Brent Watches - Sic Transit Vir | Babylon 5 For the First Time 03x12 | Reaction Video
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2023
- Join Brent as he does his first watch of the Babylon 5 Season 3 episode "Sic Transit Vir." In this one, Londo goes hunting, Vir gets married, a bad joke comes true, and Sheridan becomes a former president. So join Brent as he dives into his first watch of this episode.
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A great reminder as to how great a character Vir really is. He is just so innocent to the reality of what is really going on around him. His reaction towards what Lyndisty has done to the Narn. He is one of the true good guys.
Yeah, I think we always saw Vir as the 'heart' of Babylon 5.
I think this is the "palate cleanser" you were expecting last week, just a fun episode with little bits of character development.
Last episode was kind of the epilogue to the previous 3-part story.
This.
The word Vir is Latin and it can mean the following things:
1 man
2 husband
3 hero
4 person of courage, honour, and nobility
And "transit", correct me if I'm wrong, is not only moving from place to place, but also to change, evolve, transcend.
So, I would translate the title of this episode as "Thus a man is made" or "Thus Vir becomes a hero".
I love this translation thank you. I always thought of it as meaning “Thus goes Vir” which I took to mean “Vir being Vir” or “Vir becoming Vir” but your construction puts it together much more elegantly.
Now there is word play.
This episode always reminds me of a parallel of 1940's Germany. Some of the most handsome and successful men and the most talented and beautiful women then. Had such a dark and evil ideology.
Then also Vir having his Schindler's list moment. Even knowing what he was doing could have been a death sentence. Not just for him but his entire family.
I think we all love the Minister. So sweet.
Let's hand it to Ivanova. While we have Sheridan, Delenn, Kosh more focused on the big picture, which makes sense, she totally stepped up here and took lead of the practical/immediate situation. A great war is looming in the horizon, but the Narns are suffering right now, and someone had to do something. Vir deserves all the credit for starting the refugee operation and for the 2000 lives he saved, but unfortunately he got exposed, it would happen eventually. As an outsider, Ivanova saw the opportunity to continue his work and made it happen. I love how much she cared, and I love how she took that concern and turned it into action, with no performative "thoughts and prayers". I assume this was a few days/weeks after the rebirth ceremony, so maybe saying what she needed to say and letting go of what happened with Talia had a positive effect on her, even if her dream shows she's still a bit unsure of herself.
I always like how Ivanova seems "hard nosed" but you realize that she's not really strict about the rules, she's strict about being morally sound.
Maybe Ivanova feels a bit guilty for exposing that Vir was up to, thus potentially condemning many future Narns who might have escaped homeworld for better medical and living conditions.
@@ianstopher9111 I thought about it, but it was inevitable. Vir's situation was a precarious one amongst the Centauri, doing all that alone, he's still learning the secrets of the diplomatic/espionage trade, and he didn't confide in anyone in the B5 crew or Delenn, who would definitely be on his side. Unfortunately, the Narns with the blood oath against his to be wife were what actually got him exposed, them attacking Vir was was made Ivanova dig deeper. I think she was quite aware that all she did was her job, and did it well. But yes, perhaps it was "being good at my job backfired, I'll fix it by going the extra mile".
Hand it to her she betrayed Vir she could have at least talked to him again before Dobing to Londo a small effort on her part
@@kympridham8267 she knew Vir would never do something that bad on his own, so she blamed Londo. And she didn't confront him alone, Sheridan was with her, indicating they were so done with Londo by this point that they were expecting a more serious confrontation. But I guess this is one of those instances we'll agree to disagree.
Gotta love Vir
'We have... six. Six, ahn... six. We have six. Number one is, ahhn, nyaah. But by the time you get to number five, it's haahn huuhn haaaaah HAAAH!' 😂😂Oh Vir, please never change...
