Game is hard af, spreadsheets are a must-have thing. You won't basically do any damage to the foes without 10 hours of precalculating damage and learning your team rotations and it also should be meta most of the time 😢
zajef csually revealing he doesn't explore by thinking pyro torches are only in Mondstadt. The number of times I have to switch to a pyro archer is irritatingly annoying, especially in Sumeru desert.
00:50 Criteria 01:40 Bennett 02:48 S tier 03:03 Chevreuse, Lan Yan, Kuki, Why not Xingqiu 05:17 Lan Yan 05:37 No Fischl in S tier ? + A tier 07:25 Xiangling 07:40 Yaoyao, Lynette, Collei, Heizou, Ororon + small Ororon and cinder talk 09:36 RIP Thoma 09:50 Kirara 09:55 B tier 10:03 Layla, Gorou, Thomas, Faruzan + Faruzan strenght talk 11:01 Candace ?? 11:49 Beidou + her cons talk 13:19 RIP YunJin 13:24 Sayu, Lisa + Lisa underrated 14:25 Kachina 14:32 C tier 14:33 Mika + Eula hate 15:28 Kaeya, Rosaria 15:57 TF Razor 16:25 Yanfei 16:50 Dori 17:11 Diona + her place in ayaka team 18:33 Gaming 20:16 Gaming Calcs 29:00 End of Calcs 29:04 Sethos 29:38 nah, not sure 29:46 Charlotte 30:06 D tier 30:10 Condolence tier 30:14 Sara 30:17 That's It ! 30:20 nevermind, kaveh change 30:41 Amber 31:15 Why some bad characters are high ? 32:32 Conclusion 32:38 Zajef after seeing Xingqiu's disappearance in new characters best team
Chevy might be #2. It’s her or fischl for me. Both vital to some strong team comps and neither can really be replaced in their good teams. Fischl carries aggravate, Chevy is the only reason overload isn’t a meme. And both of those are many 5* units’ best teams #1 is obviously Bennett
I would argue that compared to her peers, Diona still provides quite a bit more to a team at c0 than other 4 star characters. She is still a fairly competent shielder with excellent uptime, provides plenty of cryo particles in which you could easily run Favonus Warbow or Sac Bow. The shield in question has some helpful properties, such as a team wide cleanse, speed boost, and stamina reduction. Which individually isn't doing much, but you have to look at everything together. Then she provides some off field cryo application with her ult in a reasonable size AOE. I feel like if Kiara gets a slot in A, and Layla gets a slot in B, then Diona, who essentially does what they can do deserves to be just as high as either of them.
She's great, but I think Bennett is the undisputed #1 because of his versatility Most Chevy teams use Bennett, but a lot of Bennett teams don't need Chevreuse
Zajef really cannot get past his hate for Eula. She’s bad but Mika at C0 basically has no synergy with her at all. If anything he has anti-synergy by forcing her to stay in to receive his buffs (40% dmg bonus at MAX btw, most other dps can run Kazuha or scroll, Eula needs Mika in a 3+ enemy situation). Even at C6 you need Furina to have him even come close to C5 Benny + C6 Rosaria. The notion that Eula got a buff in Mika is like saying Wanderer got a buff with Xianyun.
I was LITERALLY about to comment this. I'm not a Eula glazer and totally agree she has issues but saying "she doesn't need better supports she's just shit and Mika should be enough" is absolutely incorrect. His physical buffs and shred also aren't at the same rate as someone like Faruzan, especially if we're comparing C0, so his main use is his attack speed buff and healing (hence the Wanderer and Yoimiya teams with Furina). With his spd buff, Eula *might* be able to get one more stack in before her burst timer runs out assuming you're staying on-field for the whole duration. Eula's a mid unit, but he's also mid for her. I like watching these videos for pre release info, but remember he also said that Mika is good with Xiao-Furina before.
C6 Mika + Furina is still a better team than C5 Benny + C6 Rosaria for Eula. Not only it lets you C6 Bennett for pyro carries, but the damage is more spread out instead of it all being focused on Eula's burst, and also no cringe circle impact.
It wouldn't be a tier list Zajef video without Zajef moving goalposts of the tier list itself everytime. The tier list originally was about "how good is this 4 star at c0 still?", not "how little does this 4 star gain from constellations?"
I guess by technicality he was the 6th character placed… even if they aren’t ordered… but still, Zajef saw the future and just decided the screw with your prediction
This is a weird list, it's not best 4* at c0 it's what 4* don't need cons/don't get much from cons. Cuz Xiangling and xq are amazing at c0 but that's not what this list is
I can't imagine the first Natlan character that they reveal at the beginning of the game would be a 4 star. Granted, there technically is a precedent with Lynette, but still...
im surprised lanyan is already top 5 being the latest 4stars. Literally the best to pick on lantern rite if ur not summoning on the 2nd phase 5.3 still surprised me citlali and lanyan are not on the same banner, but hoping chev is also on the 2nd phase along lanyan.
tbf you heal so much with bennet that you're going to be above 70% most of the time. The average healing bennet will give around 7-8k heals a tick. It's often around 50% of a characters HP in the teams that he is in.
@imjustaguycalledsano Most teams use Furina too, Bro is pretty much in unplayable with her. She will not be the only ones dropping your hp in Those teams. Enemies do. This coming from someone who owns C2 Furina and bro is at C5 without C6 activated and still finds it hard to keep up with her draining.
Zajef is MASSIVELY undervaluing C1 Bennet. It's like he just forgot that it removes the HP condition for the Atk buff. Losing the Atk buff is one of the worst parts of C0 Bennet. It's a 1k Atk buff. Losing that feels shitty as hell.
I think he talked about that in other video. Since the atk buff lingers for a few seconds after loosing it and the ult itself heals a lot very fast, there are not that many situations when you loose a lot of uptime for not having the C1.
personally i put fishcl on S because i cant live without c1 bennet and c2 xingqiu but i survived without c6 fishcl (my fishcl is c4). Like i had to pull bennet/xingqiu/xiangling cons on whatever banner they are in (not caring the limited 5*) before to get their cons. But i never felt the need for e6 fishcl.
