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Also Mary there is a Difference between the U.S. Army, and the U.S. Marine Corps (This movie is Focused on the Marine Corps) and another thing the Instructor was a SERGEANT not a Captain
those marines have been drafted, they did'nt volunteer for it, PT=Physical Training, full metal jacket means the bullit has a metal jacket for better penetration, pardon my french 😁 war is hell and training is very hard to make them as numb as possible, it makes them better killers
American Veteran here. R Lee Ermey's portrayal as Gunnery Sgt Hartman is the most accurate portrayal of an American Drill Sergeant in movie history. Hands down. Not judging it one way or another, just saying, it was ACCURATE.
@@TheJerbol Right? IIRC they brought him in as a consultant and then Kubrick fell in love with his entire demeanor and said "Well, I guess you're an actor now".
@@sergiogonzalez1295 I believe the story goes that Kubrick only cast him because he dressed up and came to set in character when he supposed to just be a consultant
Although R. Lee Ermey was quoted as saying that Hartman was NOT supposed to be a good DI. Any DI worth their salt would've noticed Pyle's breakdown and Section 8'd him out of the Marines.
One of the greatest experiences of my life, was getting to meet Gunnery Sergeant Ronald Lee Ermey, USMC (Ret). He played Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, in the movie. He was an absolutely incredibly cool, laid-back guy, and even thanked me for the 4 little, piddlin' years I was in the Navy. I have a great photo of myself with him. He did so much great work for veterans and for the Marine Corps. He actually said that he played the role, to show how Drill Instructors should NOT behave. RIP, Gunny.
Lee Ermey also had a pretty good career as an actor (including voice-only roles) after leaving the military, and he didn't always portray military character types although he's clearly very good in that type of role. See also: "Mississippi Burning" as well as "Seven".
And it's the only ammunition the military is allowed to use under the Geneva Convention in combat -- and I think that the idea that only one type of ammunition that it's 'legal' for soldiers to kill with is something several people have commented on. Though SEAL Team SIX and Delta Force use hollow point ammo a) because their mission is against terrorists, therefore unlawful combatants and b) because if they shoot a terrorist they don't want the bullet going straight through said terrorist to kill the civilian they're saving.
@@cypher515Pure lead and unjacketed are also allowed. As long as it is not designed to expand and fragment and cause unessesary digging trying to find pieces in thy flesh its fine by genevas. The copper jacket is just to reduce lead fouling in the barrel so you wont have to clean it more frequently.
This was definitely an anti-war film by Kubrick. I graduated from Parris Island in 1986 and drill instructors never run out of material. This entire movie was actually filmed in England. PT Is physical training.
My drill Sargeant father explained this to me perfectly in the early 80s there was serious reforms made across all military branches so you cannot be this extreme but in the Vietnam war and especially marines on their training island YES it was like that.
Marine Here, R Lee Ermey is one the best Drill Instructors put to Screen, He was Real Marine Corps Drill Instructor During Vietnam and to this day is the only Actor that Kubrick gave carte blance to for his lines! I was lucky enough to run into him at the PX at Quantico Air Station, Nicest guy ever. RIP - Ronald Lee Ermey (1944 - 2018)
the actor who plays the guy you said "you hated" Adam Baldwin is really an amazingly cool guy. I met him at a comicon in Phoenix. He was in the room where they were signing autographs, and I didn't have any extra money to pay for an autograph, but I waited in line anyway to shake hands and express my thanks for their work. At the time, I had my son with me who was in his wheel chair and his name was Adam as well. I told him that I didn't have any money for photograph by I wanted to shake his hand and tell him what a fan I was, and he asked if he could give my son a picture and he hugged him. Adam loved the attention so much.
In Firefly, he played Jayne Cobb. In the pilot episode, when he was going to interrogate the the fed cop and he passed out, Jayne says, "I was hoping to get me an ear." Definite nod to his portrayal of Animal Mother.
Civilian here but I was in JROTC in high school so I know a bit about military, but Gunny Sergeants (and E7s and ESPECIALLY E9s from other branches) are ranked as God, 😅
R Lee Ermey was in multiple interviews for this movies promotion. He stated that during the Vietnam War he'd read the military news and scan the part for fallen soilders. He said he remembers ever marine he trained and saw hundreds of their names throughout the war. After the war he retired due to the toll of losing so many marines. R.I.P. Lee! A true gentle soul inside a hard shell
I served with the USMC from 1972 until 1980, and the boot camp scenes from this movie are very accurately portrayed the way it actually was, with a few minor exceptions. Recruits were not allowed to be physically abused, although that did happen on rare occasions. Recruits also understood that boot camp was as much about preparing you mentally as well as physically. It only takes a few hours before you realize that the Drill Instructor is playing mind games to intentionally stress you out. The hardest part, I found, was keeping a straight face. The Drill Instructor insults can be extremely clever and hilarious, as R. Lee Ermey demonstrated. The "Blanket Party" depicted in the movie was also something that really happened. Recruits that were always screwing up and getting the rest of their platoon punished may experience a blanket party. Two recruits will throw a blanket over their intended victim and hold them down so they can't move, while the other recruits would insert a bar of soap into a sock, and then hit the confined recruit in order to send the screw-up recruit a message. It takes more than just a few screw-ups before a blanket party is warranted, because everyone screws up.
Had two guys in my platoon eat their Duraglit...they didn't last. Had another recruit just curl up on the 3rd Platoon parade deck and go into a catatonic state...The guy was from somewhere in South Carolina and Recruit Command got his Dad to drive up. Soon as the kid saw his Dad, he was suddenly fine. His Dad had to be restrained from going after him, as Dad had been a Vietnam vet. I helped pack his stuff up from the squad bay.
The UK had raf planes fly missions in Vietnam targeting the hoe chi min trail as well as having a very limited number of troops on the ground who were seconded to Australian and American units. A sas team was also attached to work with the American's.
"I don't know anyone in this film" Actually, you do know a few: Joker = Matthew Modine (Dr. Brenner from "Stranger Things") Sgt Hartman = R Lee Ermey (the voice of the lead toy soldier from "Toy Story") Pvt. Pyle = Vincent D'Nofrio (Kingpin from "Daredevil") Stars and Stripes officer = John Terry (Christian Shepherd from "Lost") Animal Mother = Adam Baldwin (Jayne from "Firefly")
Yes, you can. At any point in boot, you can refuse to train. During Vietnam, probably would have landed you in the brig for a few years, but you'd still be processed out. Even now they send you to a separations platoon and if the people running it feel petty, they'll draw out your separation just to force you to watch your old platoon graduate.
@@t0dd000 it will not land you in the brig in today's military you can leave at any point in basic training with no problems, after basic you are stuck.
Good Film. the urban scenes were actually filmed in London. R Lee Ermey's was also technical advisor on "An Officer and a Gentleman" and helped Louis Gossett Jr with his portrayal of Sgt Foley. which won Louis Gossett Jr. an oscar
R. Lee Ermey has stated that if he ever saw another drill instructor acting like this he wouldve corrected the situation. And any good drill instructor wouldve noticed Pile's mental health.
@@adgato75 No, he made it. He was just psychologically unfit because of the abuse and maybe a precondition to mental illness. Still, he obviously made it through training, and was very good shot. The gunner in the copter made it through bootcamp, and he's definitely psycho.
Project 100,000 aka “McNamara’s M o r o n s” was a program to allow recruits in that were below medical or mental requirements. It is a fan theory that Pile may have been one of these unfortunate recruits.
to be fair, Pyle had some boxes checked so the DEI division in the DoD passed him along. Oh, wait...1960's...nope...all of them were equally worthless to the folks pushing the war.
@@jimiewilliams7623 Pyle was def a Section 8 by the end, thanks to everything that happened. But, this was in the days where "Catch 22" became common knowledge. (You have to be crazy to serve, but they'll kick you out if you're crazy).
This is the Boot Camp my dad went through when he joined the Marines at this time. Marines are very, very tough. He was in Vietnam as well. 20 yr veteran before he retired. I was looking to join the service when I was growing up, so my dad showed me this to show me what I was gonna get myself into. I to am a 20 yrs retired veteran now. So you can see my dad didn't talk me out of it.
