Laughing at people with a large loss count but still playing is like laughing at a fat person trying to lose weight at the gym. Like come on man, they're trying to fix that.
I feel like there's a good chance that half these people laughing about winrates don't even play fighting games. You don't get good without knowing how it feels to be bad.
Winning just one round after 10+ games of only getting your ass kicked is the most rewarding thing. You finally start to fight back and feel those losses weren't for nothing. Or you are just having a really bad day and needs to warm up.
@@Nero_PR That just happended to me. Its a great motivator to keep pushing. However, losing over and over to better players especially when you keep making mistakes or don't know any better sucks
Real talk here. Most of the players I find in NRS games, with a incredible high win rate, are just trash who quit as soon as they get his ass kicked. Seriously, if you care about your win rate, you still need a lot to learn.
Bro no and No. Win Ratio could come from Ranked aswell and you cant "farm" ppl there however i agree making fun of ppl trying to learn and train is not cool for the fgc and as a teacher when it comes to DBFZ its not ok to discourage ppl from learning fighting games or turn them away and hopefully your job would be to support them and help them learn there BNBs and so fourth.
@@DullTwilight Going 11 and 470 and still playing takes mental strength that most people don't have. Just keep learning and the wins will start catching up to the losses. Good shit 100%
"This random guy named wheel, nothing about this guy" you did winquit on me which says otherwise, sounds like youre scared Jiyuna. Let's run a FT5 if youre better than that rollback guy.
Ever notice how people who are rude will often get really defensive if you call them rude? They say things like "I'm just bein' real" or "you're just too sensitive." They wanted to have fun shittin' on someone and by you callin' them out they get in their feels like they're the victim
i know this guy in a tekken discord who is stuck in teal ranks for almost half a year, but yet here he still is, booting tekken up, getting bodied over and over again, trying to learn, entering beginner tournaments and still somehow is having a good time. I respect the shit out of him. it also got me thinking. no matter what game, it's not about how fast you make progress, it's about the progress itself ❤
Losing so much and still going forward is really admirable. The times when I got my back broke in a match are when I learned the most. My favourite matches are where you get your ass beat once, and then the guy is willing to let you run it back or learn what's up. It's super gratifying
Our brains are biologically hard wired to feel worse about negatives than we feel good about positives as a survival mechanism. It's why caveman you doesn't risk losing his arm even if it guarantees killing that tiger. With that in mind remember, you're only casual if you give up.
I needed this. I’ve been playing GGST recently and the amount of losses I’ve had has been bad. Maybe out of 100 matches, I only win 2. It’s not a good feeling and I wanted to quit so many times and the people who put down those who learn slower and lose a lot don’t make it better..
Honestly all I need is some reassurance. Not advice, not tips, not things to get better in, just reassurance. Or at least somebody to level up with me in fighting games.. 😞 it’s lonely out here..
I appreciate how earnest this vid is. Punching down is a big problem in the FGC. Another aspect of it is is when stream chatters treat their favorite streamers wins/success as their own. The number of people who call a streamers opponent trash or harass them when the streamer wins, when that dude would easily destroy the chatter is TOO high
When I bought tekken snd played without any intent, i had like a 2.7 win rate I didn't understand jack shit but I just tried to understand my loses and 2 months after actually trying to learn the game i had a 42% winrate not amazing but I'm so proud I didn't just get mad, saludos señor jyiuna lo quiero mucho
I am 22 year old Indian who played Street Fighter V for almost 2 years now. I have been playing other titles (used to play 3s, Still play super turbo, KOF 98, GG Acpr) and I feel so scared of losing because other people just corner you and throw all the negativity at you. Thank you for the video man, I will know to keep my head up, just focus on observing and learning.
Jiyuna for what it's worth, I appreciate the sentiment of "It's not the responsibility of the people who are learning to "toughen up", it's the job of everyone else to not be assholes to them."
As a dude who loved fighting games when he was younger(30+ now lol) and only getting back into it now (AC+R) because of rollback, this hits me hard. It's incredibly frustrating to learn a fighting game when you get bodied by someone far better than you and you know absolutely nothing about what options you have to respond especially when you are up against a Zappa player while playing Order Sol, unlike a FPS game where you can still learn how to quickly duck into cover or choose to commit to a firefight and if you lose, you just respawn. My winrate is at a horrendous 30% out of like...150+ games and it still feels incredibly frustrating to keep on the grind because I feel like I barely learnt anything from my losses even when I spend time labbing, reading up guides, or watching videos. Combined with a community that at times can be outright hostile or gatekeep and you have a genre that basically discourages anyone from wanting to continue playing. I still enjoy playing AC+R to some degree despite the losing and being a salty motherfucker about it though, since its been a long time since I picked up a fighting game. Thanks, Jiyuna.
90% of people that pick up a fighting game have like a negative k/d. Everybody else is godlike or quit while they were still positive and never played again.
I am impressed by patient people who are able to keep their cool, go on playing despite losing so much. At the end of the day, what's important is they are having fun and not being toxic.
