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Premium ammunition matters when it comes to defense and serious use. In this video, I cover many common loadings available for your pistol and rifle. Every one of them is reliable, consistent, and accurate. Any of the loads in this video will serve you well whether you use an AR-15, AK rifle, or pistol. Try them out and see which one works the best in your gun. Don't Guess, Shoot!
Also, Federal HST has been shown to penetrate deeply, consistently and expand reliably even when fired from common 3 inch barrels.
Glad I stocked up on Federal Fusion 62 gr. Very accurate and potent.
Another upside to using the majority of the ammo you recommend is that it is used by law enforcement. They have tested it in the laboratory, on the range, in the field and most importantly in court. After a self defense use of force, one less thing to worry about is defending the ammo you used in the civil lawsuit that is sure to follow. As always great info Reid. Thanks.
What you said is true. Speer is a great load, but there r better in my opinion. Speed loads their 223 very low. Chrono any speer 223 gold dot and you will get significantly lower velocities than that if say Winchester m193. Which is just fmj. If my memory serves right, it’s about 2700 fps on speeds 55 g gold dot and m193 is 3100 fps.
Edit: just checked, out of a 16 inch gold dot goes ~2880 and m193 goes ~3160. Chronographs vary of course. Not saying m193 is the best load, I’m just using it to compare bc it’s very common.
Not to correct you Reid, but just to point it out, speer makes short-barreled loads for most defensive pistol calibers. That would be the route to go for micro-carry guns.
Excellent video!
I've used Speer Gold Dot 9mm 124 grain out of my duty S&W 646 on a 210 lb black bear.
Fifty feet away, first shot stunned him. You could see his fur raise up all over his body in an instant.
Second shot broke him down and he slid downhill five feet from me with one if our dogs in his mouth!
Won't bother with other details but Speer Gold Dot works!
Both bullets were recovered, good penetration, good mushrooms, and if course results.
Looking forward to seeing you on The Ridge!
Great stuff Reid! ShootingTheBull410 has a whole series on tests out of a 3" barrel for 9mm. Agreed on your +P comment, but he has tested a few that performed very well at normal pressure, the HST you mentioned being one of them in 124 and 147. Winchester's Ranger T and Defend also did excellent at normal pressure.
Solid choices, can't argue against any of them.
I buy it cheap and stack it deep
Jeremy Steckman hey, that rhymes!
Dave Foster just saying I have some premium ammo but I stock mostly surplus ammo it's cheap and I can buy alot more Russian and American surplus than Hornady or other premium ammo so I buy alot of green tips
Your grand children could reliably shoot it long after you are gone if stored properly. It will last a looong time.
Do you have a video on your time in New Orleans (Katrina)? If not, please make one. Supposedly, they confiscated firearms during that time, please comment about that, if you do make a video.
@L 0 V E & Gratitude you are another self Gtfo "blue man bad" lolbert. Go whine about your speeding ticket somewhere else
btmatto,
Not "Supposedly".
They DID .
Just wait till you see what Sleep-Creepy Joe wants to do ...
Thank you for making this video -- I had my home defense rifle loaded with XM193 thinking that it was probably the best kind of ammo to use. It seems like I was mistaken, I'm glad to know that before I needed it for more than target practice!
For 9mm my favs are: Speer gold dot
Winchester ranger
Hornady critical defence
I'd probably pick the same for 5.56/.223
300blAKout. If your still around.
The 6.8 is grate. I taken hogs and deer. Using the90 gr bonded gold dot fed. Load. Its made its way through most of the deer one it went through both shoulder bones stopped in the hide. On the bigger hogs it did about like the deer above.
Taken one shot at 300 yd put it right in the ear of the hog. Soft shooting accurate.
Now I do have a buddy that hand loads he uses a 150 gr roundnose for his ss can loads he has taken hogs with it but the bullet does not expand much.
