Extreme is a game changer. I would call it a new game but having the prior knowledge helps in the long run (like where to find resources, best outposts, favorite weapons, etc.). Paying attention to health, drink, food is a new dimension. Currently an Xbox voyeur. Counting the days to the update.
Soon! (re: update). I have so many games in my catalog where you just die soon after you start if you aren't paying attention. That IS part of the game itself. It is fun. That won't be for everyone, but Starfield might end up flexible enough to give multiple audiences what they like.
Great point. Think about cranking up the difficulty and then having a vehicle that will get you to/from places and serve as an environmentally safe place.
I guess that makes some of those environmental perks worth taking. As well as some of the suit abilities to add environmental resist. Problem is they never seem to last that long before depleted. Not long enough to run to a point of interest.
In storms, fast depletion and then trouble. On bright clear days, few problems. I assume this is also tied directly to the planetary habitation rank factors in as well. Frost is level "2" and on a sunny, clear day I could run around for 5+ minutes before hypothermia struck. In a storm, not so much. Theoretically this could mean that exploring a planet just became much more involved. We can no longer run endlessly, taking breaks only to complain about the emptiness on Reddit or Facebook. Now we have to check the weather, suit up properly and then head for POIs that provide legitimate shelter. Civilian Outposts are perfect for this and could be hubs in the future for far more content. Those are all thought exercises and speculation about what happens in the foggy pseudo-brain of a corporation (MS/BGS). :) Thanks for the comment, fun to think about.
Interesting , Thank You for doing so many fine experements . The hypothermia makes sense . As a Northern Minnesotan I understand cold , in my experience moving around helps a lot . To me it's a lot simpeler to fight cold than heat
I realize we're talking about Starfield here, but I want to thank you for triggering a few incredible memories of the boundary waters canoe area wilderness. I was blessed to spend a little time there years ago, but only in nice weather. Hope you have a great Friday.
I did the achievements in the first month without mods. Since then I've only run a few mods from one author (m8r98a4f2). I'm on PC and run StarUI Inventory, Workbench and Outpost.
My opinion great upgrade more real, but if you learn spacesuit engineer, I think that's what it is called you should be able to put in a heating cooling system. With the visual lines running from the pack to the suit . Now to me that really would make it even more emersive, that is what I like also it would make more sense for researching these perks. Great video and good gaming to you.
I'm maxed out on my Spacesuit Engineering so I'm all in. It really feels like they could add features like this in the future very easily (if they want).
Thanks for the video. Question: Timestamp 12:24 I noticed your inventory UI, is that the vanilla one for the new patch or is that StarUI? If StarUI, is it still working then?
Good eye. That's just StarUI but I did have to disable StarUI HUD during the beta. The others (Inventory, Workshop and Outpost) seemed to still work. I try not to focus on mods much (in deference to our brothers and sisters in Xbox-landia). Looking forward to everyone having mods someday. ;)
They should add gravitational limb damage as well as for air preasure.. if a human ever ended on Venus even with a starfield magic suit, they'd be dead in minutes
Interesting. I actually like that you could easily die if you're not careful about different afflictions. Also, it gives me more reason to keep different spacesuit sets at the ready for every kind of environment. I'm waiting for this update to leave Beta, gonna add some light mods to the game and start a fresh playthrough. My current one has 400+ hours and a level 130 character. I did every single quest I could find, but I feel extreme difficulty is just what I need to make the game feel fresh!
You hit the nail on the head with the suits too. There are a lot of aspects of the game I could simply ignore before this. It will change the way I play in many ways and that includes paying closer attention to the suits and clothing.
@@kineer I can just imagine situations where you will be forced to run for shelter when a an acid rainstorm breaks! The only two things the new options are missing would be sleep stats and disabling fast travel. Add that and it would be perfect :D
Not surprising, the game play options are still a little janky in places, but I assume they will be dialed in within another update (or two). I originally thought this would be a throw-away character, but I keep enjoying old content with a new twist. I may keep him going.
