I Feel Sorry For Attack On Titan
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I liked most of the ending to AoT but I definitely saw parts to improve and parts that need to be taken away completely. However, Isayama ended AoT almost two years ago and he's had to endure so much backlash to the point where he's on an apology tour everytime he makes a public appearance. I think the man has endured enough and surely apologized enough. Leave him be. He may never want to write and/or draw a manga ever again after what he's been through and that's sad. At some point in his life being a mangaka was his passion and avenue for a fulfilling life and career. Now that dream could be over.
GOOD If HE DOES NOT THAT IS THE GOAL AT THIS POINT.
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 I give your trolling on this comment section a strong C tier, could use a lot of work
I convinced my literature teachers read it one year ago. Dropped in their lap a box full of all 34 volumes😅. Never taught I’ll spend entire evenings talking with them about a work that is not part of the curriculum. I mostly sat and listened at first, i wanted to hear their perspective before i could even “influence” them with my opinions.
Thought i read it numerous times, I can say i truly experienced attack on titan “twice” because of them. And i loved it so much both times.
@@RiSK907 it’s really awesome! Also my sister has now got to day with the anime, it’s a joy for her too! She decided to stay anime only and read the manga read after the screening is over.
So you were that loser that hung out with the teachers in recess?
@@xyz_xyz575 She‘s so real for wanting to read the manga after that. Even though the manga and anime for aot are very similar and I‘d say the anime is the definitive version of the story, reading both the manga and watching the anime will give you a greater understanding of it.
@@Tmtrnr22 yeah i showed her some panels and double-spreads. And I'll have the the colossal versions of the manga collected until then, that's makes it even better 😁
The fact that Isayama felt like he had to apologize is so fucking heartbreaking. Can you imagine what pressure he must've been under to break down like that?
Why'd he give in to pressure and rush the ending, though?
Don't people have the balls to fight back anymore?
Nah, he's trolling us, he made the last chapters horrible on purpose, in some scenes and dialogs it is just so obvious... If you go really really deep into the plot, character's motives, the movies and games he was based on, and other references, you will see that it all makes sense, and ending in the anime will be different, in order to complete the story. Trust me, I've read many theories, and it is so well-thought that there's no way that it's a coincidence. To really understand most things in aot you must especially pay attention to little detailes of dialogs throughout the whole story and references (even in some character's design, in openings, music videos for them, the lyrics of many soundtracks etc). It's hard to believe, but it was planned long ago.
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Wouldnt put this past any of em.
@@sledziona_1 It's hard to believe because it's not happening. The changes would of had to be well before this point in the anime for things to make sense.
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 i think i would be a lot better if eren never said that ymir had a real love feeling towards the king and that ymir learned something from seeing mikasa.
I love Attack on Titan. It is a masterpiece. I love the journey i had with Aot fans. But Aot fans doesn't deserve Isayama and his hard work.
Every manga artist works hard
We’re allowed to critique it. He really dropped the ball and that’s not our fault. It’s not our fault that we invested so much time and at the end we can’t even recomment it to friends or family after that disaster ending.
@@davidvilla5279 Awful take ngl
@@vould7233 npc
@@Zero-vs2mb Literally anyone who baby rages about a story and ends their rage with "can't even recommend it to anyone now" is a literal npc mate
Aot holds a special place in my heart even with the ending.
The ending holds a special place in hell where it belongs.
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 crazy (not really) how this visceral reaction is exactly what the video was talking about lmao. Smh
Well, sure, but couldn't they have just NOT rushed it??
@@TrianglePants The author A wanted to start a Spa and B wanted to end it on 139 specifically becuase symbolism or some nonsense like that so I'm going say no they couldn't. However that whole last Arc was pretty bad if they changed that the ending would of been a lot better.
Rushed =/= so-terrible-that-we-must-hate-it-AND-hate everyone-who-can-find-its-positives.
S3 p1 (anime) was THE definition of rushed. But everyone's fine with it, while still acknowleging that it had its issues, because it told the story just fine.
The ending told the story just fine. It had its pacing and narrative issues, for sure, but is it so hard to imagine that the anime MIGHT expand on the ending to make it settle a bit better? Even if it doesn't, the worst rating the ending should get is "could've been much better", not "ahh it's disgusting and ruined the whole story ahh." That's just ridiculous.
But! Even if you feel like, FOR YOU, the ending was absolute garbage, do you gotta try to force everyone else to agree with you? Clearly there's a huge chunk of the fanbase that disagrees. Let them enjoy what they think they like about it.
Anyone that thinks the death threats are AT ALL justified have a serious amount of self-reflection they need to do.
And it's ironic for those people that they are doing similar (not even close) things like hatred and death threats for a manga/anime that shows the themes of those two things.
@@imperial_crest6809 It's like "SWATTING" against streamers on Twitch. It's this kind of pettiness that shows itself as living proof that our "newer generations" are indeed not "the future".
Why do people think some random person on the internet sending death threats is a big deal?
I mean... They just bark lmao. They ain't gonna hurt you
I think what people are taking away from this isn't that death threats should be taken seriously, but that people think they're not a big deal to toss around. Even suggesting that Isayama deserved all the hate he got is way too far, in my opinion. I can imagine he lost a lot of sleep as a result of how the fandom treated him for the ending, and whether or not the criticisms being levied are justified absolutely does not excuse the harsh treatment he received. People jumped way past the line of criticism and into the waters of hate speech.
The original reason I posted this comment was because I literally saw someone say that he was kinda asking for the death threats at that point, and I was deeply upset by it. I hope my point is coming across. Idc how baseless and unserious death threats might seem, they can still be extremely hurtful depending on the circumstances.
I find it ironic that a story of war between two races (eldians and marleyans) split the community into half and now they're at war themselves...
the world npc alliance vs the few that arent sheep
@@ulysses5439 bro I am sorry but it’s like today Germany decided it has had enough of still taking responsibility from ww2 and nuke entire world…They suffered massive discrimination in ww1 which was a huge reason why a certain artist became its dictator…AOT reflects dramatically on our world. None is right or wrong but no way in hell killing 99% of humanity because you feel “threatened” is justified.
Always going to love Attack on Titan. It's inspired me as a writer and it's inspired me in my approach to life in general. It's a bloody tragedy that the reaction to the ending was so destructive, regardless of how good people think it was. Isayama should never have had to feel like he needed to apologise, and nobody should be harassed for having and sharing an opinion on a story, or for talking about that story at all.
Anyway. Happy New Year, everybody. Here's to another year of stories, theories, and discussions. Hopefully this one's nicer than the last few have been. Wishing you all the best.
the manga ending was adequate, Eren wanted to protect his friends and he achieved it... he even explained it better in the extra chapters. The story is too complex for people who were in it only for the flashy fights like AoT was some fast and furious. A number of people could not understand it, its the best series I ever watched
@@Random17Game Bull they got carpet bombed bro that ain't protecting nobody.
Isayamas message after he apologized was to always go with what you want even if you fail because then you’ll know you were true to yourself. Personally I think he apologized not fully because of the reaction but because he changed things in his original idea for the story in hopes of pleasing everyone and it didn’t work out. Isayama and his editors have been shown to be on different pages regarding the story Isayama also stated he read a lot of online reviews and theories while writing the last arc. I can’t imagine that kind of regret.
@@Random17Game Then there’s things in the manga that completely contradict this. Such as in 139 Eren said he plunged his friends into a fight without knowing they’d survive and also said even if he didn’t know the outcome he would’ve done the rumbling because his desire is to flatten the world. I think it’s more accurate to say he gave up what he truly wanted to give his friends a “future” despite there being better answers for letting his friends live a long life such as the euthanasia plan and the 50 year plan. It wouldn’t matter what happens after his friends were dead since Paradis gets destroyed shortly after they died anyway. Sigh.. if you think about it too much it starts to get frustrating
@@lolabee1825 His friends were not at a real risk by the rumbling itself, they could get away easily, although they decided to stay and help and fight. About the euthanasian plan? a future without children is a future of immense suffering, that is not even a realistic option man
Reading/watching attack on titan was an awesome experience. Wasn’t the ending I wanted either but it was good and I wish Isayama didn’t feel compelled to apologize for HIS ending to HIS STORY. I subscribed in like 2020 when you were Dresrosa and I loved the chapter recaps
He was more apologizing that he didn’t go with his gut and execute something well that he didn’t plan on doing in the beginning. The full interview has more context.
Apparently you haven't heard of this thing called "Editors" before.
Dude I followed this guy late 2019 🔥
Same thoughts about the ending as well. Wasn’t the ending I expected, but it was good nonetheless. Doesn’t need to be a big spectacle, the protagonist doesn’t have to win the day to be a good ending. The fanbase kinda reflects the characters in the story ngl.
Just know the hate is in the vocal minority, I see basically the same 3 guys comment under each positive thought bout the ending.
Don’t let them get to you and let’s keep things positive.