Hi Mary, it's great you've seen this war classic. The guy that played the Drill Instructor was an actual DI during the Vietnam War and he was originally on set as a technical advisor, but ended up getting the role. The 'Vietnam' scenes were filmed in east London!
You should review the Australian film “Danger Close” since too few people are aware Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and believe it or not Spain where there as well
American GI’s learned ALOT from the ANZACs about booby trap detection and how to neutralize them. Tunnel Rats may be famous American troops but they learned their craft from the Aussies and Kiwis
This film is about Jungian depth psychology. Starting in paradise, Paris Island, South Carolina and ending in Hell; literally the flames of war in Vietnam. Kubrick stated as much in a book interview and they outright said it in the middle of the film when Joker said, “It’s about the duality of man sir. The Jungian thing.” Private Pile is reincarnated in the second act as animal. If you study Carl Jung, the Swiss paychiatrist, who Kubrick was immersed in, you’ll understand what he said with this film.
A "paychiatrist?" Is that a comment about the price of mental health professionals? A Freudian slip regarding one of Freud's greatest rivals? How oddly appropriate.
"All they do is run and sing!" The reason for this is if you notice the cadence of the song always goes with the pace they are running/walking. It's to make sure everyone is stepping with their left and right foot at the same time and pace as everyone else in the formation.
Recommendations: "Apocalypse Now" (1979, d. Francis Ford Coppola) "Platoon" (1986, d. Oliver Stone) "Casualties of War" (1989, d. Brian De Palma) And for more Kubrick: "Dr. Strangelove" (1964) "The Shining" (1980)
the entire movie was filmed in the UK. Parris Island boot camp was a British Army base in Cambridgeshire; Vietnam city and battle was a former post industrial gasworks in east London; 'paddy fields' are the Norfolk Broads and the interiors were shot in London studios.
All the battle scenes were indeed shot at Beckon gasworks before it closed it was the largest gasworks in the world. Where the sniper scene is it is now a shopping park.
As far as I can see, there are only two shots in the movie that weren’t done in England - one shot of the graduation parade taken from the viewing stands, which was a stock shot of a real Parris Island graduation parade, and the aerial POV shot of flying over the misty jungle (not sure if that was a second unit shot or another stock shot). That Kubrick, man… he did the same with 2001 as well! Didn’t shoot a frame of it in space.
Hamburger Hill, Platoon, Born on the Fourth of July, the China Beach pilot. The best Vietnam movies are the ones made by people who were actually there.
Army vet here. The part at 13:17 is so accurate. When I was in I’ve seen our squad bays wreck for a wall locker being unlocked or for a rack not made correctly. Drill Sergeants and Drill Instructors will find ways to motivate trainees/recruits.
"if I didn't laugh, I would probably cry for them." That is actually a very crucial part of how men will cope with terrible situations like these. Things are so bad, that what else is there to do? You make fun of it. You make fun of everything. Dark and disturbing, horrible things, you make fun of it, because the alternative would be to succumb to weaknesses that could cost you your life and the lives of everyone around you.
Yes the Marine Corps training is very difficult .I am a disabled war veteran now but i am alive due to our training we lost a few men in the Iraq war.I enjoy watching movies with you.
When Pyle is on the toilet he is loading his rifle, as you said at first. "Full Metal Jacket" references the actual ammunition, military ammunition has a metal jacket that's covering a lead center. Without that jacket, the round would "mushroom" on impact, and expanding ammunition is illegal in war, so the jacket makes the round "zip" through easier.
America's involvement in Vietnam was an attempt to stop the spread of communism, which had led to a lot of chaos and violence in Russia, China, and Korea, already. America, being capitalist, was fearful of what might happen to our global economic and military influence should communism take a strong hold of the Asiatic region. The war was handled terribly. American boys were told they were going to be heroes, but they arrived in a land where, unlike WW2, you couldn't easily tell the good buys from the bad guys. This, coupled with the stresses of extreme guerilla warfare, led many American troops to take the violent approach to erring on the side of caution, and this only created more enemies among people who otherwise would have tolerated or even welcomed the Americans. Fast forward a few years, and you've got new soldiers coming into a country they were told they were saving, but the locals hate them because of what earlier Americans have done. The problem grew worse and worse. On top of this, it's the first war to be covered by reporters and journalists in the field. The American public could see the gruesomeness of war, and the blamed anyone in a uniform, no matter that individual's conduct in the war. Returning vets were spat on at the airport, called baby-killers and rapists. Also, for years, the US government lied to the public about the number of troops killed or missing in action, so morale wouldn't suffer. Journalists Woodward and Bernstein of the Washington Post discovered this and went public. This was the most poorly-managed war in American history. The waves of its consequences are still felt in parts of American society.
The thing about drill instructors is they're not supposed to be nice and friendly they're supposed to break you down so they can build you back up tougher as a Marine. And back then a lot of those guys didn't have a choice they were drafted into service and a lot of guys like joker joined that's how he became a journalist.
Im from Tennessee the first man that died in the Vietnam war is from my home town his name is tom Davis, drafted at 17 was killed within minutes of arriving in vietnam
A solid pick, even if my personal picks are more towards Kubrick’s earlier works to later ones. DR STRANGELOVE (1964) and PATHS OF GLORY (1957) are my personal favorites. Also, I heavily recommend 2 Vietnam War films directed by Oliver Stone (a veteran himself): BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY (featuring a career best performance by Tom Cruise) and PLATOON (which won Best Picture).
I went through Parris Island in 88. The basic training sequence is incredibly accurate, however, even when I went through there was no open physical abuse of recruits. A Drill Instructor may take you into the Head(bathroom)and get rough with you physically (it happened to me), but the days of open and harsh physical abuse ended after the Vietnam War. For punishment they are going to make you do various calisthenics beyond the point of exhaustion. The other recruits taking out their frustrations on a specific recruit for a multitude of reasons (called a "Blanket Party") did occur when I went through and I'm sure it happens today as well.
The idea is if you’re gonna break and snap, then they would rather you do it in that situation then before you got to a combat situation where you rescue life and potentially the life of somebody else
I watched this movie for the first time just before I went to Marine bootcamp and thought "no way." I watched it again after bootcamp and thought, "Yeah, that's pretty much it."
Mary: Clint Eastwood did a two-movie series about the battle for the island of Iwo Jima in WW2. "Flags of Our Fathers" was done in English, and done from the American perspective. "Letters from Iwo Jima" was done in Japanese, and done from the Japanese perspective on that battle.
I'm a by-product of Vietnam. I'm mostly (24%) Vietnamese, the rest of me is baltic states, irish, german mix. My grandfather was a Staff Sergeant in the Vietnam War and knocked up a local; mid war, then again at the end of the war. My mother and uncle. My Vietnamese grandmother is dead now. My grandfather came out of the war mostly level headed. He loves seeing heads explode in movies and tv shows though. Greatest thing ever to him.
Saw this in the theaters when it came out. My dad, a Navy Vietnam veteran wanted me to see it since I'd been set on being a Marine since I was a kid. He leaned over to me partway through the movie, "You still want to be a Marine?" Damn right I still wanted to be a Marine. And there's not a day that goes by that I don't miss my Corps. That sais, the hilarity of watching people today apply modern standards, morals, and sentiments to previous eras provides no end of entertainment.
Wait a minute, you don't think South Vietnam asked for help vs the communist North Vietnam? Also please understand that in Vietnam that "civilians, women and children" were weaponized against the American soldiers.
Oh boy...welcome to the Kubrick insanity version of Vietnam...it definitely makes an impression, doesn't it? I have never seen it specifically stated by Kubrick anywhere, but Private Pyle is a clear representation of a real program that the Defense Department ran in the 1960s. It was called "Project 100,000" and it was a test to see whether the mental and physical parameters for serving in the US military could be widened to make the pool of potential service people larger. Between escalation in Vietnam and all the other military commitments of the Cold War in those days, the military was concerned about a shortage of people to serve. So they started testing whether recruits who were normally just a bit below the normal standard for IQ, or emotional stability, or physical fitness could be turned into effective military personnel. The same program probably would have led to Forrest Gump being recruited and serving in Vietnam. The program had various nicknames including "McNamara's Misfits" and "McNamara's Morons" in honor of Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara.
