fall of Michael. Michael lost his Mother, his Wife, his Son(abortion) and Fredo.
I think Michael in the story, was transformed by the death of his first wife, it killed much of his humanity and innocence, coming back from that, he appears much colder and ruthless. or was he always like that, the last scene showing him sitting alone at the family table in his youth failing to connect or relate to the others, is a sign of him being an outsider, bad circumstances later formed him into what he ultimately became...
He wasn't an outsider. His father PURPOSELY kept him apart, sending him to college when the other sons didn't go, keeping him out of the family business when the others were involved in it. It was Vito who had plans for Michael, not Michael's nature that caused him to be one step outside the family. He clearly loved his family though, enough that he would do anything, ANYTHING, so that they survived.
As always I love your reactions. And you also show what we hope to see in the movies. ❤️
Okay, I have to point this out because it’s so subtle that everyone misses it: when Tom had that convo with Frank at the prison about the Roman Empire and how if you failed to assassinate the Emperor, you’d be given a chance to commit suicide to preserve your fortune, that was code. They were essentially saying that if Frank commits suicide, the Corleones won’t retaliate and go after his family.
And the really subtle part is that when the convo was done and Tom shook Franks hand, Frank closed up his hand and put something in his pocket. Presumably that something was a razor blade that he later used to kill himself.
Edit: just finished the vid and it looks like the figures out the meaning of the convo. Think the missed the “putting something in their pocket” part.
I don't think many miss it. It's actually kind of a little too on the nose.
You are both so entertaining. I enjoyed watching parts 1 and 2.
"IN MY HOME!!! IN MY BEDROOM, WHERE MY WIFE SLEEPS???"
I think that outburst was mainly to test Frankie's reaction and read his face. If he really thought Pentangelli did it, he wouldn't have come personally, let alone without his men. It was that moment that he decided it must have been Roth. Frankie was a loyal soldier; not stupid, but not a schemer either. It wasn't his style.
I'm a Godfather fan but I never realised the thing you said at the end of the movie. That Michael never liked having family. And that made so much sense.
I love your reactions to the Godfather movies. Everyone I know has watched these movies multiple times. Each time you watch it you see something that you didn’t see before. These movies are classic and have won many awards. They are always topics of discussion.
I love the fact how they show Don Vito Corleone story and the difference between him and Michael and how Michael life took a turn for the worse
I've always regretted that Vito doesn't accept the groceries from the store owner who had to let him go, it's just heartbreaking to see him standing there with the basket still in his arms. ;( But it makes sense both cinematically as it makes you remember the scene, and it also shows the character and personality of Vito, as his pride won't let him accept a pity gift.
A person who cannot accept charity, cannot be charitable. They will always look down on those who accept help. He would have considered it an obligation to be paid back, just like his policy as Don.
I really enjoyed your reaction and I’m looking forward to seeing what you think of Part III.
You guys are a lot of fun. I'm in my seventies, and I remember seeing these movies when I was about your age. Watching the movie with people new to the movie is great.
Love your take on Michael. Seen all movies multiple times yet never seen what you both so obviously pointed out!
Love it! Great analysis
Thank you 😊
Marian and Joy.. you expose such relationship dynamics during the reaction video... it adds to the understanding and re-loving ths great movie
The second Godfather film
You're doing well
Godfather 2 is one of those rare sequels that's so good, it turns the original into a prequel after the fact. It's "The" Godfather, and "The Godfather" is like Godfather 0.5.
But it’s not better
@@juniegyllenhaal3937 It is equal.
As much as I love Brando, Godfather 2 is a slightly better film IMO. It's more complex yet pulls it off beautifully, everyone is on point acting wise, the storylines are brilliant, and it expands upon everything great about the first. I mean I love Terminator 1 but T2 is a better flick IMO too.
The first is more enjoyable but the second is just superior
When Marian said "Coz that's how he is." That's exactly it, Michael and his father faught this part of him his whole life. But in the end that is exactly how he is, down to his core.
Made me LOL 😆
I gotta be honest here and say that I normally don’t appreciate people pausing and talking about what they’re watching, especially this masterpiece, but you two have me transfixed with your questions and wonderment.
thank you so much! if we had watched this on theatre we couldn't dare talk but thankfully this is a reaction and we are glad we paused and discuss or else we gonna get lost in the plot.
@@MJoy4Fun I hope you read my other comment regarding the flashback scenes.😎
I'm sure Soprano fans know Johnny Ola is Junior Soprano - Dominic Chianese.
Uncle Jun's in the muff
Robert Duvall (Tom Haven) has been in some of the most amazing movies ever made going back to "To Kill A Mockingbird". Such a solid, natural actor.
In case you didn’t know, the bar scene where they try to kill Frank is an actual event! Carmine Persico tried to strangle Joe Gallos brother the same way
Beardy has exactly the right take on Vito and his real relationships with common people with real problems vs the others leaders n his kids.
