@@rustler08 I work too bro, what lol. The X3D chips are always objectively better in nearly every use case. Yeah the TDPs are lower on the regular chips but who cares about 20W? Gimme that cache, not buying your test/beta product, sorry.
@@ChrisVang93 Q4 24 or Q1 25. Not anytime soon tho. If u want an upgrade, 9950X is fine too, don't wait till at least october if u really need an upgrade.
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Love how you were joking/not joking during yesterday's Tech News. Monday it is, Ryzen 9000 (info) we have!
@@akmarksman That's what annoys me the most, even when the USB-IF says that companies should use the marketing names for USB (Hi-Speed USB, USB 5Gpbs, USB 10Gpbs, USB 20Gpbs, USB 40Gpbs, USB 80Gpbs), companies still use the stupid mode names.
@@appalacha7278 I’m referring to not randomly crashing, we have no idea what the chip will do. And I would really hope it’s better than 14th gen considering it’s a rebrand of a rebrand of 12th gen. Arrow Lake right around the corner though and they’re crushing their power draw, not sure it’ll be so certain then.
I can't wait! I work at a research institution focusing on industry applied IT-technology and it has completely taken over everything we do. It's soul crushing. Really looking forward to my contract expiring in a few months and searching for a job as far away from this cancer as I can get.
@@madarab Sure, by a tiny amount, but you have buy an entire new mobo and RAM to use them. You can slot a 5700X3D/5800X3D into a 4 year old system and immediately get a big FPS average bump in performance in modern games. It's $200 more for the cheapest 7600+B650 mobo+32GB RAM combo than it is for a 5700X3D. That's 90% of the performance for half the price and you don't even have to disassemble your whole system to get it. And if you already have a 5800X3D, the need to upgrade is pretty low at this point. Even if you unrealistically slap a 4090 into your 5800X3D system (like I did), it will give you silky smooth 60+ FPS gameplay in any game you throw at it with every graphic option turned on. The 1080p charts on the latest Hardware Unboxed charts show 140fps, which for most people definitely qualifies as "amazing" for a chip that's now over 2 years old and slots into a system that's more than twice that age.
@@pedro.alcatra CPU doesn't care about resolution and actually lower resolution will be more difficult as you need to push higher framerates. It's CPU companies which market them like you need high end for 4K while its opposite. For competitive 1080p 240hz gaming, you'd benefit more rather than 4K 60.
I'm probably gonna ride my 5600 until AM6. I'm tempted to get a 5700X3D, but if I'm already spending $200, I'd rather just put it toward a new platform.
Just upgraded my 3600X to a 5700X3D - the cost of a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM all it once was just too steep considering the uplift I'm getting from this CPU upgrade, and 5000 series should certainly still have some legs. I don't know if I'll hold out to AM6, I am a hardware enthusiast and AM5 has some new hardware I want to play with lol, but I'm sure it'll get me there if I want to stretch it that far.
I just bought a 7950x3d and I should be hoping mad!😠… but I am new to AMD and no biggie as I can swap out the cpu later without swapping ram and board 😁. Thanks AMD as I would be screwed if I went Intel
7950x3D is a beast, bro. Welcome to the AMD family. I built around a 7950x. Nearly two years later, it's still going strong. But I need to blow money somehow, so I'm eying memory....so I can run Chrome... Joking aside, it's hard for me to think how a 9950x will make a difference for me. I'd probably get as much, or more of a boost by uninstalling a bunch of crap that I've installed in the name of "tweaking". Or I can get double the boost by uninstalling AND buying a 9950x!!! Yayy!! I found a way to justify it!!!
I've got a 5950x, 7950x (and more). In a blind test, I'm not sure I could tell the difference between them, gaming included. Obviously, there will be a bigger jump up to a 9950x, but if the 5950x is doing what you need, then buying something else isn't an "upgrade". In my case, it's often just an excuse to buy new stuff and I always figure out a way to justify it to myself.
@@IanSinclair77 This is one thing that reviews miss, percentage differences in FPS is great and all - but turn all of the numbers off and tell me how one 'feels' compared to the other. Yea, it's subjective, that's why you also measure it objectively; but the subjective is still very relevant info. Especially when we're so deep into diminishing returns in a lot of areas these days. I mean, I guess Intel has the right idea comparing web browser and Excel performance("common everyday applications"), but we haven't actually seen performance differences in those areas that you could actually feel as a user for probably a decade now.
Nice to see them supporting this socket for so long as well. If the 9800x3d actually gets full overclocking support I'll probably get that. Although I would love to see them redesign the infinity fabric with maybe a silicon interposer
14:12 - "Socket AM4: Nearly 9 years of new products" Well, I didn't need to feel old, but now it's been almost a decade since I got back into computers...