I was in the Marines and R. Lee Ermy was spot on in his role. You don't have one of his character during boot camp, you have 3 or 4 of them and they are all as intense as Lee was. That was back in the 80's. I'm not sure about today.
@@cangaroojack this has almost always been a thing in non-mercenary, organized nation state militaries. Erase the individuality so everyone can work as one cohesive thing.
I'm glad you finally embraced Mother a little after seeing his heroics in action. It's men like him that have allowed us all to enjoy RUclips and our nice cushy lives out here....
I visited Vietnam a few years back - lovely country and people. Met a Vienamese veteran who had fought alongside US forces - he shared some incites that callenged the usual narratives. Note, it's called the "Amercan War" in Vietnam
I'm going back to Cambodia in June... so try to watch The Killing Fields as well... a 1984 British biographical drama film about the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia, which is based on the experiences of two journalists... it's just brilliant and stirring.
For the record, I was in the Army. And it is physically impossible to get live rounds off the shooting range. The drill sergeants are very strict over checking that
Not sure if anybody catches it but the scene with Pile on the firing line, when he switches magazines there’s still some live rounds left in it. This is presumably how he gets the magazine and ammo off the firing line. Only way that would happen is if the range officer was negligent or somehow missed it.
100% agreed! when i was a kid i had a VHS with a trailer of "full metal jacket" (you know, in front of the movie xD) and because of r. lee ermey's awesome and creative insults, i thought this was a comedy.
USMC 2004 here…the drill instructor was mean (as they all are) but you could tell he cared. I had some drill instructors who didn’t even truly congratulate us when we graduated.
Its likely that pyle was conscripted specifically *because* he wasn't very bright. He'd be one of the thousands of 'mcnamaras morons' that were basically a test to see how useful people like him could be in combat, to get rid of them and to essentially be expendable cannon fodder. Started as a directive straight from the US secretary of defense at the time and isn't something they like talking about these days for obvious reasons. That said, a competent DI would have recognized that pyle was starting to crack and would have gotten rid of him specifically to prevent an incident like that happening You might want to look into the movie dr strangelove as well
Mary, I joined the Marines in '75. There are many mechanisms in place with drill instructors that a mental deficiency would have been spotted in the first 10 days at the most. There were a couple of fellas in boot camp being discharged for certain problems. Pvt. Leonard Lawrence (Pyle) would not have made it to an obstacle course.
21:47 ..."This war sequences, I wonder if they were actually shot in Vietnam"... No, they weren't. The entirety of the movie was shot in England, because Kubrick had the habit of never go longer than 10 miles away from his house... Guy's a fucking legend, indeed.
Private Pyle was played by the talented Vincent D’Onofrio. Amazing character actor. I would recommend watching him in The Whole Wide World (1996) with Renée Zellweger. He also plays the Marvel villain, Kingpin. The Vietnam War was a civil war, or a war of reunification, depending on how you look at it. The communist North versus a corrupt democratic South. America was slowly drawn into the conflict. It was first military advisors then it turned into a full commitment of combat troops and everything that came with that.
The reason they look unhappy is cause they were drafted, unlike the current US military, back during the Vietnam war you could be drafted which means your number gets called and you're forced to go, like jury duty where you can die.
No one was drafted into the Marine Corps during the times represented in this film (up to Tet Offensive and battle of Hue in early 1968). The Corps didn’t take its first draftees until April 1968. Although the Corps took some draftees thereafter when needed to fill recruiting quotas, only about 10% of Marines were drafted during the entire course of the Vietnam war. The Army relied much more heavily on conscription.
@@erosson27The Navy , Coast Guard and Air Force not so much because they would get volunteers who where trying to avoid getting drafted into the army. There is a big difference between serving on a ship than on a jungle field site.
A great film about the Vietnam war you should watch is We Were Soldiers. It shows both the battle from both sides, as well as the effects of the families back home. It really sheds light on the fact that both sides were humans just following orders, and not mindless killers. It's certainly a tear jerker.
i somehow want to thank you for making this video. it was interesting - and also a little heart-wrenching - to see you genuinely react to all of this. i feel like i also experienced the movie in a new way. thank you! and yes, gunnery sgt. hartman... ngl, i saw a trailer for the movie as a kid and because of his hilarious insults (and the use of the song "surfin' bird" in the trailer), i thought this was a comedy. but r. lee ermey's portrayal is just iconic. i can't think of any other way to describe it. he really lived sgt. hartman.
To make a case for Animal Mother. While he does carry himself around as a real asshole, and engages in some hefty racial banter with 8ball, he is also the most eager to put his own life on the line in order to save 8ball. And actions speak louder than words.
All Kubrick movies from Lolita afterwards are all unique masterpieces. Each film has so many layers besides whats presented as a movie. Theres so much subtext in each movie, i have yet to see another director do what Kubrick has done. Please give each one a try
Because you are going to Vietnam, you might want to watch 1968 Tunnel Rats (2008). It covers a different type of Warfare that the Americans and Australians specialized in. If you are claustrophobic, it will definitely make you uncomfortable.
The island they keep talking about is Parris Island off the coast of South Carolina. Such a beautiful place, I have had the pleasure of visiting a few times over the years.
I would love to see Vietnam. I spent 3 weeks in Thailand once. I also want to see Penang Malaysia. You should definitely visit Da Nang. It’s supposed to have some of the best beaches in the world. It’s also close to Hoi An which is also said to be wonderful
@@goodshipkaraboudjan the food is absolutely the reason I want to go there! I had plans to get a knee replacement there but with the affordable care act I don’t need to now. THANKS OBAMA!!!
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I had the pleasure of meeting Gunny years ago. He couldn't have been more humble and kind. He was a great man. RIP Gunny. Ugh, he's not a captain, he's a Gunnery Sergeant. He's enlisted, not an officer. I believe you're missing the entire point of the "bootcamp" scene. Everything is done for a reason, everything is to become a cohesive unit. The entire point of this movie went right over your head.
'BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY'. Since you are watching Vietnam's war films and you have already reacted to some Tom Cruise films i recommend you to watch this masterpiece.
The boot camp stuff is pretty accurate as far as the way the drill instructor speaks and as well as the recruits and how they are treated. Nowadays the punching and physical violence don’t really occur from what I’ve heard, that mostly stopped a little bit before my time I believe in 2001. One of my boys in the boot camp before me was punched by an instructor from what he said and I was pushed but nothing too crazy. The verbal stuff and breaking you down, humiliation, shit talking, training is perfectly done. During my time there were always 3 drill instructors with the senior drill instructor who was Lee Ermey was usually the easiest on you although they were still tough as hell. The 2nd and 3rd hats were the ones the Senior Drill Instructor would use to truly fuck you up and get you in shape, the Senior was the one everyone wanted to impress the most. This is Marine Corps boot camp which is also the longest which is 3 months, I don’t know how long it is now. Marine Corps boot camps differs from others, and is the only service in which you can switch to another service and not have to do their boot camps.
6:00 one of the big things in the US military (speaking as someone who’s never been but has watched a LOT of stuff about it) one of the main points of bootcamp is to tear the soldiers down and kind of strip them of their humanity (kind of) and build them from the ground up as a soldier. That’s why you frequently see drill instructors getting in people’s faces and screaming insults at them.
@@GrimmEnt. It was a war. Its just as common misconception that the US was at war. The war was between North Vietnam and South Vietnam, The US was there in support of South Vietnam, and their were strict rules in how the US were allowed to participate.
@@GrimmEnt. it was a Cold War conflict. Vietnam was a colony of France. After WWII Europe was supposed to return all its colonial holdings back into sovereign nations. So the the US were there to help the French transition Vietnam into a sovereign government. Obviously the US wanted Vietnam to establish a democratic nation, but the majority of the Vietnamese elected for a communist regime with the support of China and Russia. This sparked a civil war between the democratic southern Vietnamese with the communist northern Vietnamese. The US stayed the support the south and China and Russia supported the north. Both major nations were diplomatically regulated on how they could interfere in the war between the north and the south without it escalating into a major global conflict thus turning the Cold War hot. That’s why the US was only allowed to provide very specific military support. The South just didn’t have the man power or the support to win the war, and eventually the US had to leave.