Episodes like this - ones that aren't a "banger" (to use your term), are meant to further ground your view of the character - in this case, Vir. This is the brilliance of JMS because eventually, he's gonna start pulling the strings and things will coalesce :)
Yes, this episode is not the best of the season, but it is really good -- and troubling at once. It shows more of the problems with Centauri marriages in general, and how wrong people get put together. Even then Vir shows his true colors in many ways. This is the "Soul Mates" of the season, and imo, deeper than Soul Mates, and when it does it turn to the dark side, it really shows the full point of the episode. So, I like it a lot, but wouldn't put it in the top 5....
Jeff was probably thinking of Sic Semper Tyrannis, which now that I think about it DOES have something to do with this episode.
Yes! I came up with Sic transit Gloria mundi" which I now think isn't a real quote.
@@jeandoten1510 No, it that _is_ in fact a real quote: "Thus passes the glory of the world."
I think "Sic Transit Gloria Mundi" is a better match. In that context "Sic Transit Vir" can be interpreted as both "Thus passes Vir" (we see what is happening with him), as well as "Thus passes Vir's glory" (no longer an ambassador).
This episode flies under the radar a bit I think. It's a good reminder what this show is all about, it's characters. You have the big galactic events taking place, but this again grounds with our characters and what's going on with their lives.
And happy to see you laughing at Londo again
Me too
I think one think that B5 can do better than Trek is presenting situations where doing the right thing is actually likely to get you killed or (in this case) fired. It's one thing to act ethically and honorably while you are hovering above a stone aged planet in the flagship of Starfleet, it's quite another when you are one slightly befuddled man trying to make a stand against his own empire to save a handful of their hated enemy. I like how they portray Vir as lacking in most common heroic traits. He's not well-spoken or handsome or traditionally badass in any way, but he's brave as hell.
Love love love this episode. Basically because I love Vir. Season three has some such good standalones next to such great big whams. This one of course is Vir's List to me (a couple years out from a certain Oscar winning film).
Yes we have seen that one guy before
but it is easy to forget at this point when and where
@@hornorsilk2901 That's an issue that will come up during "Babylon 5 for the Second Time" 🤫
@@davidblauyoutube which is why I didn't mention more
I like very much for this episode. Londo was just a blast. This is not what is called important episode, but it does play well for previous episodes but also things to come, albeit missing this episode wouldn't ruin anything but you missing Londo duelling with a bug in a big perspective. This however does give bit more information about Centauri gender roles but also hints very strong upbringing for women. Females for Centauri... are mostly... Political currency. You can marry them and bring houses together and create alliances. Just like Princess were in medieval times.
Yes, despite calling themselves the Centauri Republic, they're pretty much an empire, comparable to European kingdoms from the middle ages up to the 18th, 19th century. Marriages link houses, women are the bridges that serve this purpose, and a political actor tries to play his cards (the young women and/or men in his house) to the maximum advantage of his house.
I mean, it's still obviously important as a Vir episode and as a moment of lightness between heavier things. That dynamic is vital to convey the sense of the life of the station. Londo and Vir both needed this lightness.
Claudia christian is very pretty
Vir is the closest Babylon 5 has to an everyman figure (along with Zach). He's the audience's representative in the show. I think that's why his name is simply "Man" (in Latin).
Good observation
SIX!!!
So the women... also ... six?
This episode is the seed sprouting from G'kars encounter with Vir earlier on "Dead. Dead. Dead. How do you apologise to them?" "I can't," It was EATING at Vir that
Also, I love the tie in with Sheridan and Abraham Lincoln. Interesting that Sheridan and Captain Kirk both have an affinity for Lincoln.
OMFG “Piller Filler”
I’ve never heard that before but it’s so true 😂😂😂
One thing that's kind of fascinating about Lyndisty is that Vir is very much Vir, and she just can't wrap her head around the idea that he really thinks like he claims to, and presumes that deep down he's just like her and hiding it for some reason, so she runs with the assumption that he's doing some sort of make-believe at being someone who cares about the Narn.
Related to Ivanova's dream - you should google Claudia's name with a certain magazine name known for pictures of bunnies.
Yes, that's really her. I was in a convention where she signed printed copies.