On X670E platform with Ryzen 7950X3D or any 7000x Ryzen. The Sweet Spot is DDR5-6000. And only single rank is allowed if you want to fill all your ram slots. However NO RAM markets itself as Single Rank or Dual Rank. In other words, my motherboard has four slots for ram. DDR5 DDR5 allows for 32 gigs per stick well I wanna put four sticks in my system fill up every slot that will give me the maximum amount of ram. 128 gigs. But no wait there's a special thing for DDR5 some DDR5 memory now can do 48 gigs per stick for a total of 192 gigs, so why wouldn't I wanna do that, why would there be such a super flaw, that you wouldn't be able to run DDR5-6000 the sweet spot with 192 gigs of ram. I want all the ram, so yeah it's great that the X870E is going to support DDR5-8000 , but that's not my concern, my interest is, can I Please MAX out the ******* ram on my motherboard.?.!. Annoyed emoji
Ill wait one more year before buying a new cpu so I can see all the results from amd and intel. I’ll definitely upgrade my gpu with nvidia’s 5000 series asap.
AI programmers, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going to be super layman about this, but the NPU is basically just a matrix math calculator, yes? As in that's what it's designed to be highly specialized for? And AI... models... involve lots and lots of such math? Could one therefore be put to use for matrix calculation purposes that have nothing to do with AI? Otherwise, if I'm just completely misunderstanding everything, let me know, because it honestly kind of feels like I am.
The curve shaper actually excites me. I've never been able to get curve optimizer to work properly with PBO because VDroop when idle would cause very strong instability and crashes. Being able to have idle voltages higher and loaded voltages with a more aggressive undervolt is tantalizing.
now we wait for an unbox video for each cpu, then a apply thermal paste video, then a build video, then a first power on video, then a demo video with no numbers, then maybe a review
There is better out there but indeed when you buy top 10 processors you can't feel bad about it. It is all in the details. That is why I don't get it that some make such a war between Intel and AMD. They are close competitors with both their advantages.
Of course there is better, even when 5900x came out, but that's kinda the point, I've had a q9550 for 8 years, later 2600k for 7 years and since 2020 my first ryzen ever (Zen 3) best thing i had and intend to keep it until it dies! Can do whatever I need still for couple more years
i love that 9700x is faster than 5800 xdx even tho its still 65w here in Poland electicity prices are higher than in germany by 30% while avarage wage is waaaaay lower
2:39 It’s not a valid comparison because the L3 cache is doubled between the 7700x and the 9950x. If they had compared a 7950x to a 9950x, the caches would have been the same. This difference is meaningful because reducing cache misses directly improves IPC.
@@lucasrem L1 and L2 are “per-core” caches, which is why I didn’t mention them. For L1 and L2, adding more cores doesn’t give any individual core more cache space. L3 is different because it is shared by all cores.
October or so was Intel new release. It is gonna be exciting. Intel will be faster because HT is slower than the E cores. When they stop HT, less heat is produced so the E and P cores can go up in frequency. My money is on Intel being the fastest later on, but for sure it is good for the consumers that they are nicely in battle with each other. You get more performance then for your money no matter which brand processor you choose.
No, as the dies need to have enabled all the cores (8 per thingy), the 9950 always gets two of the best from the wafer (also as it needs to run the highest clockspeed of the lot). The poorer ones go into the 9900X and 9700X.
Good to know the 7900x3d I got on prime day for $300 is still great lol. As soon as I saw that they were comparing to the 5800x3d I knew I'd be fine and happy.
For gaming, all these top processors are as good. I run a 13700K, turned Hyperthreading off, so have only 8 P cores and 8 E cores (same setup as 5800X3D). That way it can be overclocked even more (and E cores run faster than SMT or HT), I run it at 5800mhz and 4400mhz. That is very very good in any game. 99 out of 100 the graphics card is the limit anyway.
Didn't know there where new cpus coming out soon, im putting together my first build and was gunna go with a 7800x3d but I think I'll wait and see what the prices are on these new ones when they drop
I am still tempted by the x670e on clearance right now. Coming from z170 with 6700k I feel like jumping on sales with x670e and 7000 series chips. Still a part of me thinks wait a few more months. Only issue is I have a rx6800 sitting in a box I got on a huge clearance sale that I don't want to bottleneck in an old system.