Great reaction. The bar scene with the attempted Pentangeli murder was based on a real life attempted murder of one of the Gallo Brothers, New York based mobsters from what was then known as the Profaci Family. The "Michael Corleone says hello!" line was improvised by the actor Danny Aiello. Coppola liked the line so left it in. It's important to remember that at THAT particular point in time Michael did NOT want Pentangeli dead. This would later change, obviously.
As to why the character would say that there are at least two possibilities imo. (1) Hyman Roth lies to the Rosato Brothers and tells them that they have Michael's permission and (2) the character just likes mocking the victims he kills-similar to a murderer telling a religious person "Where is your God now?" as he kills him/her.
My ocd needed this
New subscriber, I really enjoy your reactions you both are wonderful ❤
I love seeing this movie through their eyes. I grew up on this movie and love so much of it but seeing how they unpack so much of it on a first view where they don’t have the extra baggage of what life was like for Italians in the 50s likely even into the 70s.
New to your channel. Y'all are AWESOME!! So happy to find you guys. Love that their is no f bombs flying around and general nastiness.
I really hope you still do Godfather Part 3. I think it's important to watch to get the conclusion to this amazing series. The Godfather Part 2 is honestly one of the greatest films ever made though, no question... The first two movies were in a whole other league. But I really do have a love for Part III so I hope to see your reaction to that next :)
Remember Vito didn't want this life for Michael. And Michael goes to his mother and asks can a man lose his family. She says no. He says but times are changing. He loses his family even though he got into the business to protect it. Truly a tragic figure
In addendum: These two should have their own tv show. Really!
lol its fun watching you folks try and figure out whats going on.
My father had Vito's personality and we are Sicilian. He always told us not to be impressed with La Cosa Nostra or Mafia and to never participate run that life, but go to school and become a good person. I miss him and moma very much, and now I am an old man. I saw these movies when they first came out and knew some of the actors in real life. I think it was a masterpiece, and the director Francis Coppola is of course Sicilian so he knew how to interpret Mario Puzo's book "The Godfather". I remember family acting just like the movie and today there is no one, but in my life I was happy that I chose to help people instead of hurt them. It is better to have God and friends than to have money and power.
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Pasta with bread 😂😂😂
Sharp eyed viewers might notice some interesting cameo appearances in small roles: one of the FBI agents guarding Frank Pantagales is Harry Dean Stanton who would go on to play one of the doomed spacefarers in Ridley Scott's Alien and later still he starred as the treacherous Brain in John Carpenter's Escape From New York. Also, one of the Senator panelists in the Anti organized crime Senate hearings is the legendary King of indie film production Roger Corman, who gave Francis Ford Coppola his earliest breaks in the movie business- Coppola put him in the film as a personal honor/tribute. Other Corman alumni are known for putting him in small roles as a gesture of thanks- Joe Dante used him in The Howling (1980) and Jonathan Demme gave him a cameo part in Silence Of The Lambs. Roger Corman jump started the careers of many filmmakers and actors and remains a respected and beloved figure, both in Tinseltown and fandom circles. Many of the directors he helped and mentored are glad to pay him tribute with screen time in their own films.
You guys are so cute. Thank you for the reactions. Very entertaining.
47:55 🤣 Best observation ever!
I’m enjoying watching you both react to The Godfather trilogy. You guys pause it to debate, make points, and guess what’s going to happen. Yes, we see Michael go down a dark path.
In GF3 you will see how all those dark deeds have affected Michael after all the years in between GF2 and GF3. The third film seems to be gaining acceptance since it’s release. It was criticized by critics. But honestly, they could not realistically live up to the high bar set by the first two films. But GF3 does a fine job of wrapping up the Corleone saga. In GF3 there are some good lines and a very somber “confession scene” that leaves the viewer sad for Michael.
Looking forward to the next video.
It doesn’t live up to the first two movies, but people really exaggerate about how bad it is. It’s true that poor Sofia Coppola was not a professional caliber actress, but there are still plenty of good moments in it.
@@marcuscato9083 my mIn problem was al pacino himself. He seemed to forget who he was playing. I get the redemption aspect and all that, but his Michael corleone was almost unrecognizable. I thought the church plot was very good and Joe mantegna was great but little else for me.
Great reactions to both Godfather 1 and 2. it’s fun to watch you guys try and figure out everything like we did when watching for the first time. Before you take a look at godfather 3 you should watch Apocalypse Now also from the 70s. Another great Francis Ford Coppola Movie. Also recommend French Connection and Jaws.
Michael was Vito's favourite son, but you right Michael never beleived in family values as much. Great points
yeeea! he got blinded on how to act against enemies, or how to find the next snitch.. he never trusted anyone. His Father gain Respect and trust, things that he couldn't have... instead he got. Feared and Despised
Really enjoyed both of you guys reactions. I enjoyed how involved you two were into Michael's way of thinking. And you guys were mostly right. The Godfather 3 is not as popular as Godfather 1 and 2 are but over time it has grown on me somewhat. It will be interesting to see you guys opinion's on The Godfather 3. Pay close attention to Connie's evolution in Godfather 3 as well! 😉 Enjoy!