@@GrimmEnt.There is a ken burns documentary called "the Vietnam war" that will tell you everything you need to know on the subject. It's quite something.
JFC, some of these comments are maddening...Couple of things: This is about as accurate a depiction of Marine Corps Bootcamp as your gonna get from any movie... ALSO, if you weren't in the military, specifically the Marines, please refrain from speaking on it as if you were... We (veterans) can see right through you as you clearly don't know wtf you're talking about... There are far too many to call out but you know who you are... SGT USMC 6/03-6/11
It's surprising, the falsehoods people have learned and then repeat. I'd expect the false "US invasion" statement to come from someone educated in modern Vietnam, or another similar Com gov't, but not from someone outside such a place. Shaking my head in disappointed history nerd motions.
The DI s being brutal is an act of love, these DIs see how many boys they trained were dying in combat and they need to prepare them for chaos. They had no time for patience so they had to push them harder and harder . Moreover these guys were drafted so some weren't mentally or physically prepared for war.
15:04 It's called a blanket party. Here's a hint. It's definitely not a party. 22:20 I think this Marine's rank was Captain. Two parallel silver bars denote a captain's rank in all but the Navy and the Coast Guard. It's a little counterintuitive, but silver bars outrank gold bars in the officer ranks. You start out as a Second Lieutenant, eith a single vertical gold bar or "butter bar" for your rank insignium, followed by First Lieutenant, with a silver bar to show rank, followed in turn by Captain. Above Captain is Major -- that rank is denoted by a gold oak leaf cluster. Turn that to silver and you get the rank above that one, Lieutenant Colonel. An eagle with spread wings and a shield below denotes the higher rank of Colonel, referred to in usual conversation as a "full bird colonel" because Lt Colonel only has the silver oak leaf cluster. Above Colonel you have the general officer ranks, or The Generals, denoted in increasing order of superiority by the number of silver stars. One star denotes a Brigadier General, followed by Major General, then Lieutenant General (three stars), and finally "four star" General.
This has often been referred to the best half a film about the military. Referring specifically to the boot camp scenes. That is complete a credit to Ermey
Many excellent films are set in this war, including The Deer Hunter (1978), Apocalypse Now (1979), Platoon (1986), Hamburger Hill (1987), Casualties of War (1989), Born on the Fourth of July (1989), Bullet in the Head (1990), Heaven & Earth (1993), We Were Soldiers (2002), and Rescue Dawn (2006). All of these films are quite intense, and some quite graphic in their depiction of the cruelty and horror of the war, so they may not be to your liking or your taste. But they all treat the subject with the dignity it deserves.
I grew up with many children of South Vietnamese refugees in Northern California. They still hung the South Vietnamese flag in their homes and acted as though they were a nation in exile.
it's because they are.. 😂😂😂 the North Vietcongs won, they was supported by communist China and communist Russia. the south Vietnamese lost who was supported by America, UK and France, democracy lost in that war. Same thing with the American civil war, the North won and the South Confederates lost, they fled into exile In the decade after the Civil War, roughly 10,000 Southerners left the United States, with the majority going to Brazil, where slavery was still legal. (Others went to such places as Cuba, Mexico, Venezuela, Honduras, Canada
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If you want to understand why Marine training is so tough watch "The Pacific" miniseries. What these men are asked to do requires extreme toughness.
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Also Mary there is a Difference between the U.S. Army, and the U.S. Marine Corps (This movie is Focused on the Marine Corps) and another thing the Instructor was a SERGEANT not a Captain
another good one is goodmorning vietnam with the late Robin Williams, its based on a real story
those marines have been drafted, they did'nt volunteer for it, PT=Physical Training, full metal jacket means the bullit has a metal jacket for better penetration, pardon my french 😁 war is hell and training is very hard to make them as numb as possible, it makes them better killers
American Veteran here. R Lee Ermey's portrayal as Gunnery Sgt Hartman is the most accurate portrayal of an American Drill Sergeant in movie history. Hands down. Not judging it one way or another, just saying, it was ACCURATE.
Being an actual drill instructor certainly helped
@@TheJerbol Right? IIRC they brought him in as a consultant and then Kubrick fell in love with his entire demeanor and said "Well, I guess you're an actor now".
He was an actual Drill instructor in the Corp.
@@sergiogonzalez1295 I believe the story goes that Kubrick only cast him because he dressed up and came to set in character when he supposed to just be a consultant
Although R. Lee Ermey was quoted as saying that Hartman was NOT supposed to be a good DI. Any DI worth their salt would've noticed Pyle's breakdown and Section 8'd him out of the Marines.
One of the greatest experiences of my life, was getting to meet Gunnery Sergeant Ronald Lee Ermey, USMC (Ret). He played Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, in the movie. He was an absolutely incredibly cool, laid-back guy, and even thanked me for the 4 little, piddlin' years I was in the Navy. I have a great photo of myself with him. He did so much great work for veterans and for the Marine Corps. He actually said that he played the role, to show how Drill Instructors should NOT behave.
RIP, Gunny.
R Lee Ermey wasn’t just acting he was an actual Drill Sargent and he served 11 years in the Marine Corps. RIP R Lee Ermey
*Drill Instructor 🤦🏻♂️ this is the Marine Corps not the Army
Lee Ermey also had a pretty good career as an actor (including voice-only roles) after leaving the military, and he didn't always portray military character types although he's clearly very good in that type of role. See also: "Mississippi Burning" as well as "Seven".
He was an actual legend. LOVED him as an actor.
@@theoverseer3552mansplaining the mansplainer
Moral Of The Story Women Got It Good 🤣
Full metal jacket refers to a type of ammunition used by the military. The bullet is encased completely in a metal jacket.
And it's the only ammunition the military is allowed to use under the Geneva Convention in combat -- and I think that the idea that only one type of ammunition that it's 'legal' for soldiers to kill with is something several people have commented on. Though SEAL Team SIX and Delta Force use hollow point ammo a) because their mission is against terrorists, therefore unlawful combatants and b) because if they shoot a terrorist they don't want the bullet going straight through said terrorist to kill the civilian they're saving.
@@cypher515No.
@@cypher515Pure lead and unjacketed are also allowed. As long as it is not designed to expand and fragment and cause unessesary digging trying to find pieces in thy flesh its fine by genevas.
The copper jacket is just to reduce lead fouling in the barrel so you wont have to clean it more frequently.
7.62 mm full metal jacket
This was definitely an anti-war film by Kubrick. I graduated from Parris Island in 1986 and drill instructors never run out of material. This entire movie was actually filmed in England. PT Is physical training.
No.
@@jsmithers. you're not special. Sit down.
@@8Smoker8 Cry 🤡
@@jsmithers. Why? All I see is a pitiful weakling unable to make even the most basic argument. You don't make me sad little boy, you just disgust me.
@@jsmithers. No.
My drill Sargeant father explained this to me perfectly in the early 80s there was serious reforms made across all military branches so you cannot be this extreme but in the Vietnam war and especially marines on their training island YES it was like that.
While you may not expect it, Mel Gibson's"We Were Soldiers" does show both sides of this war. It's visually brutal.
Marine Here, R Lee Ermey is one the best Drill Instructors put to Screen, He was Real Marine Corps Drill Instructor During Vietnam and to this day is the only Actor that Kubrick gave carte blance to for his lines!
I was lucky enough to run into him at the PX at Quantico Air Station, Nicest guy ever.
RIP - Ronald Lee Ermey (1944 - 2018)
I had an encounter with R Lee Ermey at the bowling alley at Mainside Camp Pendleton around 1998. He was s cool dude.
Mary: Pyle is gonna die
Viewers: You have no idea
Mary: OMG, I would just quit !!
Viewers: Yeah... this generation is doomed.
@@Mr.Ekshin tbf they all should have quit
@@noracola5285 - Boy are you gonna be in for a shock when they bring the draft back and include women.
@@Mr.Ekshin 1 no I won't 2 already served 3 I'm 50 years old 4 get bent
@@noracola5285 - You seem awfully sensitive for someone who served back when I did in the 1990's.
