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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- This 2013 documentary tells the stories of two families in Milwaukee-one black, one white-in a battle to keep from sliding into poverty.
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“Two American Families” raises questions about the U.S. economy and the declining middle class through the stories of the Neumanns and the Stanleys, which began when the breadwinners in both families lost their well-paying factory jobs. For more than two decades, Correspondent Bill Moyers documented their struggle to keep their homes, their health insurance and their dignity.
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That's quite impressive! Can you share more information about your financial advisor?
Nicole Anastasia Plumlee is the coach that guides, you probably might've come across her before I found her through a Newsweek report, she's quite known in her field, look-her up.
Thank you so much! This is exactly what I needed right now. I wrote her an email and am waiting for her reply. Hopefully, she responds soon. I plan to start the year on a strong financial note.
I cried when jackie said she felt like a failure. YOU are Not! You raised 5 beautiful children who didn’t stray towards evil, you succeeded at a marriage for all those years, you kept your head up & your faith in God....you are a smart, beautiful, successful woman! Never doubt that! ❤️👍🏻❤️
And they didn't lose their beautifully decorated and well-maintained home.
@@emzywillrich7243 And my parents are still in the same home PAID OFF... and its even more fab.. Thanks too bad you guys didn't see the FUN part of us growing up!
Yup
@@Excellence4 hey hope everyone is well would really like to see a 2021 update blessings
@@Excellence4 Maybe you should give video updates on your channel. I'd subscribe. Your parents are AMAZING! I wish your mother could mentor me.
When Keith zips up his gown to be the first man in his family to graduate high school... That smile deserves all the love in the world!
That's amazing to think about, right?
Put a smile on my face to see Keith move up that economic and social ladder. Education and support from parents proved to be the key.
I was genuinely surprised by how much it affected the children later in life. Truly watching generational poverty unfold.
I don't know why you're surprised. The opportunities their parents had were gone by the time they came of age, and they didn't have enough money or stability for college for the most part.
The Stanleys were the ideal but the Newmans are the reality and the rule rather than the exception.
Feel bad for both families working so hard and still in poverty. Then I see reports of record high profits for corporations, record high executives pay and record high stock market but hard working people just scraping by.
The people filmed grew up on the old rule...do unto others. In THIS world...it's prey or predator...not much in between. 90% of the human race....is prey. There's a word for the remaining 10%.......psychopaths...the corporate one's.
When our grandparents were young and starting a family they only needed 30% of their income to get by and buying a house was $1,200.
When my parents were young and starting a family they needed 60% of their income to buy a house and save towards retirement.
When my husband and I were young and starting our family we needed 90% of our income to have the same luxury as our parents and their parents, as well as sending our kids to school.
My children are young adults and starting their lives and to have a roof over their heads, heat, water, food, and medical they need 120% of their income, no luxuries no extras...they are living on credit...
How is it that we are being asked to pay 30% more with each generation but the money available through work isn't able to pay for basic needs?
Corporate greed, the feeding of those open hungry mouths of investors demanding to be fed at the cost of human life is barbaric
Something has to change if we are all to survive this next wave of poverty coming...
@@ethanswimmer1287 gee I wonder what generation you come from? And whether your from a well off family were everything was handed to you or are you from one that is maybe half as resilient as these people??
I feel bad for the black family, they were working hard. The white family were their own worst enemies. Each of them were just making decisions counter to any kind of logic about what makes sense based on your scurrent situation and what your prospects are.
So it's interesting those who blame the poor people, are probably those who have everything they need and feel untitled to keep it! How often have we all made mistakes, turned the wrong way, or even assumed the economy would stay strong? But, unfortunately, those who have have little or no empathy for those who don't have!
What bothered me about the Neuman daughter (as adult) was she worked in the medical field and is supporting her husband who is unemployed and living in his parents house. Yet, her own mother loses her house. I just think the daughter and her husband should have lived in HER mom’s house helping her mom.
Exactly 👏👏👏👏
YES!!! THIS!!!!! Hell will freeze over before I let my parents lose their home. Period.
It was disturbing to know that everyone allowed her to bear that burden alone. Her sons stayed with her and did nothing.
Agree. Americans have become too individualistic. Families need to work together and have each others back.
That family isn't very supportive of each other.
I’m siting here amazed at how this doc mirrors my life experiences in terms of being raised up during the same time period as the children in the film . I’m 36 , a black/male and raised in Baltimore. I also chose not to have children, due to my fear of struggling to provide for a family in uncertain times....I feel like this doc was sad and motivational. It may of just brought on a mid life crisis for me , but that’s ok ! It’s funny how life works.
Dear Joe, please do not give up! I survived the pains of poverty that often tested my will to live. Some how I escaped the hard work in the southern tobacco fields to a wonderful life in Germany. When times were hard I often cried, but I never gave up my dream to seek out and explore the paths of success. Apropos, I also have family in Baltimore!
I know a lot of people probably won''t agree, but I think not having kids is a smart move. I'm 41 and decided not to have children. I think it just keeps you stuck in a financial trap. You can see it in this documentary, with the family that divorced, and you have to work 2 or 3 jobs or work crazy shifts which leaves your children open to negative influences, or not having the time and wisdom and guidance of a parent. I think more people may need to rethink having children instead of just being lead by biological urges...
@@ilovemytribe I agree with you but many ppl want kids and how sad is it that they can't make it in our society. We were doing great in life. I was a stay at home mom after getting a Bach degree and working a great career. It started going downhill when our oldest was 15. We've gone from 6 figures to my husband unemployed and me working a $13/hr job full time where they(illegally) don't allow me to take my hour lunch and they don't pay me for working thru lunch. So I work 45 hrs/week and only get paid for 40hrs and when I work under 40 hrs then I only get paid for those hours. We literally went from being upper middle class to poverty. How were we supposed to know that would happen when we first had kids? Now I wish I didn't have kids cuz this country is horrible and their future is bleak.
@@ogg5949 What career were you in?
@@ashfrancine5901 I graduated with a BS degree in international marketing, Spanish and South American history in 89. I worked as account manager/ quality control engineer in the supplier chain to the auto industry. I started in tier 3 and ended in tier 1. Obviously I live in the Detroit area. I quit in 2000 to have kids.
The way Jackie looks at Claude with such love and admiration is just beautiful ❤❤❤ every time the camera pans over to her when she’s looking at him, she’s so warm with hearts in her eyes
Sad! owing still OVER 100Gr after 25 yrs 🤬JP Morgan's fees, penalties, NOT budging on monthly/ interest. Then SOLD it, for $38Gr. WHY not HELP THE ONE who paid on the house (her home) for 25 yrs!
Omg that's terrible, talk about a kick up the arse
Heartless and greedy
Banks do not care... they make their money from the ones who owe
That's right!
Remember banks got tax payer bail out money because ''they were too big to fail''? so they had no reason to care.
The Stanley’s kind of remind me of my parents. I was born in 1993 and my sister in 1995. My dad dropped out of high school and got his GED. Neither went to college. My parents worked 5 jobs between them at one point. My mom did daycare so she could stay home with us kids. My dad worked at a paint company and took the janitor position after hours at that same warehouse to make extra money. My mom did greeting cards, stampin up, pampered chef, and secret shopping/taste testing for various places. They also owned a vending machine company. I spent many many days at the car dealerships they serviced. I remember going to the snack supply warehouse to pick up our orders and to the grocery stores with the best sales on cans of soda. Our home’s utility room was the storage for all the snacks and soda. All the while my parents put my sister and I through private school. My dad was laid off from his good paying IT job during the financial crisis and my mom had her hours cut from 40 down to 28 per week. Through all those struggles and hard times that could have ripped our family apart, they stayed together and have been happily married for 33 years now. My dad always tells my sister and I “you can let the pressures and stresses of life tear your marriage apart, or you can use them to push you closer together”. They are truly my biggest inspiration.
I have a coin-op vending coffee machine that cost me as much as a nice used car. And since I don't have a business office to set it up, it graces my living room. It was supposed to have been the crux of a new home business. What could have I been thinking. And the answer is I got hypnotized by the fraud, hit over the head with it for once instead of ignoring it, but then by some miracle and a bunch of new debt I replenished (before completely dying of the austerity) my savings account and put the nightmare behind me. BUT HOW can anyone afford a whole fleet of them? My goodness, even in hard times how things have changed. And really it's so shocking how regular people can be immoral enough and well off enough to turn around and take advantage of poor people who cant afford to lose anything. And ensure they do just that, so they can buy a car or escape to the Islands or hide any criminality or tax penalty or accountability because its really so much like normal business if not identical 2 it...