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 an editor? What’s that? No way I’ve never heard of that. Lmao what made you think I’ve never heard of an editor
@@obsidian_citadel437 geez man you’re an OG! Respect, and I agree that endings don’t have to always be spectacles. But AoT is one of the greatest anime of all time and I’m excited to see everything animated!
Still my favourite anime after two years❤️ Not prepared for it to end again
I came to terms with the ending. There was so much hype about AOE and all that subtil hate and really... childish defamation of the characters. I was really disappointed about the ending, not only bc it was rushed but also bc the community grew from the hype and only attracted the toxic short-term-stimulus shonen fanboy community even though we knew the anime would become way more sofisticated with the reveal of the outside world.
I discarded all my expectations for what the anime would be at the end just to have MY thoughts only on the anime.
Yeah it's going to be a war again and I am here for it whatever the outcome looking for a good fight.
THANK YOU FOR BEING A MASS MURDERER
@@NicerNeIhTer the ending was good ldlot
It honestly saddens me that rather than getting to talk about a completed story with my friends and have more to recommend to others, I just simply stopped bringing it up in conversations. I may have been personally underwhelmed by the ending, but the most dissapointing experience was the loss of a common talkingpoint and subject. Back in the day I would sit in excitement for the finale of Generator Rex or Avatar, but now I just want everyone to be satisfied enough that the community stays together to cherish the great moments that they already love and enjoyed.
sad
There is always a place in a hopechad aoe community, you can also bring friends, we have enough copium for everyone
@@Bishaps its like between negative and positive if u know what i mean
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@@Bishaps pls upload video
It’s been a year and a half. It’s time to put it behind us. This will always be my favorite manga/anime of all time, but we need to move on. There’s plenty of other manga anime out there.
One thing that really ticked me off however, was that at New York comic con, Isayama felt he had to apologize for the ending he wrote. For me it was heartbreaking and a slap in the face of the amazing journey he took us on.
This is so sad. Isayama and AoT will always be my favorite author and manga of all time, and I didn’t necessarily love the ending.
Been rewatching with a reaction channel season 1 was so lit, I was just so disappointed with how it ended it taints my enjoyment of earlier content.
@@neisan92 Can you explain what you did'nt like about the ending? I don't want to argue, but personally I loved the ending, and I don't really understand the hate towards it.
I just want to know your views.
bro you must of read only aot then lmao so many better mangas out there jojo part 7 sbr easily tops this
@@spazzels50 lmao, how are we supposed to trust some random dude with a Jojo pfp? 😂
The reason I turned to like the ending of AOT is because how meta it got. The ending and story of AOT was about how life is not set in one perspective but can have many. Whatever you did for whatever reason, u will have to live on with that burden, guilt, and responsibility. And there will always be people who will believe and pursue peace and love no matter how ugly that even gets too. The first manga ending of the story really seemed to hope that the fans would get that message.
But of course... that did not happen. Many people got mad for both sides and basically warred among each other. Eventually the author released that other ending later. I always love to imagine the whole situation to be an experiment of the author... maybe he waited to see how we reacted to that first ending... but after seeing that we, "the biggest fans" did not get the moral of the story, he gave us the second ending, which was what we deserved. And this whole situation and meta narrative really made me a HUGE fan of the endings actually lol
The pain of recommending an incomplete story only to have the ending make you want to take back your recommendation due to how pitifully awful it was.
I'm in the exact same boat as you on regards to how I feel about the state of the community and just approaching discussing the manga/show. I pretty much avoid it now and have no care to talk about it.
But I still cherish my experience with this series. Reading it month to month. Watching it as the episodes release.
My only interaction with the community now is through peoples "first time" reactions or videos by yourself and a handful of others I have come to respect. Because they're either fresh, unbiased opinions, or they're well thought out and respectful and not toxic.
My wife is an anime only and I love discussing the show with her and I'm excited for her to experience the ending, and it's ashame I have to actively discourage her from going onto Reddit etc, and not just to avoid spoilers.
Great video, stay safe and drink water ❤️ look forward to your next one
There will always be some type of division amongst fans whether it’s AOT or another manga/anime. I’ve also given up on trying to argue my opinions because it’s just a waste of time
❤attack on Titan will always be special to me
Really nice video. Yea, I do agree that I also feel sorry for Hajime Isayama. It sucks that he had to apologise for a story he wrote.
Agreed, I liked your analysis video on the fanbase as well.
The ending was far from perfect but it's crazy how overblown the hate towards it is
It's because of how much people love AOT, and how peak it is. they feel deeply hurt by such an ending, it's only natural
@@allgIorytogodthey sent death threats, its not natural, its incel behavior
death threats are sent by a tiny minority of pathetic cretins, i'm talking about just hating/not liking the ending@@sreenivas6071
I find it so unfortunate that attack on titan has the fanbase it does. The toxicity is explosive, with several communities going insane at the thought of someone thinking the ending was even just "decent". People really just need to learn that their own opinion doesn't translate to everyone else's.
@@rickrossstagedive3490 Gonna be completely honest I don't think I've seen anyone like that, I guess twitter and reddit just pushes the toxicity towards me instead.
@@rickrossstagedive3490 because the vast majority of people are the rational people inbetween. It's just a small but loud group of people on the far end of either spectrum making noise.
@@jross7287 Ngl Chainsaw man seems to have an even worse fanbase when it comes to toxicity and spoilers. Crazy stuff
@@rickrossstagedive3490 the ending was good tho
@@vould7233 the ending was great tho, why aren't you mentioning that fact???
As an AOT fan that was reading the chapters monthly before the manga ended, I was fine with the ending. Overall, I’ve come to terms with it and I personally believe it’s not a bad or even horrible ending. I feel like with some anime only information that expands on certain points in the ending, then it would be received a lot better in the anime imo
Unfortunately(or not), anime adaptation already has changes, that will make manga ending even less understandable, which is why the only hope for it is aoe. The adaptation can be saved only by being a continuation of manga (timeline theory), and not a somewhat stripped somewhat added manga ending.
*It will remain the Best anime for me!*
SAME FOR ME
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You got bad tastes in that case.
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 what's yours ?
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 "you got bad taste" 🤓 i swear to god these wannabe elitist nowadays are so fkin cringe,can't even get basic subtext and symbolism and act like connoisseurs of fiction
I love this story, man... It literally changed my life.
It hurts my soul, that there are so many people that hate it or call it trash just because of 1 chapter.
Even thou I didnt think that the ending was perfect, it was good for me. The community, that still loves it, shouldn't try to argue or defend everything or it will just fuel the hate.
People on the internet are cruel, that's just how it is.
Edit: These comments just further proves the video point. Im trying to say some nice things, people are just jumping and trying to press the wrong buttons. I won't even try to argue or debate these ideas, if it isn't a constructive criticism.
That 1 chapter was just the dam finally breaking, there were cracks showing well before the ending but that last chapter is just awful to some and thats completely valid. It doesnt mean they should attack Isayama but we all don't gotta agree on liking AoT. Like I'm glad you can love this story and by all means dont let anyone's opinions change that for YOU, because me personally? I don't fucking like how it ended, I barely like the final arc, and I'll stick to that opinion.
The sum of its parts have great things but the ending and how it recontextualizes the story in ways I don't like, I utterly despise.
It was everything after 123, 131 being lenient
Eren simping for mikasa panel is the best manga panel of all time🥵
Eren simping for mikasa panel is the best manga panel of all time🥵
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How can the fan base be bad for being angry over one of there favourite series ever, ending in such an atrocious way.
they can be dissappointed but they do not have to be childish adults.
Don't question anything. Just consume regardless of its quality.
Everyone feels very strongly about this story because everyone made it their own. But the result is that we don't have an AoT community anymore. We have two. And they are at war with each other. It's unpleasant, but that's how it's going to be going forward.
I liked the ending when it first came out but now I love it
I loved the ending. That's it for me. Can't wait for the rest of the anime.
Unfortunate he felt the need to change his original ending into we got lol, genuinely ruined the entire series for me and i fully unironically think almost all characters got ruined by the end, wish i never read it. Wish i was stupid enough to be someone who enjoyed it. Atleast AOTNR is good.
@Spantz456Nair objectively wrong lol aotnr has already made more sense than the original ending
@Spantz456Nair so true cant argue with that 💪🏻
I am still very thankful for your aot videos. They've changed my prespective on how I view the story and I truly hope that one day you'll countiue to talk about it ( if you still have anything you want to see)
say*
I will miss this series man so many thanks I have to give for everyone involved in its creation
EXACTLY my thoughts. and it's even worse when you actually loved and appreciated story as a whole but no longer have a passion to talk about it to other people.
2:20 I’ve just realized how much I enjoyed watching your videos after reading the monthly manga back in 2019 when the rumbling was about to begin
Edit: OMG I received a like from Dresrosa!
A story that changed my life, I’ve rewatched at least 3 times with friends and family after I finished the manga. Experiencing the end of AoT real time was heartbreaking because I realized that I expected literal perfection from a human being and was disappointed when he didn’t give me exactly what I wanted.