In my testing; a storm def increases "any" environmental damage rate and it seems to get colder at night which will cause issues on already cold planets. Edit: Those 1x1 store rooms have around 25+ drinks that add +60 DMG resist and around 10 meal items - CF Ghosts always have them - great for when you play extreme (+69% XP) & don't swap your weapons ;) Edit 2: I was just on a moon w/solar radiation but only during day 👍 My first environmental death was I slept outside on Bessel III-b - DOH!
Excellent! Went back on the Transpo and it's stacked with food and drink. So much Erdebrau Light. I tested on Grissom and you do get both Solar Radiation and Ambient Heat on the day side. Solar Radiation goes away on the night side. Temps stayed the same at 429°C regardless of which side I was on. I still haven't wrapped my mind around that yet. ;)
I started a new game just to test something early ... hours later I'm just fighting pirates, stealing ships, exploring moons and catching radiation burns. This game distracts me at ever turn. :)
I did a lot of testing on this in the last few days (hasn't made it into a video yet). In this specific video I was sort of lol'ing my way into death just to confirm the outcome. This was right at the time of the update. The good news is what I've found recently fits well as 'survival tactics' and if it's predictable it's just another great feature for the game. The bad news is we're all a little paranoid that BGS introduced more bugs with patches and that makes enjoying it challenging. I might be able to help clear that up soon.
If I risk death getting to them, the world might seem smaller. I'm still a little concerned that (upon arrival) I'll be disappointed at what's there, but I certainly won't feel like I have all the time in the world to waste standing around outside on some worlds.
Depends on what 'environmental damage' means. If it means 'gaining afflictions' I can't see a difference between gear that provides higher protection (thermal 80, radiation 65) and lower (thermal 15, radiation 0). I got burns and heatstroke or radiation poisoning in both around 6:30 minutes. Bot then started getting worse, occasionally getting better. If the question is about 'rate of health loss', I can't say. I was taking health damage in both situations. At about 9:00, I went back in the ship and tried to sleep away the damage and take meds. Short version is: so far, it's not making sense in a simple way.
Good to know! Tested on Grissom. Solar Radiation wasn't present on the dark side, just Ambient Heat. On the day side, both. Oddly enough, temperature was 429°C on both sides. Also noted that around 6PM as the sun was setting, but still visible Solar Radiation clicked off. On the other side as the sun was rising it kicked in almost immediately. Good enough for me, still fun!
Im recently playing in extreme and to be honest Im not a fan of it. I hate how most enemies in Space act immune to this plus there living quarters where they eat, workout, and sleep are not even protected from this.
It's a stretch of the term, but often used in Starfield to describe it the difference between local time and Universal Time (UT). UT is modeled on Earth time is what game elements are generally tied to for the purpose of reset/replenishment. For example, a vendor might refresh inventory in 48 hours (UT). Planets and moons can have widely varying rotation speeds so the game calls whatever they have a day and divides it into 24 hours. So if you go to Venus and sleep for 24 hours, it's a local measure and FAR more UT passes. That's just my practical understanding. If I want things to reset, go sleep on Venus or Copernicus IV. There are many others. If you prefer to avoid any common Bethesda 'wait' tactics and just play the game letting time pass as you go, none of this would impact you.
From what I can tell, there is no way to 100% protect against the environment, I got Thermal to 85% and that is the max that I could get, I should have 100% but the game won't let me get there, also any caves or buildings should protect you but they don't, there has to be a way to protect against it 100%^ as some missions would be unfinishable to finish as I can't 100% protect against it, for example, I am doing the teramorph mission on the cold planet and I have to turn this off because I get hypothermia within 2 minutes even though my thermal says 85%, I always hated Bethesda for not letting 100%, even in Skyrim I modded it to get up to 100& chance to pickpocket as we could only do 90% lol Modders, get to it, lol
I might have read one or your comments somewhere else (or someone with the same issue). In short, you are not alone. In my testing, my suits were very inconsistent in providing any protection (up to affliction then in damage mitigation). I was swapping apparel (hazmat) plus different suits, standing around and dying "for science!" Something is not right and while I was excited for these features at first pass, my enthusiasm is significantly tempered at this point. The Londonian thing sounds like a mess. I had a bad experience underground at a simple Abandoned Hangar. I've read NASA is exposed as well. Not good.
