@@kaliefhampton2483 sure but parks and the others on the pod give perspective too certain topics just a well they just don’t talk as much. They have the ability to hold it down without joe, and y’all be shitting on joe stepping on good topics then be switching up when he leave 😂😂
Flip didn't have a point. Literally what is being attacked? There is bad people being outed, that's literally all that's happening. If you want to bring up Drake, that was a battle. If you want to bring up jay Z, that's literally either a woman chasing a pay day (which happens with all celebrities) or a legit concern. If you want to bring up Diddy, well. You be the judge. What's the attack? The industry is filled with criminals or wanna be criminals lol. What world are you living in?
Its a double standard. They had the sax, drog, rock and roll mantra. Used to trash hotels and abuse women per business as usual. Easy to prosecute “minorities”
I completely understand where Flip was coming from. He just wasn’t able to articulate it right and he didn’t want to sound like he was insensitive to the situation. But I’m surprised on how oblivious and naive the rest of the cast was, to that point. Dr. Umar should’ve been there to break it down.
Facts. They pretended to not get it because they are part of the nonsense. Anyone with common sense can see the correlation but they are afraid to acknowledge it in fear of their fan base canceling them. Aside from the Cassie incident there's no actual evidence of slot of the allegations against Diddy or Jay but because of who they are they're already guilty. It's called "Herd mentality ".
MISSED FLIPS ENTIRE POINT! Smh lol there’s other genres that have many ACTUAL rapist, pedo’s, criminals and druggies .. none being highlighted the way they’re doing Hip Hop artist. All the other shi is a whole diff discussion
You put druggies in with rapists and pedos? LMAO all artists are druggies but not all of them are the other 2, and the ones that are should be held accountable
@8:19 theres a nasty element in rock and roll, metal, pop etc. Will they investigate country music like they are doing rap?Will rock get investigated for the "Rockstar life" of drugs, sex, and rock and roll? If rap is truly under attack then all genres should be investigated!
@@jordanflores5687 Moving goalposts. Either it's about cleaning up the industry or it's not. Rock artist absolutely have had accusations come out but the media looks the other way.
@@cald4aprps628 Rock is not mainstream anymore so the media is not interested, it doesn't generate clicks. The lostprohets dude will get talked about in rock publications and by rock youtubers but the mainstream media is not going to pick it up because most people don't know who that is.
@@SoundsOfTheWild3 The media can make anything a THING. In the 90s, rock was huge, Aerosmith, GNR, Metallica etc. The media can reach back and parade them around, just look at how they dug into the archives for B. Cosby. The reality is they don't want to paint a genre and those associated with it as predators.
What in the world are you talking about? Hip hop is the clear #1 genre right now. “Sex,Drugs and Rock n Roll” was a 80’s-90’s based statement/song. You wanna investigate something that holds no barring right now.
There is absolutely an attack on HipHop, but it’s not because of RnR... Blk moguls (Jay, Diddy, Dre, Snoop, 50, to name a few) are starting to think ownership and it’s boxing the YT leeches out.. They are strategically dismantling hiphop in retaliation.. The answer to defeat it is to come TOGETHER… stop all the lil boy and girl goofy stuff.
"YT leeches" Pipe down lil man, they wouldn't be moguls with large net worths if it wasn't for Whites, because majority of the sales are from White consumers. Also, the ones that run the record labels are not White, they're jewish.
Facts! It's about people stop BSing and keep it a buck. This should of been the move since Public Enemy's fight the power song. And this is the tsunami wave to get Black Americans out of Hip-Hop altogether. And gentrify it with more black immigrants and YTs
Hip Hop is a the new Mandingo Brawl(Slave fights) of old. Rappers are trained to tear each other down in service to their masters. This creates disunity within the community in and around the music/culture. Making it easy for outside elements to knock off the current and future leaders at will. Btw. Jay Z always reminds us that he is not a rapper.
@ this be flying over yall heads the point is there is scandals and sick shit in the industry in general but in hip hop it is forecast and broadcasted and national news and no other genre that has ever been investigated. It’s pretty simple. So yes there’s always been an attack I wonder why hmmmm
It’s not an attack on Hip Hop, it’s an attack on the ignorance and 🧢 that’s heavily relied upon by the music industry. Ppl are tired it’s like the fake and phony gets rewarded while the real and solid gets silenced bc aesthetically they may not fit the bill.
@ if you meant What is hip hop, I’ll say it’s the story of black culture told by individuals that have the skills to put that story in rap format, hip hop has to be authentic not right or wrong just TRUE, and there’s a big difference in hip hop & rap Hip Hop is the vehicle rap is the engine
@PrettyBleu well count me as part of the problem. If you cant pass an eye test, I don't care what you have to say on a mic. I'll give you a song or 2 but I can do without MF Doom or XXXtenacion (no disrespect to the dead, they just happen to be great examples of my point). You cant weigh 145 lbs and tell me how you beat dudes down. You cant look lame and tell me how cool you are. Just me
This is also in Rock Music as well. becuase flip dont cosume it he wouldnt know. Jerry Lee Lewis Elvis Motley Crew were known to have wild hotel parties. the Warped Tour myspace scene had abuser and they got called out and handled.
Right...he just doesn't follow stuff about them because he's a hip hop head...Garth Brooks literally just had a case against him around the same time all the Diddy stuff dropped but it got overshadowed and then swept under the rug. Hurt my heart because I love him and Trisha
One main difference that they don't look at- the audience. The rock audience doesn't react the sameway that the rap audience does. The rap audience is far more internally destructive than rock and pop
To help flip out a little : So none of the pop stars, rock stars, country stars are predatory ? Involved in illegal activity? No rumors or accusations of perverse or inappropriate behavior ?