I remember being a pot monster back in the mid-late 2000s, going to weeklies to pitch in my 5 dollars to the pot and be a part of the community. The pot went to feeding everyone at the venue anyway and people were organizing events at a loss week after week so I was more than glad to go 0-2 every week and pitch in. The only people who would trash someone for their losses is someone who has never been a part of any real fighting game community. Not a subreddit or twitch chat, but an actual community of players and organizers. The Melty music started making me so nostalgic and emotional too because it was Tsukihime that introduced me to Melty which introduced me to the FGC and hearing you talk about this with that music hit me right in the feels. This is why Core-A Gaming is the best FGC channel on youtube.
I have infinitely more respect for someone who never improves but keeps playing because he loves the game than the guy who plays for a bit then quits the game once he plateaus.
I always thought most people lost more than they win in fighting games. Losing is data, its learning, its goofing around and having fun and trying new characters! And then when you actually sweat you can still lose. Nothing wrong with the ratio when you're Being the FGC
I remember fighting against a Twitch Streamer and I was more upset that his Twitch chat was roasting me rather than I actually losing. It was on DBFZ, and I transferred from Console to PC so it didn't help when everyone thought I was a genuine white square rather than someone who transferred, haha. I was so self conscious about not only my losses now, but also fighting against Streamers so much that I looked on Twitch constantly just to avoid big names and not being made fun of. Its crazy how we can also change our mindset over time while playing Fighting Games. There's getting that drive to improve, and then there's lighting it the HELL up. Doing both takes a while, and so does learning to value how much you've learned rather than the L you took. But man, when you do, it feels GREAT. I'm not great at any of the Fighting Games I play, but learning and winning feels so much more fun. I have much respect for anyone new trying fighting games. It's hard for a lot of people to learn something new and unfamiliar, and a lot of people put pressure on themselves when starting off. I think that's why I always love trying to teach my friends, they're on their grind.
Last time I laughed at someone's losses I was probably 15, zit-faced, and had terrible self-esteem issues because F puberty. Good players understand the meaning behind the losses because they've suffered them as well.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - Teddy Roosevelt
You get loses by fighting better players than you, which in turn makes you stronger. Imagine a dude who fights the top players on the planet every day...
Damn, this video came out at the perfect time. I’m relatively new to fighting games and I’ve been on a losing streak in SFV. I’ve lost like 14 games and won literally once. I’ve been trying trying to remind myself that I’m still learning but it’s hard trying to stay positive. It’s nice to hear from somebody else that win:loss ratios don’t really matter. So, thanks for making this video. I’m going to keep at it!
"You can't win unless you learn how to lose." - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, he won a lot times with the LA Lakers but he lost to Bruce Lee, he knows what he is talking about.
Curiously, Lord Daisuke probably realized that there was a lot of negative stimulus revolving around the win rate... Because I remember feverishly looking through every god damn menu in the Strive beta to find the number of losses I had or at least the total games I played and the game wouldn't tell me shit Interesting how Strive only tells you the number of wins you have to try to avoid that negativity some people try to create
That's how I learned to play fighting games, and I generally struggle with a new game despite being in the community for years now, but I will keep going until the gameplay kicks off with me and I have a blast. Nothing is more gratifying to me than the feeling of getting good in a fighting game.
At my second Brazilian jiu jitsu tournament I lost 7 straight matches in front of my teammates, coaches and the crowd. I was gonna quit after the 4th loss but I kept going, and on the 8th match I got my first win ever. It was demoralizing to get tapped out so many times, but getting the W after not giving up made it so much sweeter. You can do it!
Hey man, thanks for this. I've been kind of getting burnt out on the ranked ladder of some fighting games recently. I suffer from an admittedly mild case of cerebral palsy, and so despite doing execution drills every time I play, and having played some games for over a hundred hours(I know that's tiny in the grand scheme of things), it's still going to take me thousands more drills to get even basic stuff like dps consistent. My win rate is fixed in the 40 percents, and some times it dips even into the 30 percents, and you know, I'll get on a losing streak and get frustrated as I mess up my anti air input and get t-bagged by a Bronze Akuma after, again, over 100 hours of play. I feel really bad at the game for my amount of play time, and this discourages me, so thanks again for the positive reinforcement.
This was much needed, it's harsh trying to practice and get better and then I just get mopped by my friend with years on years of muscle memory. I feel like I've been hiding in single player modes for a minute, can't let the losses linger and learn from it. Though I will say getting hate mail after a loss is uncalled for like wtf. I'm still baffled by getting that. Anyways, thanks for the shout out for the losers, we all start there in the fgc it feels like. I mean maybe there are just people who have it down instantly but I'm always expecting to lose, it's the hope of a win, learn, get better that keeps going and all that jazz
I’m exactly what this video is all about. I have 20 years of FIFA in me. And got into SFV last year. I lose a lot. But I still enjoy playing it. And now I am looking forward to GGst. This is gonna be my first fighting game that I’m gonna start from scratch. And hopefully I improve. I don’t mind losing at all. I love playing these games. But I hate how people try to show me the negative side when I myself stay positive about the losses. I just wanna enjoy and learn along the way.
You being stomped on KoF is the equivalent of me being command grabbed by Kouma players in MB:TL all the time haha! I'm kinda new to playing people online in fighting games (and not just playing CPU or practicing combos) so I kinda expected to get my ass beat, but sometimes it can be a tilting experience, so every bit of encouragement helps to keep me playing. Thanks for the video!
+R is complex and difficult but thats no excuse to have a below 100% win rate. *Especially* new players. Stream monster mindset, who probably doesn't even play the game.