@@kineer I forgot about NASA, even inside the complex you get radiation, makes no sense since your deep inside, I hope they fix these issues to make it playable. They said themself, changing suites for different situations, so if you have a suite with lots of protections or 100% if they allow that in the future, it would be awesome
It feels like there are features and characteristics that aren't "in" the game yet. Until now, I completely ignored all this environmental protection stuff except for a few special cases on encounter ships. Now, it seems like it matters. That said, I'm still hoping for paint jobs / skins.
Extreme is a game changer. I would call it a new game but having the prior knowledge helps in the long run (like where to find resources, best outposts, favorite weapons, etc.). Paying attention to health, drink, food is a new dimension. Currently an Xbox voyeur. Counting the days to the update.
Soon! (re: update).
I have so many games in my catalog where you just die soon after you start if you aren't paying attention. That IS part of the game itself. It is fun.
That won't be for everyone, but Starfield might end up flexible enough to give multiple audiences what they like.
Nice to see how dangerous it is gonna get but i think that the vehicle is gonna help a lot against extreme conditions.
Great point. Think about cranking up the difficulty and then having a vehicle that will get you to/from places and serve as an environmentally safe place.
You're a savage for putting Sarah through that. You know how concerned she gets.
She seemed so indifferent. :D
I guess that makes some of those environmental perks worth taking. As well as some of the suit abilities to add environmental resist. Problem is they never seem to last that long before depleted. Not long enough to run to a point of interest.
In storms, fast depletion and then trouble. On bright clear days, few problems.
I assume this is also tied directly to the planetary habitation rank factors in as well. Frost is level "2" and on a sunny, clear day I could run around for 5+ minutes before hypothermia struck. In a storm, not so much.
Theoretically this could mean that exploring a planet just became much more involved.
We can no longer run endlessly, taking breaks only to complain about the emptiness on Reddit or Facebook.
Now we have to check the weather, suit up properly and then head for POIs that provide legitimate shelter. Civilian Outposts are perfect for this and could be hubs in the future for far more content.
Those are all thought exercises and speculation about what happens in the foggy pseudo-brain of a corporation (MS/BGS). :)
Thanks for the comment, fun to think about.
Interesting , Thank You for doing so many fine experements . The hypothermia makes sense . As a Northern Minnesotan I understand cold , in my experience moving around helps a lot . To me it's a lot simpeler to fight cold than heat
I realize we're talking about Starfield here, but I want to thank you for triggering a few incredible memories of the boundary waters canoe area wilderness. I was blessed to spend a little time there years ago, but only in nice weather. Hope you have a great Friday.
Fantastic video, thank you so much. also do you get achievements with the mods you are using? And can you list them? thanks.
I did the achievements in the first month without mods. Since then I've only run a few mods from one author (m8r98a4f2).
I'm on PC and run StarUI Inventory, Workbench and Outpost.
"I like shiny things and free ships" - that's why we follow Kineer 😄
Everyone likes free ships! Shiny is a bonus.
My opinion great upgrade more real, but if you learn spacesuit engineer, I think that's what it is called you should be able to put in a heating cooling system. With the visual lines running from the pack to the suit . Now to me that really would make it even more emersive, that is what I like also it would make more sense for researching these perks. Great video and good gaming to you.
I'm maxed out on my Spacesuit Engineering so I'm all in. It really feels like they could add features like this in the future very easily (if they want).