I like both Kdot and Drake but this idea that equating someone saying you beat ya wife or ya wife stepped out on you to calling someone a PDF is crazy. One is just embarrassing, especially if you and your women both know its not true. The other is something way different People in prison. what most would consider as the lowest in society, won't even let you put that jacket on someone without paperwork
They’re both abuse and domestic violence is serious and is far more than just embarrassing. It’s violence. Did you not see the Diddy and cassie video? and yes that stain on Kendrick would have ruined his reputation as he is applauded for being open and not a shame to share his flaws. And Drake brought up liking young girls first in that Taylor song, so, what does that say?
@@OfteninLondon Word. The biggest, weirdest thing I have ever heard is when Drake told Kendrick to talk about him liking young girls… wtf is we doing?? You’re baiting this guy to talk about the suspect behavior that’s been making waves for a few years now so you can bring up a mediatakeout report from 2013 because that’s where you wanna take the battle? Why not go bar for bar on a normal fade like a Jadakiss would? What agenda do you have to want to take this battle to image destroying territory?
can't make up rumors when there's video proof of drake with a minor and many other creepy things with receipts. No lies, just many people in denial in hope for drake to bounce back, something that will not happen.
All due respect hip hop has been the top genre for well over 15 years now they only felt comfortable admitting it in 2017. Rock fans will even tell you rock is dead rn. Hip hop has plenty of people with their nose clean but every 20 years the deviants are yesteryear are exposed when they are no longer valuable to the institution of mainstream media. You're looking for collusion in the wrong place here. We have more info than ever so we're just able to figure out things faster and the clock ran out on some of these monsters within the culture. But people could have told you this was coming in fact they did Joe budde said on this very podcast years ago what was gonna happen to Drake. Y'all just don't be listening. Jaguar wright been telling y'all about Diddy for years, you just ignore the signs until they get locked up.
I'm assuming Flip was saying we're being targeted more because hip hop is now deemed as a normalized sound in mass media. In order to continue making money off of us, they take out those pillars (regardless of morality) that help it stand.
Blues, Jazz, Soul, R&B artistry is all rooted in pain, poverty mixed with talent and creativity. Difference is old school Black stars presented themselves as entertainers in public and kept personal issues very private.
Sh💩 that’s every podcaster and gossip RUclipsr. No one is coming to their own conclusions. He probably trying to speak on what Dr.Umar was saying, but he doesn’t have the knowledge or acumen to do so.
For years Hip Hop has made a living about making music about rape, murder, illegal drug selling and a host of other nefarious acts. Now that Hip Hop is being investigated it’s a conspiracy?
@@cald4aprps628What other genres are singing about the dirt they’re doing like rap? Hip-hop is an easy rock to turn over because it’s built off STREET CRED. You will barely find that in other genres.
@eastwaters4082 I see your point, but it's also not hard to investigate a network/channel that's had allegations since its inception. Yet, it's still standing.
@@cald4aprps628 One or two bad apples in the rock genre will sink the band, not the genre. That’s the difference. An attack on a singer that was caught being a PDF isn’t a monolith and fans see, you remember when R-Kelly was charged? The public testimony was “separate the art from the artist.”
Exactly, it was so much going on in the 90's I missed stuff and I'm 47 and was a FAN!!!! It was conscientious rap, women empowerment, gangsta rap, lover boy rap, silly rap came later... but all in all it wasn't bad as it was now.
I think people should really stop trying to be a criminal and still have a online presence they don't even need to view your story's anymore all that gotta do is view where your location was on that day
Hip hop over the years has been missing the true essence that it once had. There’s street gangs and people who don’t have a real musical talent and they have given these artists a chance to shine and this comes with issues. People have taken the music for granted. Now you don’t enjoy it but only for a minute. There’s rap songs that we can enjoy for years. Nowadays they just put out anything. I want music 🎶 that we can enjoy again ❤
Crazy how they trying so hard to discredit Flip and act like they don’t know what he’s saying….. he’s saying these people deserve what they’re getting but for as long as these people have been evil, why has it taken so long to start getting them and is it now because hip-hop has taken over the number 1 spot.
To add, when are they going to go after the other bad actors, not in r&b and hip hop? I'm not opposed to the Diddy' and Jay-Z's getting their day, if they committed those acts. They sold the community and artists out time and time again to the people who are now taking them down. However, if it's about justice, then get to sweeping in other genres, too.
The people being exposed in our music culture sadly had to be stopped. The point is that this is not happening on this level to the people they work for and we're in cahoots with
They’re missing his point. She keeps focusing on Diddy. What about jayz n drake? It does feel like a smear campaign is all he’s saying because of the back to back shit
@@MichaelWoodsMedia Good. Keep it going in other genres besides rap & r&b is all is asked. Should be easy enough to do if it's about cleaning up the industry.
Rock hasn't been nearly as publicized outside of the biggest bands like LP, FOB, Paramore, Muse, and Panic! At the Disco. There have been so many bands with rape and statutory allegations that led to bands ending their careers or a key member leaving. It's not a popular genre compared to rap, pop, country, and EDM.
Let's talk The Temptations David Ruffin died of a drug overdose, Eddie Kendricks died of alcoholism, and another died of poor health. As long as you making money
To say something wasn’t “accepted” as opposed to “overlooked” when these cats did this to so many people and all these people “knew” is a pretty wild take Melyssa
For every Diddy there is a Leonardo DiCaprio there is a Vince McMahon there is a thousand people who were at those parties doing the same thing as well. Where is the accountability or is it selective outrage.
its been a big hate train lately on hip hop & the culture lately not just by other races but ourselves aswell we shit on our own we have no pride we more leaders to speak 🗣 they always want to talk about the bad side of hip hop when that was our way out of poverty
Hip hops BEEN attacked and battered when you insert the likes of, Nikki, latto, cardi, sexy red, etc. We'll never get another Lauryn out of this generation of hip hop.