It depend on how much you need to upgrade. I would wait for the X3D counterparts of the 9000 series, in order to get lower prices, if I did need to upgrade. Also, unless you are going to get a 4090 or something next-gen, around that GPU, you could simply upgrade to the 5800X3D as well. At the end, it's all about your budget, what you need and make a balanced build.
@@Troynex True but since he has a 3600 ( so he already got ddr4 RAM and AM4 mobo ), he can just upgrade to the 5800X3D/5700X3D and save way more money that in the future, he can use for a 9800X3D. This when, eventually, he will need to upgrade further, once the gen after the 9000 and they'r X3D counterparts, will be on the market. That in order to get a 9800X3D at better prices. However 7800X3D is another good choose too. At the end, it depend on his budget and what he is looking for.
6:11 Here is a question. The first M.2 and the x16 PCIe slot uses PCIe buss provided by the CPU. If you look at a few cards from ASRock such as the ASRock B650 Steel Legend WIFI they use the B8650 chipset, not the E version, and have the first x16 PCIe slot running at PCIe V5.0 and the fist M.2 slot running at x4 PCIe V5.0. This is interesting as AMD says the B650 only supports PCIe V4.0 and lower for the first PCIe X16 slot and the x4 PCIe M.2 slot. So why does AMD say the B850 chipset will not support PCIe V5.0? This keeps bugging me ever since AMD started saying the chipset would somehow dictate what PCIe version the slot that runs directly on the bus from the CPU would support. As far as I can see the PCIe version support should only be depending on the trace pathing and there fore signal integrity of the motherboard. Apparently ASRock has solved that with the B650 chipset, so why shouldn't they be able to do that using the B850? Thoughts on this?
The problem with the NPUs in these chips is that they most likely can't compete with even a RTX 2060 in compute power. That's why they aren't bothering wasting die space on the desktop chips with it - whatever modern GPU you are buying to pair with your Ryzen 9000 desktop chip, it's going to do better at Stable Diffusion than XDNA in the "AI 300".
How many of us in the comments truly understand the NPU chart talking about Model Size and Frequency of Inference? And I mean understand what Model Size actually is and what Inference is.
I don’t know a single person who would be interested in AI. It would be better if they dropped a splash of thermal paste on the place of these computing units. or simply didn’t spend money on development and made the processors a couple of dollars cheaper
AMD comes out with a new chip, breaks some record for a short period of time. One of two months later, Intel comes out with their new chip and overrun the leaderboard again. Same old story every freaking CPU generation. I want to see AMD actually hold its own top spot on one of the leaderboards for at least a generation.
I’ll wait to see the reviews. I got burnt by the OC records set by the first-gen Bulldozers. Great OC settings, but it was slower than the previous-gen Phenoms.
11:30 . . . to all you MSI, ASUS and Gigabyte(me) motherboard fanbois out there . . . AMD USES ASROCK MOTHERBOARDS. I am telling you all, Asrock is on the rise. They had some bad stuff going on _Eight Years Ago_ , but have since made incredible strides in improving their products. And AMD themselves have noticed. . . I'd also like to ask Paul, why no 700 series chipsets? Why did they jump straight to 800? . . regardless, thank you, Paul, for presenting this in such easy to understand language.
The AI demos that people choose are really strange to me. Why are we making images 3D, when we could make it appear your looking directly into the camera on a zoom call? Why aren't we demoing using AI to reduce video bandwidth? I think people would be much more interested in AI if it was used for practical applications rather than unfocused generation.
The 9950x is a big deal. Its on the level of AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1GHZ when it came out.... it just kind of whooped down on everything Intel related...The 9950x is sending a statement.
I know it's probably too early and/or you can't say anything because of NDAs, but was there any talk about the 9000X3D chips? Specifically, on the higher-end ones like the 9900 and 9950 where I'm guessing they're still dual-CCD like the 7900 and 7950, will they have cache spread over both sides this time, or just one side like the 7000 chips? Didn't that cause problems at first, or am I misremembering things? Lol.
@@Riyozsuand some x670e already had usb 4 like asrock’s boards. And with how overkill some of asrocks boards are there is prob no reason to upgrade unless you have new toy syndrome (or want the debug led/screen in a non stupid position)
Since AMD is going to continue to support the AM4 Socket, maybe we'll see G SKU's for the 5800, 5900, and the 5950. I would more than LOVE to see the Ryzen 9 5950G for like $400 MSRP.
@@azomiss I still think AMD will do a 5900G and a 5950G, but with a 90 watt TDP and not 105 watts. Just imagine a 12 core, 24 thread, or a 16 core, 32 thread CPU with integrated graphics. Only AMD can outdo AMD.