Thanks for the video. Question: Timestamp 12:24 I noticed your inventory UI, is that the vanilla one for the new patch or is that StarUI? If StarUI, is it still working then?
Good eye. That's just StarUI but I did have to disable StarUI HUD during the beta. The others (Inventory, Workshop and Outpost) seemed to still work. I try not to focus on mods much (in deference to our brothers and sisters in Xbox-landia). Looking forward to everyone having mods someday. ;)
Thanks, appreciate the info
They should add gravitational limb damage as well as for air preasure.. if a human ever ended on Venus even with a starfield magic suit, they'd be dead in minutes
Brutal, love it!
Interesting. I actually like that you could easily die if you're not careful about different afflictions. Also, it gives me more reason to keep different spacesuit sets at the ready for every kind of environment. I'm waiting for this update to leave Beta, gonna add some light mods to the game and start a fresh playthrough. My current one has 400+ hours and a level 130 character. I did every single quest I could find, but I feel extreme difficulty is just what I need to make the game feel fresh!
You hit the nail on the head with the suits too. There are a lot of aspects of the game I could simply ignore before this. It will change the way I play in many ways and that includes paying closer attention to the suits and clothing.
@@kineer I can just imagine situations where you will be forced to run for shelter when a an acid rainstorm breaks!
The only two things the new options are missing would be sleep stats and disabling fast travel. Add that and it would be perfect :D
Good video, but I’ll be waiting for land vehicles and probably the DLC before starting a new extreme playthrough
Not surprising, the game play options are still a little janky in places, but I assume they will be dialed in within another update (or two).
I originally thought this would be a throw-away character, but I keep enjoying old content with a new twist. I may keep him going.
In my testing; a storm def increases "any" environmental damage rate and it seems to get colder at night which will cause issues on already cold planets.
Edit: Those 1x1 store rooms have around 25+ drinks that add +60 DMG resist and around 10 meal items - CF Ghosts always have them - great for when you play extreme (+69% XP) & don't swap your weapons ;)
Edit 2: I was just on a moon w/solar radiation but only during day 👍
My first environmental death was I slept outside on Bessel III-b - DOH!
Excellent! Went back on the Transpo and it's stacked with food and drink. So much Erdebrau Light.
I tested on Grissom and you do get both Solar Radiation and Ambient Heat on the day side. Solar Radiation goes away on the night side. Temps stayed the same at 429°C regardless of which side I was on. I still haven't wrapped my mind around that yet. ;)
Excited to basically start a brand new game when it drops for xbox
I started a new game just to test something early ... hours later I'm just fighting pirates, stealing ships, exploring moons and catching radiation burns. This game distracts me at ever turn. :)
how do you know which spacesuits to wear to avoid taking damage from the environment? That seems to be a concept I can’t wrap my head around.
I did a lot of testing on this in the last few days (hasn't made it into a video yet). In this specific video I was sort of lol'ing my way into death just to confirm the outcome. This was right at the time of the update.
The good news is what I've found recently fits well as 'survival tactics' and if it's predictable it's just another great feature for the game. The bad news is we're all a little paranoid that BGS introduced more bugs with patches and that makes enjoying it challenging. I might be able to help clear that up soon.
@@kineer thanks bro i subscribed
I just want generated poi to be more abundant and closer together on tiles
If I risk death getting to them, the world might seem smaller. I'm still a little concerned that (upon arrival) I'll be disappointed at what's there, but I certainly won't feel like I have all the time in the world to waste standing around outside on some worlds.
Do your space suits actually prevent you from taking as much environmental damage though?
Depends on what 'environmental damage' means. If it means 'gaining afflictions' I can't see a difference between gear that provides higher protection (thermal 80, radiation 65) and lower (thermal 15, radiation 0). I got burns and heatstroke or radiation poisoning in both around 6:30 minutes. Bot then started getting worse, occasionally getting better.