Faruzan at c0, based on the rules that he put, should be very low on the list. She gains the most from constellations and is almost an entirely different character at c6. She gains a new artifact set option (TotM), has off field dps and energy gen (which is absolutely abysmal without cons), and becomes a premium option in her niche.
the tierlist isnt how much they gain from cons, its how good they are at c0. yes faruzan gets a ton from c2 and c6 but she's still very good at c0 because of how strong her buffs are.
Even at C0 faruzan is the best anemo support for anemo hypercarries like Xiao and wanderer Try playing Wanderer without faruzan lmao Faruzan is such a huge dps increase that having a C6 faruzan is more valuable than wanderer/Xiao cons while it is true that C6 faruzan is like a completely different character it does not change the fact that even at C0 she is irreplaceable in Xiao,wanderer teams
It's hilarious how much a character that's a hyperbloom triggering healer will get underrated because people don't like her. Especially with the Papilla needing elemental hits being a consideration at the start and yet completely ignored as an upside for Dori, whose ult hits every .4 seconds. Like being ult dependent (with a fair bit of down time) and not having her healing follow the player is undeniable a notable downside compared to Kuki, but she's absolutely not *that* much lower.
Gorou is way too high. Geo is no longer a mono element, and he really sucks sub c6 in mono teams. What're you going to buff with him at c0? C1 Chiori? Albedo? Going to farm for petra? Like who would suggest this strat to a player dealing with c0 units and their wits/mora/resin?
Nah he’s good where he is,he still does his job really well at c0 his other constellations besides c6 are all quality of life buffs because he’s not clunky or tedious to build
@m4hiiro for what purpose? What does he do at c0 that makes him valuable at all? Is it an all 5* team? The criteria shouldn't change for one of the 4* when the others are held to a higher standard.
@wannabehero939 what character is strictly defense scaling for a large portion of their kit other than albedo? Yunjin? It doesn't make sense to buff Yunjin with gorou anymore. Just because he's good at it c0 does not mean it's at all useful.
Sethos doesn't need his constellations. It does almost nothing for him cuz his best playstyle is Lv1 CA spam, which none of his Constellations help with. You don't need C6 Fischl either since Sethos never uses his Normal ATK. He also has Overload teams now thanks to the recent buff to the reaction damage.
@@mechatr0nix His unintended playstyle is his best playstyle. Fischl is already Single Target locked anyways. Even in AoE, Full EM Sethos spamming Overload with his Lv1 CA still does more damage than both of his intended playstyles; thanks to the recent buff. Who would've thought that giving someone a better ICD than their intended playstyle was a good idea.
@@AevyCh With which team, and do you have a video reference? I know he can land up to 23x Lv1 CAs with EMC support, and can do an 8N2W combo in other teams. I'm curious if you can give up a character like Nahida or Sucrose and get more damage. My team has C2R1 Nahida, C2R1 Xilo and C6 Beidou. I think Beidou works wonderfully with C2 Xilo support and that team wrecks AoE content
Amber is funny because she is required for Wriothesley/Emilie burn-melt to clear any Aeonblight Drakes the abyss throws at you. Cleared 5.2 ("Hardest Abyss") with her easily.
Nah, on early days all c0 benny was to me was healer on relatively long cd, cos my dodge was not good so i was constantly getting damaged and thrown around... Actual buff uptime was negligable till i got c1 Also there are pyro torches in sumeru technically
Zaj seemed to lose his focus on what he was attempting to accomplish; instead of evaluating the C0 4-stars’ overall values compared to each other, he began to evaluate how important their constellations are, and compared the characters’ C0 values to their values with constellations …
@@TaigaZzz "most teams" so basically solo pyro applicator teams, shes always been subpar in those teams so it makes sense, but being replaced in her normal national variations aint happening which u did sort of mention with Raiden. same with chevy teams i'd imagine she's ganna stay there cuz mauvika really really wants Vape/Melt for her teams
Hello @zajef I wanted to ask on which character I should invest to on a tighnari team? Lanyan or kirara the reason why I'm kinda stuck I because kirara overall has better synergy with tighnari with shorter durations and aswell as dendro resonance but I will most like bench tighnari after getting my next dps after mavuika and most likely have no use for my kirara after looking at the characters I want to pull hence why lanyan is a strong option even after I bench my tighnari she can still be used for Nuevillete, taser teams and other teams that need a shield like clorinde and Arlecchino teams Also considering Xinque and Beidou which I don't have yet I'm also considering them especially Beidou for tighnari teams to replace lisa and overall utility because I don't have much particular use for Xinque right know These are my teams: Mavuika/xilonen/bennet/kazuha (Furina/citlali will be better than kazuha I just don't have them yet) Tighnari/fischl/lisa/kirara or lanyan (Beidou to replace lisa and yao² maybe)
depends on what you want/which dps youre going for next (if u dont have many options kirara is also good on hyperbloom for dendro resonance) if electro/dendro then prolly kirara, if others then lanyan realistically tho both are good addition for your imaginarium theatre anyway so just a matter of time you have both built
That is why its hard to take zajef seriously nowadays. Xingqiu at c0 is not good enough, he lacks hydro app, uptime (for a 21 sec E), er goes really high, low damage (you can compare to Barbara Sea Dyed), but is higher than Fischl that even at c0 can do a lot of damage on aggravate teams, more damage than C0 XL in some teams, also her pyro app sometimes is not enough for some characters at C0 because of the uptime. Bennett would be S, because C1 is not just the buff, i think zajef skipped fontaine, so he does not know how BoL is a pain in the ass with Bennett and how some characters lose hp while using their skills, also Furina exists. C1 is not a QoL for him, but needed for some specific teams.
Gaming in C tier just doesn't make sense. Why is he talking about team investment costs? In a tier list where you compare raw C0 strength you should put every character in their best conditions to show their highest potential. My C0 Gaming absolutely slaps and I still regularly played him eventhough I got zero cons before I got Hu Tao for my plunge team. I would easily put him high A or low S tier. It really feels like he went out of his way to give him a low ranking while he mindlessly put lynette, heizou and collei so high up.
Barbara should be much higher because Nilou exist and there are 4 major use of Barbara (tank driver, EM trigger, buff healer and plunge attacker) which the same can't be applied to most characters, and almost none of them depend on her cons. Her c2 doesn't even matter in Nilou team if sac frag has that covered.