5800X3D aged so well. what a great chip for gaming and general PC use
No it didn't, it is 10% faster at 1440p than 5800x with a 4090 lol
@@madarab my man just wanna hate
@@madarab ratio tells the truth
@@madarab You live under power lines as a kid?
@@madaraband that 10% difference made it better or equal to ryzen 7800x non 3d...
It's so hard to get excited for these with gaming when you know the X3D chips are coming.
Yeah, it's kind of weird that way, because X3D makes such a big difference with gaming.
It's because you're not the target audience. This is for people that do work.
@@rustler08 I work too bro, what lol. The X3D chips are always objectively better in nearly every use case. Yeah the TDPs are lower on the regular chips but who cares about 20W? Gimme that cache, not buying your test/beta product, sorry.
Do you know when the new x3d chips are going to come out? I’m thinking about building a new rig so I was jw
@@ChrisVang93 Q4 24 or Q1 25.
Not anytime soon tho. If u want an upgrade, 9950X is fine too, don't wait till at least october if u really need an upgrade.
Love how you were joking/not joking during yesterday's Tech News.
Monday it is, Ryzen 9000 (info) we have!
how the hell do you have an "Unnamed" channel?
I caught that too!
YES! USB 4 as default!
but is it USB4 Type 4 Gen 4 4.0 or 4.1? ( I really wish whoever decides on USB naming would not have come from a company that makes monitors, LOL)
@@akmarksman That's what annoys me the most, even when the USB-IF says that companies should use the marketing names for USB (Hi-Speed USB, USB 5Gpbs, USB 10Gpbs, USB 20Gpbs, USB 40Gpbs, USB 80Gpbs), companies still use the stupid mode names.
@@FastSloth87 Marketing tends to be revision numbers, ports are labeled in speeds, and manuals include both. It's a mess. A dumb, avoidable mess.
12:01 Steve can't help it when the LN2 comes out.
Helium is better
@@lucasrem colder isn't necessarily better. otherwise there wouldn't be much of an art to LN overclocking
Thanks, Steve
Biggest news is 15% thermal resistance improvement. Finally I can let my cpu fans rest at idle
Breaking records... Shattering my savings.
Great summary of the show Paul. Very informative and concise! Thanks!
Better than the 14900K and it won't randomly crash on you like Intel chips 👍
And power consumption is actually... reasonable even under stupid amounts of load.
It’s not even out yet…
@@DreadyBearBoi benchmarks are
@@appalacha7278 I’m referring to not randomly crashing, we have no idea what the chip will do. And I would really hope it’s better than 14th gen considering it’s a rebrand of a rebrand of 12th gen. Arrow Lake right around the corner though and they’re crushing their power draw, not sure it’ll be so certain then.
The sooner the AI bubble bursts and the tech industry stops overhyping it the better, I think most are very tired of it by now...
I can't wait!
I work at a research institution focusing on industry applied IT-technology and it has completely taken over everything we do. It's soul crushing.
Really looking forward to my contract expiring in a few months and searching for a job as far away from this cancer as I can get.
The 10-20 minute ads pushing AI make me NOT want it.
Trouble is there'll just be another bubble afterwards.
Brain washing for the masses
Exactly. The AI bubble will just move into another bubble.
5800x3d really is an amazing chip.
That’s what I was thinking, those benchmarks pretty much told me there’s no reason to upgrade for a while lol.
Skipped 5800x3d, but I’m sticking to my 7800x3d for the next 10 years
It is slower than 7600x and 12xxx Intel i5 so no.
@@TheFightConnoisseurI have ryzen 7800X3D and See no Point for a Upgrade
@@madarab Sure, by a tiny amount, but you have buy an entire new mobo and RAM to use them. You can slot a 5700X3D/5800X3D into a 4 year old system and immediately get a big FPS average bump in performance in modern games.
It's $200 more for the cheapest 7600+B650 mobo+32GB RAM combo than it is for a 5700X3D. That's 90% of the performance for half the price and you don't even have to disassemble your whole system to get it.
And if you already have a 5800X3D, the need to upgrade is pretty low at this point. Even if you unrealistically slap a 4090 into your 5800X3D system (like I did), it will give you silky smooth 60+ FPS gameplay in any game you throw at it with every graphic option turned on. The 1080p charts on the latest Hardware Unboxed charts show 140fps, which for most people definitely qualifies as "amazing" for a chip that's now over 2 years old and slots into a system that's more than twice that age.
5800x3D is AMD's GTX 1080Ti moment, still performing well.
Depending on the games you're playing, the 5800x3D will be valid for 5-7 years zero problems !
At 1080p? Of course it is.....
