MIZUNO'S NEW JPX 923 IRON REVIEW // JPX 923 Hot Metal Pro, Hot Metal & Hot Metal High Launch
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Today, Ian heads to TPC Sugarloaf just outside the metro-Atlanta area in Duluth, GA to take a sneak peak at the new Mizuno Hot Metal JPX 923 line.
Working with Chris Voshall, Mizuno’s Golf Product Manager. Ian and Chris go in depth testing and gets a tutorial on the three new JPX 923 irons.
The three JPX 923 Hot Metal irons were designed to cosmetically mix and match seamlessly so golfers and fitters can blend clubs to make a set. The offset and sizes vary, but all three have thin, fast faces for more ball speed and sound-enhancing features to go with sleek, modern looks.
Having three models has created options tor elite tour players, slow swinging amateurs and every player in between.
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I cannot think of a better introduction to these clubs than hearing Ian and Chris discuss them.
Vosh is my favorite rep. Such a positive and genuine guy. Never feels like a sales pitch with him just helpfulness
Marty’s great too
@@lawbinson who is Marty with? I forget
Marty Jertson with Ping
Vosh repping and Fred striking the ball. Best team in golf.
Easy to see Vosh is a real golfer. He makes points that players care about. Such an informative review. Almost every player I know could benefit from the High Launch in long irons. A great idea and impressive engineering. I’ve seen these clubs and they are gorgeous.
I watched the entire video and it was so informative. Please keep bringing this level of content and Chris is one of your best guests.
This is the best product breakdown and the explanation of options for the average golf that I've ever read or watched on a video presentation.
I’m a Mizuno fan and it’s great to see the brand continuing to gain momentum with more and more great products.
no if you have 921's...gotta say im upset on the nickel chromoly...they should have gotten there before...love my 921's hm pro but wished i had a bit more hotness as these seem to be..
@@nelsonnobrega1133 do you have the 921 HM? Mine should arrive tomorrow curious to game them and see what they are all about
Just got fit today and fitter placed me in the 923 HL. I struggled with a lower launch and low spin rates causing me to roll from front to back of greens more often then I’d like to admit! HL is really going to be a game changer for me - I can’t wait for my new irons to come in!
Let us hear about how you are getting on with them.
Have you received your new clubs? How were they? I've seen really positive reviews almost everywhere
@@adrian_ncm think he's quit golf
I had the same fact same issue, fitted today, very excited!
Mizuno are always killing it
Just got got fit for the 923HL. Can’t wait to get them now always struggled with height not distance and they were perfect. Ended up with a dynamic gold 105s too. Out performed the Stealth irons by a mile for me. Now the wait for the build. Please be speedy Mizuno!!!
The Vosh!!! 🙌 Love when we get the tech talk with these two and so great to hear. Excited to test these
Best review ever, by far the most informative available, thanks again
IMHO Mizuno best iron company going and actually all their clubs are amazing. I have the JPX-900 Hot Metals and these clubs are outstanding. At 60 I hit the ball as far or even a tad further in the long irons and by the way still play the 4i it's a cheater club! iI's crazy. i would love to get these new JPX-923 Hot Metals but I can't justify how well I play the 900's. Maybe Santa will have a good list with a curve!!!! Well done Mizuno.
I have yet to game a set of mizuno but every time they drop new irons I am so tempted to swipe a card
As a 10 HCP, I love the 919 Hot Metals. So forgiving and buttery smooth.
I agree! No need to upgrade just yet though tempting 😉
@@Cue521Exactly. I wish they made those limited edition blue mizunos in lefty though 😂
I fluctuate between a 7-9 handicap depending on how much I get to play and I have the 921 Forged that Ian mentioned from last year(fit at TXG). I love them so much, I definitely will not be upgrading for the next few years. Mizuno and buttery smooth irons go hand in hand!!
hit the 923hm pro today and, coming from a forged head, I couldn't believe how great this club felt for a non forged head.
Since I don't get to play or practice as often as I once did, I decided to dig playing with "Players'" irons (PXG Gen 4 "P") and drop to a slightly more forgiving irons enter the new Mizuno Hotmetal JPX 923. I can attest they're everything advertised and more!!! Explosive, forgiving and consistent in other words everything needed for a fun round of golf and going low on the score. Much too often casual golfers tend to wanna impress others with the type irons they're playing (i.e. Pro, CB, MB series with the thinnest top line) verses what allows them to obtain the lowest score... but you don't get style points in Golf.