And your point is? Yeah, I get it, you've taken numerous animals with diff cartridges n bullet weights. So what? Do you want my stories of cartridge/bullet weight n construction/animal/distance/bang flop or not? Probably not.
I completely agree, Reid! I use Speer Gold Dot 115gr in my Glock 19. I put a box through the gun, so I know it is reliable and accurate. I have also been very impressed with the ballistics testing done on the ammo.
Reid, I chronographed Speer's 124 +P grain Gold Dot in my SIG 938. Velocity for this round was around 1100 ft/sec. so I checked the regular 124 grain Gold Dot in the same P938, velocity was the same 1100 ft/sec. It may be different in other pistols but that's what I got out of my P938 checking two different loadings on the same day and was very happy getting what I got out of the 3" barrel. My CZ75 clocked in closer to 1200 ft/sec just for "what will a longer barrel do" that was really good for this ammo.
Hornady 55gr GMX TAP BARRIER is what keep loaded. It's a lot like the Barnes TSX and you can find it online for about $1 a round.
Locally Ranger T series is a popular duty load, and we are looking for something new. We have had two OIS incidents in two months that both resulted in complete front to back penetration with no expansion at all. Both rounds were fired out of G17 pistols.
I EVERYDAY carry a glock 21 gen 4 with 230 grain federal hsts. I also have gold dots in my other magazines. Like you said Ried top tier loads... Keep the videos coming brother....
I know this is an old video but if anyone is looking for these Speer gold dot rounds federal power shock is about 10$ a box and they load them with 64grain gold dot bullet. That’s what I use along with the actual Speer load. I use it for deer/coyote hunting and defense and it does a number on a deer out to 150yds and probably a bit farther. The hornady black sbr 75grain interlok and Remington 62gn corelokt are also really good for all of the above but they cost a little more.
Usually, with all testing I've seen by RUclipsr's like shootingthebull410 and tnoutdoors9, when it comes to 9mm standard pressure tends to penetrate a little more. Plus p gives up penetration for a little more expansion.
Reid, have you checked out L-Tech's new FullStop lead free copper hollow point? It is pretty cool. It also uses Shell Shock Technologies NAS3 case. Haven't seen the big channels test it yet. DocTacDad here on RUclips tested it out of a 9mm Shield, Glock 19 and CZ Scorpion w/7.5" barrell. Bullet is blind to barrel length, penetration was exactly the same and wound channels were almost identical. The higher velocity rounds expanded more as compared to the short barrels.
After seeing that video, I called L-Tech to see where I can order their FullStop. I spoke with Larry at L-Tech, and he explained that their website was down. They had the ammo ready to go but no way to take orders online. He said they had FullStop for rifle calibers too. This hollow point precut seems like an HST going down the sides of the bullet to promote expansion. It opens up into 3 thick nasty boat propeller like petals and fucks shit up. Not sure for how long, but the 9mm is sold in box of 20 and 50 rounds. I bought the 50 round boxes and before shipping it was around the same price as the HST/Gold Dot 50 round boxes. I'd like to get your opinion on it.
I'm surprised Hornady Critical Duty didn't even get a mention.
MatteoSixSeventyFour yes! maybe because it's still relatively new reputation wise, but that 135 grain +p (even std pressure did well) really impressed me in my own range testing! HST's (124gr i think) and Hornady critical duty performed the best for me personally for my criteria so I'm now almost exclusively using critical duty for edc until something else proves better fit for my needs!
I shoot the best groups with Hornady pistol ammo. Critical duty/defense rocks!!!
It is not carried by any federal agency. If there is reliable data from a recognized ballistics lab, as well as law enforcement shootings, I have yet to see it. Not saying that it won't work, but this video is about facts, not hope.
Reid Henrichs That's sorta what I was getting at. Surprised that there wasn't. I would've assumed that some PD's would use it.