I remember obsessing in middle school and almost all of high school because of how he produced ACTUAL PERFECTION back to back on a page. I had never seen anything like it (and then I read berserk) and the chokehold it held on my life was insane to the point where I caught myself crying because one day my favorite characters in my favorite manga would kind of “end” or stop doing anything new. When the manga finally ended, I realized that I was kind of okay with it and I moved on just fine. Maybe I was mad at Isayama for creating a story that I could just move on from, instead of demanding more for the rest of his life.
It's so heartbreaking to see such a good manga like AOT have this terrible fandom. It is literally impossible nowadays to talk about AOT without triggering some ridiculous hater that came out of nowhere to tell you how bad the ending was. They're so insanely annoying. I wish they could just move on with their lives, but they don't even seem to have one. The fandom is such a total mess, it's ironic how the war in AOT kinda reflects what is happening in the fandom (if you can even call it fandom anymore).
I feel the same way every time I try to criticize the series I’ve gotten death threats personally over just saying that I didn’t like the final chapter. Honestly both sides are insanely aggravating.
@@lolabee1825 i think it's fine to give criticism while keeping respect. Although it's hard for me to respect these people that think Eren should've killed 100% of the world... how can I even sympathize with this idea?
It's the sign of a good fandom. It was a masterpiece with a rushed, poorly thought out ending. The fact the fandom cares about it so much that they are making alternative fan endings is really cool.
@@fedewyt those people are the type that u just cannot reason with.
@@fedewyt Because technically it wasn't 100% of the world it was 100% of the world that was *outside paradise island* and perhaps that nation that was working with them meaning his people the Eldians and his friends would get to live and take over the world and not be you know carpet bombed untill none remained like in the ending we got that's what happens when you stop at 80% you just make people want to destroy you more and as soon as they got the means to do so again that's just what they did.
I feel sorry for AOT aswell. Reading and analyzing the latest chapter each month was a great experience. Unfortunately the ending disappointed me too. But what hurts the most is to see the fanbase being so split after the ending. This is something I have NEVER seen in any other story like that. There are people who hated the ending so much, that they insulted Isayama and sent him death threats, which is completely unacceptable. On the other side there are people who defended the ending at all costs and proclaimed it to be the best ending possible, which it is clearly not. There were just too many flaws in the end. I can only imagine this happened, because AOT was such a perfectly written story, so everyone had such high expectations for the end. My hope is that the anime will clear some things up and maybe go more into detail, so that people who liked or disliked the ending can still enjoy it in the anime. I would be really glad if the fanbase could be somewhat reunited after the anime ending
Doubt it (it will be worse because more people will join the fandom but divided like the rest, so just repeat of what happened in the manga but for the anime)... unless it has an Anime Original Ending or just changes certain things from the manga ending which people disliked or REALLY hated.
@@triton5336 i feel like if it does go the aoe route it will make the manga ending make more sense
The ending was solid
@@cris-os8ti There needs to be some changes in motivations (For The Rumbling), Characterisation (especially Eren and Armin) and different ending where humanity is annihilated also if Eren wants to free Ymir he should do so in a different way that it reflects his drive for freedom. Instead of Dying because he had no free will or because it was forced on him or something Eren should die for freedom however there is no way that's gonna happen because No one can oppose him unless he let's them so Eren would survive but be a broken shell of a man comforted by those he sacrificed himself and humanity for. Sounds like a way more interesting story then what we got which ruins Eren, Armin and Mikasa.
@@topshelf5032 far from solid
I found your channel around the time that the chapter’s corresponding with season 4 part 1 were coming out, and I just want to say that I thoroughly enjoyed going through the last part of the story with you. You made it a memorable experience, thank you.
I’m sorry that you have to feel this way just about discussing a series. Regardless of what people think about the ending, the split within the community really does ruin what used to be with this fanbase
You see this happening with Chainsawman, with people who have read the manga absolutely ruining it for the people who were anime watchers. People were falling for plot points (Like Makima dying, or Kobeni being useless) that the author INTENDED and weird manga readers acted superior for some reason? It's sad.
Some of my friends dropped CSM because they were immediately spoiled by its community. This is so odd, because CSM fanbase was never like this.
@@2moreminutes Well my take is this is. If you don't want to be spoiled then you better read the manga before you go around reading comments. As I'm not going to muzzle myself about part 2 and such just becuase someones to lazy to read a few panels.
@@2moreminutes Also it's called gatekeeping and the good communitys do it because once the normies get in everything gets ruined fast *Cough* Friday Night Funkin, Undertale, Amoung Us. *Cough*
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 When they create an anime it isn't only intended for people who read the manga. Anime intended audiences are the main audience (hence the entirely different direction in pace/revelation in information). These people will of course want to discuss it with other anime viewers.
Apply your logic to literally ANY other form of cross platform media and it doesn't hold up. Game of Thrones? Harry Potter? You're telling me people should never discuss these things unless they've completed the books?
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 Good communities want people to enjoy media as much as they did. Good communities foster that experience, not withhold it. I disagree entirely. Your argument implies superiority.
Attack on titan is how I found your channel back before you changed the name. I not only miss getting excited to read the chapters but to watch your videos about them! Was so excited to hear your thoughts over a year later ❤️
I loved AOT. The ending did leave me with plenty of questions. But I was still fine with it, as a whole. I just don't understand the extra pages that came out a few weeks after the finale. They make it seem like absolutely everything was for nothing.
That being said, the toxicity from both people who loved the ending, and people who hated it, is insane. There are entire subreddits dedicated to hating the series because they didn't like the ending. Which is just sad to me. As you said, you can't even talk about AOT without someone from either side jumping down your throat. I've never seen anything quite like it.
the ending of AoT is similar to the ending of GoT. The ending makes it question "is it worth going back to rereading it /rewatching it" I would say no. The ending just destroys going back to chapter 1 and knowing how it ends.
Look at Lord of the Rings. How many times people have re-watched that 20 years later.
Personally, I enjoyed the ending of the the bird wrapping mikasa’s scarf. It was sad and heartbreaking, but beautiful at the same time. I didn’t like the aftermath of Eren death, but at the end of the day, I’m happy that I allowed myself to experience Aot and grateful for what Isayama has brought has to us as a community. It’s his vison and perspective of the story and I respect that as a fan.
Stay Safe Everyone!
Literally how I felt after it ended.
The ending was good in my opinion. Eren dying makes sense however him crying for mikasa kinda makes no sense. Historia was kinda wasted ngl. I wish they fleshed out ymir a bit more, reiner being a simp for historias handwriting is kinda funny cuz in s2 he said "I wanna marry this girl". So that makes sense.
A bit rushed but with the anime it will be better and better paced. Eldia gettin nuked shouldn't be added. Like adding that in kinda makes Eren's journey pointless, and all the deaths in AOT as a whole included. Who knows, we may get an AOE ending cuz the outro for s4 part 2 is odd. Like eldia is abandoned, erens the only one there etc. Like MAPPA why make that? Also there is a few lines in the manga which weren't added in the anime (one of the eps of the paths) so who knows what that could mean. In the ep with the shards of the future there is 2 shards which isnt in the manga as well.
Overall i love AOT and eren as a character. AOE ending or the ending we got in the manga is fine by me. I just hope its a bit slower paced and a bit more fleshed out. N hopefully they don't add the extra pages where eldia gets nuked.
@@Maki-qw8he I can understand that. I respect it
@@Maki-qw8he I can understand that. I respect it
I knew people would be divided when we got to the end. Personally, I knew it wouldn’t be the ending I wanted and accepted it. And it had a decent ending IMO
I personally loved the ending. We got something realistic to the world and the characters and at the end of the day you can't expect Isayama to write something so realistic and then solve world peace in the ending. No one can do that. It was a bittersweet ending that not only shows the reality of the world but to cherish what you do have. I was fine understanding it but I do wish it was made clearer with more chapters. It would have helped create more time to build things up and others may have actually understood the ending.
Couldn’t have said it better👏👏
@@JohnRed Bruh, this is not a series that spells stuff out to you. You need actual knowledge in literature to be able to look at what things actually mean. I'll go point by point.
1: Falco inheriting the jaw made sense and we know that changes to titans happen depending on the user. His name is literally Falco, the whole arc brought up the advancements in air technology, plus it's not like he's a broken plot device that can carry tons of people, he has a clear limit. For someone who Eren compared himself to when they first met it makes sense that his titan represents freedom.
2: Eren was stuck in a time loop. Because his future self influenced things before he was born, there's nothing he can do about it. Ever since he kissed Historia's hand he'd seen bits and pieces of what he was going to do. We can tell from his reaction after Sasha died that he really didn't know of everything to come and that he cursed his fate. He knew he couldn't change the future. When he talked to Armin and Mikasa he was trying to push them away. He knew he'd die in the end.