The Stanley’s are an amazing couple. To think that woman thought of herself as a failure is heartbreaking. She is quite the heroine in my book. So is Terry. It is sad she is alone. But she is also a fighter with a great spirit.
The Mom facing prejudice as a woman in general and then on top of that as a black woman, I'm sorry. I will never understand why anyone would think that they are better than another.
To all of those whom would not call Mrs. Stanley to sell your property for you.... You are the ones with the problem not her!
She is nice, calm, pretty and hard-working. The father works hard to and that family has love. Love is key ingredient to success and yet so many lack it.
Truly something special--"after all that I have been through, I still have joy"!
Claude is such a wonderful man...Dad and Husband. He is one of a kind. He has had a hard life but he perseveres and smiles. He deserves a vacation. I pray he gets one before he dies. ❤
I can't believe both moms thought they were failures, I think they were inspirations .Both families good, honest American families. I think if they would've moved out of that State, they would've been more prosperous. I know it's hard to move away from what you've known all your life, but it has to be done.
Jackie Stanley has such beautiful sweet smile the that the room gets brighter every time she smiles! (even remotely. from watching this on youtube) What a fabulous lady.
They both do!
Wow the housing options with the bank policies are crazy in America! I don't live in America, in my country even banks and construction companies are never this greedy and cold-hearted!
That's kind of hard to believe. If it's true, it's only because your country has much stricter regulations.
Its not out of kindness that the banks in your part of the world arent as leacherous.
I have so much respect for the parents in this story. They hustled as much as they could to provide for their kids. Looking at this from 2021, it would seem foolish to assume you can support a whole family on just the father’s income working at a factory without any degrees - but back then I guess it was normal to expect that. Now it’s widely understood that even with an education, you might still be hard pressed to find good employment. I hope my children are more successful than me.
The key is with all the tools available today to research through the internet, one can check and see which careers are most lucrative even without a degree and are always going to be in demand. For example, plumbing, hvac techs, welders have some of the highest hourly rates. If you want to get a degree, same thing applies. Getting a degree in Literature is not going to get one a high paying jobs unless you are good at sales. However even a two year degree in nursing , is going to start earning at least $60K. It is especially important for young women who may end up as single mothers. Another myth is one must like their job. 90% of people don't like or enjoy their jobs but it pays a great salary to meet their financial goals to live a decent life style.
Too bad the system is even more corrupt. Your children will need a specific skill to do better.
People do it even now.
He's sad to want to abandon his family by threatening divorce ( He is a coward to put her through that additional stress). At least she's trying. She has to take the burden of talking to the mortgage company, making baskets, cooking/cleaning, going to get food at food bank.
And then he goes to look for work in short shorts, who is going to take him seriously in those days.
The guy was a douchebag
The only one hustling harder
than the two families
in this documentary is,
J. P. Morgan Chase Bank.
This documentary feels so old (2013). I appreciate it; an updated video would be grate. I think PBS has. Good information. Life seems worse today.
So he wants a divorce because he can’t handle it?!? What does that even mean? Run away and let her do it all by herself? Jfc
This was a great documentary on two American families and their ability to persevere and endure the hardships of life. The inspiration is their Faith kept them going in their journey. I pray struggles does not make us selfish and self centered and forget about the family members who supported and sacrificed for us with their lives. Thank you for the insight and the inspiration. May Americans never lose our Faith and hope.
Trailer trash or homeless, these are our choices now.
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Shiiiiiiiiiid u crazy ASF 🥴🤣🤦🏿♂️
20:05 This kid is very intelligent
I'm not a kid. 65 and retired.
@@sallysalberg9359Not everyone has the same life experience. These people did nothing wrong. The people in this interview worked hard and are still struggling. It's not a choice but life circumstance. I don't see trailer trash or homeless.
It's heartbreaking to see what these families are going through. Absolutely heartbreaking.
We need jobs that pay a true living wage for everyone.
COSTS GO UP, GOVERNMENT CONTINUES DEMANDING MORE TAXES, BUT MONEY DOES NOTHING, IT IS THE VALUE IT IS GIVEN.
IF THERE WAS VALUE, WHY ARE WE HANDING OUT BILLIONS TO FOREIGN NATIONS, BUT OUR OWN PEOPLE ARE HOMELESS AND STARVING!
GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO DIE!
AMERICANS FIRST, GOVERNMENT LAST!
Claude Stanley is a great man, and it is evident in his kids and love for his wife Truly inspirational, beautiful family. He and his wife keep moving-on despite the hardships caused our politicians ruining this country. However, I believe Claude and his wife will one day hear, "well done good and faithful servant", which is all that matters. Praise Jesus.
Notice one family kept and keeps themselves with lord the other family did not ,their faith in God and each makes them a successful family ❤😊🎉
This is why people are waiting to have kids. Life has been hard for most people that don't have parents with money.
Which is also why they’re bringing in immigrants - because the system cannot sustain itself without having babies and people in the workforce
What the corporations are doing is a trying to get people to work for nothing immigrants are the only ones who want to go for that and they buffer the population that would otherwise be in decline like Germany or like Japan
11:48 as a man who’s been there… I shed a tear with Tony.
I loved the positive spirit of these families. These people are what makes America great, but also brings me sorrow to see how our country has been gutted from the inside in so many regions.
America has changed for the worse
$18 an hour in 1992 Milwaukee!?!?!? I can't get $18 an hour in 2021 Miami Florida as a plumber helper!!!!
It's crazy.
One of the best documenteries about middle class in America…
These families are my parent's age. They owned a small house in LI, NY. My dad still has it with a new wife...but it's in a pretty bad neighborhood. Thankfully, he's had the same job as an audio/visual engineer my whole life. He never went to college, just trade school. My mother, and my step-father - since I was 16 - own theirs, but after a reverse mortgage and bankruptcy, it's falling apart and they don't have the money for repairs. My sister - finally in college - lives downstairs with her troubled son. Thankfully, my mother never needed to work, but my step-father retired too early after an injury working on the railroad, and briefly went back as an overnight security guard. He is retired and 75 now. I'm glad they spoke a little about credit card debt, these lenders PAY colleges to let them advertise to jobless 18-year-olds on campus giving out free frisbees and umbrellas. It should be illegal. I went to college, but it wasn't a straight line, finally using my degree, I recently became a teacher. I am also divorced, no kids. Everyone else I know had them too young. Watching this, although my family isn't rich by any means, they are all lucky. I just know, I can't afford to live in LI, NY to be near them. The rent and taxes there are unbelievable.
I love this story ❤️ I have 2 jobs and a single mom. I wish the best for those families.
Makes me sad when you see wealthier folks use the tired trope that the reason these people are poor is because they're all supposedly lazy.
Completely agree but not every mfer needs to be having kids, never mind 3 of them when you have no business doing such a thing. Just because you CAN do it does not mean that you should. Sorry but if you have 3 kids, are not living with them, are on unemployment, have zero going on to improve your situation you are your own worst enemy. These are the kinds of people that will make it easy to point to the poor and say things like that but that doesn't mean that everyone should be treated that way either.
Having children is a biological imperative. It supersedes the fleeting economic circumstances. Children are born during wars. If you want to stop children, most women women would be able to. I doubt most men would be able to stop unless resorting to homosexuality or masturbation.
@@ethanswimmer1287 Not everyone is poor due to bad decisions like that. Income absolutely DOES matter. So is what you do with that income.
@@ethanswimmer1287 It's fascinating to see how people like you perceive these situations. You are fully indoctrinated to the point you are wholly unaware of it. You are the prototype they've succeeded in creating. It's brilliant actually. It's not what you know, but who you know in this world....please believe it.
Most people (like this) are fully indoctrinated. Tax slaves. One way of thinking. Working for their money as opposed to having their money working for them. The "American Dream" was sold to everyone...and MOST bought it....hook line & sinker. It's all a racket.
Many don't read the books they SHOULD read, they are sticking to the "programming". If they're lucky...they may be able to pay their way into a $40K a year job after college...BEFORE taxes and student loan debt. Then they can create future tax slaves.
Most wealthy people support the status quo, even the welfare state.
I wish they would continue this and do a 2021 update.