First of all it’s Nicki and not Nikki. Keep Nicki out of it because even Lauryn hill said she like what Nicki has done as an artist. And her advice to Nicki was to keep going.
Plenty of rock scumbags that have been doing the same thing. I’m a rock and metal guy as well as a huge hip hop fan and have studied the scenes over my life and how people have moved and I can definitely tell you that the metal community has seen some extreme toxicity for a long time now. The crazy thing is that it’s all well known knowledge whether it’s in documentaries or movies or books! 3/4 of Motley Crue for 40 years have gotten away with this stuff. I mean Vince drunk drove and killed a guy and basically got away with it in the 80’s. Anthony Kiedis from Red Hot Chili Peppers had relationships with women significantly younger than him and he told on himself in his autobiography. Nothing happened.
There's No Conversation To Be Had. If You're Doing Illegal Shit Who Cares When They Catch You, You Shouldn't Have Been Doing Wrong In The First Place. The Victim Act Is Overplayed
Fair enough. Now, let's shine a light at the top execs who runs the industry and taught them everything they know, whose done worse for far longer, turned a blind eye and covered things up and also at other genres such as rock, country, etc. and finally at actors (not named Bill) who have been accused but somehow go unscathed.
There is 10000% more situations for SA’s in the EDM scene than there is in Hip Hop, but there will never be such a direct attack like you see on EDM, for obvious reasons.
Social Media and camera phones make it easy for the FEDs to go back and listen to rumors and gossip and put together a timeline with videos and pictures tell a STORY compelling enough to issue a warrant for an indictment.
Diddy been doing this over 30yrs ( yes) we know ..... Flip saying they been knew about Diddy and waited to line them all up at once and start knocking them off when they was ready.... It's to many at once dying or getting lock up .... Yea it's a war on hip hop the hard way(pause)
Not just Hip Hop but on the influence that hip hop has created. Those Business Netwoking Events and Brunches that they have reduced down to “Freak Off” Parties were places where a lot of Rich and “Influentialy” Poweful Blacks were coming together and sharing resources that could effect change. HAD TO put a stop to that.
Britney then followed by Justin because of how he spoke on her for example are pop stars that had their name dragged through the mud. It's not a Hip Hop thing - it's a being in the public eye thing.
I feel like some on here don’t LISTEN to others. They have their viewpoint & start from there. What Ish took from Ice & said it’s a horrible analogy he wasn’t comparing the 2 & made a good point off the TWO DIFFERENT things he was referencing…
And Mel out of all of them should know because she was literally in those circles back then. She low-key be trying to tell them but they be clowning and talk over her sometimes
@@cald4aprps628Other genres aren’t as popular NOW as much as rap is, and also what rock artists haven’t been vilified or prosecuted when they are in the media? For every fan defending R-Kelly, I didn’t see ANYONE defend Ian Watson or Davie Vanity.
I actually agree... sort of... I also feel like Diddy messed with the wrong person, like a more powerful person... Also I do feel like Uncle Sam is behind this for some reason trying to take down hip hop and all rich powerful minorities slowly but surely...
"Multiple truths can coexist," and with that said, there's DEFINITELY some snake ish at play. Hopefully, we'll get some (direct) answers sooner than later. **fingers crossed**
If you believe there's an "attack on hip hop" think about who's doing it. Kendrick v drake, cassie v puff, nba youngboy v inteligence, thug v lucci, durk v quando.... Only Jay z can say powers from the outside are looking to hurt him.
How old is Flip? He sounds like someone who wasn't alive in the 80s. Rock was vilified, attacked, maligned, censored, and investigated. There were politicians and preachers who made entire careers off of bashing rock. There were Congressional hearings about it being a corrupting influence! And since most of the show's listeners are younger as well, they will accept his premise.
Country music has been beating da shit out women from da beginning nobody is talking about dat but yall realize that yall get views from talking down on black men dats all dis is & im glad flip see it but I don’t expect for nobody else up there to notice because they love white women
FLIP IS ON POINT !!! YALL MISSING HIS POINT AND VIEW OF THIS. We all understand that nasty people need to be dealt with but the RATE at how FAST they coming is BACK TO BACK. Besides Flip I feel like the rest of the cast is starting to be immune to our people getting sent away. Kinda sad and I kinda wish Joe's input was here.
There was a show on Adult Swim called Metalocalypse that had an episode where a Clown Themed RockStar had relations with a minor and got arrested. It was pretty funny at the time especially me being 12ish when i got put on to the show. Never thought anything of it. I am now a touring musician and session guitar player and have met quite a few legends ranging from Rock, Metal, Motown, etc. Wont name any names but there are countless stories of LEGENDARY rock bands (Think Led Zepellin, Aerosmith, etc) that were hosting freak offs before Diddy. Not to take anything away from Diddy's crimes or victims of him, but Diddy learned it from the Rock Stars. Many of the young women following the bands around who were groomed never even knew they were being groomed.
Diddy said Cassie was trying to get money from him since they broke up. We know about it because New York allowed people to sue after the statute of limitations had passed.
Ish and everyone else needs to stop pretending like Kendrick made up rumors about Drake being a pedo. The stories have been out there a long time but people just ignored it. He gave Drake extremely heavy handed hints of the direction he would go if Drake tried to get personal. Drake underestimated how all those scattered stories would looked and discussed all together.