Was it the 'Peace Corps' you served in?
the actor who plays the guy you said "you hated" Adam Baldwin is really an amazingly cool guy. I met him at a comicon in Phoenix. He was in the room where they were signing autographs, and I didn't have any extra money to pay for an autograph, but I waited in line anyway to shake hands and express my thanks for their work. At the time, I had my son with me who was in his wheel chair and his name was Adam as well. I told him that I didn't have any money for photograph by I wanted to shake his hand and tell him what a fan I was, and he asked if he could give my son a picture and he hugged him. Adam loved the attention so much.
In Firefly, he played Jayne Cobb. In the pilot episode, when he was going to interrogate the the fed cop and he passed out, Jayne says, "I was hoping to get me an ear." Definite nod to his portrayal of Animal Mother.
@@ericg7183 I've loved his performances since then.
I’ve been a fan of Baldwin's ever since 1980’s My Bodyguard.
As an ex-servicemen, Every time you called Gunnery Sergeant Hartman (the drill instructor) a Captain, I felt a twitch in my eye 😄
Same 😅
Civilian here but I was in JROTC in high school so I know a bit about military, but Gunny Sergeants (and E7s and ESPECIALLY E9s from other branches) are ranked as God, 😅
same, the usual response for calling an nco sir in some branches will get you 'who are you calling sir, I work for a living'
we can let it slide since she is an Aussie lol
@@thefallofoscar Very true 👍
R Lee Ermey was in multiple interviews for this movies promotion. He stated that during the Vietnam War he'd read the military news and scan the part for fallen soilders. He said he remembers ever marine he trained and saw hundreds of their names throughout the war. After the war he retired due to the toll of losing so many marines. R.I.P. Lee! A true gentle soul inside a hard shell
I served with the USMC from 1972 until 1980, and the boot camp scenes from this movie are very accurately portrayed the way it actually was, with a few minor exceptions. Recruits were not allowed to be physically abused, although that did happen on rare occasions. Recruits also understood that boot camp was as much about preparing you mentally as well as physically. It only takes a few hours before you realize that the Drill Instructor is playing mind games to intentionally stress you out. The hardest part, I found, was keeping a straight face. The Drill Instructor insults can be extremely clever and hilarious, as R. Lee Ermey demonstrated.
The "Blanket Party" depicted in the movie was also something that really happened. Recruits that were always screwing up and getting the rest of their platoon punished may experience a blanket party. Two recruits will throw a blanket over their intended victim and hold them down so they can't move, while the other recruits would insert a bar of soap into a sock, and then hit the confined recruit in order to send the screw-up recruit a message. It takes more than just a few screw-ups before a blanket party is warranted, because everyone screws up.
I’m going to say the “physical” abuse probably was more common the farther back in time you go
I wondered if that was why the Drill Instructor tells the recruit to choke himself
Had two guys in my platoon eat their Duraglit...they didn't last.
Had another recruit just curl up on the 3rd Platoon parade deck and go into a catatonic state...The guy was from somewhere in South Carolina and Recruit Command got his Dad to drive up. Soon as the kid saw his Dad, he was suddenly fine. His Dad had to be restrained from going after him, as Dad had been a Vietnam vet. I helped pack his stuff up from the squad bay.
The UK weren't involved in Vietnam. The only foreign boots on the ground were mainly from the US, Australia, New Zealand and Korea.
I believe the French were there from 1946-1954, but that is a whole other war in the same location.
The UK had raf planes fly missions in Vietnam targeting the hoe chi min trail as well as having a very limited number of troops on the ground who were seconded to Australian and American units. A sas team was also attached to work with the American's.
There is a fantastic Nam era film from the ANZAC perspective, starring Travis Fimmel, Film is titled Danger Close, based on real people and events.
Deeeeer the french?😢😅😂
"I don't know anyone in this film"
Actually, you do know a few:
Joker = Matthew Modine (Dr. Brenner from "Stranger Things")
Sgt Hartman = R Lee Ermey (the voice of the lead toy soldier from "Toy Story")
Pvt. Pyle = Vincent D'Nofrio (Kingpin from "Daredevil")
Stars and Stripes officer = John Terry (Christian Shepherd from "Lost")
Animal Mother = Adam Baldwin (Jayne from "Firefly")
Vincent D'Onofrio also played Edgar in Men in Black
Oh snap! That WAS Jayne!
Plus Cowboy = Arliss Howard (Peter Ludlow in "The Lost World")
@@GarrettJayChristian whoa!
@@GarrettJayChristian Whoa!
"I would just quit."
That's the thing. You can't.
The only way out is through it, or get sent to prison
@@bb.buchanan Or just fail.
Yes, you can. At any point in boot, you can refuse to train. During Vietnam, probably would have landed you in the brig for a few years, but you'd still be processed out. Even now they send you to a separations platoon and if the people running it feel petty, they'll draw out your separation just to force you to watch your old platoon graduate.
@@LucianUchiha Right. You can't steal either. Well, you can, but it might land you in the brig.
@@t0dd000 it will not land you in the brig in today's military you can leave at any point in basic training with no problems, after basic you are stuck.
At drill, instructor is a gunnery sergeant, not a captain
For everyone watching he is a Drill Instructor.
Good Film. the urban scenes were actually filmed in London. R Lee Ermey's was also technical advisor on "An Officer and a Gentleman" and helped Louis Gossett Jr with his portrayal of Sgt Foley. which won Louis Gossett Jr. an oscar
R. Lee Ermey has stated that if he ever saw another drill instructor acting like this he wouldve corrected the situation. And any good drill instructor wouldve noticed Pile's mental health.
Yeah, Pyle was 100% an obvious washout.
@@adgato75 No, he made it. He was just psychologically unfit because of the abuse and maybe a precondition to mental illness. Still, he obviously made it through training, and was very good shot. The gunner in the copter made it through bootcamp, and he's definitely psycho.
Project 100,000 aka “McNamara’s M o r o n s” was a program to allow recruits in that were below medical or mental requirements. It is a fan theory that Pile may have been one of these unfortunate recruits.
to be fair, Pyle had some boxes checked so the DEI division in the DoD passed him along.
Oh, wait...1960's...nope...all of them were equally worthless to the folks pushing the war.
@@jimiewilliams7623 Pyle was def a Section 8 by the end, thanks to everything that happened. But, this was in the days where "Catch 22" became common knowledge. (You have to be crazy to serve, but they'll kick you out if you're crazy).
This is the Boot Camp my dad went through when he joined the Marines at this time. Marines are very, very tough. He was in Vietnam as well. 20 yr veteran before he retired. I was looking to join the service when I was growing up, so my dad showed me this to show me what I was gonna get myself into. I to am a 20 yrs retired veteran now. So you can see my dad didn't talk me out of it.
Hi Mary, it's great you've seen this war classic. The guy that played the Drill Instructor was an actual DI during the Vietnam War and he was originally on set as a technical advisor, but ended up getting the role. The 'Vietnam' scenes were filmed in east London!
The fellow that was supposed to be the drill instructor ended up being the door gunner that has the line “You just don’t lead them as much”
You should review the Australian film “Danger Close” since too few people are aware Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and believe it or not Spain where there as well
I didn’t think she would actually watch this But she Did, I am So glad she Did😄
American GI’s learned ALOT from the ANZACs about booby trap detection and how to neutralize them. Tunnel Rats may be famous American troops but they learned their craft from the Aussies and Kiwis
This film is about Jungian depth psychology. Starting in paradise, Paris Island, South Carolina and ending in Hell; literally the flames of war in Vietnam. Kubrick stated as much in a book interview and they outright said it in the middle of the film when Joker said, “It’s about the duality of man sir. The Jungian thing.” Private Pile is reincarnated in the second act as animal. If you study Carl Jung, the Swiss paychiatrist, who Kubrick was immersed in, you’ll understand what he said with this film.
A "paychiatrist?" Is that a comment about the price of mental health professionals? A Freudian slip regarding one of Freud's greatest rivals? How oddly appropriate.
Pyle and Animal are nothing alike.
@@deckzone3000 they were intended as two sides of the same coin
They're both "special" if you know what I mean
Good Morning Vietnam would be a great movie for this theme!
The Ken Burns documentary series on the Vietnam War is all you need. It's long, but very good.