Departments like the military like to stick with what they know. Adequate is the enemy of perfection. Like the military, supply lines have already been contracted for specific brands of equipment that the department uses and you would have to have a significant amount of pull or pursuasion to get anyone to disrupt that system, especially since most departments don't even have enough money to really funciton to their full potential to begin with, rarely will anyone let you potentially waste money on an unknown variable. In my area winchester is the king, not that it is the best, but it is what we have been using the past decades.
Great video!! I love Ammo Recommendations... I am also a BIG fan of HSTs (Standard & +P)... Very clean and run GREAT (Ballistics are out of this world!!)... Black Hills is another one that I try to catch sales and deals on to stack up as much as I can, before the price gets up there again... Great reviews and some choices that I hadn't thought about, that I will now try...
124 gr HST standard pressure loads expand just fine in a Glock 43. But I agree that the Gold Dot needs some extra velocity. I shoot that 55 gr Barnes load in my ARs and it’s a very good deer load. Accurate and consistent.
I've found Fusion and Gold Dot for around $10-$11 a box over the last several months. Great ammo and your best bang for the buck if you can find a good deal.
I found the IMI Razor Core 77gr or 69gr to be fairly good in terms of ballistics. It's fairly cheap to boot.
MrHellotherehowareu : I have been considering this as a substitute when my main go-to choices are out of stock or when I might find a good deal on the IMI... I still haven't tried it yet, but the more I get testimonials about it, the more I want to give it a go... Thanks for bringing it up!!
They're VERY good ballistically. You get what you pay for with those.
In .223/5.56 I like any Premium 62gr SP.
For pistols I would add the Hornady Critical Duty +P. Just a personal choice based on my testing and shooting. Great load.
So Reid, how did you choose between the 147gr and the 124? I have been carrying the hst 147gr standard pressure for almost 2 years and I love it. Have not shot the 124gr though am always thinking about it. Is the lighter bullet going to penetrate slightly more but have a little less impact as far as stretch cavities and damage is concerned over the slower but heavier 147? Im always curious of these things and its hard to find quality info which is 1 reason I love your channel. Short and to the point. No bs, and straight truth and care. Im glad you broke off and did your own thing. Heading to Bondy's Rifleman 1 alpha nextmonth and soon hope to visit you guys up there. This will be my 1st class so Im pretty psyched!
Hey Reid, great video, I appreciate all you do. Just wanted to let you know that Polmetto State Armory is having a sale on 75g gold dot, $10.99 BOX OF 20 with free shipping for 10 plus boxes. Just got a notification that they were back in stock. They initially had the 74g and ran out. Thanks again just wanted to pass this on. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
I love when you do the ammo vids...that's the hardest thing for me to figure out with all the different types out there. ..I can just try the ones you suggest and roll with the ones I like the best...
thanks for saving me the time and money. ..
Love my federal HST 9mm rounds! I'm no amazing shot but my groups are noticeably tighter vs. cheap fmj
Tried Gold Dot +P 124gr. in my G26. Couldn't control it during an IDPA match. Switched down to Gold Dot 124gr. to standardize across my families 9mm defensive pistols.
Great Video, as usual. The Speer 64 Gold Dot SP shoots through my rifles very accurately as well, MOA in all three. 👍 Also a great deer load as well.
Reid, have you used Federal Fusion in 7.62x39? If so, any thoughts on it? I have 100 rounds of it that I spent $120 on. Other than that, I have around 800 rounds of Golden Tiger FMG. My converted Saiga seems to shoot the Golden Tiger more consistently than any wolf or bear that Ive used, although that could be operator error. lol. I plan on saving up some money to come up to Valor Ridge from Clinton soon to solve that problem though.
In my AR for home defense I love Hornady TAP!
Federal HST is $0.40/rd at quite a few places online. I just bought a couple hundred rounds to shoot to move my carry load over to the 147gr HST.
I also sho HST, after shipping its more like 60-70 cents a round but who cares its the best hallow point out there
And just got an email a couple hours ago from Target Sports USA that HST in both 124gr and 147gr is $400/1000 shipped.