Nah Flip spittin facts. Hip hop is making a ton of money. these artist (because of technology) are gettin into a space where the labels are not as necessary and I think the labels are trying to hurt the industry back into their control. These major acts have money and influence to be independent or fund independence and change the landscape of the industry and there’s so much information and accessibility that labels can’t control it. They’re being phased out and they’re trying to keep control. They only lose so much because they own the masters and humans are gonna stream your music no matter what’s going on especially if you’re consider a great or a giant. Hollywood, sports entertainment, even other genres of music still need the “labels” to execute on a major level
Not ignoring or discrediting the stupid or horrendous things these ppl did but I think there’s a smear campaign happening to fund whatever is against them in hopes that control returns to label
Every artist getting locked up, smear campaigns, lyrics used in cases etc. Diddy terrible example. But Thugga, Durk, Drake, Jay-Z, the build up of Kendrick etc.
It’s both ways. The music industry will keep an artist out of jail to make more money, but they also keep that artist out of jail to influence more people to do what that artist is showcasing…
Low-key joe budden needs to take. A episode off a month and let the cast rock out . They vibing
I totally agree with you...
I only watch for JB. Even when he's outta touch, his interactions are notable beyond the conversation being had
@@kaliefhampton2483Yeah there’s a level of entertainment he adds that’s missing when he’s not there. Without him it’s all too kumbaya…
@@kaliefhampton2483 sure but parks and the others on the pod give perspective too certain topics just a well they just don’t talk as much. They have the ability to hold it down without joe, and y’all be shitting on joe stepping on good topics then be switching up when he leave 😂😂
Fact lol
I like the chemistry when Joe is not around interjecting every ten seconds. Runs very smoothly.
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Man, same here. He could stay on vacation.
They completely missed Flip's point. Having two totally different conversations lol
Media controls minds. This is a perfect display of that.
Flip didn't have a point. Literally what is being attacked? There is bad people being outed, that's literally all that's happening. If you want to bring up Drake, that was a battle. If you want to bring up jay Z, that's literally either a woman chasing a pay day (which happens with all celebrities) or a legit concern. If you want to bring up Diddy, well. You be the judge. What's the attack? The industry is filled with criminals or wanna be criminals lol. What world are you living in?
@DieTryingK You missed the point too.
@@RSM0692 There is no point. Stop getting high.
@@DieTryingK 👍🏾
I think he’s just trying to say……why only hip hop? For every Diddy there is an Elvis
U can't tell me there's no creeps or scumbag in rock, pop, country, and everything else, period
Its a double standard. They had the sax, drog, rock and roll mantra. Used to trash hotels and abuse women per business as usual. Easy to prosecute “minorities”
Bruh...😂😂😂
Word! They used to mutilate Animals on stage & shi
They be getting caught to its just that nobody cares. Its not news
thats the point flip was making. But in fake feminist fashion mel tried to hijack his point
I completely understand where Flip was coming from. He just wasn’t able to articulate it right and he didn’t want to sound like he was insensitive to the situation. But I’m surprised on how oblivious and naive the rest of the cast was, to that point. Dr. Umar should’ve been there to break it down.
Trust they are just podcasting and they know but this is a debate to create content 💯
agreed
No. He's stupid
Black people gotta stop with this dr umar nonsense. Umar still aint built that school and he built his entire reputation off dissing other black men.
Facts. They pretended to not get it because they are part of the nonsense. Anyone with common sense can see the correlation but they are afraid to acknowledge it in fear of their fan base canceling them. Aside from the Cassie incident there's no actual evidence of slot of the allegations against Diddy or Jay but because of who they are they're already guilty. It's called "Herd mentality ".
MISSED FLIPS ENTIRE POINT! Smh lol there’s other genres that have many ACTUAL rapist, pedo’s, criminals and druggies .. none being highlighted the way they’re doing Hip Hop artist. All the other shi is a whole diff discussion
Absolutely, old boy who’s a rockstar was married to a minor just like Rkelly.
We get the point. The bigger point is don’t give people ammunition to attack you
Because they aren't putting it in their records who you gonna bust the shoplifter telling you he's shoplifting or the shoplifter hiding in the shadows
Factory & niggas ignored that to say our ppl should still be locked up but what about they ppl was the real discussion that never got off
You put druggies in with rapists and pedos? LMAO all artists are druggies but not all of them are the other 2, and the ones that are should be held accountable
@8:19 theres a nasty element in rock and roll, metal, pop etc. Will they investigate country music like they are doing rap?Will rock get investigated for the "Rockstar life" of drugs, sex, and rock and roll? If rap is truly under attack then all genres should be investigated!
MAYBE they shouldn't brag about it on records leading to investigations them rock n roll boys the real G's moving in silence
@@jordanflores5687 Moving goalposts. Either it's about cleaning up the industry or it's not. Rock artist absolutely have had accusations come out but the media looks the other way.
@@cald4aprps628 Rock is not mainstream anymore so the media is not interested, it doesn't generate clicks. The lostprohets dude will get talked about in rock publications and by rock youtubers but the mainstream media is not going to pick it up because most people don't know who that is.
@@SoundsOfTheWild3 The media can make anything a THING. In the 90s, rock was huge, Aerosmith, GNR, Metallica etc. The media can reach back and parade them around, just look at how they dug into the archives for B. Cosby. The reality is they don't want to paint a genre and those associated with it as predators.
What in the world are you talking about? Hip hop is the clear #1 genre right now. “Sex,Drugs and Rock n Roll” was a 80’s-90’s based statement/song. You wanna investigate something that holds no barring right now.
It's exactly what Katt Williams said it was about deviants being exposed. He ain't lie.
It’s good when a pod can thrive when the host/celeb isn’t there
There is absolutely an attack on HipHop, but it’s not because of RnR... Blk moguls (Jay, Diddy, Dre, Snoop, 50, to name a few) are starting to think ownership and it’s boxing the YT leeches out.. They are strategically dismantling hiphop in retaliation.. The answer to defeat it is to come TOGETHER… stop all the lil boy and girl goofy stuff.