Ik
@otha cindy As most of us are ..add to that Covid or 6ft under
I'd love to see an update too, but only with good news! I don't think my heart can handle it if things don't get better for them!
@@lovecindy2661 It is what it is !
1:20:00 There will never be a 2013 -2016 update. The years following this continued to be challenging for non-skilled labor. Many duped into debt got worthless diplomas and realize now they are simply non-skilled but in debt too. Simple. Do a job that others won't do or, if you have talent, a job most others can't do. Nobody "gives you a job". You make what you are worth that is that. Just do it.
Well done Frontline. I'd almost forgotten how good real journalism could be. Wonderful families with challenging but real-world lives. Inspirational.
The fact that wages are the same after 20 years is maddening
The starving wages of the 90s
They aren't the same.
The minimum wage in the '90s was like $3.50 or something, and those industrial jobs they're referring to now pay $30-40 an hour if not more for the people lucky enough to have them.
"Fake it till you make it" There is nothing fake about that woman. Shes the real deal!
Indeed 🥺 Pray their fate changed for so much better.
amen!!
Love that woman, so inspiring, so beautiful
She is so beautiful - inside and out. I thought all the adults in the story were such good people. Even the dad who left the family I can see the pain he went through and the love they did share ... this is heartbreaking!
Nothing stronger than a made up mind
we got money for war, but can't feed the poor
General and President Eisenhower warned of the military/industrial complex becoming too powerful .And so it has .
Say tupac with that.
Don't forget... we have money to send to foreign countries and give to illegals that break into our country via the border... but we can't feed the poor or provide homes for our homeless... including vets. Pathetic USA.
@Samantha the US is not built on the Robin Hood system
It's called enlisting.
Poor Terry paid for that house many times over in that 24 years and then to lose it must have been heart breaking for her.
Who else loves these timeless documentaries, years in the making.
Couldn't believe my eyes it says posted 2 days ago but it was about the 80's the 90's and the 00's. Just amazing!
I certainly appreciate these in many ways for numerous reasons.
What is there to love? That was the most miserable documentary I've seen in my life.
@@timmcgrath1117 It's about real life in America, unfortunately, not Hollywood scripted.
The documentary is not the issue but the reality of it. There is not Happy End because there isn't. Don't kill the messenger
@@timmcgrath1117 well yeah b/c the soundtrack suc’t 4 starters to begin with.
& least they didn’t let Dianne Sawyer narrate, interview & direct the cinematography during any of the production as far as I know
Stay well, do good work rocking on and don’t eat dolphins 🖖😷👍
I really respect that black family's hustle and their determination to stay together. Those are really invaluable qualities.
Right 🥺
Likewise the White family
It’s because they had a strong father and mother and foundation. They never gave up on their family no matter what.
Black families are some of the strongest.. SO LONG AS THEY STAY TOGETHER... But isnt that the key to all of this no matter the color? White families arent nearly as strong but have a slightly better stay whole rate overall.
@@yourhucklebearer9451 I wouldn't go that far. This PARTICULAR family, who happens to be black, is very commendable. I only called them black to distinguish from the other family which fell apart.
i have big respect for these 2 families who tried their best. any man or woman who gets out of bed to work no matter how shit the job is is a hero.
Beautiful ❤
And it's a joke how the 1% say you have to put money aside for retirement.. How ?? Every penny they madé went towards just trying to survive.
401k’s were originally made to help people save to have extra when retired instead corporations saw a way to keep money and make pensions turn over into 401k’s this was never the intent of it. So now we have millions who will have no pensions and very little savings.
We have a thing in my country where they take a percentage out of you pay and your employer put some in too, it's not compulsory but you can't claim it til you 65 or apply to get it out for your first home, the trouble is I know people who could use it now after the past year everyone's had I'm one of them I wish I never contributed, you don't know whether you'll live to 65, I hope so but you never know
Yes. So true. When I started my job in 1992 I could not put 1% in my 401k for nothing. Needed every penny to live. Now at same job I have been trying to catch up with 15 years away from retirement. 4% in my 401k and 2% in a Roth. I can do this now because my kids are grown and do for themselves. It's still tough. About the only thing that will save me if I work to 65 is my pension. Oh and I have lived in Milwaukee all my life.
There is a book by a guy called Harvey Wasserman ( Harvey Wasserman's History of the united states). He talks about how and who shaped the 40 hour work week and why. We are just about all of us pawns for a few people who really run the country; and the politicians are mostly puppets.
And then your still I'm debt
This is exactly what I love about Frontline...This is 30 years in the making. Wow
Same
Much Respect for the time and dedication to the years following up with these hardworking families. May God Bless everyone.
Depressing, the USA is literally a third world country with a Gucci belt.
A Gucci belt? Only because some shit-kicker picked up some hog shit and wrote Gucci on his belt with his finger.
Yeah...a "Gucci" belt...spelled Guccie & came from China...free shipping, of course.
As phuck
Bonkers. You truly don't know what dirt poor in a third world is. Research poverty in mexico or africa
While this is horrible, this poverty isn’t as bad as real third world poverty were ppl only get payed $1 or a few cents. The USA is far from third world watch documentaries on real third world countries and then come back bc promise its much much worse.
Mrs Stanley, you are far from a failure. You raised a family and the children you raised have integrity and good character. You and your husband are exceptional and a blessing to this world. This has been my goal as a parent, although money is a necessity; your legacy is a good structure in your family tree. Great job Mr. and Mrs. Stanley.
@@snowwhite7704 Mrs Stanley stated specifically that she felt like a failure. No reason other than that.
Well said 🧡 forever golden
Amen & Amen.
Dear sweet brother & sister Stanley,
The inheritance you leave to your children & your generations to follow, is far above the worth of rubies & gold! I understand you feeling like failure, me too; but hold fast to the knowledge that you have given the greatest gift to your hires: a living faith in Christ Jesus! Bless you over & over again. With love,
Your sister in Christ.
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@@simonsays6739 " Mrs Stanley stated specifically that she felt like a failure. No reason other than that." @ 1:00:21 Hmmm!
"The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it." George Carlin, so true.
Love George Carling ain't that the truth
Not if you get an education. My whole family came from poverty, we all work in fulltime jobs with benefits. You just need to pick the right fields: healthcare, technology, energy, science. The worse fields to be in rn are customer service, food industry, and factory jobs.
Now today looking at the world how it is you find out that they sold us the delusion of the American dream
The children became door stop kids they forced both parents to work then the kids pay the ultimate price having no parental supervision
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Yes and in the 80's immigrants come in like a lion America is really good at taking care of immigrants, no taxes for 7 years loans and grants for businesses no credit checks.
Both of these woman -- these FAMILIES -- are the furthest thing from "failures"!! They have been knocked down, again and again, yet they've risen to meet each challenge in their own ways. I hope they all know they are the epitome of who and what we value as human beings. Decent, kind, hard-working - and they have every right to hold their heads up high.💜
Absolutely ❤
Two incredible mothers. The fathers and children also endured. I pray struggle and poverty do not make us self centered
The scene where they showed the family eating together and then cut to the mom eating by herself is just heartbreaking.
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SShelters are full, no more entries, 2023, November. Prayers but true. I wanted them to get back together.
Yes very Sad
Yep. And look how society scorns women who are single and child free by choice, saying they'll "die alone." Welp, there goes that theory out of the window.
@@unabashed Wtf? She has children. Totally unrelated.
Damn... That black family knows how to hustle! Super props on how to never make excuses!
@Nym Grace Making one mistake when you're young that turns out to be a big mistake should not be a lifetime sentence to poverty.
That's because they are partners. The white family all were living in the same house but living different lives. No teamwork.
I agree and their kids are pretty awesome!
Right 💗💞
Yes! Absolutely inspired me!
Can we please give some respect for Keith! First son from the family to graduate high school and college. Gov job with good pay and benefits and a property investment and a side hustle! Taking care of his nephew. What an amazing and humble person!
Can't agree more
Absolutely!!
Whats crazy is that those times in industrial areas didnt need to have high schoolnor college degrees to make a lot. Times have changed, but he withstood and came out with a great character because of a great parental foundation.
And he might still be single girls! Lol... 😀😀
And made the conscious decision not to go around fathering kids!
Back in the 70s and 80s you could be a shoe salesman and be middle class and retire with a pension. Never again...
"Never again. . ." And why is that? Why are ppl accepting this like sheep to the slaughter? Why aren't ppl coming together to end this reign of terror?