3: The rumbling was also drastic enough for both sides of the war (the reasonable people at least) to come together to stop it. And it's not like they just got along. First of all if there's something threatening your family and the entire world that you can stop I think you'll try to get along, but also they shit on eachother a ton here. Eventually they understood that their the same but they never fully forgave eachother, they just came to enough of a mutual agreement to finish the job. The group is legitimately made out of the strongest fighters that we know of in the entire series. They all have battle experience and training too. Especially the Marleyans. While some titans from many generations ago might have their old ass war tactics, not these guys. Eren knew that he couldn't change the fact that the rumbling would happen so he had the "heroes" come to kill him so that the remainder of the world would see that only Eren was the issue and that the other Eldians were heroes (this would only last so long however, but it makes a big difference).
Gonna have to make this 2 comments to address everything
@@JohnRed 4: As I said Eren was trapped by the future and had to push his friends away. Since he had to do the rumbling the fastest way to get there was to use Zeke and people who would blindly follow him like Flock. By taking over the government he was able to make his friends hate him enough for them to work together with the warriors to take him down, and it also gave him enough free reign to take control of the situation without having higher ups trying to do things like have Historia inherit the beast titan.
5: When Eren talked to Reiner, he was trying to show how he realized the moral grey zone and their similarities. Reiner didn't know any better and had to do it for his own freedom as well as his family and community, while Eren had to do it to protect his people and family, as well as was forced to go to the lengths that he went due to the attack titan's power.
6: Why was there a time loop in the first place? Well it was because Ymir had what's known as Stockholm Syndrome. This is where the abused eventually develops feelings for the abuser. In this case the abuser is the king. Ymir trapped by the trauma she had faced that she thinks of as "love" stayed in the paths. However a small bit of her wanted to be free. She could not mentally do it herself however so she got Eren to do it for her. We know this because Eren asks Ymir when they first meet if she's the one who lead him there. She just wanted to find someone to help free herself from the pain.
7: Eren was a pretty stubborn crybaby at times in the past in the series, but obviously as he learned more about the world he changed. And when he learned the future he got really depressed because of what had to be done. He had to put up a front because of the future. We know he still cared. He said it himself in the Marley flashback. He had to hide his emotions and when he was finally free of his burden he could remove that mask. He hated having to dedicate his life to this future instead of just running away with Mikasa. He wished they could all just have a normal life. He's a human being like all of us. Of course he feels this way. He finally gets to talk to Mikasa one last time, and though we don't see what they say in paths we know that he reciprocated his feeling by the way Mikasa gave him a kiss goodbye as he died.
8: Everything here made perfect sense I believe that the confusion has to do with the fact that the series has attracted a mainstream shonen audience because of the previous seasons and they're just not used to that kind of literary complexity in their series. This was answer but needed to cover everything you brought up
@@bmxgu2361 You are intentionally pretending to not understand things so you can trick yourself into not hating the series after what Isayama has done to it.
Your defense for Falco turning into a bird is that ''it made sense that he inherited the jaw'' and that his name is Falco. The jaw titan isn't a bird and the beast titan doesn't multiply and turn everyone else into beast titans. Titan shifter powers mixing and multiplying didn't exist in the story at any point until Isayama wanted to pull it out of his ass for a cheap twist and make Falco relevant for the last few chapters.
Falco turning into a bird because his name is Falco(n) is incredibly shitty writing and isn't defensible. This isn't supposed to be a comedy series.
The time loop fan theory cop-out doesn't exist in the manga. It's something people made up to explain why nothing Eren does makes any sense.
Your defense for why Eren did this is that he wanted to show the world that only he is the problem and other Eldians were the heroes, yet he made a cult worshipping him and overthrew the Paradis government so now Yeagerists control all of Paradis island, so actually if anyone comes to Paradis they'll find a totalitarian Eren worshipping government that wants all non-Eldians killed and thinks the only problem with killing 80% of the world is that Eren didn't finish the other 20%.
Eren killed most of the world's population, killed his friends, destroyed the planet's ecosystem and doomed his own people to be brutally murdered, captured, tortured, enslaved, all for no reason. His reason for doing this is ''I don't know why I did that'' and ''I like that scenery.'' Your reason for him doing this is ''muh time loop.'' Eren even destroyed the one nation that Paradis was allied to which made all their weapons and traded with them.
@@JohnRed I legit explained this in detail and I have no clue how you got out of it what you did. I'm just even more upset that the fandom is like this now. I mean like if you understood but still didn't like it I get it but if the information we write can't go across understood then I might as well stop talking here because it's just depressing having to deal with this stuff
i cannot wait to see 139 animated , its going to be fucking hilarious !! i dont even know if i hate or like the ending anymore , its just simply " chap 139 " its gonna be a meme shitshow
@@quicklyform5162 yes ! I want that !
@@harryhazza626 NO I DONT WANT THAT!! NOT 10 YEARS AT LEAST.
Yeah, I’m still wondering how the Anime-onlys are gonna react to the ending.
aw shit, here we go again...
@@piss_blood3191 they gonna lose their $hits, most of anime only fanbase. However it will blow over pretty fast as compared to the manga because most anime only fans are casuals so they move on pretty easily.
As someone who has mixed thoughts on the ending I never got the sentiment that it ruined the whole series. It makes sense for that to happen for something short like darling in the franxx, but aot is a long show with - by the time it ends - over 100 episodes. There's too much good for anything to ruin that for me. I think the chapter was a good concept with poor execution. I just hope they can fix that execution in the anime
Great video. The community is so crazy. A bunch of think they're on the 'right side' for enjoying the ending, and just think it absolves them from being toxic asf. And since it's pretty much split in the middle, everyone just blames the other side.
I still love this story. However, the Fandom has drained the energy out of me that I used to feel while reading said story. However, I'm still waiting for Part 3. I'm still excited to see what studio MAPPA will do for the final segment and how it's adapted. I hope that when you are ready, you can watch it as well. If not, I'm glad you had a good time with the series
Ouch that's going to be a rare MAPPA L what a shame.
After rereading Attack on Titan like 12 times, I can confidently say that AOT is masterpiece from start to the end. Chapter 139 is a little rushed but oh my god, it fits so much to the theme of AOT.
EDIT: I'm just gonna ignore the replies to this comment cuz the biggest problem with AOT is, people like to stomp their point of views on other people.
I have stopped calling anything I loved a masterpiece but I can say for sure that there is no other seris i have watched where I had this much fun revisiting it again and again
@@nuru5904 I like to be a little childish sometimes that's why I call my fav shows masterpieces 😉
Nothing but facts my man
I can understand people, who invested a lot of their time in the story, now feeling heartbroken that it wasn't what they expected. That happened to me with Game of Thrones. But as a viewer who binge watched AoT in a few days(something that is very rare for me. Getting so addicted in a story) i loved it, 9/10. I have some critics about it, but i felt the bittersweetness and i understand the author intentions on what message he was trying to show, even though it could have been better executed i still really liked it.
No one can be this fast
Yo it's so wild it feels like 3 to 4 years since the last chapter dropped
I used to watch AoT every day, I never proclaimed it as the best anime ever but without writing a paragraph, I like to remember a quote from Glass Reflection; in his opinion, 'Ending is Paramount' which I agree with. Its why shows like Code Geass are still being talked about.
Even if I'm more indifferent towards the ending than some people, I feel bad that Isayama has to apologize. He probably wishes he could rewrite the entire story at this point.
@@GameTheGalaxy He should but l still wouldn't read it I lost trust in him completely. He should just run that spa of his instead.
@@youdontneedtoknow7548 I just don't know where his head was at when he decided to do the crazy things he did. He destroyed all his characters.
@@nworder4life i think there was a blog post or interview where isayama stated that towards the end he started looking at forums, comments etc to write the ending, rather than ending it the way he wanted and I feel that this ultimately caused the ending to not be so good
I feel like his original dark ending he mentioned but ended up scraping it would have been wayy better
for some reason this happens a lot with popular shonen titles and even to this day it still confuses me as to why.
By this Point i dont even know if the ending was good or bad
Ch 139 cemented Eren as THE most underappreciated/overlooked character in fiction, the amount of people that misunderstand him completely is insane, very unfortunate for AOT, hope things change for the better with the upcoming anime season.
This ending is pure shit. After chapter 131 AOT became a true garbage (and I am a fan since Day One). Isayama knows it, that's why he is so sad and needs to apologize. This is the reality dear blind people.
I love this series, and I am sad to see it fully coming to the end.
Yeah I can't agree with you more on this topic. For me my least favorite people to talk about media with aren't the ones who I disagree with the most but the people who are so unwilling to accept perspectives conflicting their own. I see it in a lot of other fandoms also unfortunately.
Attack on Titan is my bae ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I don't think it's possible for me to care any less about what the haters say.
Despite not liking the ending myself, I have no problem calling it a masterpiece. It was just too good for most of its run, and had a huge impact on me growing up.
Anyway, it's not all over until the anime ends. Hopechads unite!