Bro you build full em, you are not getting a particularly tanky unit or ine which heals particularly much. She had that ring interraction till 5.1 but since that is fixed she ain't anything special
@@mayukhmondal5552 She heals more than enough since you usually onfield her a lot in teams where you run her em anyway. Dying shouldnt be an issue unless you get hit by literally everything. But at that point its not a barbara exclusive issue. She is not more/less tanky than other characters. If you also happen to get a few hp subs here and there even better. In And she is still a consistent carry at c0 in plunge teams. Most 4 star c0 carries have a huge damage dropoff. Barbara pretty much loses nothing by not having c6 while for characters like gaming its almost a requirement due to the amount of damage increase he gets You also have her main usecase of just being a healer which she does perfectly fine.
@@blacksuitedsonic but that doesn't change the fact that gaming at c0 already does 3x barbaras dmg at c0 as a plunge carry 🗿 You cannot get gaming dmg on anh barbara carry so whats the point???? Also since em barbara even as an onfielder can never match actually good nilou slot ins in app, the dmg is pretty bad . Credit where credit is due, barbara can run TTDS and no artifacts so can be used as an IT ticket for hydro needing ITs, maybe even get an instructors in where relevant
@@mayukhmondal5552 idk what kinda gaming you running at c0 that does 3x barbara damage but certainly not at c0 gaming. You always have to consider the cost of the teams to make it fair. barbara team only has 1 cost with xianyun so the only 5 star in gamings team also is either xianyun or furina. you also cant run a 5 star weapon. I tried serpent spine but thats a spreadsheet weapon since you usually dont have any shields. If you go max out everything around them then yeah gaming probably does like 3x barbara damage with c2 key furina, c2r1 xianyun but at least with my setup i dont get 3x damage and i think i have a pretty good mh set
@@blacksuitedsonic I mean its a meme team so obviously a proper team will just outperform it to that degree. Maybe 3x is a hyoerbole but you get the point. The amount of resources you need to make barbara function as a carry is so high that investing that into a proper carry gives you a lot more output
Xq being that high at c0 when blud is suffering from ER issues and low dmg output is crazy lmao. Well, its zajeff, so gooning over Xq is to be expected, no matter how delusional the take is.
ER issues? What ... 200ER go sac sword do EQE and repeat once burst is over and you'll have your burst back since most xingqiu teams will generate good amounts of particles. yes his c6 is very nice for energy but its not ganna make his ER hard to meet at all. and also xingqiu's damage may be lower yes but his application is still fast enough for basically every scenario you'd want
@@soroushkowsarian3364 Well if we're assuming C0, we also have to assume R1 Weapons. How on earth are you going to get R5 Sac Sword as a relatively new player, especially when the 4* pool become more & more inflated every other patch? Getting a Sac Sword in v5.0 is significantly less likely than in v1.0. Weapon Banner isn't any better either. You're not just losing out on ER, but also damage & more importantly Hydro Application from both C2 & C6 combined.
@@AevyChpretty sure zajefs process was xinqiu is ur only option if u have no yelan or furina on a new acc meaning by default he’s a good c0 unit I mean ur other options are Candace or Barbara for application…
@@LauraJinkins-pi8sv nah zajef is obviously bias here, why da f he even put fischl, xiangling lower than xq when this 2 literally has no one to replace them👽
if he's THAT bad at C0, then better use C0 Barbara or Candace or Hydro MC. Truth is, XQ is your best '4 star' hydro option for ALMOST HALF A DECADE and his strong competitors are LIMITED 5 stars
Yeah Zejeff forgot about coz most teams use Furina or If you use Arlecchino you are pretty much screwed. C0 Bennett is shitty with Furina and Arlecchino coz won't have good atk uptime in those teams. So in conclusion he belongs to the same tier as others needing cons.
@@Moontonboss it's not because of that for Atk scalers Bennett's buff matters. He is not carrying Furina, she prefers AOE healers, Doesn't care for him.
Just build HP on him and he heals in 1 sec over the 70% HP limit. For an offensive Bennett build c1 matters a lot, but for an pure Support one (wich are the most builds) it dosn‘t matter much, besides the 20% less atk buff
Amount of stupid people saying C0 Bennett bad or even not worth is wild. For 2 years he was C0 i never see more then 2 seconds without buff. I guess if you not build hp on him at all and face tanking every possible hit like moron? Can't relate, sorry. Zhong exists exactly for people like this.
She buffs normal attacks and, at c6, she applies hydro when you normal attack (it's not very fast but it's fast enough for Arle to vape every reactible hit). On top of that, her hydro app is aoe So she's, like, a bit better than xingqiu in aoe situations (not by much mind you but it's good to free him up for the other side or just have variety)
You don't need C1 for him to function good enough. You really think not getting the ATK buff for the first tick is a big deal? You'll heal by the 1st tick and you get the buff on the 2nd tick. You just have to wait 1 second. For Xiangling you can like just pop a Guoba before doing her burst and you're over 70% HP by that time. And losing 173 ATK buff is not so big when you still get 1030 ATK buff without C1.
@@kibathefang6022it does againts some enemies like wolford and or teams with furina, and for casual people who have skill issue, fighting like the hydro tupla, you will lose 50% of buff uptime on non-snapshot damage
15:08 bro is delusional. First of all, its eula. Second, as someone who has nog simped eula for a day in his life. she still as good numbers You give her three proper supporst, she becomes proper meta no question. Rn she has ZERO supports Give an electro support that buffs all physical damage in your entire party (maybe even electro and cryo damage). And two off field physical damage dealers No more hypercarry problem, no more energy problem (with those two off fielders being cryo), no more backload problem, no more problem where you have yo do an entire rotation if enemy has a little health left Mika is just as much a dogshit eula support as she is a dogshit carry for him yo support. There is zero synergy
@ISMythix go look at EULA raiden rosaria Bennet speedruns. Go look at Jamie's vid on “are cryo DPS's underrated and the Eula section And tell me to my face how ANY of those characters are remotely optimal. EULA has not gotten an upgrade since 2.1! I don't like her, I never plan on pulling her. But she has the raw numbers to be good, she has zero teammates. The back load in her kit isn't a problem if you have subdps's going off or you buff her enough that her NA string can finish one wave. Just imagine if xiao didn't get any character after 2.x. he would be the shittiest carry of today
but chevreuse does gain a fuck ton w c6, like sure she doesent NEED it, but you're comparing her to 2 characters who only care for their c2 and one character that only cares for c1 in the very slightest, whereas c6 is a massive buff for chevy
this is a fair tier. bennet is just that good that as long as the char scales attack, he's viable. my only opinion is kuki and xinqui should be higher since they really enable hyperbloom which is a cheap team. didnt watch the video but i really dont know how to use sucrose so for me ill put her lower. just my take 😅 chev,,,, i dont know, i dont have her c6 so im not using her yet
@@deedeesga34 i didnt said shes bad. im just saying she'll be behind xq and kuki. sorry if you thought that saying lower is putting her on other tier below, but all im saying is putting xq and kuki before her.