1080 lol come on man 😂😂😂
@@pedro.alcatra CPU doesn't care about resolution and actually lower resolution will be more difficult as you need to push higher framerates.
It's CPU companies which market them like you need high end for 4K while its opposite. For competitive 1080p 240hz gaming, you'd benefit more rather than 4K 60.
Waiting for the 9900k vs 9900x benchmarks. :P
I'm probably gonna ride my 5600 until AM6. I'm tempted to get a 5700X3D, but if I'm already spending $200, I'd rather just put it toward a new platform.
I've been debating the same thing 😅
Just upgraded my 3600X to a 5700X3D - the cost of a new motherboard, CPU, and RAM all it once was just too steep considering the uplift I'm getting from this CPU upgrade, and 5000 series should certainly still have some legs. I don't know if I'll hold out to AM6, I am a hardware enthusiast and AM5 has some new hardware I want to play with lol, but I'm sure it'll get me there if I want to stretch it that far.
I just bought a 7950x3d and I should be hoping mad!😠… but I am new to AMD and no biggie as I can swap out the cpu later without swapping ram and board 😁. Thanks AMD as I would be screwed if I went Intel
7950x3D is a beast, bro. Welcome to the AMD family.
I built around a 7950x. Nearly two years later, it's still going strong.
But I need to blow money somehow, so I'm eying memory....so I can run Chrome...
Joking aside, it's hard for me to think how a 9950x will make a difference for me. I'd probably get as much, or more of a boost by uninstalling a bunch of crap that I've installed in the name of "tweaking".
Or I can get double the boost by uninstalling AND buying a 9950x!!! Yayy!! I found a way to justify it!!!
7950X3d is still a REALLY nice processor
Hey man, that's a really good processor
Was gonna say prolly should wait till ryzen 11000 if you have a 7950x
Please test the 9950x with the 5950x if you have one. There could be a lot of people undecided about upgrading to AM5 and DDR5 until now. Thanks!
I've got a 5950x, 7950x (and more). In a blind test, I'm not sure I could tell the difference between them, gaming included.
Obviously, there will be a bigger jump up to a 9950x, but if the 5950x is doing what you need, then buying something else isn't an "upgrade". In my case, it's often just an excuse to buy new stuff and I always figure out a way to justify it to myself.
I have the 5950x too, I’m upgrading to 9950x along with the new motherboards.
@@walker193356 I am looking forward to hearing about the improvements on that upgrade. Same thoughts here with my 5950X....
@IanSinclair77 Then you have my 9700k trying to cause a meltdown in 99 degree weather by going 100% in most of my games now 💀💀
@@IanSinclair77 This is one thing that reviews miss, percentage differences in FPS is great and all - but turn all of the numbers off and tell me how one 'feels' compared to the other. Yea, it's subjective, that's why you also measure it objectively; but the subjective is still very relevant info. Especially when we're so deep into diminishing returns in a lot of areas these days. I mean, I guess Intel has the right idea comparing web browser and Excel performance("common everyday applications"), but we haven't actually seen performance differences in those areas that you could actually feel as a user for probably a decade now.
Paul coming in clutch! 💪
*I MADE MY MIND ..... My new CPU will be the RYZEN 9700X !!!*
Can't wait to buy it, incl. 32Gb DDR5 & an AM5 board
When X3D?
11:11 “curve” optimizer. I saw what you did there Joe. 👀
Love it, thanks Paul!
ayo the launch date is my birthday leos we in here 😊😊🎂🎂🎂🍰🍰
Nice to see them supporting this socket for so long as well. If the 9800x3d actually gets full overclocking support I'll probably get that. Although I would love to see them redesign the infinity fabric with maybe a silicon interposer
They're not going to, because the 3D V-cache is still too sensitive and most people will destroy their CPU trying to mess with it.
@@rustler08 they can just limit the voltage in bios and it will be fine. Overclocking already voids warranty.
14:12 - "Socket AM4: Nearly 9 years of new products"
Well, I didn't need to feel old, but now it's been almost a decade since I got back into computers...
I guess I am holding onto my 7800X3D
Me too.
There's no real reason for you to upgrade in the first place.
@@AbsoleteAim do you think for the Next years the 7800x3d is strong enough?
@@Troynex Should be good for a few years minimum.
@@AbsoleteAim I want to Build a new pc. Should I wait for new ryzen 9700X or is a ryzen 7800X3D on sale a better deal? Thank!