I just wanna know what happened. Why he made the choices he did. I don’t think it’s fair for you to say he was writing as the fans wanted to see it because the fans comments tweets etc didn’t get posted or tweeted til AFTER we read the chapters as they came out. And chapters take WEEKS before they get published so his vision was lost or gone long before anyone put out their opinion. I wish I knew where he went so wrong. Why he dropped the ball so bad. Before anyone says I’m hating or being negative, I love his creativity and his vision but as a fan we should be able to critique his work. It’s no different that giving your opinions about movies tv shows or video games. It’s just our opinion. Doesn’t mean we’re right or wrong. Everyone will have their own views on any one form of media or art. I just loved Eren and the story so much I wanted him to succeed in his goals. Not the pos ending we got where he dies and accomplishes absolutely nothing.
You call the shit you people spouted "Critique"? That "Critique" you people shit everyday on the internet ranges from "Eren simp", "Ending Shit", "Ch.139 isn't canon; AOE is", "Stupid Isayama", "Worse than GOT Ending", the dove emoji and many MANY other childish trolling shit. That's the "cirque" I remember and that I'll always remember. So whenever I see an "Ending is Shit" comment anywhere, I just assume you're another "Hater for the sake of it" who doesn't want to accept and understand that his "Opinion" is subjective or another sick troll. if you want your answers, then you should re-read the series as whole with the mindset of "I WANT answers and to understand the story that is written rather the one I created in my head" rahter than "I WANT validation that I was right to shit on a piece of written fiction" and stop taking the show so fu**ing LITERALLY and look at the actions of the character, not just their words. If you don't find you answers then fine, but please don't be an immature child and assume that just because you didn't understand the story, themes, messages and the characters, then others didn't.
@@scythe9734 I’m not reading all that lol but why are people assuming and projecting that I’m speaking for people who insult him lol I’m speaking for myself
@@davidvilla5279 Oh, you don't like to read alot? Okey, then I have no problem with you hating AOT, I'm actually glad. Thanks for clarifying.
@@scythe9734 now where the hell did you get that from? 💀 y’all be saying anything when your favorite manga gets critiqued in the slightest. I read every chapter. Multiple times.
@@davidvilla5279 No, I have no problem with actual "Critique". What I have problems with are people who only care about the plot and don't give a shit about how the themes and messages are handled, and think shows are either 10/10 or 1/10. they're the same people who think Code Geass and FMAB are the best shows ever even though that by the end these fu**ed the themes, which they handled very well throughout their run, in favor of just wrapping up the plot in the most childish amateurish ways possible. These same people are the ones who came for the Battle Shounen AOT and couldn't grow as the Manga/Anime grew along the way.
For years your channel and this community was my only contact with another who was also up to date on the manga, thank you
-I’m one of the fans that was angry about the ending. -
For me, and I think a lot of people who feel that the ending messed up the story. It doesn’t seem like it was an accident. It doesn’t even seem like an ending the author would want. In what world does the main character turn from a man of complete resolve and love for his people even if it means the distraction of the world. To a simp for a girl who has attempted to get close to him the entire show, armin slapping him, Eren lost resolve, the titan problem unsolved… what… no one and I mean no one. Even remotely thinks that a good ending. I think most people who are upset with the ending feel the same because it is probably an attempt to continue a series that should have come to an end. The most beautiful series an all of anime. SHOULD END, this can’t become a one piece or naruto we’re the creator just keep making episodes to make more money. END THE SERIES and END IT RIGHT. If you want more money make another series. But we believe even the creator when writing it doesn’t believe the ending was good
Eren simping isn't even a problem because it just adds to the motivation of a man who wants to destroy humanity the problem I have with the relationship is how it is used to parallel a relationship that is completely different in Ymir and King fritz for obvious Reasons unless somehow The abuser and slave loved each other like how Eren And Mikasa does. Making Eren's Death completely stupid and POINTLESS when He could have just talk to Ymir (she is obviously not retarded...)
See, when you unironically believe Eren is a simp when Mikasa is included in a breakdown to any capacity, that's why people tend to roll their eyes at people who don't like the ending, not because you don't like the ending period.
Because it feels like you're deleting crucial elements from your brain just to make this angle work, that Eren did this all because of being a simp or a cuck or whatever buzzword Reddit is using.
I believe it's a good ending because Eren died BECAUSE of his resolve. Not because he had a lack of it. His eleutherophilic march was ever only going to end in tragedy because what he wanted was never going to coexist with anyone else that wasn't him or his friends.
And Isayama and his editor already said they had no plans on continuing the series, so I don't understand where that is coming from. Or that the Titan powers are back because the tree Eren was buried under looks the same ? Not to mention that's not how it works, the Origin of All Life was there for ages so it isn't the tree itself that is what causes it. No, the tree is symbolic of the forest that the generation we followed were lost in. What led to Paradis' destruction. All of that. The child represents the generation after. And it's left ambiguous if he will enter said forest and get lost in it.
Honestly, It's only the last chapter for me that felt very rushed and unusual, You simply can't have 1 chapter ruin the previous 138 for you, Thankfully the anime has the ability to go further in depth and make the ending better without needing to go anime original
It's not 1 chapter though, it's ever since Erens friends turned on him.(For me anyway)I seriously doubt the people that are disgusted with AOT like me are upset over just 1 final chapter.
@@nworder4life It's perfectly fine you didn't enjoy the last arc but we can all agree majority of the outrage came after the final chapter released
@@helvijssaukants3479 The last chapter was where it all broke. I was there, people were desperate but holding on to hope that it would get better, that some massive twist would save the ending, but it never came. Not only was the last chapter extra terrible, but it broke the wall. All the people that hated the direction and the lead up to it, but where holding out till the last second. When it dropped and their hopes of the ending pulling out of the tailspin it was in were dashed people lost their shit.
The whole last arc isn't the strongest in the series, but it's still pretty good with some great highlights. For me it's the last two chapters that contain some serious problems.
@@neisan92 Well put.
I loved the ending. Really admire how Isayama wrote the ending that HE wanted and didn’t pander to the fans. At the end of the day, it’s his story, it’s his decision how he wants to end the story, and it’s up to us how we want to interpret that.
He actually changed the original ending that he had planned for the series. They wanted him to write the ending open ended so they can make money off a spin off series. That’s what killed his ending. They forced him to change it.
@@Dankshin0bi can you link the source of this info? Its the first time I hear about this.
@@stevengucum I don’t have a link , but I was a monthly reader I followed the story for years and around late 2018 early 2019 there was an interview in Japan of isyama and another person talking about attack on titan and how it will end, the man admitted he changed his original ending that he had planned for the story. Basically there was no other good ongoing manga in that publishers magazine so they wanted to get a spin off out of it.
@@stevengucum he did an interview recently were he talked about it
He didn't wanted that ending lmao
I have found the manga community is its own community in some ways. The anime only viewers might have different opinions and more openness. The different sides and opinions in the conflict is also representative of the community. The anime might things a bit better. The scope is too huge. I can definitely see similar controversy and toxicity popping up with chainsawman community with particular characters, conflicts and events
I’ve come to believe that AOT is the story of our times. No other story has taken an in-depth look at generational violence/hated as AOT has. Plus, there’s that whole conflict will never end thing (here we are still fighting). Even though I didn’t like the ending, I’ve realized that the good has far outweighed the bad. For me, I’ve put it in the same category as Huck Finn and Evangelion; stories that will be remembered and heavily influential despite their flawed endings. To see more on how it’s the story of our times, there’s a great video by Pilgrims Pass on it.
I felt the exact same way. AOT does have a deeper meaning behind the story
Don't be sorry. Be better.
I’m gonna be completely honest, I hated the ending. Although I can see why people may hate the series now after reading the ending, I still love it regardless. And just because some people may think they ending is bad, doesn’t mean we should be crapping on isayama, calling him a bad writer, etc, because that’s just not true. People should not be harassing him over his own story. It may have not ended the way I wanted, but all that matters is it’s his story, and he can do whatever he wants with it.
I agree with the reason you gave for not talking about it anymore.. Even tho now everything's calm down & territory's have been formed the utter chaos that happened after the ending was numbing & exhausting to say the least.
Man wth are you talking about? Over emotional, “I hope Isayama can forget AOT” dude this is a masterpiece from beginning to end. Everyone ain’t gon see eye to eye, don’t let them ruin what you love.. put on your big boy pants
Even though Attack on Titan has a batshit quality ending, it's still a great phenomenon I still can't forget.
I'm okay with Isayama made mistakes in his writings although I believe criticisms of writings is important for any creator.
I think the only reason why AoT as a story is always difficult is because it is labelled as Shonen. There's a limit cap on how much can he write.
AOT will always be #1 on my life. The story. The amount of mind fucks it gave me. The AMOUNT OF HEARTBREAKS. The emotions it gave me was insane for a damn show.. I get people are disappointed by the ending. but I am glad Isayama can retire.
