The End of the World as we know it, with Bruce Gore!
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- I'm so excited for you to hear my interview with Bruce Gore! He has had over 10,000,000 views and has over 53K subscribers on his RUclips channel! He is a consummate teacher and I know you'll be blessed by his demeanor and his character.
In this interview, Bruce shares his story of how he came to the conclusions he has through his continued study of the scriptures. I know you'll be richly blessed by what you hear!
Here is a link to his RUclips channel. I highly recommend the series, "The Apocalypse in Space and Time," [You'll see it in his playlist]. He has other wonderful teaching there as well. Like and subscribe to his channel. And hey, while you're at it, why not do the same with mine!
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Don’t let Bruce’s humble demeanor fool you. The man is brilliant.
Indeed…
But surely no one can avoid noticing that for long!
Watching from the Land Down Under 🇦🇺 Great interview!
Bruce is one of my favorite teachers. Thanks for the interview!
I'm one of the many of Bruce's anonymous RUclips students. His eschatological studies have been a great blessing worldwide. I'd like to express my appreciation to him as a teacher but also encourage him as a fellow student to keep learning and consider all things possible with God. Because... what if Revelation was written before 70 AD... *wink* *wink*
Thank you Joel for this conversation and wonderful guest. God bless.
You are most welcome. He does believe Revelation was written at the early date, just to clarify [and I’m sorry if I misunderstood] but has, as he mentioned, some discomfort and philosophical objections as well as seeing a few texts that make it difficult for him to embrace full preterism.
A very good interview, thank you! I love when interviewers ask a few good questions but then let their guests freely talk. So glad Bruce was willing to talk with you/us. 👍
Thanks for your kind words. I am thankful for Bruce’s knowledge and insights, and that he doesn’t consider us heretics!
I have been SOOOO blessed by Bruce's teachings.
Indeed! Me too!
Joel, I like what you have done with this format and for me, I think you did a very good job both technically (sound and visually was great) and with the way you facilitated the discussion. You lead with the best questions and gave Bruce ample time, without any irritating interruption as some are wont to do. The discussion helped me think through and refine where I am at. Obviously, the remaining nagging issues betwixt full and partial preterism remain; the issues of philosophical need for a terminus in the human project by God and as aways the Creeds and Church history. I am believing the Lord will unfold, in His providential way, how much more we have to understand so that we can reach unity and maturity in the Lord. We preterists say that this will go on forever and the Post-Mills say, we may have another 30,000 yrs. So, not to worry about what's in front of us for a while yet other than to continue to preach and live His Gospel. Anyways, strength and prayers. Love br. David - Canada.
I so appreciate your kind words and encouragement David. I spent some time up-front praying and thinking through which questions to ask, so I am thankful if that was fruitful. I was so blessed that Bruce agreed to do this.
I have another exciting interview that won’t take place til late May or early June I’ll be plugging at some point. Christ’s peace to you brother!
Excellent interview brother Joel! You did a wonderful job. What a great man of God to interview. I hope you do more of these. Thank you brother!
Thank you for the kind and encouraging words! I plan on doing more interviews like this!
I enjoyed his lessons for years but boy can he play the trumpet.
Really enjoyed it guys!
Thanks! Can't go wrong when you have a guest like this!
Great interview, I guess that was worth you skipping our Podcast recording today. Little A is still upset though lol.
lol!
I thought it went well, and little A can make it til tomorrow!
This was great. As far as Bruce's opposition to the full preterist view, the philosophical point should carry 0 weight. The sacrament issue is really not a big hurdle. We can still practice communion (it was just a meal anyway!). Revelation 10:4 is no issue either. John is told to seal up an empty scroll since he's not allowed to write down what the seven thunders had uttered. Furthermore, in verse 7, it says that the mystery of God would be finished when the trumpet was about to be sounded.
Great interview! If I had to use one term or two words to describe Bruce Gore the term would be Honest Man and the two words would be Honest and Sincere. If they were all like him, we could have true dialog which is what we need instead of debate. Debating seems unseemly for Christians since it becomes about winning the debate. We need to come together in public forums such as this one and have real dialog which purpose is to discover the truth together.
I appreciate your thoughts here. Lord willing, over time there will be more honest dialogue. I don’t know if you saw the interview where Ward Fenley interviewed Doug Wilson, but Wilson also does not condemn full preterism, and of course neither does Demar who Bruce mentioned. I think this is all to the good! I am not opposed to debate, as sometimes it helps the audience think through their views, but even debate can be done in a Christ-honoring manner.