I think many people don't take into account that it's especially rough in old fighting games. There's often no matchmaking in place so they get matched up with veterans that have 10x their playtime and experience. There's not that many streams or even guides you can watch for those games, so you're often just learning by yourself or asking for advices from others. It's rough man. A constant influx of new players are what keeps old fighting games like AC alive. Cheer them up and welcome them to the community. You'll be proud of them when they stick around and actually become a veteran themselves a few years down the line :)
Ive lost VF5 FS against the same guy like 80 times in a row, hes the only guy on ranked who ever plays, yet I continue to enter the games and get beaten by his Jacky (i use Shun Di) its a real kick in the ass but Ill continue it until I learn something.
The beatings are a key part of the experience. I remember how rare my wins were when I played my first fighting game online (marvel 3). Now I have pretty high winrates in the FGs I play from just experience. Cheers to everyone toughing it out, you've got what it takes
I remember when I first started playing fighting games online, I was obsessed about my win rates. I had to have at least over a 50% win ratio, otherwise I would feel like absolute trash. Thankfully, I managed to grow out of that phase and into thinking I'm just trash in general, hah. But yeah, I'd gladly continue being a loser if it meant I could spread the love for some of these niche fighters I like but I just don't really play fighters anymore, much less go online. So I can only really support the other losers, and winners, for the small communities that still exist for them.
This video brought me back to when I was on Fightcade getting my back blown out in Third Strike with the biggest smile on my face because I was having fun. Those were the days
Im a fg noob with 15 hr and i play plus r coz of roll back. I want to thank sajam for making this video because it is so discouraging to play a game like plus r where a “newbie” is someone with like 500 hours in game. Hope other true newbies out there like me keep playing despite the struggles of getting perfected on in some matches. Keep enjoying the game and tnx again for bringing attention to this issue sajam.
Jiyuna, no joke, thanks for talking about this. You're a Real G. I'm barely above 50% on my Win Ratio. I think it's like 60 something to like 50 something on +R. Glad some people dont look at just w/l ratio
this illustrates an important divide in the FGC: the person with 1200 losses loves the game and is someone i want to play with, the person who comments "lol 1200 losses" is someone i never want to interact with for any reason under any circumstances.
I used to go to Kung Fu tournaments, where we demonstrated Kachis, a sequence of attacks put together to look good (Similar to old Tekken openings where the characters showed their attacks hitting air.). Though we were separated by training time, age and such, I was at a point that, I had to compete with Senseis that had 10 years worth of training, there were 0 chances of winning. My family often complained at why I still went to compete though, and I was doing what my teacher taught me, now I won't win at all, but with effort, with every tournament I participate and every loss, I'm one step closer to get where those guys are now. Don't look at losses as defeats, if you are always learning with those losses and always aiming to win, they are just a number indicating how far you have come.
Dragon ball Fighterz was my first fighting game. I started at season 3 and now I have 11,000+ online matches with 5000 wins only. I just took my time having fun learning on my pace and I take pride I that ratio. It shows my patients and growth as you fight me. While I was losing, my mind set was just to get better slowly not to win. So It didn't feel bad.
I will always be impressed by the guy with 4000 losses cuz that means this dude has played over 4000 games and is still playing. Shout out to you guys!
When I first got into GG, it took me 6 months to take a game off of the best player in our group. I believe he had a controller malfunction during that game too, but hey ... a win is a win.
I think a lot of people, especially competitive players, focus way to much on the top and thinking about the stats for a moment is a great reality check. I once heard a player saying that "anyone with less than 50% win rate should quite the game" without realizing that if they did his win rate would soon drop below 50% as well. Every Joe Shmoe who drops the game has a ripple effect and the community is poorer for it. It's the width of the foundation that supports the height of the peak. Without the people who tolerate the struggles and keep going the community would collapse in weeks. The ability to accept a loss and keep trying is not just mandatory to get good, it's the beautiful fighting spirit that defines the FGC.
When i see a big lose ratio immediately keep my self vigilant. Win is good, but nothing teatch you better than lose. Mad respect for the loosers that keep fighting and mad respect for you, Jiyuna.
I have made it my goal for this year to pass Silver/B rank in a fighting game. As an intermediate player I tend to get excited in a game (SF5, Skullgirls, etc.), hit ranked and then once i make it to Silver, i hit a brick wall. Its happened in 2 games for the past few years. I'd lose for days, get discouraged, then quit. This year, GBVSR is my game and I just hit B rank last week. The wall has hit me again and I'm internalizing the losses and learning to improve, it still is discouraging when i get 10 losses and 1 win after my sessions. Seeing this video really helped me out, I'm gonna keep at it. Im determined to beat the Silver wall this year. Thanks man, gonna lose and get better!