"All they do is run and sing!" The reason for this is if you notice the cadence of the song always goes with the pace they are running/walking. It's to make sure everyone is stepping with their left and right foot at the same time and pace as everyone else in the formation.
Recommendations:
"Apocalypse Now" (1979, d. Francis Ford Coppola)
"Platoon" (1986, d. Oliver Stone)
"Casualties of War" (1989, d. Brian De Palma)
And for more Kubrick:
"Dr. Strangelove" (1964)
"The Shining" (1980)
the entire movie was filmed in the UK. Parris Island boot camp was a British Army base in Cambridgeshire; Vietnam city and battle was a former post industrial gasworks in east London; 'paddy fields' are the Norfolk Broads and the interiors were shot in London studios.
All the battle scenes were indeed shot at Beckon gasworks before it closed it was the largest gasworks in the world. Where the sniper scene is it is now a shopping park.
As far as I can see, there are only two shots in the movie that weren’t done in England - one shot of the graduation parade taken from the viewing stands, which was a stock shot of a real Parris Island graduation parade, and the aerial POV shot of flying over the misty jungle (not sure if that was a second unit shot or another stock shot). That Kubrick, man… he did the same with 2001 as well! Didn’t shoot a frame of it in space.
@@Daveyboy100880 Same with the Moon Landings. All filmed in the UK.
@@Myndir 100%. Shot it on the Elstree backlot, right where the Overlook would stand 10 years later!
The paddy fields aren’t the Norfolk Broads, they are the salt marshes around the Thames Estuary. Either North East Kent or the Essex coast.
Hamburger Hill, Platoon, Born on the Fourth of July, the China Beach pilot. The best Vietnam movies are the ones made by people who were actually there.
Mary, you might find this interesting - The guy who played "Animal Mother" played Jayne Cobb in Firefly.
He was also in the Movie " My Bodyguard"
he was also the XO on The Last Ship and a CIA agent in Chuck amongst many other things
Also the guy who shot the alien in Independence Day.
Adam Baldwin.
@@danielshea518 Holy sh_t. I remember that now. Thx
Army vet here. The part at 13:17 is so accurate. When I was in I’ve seen our squad bays wreck for a wall locker being unlocked or for a rack not made correctly. Drill Sergeants and Drill Instructors will find ways to motivate trainees/recruits.
Also, Rambo was in the army. He wasn’t in the Marine Corps.
"if I didn't laugh, I would probably cry for them."
That is actually a very crucial part of how men will cope with terrible situations like these. Things are so bad, that what else is there to do? You make fun of it. You make fun of everything. Dark and disturbing, horrible things, you make fun of it, because the alternative would be to succumb to weaknesses that could cost you your life and the lives of everyone around you.
Also, those songs that they sing when they are running are called cadences which are meant to give them a rhythm to run to
8:43 if you were drafted quiting mean you go to prison for like 10 years
Nobody is ever prepared for that scene
Yes the Marine Corps training is very difficult .I am a disabled war veteran now but i am alive due to our training we lost a few men in the Iraq war.I enjoy watching movies with you.
Note: Australia made a TV miniseries about Australia's involvement in Vietnam, starring a young Nicole Kidman!
There also is a film called Danger Close that came out a few years back
@@shawnmiller4781 Danger Close is so underrated.
I loved Anzac Girls. About the service of the nursing corps in WW I during the Dardanelle and European campaigns.
When Pyle is on the toilet he is loading his rifle, as you said at first. "Full Metal Jacket" references the actual ammunition, military ammunition has a metal jacket that's covering a lead center. Without that jacket, the round would "mushroom" on impact, and expanding ammunition is illegal in war, so the jacket makes the round "zip" through easier.
America's involvement in Vietnam was an attempt to stop the spread of communism, which had led to a lot of chaos and violence in Russia, China, and Korea, already. America, being capitalist, was fearful of what might happen to our global economic and military influence should communism take a strong hold of the Asiatic region.
The war was handled terribly. American boys were told they were going to be heroes, but they arrived in a land where, unlike WW2, you couldn't easily tell the good buys from the bad guys. This, coupled with the stresses of extreme guerilla warfare, led many American troops to take the violent approach to erring on the side of caution, and this only created more enemies among people who otherwise would have tolerated or even welcomed the Americans. Fast forward a few years, and you've got new soldiers coming into a country they were told they were saving, but the locals hate them because of what earlier Americans have done. The problem grew worse and worse.
On top of this, it's the first war to be covered by reporters and journalists in the field. The American public could see the gruesomeness of war, and the blamed anyone in a uniform, no matter that individual's conduct in the war. Returning vets were spat on at the airport, called baby-killers and rapists.
Also, for years, the US government lied to the public about the number of troops killed or missing in action, so morale wouldn't suffer. Journalists Woodward and Bernstein of the Washington Post discovered this and went public.
This was the most poorly-managed war in American history. The waves of its consequences are still felt in parts of American society.
There are at least a couple of Private Pile’s in every boot camp
The thing about drill instructors is they're not supposed to be nice and friendly they're supposed to break you down so they can build you back up tougher as a Marine. And back then a lot of those guys didn't have a choice they were drafted into service and a lot of guys like joker joined that's how he became a journalist.
It's a (fairly) uniquely American thing. A lot of militaries elsewhere take a much more restrained approach. Different strokes
It's how you produce mindless psychotic drones
Marines were volunteers. Draftees went to the Army.
Im from Tennessee the first man that died in the Vietnam war is from my home town his name is tom Davis, drafted at 17 was killed within minutes of arriving in vietnam
A solid pick, even if my personal picks are more towards Kubrick’s earlier works to later ones. DR STRANGELOVE (1964) and PATHS OF GLORY (1957) are my personal favorites.
Also, I heavily recommend 2 Vietnam War films directed by Oliver Stone (a veteran himself): BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY (featuring a career best performance by Tom Cruise) and PLATOON (which won Best Picture).
Paths of Glory is one of my all time favorite war films.
Paths of Glory is a very good movie about a very depressing and disturbing time.
What about Clockwork Orange?
I went through Parris Island in 88. The basic training sequence is incredibly accurate, however, even when I went through there was no open physical abuse of recruits. A Drill Instructor may take you into the Head(bathroom)and get rough with you physically (it happened to me), but the days of open and harsh physical abuse ended after the Vietnam War. For punishment they are going to make you do various calisthenics beyond the point of exhaustion.
The other recruits taking out their frustrations on a specific recruit for a multitude of reasons (called a "Blanket Party") did occur when I went through and I'm sure it happens today as well.
Same here brother. Jun 88, 2nd Bn.
@@1Tankmarine
Graduated in April of 88, 1st Bn.
I was right behind you graduating Nov 88 A Co 1st Bn. PLT 1089.
I graduated boot camp in Oct 2005. Funnest experience I wasn't allowed to laugh during. Plt 3118, Kilo Co.
My grandfather was a drill instructor just like R. Lee in the beginning of the movie. He was a rough, tough SOB.
My uncle Richard was in the Vietnam war i still have the black and white pictures of him standing next to his tank and holding his 50cal rifle.
The idea is if you’re gonna break and snap, then they would rather you do it in that situation then before you got to a combat situation where you rescue life and potentially the life of somebody else
I watched this movie for the first time just before I went to Marine bootcamp and thought "no way." I watched it again after bootcamp and thought, "Yeah, that's pretty much it."
Same here. That movie came out about 2 weeks before I went to P.I.
We were soldiers is probably the most accurate one ever
Which is unusual for a Mel Gibson film
A must watch
@user-yz1id7wc7q .
She needs to watch Wall Street first
But there are a couple of American pop culture references of the time that she won’t get
@user-yz1id7wc7qWar… it’s fantastic!
Platoon craps on that pretentious mess.
Mary: Clint Eastwood did a two-movie series about the battle for the island of Iwo Jima in WW2. "Flags of Our Fathers" was done in English, and done from the American perspective. "Letters from Iwo Jima" was done in Japanese, and done from the Japanese perspective on that battle.