i agree w sucrose tbh. she’s easily replaceable by kazuha. she may be better in some cases but she’s just really inconvenient sometimes. meanwhile kuki and xq can be competitive or coexist with their 5 star counterparts raiden and yelan. the fact that she’s still one of the two best anemo groupers still keeps her in that tier though. especially if you just don’t have kazuha
@@aerohydra3849 His c0 app becomes exactly same as yelan without orbitals , but yelan has shorter cooldowns so she technically has better app vs c0 xq But app isn't super relevant tbvh . Most quick-bloom based teams have a love hate relationship with app, where they get better quicken uptime on low app and more seeds on high app which effectively balances out ....and then you have double hydro for hu tao, the most App demanding pyro carry, so the only places app kinda even matters is when you are trying to vape every hit of XL , which was relevant like 2 years ago, nowadays you have better ways of doing dmg.
@@aerohydra3849he literally dosnt. Yelan applies as much if not more. Xq applies hydro every 1s, same as yelan. If u want to consider his orbitals,they arent reliable and they have very low application, but for arguments sake, lets consider 2-3 apps from that. Yelans E applies hydro and so does her burst extra procs from her E. Furthermore, her burst initial hit applies 2u.
there is literally no zajef video where he doesn't pull out the excel spreadsheet😭
Game is hard af, spreadsheets are a must-have thing. You won't basically do any damage to the foes without 10 hours of precalculating damage and learning your team rotations and it also should be meta most of the time 😢
We are here for the spreadsheet!
Spreadsheet makes it easier tho
What do want bro to work on, word?
The excel spreadsheet is why i sub lmao he does the math for us gotta thank gamers like him
zajef csually revealing he doesn't explore by thinking pyro torches are only in Mondstadt. The number of times I have to switch to a pyro archer is irritatingly annoying, especially in Sumeru desert.
theres even some in natlan, and its especially infuriating there because theres the yoshi morph fireball fruit but not the yoshi morph itself
00:50 Criteria
01:40 Bennett
02:48 S tier
03:03 Chevreuse, Lan Yan, Kuki, Why not Xingqiu
05:17 Lan Yan
05:37 No Fischl in S tier ? + A tier
07:25 Xiangling
07:40 Yaoyao, Lynette, Collei, Heizou, Ororon + small Ororon and cinder talk
09:36 RIP Thoma
09:50 Kirara
09:55 B tier
10:03 Layla, Gorou, Thomas, Faruzan + Faruzan strenght talk
11:01 Candace ??
11:49 Beidou + her cons talk
13:19 RIP YunJin
13:24 Sayu, Lisa + Lisa underrated
14:25 Kachina
14:32 C tier
14:33 Mika + Eula hate
15:28 Kaeya, Rosaria
15:57 TF Razor
16:25 Yanfei
16:50 Dori
17:11 Diona + her place in ayaka team
18:33 Gaming
20:16 Gaming Calcs
29:00 End of Calcs
29:04 Sethos
29:38 nah, not sure
29:46 Charlotte
30:06 D tier
30:10 Condolence tier
30:14 Sara
30:17 That's It !
30:20 nevermind, kaveh change
30:41 Amber
31:15 Why some bad characters are high ?
32:32 Conclusion
32:38 Zajef after seeing Xingqiu's disappearance in new characters best team
Why’d he spend ten minutes on Gaming calcs😭
@@Kate.Somethingorother Cause it's zaj
i’m now disappointed because i wanted him to compare his list to soluna’s
you can watch the vod, he watches the video after this
Yeah I was waiting for that
Chevy might be #2. It’s her or fischl for me. Both vital to some strong team comps and neither can really be replaced in their good teams. Fischl carries aggravate, Chevy is the only reason overload isn’t a meme. And both of those are many 5* units’ best teams
#1 is obviously Bennett
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I would argue that compared to her peers, Diona still provides quite a bit more to a team at c0 than other 4 star characters. She is still a fairly competent shielder with excellent uptime, provides plenty of cryo particles in which you could easily run Favonus Warbow or Sac Bow. The shield in question has some helpful properties, such as a team wide cleanse, speed boost, and stamina reduction. Which individually isn't doing much, but you have to look at everything together. Then she provides some off field cryo application with her ult in a reasonable size AOE.
I feel like if Kiara gets a slot in A, and Layla gets a slot in B, then Diona, who essentially does what they can do deserves to be just as high as either of them.
My opinion is that Chevreuse is the best C0
The amount of power she provides for such a low cost is crazy.
She's great, but I think Bennett is the undisputed #1 because of his versatility
Most Chevy teams use Bennett, but a lot of Bennett teams don't need Chevreuse
Bennett at C0 isen't worth, you're assuming C1 or higher
He is still the best at c0 . @@CelVini
@@CelVini c0 is fine, only takes a second to heal back up to get his buff, just don't get hit
@@baguette_connoisseur
Bennett ororon and cheveruse are all top tier at C0 , Bennett better at C1
Zajef: *explains all the reasons why XQ needs his cons*
Also Zajef: puts him in S anyways
IFUCKINGCANT
He talks about c6 fischl electro app being better than c0 while ignoring the double hydro app from the 5 rainswords on c6 XQ
If you tell him that he would just batchest the interrupt resistance
He's just that good lol
Zajef really cannot get past his hate for Eula. She’s bad but Mika at C0 basically has no synergy with her at all. If anything he has anti-synergy by forcing her to stay in to receive his buffs (40% dmg bonus at MAX btw, most other dps can run Kazuha or scroll, Eula needs Mika in a 3+ enemy situation).
