According to wiki and numerous dataminers, armor penetration works as a multiplicative to armor reduction, not as an additive, like you've assumed. So in your example of Barbarian with 20% pdr and your ranger with 25% armor pen, the barbarian's pdr will be redused to 15% (100%-25%=75% of barbarian's base pdr). Another example is that armor penetration doesn't do anything to a taerget with 0% PDR - there is no armor to penetrate, you already do full damage, otherwise armor penetration would be just a damage multiplier, not unlike physical damage bonus. There is also an exception for when a target has negative PDR - armor penetration is not taken into an account.
Which is why, not useless, it's far less useful than most believe. A 75% fighters PDR will at best be reduced by 60% on Rogue, so they will still have 30% PDR, or around 55% for Ranger which leaves them at 34% PDR rounded up. The main use is that if you're hitting headshots and have a decent power bonus with additional, you will hit much harder than if you use True Damage, but only if you're stacking the armor pen really high, such as Ranger or Rogues. A content creator "Clowd" did a really good video on it a few months back.
@@luffy3862 So true lol… if you think about it, it’s easy to make a lot of gold as a content creator. Just buy lots of that item then make a video about it 😂
Yeah yami did that with my under 24 lute build and now the prices are too high for me to afford them. Sometimes knowledge can be destructive to our builds lmao
I know this video is a month old but just so you know if you are negative physical power bonus you aren't getting much benefit from additional weapon damage on weapons if you atleast hit neutral your numbers will increase a decent amount
you have a point in the end. I had a purple ring of knowledge with true magic, magical healing and magical power and there was none of these on the market so i ended up selling it for 8k. it sold in minutes, makes me wonder how much i could've gotten..
Wouldn’t it be better to stack +1 physical dmg with armor penetration, except frost amulet? True dmg is good against heavy PDR but the armor penetration is essentially making them squishy. Just wondering what you think.
Before armor pen was nerfed to only roll on specific gear peices I used to get +Power +Power Bonus and +Armor Pen on every peice of gear. Highest I ever got was 40% Armor Pen and 40% Power, I was two tapping geared barbs as a halbred fighter.
The thing about the bear form guy you fought is that sure he has more pdr but I'm pretty sure that doesn't affect arrows , they still hurt as a bear I noticed
doesnt do that much because its a % of a % not a flat stat....unless you are fighting a pdr fighter with 75% PDR , you will not notice it, as you can clearly see on this barb, 180 hp, 7 shots and 1 headshot needed.
Pen and PDR relation is 1 to 1, meaning if you have 20 pen you're gonna do remove 20 PDR from the target, essentially giving true dmg on power PDR builds
I can’t believe you just smacked that pdr fighter like it was nothing. But also I feel like it makes it harder to fight rogues with the negative power bonus
All I cant say is when I stacked 20% Armor Pen on my Rogue(with APen skills and dual daggers). I was smacking the tankiest of fighters down in 1 burst.
having negative phy power kinda hurts to see, should really try to get to 0, +6 power on bow/spear helps alot maybe 1-2 strenght rings and you should be there
woahhh your gonna make armor pen go up in price on the market lmfao I have been running a cobalt cleric kit with 32% armor pen with mace out, with smite and 62% magic power bonus.
@@thelorr oh definitely, i just usually end up buying a full kit as soon as i can and it'll last me a good few games. once i lose it it just takes some time to earn the money back, so a backup budget kit to use while earning money for a full spend would be cool to see
@@dinen5000I have a rogue specifically for gold grinding. I avoid fights, take the lock pick talent, and just farm up like 3-4 runs, then blow it all on my fighter and look for PvP. I like the long sword and still learning riposte spacing and timing so I tend to die a lot haha. I wish the gear cap was like 200 gs not 24 gs, so I could actually feel like I have a build in greens and not have to fight dudes decked in purple and blue fully optimized gear sets running through me.