Thank you for all you do in putting out these videos Reid. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family.
Hello Reid - Just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your videos and wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a blessed New Year.
Ordered a passel of M855A1 bullets from American Reloading yesterday. Those seem to be nice general use bullets. It sure looks like one could say that those have been well tested. Now I just need to build or buy a 5.56 rifle to shoot them from and work up a nice load for them and a practice load analog to practice with. I wasn't going to get a 5.56 but the availability of these bullets changed my mind.
It kinda looks like rifle plates are getting more popular, so armor penetration has become one of my considerations. Longer barrels are also looking better to me because of this. It'll be nice finally having round that I can get BDC reticles for too. Oh, I kinda wish the plug beneath the penetrator was lead rather than copper. Ammunition just doesn't seem to be the best place to go "green" to me.
Reid, your thoughts on the Hornady Critical Duty?
Hey Reid, what's the difference between the Federal HST and Federal Hydroshock? I was recommended the Hydroshocks by a few friends of mine that are LEO's as they use those in their personal weapons.
I really enjoy your videos...i would love to take you up on the training...its just that I'm on a budget with both time and money...im an over the road truck driver...i live in southern WV...sometime, I'd really like to check out the classes. I'm also an Air Force vet, but can always learn more.
Hey Reid, thoughts on Black Hills MK262 out of SBR, 16" and 18-20" AR's for home defense? Asking because I like to stock it for competition use. Also: I like 124gr HST in my G19/17 too, however I just picked up a G26 to add into the mix for carry/BUG - should I load +P, or is standard pressure 124gr good to go out of the G26?
I switched from the hydro-shok to the new Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrator in my 9mm, .45ACP, .357Mag, and my .45-70
I've tried almost all brands of ammo over the years, and have settled on Lehigh Defense [ for now]. High priced, but I feel very empowered carrying it.
Never know when you're going to run across a Bigfoot in a flack-jacket. Kidding.
Folks have been carrying BallFMJ in 45 forever. Nothing wrong with wanting Deep Penetration.
I shoot the 45gr from my Five Seven and like them very much. They perform very consistently in flight and gel. I bought them when they had them on sale for $85/500 because of the lead content in their old brass.
thanks Reid for the confirmation...I had been using golden sabre 147 grain in my CZ PCR. Ran great but accuracy just OK.... I recently purchased a Glock 19 and the golden sabor 147 Grange just does not perform as well in this particular gun. I saw all of the ballistics tests that I could find on RUclips regarding the federal HST, and that seems definitely to be the round to go with. I'm going to go to the range today as a matter of fact to put a few hundred rounds truth o'clock. If it runs well and shoots as good as the sabor at least, that's going to be my round of choice. the Liberty ammo that is hollow and very light with a very high muzzle velocity seems to be all the rage. Do what do you think of this round? I'm not convinced.
I use federal hst too. I've had good luck with hornady critical duty and critical defense as well.
Great review. All my carry guns are Hornady trusted.
Good shit, I use the the Federal Fusion.
The Federal XM556SBCT3 (also known as XM556FBIT3... exact same stuff) is the best AR ammo I've found. Not cheap, but not too bad if you can find it in bulk. "Bone Frog" sells 500rds for about $450. Burns hot and clean, avg 3100fps (with a 16in bbl), avg 0.73 moa @ 100yds. Leaves a massive wound channel in ballistic gel and deer (deer drop almost instantly).
Yup it’s a bad ass round and tons of energy probably the most out of any 5.56 round I got 100 rounds last year from bonefrog good stuff that and the 50 grain tsx from black hills
Always great info. I have learned so much from you Reid. You helped me get into the shooting sports. Thank you!
Reid, good with the S&W Shield or does +P also go for the HST in a Shield? Currently I have been carrying the standard pressure Federal HST 124 JHP 9mm. Just curious because of the +P comment on the Gold Dot. Thanks! Merry Christmas!