@@Brembelia what would you have people do?
thats whut happens when you move all jobs to china
MARRIED WITH CHILDREN LOL
@@prancer1803 A good start would be for people to pay closer attention to what's going on in their legislature (local is just as or even more important than watching the fed). Also would be good for the average person to become comfortable researching, rather than relying on the opinion of an influencer (political or social), and improve their critical reasoning skills, so they're not deceived into shooting themselves in the foot (like americans were deceived into thinking trickle down works; that labor unions are always bad; that companies are effective self regulators; etc, etc).
Do you know how much $$ it costs to waterproof your basement, & yet your workers are making less than $7 an hour, that's just plain old greed, that company should be ashamed of itself!!
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I admire the Stanley family and their refusal to give up. It broke my heart when the mom said she feels like a failure cause that woman is far from a failure no matter what they've been through they keep trying.
It’s money out there just look on the ground
@@juliusreed5273 🤣does it grow on trees as well?
I have so much respect for the Stanley family. They did the very best they could for their kids while keeping their heads above water. I too, was disheartened for the mom. I saw her as a strong woman who really thought creatively outside the box. I think the Stanley parents did a phenomenal job for their kids.
Amen that's what I said to... I love them and they are what families really look like 💖
Exactly this
2 parents working full-time shouldn't be in poverty
Agreed what a shame! SAD! In the 70's and earlier. THE FATHER WORKED HIS UNION JOB WOITH GOOD PAY, GOOD BENEFITS. MOM WOULD STAY AT HOME WATCH THE KIDS. NOT ANY MORE! AMERICA THE BEST COUNTRY? IF YOUR SCAMMING PEOPLE AND ARE RICH! Great comment 👍🏻by the way!
Tell Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema that!
while I understand the way you comment, its the jobs that determine how much you make
@@LEuler-wl1jp You mean your skill? They have no skills in demand. Like Computer Engineers today are on high demand. So high that they’re paying too much money for them. $130K plus a year! Because the demand is high, but little supply.
NOBODY should be in poverty
The middle class is a distant memory, while the rich get richer. This is an unsustainable social construct. Give people who want to work a job they can be proud of, and give them a living wage to do it.
Well people say capitalism is better than socialism & all it ever does is expands the gap between rich and poor the richer get richer the poor gets poorer
@@robertross4699 factory workers used to be ‘middle class’ because of unions up until the 70s. Now... factory work without substantial education is probably little more than minimum wage. Why? Because automation has replaced routine, repetitive tasks that don’t necessarily require a lot of training.
Now it takes way more education to get a well paying job... while companies automate or go overseas to manage labor costs. On a small scale, this causes unemployment for less educated adults. On a larger scale tho, it leads to lower prices for consumers and allows consumers to purchase more.
Well said. VERY TRUE! SAD!
@@robertross4699 NO FACTORY WORKERS WERE MIDDLE MIDDLE ? WHEN THEY WHERE PAID CORRECTLY!
@@robertross4699 nurse is upper middle class? Your comments are STRANGE!
I met Mrs. Stanley today randomly at a store and we chatted away about real estate and other things for a good 10 minutes. At the end she mentioned this documentary, but didn’t go into detail. I had tears in my eyes during this whole thing. Such a strong family! Her and her husband are to truly be admired!
I was so disappointed to see that Tony did decide to divorce Terry in the end. Leaving your wife and kids won’t get rid of the financial burdens. Now they’re both struggling separately but even worse.
I think Terry had some issues that ripped them apart. I am taking liberties but as i watch the family dynamic I could fell subversion. She spoke of it when she talked about the power at the job and the way she was turning heads...words that only narcissists openly voice on camera.
The guy seemed like he always wanted a quiet basic lifestyle. That probably caused friction when he wasn't able to live that out with his wife...ex-wife.
I know you didnt want to have this conversation though...I gotta stay out of the comments section😒
@@chrismo5212 I think Tony just wanted to be able to provide for his family, and felt like he failed. And as times got tough, and they worked conflicting shifts and barely spent time together, things went downhill.
Initially it seemed like Terry wanted to be a stay at home mom, but it's fine for her to feel empowered at being able to help provide for the family - and I don't even think she felt empowered, more just trying to make something positive out of a bad overall situation.
@@lindseyy320 In the beginning i was on the same thought until I noticed how she reacted to the question and how Tony was not on the same page. It's an introvert thing...if you're one you know what it means. There was a tension placed there by the economic issues of course, but those issues went from crevasses to craters when the emotional detachment is already mid-swing.
She is empowered and becoming independent...he is just trying to get the solid ground he once stood on. Two people together not sharing in the same emotions with little impressionable ones watching...I will tell you what I have noticed most women do in that situation - build a social circle that is supportive for their current climate.
That's not a condemnation of Terry it's just how women are more socially wired as opposed to men...especially introverted men. Now all men are narcissistic at some point and alot of us get over that. Maybe he didnt, but his temperament in this difficulty given the typical way women react socially...well one wont have to wait long for it to end.
Was Tony ill-prepared? Hell, who wasn't! did Terry's new found success lead to subversive narcissism? Seems that way...based off his timid temperament and her strong will (due to self actualization and that's not bad) would probably prompt one to look down on the other. I dont know which, but I can recognize it.
@@chrismo5212 Appreciate your opinion, but as a woman who works, I find this borderline sexist. I might be misunderstanding, but she can't be empowered and independent without be a narcissist or having "issues"? Obviously we don't know what was going on in their marriage, but I think that's jumping to conclusions a bit. I do think it's reasonable to think he could have felt insecure being unable to be the financial provider for the family, or that once she started working, that led to lifestyle differences or personality changes and they no longer clicked as much.
@@lindseyy320 my intent was and still is to talk about the personality differences as they relate to change. Hence why I say he was ill-prepared, introverted, and other things that were straining the relationship.
Jobs do effect personalities and the film was trying to illustrate that point. Her success made it hard for her to empathize with him and he probably saw it as pity sometimes.
Okay you see me as a sexist that is an accusation because you never asked me if this could happen between friends of the same sex or homosexual relationships. To have a good discussion (i thought that's what you wanted) one must ask so that you can find if I am just woman bashing or if I think it's a personality issue.
Women are socially adept!!! Waaaayy more than introverted men!!! This is observable from children to adults.
One of the things men do is try our best to make women feel good...or at least not bad. Think on all the times you bf or hubby or sons did something you thought stupid to make you feel better. We knew it was stupid but we go to the lowest depths to drag you out of the funk...you're women! Now that you have that image of how far we will go place it next to the spectrum of how much we would lie to make you women feel better. Its immense!!! Now if you should find a man who is willing to pay the price for truth, or one who will lie endlessly...well I hope you crave his honesty enough to ask all the questions to get a full perspective from the man so we dont continue to cancel human beings into a deeper social isolation. It causes lots of young people on both sides to have social, personal, and psychological issues.
Wow the bank is so heartless. They took her home and sell it for 38,000 dollars. Why the bank could have lower her payment so she can keep her house.
Her payment track record was probably so bad they just wanted it off their books to reinvest that capital. Also, its wasn’t “her” house”.
Because the government bailed out the banks not the people
Agree the banks and rich ppl. Want too own all the homes and have you pay them rent FOREVER! EXTREMELY SADDENING!!
Thats 38000 compared to 1000... The bank chose someone else who payed many times more than what the family even needed to pay it off in the first place.. The bank is greedy and careless as long as they make money. They think of everyone else as an item and not a living being with a real life.. Its very depressing.. And embarrassing....
@@gaurd3 What a heartless comment? Leme guess you work for a bank? What do u mean " not her house" ? She paid electric bill, gas bill, insurance bill, property taxes, and mortgage when she could? Who's house was it? They should have paid all the bills and property taxes? I can't believe someone would leave a comment like this? People are struggling and it's the politicians, lobbyists, big companies wanting more work done for less pay, less benefits, busting unions! The banks screwed up big time in 2008, and they where bailed out by tax money! HORRIBLE COMMENT! YOU MUST BE DOING REALY GOOD! IMAGINR LOOSING YOUR JOB TOMMARO? AND HAVE TOO GET A JOB PAYING A 1/4 OF WHAT YOU MADE AT LAST JOB. THAN YOU WOULDN'T LEAVE COMMENTS LIKE THAT!
I felt bad for the lady who thought she was a failure, society in general places too much importance on status and the material trappings of success.