I bought the HL irons and gained 12 yards over my Steelhead XR's. Even with the HL's being more loft I hot more ball speed. I am guessing because of the new tech. Thank you Mizuno! Oh, also the more offset in the HL's did not effect my ball flight. If anything I am more accurate now. JC
Very informative, I've been playing the Srixon ZX5/ZX7 combo since they came out. I think I'm going to book my appointment with Club Champion and give the Hot Metal Pro's a try out.
the zx5/zx7 are still very very good clubs, the zx7 mkii is coming out soon, I think I'm gonna wait for that to upgrade from my jpx 919 tours
Luv my JPX 921 Hot Medal Pro's irons. This year I put their new driver, 3 wood, and 4 and 5 hybrid in my bag.
HL is really what a lot of golfers needed in this category. Hopefully they will put their ego aside and game an iron that really helps their game. The standard hot metal and pro look to be low launch low spin irons much like the Stealth irons or Forged Tec X. Ego must be a driving component in this category because I imagine more players will opt for these in the hitting bay over the HL but will then wonder why their 7 iron hit the green and bounded 15 yards off the back lol.
It’s curious because the player that has the right swing speed and delivery to get the most out the the standard and pro will most likely NOT game an iron like that and will go to forged or tour. Who am I to judge though lol. Glad they at least increased the bounce to help the launch and spin. That’s the reason I went with i525s. So easy to hit with much improved sound and feel.
No left hand option for high launch
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Great review and format. Informative understanding more about Mizuno and lines of irons they make. With the three different designs there is one engineered for each of my two sons and myself. This is fun stuff I’m learning. Thanks
Thanks Chris and Ian did I miss the part in the video about the comparison options available between Lefties and Righties? Always part of release reviews I love included. Thanks again. 👍
Impressive engineering. Vosh and the boys looks like they knocked another one out of the park.
I love blended set. It seems Mizuno and PXG are really nailing the customized offerings for golfers. I went PXG but am definitely considering Mizuno as a front runner on the next upgrade.
My two favorite iron companies. The HMB was a real disappointment for me though. 0311T Gen3 did for me what I hoped the HMB would do. A not-quite-blade with just a little extra juice but still great feel. Mizuno 223/225 look great but I haven't had a chance to try them yet.
Great video. I will be looking at these for sure
After my fit I kept thinking it's just a 6 iron with a 7 printed on the back. But considering they all launched around 19 degrees, it just makes sense to go with the club that gives more ballspeed.
I love my Joy Passion Excitement 921 HMP irons.
Bought a full set of the 923 pro irons and these go helluva farther than my taylormade stealth set. Really impressed but I did lose around 450 rpms of spin
Just picked up a set of HMs this morning, easy distance! First round in 2 days!
Love these!!!! Need to get in for a test drive!!!!! Great job lads
Had me all excited to look at the HL, being the Dad in the group,..lol.
But alas, no left handed option. The grinch stole Christmas.
Makes me want to get fit for these.
I just recently purchased the 921 hot metals 7-GW along with the 4-6 Fli-Hi hybrids. This is my second set of Mizuno irons but my first Mizuno hybrids. As a lifelong golfer and someone who buys clubs frequently and from most all of the major manufacturers I’d like to say that not only are the irons fantastic but the Fli-Hi hybrids are fabulous! I’m writing to ask and to wonder why the Fli-HI’s aren’t mentioned here especially since they are an integral part of the fitting of the Hot Metal line? Just asking?
Nice one. All intestering to hear how achieved. Would have liked the two of you to address how gaping would work and what it might mean for different players in terms of qty of wedges or leaving other clubs behind
I find it crazy that none of the worlds best play mizuno irons, they are unbelievable
They don't pay like Callaway & TaylorMade. The other reason is that most deals are full bag (or 13 clubs/all but putter) and Mizuno's drivers weren't good enough until very recently.
P.S. They should've paid Koepka.
me just now realizing its 9/23 and the embargo is lifted on the 923s.....
🤯
nah bro it's the 23/9
Mizuno is 1337 fam
@@maxphilpott9677 agreed, there’s only 12 months in a year so where does 23 come in?
I already have the 921's but it'd be fun to try these. I did have a little laugh when I saw the "High Launch" model also has 3 degrees of more loft relative to the others lol.