Even at C6 you need Furina to have him even come close to C5 Benny + C6 Rosaria. The notion that Eula got a buff in Mika is like saying Wanderer got a buff with Xianyun.
I was LITERALLY about to comment this. I'm not a Eula glazer and totally agree she has issues but saying "she doesn't need better supports she's just shit and Mika should be enough" is absolutely incorrect. His physical buffs and shred also aren't at the same rate as someone like Faruzan, especially if we're comparing C0, so his main use is his attack speed buff and healing (hence the Wanderer and Yoimiya teams with Furina). With his spd buff, Eula *might* be able to get one more stack in before her burst timer runs out assuming you're staying on-field for the whole duration. Eula's a mid unit, but he's also mid for her.
I like watching these videos for pre release info, but remember he also said that Mika is good with Xiao-Furina before.
C6 Mika + Furina is still a better team than C5 Benny + C6 Rosaria for Eula.
Not only it lets you C6 Bennett for pyro carries, but the damage is more spread out instead of it all being focused on Eula's burst, and also no cringe circle impact.
28:59 spreadsheet impact ends
It wouldn't be a tier list Zajef video without Zajef moving goalposts of the tier list itself everytime.
The tier list originally was about "how good is this 4 star at c0 still?", not "how little does this 4 star gain from constellations?"
havent watched, i just know xingqiu is top 5
edit: hey TECHNICALLY the row isn't ordered soooooooo he is and isn't shit man idk 😂
surprisingly he's not
I guess by technicality he was the 6th character placed… even if they aren’t ordered… but still, Zajef saw the future and just decided the screw with your prediction
He shouldn't
Bennett xianling kuki cheveruse ororon are all better than him
This is a weird list, it's not best 4* at c0 it's what 4* don't need cons/don't get much from cons. Cuz Xiangling and xq are amazing at c0 but that's not what this list is
Fishl?
Fischl in A tier is crazy talk
man it's all over the screen again
what
Sorry i've been pent up for 3 weeks now.
@@jackjohnson8305is okay lil bro. Did you let it all out?
@@ayushanand7933 Yeah i can breath much better now, having the flu around the holiday season is painful.
can i help clean
If Iansan is an electro carry then i think the Chevruse team with Ororon is gonna become S tier.
4 star electro carry, yikesss
Iansan is a 4* expect her to be sethos level
I can't imagine the first Natlan character that they reveal at the beginning of the game would be a 4 star. Granted, there technically is a precedent with Lynette, but still...
@@Blackoutdmc And Ninguang as well.
@@vinyasperla Hmm, I would agree, but she was originally meant to be a 5 star character.
I think the fair way to do it is assuming every 4 star in their best team
Half of them would just be in a team that's getting carried by arle and neuv so no
Still playing down the prinzessin in 2024 is insane, girl just gets better, even c0
im surprised lanyan is already top 5 being the latest 4stars.
Literally the best to pick on lantern rite if ur not summoning on the 2nd phase 5.3
still surprised me citlali and lanyan are not on the same banner, but hoping chev is also on the 2nd phase along lanyan.
LY chev and candace would be a hot banner
"People overestimate C1", bro, have you actually read the C1, it doesn't just allow you to heal, it also gives you an ATK% buff if you're under 70% HP
tbf you heal so much with bennet that you're going to be above 70% most of the time. The average healing bennet will give around 7-8k heals a tick. It's often around 50% of a characters HP in the teams that he is in.
@imjustaguycalledsano mine only 4k😢
@imjustaguycalledsano Most teams use Furina too, Bro is pretty much in unplayable with her. She will not be the only ones dropping your hp in Those teams. Enemies do. This coming from someone who owns C2 Furina and bro is at C5 without C6 activated and still finds it hard to keep up with her draining.
Unless you are using Furina, it takes like a second before your carry is at max health in a bennett team
@robinj4286 thats because he is a single target healer.
If you want use him with Furina you need to run full Maiden set to maximise healing
Zajef is MASSIVELY undervaluing C1 Bennet. It's like he just forgot that it removes the HP condition for the Atk buff. Losing the Atk buff is one of the worst parts of C0 Bennet. It's a 1k Atk buff. Losing that feels shitty as hell.
I think he talked about that in other video. Since the atk buff lingers for a few seconds after loosing it and the ult itself heals a lot very fast, there are not that many situations when you loose a lot of uptime for not having the C1.
Aside from Furina and Arlecchino teams that's not an issue at all
@@nikmerkulov2790 Aside from the best character in the game and the arguably best DPS in the game? Yup totally not.
Is there going to be a Pyro Traveler analysis??
I keep finding videos where they only analyze traveler at C0
personally i put fishcl on S because i cant live without c1 bennet and c2 xingqiu but i survived without c6 fishcl (my fishcl is c4). Like i had to pull bennet/xingqiu/xiangling cons on whatever banner they are in (not caring the limited 5*) before to get their cons. But i never felt the need for e6 fishcl.
Faruzan at c0, based on the rules that he put, should be very low on the list. She gains the most from constellations and is almost an entirely different character at c6. She gains a new artifact set option (TotM), has off field dps and energy gen (which is absolutely abysmal without cons), and becomes a premium option in her niche.
the tierlist isnt how much they gain from cons, its how good they are at c0. yes faruzan gets a ton from c2 and c6 but she's still very good at c0 because of how strong her buffs are.
Even at C0 faruzan is the best anemo support for anemo hypercarries like Xiao and wanderer
Try playing Wanderer without faruzan lmao
Faruzan is such a huge dps increase that having a C6 faruzan is more valuable than wanderer/Xiao cons
while it is true that C6 faruzan is like a completely different character it does not change the fact that even at C0 she is irreplaceable in Xiao,wanderer teams
It's hilarious how much a character that's a hyperbloom triggering healer will get underrated because people don't like her. Especially with the Papilla needing elemental hits being a consideration at the start and yet completely ignored as an upside for Dori, whose ult hits every .4 seconds. Like being ult dependent (with a fair bit of down time) and not having her healing follow the player is undeniable a notable downside compared to Kuki, but she's absolutely not *that* much lower.