You have presented some interesting things here. Keeping comments related to the content in the interview would be most helpful!
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Thanks for doing this interview!
You are most welcome! Hope it was encouraging and helpful!
Great interview by two great men. My only comment is that Bruce seemed to misquote Rev 22:10, which is not the same as Daniel 12:4--but the opposite., implying imminence in the case of Rev. I would have really liked Bruce to have given us a list of passages he thinks are still future.
Love Bruce! Dude has forgotten more than I know…
No kidding! So glad he was willing to do the interview!
Daniel was told to seal up the prophecy and he was given a reason why: because it was for a time far off.
In Revelation 22:1 John was told not to seal up the Revelation and he was given the reason why; because the time was near.
It Revelation 10:4 John is told to seal up the things the seven thunders uttered, but he is not given the reason.
In Revelation 10:6 John is told that there will be no more delay.
No where are told that the things the seven thunders uttered were prophecies.
There is no textual evidence to support the conclusion that the seven thunders uttered prophecies yet to be fulfilled.
In light of the fact that John was told not to seal up the prophecy because the time was near, we must assume that all of the prophecy was to take place shortly.
We cannot change our hermeneutic just because we are not comfortable with the conclusion it leads to.
All good points! Thanks for watching
Bruce is a great teacher. I have watched him many times and he certainly knows scripture. I have to say I disagree with Bruce thinking Jesus has not yet returned. If so, then none of us is saved. Bruce mentions Revelation 10, but the rest of what is said is as follows:
5 And the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven 6 and swore by him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, the earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it, that there would be no more delay, 7 but that in the days of the trumpet call to be sounded by the seventh angel, the mystery of God would be fulfilled, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.
8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me again, saying, “Go, take the scroll that is open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.” 9 So I went to the angel and told him to give me the little scroll. And he said to me, “Take and eat it; it will make your stomach bitter, but in your mouth it will be sweet as honey.” 10 And I took the little scroll from the hand of the angel and ate it. It was sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it my stomach was made bitter.
The temple had not yet been destroyed, so if the book was closed it was because Jesus had not yet come during the time John was writing to warn the churches of that day.
Agree on all fronts
Yeah, I have a hard time understanding the belief of a late date of composition of the book of Revelation. (Post 70 A.D.)
I believe Jesus did return with His Kingdom which He inagurated during His short physical ministry on earth, and those who don't believe that is because, like the Pharisees in Luke 17:20 that Jesus was telling how this Kingdom would come, they haven't realized the Kingdom that is now is in the Spirit. They're still bound by the 5 senses by incorrect teaching by sincere souls but spiritual infants.
His story about how he ended up memorizing revelation is identical to Kenneth Gentrys?? Or am I missing something? They both say they were on a boat on Patmos deciding to teach revelation but memorize it first!! Can someone clarify please? Is this true or did I get them mixed up somehow?
I am only aware of Gore’s story re. your comment.
I suppose it’s possible Gentry had a similar occasion 🤷♂️
Darby did not use the term "dispensations". Nor did Scofield's scheme of the ages agree with what Darby taught.
Yes, Scofield was a further twisting of the subtle deception that Darby created.
Good insight!
@@sentinaludo1489 What precisely would that be?
Rapture of the church from the earth before the "great tribulation" with The one anti-Christ bringing the persecution of God's people with the destruction of the planet and the establishment of National Israel physically here on Earth ruling over all🎉 the nations in the final dispensation of the ages.
If the seven thunders were to be sealed because they were unfulfilled prophesy, why were they left in a book that would be fulfilled in a little while?
Yes, very good point. I appreciated Bruce’s honesty very much re. his objections. It seems-and he mentioned this-that his objections were as much, if not more, philosophical than exegetical.
The parallel text is to Revelation 10:4>is in Daniel 12:4.9;And you, Daniel, hide these words and seal this book until the last time. Many will then search it and find great knowledge. Verse 9;But he said, Go, Daniel; for it is hidden and sealed until the last time. When was the last time? The last days of the old covenant of Israel, 30-70 AD. Blessing
Thank you for your thoughts here! I think Bruce’s objections are as much philosophical as exegetical, which he was honest about.
@@thepastdays Yes, of course, without Jesus we would not exist, nor would we have a spiritual life. Blessing
Brilliant Bruce buries the doctrine of imminence😁
Not sure what you mean here…it sounds as if you’re suggesting the events were not imminent? I may be misunderstanding
@@thepastdays futurists maintain that “these things are soon ταχύ to happen” means that when they do, be it 2000 years, it will happen quickly. Bruce refuted that.