She's a success, she and her husband and the family had a great attitude and work ethic and they stayed together. I would rather have that than live in a mansion alone.
@Veronica C I like the photo of your cat. I had a brown cat like that. He passed away.
@@russelladams7134 I'm sorry for your loss, they're very loving kitties.
@@V.E.R.O. Thank you. I had the cat for like five years. I adopted him in 2013 when I was working at this apartment complex. I took him home with me. It was like in the summer. I eventually took him to the veterinarian and the doctor diagnosed the cat with Feline H.I.V. He hadn't been neutered. He left the house one day and never came back. He left the house many times and would come back like in 12 hours but this time he never came back home.
@@russelladams7134 Oh no! I got Rusty in the Summer of 2013 too, he was a kitten that had been abandoned under a tree inside a taped box with holes. My friend who's a veterinary tech found him and gave him to me, she knew I always wanted a ginger kitty. I found a place that did neutering for free and got him microchipped. I live in an apt so I used to let him out at night to go in the yard for a bit but stopped once I saw a family of raccoons nearby and even and coyotes started to come down from the hills to roam the streets at night.
He's now almost 8 and pretty big, approximately 20 pounds. The raccoons and stray cats sometimes come to visit him and stand outside the window looking up lol.
Back to original comment (no offense): it's particularly sad that she blames herself for not doing enough to get to success, when she seemed to be _incredibly_ hard working, and willing to sacrifice so much. Upward mobility in American society is way too hard, and it's crushing a lot of potential, like hers. Imagine what she and people like her could contribute and amount to if the structures for upward mobility were actually sensible.
$9hr in the 80’s and those jobs still paying $9hr, why Americans worship the rich corporations I’ll never understand it
Stockholm Syndrome is prevalent here in the USA. A lot of people have unfortunately become convinced that anything remotely resembling certain worker's rights and social benefits which have succeeded in other countries is akin to Maoist Communism.
@@luvahadowsdolls exactly!
@@luvahadowsdolls So true . The decline of the union movement in the US saw the decline in saltines and conditions . All the while Corporate America got richer abs richer .
@Nenethegreat W I don't work. I also don't receive any benefits either. It's a pride issue. I work part time. I could get food stamps and crap, but i choose not to. Stop making the poor feel worse for needing help.
@@roxannemoser That might not have been posters intent .
My heart really broke concerning these two families. It should be illegal for banks to foreclose a home on a family that has paid for 24 years. Greed, pure GREED. That's the problem.
The bank can ask Terry to pay $120k if she wants to keep the home but are willing to throw her out and sell the same house for $30k. Doesn't make sense.
Nothings changed and it’s 2021. Corrupt politicians are paid off to keep this failing system going.
Terrible.
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Their friends or family buys them!
They paid over $200,000 into that house over 24 years and it is not enough to have it paid off. Our society has allowed banks and corporations to profit enormously on the backs of the working poor.
Workers have become disposable. A company used to feel an obligation to see to your health and pension. Now they wear you out and move on to the next worker.
@Anne Ritchie it is not expensive - didn't you hear her say that she pays $0.99 for her earrings?
This is heartbreaking, to watch good people and their families struggle.
This IS REAL ACROSS AMERICA😪when I. heard her say she sent A $1000 OO (GOOD- FAITH) PAYMENT & THEY RETURNED IT... Trust and BELIEVE THAT THIS IS TRUE IT HAPPENED TO ME. NOT ONLY THAT I SENT 3 GOOD-FAITH PAYMENTS TOTALING ~$850.00 each with LATE FEES ~$12.00 each. ONE PAYMENT WAS LATE FOR OVER 30 DAYS THE OTHER TWO WERE 1 FOR A CURRENT &. AN ADDITIONAL- - - IN ADVANCE. You won't ever NEVER guess NOR BELIEVE what the finance company!did: 1)took ALL PAY MENTS; 2) waited ~15 days then 3) REPORTED VIA ALL CREDIT BUREAUS I WAS MORE THAN 90 DAYS LATE... then 4) REPOSSESSED THE VEHICLE & NOT EVEN REPORTING THE!R ILLEGAL REPO TO MY LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT!!! IDK my (so-called) car was REPO'D & EMBARRASSED HUMILIATED BEFORE MY NEIGHBORS AFTER! TELLING THEM MY!THOUGHTS IT WAS STOLEN/TO LEARN...IT WAS "REPO'D" Despite my CA Customer Service Ins Commission& BBB Complaints to this day this erroneously & illegally remains on all my credit reports/for the next 7 yearsThis IS REAL ACROSS AMERICA😪when I. heard her say she sent A $1000 OO (GOOD- FAITH) PAYMENT & THEY RETURNED IT... Trust and BELIEVE THAT THIS IS TRUE IT HAPPENED TO ME. NOT ONLY THAT I SENT 3 GOOD-FAITH PAYMENTS TOTALING ~$850.00 each with LATE FEES ~$12.00 each. ONE PAYMENT WAS LATE FOR OVER 30 DAYS THE OTHER TWO WERE 1 FOR A CURRENT &. AN ADDITIONAL- - - IN ADVANCE. You won't ever NEVER guess NOR BELIEVE what the finance company!did: 1)took ALL PAY MENTS; 2) waited ~15 days then 3) REPORTED VIA ALL CREDIT BUREAUS I WAS MORE THAN 90 DAYS LATE... then 4) REPOSSESSED THE VEHICLE & NOT EVEN REPORTING THE!R ILLEGAL REPO TO MY LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT!!! IDK my (so-called) car was REPO'D & EMBARRASSED HUMILIATED BEFORE MY NEIGHBORS AFTER! TELLING THEM MY!THOUGHTS IT WAS STOLEN/TO LEARN...IT WAS "REPO'D" Despite my CA Customer Service Ins Commission& BBB Complaints to this day this erroneously & illegally remains on all my credit reports/for the next 7 years
I am totally agree, our government needs to start helping our people more, instead of helping other countries. We suppose to be there riches country; however there are so many hard working families who are just verily making it.
It's happening all over. To many great people.
@@reginabelieva588 that's terrible. Even 1K was a fair bit back then. Damn banks are not willing to compromise.
@@jaggirl IKR!
One of the best documentaries I’ve ever seen.
Go through PBS' RUclips channel.... believe me, they have even better documentaries on low income families
Which, in and of itself is a depressing sentence to write out
Have you seen “Fourteen Days in May”? I blew my mind! Amazing film that if you haven’t seen it, you need to! Have tissues near by.
@@rm4861 Different topic but equally important. Incredibly sad. Makes my stomach churn
It’s authentic!
What (century of the self) bbc , if you dare to wake up .
Oof, that scene of that family eating together, and then the mom eating alone... American greed has destroyed so much of our families and our social fabric.
That was hard to watch!! Full house to an empty life just like that!!
That’s what the American glitter is all about, it’s financed with the sweat of the poor masses.
"greed" they are the greedy ones, they thought they could buy houses they couldn't afford...
The Feminist Movement is a huge player in destroying the Marriage Unit.
@@karinteeples6517 Yep. Specifically some of second and 3rd/4th wave feminism. Obviously women should have equal rights(1st and part of second wave feminism).
Imagine, paying for your house for years, with all the penalty payments she probably overpaid for her home many times over, but still lost the house in the end.
Yes. That's greed right there. There should be a maximum payment limit on mortgages.
Then the bank sold it for 35k. A total slap in the face.
Yes that is exactly how it works, it is unfair and those collection clerks working for the banks also only receive an average pay. It's only the executives making bank and they do not have to do the dirty work harassing people to pay and taking their homes away. I always find that so ironic.
@@bd3825 because they have already made their money over and over again, that is why they can sell it under its value.
Yes it shouldn't be that way. There is something very wrong with that picture. The corporate greed in America is killing the people in many ways
The African American family is so inspiring. The mother is so smart, hardworking and charismatic. She is amazing! I cannot believe she said she was a failure! She think she’s an inspiration!
Her preaching husband stayed in LOVE with JESUS! 🙏🙌
Not only that, they don't play the victim card, they are hard working, faith and family unit. The destruction of the nuclear family is one of the greatest enemies of America, and especially African Americans.
ALWAYS DIE TRYING ALWAYS.
Yes compare them to the white family. I felt the white woman's pain from betrayal by her husband wanting to bail. Blk ppl are unaware tht the white culture doesn't have tht unity. You should be proud. I didn't have tht closeness in my family and I want tht more than anything.