I can already see the amount of dislikes coming this way because of that thumbnail
"i can see the amount if diskikes" so this was a lie
@@EmptyD0ll😋
Gorou is way too high. Geo is no longer a mono element, and he really sucks sub c6 in mono teams. What're you going to buff with him at c0? C1 Chiori? Albedo? Going to farm for petra? Like who would suggest this strat to a player dealing with c0 units and their wits/mora/resin?
Nah he’s good where he is,he still does his job really well at c0 his other constellations besides c6 are all quality of life buffs because he’s not clunky or tedious to build
@m4hiiro for what purpose? What does he do at c0 that makes him valuable at all? Is it an all 5* team? The criteria shouldn't change for one of the 4* when the others are held to a higher standard.
He is the only character who buffs defence, it is very valuable for defence scaling characters and he does it perfectly well at c0.
@wannabehero939 what character is strictly defense scaling for a large portion of their kit other than albedo? Yunjin? It doesn't make sense to buff Yunjin with gorou anymore. Just because he's good at it c0 does not mean it's at all useful.
@@dleise xilonin,itto, Noelle,chiori, mono geo
Sethos doesn't need his constellations. It does almost nothing for him cuz his best playstyle is Lv1 CA spam, which none of his Constellations help with.
You don't need C6 Fischl either since Sethos never uses his Normal ATK. He also has Overload teams now thanks to the recent buff to the reaction damage.
Lv1 CA spam is best for ST, but that's not Sethos's speciality
@@mechatr0nix His unintended playstyle is his best playstyle. Fischl is already Single Target locked anyways.
Even in AoE, Full EM Sethos spamming Overload with his Lv1 CA still does more damage than both of his intended playstyles; thanks to the recent buff.
Who would've thought that giving someone a better ICD than their intended playstyle was a good idea.
@@AevyCh With which team, and do you have a video reference? I know he can land up to 23x Lv1 CAs with EMC support, and can do an 8N2W combo in other teams. I'm curious if you can give up a character like Nahida or Sucrose and get more damage.
My team has C2R1 Nahida, C2R1 Xilo and C6 Beidou. I think Beidou works wonderfully with C2 Xilo support and that team wrecks AoE content
Amber is funny because she is required for Wriothesley/Emilie burn-melt to clear any Aeonblight Drakes the abyss throws at you.
Cleared 5.2 ("Hardest Abyss") with her easily.
So lanyan is good enough at C0 good now I just need to get her from the selector because I do not intend on pulling on that banner
Sitting here sooo lost on Lynette
Nah, on early days all c0 benny was to me was healer on relatively long cd, cos my dodge was not good so i was constantly getting damaged and thrown around...
Actual buff uptime was negligable till i got c1
Also there are pyro torches in sumeru technically
i want an analyzis on how good the c2 4 stars are because on average if youre going for a 4 star youre gonna get like c2 maybe c3
It would be cool to see updated c6 4* tier list 😊
I had C5 Fischl until 3 months ago and she was still a beast. Also for Collei and Kaveh I guess he forgor about dendro MC?
Traveller is a5*
Zaj seemed to lose his focus on what he was attempting to accomplish; instead of evaluating the C0 4-stars’ overall values compared to each other, he began to evaluate how important their constellations are, and compared the characters’ C0 values to their values with constellations …
I see Xiangling still maintaining her place as the pyro archon
(Yes even after Mavuika)
Xiangling? More like Bennett.
XL will be replaced in most of team except child and raiden
Copium, shes not even the the best Pyro 4*, if anything Bennet is the Pyro Archon
she's not better than mavuika and only a better option in childe team which is a bad team in abyss these days. get over it
@@TaigaZzz "most teams" so basically solo pyro applicator teams, shes always been subpar in those teams so it makes sense, but being replaced in her normal national variations aint happening which u did sort of mention with Raiden. same with chevy teams i'd imagine she's ganna stay there cuz mauvika really really wants Vape/Melt for her teams
You know. I would put Fischl in S and Charlotte in B, other than that it's a solid fkn list. Not much to complain tbh.
16:50 DORI MENTIONED 🗣 🔥 🔥
Hello @zajef I wanted to ask on which character I should invest to on a tighnari team? Lanyan or kirara the reason why I'm kinda stuck I because kirara overall has better synergy with tighnari with shorter durations and aswell as dendro resonance but I will most like bench tighnari after getting my next dps after mavuika and most likely have no use for my kirara after looking at the characters I want to pull hence why lanyan is a strong option even after I bench my tighnari she can still be used for Nuevillete, taser teams and other teams that need a shield like clorinde and Arlecchino teams
Also considering Xinque and Beidou which I don't have yet I'm also considering them especially Beidou for tighnari teams to replace lisa and overall utility because I don't have much particular use for Xinque right know
These are my teams:
Mavuika/xilonen/bennet/kazuha
(Furina/citlali will be better than kazuha I just don't have them yet)
Tighnari/fischl/lisa/kirara or lanyan
(Beidou to replace lisa and yao² maybe)
depends on what you want/which dps youre going for next (if u dont have many options kirara is also good on hyperbloom for dendro resonance)
if electro/dendro then prolly kirara, if others then lanyan
realistically tho both are good addition for your imaginarium theatre anyway so just a matter of time you have both built
c6 4 star tier list when?
That is why its hard to take zajef seriously nowadays. Xingqiu at c0 is not good enough, he lacks hydro app, uptime (for a 21 sec E), er goes really high, low damage (you can compare to Barbara Sea Dyed), but is higher than Fischl that even at c0 can do a lot of damage on aggravate teams, more damage than C0 XL in some teams, also her pyro app sometimes is not enough for some characters at C0 because of the uptime.
Bennett would be S, because C1 is not just the buff, i think zajef skipped fontaine, so he does not know how BoL is a pain in the ass with Bennett and how some characters lose hp while using their skills, also Furina exists. C1 is not a QoL for him, but needed for some specific teams.
Can someone explain y Lynette c೦ is in same tier as oz and guoba?
Gaming in C tier just doesn't make sense.
Why is he talking about team investment costs? In a tier list where you compare raw C0 strength you should put every character in their best conditions to show their highest potential.