On X670E platform with Ryzen 7950X3D or any 7000x Ryzen. The Sweet Spot is DDR5-6000. And only single rank is allowed if you want to fill all your ram slots. However NO RAM markets itself as Single Rank or Dual Rank. In other words, my motherboard has four slots for ram. DDR5 DDR5 allows for 32 gigs per stick well I wanna put four sticks in my system fill up every slot that will give me the maximum amount of ram. 128 gigs. But no wait there's a special thing for DDR5 some DDR5 memory now can do 48 gigs per stick for a total of 192 gigs, so why wouldn't I wanna do that, why would there be such a super flaw, that you wouldn't be able to run DDR5-6000 the sweet spot with 192 gigs of ram. I want all the ram, so yeah it's great that the X870E is going to support DDR5-8000 , but that's not my concern, my interest is, can I Please MAX out the ******* ram on my motherboard.?.!. Annoyed emoji
16 chiplets….
Holy Cow! (Or is that a sacred cow?)
0:02 He is Erdi... 🎉
Ill wait one more year before buying a new cpu so I can see all the results from amd and intel. I’ll definitely upgrade my gpu with nvidia’s 5000 series asap.
At this point, all AMD has to do is make sure the 9900x and 9950x chips just keeps working and not blue screening. Lol.
AI programmers, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going to be super layman about this, but the NPU is basically just a matrix math calculator, yes? As in that's what it's designed to be highly specialized for? And AI... models... involve lots and lots of such math? Could one therefore be put to use for matrix calculation purposes that have nothing to do with AI?
Otherwise, if I'm just completely misunderstanding everything, let me know, because it honestly kind of feels like I am.
Thanks for the insights man, ill be upgrading from a 3700x.
wonder what userbenchmark is gonna say about this one
He is having a stroke about the whole intel mess.
@@Audiosan79 Userbenchmark - A Pentium 3 is better since it's tried and tested by -father- mother time.
Can’t wait for the 9800x3d
0:04 you mean Paris? According to Wendell and Dr. Ian Cutress at least.
The curve shaper actually excites me. I've never been able to get curve optimizer to work properly with PBO because VDroop when idle would cause very strong instability and crashes. Being able to have idle voltages higher and loaded voltages with a more aggressive undervolt is tantalizing.
now we wait for an unbox video for each cpu, then a apply thermal paste video, then a build video, then a first power on video, then a demo video with no numbers, then maybe a review
i need a skip AI button
...maybe the REAL ai we need, is an ai system to automatically skip past ads in videos?
gonna wait for the x870e boards
same but dam i hope they dont take ages
Supposedly x670e and x870e are identical, usb 4 is default on 870 instead of optional.
Got a 5900x in 2020, best thing I ever did so far
There is better out there but indeed when you buy top 10 processors you can't feel bad about it. It is all in the details. That is why I don't get it that some make such a war between Intel and AMD. They are close competitors with both their advantages.
Of course there is better, even when 5900x came out, but that's kinda the point, I've had a q9550 for 8 years, later 2600k for 7 years and since 2020 my first ryzen ever (Zen 3) best thing i had and intend to keep it until it dies! Can do whatever I need still for couple more years
i love that 9700x is faster than 5800 xdx even tho its still 65w here in Poland electicity prices are higher than in germany by 30% while avarage wage is waaaaay lower
2:39 It’s not a valid comparison because the L3 cache is doubled between the 7700x and the 9950x. If they had compared a 7950x to a 9950x, the caches would have been the same. This difference is meaningful because reducing cache misses directly improves IPC.
The cash is included in the design, more cores and more cash
@@lucasrem L1 and L2 are “per-core” caches, which is why I didn’t mention them. For L1 and L2, adding more cores doesn’t give any individual core more cache space. L3 is different because it is shared by all cores.
Thanks
Cannot wait to see the new generation AMD/Intel CPUs head-to-head local performance benchmark.
October or so was Intel new release. It is gonna be exciting. Intel will be faster because HT is slower than the E cores. When they stop HT, less heat is produced so the E and P cores can go up in frequency. My money is on Intel being the fastest later on, but for sure it is good for the consumers that they are nicely in battle with each other. You get more performance then for your money no matter which brand processor you choose.
The 3D monitor you can kinda see the 3D bit a little in specific angles
The high power on the 9950x tells us that one of the dies will be poorly binned.
No, as the dies need to have enabled all the cores (8 per thingy), the 9950 always gets two of the best from the wafer (also as it needs to run the highest clockspeed of the lot). The poorer ones go into the 9900X and 9700X.
Good to know the 7900x3d I got on prime day for $300 is still great lol. As soon as I saw that they were comparing to the 5800x3d I knew I'd be fine and happy.