@@hellooutthere8956 you are correct. I think in these times all families are affected by the present conditions, but during that time (and before) there was a lot more stability.
Frontline documentaries just hit harder when you see them a decade after they aired. So much insight, so many warnings. I'd love to know what these families are doing today.
This!!!
Yes. Frontline PBS is legitimate Top Shelf journalism ❤. I love Frontline and everyone involved with it. The staff, camera operations and so forth. Thank you Frontline ❤
This 💯
Going by the sequence of the documentary, the obvious answer is they're doing worse now. All they did for two decades was deteriorate as individuals in their families. There's no reason to believe that changed since this stopped recording
They released an update just days ago.
I wish there was a way to make a donation to the families who told their stories. We pay over $10 to see fictional movies, I feel we could make a contribution in some way for these very deeply touching stories.
set up fund me evem u can on fb
What a beautiful idea.
Thsi is from 2013
Don't know about their current situation
My contribution to these families and their children is to continue to support folks like Bernie Sanders, and the Justice Democrats. Anyone working for minimum wage, should not have to live in poverty. Twenty years later, these kids are making $2 more than their fathers had made at their lowest paying jobs? Like all other developed nations, America should pay for our health coverage. Look at the debt the one family incurred when the father was sick and hospitalized for a short time. One ticket out, is college. That one son had to go to college via credit card. My husband and I went to college and beyond. The debt and loan payments were exorbitant. 30 years ago, our combined loan payments were equal to our current tri-state typical mortgage. We had decent jobs, but were unable to seriously participate in the economy and buy a home until we were age 40 plus. In order to go to college, my son had to have a parent co-sing for his student loans. Now my husband , if he wants to maintain great credit, helps my son, by again paying bone-crushing student loan payments. There should be student loan forgiveness. This country was, and is still, set up so that those with money and power can keep that money and power. The Southern strategy to get poor white folks to vote against their own interest, keeps those in power who refuse to increase the minimum wage, refuse to provide healthcare to all (even though our tax dollars pay for their salary and for their healthcare), refuse to provide regular stimulus checks for those in need during a pandemic (Canada and other countries provided their citizens with $2k every month). Yet, poor folk continue to vote for people who despise and use them. Some congress people act like paying for college is some crazy green new deal nonsense, but in this documentary, those who went to college, even community college, were able to do a better than those who did not. Wake up America. If you want to live the American dream, stop voting for people who are living the American dream, and working every single day in Congress etc to make sure that you and all your children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren will never even fathom living that dream. All poor folk and middle class folk need to vote in the interest of their kids and grandkids. My heart broke watching this documentary. (Climbing down off my soap box, while these "old" bones can still climb).
That's a great idea James!!
This was just a travesty that should have been able to end better, but the truth is that these stories are relatable to a lot of people in 2021. Most people are raised to believe if you work hard then it will pay off but that’s not necessarily the case anymore. The one thing that was consistent with both families was that they never gave up, they gave it their all and continuously did what they needed to do to make a way for their families. There is nothing more respectable and admirable than that. I hope there are blessings coming to them in the near future.
Ok ok I have to say I hear this a lot "i used to think that if you work hard it'll pay off but I don't believe it anymore" - this is not the mentality you want to have no matter who you are or what it is you're doing with your life. It absolutely will fall apart on a person if they start thinking this way.
@@timmcgrath1117 I understand what you are saying, but I never said I didn't believe it anymore because that is my mentality because of how I was raised. What I said was that's not necessarily the case anymore as evidenced by what happened to these families and some other families out there no matter how hard they tried. It doesn't mean quit or give up, but this is a new norm for some....
I hope success for them to but I already know that wishing them anything more than some kind of security & food source is a pipe dream with the upcoming collapse of the US economy.There are already signs of low confidence in the stock market so when that crashes the rest will follow so after that the global food supply will be disrupted before long which will probably result in inflated food prices.If most people that are just following the deception being preached by main media don't have some kind of forward-thinking & have some kind of food stock available they will suffer the consequences, so to say " blessings coming to them in the near future" is almost sounding like you were being sarcastic, but I guess you are just being optimistic.The leaders will be taking down all the huge religious institutions & draining all their finances before to long.Lots of crazy stuff is going down over the next couple of years, mark my words it's going to be a wild ride.
God is owned by the oligarchy! 😥😥😥
@@jamesync yes I was being optimistic because without that we are all lost
I would love to see a follow-up on "Where Are They Now." Twenty-Two years in the making (1991-2013). A The Neumann family (Caucasian) and the Stanley's an (African- American) family.
It's only been a week
@@nachospopthe3rd564 But the docu is far older than that. There's a possibility of follow up footage.
I bought their foreclosed house and am flipping it...that's what they get for getting brainwashed by the MEDIA and voting for biden
@@markhammond7900 Mark you don't own shit! Even "if" and that's a BIG "IF" you're currently paying for any home. You have nothing paid off!!
The folks who watched this document will know who's the Neumann and the Stanley family. Caucasian and African- American family is uncalled for.
I am SHOOK at how well the little Stanley boy legit understood politics!!!! 😱 Fist bumps to the Stanley’s🙌
Minimum wage when this documentary was made in 1991 - $6
Fast forward minimum wage to 2021 - $7.25
WTF?
GOP run states greedy republican paid by lobbyist to keep wages low. Stop voting for Republicans and greedy Manchins and Sinema.
In California it's 15 . Depends on states
Some states it's $4 or $5. Restaurants were allowed to charge as little as $2 and included tips as the wages. These tips are not mandatory or they'll be taxed to the business. No wonder no one wants to go back to working for crumbs.
Productivity increase for unskilled jobs since 1991 = 0% ...growth in wage= 0%....kids. Wages dont grow like trees. They grow if productivity grows...OR if demand grows.
@@freedomordeath89 those stats are bullshit
We need a 2021 update. What an amazing story
Mr. and Mrs. Stanley are far from failures. Their authentic story of faith, family, and love is very inspiring, especially when contrasted with the out-of-control world we find ourselves in today. What a blessing to have stumbled across the documentary on RUclips! It will no doubt continue to inspire for years to come. The way they raised their children is worth more than any amount of money they could ever leave them. May God continue to watch over and bless this faithful and loving family!
Yeah dey government baby's
I agree the Stanley’s made it work. Especially with such a large family
@@jamesstone9213 HAH holy shit
I agree. They are wonderful parents and a huge success.
Reliving my life, divorced with 4 children. $80 a week child support & working 2 jobs in the late 80's into the 90's. Tears 😢
My mom had to do that with 2 kids in the 70’s & 80’s. Father is a millionaire. To busy blowing money & traveling . $300 a month is all he paid, and when he was traveling we had to go without. I had a job at 15 to help out. And I gladly did.
@@aja8521 how come your father only paid 300 a month did he at least buy y'all a house
Sounds like my story. Was hard but myself and my 3 children made it. No welfare, no outside help except from caring neighbors who gave from their hearts. I still thank them 30+ years later.
@@nolabrown3034 Stay Blessed
Been there did that, most of those years no child support. When I look back don't have any idea how we survived except for the grace of God! I say that in all sincerity!
The Stanleys at least had themselves to lean on and they were resilient. Terry Neumann made me sad. The scene where she is eating dinner by herself in a friend's house, without her kids, husband, was truly sad. I hope she is doing well today.
Same. I was also very sad when they said her husband had left her & that she continued to fight for their family home alone only to be driven from it anyways😢
I also resented the fact that the new couple living in her former home had gotten it for so little😣 I know it had to feel gut wrenching for Terri to walk the familiar path between those walls, being inundated with echoes of her children & grand children's playing amid the foreign furniture layouts & unfamiliar decor💔😩
I was thinking the same thing. I wish her sons could have pulled in some wages while living with her. Maybe they could have pooled finances enough to save the house and keep it in the family. It's sad to lose you house after so much time.
38,000 for that house... she probably owed double for it. It wasn’t even worth that. Only the bank makes money.
That spaghetti looks good asf though
So you notice?
Was rooting for both families. This messed up world:(
Very bad country rite now. It's not getting any better unfortunately.
@@ZMAN_420
Not just America.....the World.