@@stealthyturtles were i not f2p i would 100% have a rogue just to run around and lockpick all the lion heads chests i know of, alas, i can only play ranger
Sadly if the panther have the correct agi items you would just be dead using the spear. I know from experience playing wiz vs +29 agi gear. I got 2 tapped with 135 hp
Try running a pdr/hp fighter mixed with will. You should be able to get 140+ hp, 17-20% buff and 45+% PDR with meh speed. Reading this I ran out the cost of a kit I've been wreaking havoc with (visored barbuta, dark cuirass, light gauntlets, heavy boots +rings/pendant and cape with a green falch and shield) and it was at 800~ gold, just keep in mind that may jump up or down probably plus or minus 100~ gold due to the markets. The price also isn't including a crossbow, as I usually just take the squire one until I find a better one as I don't use it for any serious fighting, I mainly use it to harass people and pressure people from pushing too aggressively so I can dictate the fight
I was rampaging with a slayer set with blueberry i had 16% armor pen and all true damage and rocked a flanged mace + short sword for 31% total, sprint and adrenaline. was super crazy 3 taping pdr people with 3 headshots
I’m curious why do you mine gold nuggets if you kill for the best loot in the game to sell can you elaborate? I’m new trying to get goated also please don’t do that 1k gear vid the last thing we need is more gear getting jacked up in the trade market especially for my ranger class😅
great video thx man was a lot of fun to watch. Also i belive if you stack armor pen and you fight agains a person who has basicly no pdr and you will hit him below the 0% you will start to make bonus damage. Correct me if im wrong but armor pen is really really strong when you stack it.
armor pen is not underrated, you just dont play rogue 🤣it would be really cool to see you seriously play rogue next wipe like you have been doing with ranger
@@TheWarriorGreat Lol i bet you wear shoes inside and probably wear winter shoes in the summertime. Oh and dont forget the winter hat in the summer, because you know, its summer and super cold.
depressing to watch... i hope i never run into you in the dungeons now this would be a day ruin'r to die too... good content though if not on the receiving end
According to wiki and numerous dataminers, armor penetration works as a multiplicative to armor reduction, not as an additive, like you've assumed.
So in your example of Barbarian with 20% pdr and your ranger with 25% armor pen, the barbarian's pdr will be redused to 15% (100%-25%=75% of barbarian's base pdr).
Another example is that armor penetration doesn't do anything to a taerget with 0% PDR - there is no armor to penetrate, you already do full damage, otherwise armor penetration would be just a damage multiplier, not unlike physical damage bonus.
There is also an exception for when a target has negative PDR - armor penetration is not taken into an account.
Damn. Game changer
thank you
Which is why, not useless, it's far less useful than most believe. A 75% fighters PDR will at best be reduced by 60% on Rogue, so they will still have 30% PDR, or around 55% for Ranger which leaves them at 34% PDR rounded up. The main use is that if you're hitting headshots and have a decent power bonus with additional, you will hit much harder than if you use True Damage, but only if you're stacking the armor pen really high, such as Ranger or Rogues. A content creator "Clowd" did a really good video on it a few months back.
And it also could've changed completely since they datamined it as well. But I doubt it.
@@Squall598if someone has 75% pdr and you reduce their pdr to 30%, you do triple damage to them.
As a fellow Timmothy I wouldn’t mind seeing a 1k gold kit it would be a nice challenge
I think 1k is pretty low but 2k would be neat.
you dont want that. When youtubers make a good timmy kit the prices of those items go up
@@luffy3862 So true lol… if you think about it, it’s easy to make a lot of gold as a content creator. Just buy lots of that item then make a video about it 😂
Yeah you could get some ok boots and hope MS is enough
Yeah yami did that with my under 24 lute build and now the prices are too high for me to afford them. Sometimes knowledge can be destructive to our builds lmao
Yami uploads PDR bard, thelorr goes armor pen.. I would almost say he is sniping!
I remember a streamer saying a good ranger will make it look like you don’t know how to play the game and damn it is so true.
ngl i really enjoy the format of these videos, teaches a lot about the game and its entertaining to see all that goes into a run
banger as usual but when we getting crossbow build? its so fun with back step
I know this video is a month old but just so you know if you are negative physical power bonus you aren't getting much benefit from additional weapon damage on weapons if you atleast hit neutral your numbers will increase a decent amount
“1400 gold! Ok 899.” hahaha love it!
the cloak of darkness can give you more ms then an Adventure cload Lorr the ms bonus on the cloak has a chance to be higher then .09 look into it
Been binging your channel two nights in a row now, so damn entertaining.
you have a point in the end. I had a purple ring of knowledge with true magic, magical healing and magical power and there was none of these on the market so i ended up selling it for 8k. it sold in minutes, makes me wonder how much i could've gotten..
God that last Druid kill was so satisfying, sit em down. He really thought he was doing something too 😂
Wouldn’t it be better to stack +1 physical dmg with armor penetration, except frost amulet? True dmg is good against heavy PDR but the armor penetration is essentially making them squishy. Just wondering what you think.