Federal HST FTW. I run the 124+P 9mm in all my 9mm guns. Look for the 50-round LE packaging, it is much less expensive. For the 10mm it's Underwood 180 using the Speer Gold Dot bullet.
I don't carry .40 or .45. If I did I would go with the HST.
Over here in Georgia, we have G2 Research and their R.I.P rounds, which is what I use for my carry weapon (VP9). Available in .380 and 9mm!
Thanks for this video Reid! Very informative!
Federal HST is what I used to carry in my Glock 23 when I worked armed security. Great round as well as super soft shooting, especially in +P loads.
you are extremely helpfull reid, please keep doing what you do for us.
good video and insight but honestly surprised to not see Hornady in it.
It is accurate stuff and quality. I just do not know that many people who have shot somebody with it. If it is not in use professionally, I tend to stay away from it. Not saying it won't work, I just carry ammo that I know for a fact does.
Reid Henrichs that's as fair as it gets, thanks Reid
Reid Henrichs Whats your opinion on the wasr10?
I know you’re not spending $1.00 or more per round everyday on the range so what are you using for that?
Nice vid man. Like the info.
124 gr Golddots are my go to, but the critical Duty is good and more prevalent in my area.
Reid can you do a video of how you carry and draw while driving/ in your vehicle. Thanks for all the info through the years. Its greatly appreciated!
Also here is a cool list of pistol carry loads tested by the crew over at luckygunner. I thought you might enjoy checking it out 🖒www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/
You are awesome Reid! Thanks man
Good shit, Reid.
Back when I bought my 9mm Federal HST, I could only find 147gr in normal pressure at my LGS, so I bought the entire case. Is the 147gr good or should I sell them and get 124's? I carry a G17 and 92FS. All responses will be appreciated. Thanks.
Thank you for this knowledge. You save a lot of my time and money. I think I’m missing your history lesson.
Thanks again Reid!
again as always Reid, Thanks
You sold me on the 77 gr otm for home defense, I have also had great luck with the 55 gr otm
Winchester PDX1 splitcore in .223 and HST 124g
reid, what would you suggest for a 20.5" vepr in 54r. being the round it is, 400 yards shouldnt be an issue. i also built my own ar from a poly lower and a 16"ss psa kit and a 30 round magpull.
the funny thing is. the government paid me the funds to purchase these fine firearms. being I've been deemed disabled. i shoot pistol right handed left eye. till i modify a scope mount. i have to sholder left. i lost the eye sight in my right eye. but corse of nature being ingrained, sholdering right to not find a gun sight. when i can get a left eye mount for a right sholdered riffle. that ingrained natural sholder wont be an issue for me.
Have you tested Hornady Critical Duty 135gr flex tips ? Clearly didn't make your list, is it an overenetration issue with this round ? They cycle very well in...well all my 9's. I'm a bit concerned about overenetration though.
Hey I really enjoy your channel and hope to come out and train with your group.
Best regards,
Bryan
Great video thank you so much, may you have a great day.
California Department of Corrections uses the Speer 64gr in there duty rifles. very effective, first hand knowlege
“This ammo is very good on flesh very good on barriers it goes through with flying colors” I’m weak as fuck lmfao
great video again-Really appreciate the info Reid, what are your thoughts on the stuff like 9mm lehigh extreme defenders or penetrator?
How many people have been shot by either one of those rounds with repeatable effectiveness over a length of time to render a sample?
I don't have an answer for that but point made lol.thanks brother.
Federal Fusion is exactly the same load as Gold Dot. Use it with confidence.
Some great advise here! I dont like the new G2 Gold Dots but swear by plain jane Gold Dot in 124 Gn 9 MM.
I miss the good old days when I could buy a case (1000 rds.) of wolf 7.62x39 HP's for eighty bucks and .50BMG M33 FMJ's for $1.25 each.