Aot was my reemergence back into the anime community after taking a long hiatus from the anime community. The first 93 chapters had some of the best storytelling that I have seen in modern day anime since the early days of Berserk and HXH. The characters, the world building, the interactions and relationships of the characters felt nuanced with a hint of realism. The series launched itself into masterpiece status with those chapters alone. However, the storytelling definitely took a hit after the Marley arc. The last few arcs definitely suffered from a rushed deadline and a creative burnout from Isayama, I wished the publishers gave the guy a huge break before starting the final saga of his story. Attack on titan has its flaws but I still appreciate it as an iconic story that has inspired old and new mangaka with their stories. To name a few examples Chainsaw man, Jujutsu Kaisen, Dandadan, and Kaiju No.8. I have my grievances with the ending, but I won’t go into details.
I still appreciate the story and its message. In ten years I’ll read this story again, and appreciate its storytelling and the flaws that it had. If and when Isayama does release a new manga, I will be there to support his next endeavors.
I get it, but don't let anyone ruin your journey with it. Throw that energy into a well and use it for a 10 year retrospective lol.
Ending aside, the closest film I had seen before this have that sort of impact on the watchers afterwards is "Do The Right Thing" from Spike Lee, and "American History X". Both are timeless and have left major impacts on the watchers, even if people avoid discussing them after seeing reactions to it.
Everyone cherry picks their arguments and comes to different "meanings", but I am always of the mind there are usually multiple meanings that are simultaneously true.
Yo last chapter of chainsaw man was awesome, especially the part where asa reminded us all of power 😭 and the fact that denji is probably the only person to ever tell asa that she's fun
The story up until the final say 12 chapters is near perfect, but its blatant to see it dropped in quality. The ending wasnt just bad it was meme'd to hell and back, Erens breakdown is repeated and parodied endlessly in other communities.
That said, AoT is not the first community this occurred too. Star Wars fans dealt with the exact same split in The Last Jedi, gae of thrones ending resulted in the same result.
And you are right in all instances that fans on either side, that loved it and see no faults and fans that look at the show objectively and critique it results in a massive clash and spews toxicity.
Hi there, I'm a new-comer to your channel (through CSM) and after seeing this video on your thoughts on AoT (an anime that is very dear to me and I also share your thoughts and feel sorry for the anime, disappointed about the toxicity it received), I then binged your all your videos from chap 130 to the end and I just want to say I wished I had discovered your channel sooner for your thoughts and perceptions as well as your then lively state towards AoT. And I hope you'll still make some AoT videos in the future but that would be highly unlikely (of course due to the extreme toxicity and what you stated in the video), if you don't I'll still highly respect that decision and will still undoubtedly follow you for other animes. Some last words is that I hope that MAPPA or anything is able to repair the damaged legacy of AoT, it would be such a shame if AoT will be remembered like this.
thank you for this video! thank you for speaking your mind! youre very wise! i love your channel! thank you!!!
AOT is still my favourite animanga of all time and that won’t change despite the toxicity of this fandom. I try not to always engage with the fandom and mostly laugh off any bad faith arguments but I feel bad for Hajime Isayama the most he deserved a better fandom, I’m glad he went to anime nyc and the love the fandom gave him which almost brought him to tears you could tell he was deeply loved by it 😢
It genuinely sucks that one of my favorites of all time has one of the most volatile fandoms to ever exist. I kinda want the anime done and over with so we can get the second wave of outrage and the dust can finally settle. Maybe we can look back a few years from now when the angry fans move on or get over it so we can have civil discourse again
I love Attack on titan and it is one of my favorite media experiences of all time period. I am disappointed with a lot of the fan base, but I think the character change in Eren and the Jeagerist movement toward the end is a perfect summary of the toxic fan base that refuses to grapple with his character change and miss a multitude of points regarding his freedom, his choice, and ours in turn. It's truly a final beautiful tragedy that is fitting of the narrative and carries over to our real world.
My big thing is no matter how anyone feels, we should all be able to agree that for the vast majority of it's run - I'm talking up until that very last chapter - it was the absolute best written story of its time. It brought us together to talk and theorize and debate about all of it. It was enrapturing. I really enjoyed your nuanced takes on each chapter, as it felt like being able to have a thoughtful discussion with another fan about it, in a time when many were isolated AND many didn't even know about the greatness that was coming out month after month. I ask that you consider revisiting it when the anime ends so we can at least have one more lovely chat. And I wish that the community would grow up about it and learn to accept whatever ending the anime lands on, in its adaptation.
ima be honest, the amount of ending defenders in these comment sections actively disgust me.
Isayama awfully butchered his ending, his new editor was a worse writer than he was, and helped badly in ruining the ending of AOT.
The ending of AOT is more than just bad, its GOD *AWFUL*, it completely removes all character arcs and personality and goes for a creepy, uncomfortably poorly written "hur dur incest kissy kissy child m*lestation!" ending, erens character was ruined, mikasas character was shafted, armin was BUTCHERED and historia was non-existent.
Lol cope
Historia hadn’t been important since the time skip, why would she play a role in the end when the author himself didn’t care about her?
@@BigLipBoy thats literally exactly what i said, she was hyped up so hard pre-timeskip, then at the start of timeskip she was hyped up, then we got the eren and historia speech, and then boom, gone, she got baby-maker'd and written out of the story, only to appear at the very end with "muh baby"
Pro-natalism and anti-natalism are equally problematic just like any philosophy words started with a "pro-" or "anti-". It's a necessary risk if you want to tread the path AOT have raced through.
I personally think it's perfect, and the community get upset with legitimate reasons. These two facts won't have to go against each other. But not everyone seeks art when they watch anime. That's another fact/risk any content creators have to deal with.
While there are genuine flaws in the ending, the way it is told as "horrible" is quite overselling. Especially the ones saying S8 of got was better need to watch S8 of got again and stop pretending to be intellectuals cause they are not.
I think that I’m going to wait for the anime. Anime and manga are different mediums, and it can be done better or worse. I also think that when the anime comes out, we will see different opinions about the ending as more people have seen it. One thing that bothers me is when people compared AOT to Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones wasn’t as good as AOT, and Game of Thrones was on a decline since season 4, and AOT only got weaker in the last few chapters. I haven’t read it, but the anime is still good thus far, so I’m assuming it will go downhill in part 3, so I will wait, but it was not halfway through the series like Game of Thrones.
It's gonna be just as bad. At least Jon Snow lived.
@@nworder4life I highly doubt that.
@@thomasffrench3639 Well I look forward to your reaction.
@@nworder4life I guess 8 half hour episodes are going to ruin a show more than half the series.
i love this anime and manga
My favorite soundtracks are from this masterpiece I hope someone could agree on the music how emotional and hard it goes
Damn
You can't take both parties equally
In one hand you have people who are actually praising the many good aspects of the 9 final chapters, despite their few negatives here and there
And in the other hand you have people who are slandering the series, the creator and the staff working on this series without a damn clue what "constructive criticism" is...
So it's not even comparable at this point, it's either you understand the story or not, as simple as that
I'm not saying the ending is perfect, but it's not bad either, and opinions should not deviate from this fact because if not people will start criticising whatever they don't like and we all know what this rotten side of the fandom wants the story to be...
Fax
Ending is bad and is a let down of expectations isayama has set for himself. People who defend the ending vehemently despite its obvious flaws are as bad those who ridicule it along with the series. The entire family rumbling arc was rushed and had the most poorly written dialogue as well as characterization.. He subverted expectations in the worst possible way..
The rotten side of depends on which side of the fandom you are.. Ending defenders were slandering and threatening those fans who wrote different or alternate ff... That's no different than those who threatened the author. The underlying cause is the same.
However attacking the author is never okay.
@@koushikvijayakumar7924 So you're one of them huh, okay
I'm sorry to tell you but Isayama never disappointed his fans who truly loves AOT and appreciate its masterclass writing for characters
So that's completely projection from you and your fellow ending haters on every other person who actually liked the ending lol
We can agree that Ch 126 was very rushed, and it could've been done better especially since it's the beginning of the alliance, but to tell the truth it's the only major issue in this last stretch, everything that came later was done in a better writing especially the death of the characters, the insane plot twists and how they connected with some things that were foreshadowed in the past and not to mention many inconic scenes as well
So the flaws you're talking about are nothing compared to the actual flaw in the characterisation of ch 126, because aside from that everything else was meant to happen whether you liked it or not lol
(Ik Isayama considers Armin's dialogue with Eren as something he could've wrote in a better way, and tbh he's right but even so Ch 139 had a lot of memorable moments such as the clever decision of making Eren & Armin talk as their younger selfs and then grow up while seeing the world destroyed, as well as the last panels that described the peace around the world and last but not least the famous 9 panels which were the last missing puzzle in his story, and they contributed a lot of realism to his masterpiece and it was needed
Now moving to the most ridiculous thing, do you seriously still compare the people who enjoyed the ending (and rightfully so) with those who clowned Isayama and pretended to write better endings while they were nothing but literal shit ? Lmao
If your answer is still yes, then that's concerning and I have nothing say to you but to ensure you that the anime will adapt this amazing ending in the most beautiful way possible...