Before the YT people let you own some shit they will destroy it! Just look outside its in their nature and in the process they will destroy you!
Snoop knows this and is playing the game. They got that body over his head.
You a smarty , most people gonna think your crazy , just remember they are the crazy ones and lost
"YT leeches" Pipe down lil man, they wouldn't be moguls with large net worths if it wasn't for Whites, because majority of the sales are from White consumers. Also, the ones that run the record labels are not White, they're jewish.
Facts! It's about people stop BSing and keep it a buck. This should of been the move since Public Enemy's fight the power song. And this is the tsunami wave to get Black Americans out of Hip-Hop altogether. And gentrify it with more black immigrants and YTs
These people are not our leaders that's the first mistake
Correct
This is not the platform to find leaders. This is entertainment man. At the most this here is a gossip column channel. This os not a news channel.
Hip Hop is a the new Mandingo Brawl(Slave fights) of old.
Rappers are trained to tear each other down in service to their masters. This creates disunity within the community in and around the music/culture. Making it easy for outside elements to knock off the current and future leaders at will.
Btw. Jay Z always reminds us that he is not a rapper.
Imagine hip hop reaping the bullshit it’s been sowing
@@mookieblaelocker6504 Let's do rock now.
Let’s do metal now
Well Said
@robertwashington9651 you don't care about metal. And the mainstream media doesn't either
@ this be flying over yall heads the point is there is scandals and sick shit in the industry in general but in hip hop it is forecast and broadcasted and national news and no other genre that has ever been investigated. It’s pretty simple. So yes there’s always been an attack I wonder why hmmmm
Flip and Ish just have a problem with accountability. You can’t use “the hood” as an excuse forever
Maybe true, but where's the accountability across the board.
@@VMitch-ng7tg No one wants to answer this very pertinent question.
It’s not an attack on Hip Hop, it’s an attack on the ignorance and 🧢 that’s heavily relied upon by the music industry. Ppl are tired it’s like the fake and phony gets rewarded while the real and solid gets silenced bc aesthetically they may not fit the bill.
Which is hip-hop
@ if you meant What is hip hop, I’ll say it’s the story of black culture told by individuals that have the skills to put that story in rap format, hip hop has to be authentic not right or wrong just TRUE, and there’s a big difference in hip hop & rap Hip Hop is the vehicle rap is the engine
Agreed.
@PrettyBleu well count me as part of the problem. If you cant pass an eye test, I don't care what you have to say on a mic. I'll give you a song or 2 but I can do without MF Doom or XXXtenacion (no disrespect to the dead, they just happen to be great examples of my point). You cant weigh 145 lbs and tell me how you beat dudes down. You cant look lame and tell me how cool you are. Just me
@@PrettyBleu yo well said man finna post this on my story🔥🔥
This is also in Rock Music as well. becuase flip dont cosume it he wouldnt know. Jerry Lee Lewis Elvis Motley Crew were known to have wild hotel parties. the Warped Tour myspace scene had abuser and they got called out and handled.
Right...he just doesn't follow stuff about them because he's a hip hop head...Garth Brooks literally just had a case against him around the same time all the Diddy stuff dropped but it got overshadowed and then swept under the rug. Hurt my heart because I love him and Trisha
How many of them got raided and then sent to jail with no bail how many times Leo decaparío or Vince McMahon been locked up.
rock music hasnt been relevant in 20 years. you literally going back half a century.
@@johnnyonthespot9370 This is the question.
@SI-cd7xs B. Cosby hadn't been relevant either, but that didn't matter.
One main difference that they don't look at- the audience.
The rock audience doesn't react the sameway that the rap audience does. The rap audience is far more internally destructive than rock and pop
Which is why Jazz and Rock were given away for free in the first place. Black artistry has a term limit before it needs more white inspiration 😊
To help flip out a little : So none of the pop stars, rock stars, country stars are predatory ? Involved in illegal activity? No rumors or accusations of perverse or inappropriate behavior ?
Thank you!!!! Someone gets it.
I like both Kdot and Drake but this idea that equating someone saying you beat ya wife or ya wife stepped out on you to calling someone a PDF is crazy. One is just embarrassing, especially if you and your women both know its not true. The other is something way different
People in prison. what most would consider as the lowest in society, won't even let you put that jacket on someone without paperwork
They’re both abuse and domestic violence is serious and is far more than just embarrassing. It’s violence. Did you not see the Diddy and cassie video? and yes that stain on Kendrick would have ruined his reputation as he is applauded for being open and not a shame to share his flaws. And Drake brought up liking young girls first in that Taylor song, so, what does that say?
@@OfteninLondon Word. The biggest, weirdest thing I have ever heard is when Drake told Kendrick to talk about him liking young girls… wtf is we doing?? You’re baiting this guy to talk about the suspect behavior that’s been making waves for a few years now so you can bring up a mediatakeout report from 2013 because that’s where you wanna take the battle? Why not go bar for bar on a normal fade like a Jadakiss would? What agenda do you have to want to take this battle to image destroying territory?
@@RasSimbaThat’s hip hop for you. Beefs always turn into smear campaigns it feels like.
@@RasSimbahe was talking about what was being said on here “girls under 25” not ped ish.. Not even remotely close to the same thing.
drake said it first. he called himself a creep. he knew what the whispers were about his inappropriate activities. Kendrick didn't make that tea up
Melyssa Ford can be off the podcast and I wouldn’t miss her.
BIG FACTS
@5:50 that is an great analogy, ish sensitive was activated because he part of the drizzyboys squad
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Low key, imma warn you once. You step on my J's, again imma slap you. Facts 😂
It was a terrible anology!.. one is a fact and one is made up rumors
@@djane1006 so all the photos and videos of Drake kissing underaged girls are rumors too?
can't make up rumors when there's video proof of drake with a minor and many other creepy things with receipts. No lies, just many people in denial in hope for drake to bounce back, something that will not happen.
