It will help if a graphical timeline chart is prepared to clearly show the sequence and position of each event! Pastor Bohr please consider this suggestion, thank you.
Question if the two groups are represented by those who will die and be resurrected and will be translated without seeing death which the great multitude is represented by Moses and those who will be translated without experiencing death represented by Elijah. There on the mount of transfiguration we see the two classes being represented by Moses and Elijah.
In Daniel 12:2...Are the some who awake to everlasting life, those who died in the faith of the 3 angels messages? Are the some who awake to shame and everlasting contempt, those who pierced Christ?
EGW said that the angels barely knew there was law UNTIL Lucifer began his war.. In addition Egw also says that after man fell God had to break down the law INTO ten because mans ability to understand the law had been fractured due to sin. "The ANGELS had NOT understood that there was ANY LAW. They were NOT CONSCIOUS of the fact that law lay at the foundation of God's government. It was a NEW revelation to them." (The Great Controversy, 499) “In heaven, service is not rendered in the spirit of legality. When Satan rebelled against the law of Jehovah, the thought that there was a law came to the angels almost as an AWAKENING TO SOMETHING UNTHOUGHT OF. In their ministry, the angels are not as servants, but as sons. There is perfect unity between them and their Creator. Obedience is not work; it is love. So with the children of God. Those who are actuated by love are in unison with God’s will, and the principle of His law is lived out in their lives. When the law was proclaimed from Sinai, God made known the holiness of His character, that by contrast, men might see the sinfulness of their own hearts. The law was given to convict them of sin and lead them to Christ. It was to be simplified so that man, because of his darkened understanding, might comprehend its principles." (Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 128) This passage highlights that because of sin, humanity could no longer fully grasp the principles of God's law, so God had to simplify and explain it in ways they could understand. Does this mean that originally the Gods law was not the 10 commandments and that the ten commandments came out of Gods law of love? Because the ten only came about after man sinned?
The 144,000 are the first fruits that give the everlasting covenant gospel message to proclaim to the world. The second fruits are the great multitude who accept the message and come out of Babylon.
The fourth angel of revelation 18 1-5. Is Christ himself where the whole earth is filled with the illumination of his glory, Christ's standard of righteousness in the judgement is his ten commandments. The transcript of his character and the foundation of his government. Separation of church and state is civil and religious liberty. Babylon and her harlot daughters unite against God Almighty through church and state. Sunday Phoenician sun god baal worship by law through forced Sunday worship. The replacement theology of the ten commandments.
The 144.000 have a special work to do along with the Angel of revelation 18.their work will be to give the eleventh hour message to God people in the other churches who when they hear the truth of Sabbath will take their stand this is where for those people who come over will be sealed with God mark and those who refuse will be sealed with the mark of the beast
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All have sinned and fell short of thr Glory of God. To me, however, you put it, the 144000 are as symbolic as the story of redemption, and their attributes can only be acquired through following the lamb and following the lamb is the requirement of all the redeemed. To me also the multitude and the 144000 are one and the same. Otherwise it could be Calvinistic to assign better holiness to other groups to be saved.
Give the full description of the cloud that is seen, it's described as a black cloud the size of a man's hand. This has nothing to do with race only that the descriptive adjective black is used in the verse.
I do not agree with the notion that carnal beings live righteous life without the intercessor. The Bible on the contrary says in Heb 7:25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. There will not be a single moment our lives we can live a righteous life without Christ. I reject EGW’s teaching that somehow the 144 thousand can live without their intercessor is unbiblical false teaching that promotes righteousness by work.
Nowhere does EGWhite say that anyone can live without our Intercessor, Jesus Christ. Until the righteous “put on immortality, and incorruption,” we are all capable of sin, and need our Redeemer.
@@susankane8728you are either not paying attention to what these to guys are talking about or you are rejecting the truth. Listen carefully to both men plainly saying the 144 thousand will be without intercessor reading EGW’s writing from GC. Start listening from 5:27.