I wanted to learn fighting games starting with DNF Duel. It looked cool, fast, with simple mechanics for beginners. I pre-ordered it, and since release I've played it for 23-24 hours and with 300 matches played, I won like 80. Some days was like 60 losses in a row. And sometimes I got guys that so aggressive and learned some long combos, they just lock me in the corner and get me annihilated. Yesterday I just flipped, when another Swift Master just locked me in the corner, throw at me so much pressure and I just sit there and don't know what to do. Any attempt from me to do something just ends with my face being splashed on the floor. It was my 20th loss in a row yesterday and I just couldn't play anymore. I want to play this game, I want to learn fighting games in general, they are cool and when you do something that clicks and you do at least short combo, that feeling is amazing. But after that another man comes and give you 60-70% damage in one combo. I have depression after those games. I'm still gonna play DNF Duel, I want to get better at this game, but not sure if I'm really will have fun in this anymore. I know, that you will lose if you are inexperienced, like a lot, but it's still doesn't make it any easier. Sorry for braggin, but I just don't know where else I can say this and not be mocked for my 220 losses
Great video. Nobody pays enough attention to the 64 people who enter a 256 person tournament and go 0-2. Without them, you wouldn't have had a hype 256 person tournament with god like runs through pools. I'm glad to be that cannon fodder. If I can have more fun losing than you do winning, then it's still net positive for us all!
This really helps. I go into new fighting games and get my butt kicked and see videos that say "these combos are super easy to do" or "I went from low rank to top tier within the day" and it can feel like I'm not just bad at the game, but I should not be playing the game. But, this helps to hear that it is ok to lose a lot like this, thank you for making this clearer.
Thank you for saying that! While not feeling good about my bad win rate and even thinking similar thoughts, it really feels good to hear that you just don't have to worry about it... I hope eventually my perception of tying skill and win rate to self worth and validity of opinions in the fgc will go away. Anyway, thanks!
Greetings from El Salvador Jiyuna, I personally take a lots of L while learning fighting games but nothing to be ashamed for, there's no progress without struggle... keep up the great content !!
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The FGC: "Man, you suck. Quit playing."
The same FGC: "Man, nobody plays this game."
Losing is experience gained.
The funniest thing ever. Two other people play your game and you treat them like crap.
Maaann that's so much true, I even cried inside lol
@@varenoftatooine2393 then I guess I'm losing for the rest of my life
"Just lagswitch and macro and play a top tier, idiot"
Me when I started fighting games:
That Dude has 500 losses, Imma beat him
Me now:
That Dude still playin after 800 losses, hell prolly beat me
"I don't fear the man who played 10 000 games once, I fear the man who played one game 10 000 times"
- Bruce Lee had he been a fighting game player
"Don't fear the man who practiced 1000 combos, fear the man who practiced one combo 1000 times"
"Unless you're playing +R Johnny and the same crap only works on like two characters"
@@jonatanperdomo432 LMAO
Laughing at people with a large loss count but still playing is like laughing at a fat person trying to lose weight at the gym. Like come on man, they're trying to fix that.
Some people will just straight up put in 1000+ hours in a game and never improve beyond knowing a simple flowchart, tbf.
@@akumoth8357 So? They're obviously having fun if they're still playing. Let them enjoy themselves.
also, if you have more losses than wins it just shows that you are playing people better than you, which is the only true way of improving
@@beroberoberoberobero852 Big Facts!!
@@akumoth8357 that's not a problem at all.
I feel like there's a good chance that half these people laughing about winrates don't even play fighting games. You don't get good without knowing how it feels to be bad.
Underrated comment. Im using this with your permission
Losing is how you learn and progress but scrubs don't know what learning is.
Winning just one round after 10+ games of only getting your ass kicked is the most rewarding thing. You finally start to fight back and feel those losses weren't for nothing. Or you are just having a really bad day and needs to warm up.
@@Nero_PR That just happended to me. Its a great motivator to keep pushing. However, losing over and over to better players especially when you keep making mistakes or don't know any better sucks
@@alexlovehall7796 Just happen to me also while playing SFV
Most of the people who have "good" win ratios farm their trash friends anyway lol. Literally nothing to pay attention to
most dudes that would shit on these players probably don't own the game to begin with.
Everywhere I go, I see nothing but *facts*
Real talk here. Most of the players I find in NRS games, with a incredible high win rate, are just trash who quit as soon as they get his ass kicked.
Seriously, if you care about your win rate, you still need a lot to learn.
Yup, so easy to farm W’s.
Bro no and No. Win Ratio could come from Ranked aswell and you cant "farm" ppl there however i agree making fun of ppl trying to learn and train is not cool for the fgc and as a teacher when it comes to DBFZ its not ok to discourage ppl from learning fighting games or turn them away and hopefully your job would be to support them and help them learn there BNBs and so fourth.
People who keeps on playing despite their losses deserves respect.
I have been 11 wins and 470 losses in gg +r learning that game is brutal and my brain doesn't work with it
@@DullTwilight Going 11 and 470 and still playing takes mental strength that most people don't have. Just keep learning and the wins will start catching up to the losses. Good shit 100%
@@IXINineIXI it's what I'm hoping for my winrate is wild based on game but I actively play with someone much better than me
i couldnt even get a win till my 80th loss lol now at 550W/1000L
@@DullTwilight on single digit wins and over 100 losses, just gotta grind
"Its about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward!" - Rocks Barbosa
He's not a man, he's a machine
- Rocks Barbosa trainer
You’ve definitely been hit a lot
Makes sense rocky isnt the type to block
"Sometimes you need to get knocked back down to get back up to reach the top".
I'm gonna get hit and just lie there and hate myself
Real talk Jiyuna is the best FGC RUclipsr IMO
Respect for getting his name right too
yep agree
Is not a opinion is a fact
the savior unironically
Jiyuna and Obama 100% keep me interested in the scene even when there's nothing going on in-person
A guy with a 10% win rate but only practices against gods for thousands of games would probably be a scary monster to normal players.