All due respect hip hop has been the top genre for well over 15 years now they only felt comfortable admitting it in 2017. Rock fans will even tell you rock is dead rn. Hip hop has plenty of people with their nose clean but every 20 years the deviants are yesteryear are exposed when they are no longer valuable to the institution of mainstream media. You're looking for collusion in the wrong place here. We have more info than ever so we're just able to figure out things faster and the clock ran out on some of these monsters within the culture. But people could have told you this was coming in fact they did Joe budde said on this very podcast years ago what was gonna happen to Drake. Y'all just don't be listening. Jaguar wright been telling y'all about Diddy for years, you just ignore the signs until they get locked up.
I'm assuming Flip was saying we're being targeted more because hip hop is now deemed as a normalized sound in mass media. In order to continue making money off of us, they take out those pillars (regardless of morality) that help it stand.
Blues, Jazz, Soul, R&B artistry is all rooted in pain, poverty mixed with talent and creativity. Difference is old school Black stars presented themselves as entertainers in public and kept personal issues very private.
Hip hop embraces thug culture but suddenly the fans act surprised when these thug rappers get found out
Flip just saw somebody take online and ran with it like he researched it😂🤣😂
Sh💩 that’s every podcaster and gossip RUclipsr. No one is coming to their own conclusions. He probably trying to speak on what Dr.Umar was saying, but he doesn’t have the knowledge or acumen to do so.
@@TriggaTreDayfacts when he said I had a Eureka moment I Fell out 😂😂😂
@@MrNightrider1978 🤣🤣🤣
For years Hip Hop has made a living about making music about rape, murder, illegal drug selling and a host of other nefarious acts. Now that Hip Hop is being investigated it’s a conspiracy?
It is when other genres and industries have done the same and aren't being investigated or to the same extent. See Diz nee
@@cald4aprps628What other genres are singing about the dirt they’re doing like rap? Hip-hop is an easy rock to turn over because it’s built off STREET CRED. You will barely find that in other genres.
@eastwaters4082 I see your point, but it's also not hard to investigate a network/channel that's had allegations since its inception. Yet, it's still standing.
@@cald4aprps628 One or two bad apples in the rock genre will sink the band, not the genre. That’s the difference. An attack on a singer that was caught being a PDF isn’t a monolith and fans see, you remember when R-Kelly was charged? The public testimony was “separate the art from the artist.”
Rock music is full of Misogyny, talk of Sex with minors, drug use, criminal activity and all sorts of nefarious and some evil behavior but go on.
I prefer cleansing of hip hop, going back to the roots but go off
Exactly, it was so much going on in the 90's I missed stuff and I'm 47 and was a FAN!!!! It was conscientious rap, women empowerment, gangsta rap, lover boy rap, silly rap came later... but all in all it wasn't bad as it was now.
I’m glad they highlighted the rappers who are stand up like Jada and Nas
For now…. All it takes is one accusation smh. Do you ppl not get it?!
I think people should really stop trying to be a criminal and still have a online presence they don't even need to view your story's anymore all that gotta do is view where your location was on that day
These lawsuits are not in Music, it is in HipHop. That is the problem.
Hip hop over the years has been missing the true essence that it once had. There’s street gangs and people who don’t have a real musical talent and they have given these artists a chance to shine and this comes with issues. People have taken the music for granted. Now you don’t enjoy it but only for a minute. There’s rap songs that we can enjoy for years. Nowadays they just put out anything. I want music 🎶 that we can enjoy again ❤
Flip is saying the other genres don’t get put on blast like hip hop/rap
Crazy how they trying so hard to discredit Flip and act like they don’t know what he’s saying….. he’s saying these people deserve what they’re getting but for as long as these people have been evil, why has it taken so long to start getting them and is it now because hip-hop has taken over the number 1 spot.
To add, when are they going to go after the other bad actors, not in r&b and hip hop?
I'm not opposed to the Diddy' and Jay-Z's getting their day, if they committed those acts. They sold the community and artists out time and time again to the people who are now taking them down.
However, if it's about justice, then get to sweeping in other genres, too.
The people being exposed in our music culture sadly had to be stopped. The point is that this is not happening on this level to the people they work for and we're in cahoots with
They’re missing his point. She keeps focusing on Diddy. What about jayz n drake? It does feel like a smear campaign is all he’s saying because of the back to back shit
Oh no they’re getting rid of the pedophiles and abusive gate keepers, what are we gonna do yall?!
@@MichaelWoodsMedia Good. Keep it going in other genres besides rap & r&b is all is asked. Should be easy enough to do if it's about cleaning up the industry.
Rock hasn't been nearly as publicized outside of the biggest bands like LP, FOB, Paramore, Muse, and Panic! At the Disco. There have been so many bands with rape and statutory allegations that led to bands ending their careers or a key member leaving. It's not a popular genre compared to rap, pop, country, and EDM.
Flip was trying too say these things are going on in different genre's of music...but only hip hop is going thru allegations back too back
Let's talk The Temptations David Ruffin died of a drug overdose, Eddie Kendricks died of alcoholism, and another died of poor health. As long as you making money
Eddie died from lung cancer. Paul killed himself off of alcoholism
“ACCORDING TO NEILSON..” 👏👏😂
To say something wasn’t “accepted” as opposed to “overlooked” when these cats did this to so many people and all these people “knew” is a pretty wild take Melyssa
For every Diddy there is a Leonardo DiCaprio there is a Vince McMahon there is a thousand people who were at those parties doing the same thing as well. Where is the accountability or is it selective outrage.