"Sic transit gloria mundi": thus passes the glory of the world. It's a phrase used in papal coronation ceremonies to remind the new pope that earthly honours are fleeting. Seems quite similar to the "memento mori" (remember you are mortal) that was whispered to Roman generals during a Triumph. As for Vir, his name just means "man" in Latin. He is the everyman, the man for all seasons.
Lol!! Londo vs the bug(s?) is always fantastic!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂💗💗💪😎💪
"There's more of you, isn't there? THERE'S MORE OF YOU!"
@@Asehpe 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Babylon 5 had something in common with Star Trek, even the episodes that aren't particularly memorable or even important, they almost always have something in it that is entertaining. There are dozens of scenes I remember from DS9 and Voyager that I couldn't tell you which episode they're from. (Odo telling Bashir he might have won an award, because he heard it from his friend's, brother's, roommate's etc etc etc comes to mind. Such a great scene, that I couldn't tell you which episode it's in, and I have to search through entire seasons to find it every time.) B5 could just be FUN sometimes, even if the episode was completely forgettable.
Fun is good. More fun.
"Vir believes in her ability to change." Yes, Vir is quite a likeable guy, isn't he? He's ready to expect the best from people. I think this was already visible before, and here in this episode it shines bright. Vir has a heart, which is not a frequent thing among his fellow citizens at that time... Lyndisty is a more typical example. I imagine she is here to show us how 'normal' people with 'good' hearts can still be horribly cruel -- I remember comments I've heard about how some Nazi commanders were good fathers and cared for their families... Which is why I think Vir doesn't simply decide to hate her, as he did Mr. Morden. He sees that, as he put it, her ideas ... need rehabilitation.
She is the epitome of a person raised with a deeply ingrained perception of superiority/ inferiority between species/ races. "They " are something completely different than "us". Savages, barely more than animals, etc. In reality, a lot of Sci-Fi deals with this concept if we meet another , more advanced species, that we may simply be seen as vermin in the way of their pursuits. (IE, Independence Day. Just kill us with no regard and use our planets resources for themselves.
"Sic transit gloria mundi" - So passeth the glory of the world. Both a nod to majesty, and a bittersweet reminder of death's inevitability (memento mori).
Or גם זה יעבור which was used by Abraham Lincoln in a speech before becoming president.
And "Vir" itself is the Latin word for "Man", used as an English root for words like Virile. So passeth the Man. Or so passes Vir, who is The Man for what he did in this episode.
@@back2babylon513 Or Vir passes and becomes a man.
Yeah we've seen the Centauri minister before. Can't recall which ep, but he's definitely shown up.
We have seen the old Centauri guy before, and he is likeable
Lyndisi is very much a product of the Centauri aristocracy.
This is such a beautiful episode for Vir's character. On top of that it does have some nice comedic moments.
There has been some foreshadowing of what Vir has done in this episode, remember when happened?
Loved to see your reaction here, to a non "wham" episode.
Looking forward to your discussion with Jeff.
Be seeing you!
We are at the point in the show when even the "so so" episodes are good, and serve as a respite from the high octane energy of some of the more intense episodes (although I would argue this one is better than just so so). This will likely rank nearer the bottom of the list but it is a very memorable episode, and one I never have trouble recalling the events in it. lol
2 things bother me, one, though the scene with Londo and the bug are meant to be funny, and on first watch they are, but I can't help but think this is how he treats the Narns, as bugs to be squashed, and then it is less fun...
The second is a gaff... According to JMS there was a line accidentally cut from the dialog saying that the Narn Lidesty had attacked was recovering in med lab. So not a spoiler since it was a mistake and is not revealed at any other time. But without knowing that, it kind of leaves you wondering what happened to the second Narn.
You did see the minister previously. But it was in a video communication.
poor vir putting the 6 on a pedestal
And that's one of the things that make Babylon 5 what it is. The 'little' characters are not forgotten. They get their own stories on the side, their own development.