No please don't only practice against people way better than you, it's important to practice against all skill levels relative to yours.
Jiyuna's therapy video after being utterly destroyed in KoF 2002.
My Chris is nice now,
@@ANIMEILLUMINATI try this 5 bar combo.
Look for Chris. This guy has nice beginner combos.
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"This random guy named wheel, nothing about this guy" you did winquit on me which says otherwise, sounds like youre scared Jiyuna. Let's run a FT5 if youre better than that rollback guy.
LET'S GOOOOO WE STARTING FIGHTS
I like how Jiyuna made a video defending you and now you’re picking a fight with him. Lol
Lmao get 'im wheel
I can taste the beef
I love it. The beef is perfectly salted.
“To all the losers in the fighting game community”
Haha that’s me.
me too, high five
@@dekdenfor9770 hi 10 bre
Ever notice how people who are rude will often get really defensive if you call them rude? They say things like "I'm just bein' real" or "you're just too sensitive." They wanted to have fun shittin' on someone and by you callin' them out they get in their feels like they're the victim
Victimhood mentality
‘I wanna be controversial but dont want any controversy’ type beat
Thanks Jiyuna. Just lost almost 50 matches in a row in skullgirls and was really upset, but this video actually cheered me up.
You should only be upset if you didn't learn anything
Currently getting smoked in dbfz got deranged from ssgod two times
Skullgirls online gets more brutal by the year
at least 400-500 of those wins and losses with wheel were from me and our discord boys, and I assure you this dude is fucking nuts now lmao
Why you gotta put my win rate in the thumbnail
The thing is that dude wheel with that amount of games he's played will still probably clap a bunch of people despite the losses
Guess the way to put it is " Doesn't matter how many times to lose, as long as you learn to improve from them "
lemme just say these hands are rated E for Everyone
He'll clap a bunch of people BECAUSE of the losses
Honestly, some of the best lessons I've learned about fighting games happened while I was getting my ass beat
Some hard ass facts lol
you used the emote perfectly
Fr! I used to take a million L’s But now I’ve gotten a whole lot better and winning a lot of rounds!
Nice emote.
i know this guy in a tekken discord who is stuck in teal ranks for almost half a year, but yet here he still is, booting tekken up, getting bodied over and over again, trying to learn, entering beginner tournaments and still somehow is having a good time. I respect the shit out of him. it also got me thinking. no matter what game, it's not about how fast you make progress, it's about the progress itself ❤
Losing so much and still going forward is really admirable. The times when I got my back broke in a match are when I learned the most.
My favourite matches are where you get your ass beat once, and then the guy is willing to let you run it back or learn what's up. It's super gratifying
This is why I like Tekken ranked. A lot of people will let me rerun the matchup 15 times to learn it. It's really nice!
Our brains are biologically hard wired to feel worse about negatives than we feel good about positives as a survival mechanism. It's why caveman you doesn't risk losing his arm even if it guarantees killing that tiger. With that in mind remember, you're only casual if you give up.
I would rather lose and have a challenge than win every time
Funny thing now that you mention Art, he has a 0% winrate on his profile, yet he probably can beat half of the stream monsters if he wanted to.
Finally a video about me.
Forever C rank in GBFVS.
we C ranks must stick together
Same for us Blue players in Tekken 7
@@TheDarkVictini us green players are in the same boat
Until we all hit yellow rank. We stick together
I needed this. I’ve been playing GGST recently and the amount of losses I’ve had has been bad. Maybe out of 100 matches, I only win 2. It’s not a good feeling and I wanted to quit so many times and the people who put down those who learn slower and lose a lot don’t make it better..
479 wins
740 losses
My jam still goes hard. Fight me🤣
You have 480 wins. That’s insane. Don’t pay attention to that loss number
@@saysay7191 I try to. The ass whoopings keep me humble LOL
Honestly all I need is some reassurance. Not advice, not tips, not things to get better in, just reassurance. Or at least somebody to level up with me in fighting games.. 😞 it’s lonely out here..
I appreciate how earnest this vid is. Punching down is a big problem in the FGC. Another aspect of it is is when stream chatters treat their favorite streamers wins/success as their own. The number of people who call a streamers opponent trash or harass them when the streamer wins, when that dude would easily destroy the chatter is TOO high
When I bought tekken snd played without any intent, i had like a 2.7 win rate I didn't understand jack shit but I just tried to understand my loses and 2 months after actually trying to learn the game i had a 42% winrate not amazing but I'm so proud I didn't just get mad, saludos señor jyiuna lo quiero mucho
Not getting mad and sticking with it is already a big W.
That's amazing in my book. That's mad growth.
I am 22 year old Indian who played Street Fighter V for almost 2 years now. I have been playing other titles (used to play 3s, Still play super turbo, KOF 98, GG Acpr) and I feel so scared of losing because other people just corner you and throw all the negativity at you. Thank you for the video man, I will know to keep my head up, just focus on observing and learning.
Just have fun.
Jiyuna for what it's worth, I appreciate the sentiment of "It's not the responsibility of the people who are learning to "toughen up", it's the job of everyone else to not be assholes to them."