Dude in the blue hat is trying to actually paint Drake as a PDF
What behavior, though? So we just judge people by public opinion now? Why go to court now. What if, by a slight chance they are innocent, no what?
They didn’t even let Flip speak his point gotdammit😒
its been a big hate train lately on hip hop & the culture lately not just by other races but ourselves aswell we shit on our own we have no pride we more leaders to speak 🗣 they always want to talk about the bad side of hip hop when that was our way out of poverty
Nah bruh the powers that be not protecting nothing they just use a throw away when they finish with you
One day somebody at Adobe will get wind of Drake being called a PDF file and want that connection severed. lol
They act like the attack on black entertainers started this year with Diddy and drake. Shit been going since hip hop started.
Them boys ain’t victims . Like they say for every 3 nasty mf it’s 100 mf we don’t talk about who should get highlighted
Or maybe Black men can hold themselves accountable
Hip hops BEEN attacked and battered when you insert the likes of, Nikki, latto, cardi, sexy red, etc. We'll never get another Lauryn out of this generation of hip hop.
First of all it’s Nicki and not Nikki. Keep Nicki out of it because even Lauryn hill said she like what Nicki has done as an artist. And her advice to Nicki was to keep going.
Even the reality of Hill wasn’t consistent with how she was living at the time it was coming out.
Why are you putting this Christian music moralism to HIP HOP? If you want a sinless singer why don't you go listen to gospel ?
We gotta stop looking for an outside boogeyman. Sometimes the cal is coming from inside the house
Plenty of rock scumbags that have been doing the same thing. I’m a rock and metal guy as well as a huge hip hop fan and have studied the scenes over my life and how people have moved and I can definitely tell you that the metal community has seen some extreme toxicity for a long time now. The crazy thing is that it’s all well known knowledge whether it’s in documentaries or movies or books! 3/4 of Motley Crue for 40 years have gotten away with this stuff. I mean Vince drunk drove and killed a guy and basically got away with it in the 80’s. Anthony Kiedis from Red Hot Chili Peppers had relationships with women significantly younger than him and he told on himself in his autobiography. Nothing happened.
There's No Conversation To Be Had. If You're Doing Illegal Shit Who Cares When They Catch You, You Shouldn't Have Been Doing Wrong In The First Place. The Victim Act Is Overplayed
true and based
Jerry Lee Lewis was married to a minor and no one batted an eye. He should be in the same boat as Rkelly.
Fair enough. Now, let's shine a light at the top execs who runs the industry and taught them everything they know, whose done worse for far longer, turned a blind eye and covered things up and also at other genres such as rock, country, etc. and finally at actors (not named Bill) who have been accused but somehow go unscathed.
Because at that time it was still kind of normal@@WeezyApologist
@princemwamba5230 Nah, B. Cosby had been off the scene for 20 years, and his accusations were from the 70s, and they reached back for him.
There is 10000% more situations for SA’s in the EDM scene than there is in Hip Hop, but there will never be such a direct attack like you see on EDM, for obvious reasons.
Very good point, but unfortunately the entire EDM scene may be drugged out so how can anything be proven?
Social media, and camera phones make it hard to hide your dirt as a public figure.
Social Media and camera phones make it easy for the FEDs to go back and listen to rumors and gossip and put together a timeline with videos and pictures tell a STORY compelling enough to issue a warrant for an indictment.
Right… that’s why Jay z fake accuser’s story makes no sense, GTFOH. It’s a witch hunt at this point.
Diddy been doing this over 30yrs ( yes) we know ..... Flip saying they been knew about Diddy and waited to line them all up at once and start knocking them off when they was ready.... It's to many at once dying or getting lock up .... Yea it's a war on hip hop the hard way(pause)
Not just Hip Hop but on the influence that hip hop has created. Those Business Netwoking Events and Brunches that they have reduced down to “Freak Off” Parties were places where a lot of Rich and “Influentialy” Poweful Blacks were coming together and sharing resources that could effect change.
HAD TO put a stop to that.
Your content is life-changing. The humility in your delivery adds so much value.
Britney then followed by Justin because of how he spoke on her for example are pop stars that had their name dragged through the mud. It's not a Hip Hop thing - it's a being in the public eye thing.
Flip rub his belly pause when he thinks😂😂😂
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They talked about diddy and hov but what about r Kelly his catalog is crazy and should be going back to him soon
I feel like some on here don’t LISTEN to others. They have their viewpoint & start from there. What Ish took from Ice & said it’s a horrible analogy he wasn’t comparing the 2 & made a good point off the TWO DIFFERENT things he was referencing…
If there wasn't laundry to begin with...I agree with Mel. Chickens coming home to roost.
yes and no. the jay thing has been coming out to be a false accusation. its a literal smear campaign going on.
I totally agree with Mel.
And Mel out of all of them should know because she was literally in those circles back then. She low-key be trying to tell them but they be clowning and talk over her sometimes
@deedelrio7744 There's laundry everywhere, but for some reason, a light is being shined on rap as if other genres were/are squeaky clean.
@@cald4aprps628Other genres aren’t as popular NOW as much as rap is, and also what rock artists haven’t been vilified or prosecuted when they are in the media? For every fan defending R-Kelly, I didn’t see ANYONE defend Ian Watson or Davie Vanity.
Yoo Flip, if you see this comment, just know we understand exactly what you are saying even if the cast was kind of missing the point initially
The point is: none other genre's artists receive the same media attention or notoriety as hip-hop with these issues.
The ROCK STARS ESPECIALLY PUNK ROCK STARS ARE WAYYY WORSE THAN WHAT A RAPPER IS DOING
They’re from organized communities. Hip Hop is from the hood. The government has had their eye on the hood since forever.