So good luck with living with that in 2023 lol
@@khalil6506 I'm sorry I hurt your weird fetish for isayama..Fans can write whatever ending they want. It doesn't matter of it's good or bad. Isayama himself doesn't seem to have a concern over it. Infact he encouraged it actually. They aren't the problem with the fandom. Those fans who think the ending is a masterpiece and that their opinion and their interpretation is the most valid and supreme are the problem. They prevent any constructive criticisms of the manga.
The flaws are never nothing. A bigger flaw in story writing doesn't make the smaller ones disappear. Flaw in characterization and pacing can be tolerated to some extent but how do you tolerate the basic flaws in logic and reasoning itself. Falco controlling the jaw Titan in a matter of days, Infinite gas supply, Past Titans including Kruger who was an eldian nationalist himself going against eren at last minute, how the wall Titans didn't go on a rampage when Zeke was decapitated and so on... These are not flaws in characterization or pacing, these flaws go against what's established previously in the manga itself.
I think no amount conversation with folks such as you who resort to calling names of the other person can lead to a meaningful conclusions
@@khalil6506 Truly loves AoT ? Lmao.. That's such a ridiculous statement. The fact you think those who criticise the ending doesn't appreciate/love AoT says a lot..
I love this series very much but the story became so frustrating every time I remember something good and something I liked something that’s terrible and I heavily disliked is right next to it. I’m disappointed in the story and I feel sorry for it but I’ve left my anger and frustration behind me but every once and awhile someone from the fandom sneaks their way back in and causes that same frustration. I don’t even know how it’s possible that Isayama created a story where two people can think it’s a vastly different story despite reading the same material. It’s poor execution and it lead to the most toxic community I’ve ever seen. I hope after some years past the fandom will thin out and leave.
It's not the story's fault, the community is absolutely horrific and toxic. Thats not Isayama's fault in any way, that's idiots who only want to tear other people down on the internet.
@@red.4712 I mean don’t get me wrong the fandom is a whole different thing from the story itself and is super toxic though not having a well written executed final arc makes things so much worse. Like things were bad before but man.. after the ending..
The conclusion of the story ended thematically perfect and flawless. A closed ending at that. And it narratively landed through and through. Isayama's story, Attack on Titan, will ALWAYS remain as the the single greatest story out there. There's a reason why it's 2022's "most in-demand TV" globally. Cannot wait for everyone to see the masterclass conclusion when Part 3 gets animated.
ah hell nah
This man gets it
Idk about perfect I mean in the end erens plan failed and paradis was still destroyed
The thing that confused me the most is was the remaining population was just suppose to believe the alliance defeated eren and saved the world without seeing it happen and knowing most of them came from paradis. I mean the same people who were saying they regretted they’re irrational hatered of paradis and would change if they had a chance litterally drew there guns at armin and them even after they saw them defeat eren 💀
Love the channel man. I also love AOT but really hated the ending. I'd love to have a calm, rational and respectful back and forth with people about these few unanswered questions that really keep me from loving the ending. So if you're gonna be a jerk face because I don't like the ending to your favorite manga, go for it. But I'm being genuine with my questions and want good faith feedback.
1. How did Mikasa see different memories of her and Eren? I thought the entire point of the Ackerman's was that they're super strong and their memories can't be altered by the founding Titan?
2. How does it make sense that Historia had a baby with her childhood bully? Where's the narrative consistency there with her character?
3. Eren dies? Fine. Eren loved Mikasa? Fine. But how TF is my man supposedly a bird? There are so many weird things with birds in this series when it comes to memories and none of it gets answered.
4. Armin, Armin, Armin... What was the quote of his? "To surpass monsters, you have to discard your humanity" Is this not what Eren was trying to do? And Armin wanted to stop him? I really don't get it.
5. Ymir Fritz had Stockholm syndrome and loved King Fritz?? And what's the connection between her and Mikasa? How does this make Mikasa the actual main character that Ymir cared about and not Eren? Him being the one that freed her and agreed to help destroy the world?
6. With the additional pages added after the final chapter we get to see the island destroyed. A new "Titan Tree" with a kid approaching it and presumably gaining the powers of the Titans (or else why show that at all?). Doesn't this prove Eren was right to destroy his enemies? All of his friends and their families have been killed for sure now.
Thank you in advance for reading this. I'm also assuming there is no AOE, so in my opinion all of these questions should have been answered in the current material.
Thanks for being chill and reasonable. A lot of people in this fanbase are horribly toxic and would send death threats over disliking the ending.
1. I'm not sure about this one to be honest, I have not read the manga in a long time. But I'm confident in the rest.
2. Historia seemed to be moving forward with the plan to give birth to people to inherit the titan/keep the royal blood going, which was one of Paradis' main proposals. So she started giving birth.
3. Eren isn't a bird. The manga doesn't say this anywhere. The bird thing has become a huge meme, but it is most likely just symbolism. There is no good reason to believe Eren is a bird.
4. The problem with this is that Eren is murdering tons of innocent people outside the walls that have absolutely nothing to do with whats going on. Children, pregnant women, random nations of people, etc. Tons of those people aren't "monsters." So the quote doesn't apply here whatsoever.
5. This is something I don't understand people saying. She didn't have stockholm syndrome. Ymir lived most of her life as a slave and that became literally her mentality. She wanted to be loved, desperately so, since she felt like no one had loved her any longer. By this point, she was desperately seeking affection and love and tried to turn to King Fritz for it. It's not supposed to be a good thing. It's because she has a warped sense of love and is desperate to be cared about by someone.
6. My interpretation is that the tree and a kid approaching it is supposed to represent the neverending cyclical nature of hatred/war in humanity. The cycle of hatred. It definitely seems to show that as long as humans exist, there will always be fighting and conflict. This is most likely the meaning of the extra pages. Eren was not right, he was going to murder millions upon millions of completely innocent people. Besides, Eren's main focus was achieving his childish sense of freedom described in Armin's book.
@@red.4712 thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions! And yeah, as an ending hater I fully disown all of the crack pots making death threats. I do have some further questions though if you don’t mind further indulging me.
1. Yeah, this was just plain weird to me.
2. I understand what you’re saying here, I guess I just hate that she’s having kids due to an obligation and with someone she obviously doesn’t love. Now she does obviously love her kid, but the husband circumstance rubs me wrong.
3. I mean, Eren did say he’d wrap her scarf around her as many times as she wants and the only next time that happens is with a bird at Erens grave. Sure, maybe it’s just coincidence but it had to be shown at that point for some reason right?
4. I think I agree with you here.
5. I understand your interpretation for sure. My issues are that what you’re saying (if true) isn’t spelled out at all. And how do her feelings towards Fritz translate to Mikasa and Eren in the slightest? How’s does Mikasa killing Eren end the curse and make Ymir happy?
6. This is probably my biggest disagreement. So what’s the message of the story? Killing innocent people is wrong (I mean, obviously I’m saying Eren was “good” for doing the rumbling), AND Armin failed in making a better future for everyone in the aftermath of the rumbling? So we should not bother doing anything because at the end of the day the cycle of violence can never be stopped as long as more than 1 person is alive on the whole planet? I’m fine with Eren being killed and being stopped because what he’s doing is terrible. But Armin should’ve at least been able to make it all worth it in the end.