I'm a by-product of Vietnam. I'm mostly (24%) Vietnamese, the rest of me is baltic states, irish, german mix. My grandfather was a Staff Sergeant in the Vietnam War and knocked up a local; mid war, then again at the end of the war. My mother and uncle. My Vietnamese grandmother is dead now. My grandfather came out of the war mostly level headed. He loves seeing heads explode in movies and tv shows though. Greatest thing ever to him.
Saw this in the theaters when it came out. My dad, a Navy Vietnam veteran wanted me to see it since I'd been set on being a Marine since I was a kid. He leaned over to me partway through the movie, "You still want to be a Marine?"
Damn right I still wanted to be a Marine. And there's not a day that goes by that I don't miss my Corps.
That sais, the hilarity of watching people today apply modern standards, morals, and sentiments to previous eras provides no end of entertainment.
Australians served in the Vietnam War alongside the Americans.
As did the South Koreans, New Zealanders and Spain
Wait a minute, you don't think South Vietnam asked for help vs the communist North Vietnam? Also please understand that in Vietnam that "civilians, women and children" were weaponized against the American soldiers.
Oh boy...welcome to the Kubrick insanity version of Vietnam...it definitely makes an impression, doesn't it?
I have never seen it specifically stated by Kubrick anywhere, but Private Pyle is a clear representation of a real program that the Defense Department ran in the 1960s. It was called "Project 100,000" and it was a test to see whether the mental and physical parameters for serving in the US military could be widened to make the pool of potential service people larger. Between escalation in Vietnam and all the other military commitments of the Cold War in those days, the military was concerned about a shortage of people to serve. So they started testing whether recruits who were normally just a bit below the normal standard for IQ, or emotional stability, or physical fitness could be turned into effective military personnel. The same program probably would have led to Forrest Gump being recruited and serving in Vietnam. The program had various nicknames including "McNamara's Misfits" and "McNamara's Morons" in honor of Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara.
18:46 7.62 mm full metal jacket...its a type of bullet, lead with a copper or "full metal" jacket surrounding it.
I was in the Marines and R. Lee Ermy was spot on in his role. You don't have one of his character during boot camp, you have 3 or 4 of them and they are all as intense as Lee was. That was back in the 80's. I'm not sure about today.
Gawdayum! May i ask what the goal of being so intense and demeaning was? I ask without judgment, genuinely curious
@@cangaroojack theres many reasons but the overall point is to break you down of who you were, so they can build you up as a Marine.
@@victorclemente-mt4to That is what fascinated Kubrick about the military as aa social institution. The mind control and dehumanizing aspect of it.
@@cangaroojack Join the Marines and you can ask that question to your Drill Instructors firsthand.
@@cangaroojack this has almost always been a thing in non-mercenary, organized nation state militaries. Erase the individuality so everyone can work as one cohesive thing.
I'm glad you finally embraced Mother a little after seeing his heroics in action. It's men like him that have allowed us all to enjoy RUclips and our nice cushy lives out here....
I don't get the blurring of the guns. Guns are shown on youtube all the time.
I guess they're offensive. lol
It often leads to demonetization.
@@redrick8900 RUclipsrs are not supposed to show Firearms or accessories if it is for the purpose of selling the firearm or accessory.
I visited Vietnam a few years back - lovely country and people. Met a Vienamese veteran who had fought alongside US forces - he shared some incites that callenged the usual narratives. Note, it's called the "Amercan War" in Vietnam
The Vietnam movie holy trinity is full metal jacket, apocalypse now and platoon. All capture the utter despair and futility.
casualties of war for a bonus
I'm going back to Cambodia in June... so try to watch The Killing Fields as well... a 1984 British biographical drama film about the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia, which is based on the experiences of two journalists... it's just brilliant and stirring.
For the record, I was in the Army. And it is physically impossible to get live rounds off the shooting range. The drill sergeants are very strict over checking that
Not sure if anybody catches it but the scene with Pile on the firing line, when he switches magazines there’s still some live rounds left in it. This is presumably how he gets the magazine and ammo off the firing line. Only way that would happen is if the range officer was negligent or somehow missed it.
Da Nang is very nice. Live 10 feet from the beach for 1K$ a month. Not as hot and crowded as Saigon and not as polluted as Hanoi. Super-nice people.
"He's so mean!"😂😂 I love the drill instructor, best line's in the movie.....Wish he'd done more...
100% agreed! when i was a kid i had a VHS with a trailer of "full metal jacket" (you know, in front of the movie xD) and because of r. lee ermey's awesome and creative insults, i thought this was a comedy.
USMC 2004 here…the drill instructor was mean (as they all are) but you could tell he cared. I had some drill instructors who didn’t even truly congratulate us when we graduated.
Its likely that pyle was conscripted specifically *because* he wasn't very bright. He'd be one of the thousands of 'mcnamaras morons' that were basically a test to see how useful people like him could be in combat, to get rid of them and to essentially be expendable cannon fodder. Started as a directive straight from the US secretary of defense at the time and isn't something they like talking about these days for obvious reasons. That said, a competent DI would have recognized that pyle was starting to crack and would have gotten rid of him specifically to prevent an incident like that happening
You might want to look into the movie dr strangelove as well
Mary, I joined the Marines in '75. There are many mechanisms in place with drill instructors that a mental deficiency would have been spotted in the first 10 days at the most.
There were a couple of fellas in boot camp being discharged for certain problems.
Pvt. Leonard Lawrence (Pyle) would not have made it to an obstacle course.
Not at that time, Look into Project 100,000, also known as McNamara's 100,000, McNamara's Folly, McNamara's Morons, and McNamara's Misfits.
They weren't discharging many people during the Vietnam war, regardless of reason.
The draft had ended by 1973.
21:47 ..."This war sequences, I wonder if they were actually shot in Vietnam"... No, they weren't. The entirety of the movie was shot in England, because Kubrick had the habit of never go longer than 10 miles away from his house... Guy's a fucking legend, indeed.
Private Pyle was played by the talented Vincent D’Onofrio. Amazing character actor. I would recommend watching him in The Whole Wide World (1996) with Renée Zellweger. He also plays the Marvel villain, Kingpin.
The Vietnam War was a civil war, or a war of reunification, depending on how you look at it. The communist North versus a corrupt democratic South. America was slowly drawn into the conflict. It was first military advisors then it turned into a full commitment of combat troops and everything that came with that.
17:04 That magazine still had some FMJ rounds in it when he changed it, that's where he got the ammo. Drill Sergeant didn't notice it, unfortunately.
The reason they look unhappy is cause they were drafted, unlike the current US military, back during the Vietnam war you could be drafted which means your number gets called and you're forced to go, like jury duty where you can die.
No one was drafted into the Marine Corps during the times represented in this film (up to Tet Offensive and battle of Hue in early 1968). The Corps didn’t take its first draftees until April 1968. Although the Corps took some draftees thereafter when needed to fill recruiting quotas, only about 10% of Marines were drafted during the entire course of the Vietnam war. The Army relied much more heavily on conscription.
@@MotoNomad350 I didn't know that, I thought all the branches relied on draftees, thanks.
@@erosson27The Navy , Coast Guard and Air Force not so much because they would get volunteers who where trying to avoid getting drafted into the army.
There is a big difference between serving on a ship than on a jungle field site.
A great film about the Vietnam war you should watch is We Were Soldiers. It shows both the battle from both sides, as well as the effects of the families back home. It really sheds light on the fact that both sides were humans just following orders, and not mindless killers. It's certainly a tear jerker.
PT is "physical training".
oh no wonder i didn't know what it was
Puddin' Taine
@@winstonmarlowe5254 Whatever that is, I don't think Hartman would threaten to "puddin' taine" the recruits to death.
i somehow want to thank you for making this video. it was interesting - and also a little heart-wrenching - to see you genuinely react to all of this. i feel like i also experienced the movie in a new way. thank you!
and yes, gunnery sgt. hartman... ngl, i saw a trailer for the movie as a kid and because of his hilarious insults (and the use of the song "surfin' bird" in the trailer), i thought this was a comedy. but r. lee ermey's portrayal is just iconic. i can't think of any other way to describe it. he really lived sgt. hartman.
R.I.P. R. Lee Ermey
To make a case for Animal Mother. While he does carry himself around as a real asshole, and engages in some hefty racial banter with 8ball, he is also the most eager to put his own life on the line in order to save 8ball. And actions speak louder than words.