Remember when Vir tried to apologize to G'kar? Not knowing what the former Emperor wanted to do? Well, G'kar knows it and while he probably appreciated Vir's gesture he couldn't forgive.
On the other hand, now there are 2,000 Narn that probably know or will learn why they are still alive. Also, remember the prophecy that Vir will become Emperor? If that happens, who knows where this could lead to.
But I digress. Vir already knows too much of what has been going on behind the curtain. How he tried to stop Londo and failed which caused the death of so many Narn. It's no his fault in any way, but guilt isn't always logical. But he had to do something.
Fun little episode. Notice how everyone is trying to remind Ivanova of her naked dream. JMS is having fun.
Yes, you have seen minister Verini before, although he was just on a TV screen talking to Londo.
Was surprised you didn't clip the piece where she revealed that her dad was effectively a concentration camp guard during the first Centauri occupation, and she was a willing participant in hundreds of murders.
Much as I love Vir, I hope he's not sincere about her redemption, because she'd need to become a modern day Raoul Wallenberg to do that.
I find it funny that Centauri have six reproductive organs no wonder lando such a horndog
I've always wondered if this means that Centauri women have six vaginas. The series never addresses that, though...
The Prime Minister is a fun comic foil . . . remember him for later.
Why do Centauri jokes always feel a bit stale, though? "A room full of angry Narns, hahahahahahaaaa....!" ?!?
Vir is the best of us.
Indeed.
So, B5 meets Schindler's List with Vir playing Oskar Schindler? 🙂
I do appreciate the fact that the episode recognised that with where the Centauri are now that you can't just keep it as a wacky episode. Too much blood has been drawn and so the bigotry they hold has to be addressed or it would just be false.
Yeah, that was G'Kar's point to Vir. "How can you apologize to the dead?" "I can't." "Then I can't forgive you either."
Lyndisty is a beautiful, proper, traditional Centari wife. This illustrates how Centuries marriages are arranged among the nobility and how deranged the Centauri truly are at their heart.
Too late good sir, the assassins are already en route.
The actor who played the wacky Centauri Mister was in the season 1 episode "The Quality of Mercy" as a Centauri but we don't know if it is the same character.
He asked specifically not to say where we may have seen him.
Also from the episode where we first learnt TMI about Centauri appendages...
Don't reall if you've seen this new Centauri guy before. He is a recurring character that is just mostly a mid-level royal court administration guy. About as easy going and harmless as Vir.
(Bit like a secretary, receptionist.) I don't know if we actually see the current Emperor until maybe Season 4. Mostly just staff passing on his wishes.)
Spoiler alert, guys!
@@user-en5do9ol8q Actually, as I think about it, I think the "new guy" was the one seen on screen back during the prior Emperors reign encouraging Londo to make possible allies, leading to him taking Lennier out on their series of escapades, and the previous comments about Centauri parts.
Sic transit Vir. Thus passes Vir. Or: Thus passes the man. The title is a pun. It is about Vir becoming a man. Sort of.
I can't think of many shows that would have to gall to insert a pun in Latin as an episode title!
It is a multi-layered pun.
Sic Transit Gloria Mundi - is a warning given to new popes that all earthly honours are fleeting. They may have reached the top of the Church's hierarchy but sudden events could cause them to lose it again. Vir loses his honourable position as ambassador here.
Sic Transit Vir sounds like "Seek transit Vir," and, looking into the Narn transit papers, Ivanova finds Vir is responsible.
So... you'd rate this episode.. what? A "two" ?
Tune in on Monday when we do Deltas and Starfuries
Many human men do stupid things, because of 1 thing acting up around women, it's a wonder the Centauri men are getting anything done with 6 aiming to distract them whenever a pretty Centauri woman walks in the room.
Never thought of it from this perspective but it has merit
Spoilers, Season 3 is amazing!
Totally agree. This solid episode well into the bottom half of the season, but it's great.
OK, it's over again?
Not my favourite episode, but neither the worst of the season. Neither a banger nor a bummer.
So awkward
I always thought sic transit was a kind of ambulance