As a dude who loved fighting games when he was younger(30+ now lol) and only getting back into it now (AC+R) because of rollback, this hits me hard. It's incredibly frustrating to learn a fighting game when you get bodied by someone far better than you and you know absolutely nothing about what options you have to respond especially when you are up against a Zappa player while playing Order Sol, unlike a FPS game where you can still learn how to quickly duck into cover or choose to commit to a firefight and if you lose, you just respawn.
My winrate is at a horrendous 30% out of like...150+ games and it still feels incredibly frustrating to keep on the grind because I feel like I barely learnt anything from my losses even when I spend time labbing, reading up guides, or watching videos. Combined with a community that at times can be outright hostile or gatekeep and you have a genre that basically discourages anyone from wanting to continue playing.
I still enjoy playing AC+R to some degree despite the losing and being a salty motherfucker about it though, since its been a long time since I picked up a fighting game. Thanks, Jiyuna.
90% of people that pick up a fighting game have like a negative k/d. Everybody else is godlike or quit while they were still positive and never played again.
To everyone that focuses on their losses, remember that for every winner there has to be a loser.
I am impressed by patient people who are able to keep their cool, go on playing despite losing so much. At the end of the day, what's important is they are having fun and not being toxic.
I remember being a pot monster back in the mid-late 2000s, going to weeklies to pitch in my 5 dollars to the pot and be a part of the community. The pot went to feeding everyone at the venue anyway and people were organizing events at a loss week after week so I was more than glad to go 0-2 every week and pitch in. The only people who would trash someone for their losses is someone who has never been a part of any real fighting game community. Not a subreddit or twitch chat, but an actual community of players and organizers. The Melty music started making me so nostalgic and emotional too because it was Tsukihime that introduced me to Melty which introduced me to the FGC and hearing you talk about this with that music hit me right in the feels. This is why Core-A Gaming is the best FGC channel on youtube.
I think its a honor to play in Evo. 0-2 or not. Pretty dope
No shame in having more loses than wins, it shows your dedication and will to improve.
I have infinitely more respect for someone who never improves but keeps playing because he loves the game than the guy who plays for a bit then quits the game once he plateaus.
Thanks Jiyuna for helping us, the troubled kids, all this time
I'm sorry we're troubling your schedule
I always thought most people lost more than they win in fighting games. Losing is data, its learning, its goofing around and having fun and trying new characters! And then when you actually sweat you can still lose. Nothing wrong with the ratio when you're Being the FGC
Holding all those L's made me big and strong
Imagining caring for W/L ratio, causal gang forever
I remember fighting against a Twitch Streamer and I was more upset that his Twitch chat was roasting me rather than I actually losing. It was on DBFZ, and I transferred from Console to PC so it didn't help when everyone thought I was a genuine white square rather than someone who transferred, haha. I was so self conscious about not only my losses now, but also fighting against Streamers so much that I looked on Twitch constantly just to avoid big names and not being made fun of. Its crazy how we can also change our mindset over time while playing Fighting Games.
There's getting that drive to improve, and then there's lighting it the HELL up. Doing both takes a while, and so does learning to value how much you've learned rather than the L you took. But man, when you do, it feels GREAT. I'm not great at any of the Fighting Games I play, but learning and winning feels so much more fun. I have much respect for anyone new trying fighting games. It's hard for a lot of people to learn something new and unfamiliar, and a lot of people put pressure on themselves when starting off. I think that's why I always love trying to teach my friends, they're on their grind.
Win - Loss Ratio don't mean jack cuz the moment the announcer says Round 1 you about to get this work even if I have mad losses, real shit.
This video hits different man, Jiyuna is talking about shit that is so much more important than what most people talk about.
Last time I laughed at someone's losses I was probably 15, zit-faced, and had terrible self-esteem issues because F puberty. Good players understand the meaning behind the losses because they've suffered them as well.
I feel like someone just gave me a hug
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - Teddy Roosevelt
You get loses by fighting better players than you, which in turn makes you stronger. Imagine a dude who fights the top players on the planet every day...
This is happening more often. Due to online play.
Damn, this video came out at the perfect time. I’m relatively new to fighting games and I’ve been on a losing streak in SFV. I’ve lost like 14 games and won literally once. I’ve been trying trying to remind myself that I’m still learning but it’s hard trying to stay positive. It’s nice to hear from somebody else that win:loss ratios don’t really matter. So, thanks for making this video. I’m going to keep at it!
"You can't win unless you learn how to lose." - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, he won a lot times with the LA Lakers but he lost to Bruce Lee, he knows what he is talking about.
Curiously, Lord Daisuke probably realized that there was a lot of negative stimulus revolving around the win rate...
Because I remember feverishly looking through every god damn menu in the Strive beta to find the number of losses I had or at least the total games I played and the game wouldn't tell me shit
Interesting how Strive only tells you the number of wins you have to try to avoid that negativity some people try to create
Sound advice. I have years of experience and get negative comments myself. I just laugh at those people. As you said "they just don't understand".
thank you very much for this. You have no idea.
That's how I learned to play fighting games, and I generally struggle with a new game despite being in the community for years now, but I will keep going until the gameplay kicks off with me and I have a blast. Nothing is more gratifying to me than the feeling of getting good in a fighting game.
as a person how picked up fighting games somewhat recently this has been very inspirational thanks
At my second Brazilian jiu jitsu tournament I lost 7 straight matches in front of my teammates, coaches and the crowd. I was gonna quit after the 4th loss but I kept going, and on the 8th match I got my first win ever. It was demoralizing to get tapped out so many times, but getting the W after not giving up made it so much sweeter. You can do it!