This is a rough film to watch, but this is the point. War is H377.
All Kubrick movies from Lolita afterwards are all unique masterpieces. Each film has so many layers besides whats presented as a movie. Theres so much subtext in each movie, i have yet to see another director do what Kubrick has done. Please give each one a try
Well said!
Hamburger Hill is my vote for a well made war film.
Because you are going to Vietnam, you might want to watch 1968 Tunnel Rats (2008). It covers a different type of Warfare that the Americans and Australians specialized in.
If you are claustrophobic, it will definitely make you uncomfortable.
The island they keep talking about is Parris Island off the coast of South Carolina. Such a beautiful place, I have had the pleasure of visiting a few times over the years.
Just don’t drink the water!
I would love to see Vietnam. I spent 3 weeks in Thailand once. I also want to see Penang Malaysia. You should definitely visit Da Nang. It’s supposed to have some of the best beaches in the world. It’s also close to Hoi An which is also said to be wonderful
Penang is great well worth a visit for a couple of days. The food is amazing but there are better beaches in other places.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan the food is absolutely the reason I want to go there! I had plans to get a knee replacement there but with the affordable care act I don’t need to now. THANKS OBAMA!!!
Didn’t know I needed this reaction
Such a handful of emotions in this film!
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@@MaryCherryOfficialfirst time i saw her respond to a comment . Chapeau to you sire
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Have a nice day bmorg.
I had the pleasure of meeting Gunny years ago. He couldn't have been more humble and kind. He was a great man. RIP Gunny. Ugh, he's not a captain, he's a Gunnery Sergeant. He's enlisted, not an officer. I believe you're missing the entire point of the "bootcamp" scene. Everything is done for a reason, everything is to become a cohesive unit. The entire point of this movie went right over your head.
Everyone assumes he was a big scary man with a loud voice. When he was the kindest man.
'BORN ON THE FOURTH OF JULY'. Since you are watching Vietnam's war films and you have already reacted to some Tom Cruise films i recommend you to watch this masterpiece.
The boot camp stuff is pretty accurate as far as the way the drill instructor speaks and as well as the recruits and how they are treated.
Nowadays the punching and physical violence don’t really occur from what I’ve heard, that mostly stopped a little bit before my time I believe in 2001. One of my boys in the boot camp before me was punched by an instructor from what he said and I was pushed but nothing too crazy.
The verbal stuff and breaking you down, humiliation, shit talking, training is perfectly done. During my time there were always 3 drill instructors with the senior drill instructor who was Lee Ermey was usually the easiest on you although they were still tough as hell. The 2nd and 3rd hats were the ones the Senior Drill Instructor would use to truly fuck you up and get you in shape, the Senior was the one everyone wanted to impress the most.
This is Marine Corps boot camp which is also the longest which is 3 months, I don’t know how long it is now. Marine Corps boot camps differs from others, and is the only service in which you can switch to another service and not have to do their boot camps.
Your country also participated in this war too. Try Danger Close: Battle of Long Tan.
A good film that brings light to the Australian and New Zealand participation
6:00 one of the big things in the US military (speaking as someone who’s never been but has watched a LOT of stuff about it) one of the main points of bootcamp is to tear the soldiers down and kind of strip them of their humanity (kind of) and build them from the ground up as a soldier. That’s why you frequently see drill instructors getting in people’s faces and screaming insults at them.
The Vietnam War was also referred to as the first televised War.
If only my beloved Corps still stuck to these standards. How far it has fallen.
The UK wasn't involved in the Vietnam war, we refused to send troops.
@@GrimmEnt. It was a war. Its just as common misconception that the US was at war. The war was between North Vietnam and South Vietnam, The US was there in support of South Vietnam, and their were strict rules in how the US were allowed to participate.
@@GrimmEnt. it wasn’t our war. But it most definitely was a war
@@GrimmEnt. it was a Cold War conflict. Vietnam was a colony of France. After WWII Europe was supposed to return all its colonial holdings back into sovereign nations. So the the US were there to help the French transition Vietnam into a sovereign government. Obviously the US wanted Vietnam to establish a democratic nation, but the majority of the Vietnamese elected for a communist regime with the support of China and Russia. This sparked a civil war between the democratic southern Vietnamese with the communist northern Vietnamese. The US stayed the support the south and China and Russia supported the north. Both major nations were diplomatically regulated on how they could interfere in the war between the north and the south without it escalating into a major global conflict thus turning the Cold War hot. That’s why the US was only allowed to provide very specific military support. The South just didn’t have the man power or the support to win the war, and eventually the US had to leave.
@@GrimmEnt.There is a ken burns documentary called "the Vietnam war" that will tell you everything you need to know on the subject.
It's quite something.
@@mxviii "It wasn't my war. You asked me, I didn't ask you." - John J. Rambo
JFC, some of these comments are maddening...Couple of things: This is about as accurate a depiction of Marine Corps Bootcamp as your gonna get from any movie... ALSO, if you weren't in the military, specifically the Marines, please refrain from speaking on it as if you were... We (veterans) can see right through you as you clearly don't know wtf you're talking about... There are far too many to call out but you know who you are...
SGT USMC 6/03-6/11
Regarding if the Vietnamese ever asked for the help, they did. The South Vietnamese government requested aid and help in ever increasing amounts.
It's surprising, the falsehoods people have learned and then repeat. I'd expect the false "US invasion" statement to come from someone educated in modern Vietnam, or another similar Com gov't, but not from someone outside such a place. Shaking my head in disappointed history nerd motions.
True, but the South Vietnamese Govt was very corrupt and somewhat of a US Puppet Govt. The CIA finally decided to whack President Diem.
No wonder goner became king pin, he played Thor and a giant cockroach in a brand new edges suit
The DI s being brutal is an act of love, these DIs see how many boys they trained were dying in combat and they need to prepare them for chaos. They had no time for patience so they had to push them harder and harder .
Moreover these guys were drafted so some weren't mentally or physically prepared for war.
15:04 It's called a blanket party. Here's a hint. It's definitely not a party.
22:20 I think this Marine's rank was Captain. Two parallel silver bars denote a captain's rank in all but the Navy and the Coast Guard. It's a little counterintuitive, but silver bars outrank gold bars in the officer ranks.
You start out as a Second Lieutenant, eith a single vertical gold bar or "butter bar" for your rank insignium, followed by First Lieutenant, with a silver bar to show rank, followed in turn by Captain.
Above Captain is Major -- that rank is denoted by a gold oak leaf cluster. Turn that to silver and you get the rank above that one, Lieutenant Colonel. An eagle with spread wings and a shield below denotes the higher rank of Colonel, referred to in usual conversation as a "full bird colonel" because Lt Colonel only has the silver oak leaf cluster.
Above Colonel you have the general officer ranks, or The Generals, denoted in increasing order of superiority by the number of silver stars. One star denotes a Brigadier General, followed by Major General, then Lieutenant General (three stars), and finally "four star" General.
This has often been referred to the best half a film about the military.
Referring specifically to the boot camp scenes.
That is complete a credit to Ermey
Many excellent films are set in this war, including The Deer Hunter (1978), Apocalypse Now (1979), Platoon (1986), Hamburger Hill (1987), Casualties of War (1989), Born on the Fourth of July (1989), Bullet in the Head (1990), Heaven & Earth (1993), We Were Soldiers (2002), and Rescue Dawn (2006). All of these films are quite intense, and some quite graphic in their depiction of the cruelty and horror of the war, so they may not be to your liking or your taste. But they all treat the subject with the dignity it deserves.
I grew up with many children of South Vietnamese refugees in Northern California. They still hung the South Vietnamese flag in their homes and acted as though they were a nation in exile.
it's because they are.. 😂😂😂 the North Vietcongs won, they was supported by communist China and communist Russia.
the south Vietnamese lost who was supported by America, UK and France, democracy lost in that war.
Same thing with the American civil war, the North won and the South Confederates lost, they fled into exile In the decade after the Civil War, roughly 10,000 Southerners left the United States, with the majority going to Brazil, where slavery was still legal. (Others went to such places as Cuba, Mexico, Venezuela, Honduras, Canada