@@graysenm1320 I feel ya man, but that's not even scratching the surface. There's so much in the story that's just done poorly to the point of hilarity, I can't see how anyone would like it unless they haven't read as much better written stuff or just coped way too much. From the moment Eren talked to his dad back in time the story already had to be going down a narrow path, and by not having the deal with time travel be through parallel worlds instead of nonsensical paradox-riddled slave to fate closed loop timeline garbage, the story was made obsolete. From the point where it was confirmed that yes indeed many of his core motivation that carried meaning (like parents betting killed) and so much more were made into a plot device for a closed loop that can never make sense unless you explain your shit extremely well. And even then I'd be skeptical! Naturally, even this alien thing deliberately wasn't explained, much less how any of the fucking mechanics of the world work to try and make sense out of it all. When you make stories about "fate vs free will" like this you have to separate the two very clearly. And when you even suggest that one of the only reasons people still care for your story (and most of the stories in general), your characters, into non-characters, making your main character suddenly have no agency for the entirety of your story, stripping away their character in the first place (leaving them as a plot device), you better make sure that you do it SO well or turn it around so nice that you can win over the readers and not throw it all in the garbage. It's super risky and not worth it a lot of the times. There's so much wrong in the ending besides that whole bs to list on top of that: Mikasa being a bland plot device instead of being a properly developed character (same with Historia and Ymir), Armin bs being entirely unrealistic the whole way through, and that's only what comes to mind first. All of the potential greatness with revenge plots/character redemption arcs with Eren/Ymir went to shit and the point of the story by the end was completely shallow while pretending it's deep. The original ending was so absurdly idealistic in the worst ways. Isayama and his famously ending changes from his original plan due to watching GotG were executed like a wet fart. If he was going for the more hopeful and meaningful situation, despite Eren and potentially many others dying, he could've done it so much better. And in fact, it's so easy, you can probably think of a better ending yourself. It's no wonder there are so many alternative ending chapters/solutions after the story ended for poorly. Just for fun, around the time ending shitstorm was going on, I myself decided to think how I would've taken the direction of the story to prove to myself I could do it and address many of the issues I had, and it was super easy to at least outline a better version that's not a simple chapter 139 redo as the other fan-endings were offering. The original ending was so obviously going to turn out meaningless with the island destroyed by not wiping the rest of the planet out but it kept up the false hope. The extra chapters brought it down to earth into a believable realism again for a little bit, but in the end did much wrong. Among other stuff I won't get into here, it confirmed the ideas of Floch and all the people who fought for the island and their people (however ruthlessly) being in their own way correct all along. And the overall meaninglessness of the story was even more apparent than after the original final chapter. As much as some people get accused of being Floch dick-riders, some just don't understand that the point/perspective "Eren" represented stopped counting once you realize he had no free will in the first place. Bringing up Floch as another leading figure alongside Eren's fake perspective of defending his home to make arguments for due to Floch being the only one left after Eren got his character assassinated. It was so one-sided the whole way through when the AoT Avengers chapters were in full swing and Eren's perspective wasn't executed well at all after that much anticipation as it turns out the is no POV we were led to believe in and it was opted out for slave to fate bullshit that makes none of the actions the main character made up until this point coherent in the least. Just because you had to kill other innocent people to do right by your innocent people doesn't make Floch more wrong than the people who were trying to exterminate their innocent people in this absurd situation if it's all meaningless in the end anyway. War is always hell, you cannot avoid any of that. This was always a war of perspective and Isayama could've handled it in a mature, realistic way, acknowledging and accepting that in a war you need to become ruthless and calculating in order to win or/and survive for the sake of your humanity, even if in the end you will lose it. You cannot sugarcoat it like that when you go for the level of realism AoT wanted to go for in this final war arc. Cycle of war/violence isn't remarkable by itself, it needs characters. The fact that the conflict will always continue forever in a cycle does not matter as much as the questions like "what do you in a war", "what/who will you focus on during it" or/and "what can you do to try and stop it anyway?" You need to make SOMETHING out of it, but the time travel bullshit undermined it all. War is about humanity struggling with a lot of stuff, yet Eren was inhuman to participate in this thematic discussion because he's got no free will and is a walking paradox. A tool to make this meaningless story happen, as it turns out. Everyone in the war that at least had something to fight for were more meaningful in going to war with an least a drive to protect someone they hold dear instead of someone like Eren watching and "acting" out his role while he knows the past, present and future and apparently can interact with the past without breaking cause and effect... while also being a slave to fate and not able to do anything? If Eren could not change anything and is a slave to fate despite being able to change everything through the titans, then how the fuck does his setup/plan with his friends defeating him even possible? In theory, there are ways of fixing it like actually explaining how the alien parasite was something that exists outside of the universe's laws that could make all of this nonsensical bullshit possible with explaining in detail how the laws of this fictional universe work differently from our own in such way where it would be making sense, but Isayama couldn't think that far as a way out of that corner he wrote himself into. You cannot have a character-driven story pull this bullshit without explaining anything. And so the story stopped being character-driven at the end, the lack of proper care for the characters shows that. The theme of "war/violence bad" among other thing shouldn't really be too hard to make good, but Isayama fucked it up so bad it's astounding. As much as the people can feel it's sad for the author apologizing or feeling bad by the story or the ending they wrote, sometimes it's necessary. There were times when great manga would not have been made as good without someone else to keep some amount of the author's eccentricity in check, we know that. Editors can often fuck up the story just as much as the author himself would without them. We can only cope the anime will do it extremely well instead of keeping this rushed-to-death ending and trying to improve on it in ways too small to make a difference. But even if it won't do that, it will at least be hilarious to see.
Man looking back NOTHING about aot and its experience was normal. Seeing the community change over the years and how it turned out in the end (in my oppinion fucking awful) was super interesting. Its like a giant social experiment. As someone who really disliked the ending I was almost instantly banned from even being allowed to be part of the fandom. Loosing hundreds of followers on my social media for just stating my oppinion, getting death threads from shippers even though I was never even talking about ships in the first place (idgaf about ships) People calling me a fake fan even though ive been a huge fan and heavily involved in the fandom for years. The scariest thing was when someone found my private (personal) social media and sent creepy messages to my FRIENDS AND FAMILY in my name. THIS SHIT WAS ROUGH.
Like I didnt know people could even be like this xd. It all changed so quickly and out of nowhere so I just left. I am still healing to this day and I have like a love/hate relationship with aot now because I really do love everything exept the ending but the more I think about the ending the worse it gets idk.
Great video
It's understandable to want to step away from a series if you think its going to be stressful to cover. But its like you said in this video about the author. "If you start writing your story based on what the audience wants, then you're not writing it, the audience is." Same can be said about your videos. Make what you want to make! Talk about what you walk to talk about. If a bunch of people who aren't capable of having a normal conversation dictate what you make , that seems unfair. I totally get what you're saying though. It ultimately might not be worth the effort.
I think this is my first time back on your channel since you put out your review for the final chapter and series as a whole. I have to say firstly that my opinion on the ending remains largely unchanged, there are elements I was fine with and those I weren't and generally felt the ending was average. While watching this video here though (half way through as I type this) I am glad you made this video because I've felt this has been needed since the manga ended for sure. I remember coming to your channel every time a new chapter dropped to watch your review videos, also engaging in discord servers and other comment sections here on YT, the pure excitement and joy those moments brought me.
Then I remember reading the final chapter and I remember still kind of processing it and going back and re-reading certain panels over and over again until I had really processed everything. That usual excitement and anticipation of the conversations to come was still there and when I went looking to discuss and engage in the discussion all I found was what could only be described, in my eyes at least, a microcosm of the warring world in Attack On Titan itself. I handled this badly myself and kind of leaned into the camp that "liked" the ending, mostly because I had no overt issues that made me feel the entire narrative prior was undermined. This of course did nothing but to fan the flames and I quickly realized my flaw and just shut down, basically not engaging in any discourse about the series as much as I could.
I really am hopeful that when anime onlies see the ending animated that they respond better than the manga community did. The was a kind of black hole that was created by the kind of war of opinions on the ending of the series among the manga readers and so it is like we never got to have that true feeling we had gotten all series at the very end and you don't get those moments back. The time to have good civil discourse and talk about it for all its strengths and flaws was when it ended. Anyway I feel like I am rambling here and want to finish hearing what you have to say, always loved your AOT content my guy and you were the only review I watched of chapter 139 after all the chaos had begun.
It's sad that such an amazing story was destroyed by the hate for the ending. I dont know the ending myself. I'm waiting for the show, but I can't imagine that it's so bad that it completely ruins the whole show. The writing is still great, and it's been an amazing story to follow. There still has to be some sort of respect given to the author even if he didn't stick the landing.
Bro it ruins the whole show start to finish if you think about it, that's how bad it is.
It doesn't ruin the whole story. People are extremely dramatic. The ending is very split but the people who hate it are the loudest (this happens with everything though).
@@NissanZaxima It doesn't ruin it but it definitely makes like the last third of the story meaningless.
@@angsa91 to you sure
@@NissanZaxima no it really does. character motivations and several key-events no longer make any sense, things are completely incoherent thanks to that one chapter
it's so bizarrely mismatched and disruptive to the story that came before it that it's far more likely (or at the very least far more coherent to the story and it's own rules) that what's shown to us was actually a memory manipulation using the founding titans power
Ironic a story largely but not wholly about perspective and war had such a decisive response. Just like the story, fan bases can be cruel,
I just wish people would focus on the beauty and show understanding, like you and many others.
Hey man. Wow. Just wanted to say that your videos have come such a long way. I used to watch all your AoT videos, but when you expended into talking about animes that I hadn’t watched, I wasn’t able to enjoy those since I knew next to nothing about them so I quit watching. (I’m glad you expanded though, obviously.)
That said, I saw another AoT from you pop up and immediately went to watch it. Your improvement is dramatic. After a year taken off from your videos, I can see such a strong improvement in the quality of what you make, an I wanted to offer my sincere congratulations. You may not notice the grass growing day by day, but after time you’ve got a field full of wildflowers. After peeking back in on this channel after a year, I see the grass is tall, the flowers are in full bloom, and your content is better than ever. Thank you for your nuanced takes on my favorite story of all time, thank you for the hours and hours of free thought provoking content, and good luck with your channel wherever you take it in the future.
And I thought the MHA and One Punch Man fanbase was toxic. Attack on Titan is great, Sufferents your great. I'm sorry you can't make content without being attacked.
you’re my fave anime youtuber rn absolutely love your discussions
yea idk about it going both ways. the group of people that now hate the ending so vehemently ruined my and so many others experience in the fandom for the last 1.5-2 years of the manga serializing. they were so hateful and mean (still are), it really can’t be underestimated. it’s been almost 2 years since it’s ended and these people are still at it trying to push their agendas that have been proven false 10x over. i don’t think loving a story can/should be equated to hating it when it comes to passion and the fandom
AoE hopechads rise up.