If the question is about 'rate of health loss', I can't say. I was taking health damage in both situations. At about 9:00, I went back in the ship and tried to sleep away the damage and take meds.
Short version is: so far, it's not making sense in a simple way.
Do report to Bethesda for that weapon switching resetting minutes for hydration and being fed. So that it doesn't make it to the final build.
It was reported on 5/1 (almost immediately, not by me).
@@kineer that's great to hear 🙏🏽
there is day / night impact. I tested with super hot planet and night time i didnt get affected by heat ;-)
Good to know!
Tested on Grissom. Solar Radiation wasn't present on the dark side, just Ambient Heat. On the day side, both. Oddly enough, temperature was 429°C on both sides.
Also noted that around 6PM as the sun was setting, but still visible Solar Radiation clicked off. On the other side as the sun was rising it kicked in almost immediately.
Good enough for me, still fun!
OK I didn't get the update on my console so I take it that it is only pc players right?
Today is one of those days to practice patience. I've heard meditation is helpful, but I'm using coffee. Lot of coffee (this is pretty normal for me).
Im recently playing in extreme and to be honest Im not a fan of it. I hate how most enemies in Space act immune to this plus there living quarters where they eat, workout, and sleep are not even protected from this.
The living quarters being unprotected has always bothered me.
There's time dilation?
It's a stretch of the term, but often used in Starfield to describe it the difference between local time and Universal Time (UT).
UT is modeled on Earth time is what game elements are generally tied to for the purpose of reset/replenishment.
For example, a vendor might refresh inventory in 48 hours (UT).
Planets and moons can have widely varying rotation speeds so the game calls whatever they have a day and divides it into 24 hours. So if you go to Venus and sleep for 24 hours, it's a local measure and FAR more UT passes.
That's just my practical understanding. If I want things to reset, go sleep on Venus or Copernicus IV. There are many others.
If you prefer to avoid any common Bethesda 'wait' tactics and just play the game letting time pass as you go, none of this would impact you.
Sara don’t give a poop
She blinked a few extra times, but that was it. Didn't even "dislike" it. :)
From what I can tell, there is no way to 100% protect against the environment, I got Thermal to 85% and that is the max that I could get, I should have 100% but the game won't let me get there, also any caves or buildings should protect you but they don't, there has to be a way to protect against it 100%^ as some missions would be unfinishable to finish as I can't 100% protect against it, for example, I am doing the teramorph mission on the cold planet and I have to turn this off because I get hypothermia within 2 minutes even though my thermal says 85%, I always hated Bethesda for not letting 100%, even in Skyrim I modded it to get up to 100& chance to pickpocket as we could only do 90% lol
Modders, get to it, lol
I might have read one or your comments somewhere else (or someone with the same issue). In short, you are not alone.
In my testing, my suits were very inconsistent in providing any protection (up to affliction then in damage mitigation). I was swapping apparel (hazmat) plus different suits, standing around and dying "for science!" Something is not right and while I was excited for these features at first pass, my enthusiasm is significantly tempered at this point. The Londonian thing sounds like a mess. I had a bad experience underground at a simple Abandoned Hangar. I've read NASA is exposed as well. Not good.
@@kineer I forgot about NASA, even inside the complex you get radiation, makes no sense since your deep inside, I hope they fix these issues to make it playable.
They said themself, changing suites for different situations, so if you have a suite with lots of protections or 100% if they allow that in the future, it would be awesome
Ok, I love Starfield for what it is, but I have to say, these suits have to be the worst in history.
It feels like there are features and characteristics that aren't "in" the game yet. Until now, I completely ignored all this environmental protection stuff except for a few special cases on encounter ships. Now, it seems like it matters. That said, I'm still hoping for paint jobs / skins.
@@kineer We will have to wait and see, but as it stands, current day NASA would probably not use these suits.
@@Acirno Then SpaceX would definitely turn them down. Not stylish enough. :)
The games flow is already terrible can’t imagine survival mode
Flow?