@@charlotteziggy8353 Agree, but America is the worst from what it was, it is going down hill faster than any other country from where it was near th top. Now in my opinion. I live here, where do u live? I seen multiple comments from ppl saying how they can't believe how heartless and ruthless the U.S. BANKS, COMPANYS POLITICIANS ARE? But I do agree at this moment it's bad in alot of the world + add covid 19. In America my dads dad worked 1 union job, Cement Mason, doing concrete mostly on hi rises but homes, garages,roads, lots of stuff needs concrete. mom stayed at home took care of kids. My mom's dad worked 1 union job Heating and Air Conditioning mom stayed home and took care of 8 kids. They all lived comfortably good pay full benefits. Middle class. Now your rich or poor. Middleclass is gone in the U.S.
@@charlotteziggy8353 And the U.S. started unions. And was booming! Because of GREED! Greedy politicians and companies, they bust unions lower wages take away benefits. Or companies get tax breaks for moving out of the country? That law was made by politicians! Unbelievable! Very sad!
Me too! But we lost our manufacturing base, plus the good paying jobs with benefits, so executives can get 263X the pay of the average worker wherever those workers may be. We need campaign finance reform penned into the Constitution to enable small dollar donors (us) to get elected officials that will work for us and change the equation, enabling worker buyouts of companies and recentering manufacturing jobs that pay good wages back into our cities and towns. Tax the wealthy like FDR did and prime the pump, this time with citizens in charge.
Out of all the kids, Keith is the stable one. By deciding not to have kids and focus on himself and career, he learned life’s lesson better than anyone just by watching his parents struggle. Kudos to everyone in this documentary, hope you are all doing well, staying healthy, happy and safe. Thank you Frontline for another great documentary.
The other son who enlisted in the navy and was working in Afghanistan might be doing well, too. I know people who went that route. Those foreign contracts can pay mega $$$$$.
@@The4prestonyes, he likely made out well financially. I truly wish the best for him, and all of the children. They seem to be such kind people.
Delaying parenthood is one way to avoiding poverty. If you're young without a trade or degree you're decidedly behind the 8 ball. Yes, I know every child is a blessing and the two of you are in love but, one cannot live on love. You can't depend on your family either as though they may love you, they are struggling too.
ex. An acquaintance had just relative, her Mom, in the area when she became homeless .
Mom lived in subsidized housing. The rules stated overnight guest could only stay ONE night.
I can’t believe both of the Neuman boys took the exact same path as their parents, it’s sad how poverty descended down to them but some from their own choice.
@@creoleladeel
“My parents put a lot of time and energy into us. Into making us who we are… there are people who look like me, who live where I live, who are dealing with situations and struggles that I’ve never seen… I’ve never seen the inside of a jail. I can’t tell you what a gun looks like. I don’t know what drugs or even alcohol looks like.
...I have to give all that credit to my dad along with my mom.”
YOU, Mrs. Stanley, are NOT a failure.
You’re an inspiration.
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Agreed. She left her inheritance within her legacy.
Who doesn't feel like a failure in America at least once in their life?😔
People who come here from countries where they're much poorer and cannot find work.
I’m gonna lose my house. Declaring bankruptcy. I’m a Family Nurse Practitioner, disabled, an Army vet, and I’m a failure. Raised a daughter and she knows I’m a failure.
@@jeannevacca1328 That's terrible! You're not a failure. You're a victim of the system like so many these days. The way this country treats our vets is embarrassing. I'm sorry.
@@jeannevacca1328 You are NOT a failure! Your financial circumstances do not define a woman who is strong and disciplined enough to serve our country and study your tail off to become a nurse practitioner-I know people who are brilliant who had a tough time accomplishing that! You are a wonderful woman created in the image of God, and I would bet the farm that people who know you think a lot of you! Don’t be afraid to ask for help and don’t ever forget that the Lord will have your back, and I am going to lift you up to God in my prayers, Jeanne.♥️
@@jeannevacca1328 it does not sound like you’re a failure at all! Things happen sometimes that are out of our control and that doesn’t make anyone a failure. Not everyone had a smooth ride to get where they are going , try to stay positive and on the right path 🙏🙏
This is not even a national issue, I live in Germany, both families could be my neighbours.
Same in Canada really.
I think what this documentary shows is that working hard does not equal prosperity. We are raised to believe we can do better and it may not be true
That’s right , exactly the same here in Australia. Cost of living is so high. You can’t make it unless you have credit cards and loans.
@@Justsayingthat Exactly. In Germany 5% of the people own 92% of the money and I think it's not that different in other countries. Experts been saying it for quite a while, it's not possible anymore to EARN enough to get wealthy.
The same here. I came from Cuba , Castro destroyed everything and still continue to, living I. USA for 34 years, I know the American dream can
Be a reality for few but the possibilities unfortunately depends if the possibilities the government have for each city , towns etc, taking businesses to China was not a good idea for the hard working American people. I did work very hard, never had food stamps or any help, was able to buy me a property for rental and have my own condo and my children graduates from universities I did not have to pay because they have good grades and for scholarship at that time, working with good paid money, but in 2021 I do not feel safe in USA anymore because is becoming g to be like the Cuba i left 34 plus years ago!
This was the best documentary I’ve ever seen. The Stanley’s gave me chills the moment they stepped on the screen. First of all, the whole family is absolutely gorgeous. Like model gorgeous. And their faith, love for one another, and perseverance is admirable. I love how they stayed together. The mother is in no way a failure. She’s an angel. And her husband is one of the strongest men I’ve ever seen. As for the Nuemans, I love them but was sad that the husband let life get the better of him and left his family. The mom was so strong and great and did what she had to do. I pray blessings over them all for the rest of their lives because they deserve it.
Notice how the Caucasian family was also model gorgeous at the beginning also (especially the mom). Sadly it seemed like the struggle of poverty took their toll on them in more ways than one. The Stanleys were able to stay looking gorgeous throughout it all though
I'm sure that was probably intentional on the networks part when searching for families for the documentary because the more attractive they are, the more viewers it draws in.
@@colinvanblaricom6573 that part got me 😢. Terri Newman was gorgeous at the beginning of this documentary. It was so sad to see stress and poverty age her 😢
@lesleywillis3650 - I agree. They are absolutely breathtaking. That scene at 15:07 - With Nicole, the oldest, reflecting about her mom was a beautiful shot. I loved her gorgeous purple lipstick and statement earrings and her gorgeous hair - peak 90’s fashion in every way! I also loved the Stanley’s maturity. The children were so well behaved, polite, and exuded so much self-awareness. You didn’t see the parents arguing with each other - if anything, they leaned on one another for support, guidance, and comfort. They acted in the capacity of a partnership and had a strong foundation through their faith. Such a beautiful family - both literary and figuratively.
@@MsGoodforthesoulI agree, Terri was very beautiful and so was her husband. I knew their marriage would end once he mentioned divorce due to the financial stress and once he started working third shift. He barely saw his kids, he no longer slept with his wife. The family unit collapsed because they had to focus on making another dollar. That really made me sad. We work so hard to raise a family and to provide our kids a good home but many times in doing so we lose all that we are fighting for. How ironic 😢
The Newmans were a sad lot, but I'm not surprised that they ended in divorce. There just didn't seem to be as much love compared to the Stanleys.
Eighteen dollars an hour was good money back then. Today it's almost poverty level. That tells you how much they've devalued our money.
$18 in 1985 would have purchasing power of $43.75 today. They were doing very well, the equivalent of $85k annually today. They were like the lobster being slowly boiled alive, they didn’t realize what was happening to their lifestyle and make the changes fast enough.
Politicians on both sides of the aisle don’t want to pass a $15 minimum wage by 2025. It’s sickening that in 2025 there will still be Americans making under $10 an hour.
Well get used to it. The more money the government gives away, like all these stimulus bills, the higher inflation will be and the less the dollar will be worth. Enjoy those checks while you can.
That's the problem with companies propping up Wall Street instead of their employees. When you're more loyal to your stockholders than your employees wages can never keep pace with inflation.
@@ChristalPhillips I blame Wall Street
this is happening to everyone in america no matter what race you are
TRUE! UNLESS YOU MAKE MILLIONS FROM SCAMMING PPL AND RIPPING PPL OFF. RUINING THE COUNTRY? THE WEALTH GAP IN THE COUNTRY IS OUT OF CONTROL NOW!
@@ZMAN_420 like trump did
@@haansolo7834 YES HE DID! Now his tax returns are being released to prosecutors. 8 years of personal and buisness. So let's see what they find? The Supreme Court turned Trump down at everything he brought to them. And he appointed 3 justices in 4 years! That's a record. He thought he got lucky and would have Supreme Court vote his way, but he was wrong! HAHAHAHA
We let it happen when we fight each other tooth and nail over the opinions of rich people
Yes, though race puts a little more stank on it.