For gaming, all these top processors are as good. I run a 13700K, turned Hyperthreading off, so have only 8 P cores and 8 E cores (same setup as 5800X3D). That way it can be overclocked even more (and E cores run faster than SMT or HT), I run it at 5800mhz and 4400mhz. That is very very good in any game. 99 out of 100 the graphics card is the limit anyway.
@@jankees4037 luckily I'm still running my launch day ref XFX 7900XT. I doubt I'll buy the next gen GPUs tbh. Not unless it's 40%+ better lol
I will stick with the 5800X3D ! Awesome CPU !
I'm hoping to see those Strix Point SOCs go into a Steam Deck 2 (and for Valve to finally release the Steam Deck into Australia!!)
Didn't know there where new cpus coming out soon, im putting together my first build and was gunna go with a 7800x3d but I think I'll wait and see what the prices are on these new ones when they drop
who would have thought, the latest and greatest cpu is breaking records....
I am still tempted by the x670e on clearance right now. Coming from z170 with 6700k I feel like jumping on sales with x670e and 7000 series chips. Still a part of me thinks wait a few more months. Only issue is I have a rx6800 sitting in a box I got on a huge clearance sale that I don't want to bottleneck in an old system.
I'm excited to see a 16cu rdna3 igpu coming this will mean apus you will not need to turn down the resolution below 1080p to get averages over 60fps
I have the 7800X3D and is already too powerfull for my RTX 4070 super 😆
I will have this cpu for long long time.
I spotted a Steve!
Was just about to upgrade from Ryzen 3600 to the 7800X3d. Should I wait to buy the 7800X3d until after the 9000 series comes out later this month?
You’re not going to be CPU bottlenecked with either
If you find a good deal on the 7800X3D then get it
It depend on how much you need to upgrade. I would wait for the X3D counterparts of the 9000 series, in order to get lower prices, if I did need to upgrade. Also, unless you are going to get a 4090 or something next-gen, around that GPU, you could simply upgrade to the 5800X3D as well. At the end, it's all about your budget, what you need and make a balanced build.
@@andreabriganti1226With an ryzen 7800X3D you dont Need the new CPUs. You skip one gen
@@Troynex True but since he has a 3600 ( so he already got ddr4 RAM and AM4 mobo ), he can just upgrade to the 5800X3D/5700X3D and save way more money that in the future, he can use for a 9800X3D. This when, eventually, he will need to upgrade further, once the gen after the 9000 and they'r X3D counterparts, will be on the market. That in order to get a 9800X3D at better prices. However 7800X3D is another good choose too. At the end, it depend on his budget and what he is looking for.
@@andreabriganti1226 would you actually wait or is a ryzen 7800x3d on sale a good deal now?
I just want the 9800X3D as the 9950X might be a little overkill just for a flight simulator PC. Glad I didn't waste my time with first gen AM5
excellent!
6:11 Here is a question. The first M.2 and the x16 PCIe slot uses PCIe buss provided by the CPU. If you look at a few cards from ASRock such as the ASRock B650 Steel Legend WIFI they use the B8650 chipset, not the E version, and have the first x16 PCIe slot running at PCIe V5.0 and the fist M.2 slot running at x4 PCIe V5.0. This is interesting as AMD says the B650 only supports PCIe V4.0 and lower for the first PCIe X16 slot and the x4 PCIe M.2 slot.
So why does AMD say the B850 chipset will not support PCIe V5.0? This keeps bugging me ever since AMD started saying the chipset would somehow dictate what PCIe version the slot that runs directly on the bus from the CPU would support. As far as I can see the PCIe version support should only be depending on the trace pathing and there fore signal integrity of the motherboard. Apparently ASRock has solved that with the B650 chipset, so why shouldn't they be able to do that using the B850?
Thoughts on this?
The problem with the NPUs in these chips is that they most likely can't compete with even a RTX 2060 in compute power. That's why they aren't bothering wasting die space on the desktop chips with it - whatever modern GPU you are buying to pair with your Ryzen 9000 desktop chip, it's going to do better at Stable Diffusion than XDNA in the "AI 300".
Cool vid
Great video. any word on the release date & price for the 5900xt...?
Soooo stoked for this launch
9900x3d 9800x3d I'm coming
There's no hype behind this because everyones waiting for the X3D Zen 5.
I think they will wait for the 9000 series X3D before comparing to 7000 series X3D
How many of us in the comments truly understand the NPU chart talking about Model Size and Frequency of Inference? And I mean understand what Model Size actually is and what Inference is.