HST and ranger T have been good to me in 45s, course my CZ don't care about 9mm, It chews it all up, so it's pretty much dealers choice unless we start talking long range accuracy. I've had limited success with keltec pf9 though, they seem to do best with hornedy with that plastic like tip
I just run 64 GR .223 Winchester Super X bonded deer ammo. Never had to shoot anyone so i dont know ballistically how itll do but from what ive read, its the same bullet as their Ranger 5.56
Reid, since home defense is usually a matter of feet not yards, isn't all ammo going to be accurate enough to dispose of a home invader? I have shot thousands of Red Army rounds out of my SKS (fmj) and never had one failure. I have shot other more expensive manufacturer's rounds out of the same rifle and have had failures (soft point mainly, but some fmj rounds too). As with all mechanical things and manufactured things, there is always a statistical probability of failure. More expensive does not always mean better success. Is my SKS my home defense weapon? No, my pump shotgun is my main home defense weapon so all of these rounds discussed did not help in that department. Thanks for the information, you do a great service to all in your videos and I "choose you" over all others! Peace brother (US Army 1973 - 83, yes old, but I still practice).
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Say Reid, so you would recommend the heavier bullets for the pocket rockets, or go with the same bullets, just a lighter weight? Ya'll have a good holiday now.
Thanks
A good video as always. Highboy
a life long friend of mine< a police officer has done several tests with the FBI each and every time federal HST rates the highest followed very closely by gold dots
5:05 "Don't believe everything you Reid!"... Ah I see what you did there 😂
Do you think the .223 loadings do better all around than the .556 loadings. That's what I have came to find out myself
62 gr federal fusion. Made for deer and will run fine in autoloaders
have you tried the 75gr Speer? You can get all weight of that stuff for around .50 per right now.
I love hornady match 75gr BTHP for my 5.56, I run a 1/8 twist melonited barrel, and get MOA, Some times sub MOA with it....and corbon DPX 115gr for my 9mm....
Love God Love your channel Thank you Brother. I use Speer gold dot 9mm 124gr + p short barrel ammunition in my G26. Is there a difference between the short barrel and regular ammo. They are both 124 + p. The short barrel version is hard to find. I don't think their is a difference. (is there? )
KK Prepper yes there is a difference. The short barrel ammo is designed for exactly what it says. The non short barrel ammo will still work fine but it may not provide the proper penetration.
It's all shot placement. Won't matter if you don't hit the vitals. I hunt quite a bit and can tell you if you don't hit heart, lung, or spinal cord, they will not die for several minutes or even days. If your a confident shot a fmj will work, killed a deer with m855 and completely destroyed the lungs of a whitetail.
Thanks for the advice.
Hey Reid, do some students of yours shoot 10mm in any of your pistol craft classes? What do you think and how do they perform compared to other calibers in your classes? Any cons besides cost of ammo? Thanks.
I use Hornady Critical Duty on my full size Taurus PT92. God bless
I have always loved gold dot ammo I found a box in my stash that was 11.00 I bought that ammo twelve years ago and every round went bang
Absolutely, are you in Kentucky sir?
Last time I saw Lapua 7.62x39 ammo it was over $40 a box. I bought some back in the late 90s for $6 a box
I can tell you for certain that when you are being aggressively fired upon the furthest thing from your mind is what brand of ammo is being fired at you.
you should do a video on quality training ammo!
Tevin Manuel my kid and I burned up 2000+ rounds of PMC Bronze 55gr .223 when we attended Rifleman I at Valor Ridge last year. Ran great on both my Colt LE6920 and his S&W M&P-15 Sport.
Hey Reid, what do you think of the eastern bloc 8m3 hollowpoint loading in 7.62x39mm, the bullet has weak points in the jacket so it fragments and dumps its energy in the target and has the impressive gel tests and is also used by the Russian interior ministry troops and various Russian SF units to good effect in urban and counter-terrorist operations
Buy a few different brands and go with the one that your gun likes and practice with it as often as you can.