Well done ,next generation for sure
The exact video I was looking for. I am a 20 handicap. Love the Hot Metal then I was given the Pro to try. I was getting another 10 yards carry. I am a stronger 60 yod golfer. Do you think the Pro is too much for me to use a a club to be a better golfer? Or should I just get the Hot Metal. Thanks for your opinion...
Get the pros
This demo test I feel would have been better suited to Mike or another staffer with average or below average swing speed.
The HL version spinning an 8-iron nearly 9000 w/185 carry is pretty crazy. That said, imagine a more normal swing speed of its target. I could see the target demographic spinning 7000 w/155 carry, which is more than ideal. While the 35* loft is strong, it should lead to 43-44* PW, which is not crazy in this era and a 4-wedge makeup seems plausible.
The other 2 with 33* 8-irons leads to same issue I have with every ‘distance’ club I see. What’s my wedge makeup? Do I carry 5 wedges? My PW alone is 41, maybe 42? It’s true I play ‘traditional lofted irons’ but that 8-iron is only 1* weaker than my 6. At the very least, wouldn’t it be better to call that a 7?
The other issue with these superlofts is gapping and playability. Your 30yd gapping from 8-5 iron is maybe a bit tighter than I like for mid-irons but it’s acceptable. What happens w/targeted audience w/slower ss? I’m betting that gapping tightens. A 22* 5-iron? That’s my 3-iron loft. Even with all of the CG manipulation, do we really expect someone w/limited or even average ss to consistently launch a 22* iron? I’m betting they sell a lot of 6-PW sets.
We got the Dezzzzzziiiinnee we expect in the Liiiinnnnnneee. Love it!
I don't like my irons having offset, but I do like the forgiveness. Trying to decide if I should go Pro or Standard. Leaning Pro due to less offset.
did you end up picking the pros?
@@FRUNk808 I got the pros and the high launch. Like the pros better.
What do you recommend for a higher handicapper with high swing speed…. 93 mph 7 iron
So the HM HL do I have this right? - I’m seeing better decent angle, way more forgiving, and distances are that of the traditional lofted clubs. Is this club really as good as it seems? The best of everything players want. Would better players that might play the 233, who want more forgiveness without sacrificing distance control and actually seeing more spin be a fit for these? Instead of going into the 923 forged or hot metal pro?
Very cool. Just hope, lefthanded are available.
Great review. Unfortunately the HL version is not available to lefties like myself so probably will have to look at other manufacturer options.
a very beautiful irons with very strong lofts, even with a pro model. my god, 28 degrees for 7i!?
Of course the tour line isn’t offered in LH….thanks again mizuno
I'm left handed and play righty. 😏
Are they expecting to offer the forged version for left-handers? I know there's limitations on what you can get for left-handed players
Is it possible to adjust hm pro to weaker loft ? Say 1,5 degree ?
PAUL CASEY SHALL NOT BE NAMED 😂
So I shouldn’t add a high spin ball to change flight? Isn’t that what TXG says to do? Bandaid?
Can you guys do a comparison with the Mizuno JPX 923 HM/HMP and Titleist T300? ... PLEASE!!!
I can't seem to get along with the JPX line. Still play my old Mizuno MP33s. Even new 221 MB doesn't beat the 33s for me. Combination of turf interaction, feel, distance control and so on. This being said, if I ever replaced my MP33s, I would be buying Mizuno irons to do so. Would love to be able to work with Chris on proper fitting. His knowledge not only of his product line but golf itself is impressive. And, of course, doesn't get more impressive than Ian.
Great video and I appreciate it much!
Vosh, could have be buy Ketchup popsicles in a white suit. He is so good and so much passion for Mizuno.
@ianfraser would love to see you force yourself to game some HMs for a full season
Thanks for this video. I’m looking to switch to the HTP irons, unfortunately the steel shaft options have greatly dwindled because of shipping problems.
I’m curious if Mizuno has gotten any updates as to delivery dates for out of stock shafts?
I’d love to take those off your hands my irons just broke and don’t have the money to get new irons would love to be blessed by you
Where's the JPX 923 Pro and Forged? Are they not releasing yet?
Check Mizuno website. This video only was for the Hot Metal series. Mizuno also hasn’t short video on their channel for all new irons released today.
Pro and Forged are set to release in Jan 2023
When’s the JPX923 Tour model video dropping??? That’s the one I’m waiting on?
Early in the new year.