@@Milos-Stankovic I’m not trying to pick a fight here. I am pointing out the awful mistake EGW actually said in The Great Controversy. She explicitly mentions that the 144,000 will stand without an intercessor, and that is a fundamental SDA belief. So, it’s only fair to acknowledge that she did say it. At least acknowledge that she said it. However, when we compare this idea to the Bible, we see that Jesus is our intercessor forever, without pause or interruption. There’s no gap in His ministry. Jesus isn’t merely pleading for mercy before the Father; rather, the Father and Son are working together in our hearts, continually giving us righteousness. If they were to stop even for a moment, we would be nothing but sinful beings. That’s why Jesus said, “No one is good except God alone.” Even angels rely on God’s grace to remain righteous. So, how do you reconcile EGW’s statement with the biblical teaching that Jesus’ intercession is unceasing?
Just stumbled upon this channel, have heard Pr Bohr, real good material, however his position regarding the Censorship of Conrad Vine causes me to rethink participating on any level with this ministry.
@ I am sure that I am not alone, watch what happens to these ministries and even the SDA church at large, censoring opposing views will very likely result in a financial backlash. So does he care about me, heck no, does he care about financial support, of course.
We need to listen to great, long time pastors like Stephan Bohr. Do not let one misunderstanding color your whole attitudes. Pastors are men, and not the Word, they are fallible, let God judge them. Just learn what the Bible teaches.
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Thank you Pr. Bohr for your presentation as always.
Thanks for watching!
Pastor Bohr and friend, I loved your talk, because those who listen, will get this question answered accurately. Amen🙏🏼❤️
Thank you for all you both do for the Lord
Thanks for watching!
Thank you too for going over the sequence of the great final events. So valuable. 🎺🎺🎺
Thanks for watching!
It will help if a graphical timeline chart is prepared to clearly show the sequence and position of each event! Pastor Bohr please consider this suggestion, thank you.
Amazing facts I believe has one if not Pastor David gates and dr Walsh or Jeremiah Davis has them.
Thank you so much gentlemen, for explaining this somewhat mysterious subject, the identity of the 144,000. A valuable study indeed. 🙏🏼❤️
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you that very helpful
God bless you both
Pastor Bohr! Stick to the wounderfull Truth!!
Thanks a lot... clear explanations
Thank you 🥰🙏🏽
Thanks for watching!
There's a study notes prepared by Steve Bohr. The Sanctified Life does really go deeply than this. God bless you pastors
When did the faith of the 3 angels messages start...which year?
AMEN❤❤❤
Or. Bohr, never boring!
Special resurrection! Rarely taught 😢
Something that is a bit worrying is how the ‘social media ministries’ attacking SDA doctrine have increased in the last few years
Question if the two groups are represented by those who will die and be resurrected and will be translated without seeing death which the great multitude is represented by Moses and those who will be translated without experiencing death represented by Elijah. There on the mount of transfiguration we see the two classes being represented by Moses and Elijah.
In Daniel 12:2...Are the some who awake to everlasting life, those who died in the faith of the 3 angels messages?
Are the some who awake to shame and everlasting contempt, those who pierced Christ?
I don't know about many years brethren!!
Is Daniel 12:1&2 speaking about the special resurrection?
EGW said that the angels barely knew there was law UNTIL Lucifer began his war.. In addition Egw also says that after man fell God had to break down the law INTO ten because mans ability to understand the law had been fractured due to sin.
"The ANGELS had NOT understood that there was ANY LAW. They were NOT CONSCIOUS of the fact that law lay at the foundation of God's government. It was a NEW revelation to them." (The Great Controversy, 499)
“In heaven, service is not rendered in the spirit of legality. When Satan rebelled against the law of Jehovah, the thought that there was a law came to the angels almost as an AWAKENING TO SOMETHING UNTHOUGHT OF. In their ministry, the angels are not as servants, but as sons. There is perfect unity between them and their Creator. Obedience is not work; it is love. So with the children of God. Those who are actuated by love are in unison with God’s will, and the principle of His law is lived out in their lives. When the law was proclaimed from Sinai, God made known the holiness of His character, that by contrast, men might see the sinfulness of their own hearts. The law was given to convict them of sin and lead them to Christ. It was to be simplified so that man, because of his darkened understanding, might comprehend its principles."
(Christ’s Object Lessons, p. 128)
This passage highlights that because of sin, humanity could no longer fully grasp the principles of God's law, so God had to simplify and explain it in ways they could understand.