I don’t know a single person who would be interested in AI. It would be better if they dropped a splash of thermal paste on the place of these computing units. or simply didn’t spend money on development and made the processors a couple of dollars cheaper
AMD comes out with a new chip, breaks some record for a short period of time. One of two months later, Intel comes out with their new chip and overrun the leaderboard again. Same old story every freaking CPU generation. I want to see AMD actually hold its own top spot on one of the leaderboards for at least a generation.
I just need an alert that lets me know when this will matter in a meaningful way when using a discrete gpu
I’ll wait to see the reviews. I got burnt by the OC records set by the first-gen Bulldozers. Great OC settings, but it was slower than the previous-gen Phenoms.
11:30 . . . to all you MSI, ASUS and Gigabyte(me) motherboard fanbois out there . . . AMD USES ASROCK MOTHERBOARDS.
I am telling you all, Asrock is on the rise. They had some bad stuff going on _Eight Years Ago_ , but have since made incredible strides in improving their products. And AMD themselves have noticed. . . I'd also like to ask Paul, why no 700 series chipsets? Why did they jump straight to 800? . . regardless, thank you, Paul, for presenting this in such easy to understand language.
Any confirmations on price expectations?
especially with prime days tomorrow, should we be waiting 2 weeks if the performance/price payoff is there?
The cache size difference would like to beg to differ when comparing 7700x and 9900x
7-ish absolute waste of silicon, could have put more GPU power in, instead we get crap that corporate governments will use as spyware.
1.8billion extra transistors it better be faster
Excited for these chips to release, minus AI...
I could go for the Acer monitor.
The AI demos that people choose are really strange to me. Why are we making images 3D, when we could make it appear your looking directly into the camera on a zoom call? Why aren't we demoing using AI to reduce video bandwidth? I think people would be much more interested in AI if it was used for practical applications rather than unfocused generation.
The 9950x is a big deal. Its on the level of AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1GHZ when it came out.... it just kind of whooped down on everything Intel related...The 9950x is sending a statement.
Trust me bro! (3D effect was there...)
Happy with my b650e board
7:08 does this mean all the new boards will be able to do two x8 lanes if they have them instead of only a handful like the asus pro art board?
Ill stick on my 7950x i reckon.
I know it's probably too early and/or you can't say anything because of NDAs, but was there any talk about the 9000X3D chips?
Specifically, on the higher-end ones like the 9900 and 9950 where I'm guessing they're still dual-CCD like the 7900 and 7950, will they have cache spread over both sides this time, or just one side like the 7000 chips? Didn't that cause problems at first, or am I misremembering things? Lol.
Nice to see they're not making the x670e obsolete so soon. That was NOT a cheap build.
The only difference between x670e and x870 is usb4
@@Riyozsuand some x670e already had usb 4 like asrock’s boards. And with how overkill some of asrocks boards are there is prob no reason to upgrade unless you have new toy syndrome (or want the debug led/screen in a non stupid position)
im already waiting price drop for the 9600x 💀
AI is the new 5G..... We didn't really ask for it, but we sure had it shoved at us at every. single. opportunity.
Since AMD is going to continue to support the AM4 Socket, maybe we'll see G SKU's for the 5800, 5900, and the 5950. I would more than LOVE to see the Ryzen 9 5950G for like $400 MSRP.
time to upgrade, the am4 is going to be dead especially when 7000 series will take over as the new budget pc.
@@reaverdropper2997 Not really, I have a R9 5900X and I have no issues with it. I will get back to you in 3 years with a new status update. :)
@@azomiss I still think AMD will do a 5900G and a 5950G, but with a 90 watt TDP and not 105 watts. Just imagine a 12 core, 24 thread, or a 16 core, 32 thread CPU with integrated graphics. Only AMD can outdo AMD.
I'm buying the ryzen 9 9950x I'm selling ryzen 9 7900x
Why no NPU for Desktop? Just put the Strix on a AM5 Socket or the next Threadripper Pro.
They where able to test more games in comparison to there own products and not intels, because intel CPU's kept crashing 😮
But are we able to populate all 4 RAM slots now? (Stably)
Hey! I currently have a 3700x and thinking of upgrading to 7800x3d should I wait for the 9000?
I do not want AI and definitely do not want to pay more because it’s included by default. I have no use for it in any way.
Amd and Nvidia: so I heard you guys want AI's
Gamers: no. We want better gpu and cpu's
Amd and nvidia: better ai
Screw AI, I feel sorry for people who can't think for themselves!!!!!!
Why are these not overclocked to their limit in the factory?
They are.
No comparo vs Qualcomm Elite X Snapdragon or Apple M4 by AMD`s APU ? That's strange.
did you just say tech persons. holy crap just say technicains