My C0 Gaming absolutely slaps and I still regularly played him eventhough I got zero cons before I got Hu Tao for my plunge team. I would easily put him high A or low S tier. It really feels like he went out of his way to give him a low ranking while he mindlessly put lynette, heizou and collei so high up.
what is the Mualani-Candace team Zajeff mentions?
I think it's for teams with anemo units where you use Candace for VV setups, so something like Mualani - XL - Sucrose/kazuha - Candace
@@romankarol5370 yes, and i believe xilonen also works in the anemo units place. also candace would use instructor set to buff mualanis vapes.
At 40k HP, Candace gives a 40% NA damage buff for Mualani + hydro resonance
Mualani, Xilonen, XL, Flex.
Flex slot can be Candace or Sucrose. Candcae is better for some scenarios, while Sucrose is better for others
Barbara should be much higher because Nilou exist and there are 4 major use of Barbara (tank driver, EM trigger, buff healer and plunge attacker) which the same can't be applied to most characters, and almost none of them depend on her cons. Her c2 doesn't even matter in Nilou team if sac frag has that covered.
Bro you build full em, you are not getting a particularly tanky unit or ine which heals particularly much.
She had that ring interraction till 5.1 but since that is fixed she ain't anything special
@@mayukhmondal5552 She heals more than enough since you usually onfield her a lot in teams where you run her em anyway. Dying shouldnt be an issue unless you get hit by literally everything. But at that point its not a barbara exclusive issue. She is not more/less tanky than other characters. If you also happen to get a few hp subs here and there even better. In
And she is still a consistent carry at c0 in plunge teams. Most 4 star c0 carries have a huge damage dropoff. Barbara pretty much loses nothing by not having c6 while for characters like gaming its almost a requirement due to the amount of damage increase he gets
You also have her main usecase of just being a healer which she does perfectly fine.
@@blacksuitedsonic but that doesn't change the fact that gaming at c0 already does 3x barbaras dmg at c0 as a plunge carry 🗿
You cannot get gaming dmg on anh barbara carry so whats the point????
Also since em barbara even as an onfielder can never match actually good nilou slot ins in app, the dmg is pretty bad .
Credit where credit is due, barbara can run TTDS and no artifacts so can be used as an IT ticket for hydro needing ITs, maybe even get an instructors in where relevant
@@mayukhmondal5552 idk what kinda gaming you running at c0 that does 3x barbara damage but certainly not at c0 gaming.
You always have to consider the cost of the teams to make it fair. barbara team only has 1 cost with xianyun so the only 5 star in gamings team also is either xianyun or furina. you also cant run a 5 star weapon. I tried serpent spine but thats a spreadsheet weapon since you usually dont have any shields.
If you go max out everything around them then yeah gaming probably does like 3x barbara damage with c2 key furina, c2r1 xianyun but at least with my setup i dont get 3x damage and i think i have a pretty good mh set
@@blacksuitedsonic I mean its a meme team so obviously a proper team will just outperform it to that degree. Maybe 3x is a hyoerbole but you get the point.
The amount of resources you need to make barbara function as a carry is so high that investing that into a proper carry gives you a lot more output
Beidou's C6 has garbage range, no?
Yep, genuinely hugging distance, it's bad on any ranged team.
3:25
MASSIVE? You know what else is massive? 😏
15:28 that's wrong, she is also hips, thighs and "personality"
Are you saying characters names weird on purpose?
Yanfei is B, definitely. She is amazing against hydro and electro bosses, mainly of they move a lot.
Now do it with c6 four stars
Hello beautiful man
Xq being that high at c0 when blud is suffering from ER issues and low dmg output is crazy lmao.
Well, its zajeff, so gooning over Xq is to be expected, no matter how delusional the take is.
ER issues? What ... 200ER go sac sword do EQE and repeat once burst is over and you'll have your burst back since most xingqiu teams will generate good amounts of particles. yes his c6 is very nice for energy but its not ganna make his ER hard to meet at all. and also xingqiu's damage may be lower yes but his application is still fast enough for basically every scenario you'd want
@@soroushkowsarian3364 Well if we're assuming C0, we also have to assume R1 Weapons. How on earth are you going to get R5 Sac Sword as a relatively new player, especially when the 4* pool become more & more inflated every other patch?
Getting a Sac Sword in v5.0 is significantly less likely than in v1.0. Weapon Banner isn't any better either.
You're not just losing out on ER, but also damage & more importantly Hydro Application from both C2 & C6 combined.
@@AevyChpretty sure zajefs process was xinqiu is ur only option if u have no yelan or furina on a new acc meaning by default he’s a good c0 unit I mean ur other options are Candace or Barbara for application…
@@LauraJinkins-pi8sv nah zajef is obviously bias here, why da f he even put fischl, xiangling lower than xq when this 2 literally has no one to replace them👽
if he's THAT bad at C0, then better use C0 Barbara or Candace or Hydro MC. Truth is, XQ is your best '4 star' hydro option for ALMOST HALF A DECADE and his strong competitors are LIMITED 5 stars
Disagree with Barbara but I agree with Collei.
She smoked that onion and drake
bennett at c0 is garbage in most meta (furina) teams tho, I would not put him anywhere near the top at c0
Yeah Zejeff forgot about coz most teams use Furina or If you use Arlecchino you are pretty much screwed. C0 Bennett is shitty with Furina and Arlecchino coz won't have good atk uptime in those teams. So in conclusion he belongs to the same tier as others needing cons.
@@robinj4286 so Bennett need to carry furina? Or else furina will have low dmg,low buff
@@robinj4286 apparently teams without Furina and Arle don't exist, so Bennett is shit womp womp
@@Moontonboss it's not because of that for Atk scalers Bennett's buff matters. He is not carrying Furina, she prefers AOE healers, Doesn't care for him.
@@nikmerkulov2790 They do though Mualani, Kinich, Chevy overload, Nilou bloom, Hyperbloom, etc
what about barbara
i sound to your videos
Oooh that’s nasty…
Bennett in his own tier when he often doesn't even give an attack buff at c0 XD
Just build HP on him and he heals in 1 sec over the 70% HP limit.
For an offensive Bennett build c1 matters a lot, but for an pure Support one (wich are the most builds) it dosn‘t matter much, besides the 20% less atk buff
charlotte or mika over diona for ayaka... literally a spreadsheet warrior
What about a c6 one 🙂↕️
Amount of stupid people saying C0 Bennett bad or even not worth is wild.