Is there a noticeable difference between the 921 HM and 923 HM? I did notice the lofts are a little more jacked up in the 923s but was wondering if the feel was the same as the 921s. Swung them last week and they felt great. Currently gaming Taylormade RSi1 and the 921s felt far superior
Close your eyes and tell me this doesn't sound like Rory and Mr. Short Game talking 😂
We need more forgiving irons with thinner soles that don’t have crazy lofts. I barely take any divots so anything with wider soles feels like it gets stuck to the ground. Also don’t want a set where I need to go 5 iron to 3 hybrid but have 5 wedges because of lofts.
Completely agree. The 5 wedge bag makeup hurts my brain.
I don’t know that you can get a thin sole for this type club that’s manipulating CG for easier launch. They are already employing high density metal w/tungsten inserts in sole. We need the real estate in that sole to enable that low CG.
For someone who has turf interaction issues but wants the advantage of lowered CG for better launch, I’d suggest demoing different sole grinds. The Srixon v-sole usually helps. I play Muira 501’s, which have very thin sole but switched out the 3-iron for a Srixon U85 driving iron last year. Took a bit to get accustom to the greater offset and was mostly intended as a safe tee club on holes into wind. After adapting to it, I’ve found I use it far more than expected on fairways, especially as approach on par 5’s. The turf interaction is simply brilliant and it has launch profile to land relatively soft for a 22* lofted iron.
Vosh has already mentioned this in other videos - forgiving clubs can't have thinner soles and thin top lines because it need vertical balance to compliment the longer heel to toe design of the club - if they could of done it would of been done 20 years ago and every oem would only make forgiving blades :)
I thought the V sole was better suited for steeper swings?
For me it comes down to how you define forgiveness. A wider sole helps with chunked hits and maybe to get the ball up in the air but that’s not where I need help with. I compared some designs of 10-15 irons and landed on there TM P770 as these seemed to have the best compromise between thinner sole and forgiving club design.
Maybe TXG can dedicate a video to test irons for people with shallower swings ;)
@Dominik Altheimer I'm loving my Titleist T100s irons. They are a touch stronger lofts but not too much and the soles are just right in thickness and fairly forgiving. I've added a T200 2 iron up the top and play 50/56 & 62 degree wedges. 3 wood and driver round off my set up and I have a Ping G425 17 degree hybrid for courses when my 2 iron gets left out.
@@chrissellings Love the looks of them but I don’t think my ball striking is there yet. Maybe in a couple of years 🤞
I am even more confused now, last week i was ready to get fitted for 225's, now i have these to check out. I need help with longer irons and love the feel of my forged wedges through the ground. I hate the game improvement clubs I have now and i need the help but i need a club that isn't a shovel. These have no feel and horrible movement through the turf and take horrible chunky divots that kill the distance a defeat the purpose of GI irons.
Don't sleep on PXG 0311T. I did P in the 5&6 iron, T on the rest. Longtime Mizuno blade player but old & needed just a little help but not too much. Super happy.
The prices on the gen 4s are really appealing right now.
Could these be cleaned with a chrome metal polish? My apologies if someone asked already.
Yes, should've had Mikey hit these too.
Will they be making a jpx tour
I have a set of JPX Hot Metal 921 down to 5 Iron. Do you think the JPX Hot Metal HL 4 Iron would blend well as I can't get launch on the JPX Hot Metal 921 4 Iron?
Can we still get fitted by TXG and not Club Champion? I have heard and read bad reviews about Club Champion's customer service.
We’d be delighted to fit you Paul. Reach us at info@txg.ca
so is high launch for the slower swing speeds that can not get height or some that maybe quicker that just doesn't create enough spin to get the landing angle, kind of missed who the target golfer is?
Exactly how you put it. I got fit to the HL as I struggle with height and spin but not speed. It’s also for excessive shave lean players. I’ve got the Dyanmic Gold 105s in them and they felt great. Now the build wait time.
When can we get fitted for these in the US?
Should be able to get fitted for them today. I had a fitting on 9/17/22 that already had the demos to try.
Is there a difference in how thick the sole is between all 3 models..I'd prefer an iron not thick and chunky looking
What are the main differences performance wise between the Hot Metal Pro and the Pro 225? Thanks!
Hot metal pro is cast, 225 is forged
Damn, I have the jpx921 forged now I am going to have to speak nicely to the Mrs again !!!
They look identical to 921 line. Why upgrade?
Not a big enough change between these and the 921 to shell out another $1.2k for a full set.