Before armor pen was nerfed to only roll on specific gear peices I used to get +Power +Power Bonus and +Armor Pen on every peice of gear. Highest I ever got was 40% Armor Pen and 40% Power, I was two tapping geared barbs as a halbred fighter.
You should try out the new druid gloves on ranger, it gives you dexterity and vigor i feel like it might be op
Hey thelorr. You’ve been making great videos. Keep it up man I wish you great success
The thing about the bear form guy you fought is that sure he has more pdr but I'm pretty sure that doesn't affect arrows , they still hurt as a bear I noticed
Isn’t there a “projectile damage reduction” stat not just physical damage? I wonder how that is used in the equation
Glad to see you getting these views, you are a monster!
doesnt do that much because its a % of a % not a flat stat....unless you are fighting a pdr fighter with 75% PDR , you will not notice it, as you can clearly see on this barb, 180 hp, 7 shots and 1 headshot needed.
So True damage is definitely better
@@PredatorGamingTR thats why they nerfed it ,
Pen and PDR relation is 1 to 1, meaning if you have 20 pen you're gonna do remove 20 PDR from the target, essentially giving true dmg on power PDR builds
Are u sure? Someone told me that armor pen 20% is 20% from your pdr. If you have 20 pdr that means that u will have 16 pdr instead
If you want more move speed get a cloak of darkness the have ms bonus as a base stat
Makes me wanna try this but with crossbow ranger build. Could hit like 50% pdr reduction
I can’t believe you just smacked that pdr fighter like it was nothing. But also I feel like it makes it harder to fight rogues with the negative power bonus
I’m pretty sure the Barb at 15:10 was trynna turn out the light lmao
For items like Trolls blood you should treat them like bis items and sell for just under market price it always gets bought.
All I cant say is when I stacked 20% Armor Pen on my Rogue(with APen skills and dual daggers). I was smacking the tankiest of fighters down in 1 burst.
Awesome video as always! Def should have listed these boots for more
Yeah those boots were well over that. Really good for a quicksilver still
I was the high move speed cleric lmfao that was my first game with it and i ran it you lol love the vids!
Could you do a low gs video or zero to hero type thing? Ranger feels extremely different and outclassed at a low gear score compared to other classes.
having negative phy power kinda hurts to see, should really try to get to 0, +6 power on bow/spear helps alot maybe 1-2 strenght rings and you should be there
i miss your intro, i remember it from last fall when i started playing :(
woahhh your gonna make armor pen go up in price on the market lmfao I have been running a cobalt cleric kit with 32% armor pen with mace out, with smite and 62% magic power bonus.
Brother i tried your steak recipe and i think i might have shit my pants a bit. So damn good
1000G max for you kit would actually be really cool to see, im always so broke lol
As soon as you get the hang of consistent PVP wins, watch how rich you’ll get :) o7
Loss in this game will always happen but there’s a consistency that happens with persistence in this game as well I found
@@thelorr oh definitely, i just usually end up buying a full kit as soon as i can and it'll last me a good few games. once i lose it it just takes some time to earn the money back, so a backup budget kit to use while earning money for a full spend would be cool to see
@@dinen5000I have a rogue specifically for gold grinding. I avoid fights, take the lock pick talent, and just farm up like 3-4 runs, then blow it all on my fighter and look for PvP. I like the long sword and still learning riposte spacing and timing so I tend to die a lot haha. I wish the gear cap was like 200 gs not 24 gs, so I could actually feel like I have a build in greens and not have to fight dudes decked in purple and blue fully optimized gear sets running through me.
@@stealthyturtles were i not f2p i would 100% have a rogue just to run around and lockpick all the lion heads chests i know of, alas, i can only play ranger
Ur strength is only on 9 , this affects alot the physic damage bonus id say be on 15-18 strength rather than having vigor
Sadly if the panther have the correct agi items you would just be dead using the spear. I know from experience playing wiz vs +29 agi gear. I got 2 tapped with 135 hp
First. When fighter vid next pls
Try running a pdr/hp fighter mixed with will. You should be able to get 140+ hp, 17-20% buff and 45+% PDR with meh speed.
Reading this I ran out the cost of a kit I've been wreaking havoc with (visored barbuta, dark cuirass, light gauntlets, heavy boots +rings/pendant and cape with a green falch and shield) and it was at 800~ gold, just keep in mind that may jump up or down probably plus or minus 100~ gold due to the markets.