What rock artists are singing about putting somebody’s family in body bags, or running trafficking rings? I’ll wait.
Idk what Joe is but yall stepping tf up right now!!!!
I actually agree... sort of... I also feel like Diddy messed with the wrong person, like a more powerful person... Also I do feel like Uncle Sam is behind this for some reason trying to take down hip hop and all rich powerful minorities slowly but surely...
Not just hip hop but all black music especially RnB
What jazz artists are being dragged through the mud right now? 😂
"Multiple truths can coexist," and with that said, there's DEFINITELY some snake ish at play. Hopefully, we'll get some (direct) answers sooner than later.
**fingers crossed**
If you believe there's an "attack on hip hop" think about who's doing it.
Kendrick v drake, cassie v puff, nba youngboy v inteligence, thug v lucci, durk v quando.... Only Jay z can say powers from the outside are looking to hurt him.
that might've been where they misstepped tbh. jay z has the power to fight back that others don't.
Don't do dirt. Make your art and go home.
MAKE YOU ART AND GO TF HOME. It’s not that hard.
How old is Flip? He sounds like someone who wasn't alive in the 80s. Rock was vilified, attacked, maligned, censored, and investigated. There were politicians and preachers who made entire careers off of bashing rock. There were Congressional hearings about it being a corrupting influence!
And since most of the show's listeners are younger as well, they will accept his premise.
He clearly said multiple times since 2017 when hip hop became the #1 genre. & here you trying to dig up something from half a century ago.
@mannyhayes707 cool you should give the timestamps where he "clearly" said he's only talking about a recent seven-year period of rock music
Country music has been beating da shit out women from da beginning nobody is talking about dat but yall realize that yall get views from talking down on black men dats all dis is & im glad flip see it but I don’t expect for nobody else up there to notice because they love white women
Country music gas been beating women is just a wild statement. Do you have facts or just emotions?
Darius Rucker and Johnny Cash beat women? Yeah okay bro.
why is everything comin’ out now “when hip hop is number 1” most of these things happened years ago but they only come out when hip hop is powerful !
FLIP IS ON POINT !!! YALL MISSING HIS POINT AND VIEW OF THIS.
We all understand that nasty people need to be dealt with but the RATE at how FAST they coming is BACK TO BACK.
Besides Flip I feel like the rest of the cast is starting to be immune to our people getting sent away. Kinda sad and I kinda wish Joe's input was here.
charlie sheen nasty nasty. went away quietly
Take a shot of tequila everytime Flip says, “Let me say this”
There was a show on Adult Swim called Metalocalypse that had an episode where a Clown Themed RockStar had relations with a minor and got arrested. It was pretty funny at the time especially me being 12ish when i got put on to the show. Never thought anything of it. I am now a touring musician and session guitar player and have met quite a few legends ranging from Rock, Metal, Motown, etc. Wont name any names but there are countless stories of LEGENDARY rock bands (Think Led Zepellin, Aerosmith, etc) that were hosting freak offs before Diddy. Not to take anything away from Diddy's crimes or victims of him, but Diddy learned it from the Rock Stars. Many of the young women following the bands around who were groomed never even knew they were being groomed.
Editor clipped the end off at JUST the right moment to leave y’all wanting to see/hear more...
Theres bad ppl in every genre but rap is very boastful..so to Them, they’re “uppity ninjas”..if u kno wat i mean
Flip with the great question and the crew not understanding/responding appropriately
Accountability is a attack on hip hop. Lol
Diddy said Cassie was trying to get money from him since they broke up. We know about it because New York allowed people to sue after the statute of limitations had passed.
"I appreciate the contribution of each and every member of the team" I hope yall know what Joe meant. 😂😂
Ish and everyone else needs to stop pretending like Kendrick made up rumors about Drake being a pedo. The stories have been out there a long time but people just ignored it. He gave Drake extremely heavy handed hints of the direction he would go if Drake tried to get personal. Drake underestimated how all those scattered stories would looked and discussed all together.
Good stuff Flip! I like this thinking point..
Nah Flip spittin facts. Hip hop is making a ton of money. these artist (because of technology) are gettin into a space where the labels are not as necessary and I think the labels are trying to hurt the industry back into their control. These major acts have money and influence to be independent or fund independence and change the landscape of the industry and there’s so much information and accessibility that labels can’t control it. They’re being phased out and they’re trying to keep control. They only lose so much because they own the masters and humans are gonna stream your music no matter what’s going on especially if you’re consider a great or a giant. Hollywood, sports entertainment, even other genres of music still need the “labels” to execute on a major level
Not ignoring or discrediting the stupid or horrendous things these ppl did but I think there’s a smear campaign happening to fund whatever is against them in hopes that control returns to label
Jadakiss being a stand up dude respect his appearence on The Adam Friendland show was top
Flip, if you're reading the comments, I understood the point you were making and I agree with you!
Elvis was with pricilla when she was a "young" female.... All known in music and image protected to this day 🤔
Every artist getting locked up, smear campaigns, lyrics used in cases etc. Diddy terrible example. But Thugga, Durk, Drake, Jay-Z, the build up of Kendrick etc.
Accepted was the perfect word lol
7:41 THIS GUY GETS IT
Danny from The Stop got Flip tryna prove he’s an A Mic😂😂😂
Or maybe when you reach a certain amount of power, you push to see what you can get away with and that's why it's all the "top acts" in the genre
I have literally never agreed with that light skinned dude. It’s to the point where I just start to shake my head when he speak
I love that the guy in the black told it right! You can’t say there’s an attack on hip hop when the guys that he mentioned doing foul shit.
Guys, it's always been there. Pop and rock. Never been talked about
It’s both ways. The music industry will keep an artist out of jail to make more money, but they also keep that artist out of jail to influence more people to do what that artist is showcasing…