Honestly I thought this was a follow up to the "I am not Sajam" video
was worried this was going to be low tier god part 2 but this vid is amazingly wholesome
Hey man, thanks for this. I've been kind of getting burnt out on the ranked ladder of some fighting games recently. I suffer from an admittedly mild case of cerebral palsy, and so despite doing execution drills every time I play, and having played some games for over a hundred hours(I know that's tiny in the grand scheme of things), it's still going to take me thousands more drills to get even basic stuff like dps consistent. My win rate is fixed in the 40 percents, and some times it dips even into the 30 percents, and you know, I'll get on a losing streak and get frustrated as I mess up my anti air input and get t-bagged by a Bronze Akuma after, again, over 100 hours of play. I feel really bad at the game for my amount of play time, and this discourages me, so thanks again for the positive reinforcement.
This was much needed, it's harsh trying to practice and get better and then I just get mopped by my friend with years on years of muscle memory.
I feel like I've been hiding in single player modes for a minute, can't let the losses linger and learn from it. Though I will say getting hate mail after a loss is uncalled for like wtf. I'm still baffled by getting that. Anyways, thanks for the shout out for the losers, we all start there in the fgc it feels like. I mean maybe there are just people who have it down instantly but I'm always expecting to lose, it's the hope of a win, learn, get better that keeps going and all that jazz
I’m exactly what this video is all about. I have 20 years of FIFA in me. And got into SFV last year.
I lose a lot. But I still enjoy playing it. And now I am looking forward to GGst. This is gonna be my first fighting game that I’m gonna start from scratch. And hopefully I improve.
I don’t mind losing at all. I love playing these games. But I hate how people try to show me the negative side when I myself stay positive about the losses.
I just wanna enjoy and learn along the way.
You being stomped on KoF is the equivalent of me being command grabbed by Kouma players in MB:TL all the time haha!
I'm kinda new to playing people online in fighting games (and not just playing CPU or practicing combos) so I kinda expected to get my ass beat, but sometimes it can be a tilting experience, so every bit of encouragement helps to keep me playing.
Thanks for the video!
+R is complex and difficult but thats no excuse to have a below 100% win rate. *Especially* new players.
Stream monster mindset, who probably doesn't even play the game.
I think many people don't take into account that it's especially rough in old fighting games. There's often no matchmaking in place so they get matched up with veterans that have 10x their playtime and experience.
There's not that many streams or even guides you can watch for those games, so you're often just learning by yourself or asking for advices from others. It's rough man.
A constant influx of new players are what keeps old fighting games like AC alive. Cheer them up and welcome them to the community. You'll be proud of them when they stick around and actually become a veteran themselves a few years down the line :)
Ive lost VF5 FS against the same guy like 80 times in a row, hes the only guy on ranked who ever plays, yet I continue to enter the games and get beaten by his Jacky (i use Shun Di) its a real kick in the ass but Ill continue it until I learn something.
The beatings are a key part of the experience. I remember how rare my wins were when I played my first fighting game online (marvel 3). Now I have pretty high winrates in the FGs I play from just experience. Cheers to everyone toughing it out, you've got what it takes
I remember when I first started playing fighting games online, I was obsessed about my win rates. I had to have at least over a 50% win ratio, otherwise I would feel like absolute trash. Thankfully, I managed to grow out of that phase and into thinking I'm just trash in general, hah.
But yeah, I'd gladly continue being a loser if it meant I could spread the love for some of these niche fighters I like but I just don't really play fighters anymore, much less go online. So I can only really support the other losers, and winners, for the small communities that still exist for them.
This video brought me back to when I was on Fightcade getting my back blown out in Third Strike with the biggest smile on my face because I was having fun. Those were the days
Im a fg noob with 15 hr and i play plus r coz of roll back. I want to thank sajam for making this video because it is so discouraging to play a game like plus r where a “newbie” is someone with like 500 hours in game. Hope other true newbies out there like me keep playing despite the struggles of getting perfected on in some matches. Keep enjoying the game and tnx again for bringing attention to this issue sajam.
Thanks man. The losses sting but, the progression and improvement is what makes it worth it.
Jiyuna, no joke, thanks for talking about this. You're a Real G. I'm barely above 50% on my Win Ratio. I think it's like 60 something to like 50 something on +R. Glad some people dont look at just w/l ratio
Bro I've been linking these 2 videos to my buddies who think MR is everything in SF6. Lord Jiyuna ahead of his time
Jiyuna taking me to church for healing. Appreciate the good words. Losses are experience. Can’t progress without learning from them
this illustrates an important divide in the FGC: the person with 1200 losses loves the game and is someone i want to play with, the person who comments "lol 1200 losses" is someone i never want to interact with for any reason under any circumstances.
I used to go to Kung Fu tournaments, where we demonstrated Kachis, a sequence of attacks put together to look good (Similar to old Tekken openings where the characters showed their attacks hitting air.). Though we were separated by training time, age and such, I was at a point that, I had to compete with Senseis that had 10 years worth of training, there were 0 chances of winning.