Yes, the judgment took place in the first century 30-70 AD, since then we have lived in the New Heaven and the New Earth, that is the New Covenant in Jesus Christ's work of redemption. The spiritual laws of harvest and judgment have never stopped, world history is a single proof of this. The Holy Spirit of God still works with his supernatural gifts through his worldwide community of all born-again Christians. Just like the Lord's Supper, through this we have fellowship with Jesus. We remember his death and resurrection to his glory. Praise and worship, prayer and intercession are important building blocks of a living fellowship with the Spirit of God. Many prophetic impressions of recent years have announced times of judgment that we can see in recent years. Blessing
Thanks for your comment! It sounds as if your focus is on Jesus, which of course is where it should be!
@@thepastdays Yes, the center is Jesus and his Father. He who loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him (John 14:23). This happens in the rebirth of our spirit from God's Spirit. This is the New Creation in Jesus Christ's work of redemption in the first century. At Pentecost, his Spirit was poured out on all flesh, and continues to this day and forever. Blessing
⭕ God told Moses on Mt. Sinai to use Pi 3.14 π as the cornerstone to build the Wilderness Tabernacle in 1440 BC. In 94 AD Josephus the historian wrongly described it as rectangular-shaped. Exodus 25-26-27 blueprints build a circular-shaped outer courtyard. What is superior, the bible or non-canonical established ecuametal history?
330 Exodus 26:8 eleven curtains each 30 cubits long
15 Exodus 26:12 one curtain is folded in half to 15 cubits long
- 1 Exodus 26:13 curtain hang over/seams add to 1 cubit long
= 314
3.14 = 314 circumference/100 diameter ≈ π ratio (100 cubit court per Exodus 27:9-18)
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Is this like the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls or even Martin Luther's 95 Theses? How did we miss this for 1900 years and does it even matter anymore?
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History of finding π:
-(1900-1680 BC) Babylonian 3.125 for π
-(1650 BC) Egyptians gave the approximate value of π 3.1605
-(1440 BC) Moses recorded Pi in the Exodus blueprints 3.141592653... Exodus 26:13 ≈ Pi
-(500 BC) India's Aryabhata approximation was 62,832/20,000, or 3.141
-(429-501 BC) Zu Chongzhi a Chinese mathematician 3.1415926 - 3.1415927
-(250 BC) Archimedes from Syracuse showed between 3.1408 and 3.1429
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More than a thousand years removed Josephus did NOT know Exodus 26:13 approximated Pi. He was describing the Temple's structure and NOT, and NOT the Tabernacle from Exodus 25-26-27. See?
Pi is coded in your DNA.
Consider King Josiah & the Prophetess Huldah rediscovering the forgotten scriptures, right? What is your next move?
כְּכֹ֗ל אֲשֶׁ֤ר אֲנִי֙ ⭕
1. Repent
2. Spiritual Awakening
3. Revival
Jesus said: "destroy this temple, and in three day I will raise it up"...Jesus is the third temple that the Jew's rejected and destroyed.
There is no end of time, no end of the world, biblical eschatology is fulfilled eschatology. The end mentioned in the bible is the end of the old covenant and NOT the end of the world.
All biblical prophecies were fulfilled in the first century
We’re on the same page here, thought of course there is an out-working/on-going sense as well. I think this is what people are sometimes afraid of: if everything “ended,” what now? But wee have [I believe] the kingdom continuing to expand, and so many outside the city we have the privilege of inviting in!
Revelation 10
4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Partial preterism is still dispensationalism, aka taking out the garbage tomorrow but quickly. (I love this analogy btw)
Romans 9
27 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
I appreciate your thoughts here! It seems that when we put all the very clear statements made my Jesus and the apostles re. the timing of his second appearing and the constituent elements, there is no getting around it. Even if there are some passages that are less clear, as perhaps Revelation 10 is, good hermeneutics would have us interpret those texts in light of those that are clearer.
I tried to think and read myself out of full preterism, but I simply couldn’t do it…
Before moses was taurus the bull age moses brought in the new age aries the ram which is why they still use the rams horn or shofar. YAHSHUA was the one who brought in the age of pisces the two fish but they didn't believe. He told his deciples to meet the man with the pitcher of water the age of Aquarius and go to the upper room ( the mind) and I will meet you there in the age of Aquarius. We are there now that's why truth is being poured out on us slowly for each age last 2160 years. Blessed is he who makes it to the 2160 in Daniel. As above so below.
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Wow sorry did not mean to hit a nerve thought this was still a free speech platform but we must be in a new age. Lol. Peace and love to you and all.