For 2 years he was C0 i never see more then 2 seconds without buff.
I guess if you not build hp on him at all and face tanking every possible hit like moron? Can't relate, sorry. Zhong exists exactly for people like this.
I have a reason to build Candice? I have her at c6 so that's cool. I have the Knave so what's the sitch?
She buffs normal attacks and, at c6, she applies hydro when you normal attack (it's not very fast but it's fast enough for Arle to vape every reactible hit). On top of that, her hydro app is aoe
So she's, like, a bit better than xingqiu in aoe situations (not by much mind you but it's good to free him up for the other side or just have variety)
Very good in triple Kenki abyss
Nah you need C1 Bennett
You don't need C1 for him to function good enough. You really think not getting the ATK buff for the first tick is a big deal? You'll heal by the 1st tick and you get the buff on the 2nd tick. You just have to wait 1 second. For Xiangling you can like just pop a Guoba before doing her burst and you're over 70% HP by that time. And losing 173 ATK buff is not so big when you still get 1030 ATK buff without C1.
@@kibathefang6022it does againts some enemies like wolford and or teams with furina, and for casual people who have skill issue, fighting like the hydro tupla, you will lose 50% of buff uptime on non-snapshot damage
15:08 bro is delusional. First of all, its eula.
Second, as someone who has nog simped eula for a day in his life. she still as good numbers
You give her three proper supporst, she becomes proper meta no question. Rn she has ZERO supports
Give an electro support that buffs all physical damage in your entire party (maybe even electro and cryo damage). And two off field physical damage dealers
No more hypercarry problem, no more energy problem (with those two off fielders being cryo), no more backload problem, no more problem where you have yo do an entire rotation if enemy has a little health left
Mika is just as much a dogshit eula support as she is a dogshit carry for him yo support. There is zero synergy
eula copium in almost-2025? crazy
@@vorpal1174 wait let him cook🙏
Holy cope bro 😭😭
@ISMythix go look at EULA raiden rosaria Bennet speedruns. Go look at Jamie's vid on “are cryo DPS's underrated and the Eula section
And tell me to my face how ANY of those characters are remotely optimal. EULA has not gotten an upgrade since 2.1!
I don't like her, I never plan on pulling her. But she has the raw numbers to be good, she has zero teammates.
The back load in her kit isn't a problem if you have subdps's going off or you buff her enough that her NA string can finish one wave. Just imagine if xiao didn't get any character after 2.x. he would be the shittiest carry of today
on must imagine mika happy
Ilao ilao
but chevreuse does gain a fuck ton w c6, like sure she doesent NEED it, but you're comparing her to 2 characters who only care for their c2 and one character that only cares for c1 in the very slightest, whereas c6 is a massive buff for chevy
Ok can someone tell me what's so good about Lanyan ?
Anemo unit (Can use VV) who is a catalyst (Can use TTDS) and gives defensive utility
And she doesn't have significant cons, so she's good even at c0
VV anemo shielder, first in the game
@@Tundra_Hunter nah i heard she need c2
@@Moontonboss Certainly not necessary since it's just more defensive utility, but it is nice to have.
0:52 O cholera, czy to Freddy Fazbear?
Imagine being:
- Anemo
- TTDS holder
- 18-19k hp shield applier
and stil SOMEHOW being worse than cringe circle impact.
Truly a tielrlist of all time
this is a fair tier. bennet is just that good that as long as the char scales attack, he's viable. my only opinion is kuki and xinqui should be higher since they really enable hyperbloom which is a cheap team. didnt watch the video but i really dont know how to use sucrose so for me ill put her lower. just my take 😅 chev,,,, i dont know, i dont have her c6 so im not using her yet
if u don’t know how to use her why would you put her lower
@deedeesga34 if i dont use her or dont know how to use her, then why put her higher?? again "my take" 👍👍👍
@ then just keep her where she is, you not knowing how to use her doesn’t make her bad especially considering how easy she is to play
@@deedeesga34 i didnt said shes bad. im just saying she'll be behind xq and kuki. sorry if you thought that saying lower is putting her on other tier below, but all im saying is putting xq and kuki before her.
i agree w sucrose tbh. she’s easily replaceable by kazuha. she may be better in some cases but she’s just really inconvenient sometimes. meanwhile kuki and xq can be competitive or coexist with their 5 star counterparts raiden and yelan. the fact that she’s still one of the two best anemo groupers still keeps her in that tier though. especially if you just don’t have kazuha
Irrelevant list. C0 4 star is irrelevant for the game right now, some are good at c2, bennet, kuki, some are good at c6, some are only good at c6.
The xq take was so bad, i closed the video
Bro stop yelling wtf
Lanyan's a flop
Being anemo+catalyst makes her unfloppable by design
@Tundra_Hunter Still a flop. We will be getting Gaming or Xiangling instead wbk
Bait used to be believable
@@Kim_Imyoung unflopped your flop
@@Kim_Imyoungxiangling glaze is December 2024 💔💔💔
kind of a useless tier list... who is really aiming for a C0 4 star?
it's just food for thought and yk newer players
Xinque is only value is his Application and at C0 he should be Qiqi tier im not even kidding
The damage reduction and interruption resist is crazy good
? you know that even at c0 he has the best hydro app in the game… c0 Xingqiu still has more app than Yelan or Furina.
@@aerohydra3849 His c0 app becomes exactly same as yelan without orbitals , but yelan has shorter cooldowns so she technically has better app vs c0 xq
But app isn't super relevant tbvh .
Most quick-bloom based teams have a love hate relationship with app, where they get better quicken uptime on low app and more seeds on high app which effectively balances out ....and then you have double hydro for hu tao, the most App demanding pyro carry, so the only places app kinda even matters is when you are trying to vape every hit of XL , which was relevant like 2 years ago, nowadays you have better ways of doing dmg.
Bro thinks his rainswords are constellation locked
@@aerohydra3849he literally dosnt. Yelan applies as much if not more. Xq applies hydro every 1s, same as yelan. If u want to consider his orbitals,they arent reliable and they have very low application, but for arguments sake, lets consider 2-3 apps from that. Yelans E applies hydro and so does her burst extra procs from her E. Furthermore, her burst initial hit applies 2u.