My family often complained at why I still went to compete though, and I was doing what my teacher taught me, now I won't win at all, but with effort, with every tournament I participate and every loss, I'm one step closer to get where those guys are now.
Don't look at losses as defeats, if you are always learning with those losses and always aiming to win, they are just a number indicating how far you have come.
Dragon ball Fighterz was my first fighting game. I started at season 3 and now I have 11,000+ online matches with 5000 wins only. I just took my time having fun learning on my pace and I take pride I that ratio. It shows my patients and growth as you fight me.
While I was losing, my mind set was just to get better slowly not to win. So It didn't feel bad.
Damn, you are grinding.
I even lose fighting bots or in arcade modes in fighting game but that won't stop me from playing and improving myself.
I feel like each loss I take makes my hairline run further and further away from my eyebrows. I am bald.
I will always be impressed by the guy with 4000 losses cuz that means this dude has played over 4000 games and is still playing. Shout out to you guys!
FGC seems to think there's something wrong with you if you aren't a master of something you just started.
This video just helped me with my loss streak in sf6 and on league of legends, thanks dude
I lost a bunch yesterday too, you’re not alone lol
When I first got into GG, it took me 6 months to take a game off of the best player in our group. I believe he had a controller malfunction during that game too, but hey ... a win is a win.
I think a lot of people, especially competitive players, focus way to much on the top and thinking about the stats for a moment is a great reality check. I once heard a player saying that "anyone with less than 50% win rate should quite the game" without realizing that if they did his win rate would soon drop below 50% as well. Every Joe Shmoe who drops the game has a ripple effect and the community is poorer for it. It's the width of the foundation that supports the height of the peak. Without the people who tolerate the struggles and keep going the community would collapse in weeks.
The ability to accept a loss and keep trying is not just mandatory to get good, it's the beautiful fighting spirit that defines the FGC.
When i see a big lose ratio immediately keep my self vigilant.
Win is good, but nothing teatch you better than lose.
Mad respect for the loosers that keep fighting and mad respect for you, Jiyuna.
I have made it my goal for this year to pass Silver/B rank in a fighting game. As an intermediate player I tend to get excited in a game (SF5, Skullgirls, etc.), hit ranked and then once i make it to Silver, i hit a brick wall. Its happened in 2 games for the past few years. I'd lose for days, get discouraged, then quit.
This year, GBVSR is my game and I just hit B rank last week. The wall has hit me again and I'm internalizing the losses and learning to improve, it still is discouraging when i get 10 losses and 1 win after my sessions.
Seeing this video really helped me out, I'm gonna keep at it. Im determined to beat the Silver wall this year. Thanks man, gonna lose and get better!
Good luck!
This was a fantastic video. Thank you.
The man that beats you has lost more games than you. Don't fear the man with 100 wins, fear the man with a 1000 losses.
I wanted to learn fighting games starting with DNF Duel. It looked cool, fast, with simple mechanics for beginners. I pre-ordered it, and since release I've played it for 23-24 hours and with 300 matches played, I won like 80. Some days was like 60 losses in a row. And sometimes I got guys that so aggressive and learned some long combos, they just lock me in the corner and get me annihilated. Yesterday I just flipped, when another Swift Master just locked me in the corner, throw at me so much pressure and I just sit there and don't know what to do. Any attempt from me to do something just ends with my face being splashed on the floor. It was my 20th loss in a row yesterday and I just couldn't play anymore. I want to play this game, I want to learn fighting games in general, they are cool and when you do something that clicks and you do at least short combo, that feeling is amazing. But after that another man comes and give you 60-70% damage in one combo. I have depression after those games. I'm still gonna play DNF Duel, I want to get better at this game, but not sure if I'm really will have fun in this anymore. I know, that you will lose if you are inexperienced, like a lot, but it's still doesn't make it any easier. Sorry for braggin, but I just don't know where else I can say this and not be mocked for my 220 losses
DNF is difficult because offense is VERY strong and defense is weak, so it’s easy to get steamrolled. Stick with it.
Thank You Man, I needed this.
Stick with it! I’m losing a lot too.
Great video. Nobody pays enough attention to the 64 people who enter a 256 person tournament and go 0-2. Without them, you wouldn't have had a hype 256 person tournament with god like runs through pools. I'm glad to be that cannon fodder. If I can have more fun losing than you do winning, then it's still net positive for us all!
I just started to try and get in to tekken 7 and this video felt good.
Losers represent.
This really helps. I go into new fighting games and get my butt kicked and see videos that say "these combos are super easy to do" or "I went from low rank to top tier within the day" and it can feel like I'm not just bad at the game, but I should not be playing the game. But, this helps to hear that it is ok to lose a lot like this, thank you for making this clearer.
Thank you anime sajam, I will keep losing so I keep learning
Thank you for saying that! While not feeling good about my bad win rate and even thinking similar thoughts, it really feels good to hear that you just don't have to worry about it... I hope eventually my perception of tying skill and win rate to self worth and validity of opinions in the fgc will go away. Anyway, thanks!
Hey that was really insightful. Good job Tasty Steve.
Tbh I hate losing, but I've gotten to the point where winning doesn't feel right.
Greetings from El Salvador Jiyuna, I personally take a lots of L while learning fighting games but nothing to be ashamed for, there's no progress without struggle... keep up the great content !!
Yup yup.