The price also isn't including a crossbow, as I usually just take the squire one until I find a better one as I don't use it for any serious fighting, I mainly use it to harass people and pressure people from pushing too aggressively so I can dictate the fight
They need to buff armor pen on the cobalt gear. the fact that a random roll can be higher is criminal
I was rampaging with a slayer set with blueberry i had 16% armor pen and all true damage and rocked a flanged mace + short sword for 31% total, sprint and adrenaline. was super crazy 3 taping pdr people with 3 headshots
I got some heavy boots that are epic eith 1.4 move speed bonus, 5 add move speed, and 1 vigor. I literally just can’t sell them!
What the smegma
Brain rot
I just poopy my kaka
You can get more armor pen by roll on the bow
What’s dpi and mouse sensitivity if you don’t mind me asking ?
wasn't 9 strength a bit too low? wouldnt it have been better to trade like 5ish dex for strength?
I’m curious why do you mine gold nuggets if you kill for the best loot in the game to sell can you elaborate? I’m new trying to get goated also please don’t do that 1k gear vid the last thing we need is more gear getting jacked up in the trade market especially for my ranger class😅
range meta in this game is so much fun. woo hoo
Maybe some crossbow ranger build ? Seems fun blasting peoples with bolt in face 🎉
If I put my green kris, I can be matched with this 10k monster. The current gear score match-up is busted.
I need to play matches with you frfr 🔥🔥🔥
was that cleric you killed Firebox?
Would love to see the way you died in the end using this build to prepare ourselves
I ran that build till I got tired, then late midnight ran it again off obs and died to a stock armored fighter because I got too content LOL
9:41 start the video
undeRRated, you illiiterate
I can see how strong ranger is when you didn't even have to drink the protection potion, unlike fighter it just like a must LOL
i do this on the slayer, with flanged mace and stilleto dagger.
Yo lorr they buffed the windless it does way more armor pen now
great video thx man was a lot of fun to watch.
Also i belive if you stack armor pen and you fight agains a person who has basicly no pdr and you will hit him below the 0% you will start to make bonus damage. Correct me if im wrong but armor pen is really really strong when you stack it.
Good vid
I love your content!
The lightfoot were probably way more, like 5k. I sold worse for more than urs, 2Dex, 5Move alone is crazy
My face when he sold 13k boots for 2k
bought a bis legi spellbook for 20k and fliped it for 30k it sometimes is realy worth it :D
As a cleric main,
Stop
So armor pen is a percent of his pdr It doesn’t work they way u think it does that’s why fully stacking it sucks. Good vid man
Most the best players in the game are buying armor pen right now. It’s meh in solos but basically required for physical classes in the 3s meta
is it really underrated? rogues stacking these for a long time
that build is disgusting love it
You didnt grab armor pen on the bow oh no
he isnt wearing a beni he is just a red creature wearing a human face as a mask
crayola ranger
Bro playing fashion and darker
ngl man going against rangers like these is like miserable
dude im telling you run a 6.9% armor pen longbow with multishot and ur gnna be shitting on high tiered plate fighters
BROTHER MULTI SHOT AND USE IT ON EXTREMELY CLOSE TARGETS THANK ME LATER
Bro cheated on his slayer fighter 💀
Ranger on top!!
they’re gonna nerf armor pen bc of you nooo
The smurfs are at it again.
armor pen is not underrated, you just dont play rogue 🤣it would be really cool to see you seriously play rogue next wipe like you have been doing with ranger
BALD
So far we are 1-0 me, I will be hunting down any rangers I see. If you kill me I’ll donate 20 next time. Look out for DontStopBelieve
Plug with the rizz livvy dunne
i just dont understand why you wear a hat while playing video games. I mean unless youre sitting outside
True or clothes in general tbh, I always play naked. Completely naked ofc. It feels so much more natural
@@TheWarriorGreat Lol i bet you wear shoes inside and probably wear winter shoes in the summertime. Oh and dont forget the winter hat in the summer, because you know, its summer and super cold.
@@zeztox I was born naked and I will remain naked
I like thelorr but ranger gameplay is just unbearable
depressing to watch... i hope i never run into you in the dungeons now this would be a day ruin'r to die too...
good content though if not on the receiving end
I would give up if i came across a ranger as sweaty as you lol, cool build but man, this kind of thing makes me wanna stop playing the game.