My heart broke when Jackie thought she was a failure and Terri toured her home after it was sold in foreclosure. Working all those years for that house and the bank selling it for under 40k. Wherever they are May they be blessed
With all the interest and late fees, she probably paid for that house a couple times over already so the bank didn't lose any money by selling it for less. They could have worked with her, but they don't care.
She’s an INSPIRATION! She’s a PERSEVEROR! God truly blessed her and her husband!
Getting a tour of your house by the people who bought it from the bank for 40K was devastating.
@@billzander2875agreed. That part gutted me.
Yeah and selling out to foreigners is even worse!@@billzander2875
I miss Bill Moyers' show. He was a class act and had very thoughtful conversations. I'ts nice to see him again here. Great documentary
I echo your sentiments. I believe that because he so obviously a kind man, he could persuade people to be so open about their lives over many years.
He's still around! Great man!
I felt like it was a lot of fluff. He's no doubt a nice guy, I could tell that much, but he's telling the white lady that she's got such spirit and she all but took the air out of the room whenever her pouting mug was put on the TV to complain.
@@timmcgrath1117 I felt really bad for that white lady because she lost her mortgage and then had to live with other people and knows she will probably have to work till the day she dies and if she's lucky she will end up being able to have her own trailer home ... ?
I think she just felt exhausted and beaten down
Very interesting upload- respect! Milwaukee is more segregated than many Deep South communities-cities but this just goes to show that both working class African American and Caucasian American families are getting the short end of the American dream while the rich get richer. We the working class people need to unite and fight for what's right in American instead of being divided and conquered along racial & class lines by the power elite.
Absolutely ❤️ 💯
This is what socialism is about. Write to your local congressman and senator and let them know - the minimum wage has to be $15/hour
@@brontewcat I agree that minimum wage should be raised to $15 an hour......but it's for survival and I wish there was a different word rather than "socialism" . It seems outdated from the depression era. Ask any millennial what they think socialism is......they won't know, but they will agree that minimum wage should be raised and that everyone has the right to healthcare.
That sounds perfect,
100% true. I have lived in Milwaukee all my life. That will be 50 years in September. I have witnessed this decline.
A true visual image of the African American family. We have fathers and mothers that stay together. Our families are not all broken as the news try to portray. We know how to deal with hard times and keep on moving. This has been our entire life here in the United States, from generation to generation.
Truth! The Feminist Movement is a huge player in destroying the Family Unit. Mother’s weren’t honored for staying home and instilling her values into their kids. The Family was a safe place for children. In 2022 it’s a dysfunctional mess… a. Moral failure. Divorce creates Trauma in children. It’s changes who they are and until we face that, we can heal.
This was in the 1980s
This applies to every single race!!!!
@@Lpm100 Corrrection, the 1990's
You are so right we are use to the struggle & know how to make it through while helping others too.
The part towards the end broke my heart where it showed the Nuemanns eating spaghetti together as a family of 5 in the early 90's, then it cut to 20 some years later where the mother was quietly eating spaghetti alone.
Both of these families exemplify everything American people should be. Good, hard-working people who strive to make an honest living. Yet, they are presented with an unending stream of financial hardships through no fault of their own. Everyone, in both families, are much better people than most of us and deserve much more. Our society must reward people like this with more stability and security.
"no fault of their own" taking on a mortage with a family of 3 and only 1 working person...that's their error. Not having planned their financials. Beliving the LIES about the "murican dream". The American dream is not GETTING IN DEBT to get a house you can't afford. The American dream is to raise your own family. I agree that the job situation is F***ed up. But if you KNOW that your job is precarious and doesnt pay well...you DO NOT keep a big house and mortage. You scale down to something you can AFFORD. Instead she spent hundreads of thousands on mortages and debt and interest...that's plain STUPID.
Hope it never happens to you
@@mkb5984 happened already, my parents did the same...we were LUCKy cuz when he lost his job, he had some stocks and it was the Tech bubble, so he did a lot of cash with the stock and he could pay for the house despite being unemployed.
But he was a moron to take a mortage he couldnt sustain.
They do. They reward the rich.
@@freedomordeath89
You're correct. What they should've done was buy a junker passenger van and live there ... Or maybe just live in the street. Others do. They could, too.
You're talking out your butt.
Claud has such an amazing spirit. Smiles straight from his heart even when it's rough. Inspiring. And man you looked nothing like 60. Much younger..
Jackie you should feel proud about all the effort you put in. We are proud of you.
Terrie you are a fighter man.
One thing common with all these people is theh are ready to learn new skills at different stages over the life time. Relentless
Do well. God Bless
I love the mindset of this beautiful African Amercian family. Wow beautiful family with real core values. And Terry, you can see how hard shes tried to keep her family together. Both families are an inspiration.
Just keep on multiplying !!!
Wait, did you think for a moment that the majority of black families have other "core values"? Everyone wants to be happy, raise a family and live the American dream - skin color is only something that leftists love to push. It's the dividing line they use to split the country and pit everyone against one another.
@@patrec7638 it has nothing to do with skin colour I am from South Africa, believeme we fight for equality for all of us, perhaps you have misinterpreted my comment.
neither family are an inspiration...they are both a symbol of how broken our system of governance is in America. if our government really wanted to work well and efficiently they would only tax us on our consumption...not on our income. That way we would truly be free to earn an income and if we want to be consumerist whores than so be it. If we wanted to do the contrary then our lives would be totally different. And yet, our government takes 1/4 of our income and then says..."you will also be taxed on your consumption" and so we have less and less to live our lives. chew on that for a minute or two. it is interesting when you come to realize that we are actually all slaves because someone figured out how to lock up the food early on and ever since we have been introduced to that system of work = survival.
@@Islabyrd Pat completely misunderstood you, I'm from Soweto, much love sister.
Am obsessed with the Stanleys. Wow wow. Amazing amazing people. You are NO failure - look at your marriage that survived hard hard times and look at your beautiful children that you raised. You gave them a loving safe environment to grow up in and that is priceless. No failing there - just pure winning ❤️
I agree
Well done
Absolutely agree she is an inspiration on so many levels. Much love and respect
It's all about expectations. The end of WWII created a unique economic situation that will never, ever happen again, plus Republican and corporate selfishness have been allowed to destroy all the New Deal policies and a century of union progress. The Stanleys are a monumental human success, in this or any age. Life is suffering, eventually if not today, and it can't be avoided; it's how you deal with it, and these folks have dealt with it superbly.
You’re right my mother isn’t a failure she’s amazing thank you
Is there anything that Stanley don't do for work...their survival instinct is no match
Teri also.
when said he was almost 60 and works sanitation i was floored 👌😅
It is obvious that the first couple did not forge a work together and we are in this together attitude. Her husband gave up during the early days of their marriage. His value rested on what he could do and what he could provide instead of what he had with his wife and kids. The love began to leave when he gave up. His wife in turn gave up on him. He gave into his own misery versus looking out for everyone.
The second couple functioned as a unit. They worked together as a family. They forged bonds with one another and most importantly the parents pulled their burden together. This you can see by them working through things as a family. It wasn't just one person who carried the burden but they all did. The mother's love for her husband shone so bright and her admiration for him was so clear. That's what I want. That's what kind of love I believe in.
Your comment describes best the difference between these families. No judgement to Tony Neumann, but he did check out of his marriage and family, just as you say.
I saw that, the way she looked at him with pride. The trust.
If you look into it, there is more to it than he gave up or it isn't a together. One of the biggest things they both complained about is not seeing each other. Basically they had odd hours. And even one part of the interview it showed she had unpredictable hours. Basically, they didn't have a stable life. Now could he done something different? Likely. But ask yourself this, would they have the same arguments about not being able to see each other, money, etc if they were able to pull themselves out of poverty like they expected.
Another thing to note is they didn't show the arguments. We don't know how much she pushed him away or if he pushed himself away. We do know they went to therapy. And not shocking, even statistics shows it doesn't work.
here's a quote attributed to john steinbeck......" “John Steinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” a quote by ronald wright. the people have been had.
Wow
Jackie, if you see this, you are an amazing woman, full of strong faith and not a failure! You are an awesome , positive person and i KNOW that you can do very well in real estate , now with your kids all grown!!