22* five iron for the hot metal pro is very strong
That speed is normally your 7. Thats impressive.
Well I was about to pull the trigger on the JPX21 Hot Metal, but might have to hold out to fit some 923s
is there going to be a forged and tour model?
Yes, in the new year.
Pretty sure the way club manufacturers are going where longer is better even in players irons that their's gonna be a need for 5 wedges starting at like a 45 degree and your 4 iron will go as far as your 3 wood so you'll only need a driver..... or actually you won't need a driver because 3 woods don't have the same cor limits drivers do so they'll just make them a little bigger but hotter and you'll only carry one wood a juiced up 3 wood and 8 wedges lol
Where's the 923 forged model?
At almost 70 I can’t imagine hitting an 8 iron 178! Don’t seem possible for senior golfers. Let’s talk real numbers of the average golfer, not pros.
4-gw is like 3-p in traditionally lofts.
Can I please buy a set of the proto types… I’ll take all the heat I can get
Looks like the same same from the JPX this year around...I don't see why anyone would be compelled to switch?
anyone know who Vosh is referring to re flying the green at East Lake with a hot metal? @16:00
Mr Paul Casey
Which club would be more forgiving, the Fli Hi pro or Hot Metal Pro, in the long irons?
@@Photomac07 I'm referring to their Fli Hi Pro utility to the Hot Metal Pro long iron.
Fli HI Pro off the tee and HMP on the turf
Yep. Depends on how wet the ground is. More sole = More Bounce = less turf interaction.
In the long irons, by what you describe, I’d say the HM pro.
I have the JPX 921 GW- 5i and MP20 HMB 3i.
this vs 225 pro?
I've never heard of the COR limit for irons???
COR limit, currently @83%, applies to all clubs; drivers, fw woods, hybrids, utilities, irons, etc. If it only applied to certain clubs, you know oe’s would develop a new ‘club type’ to skirt such limits.
This is a really odd video because Ian has clearly been hitting the players 923 irons before this and he and Vosh keep referring to that
I've never liked products with pro or tour labels stamped on them. It's so cliché now. I don't think Ping or Titleist do though and I think their equipment speaks for itself.
If it works for me I don't care what they call it. Not sure why it matters.
I just bought the 921s a month ago......
They’re still great clubs especially if you were fitted for them.
Now with a very low center of gravity, stronger lofts work…
Talk about jacked up lofts my 6 iron is 32°
My Callaway Rogue X 6-iron is 24 degrees. I love it, hit it far and high.
So in reality it's equivalent to an old 4 iron
@@kevinbooth8194 Loft wise yes, but it goes much higher than an old school. 4-iron due to the weighting and center of gravity
Correct but when you get to the wedges and you are playing a 41° pitching wedge the gapping is too great for specialty wedges
Mizuno is ahead of the curve here. Distance irons have become way out of control with low lofts that can't achieve proper flights.
Distance irons that spin well is such a good design.
IMO loft is the key to distance. Whatever the number on the bottom of the club if it has, for example, 33 degrees of loft it will carry a very similar distance to any other club with 33 degrees of loft (unless the shaft length is significantly different as that impacts on club head speed).
In my experience every golfer has a limit to how low a lofted club that player can consistently launch - it depends on swing speed and attack angle. For me any iron below 25 degrees of loft is a challenge, but that can be improved if the CG is low enough. Not changing clubs but it would interesting to try the long irons in the new HM range.
Well I guess if there’s a limit to the specs and these are right on that limit I guess no need to make another iron ever because technically this is the best you can ever get is what he’s saying . I’ll stick with my Pro 225’s
Give me JPX HM and HM pro in higher lofts and I can blend them into one set but 28,5 7i really? Went too far. Look at Ping they give you power loft if you want to want to fool yourself in distance but also retro spec if you are more down to earth but want to max forgiveness
Literally the same iron as a few years ago with some new marketing... still awesome though. Why change something that wasn't broken?
Literally? So you already hit them?
Just checked the specs on the mizuno site. How many years left until the 7 iron goes under 25 degrees of loft? Why even bother making anything under a 6 iron. Nothing against Mizuno, they are all doing it. Kind of pointless. They are just changing the numbers on the bottom of the irons. The 7 iron at 28.5 degrees loft is a 5 iron.
so the highlaunch is actually not a distance iron
Sure it is. It's still strong lofted, just a couple degrees weaker than the other 2 models. Purpose is to increase launch and spin with more back-weighting.