Does this mean that originally the Gods law was not the 10 commandments and that the ten commandments came out of Gods law of love? Because the ten only came about after man sinned?
The ten commandments were already in place before man sinned. You can't sin against a law that doesn't exist.
The 144,000 are the first fruits that give the everlasting covenant gospel message to proclaim to the world. The second fruits are the great multitude who accept the message and come out of Babylon.
The fourth angel of revelation 18 1-5. Is Christ himself where the whole earth is filled with the illumination of his glory, Christ's standard of righteousness in the judgement is his ten commandments. The transcript of his character and the foundation of his government. Separation of church and state is civil and religious liberty. Babylon and her harlot daughters unite against God Almighty through church and state. Sunday Phoenician sun god baal worship by law through forced Sunday worship. The replacement theology of the ten commandments.
After the disciples had gotten the seal at pentecost, they went to harvest so it will be with the 144000 after the refreshing
are those who partook sp ressurection given immortal bodies?
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The 144.000 have a special work to do along with the Angel of revelation 18.their work will be to give the eleventh hour message to God people in the other churches who when they hear the truth of Sabbath will take their stand this is where for those people who come over will be sealed with God mark and those who refuse will be sealed with the mark of the beast
How much for the Anchor study material for 2025?
I cannot attend in person
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All have sinned and fell short of thr Glory of God. To me, however, you put it, the 144000 are as symbolic as the story of redemption, and their attributes can only be acquired through following the lamb and following the lamb is the requirement of all the redeemed. To me also the multitude and the 144000 are one and the same. Otherwise it could be Calvinistic to assign better holiness to other groups to be saved.
Give the full description of the cloud that is seen, it's described as a black cloud the size of a man's hand. This has nothing to do with race only that the descriptive adjective black is used in the verse.
The 144.000 thousand are called the first fruits of the living to be translated
Small town e. Or., don't sneeze or you drive past, like all your sermons.
I do not agree with the notion that carnal beings live righteous life without the intercessor. The Bible on the contrary says in Heb 7:25
Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
There will not be a single moment our lives we can live a righteous life without Christ. I reject EGW’s teaching that somehow the 144 thousand can live without their intercessor is unbiblical false teaching that promotes righteousness by work.
Nice study ahead🎉
Nowhere does EGWhite say that anyone can live without our Intercessor, Jesus Christ. Until the righteous “put on immortality, and incorruption,” we are all capable of sin, and need our Redeemer.
@@susankane8728you are either not paying attention to what these to guys are talking about or you are rejecting the truth. Listen carefully to both men plainly saying the 144 thousand will be without intercessor reading EGW’s writing from GC. Start listening from 5:27.
Sealed 144000 will not sin.
They will have Christ in their hearts.
@@Milos-Stankovic
I’m not trying to pick a fight here. I am pointing out the awful mistake EGW actually said in The Great Controversy. She explicitly mentions that the 144,000 will stand without an intercessor, and that is a fundamental SDA belief. So, it’s only fair to acknowledge that she did say it. At least acknowledge that she said it.
However, when we compare this idea to the Bible, we see that Jesus is our intercessor forever, without pause or interruption. There’s no gap in His ministry. Jesus isn’t merely pleading for mercy before the Father; rather, the Father and Son are working together in our hearts, continually giving us righteousness. If they were to stop even for a moment, we would be nothing but sinful beings. That’s why Jesus said, “No one is good except God alone.” Even angels rely on God’s grace to remain righteous.
So, how do you reconcile EGW’s statement with the biblical teaching that Jesus’ intercession is unceasing?
Just stumbled upon this channel, have heard Pr Bohr, real good material, however his position regarding the Censorship of Conrad Vine causes me to rethink participating on any level with this ministry.
Do you think he cares about you,Vine's disciple, not participating in his ministry?Who cares about what you think?
@ I am sure that I am not alone, watch what happens to these ministries and even the SDA church at large, censoring opposing views will very likely result in a financial backlash. So does he care about me, heck no, does he care about financial support, of course.
We need to listen to great, long time pastors like Stephan Bohr. Do not let one misunderstanding color your whole attitudes. Pastors are men, and not the Word, they are fallible, let God judge them. Just learn what the Bible teaches.
@@TheGateKeeper001 God will take care of him as He always does...