So she did everything she could to meet the criteria to be revived. And she made sure to archive her life story so that she could remember in time. Truly the queen of cunning.
@@oryxthetakenking5682 Actually no. She, along with her race was chosen to be uplifted, the same as Eliksni and Humans. They were never chosen to be guardians in the first place, because there's no evidence of The Traveler chosen anyone to be guardians before it came to the Sol system. And that's why she had to played as Osiris in order to understand how The Traveler choose its guardians, because not even every humans can become guardians. She didn't even know if her trick would play out in the end, hence the monologue at 9:48, there was always the possibility she wouldn't be revived. But that's exactly why this trick has a possibility to work in the first place, because that's the criteria for being a guardian: devote, protect, fight and sacrifice. She devoted her lifetime to chase after The Traveler then eventually tricked The Darkness and saved it. She fought for the survival of not only her own (of course it's her priority)but also of her race and tried to wrestle back the control of their destiny from The Witness. In the end, she chose death in order to achieve her goal, a choice few can make. And that's how she was chosen. If we take away the differences in race and philosophy, she's exactly the same as other guardians. And she made sure that she archived her life story, which spanned thousands of years by now, because she learned she would lose her memories when she's made guardian, in order to not forget what her goal was.
@@DDragon1226my dude the Eliksni talk about how the traveler gave them power and when it left they lost it and followed it in addiction. Unless they Reconned a lot of lore you're actually wrong.
that ending is just wild asf. the last time i was ever this shocked was shadowkeeps ending, and that dlc wasn't the best. man, i wonder what the raid has in store darkness wise, considering its inside a pyramid
To avoid spoilers, stay off the Raid Secrets Subreddit. I heard they have heavy spoilers on there. But I believe its someone called rhe Disciple based on a post campaign mission discussion between our ghost and Mara Sov. Purely speculation, they could just be hinting heavy at Lightfall like the final words from our Guardian.
@@UnderratedMax Yeah, they pretty much have a whole 3d model of either the raid boss or a new enemy type in the raid. Light Spoilers: it's something we've never seen before..... EVER. I wish it were the Aphelion though.
We went from this amazing story to a walmart version of cayde cracking jokes in the face of another collapse. There's no way the team that wrote this story did lightfall.
Lightfall was a filler campaign, the original story the had for lightfall was moved to the final shape, so they needed a filler. It's a shame but I still enjoyed jt
Its been 8 years to find out wat the darkness is and we still dont kno wat neither the light nor darkness are. But i bet the marketing team from bungie will use that wen they drop their trailer for the next dlc in two years
@@seb1520 not a representative but a student of sorts, what we see in the final boss of the raid is a underling of the witness, i dont remember its name but the leaks said it
@@seb1520 funny how we see so much about the darkness,our “enemy” of sorts,at least according to the D1 story,but we know so little about the traveler,provider of the light,the tool we use to save humanity
The Traveler has chosen a bunch of races. It chose the Hive, the Fallen and Humanity. It could have chosen other species within the galaxy before humans.
@@cainabel6356 True, but the Traveler, as far as we know, has never made Lightbearers until it chose to remain with Humanity. Of course, the exception being Savathun.
Nearly all civilizations on Fundament (the Porto Hive’s original home world) and it’s moons were thriving under the light. But The Witness and the Worm Gods created the god wave to push the proto Hive to embrace darkness and become the genocidal race they are now to be champions of darkness. After the defeat of her brother, Savathun saw through the deception and schemed her way to reject the darkness and embrace the light.
@@Greendeath312 To me at least, Savathun was surprisingly genuine about serving the light, we may have snuffed a potential ally in the coming war. But then again moth lady could have just horded the big lamp to herself and fled Sol with said lamp.
So the Traveler isn’t as pure we all thought it was. It basically moves from planet to planet promising it’s civilians the “the Light” as a disguise to hide itself for a while. Then moves to another planet when it senses it has been noticed, making the same promise over and over again. Finally revealing it was running away from the Witness is such a good plot.
I don’t think it’s a “loophole” just that she was worthy. Light isn’t good or evil just like the darkness. Kind of like war. We might think ourselves the good guys and what we are doing is good and everyone else is bad, but from their perspective we are the bad guys and they are good guys just defending themselves.
Not exactly. The traveler always found the krill worthy of the light and the witness knew this. Thus it reached out to the 3 siblings first and made the wormgods so they could strike a deal. Oryx, Savathûn and Xivu Arath never knew that the traveler saw them as worthy. The traveler was simply keeping its promise by reviving savathun. My theory is that the traveler did this and was willing to accept the ritual in order to have savathun and the lucent brood avaliable to fight the witness (it probably wants us to ally with them and I think that will happen as savathûns ghost is still around. If it wasn't for the witness interfering the traveler would've let the ritual happen. Basically you can't trust the traveler. It has its own interest that may not benefit humanity.
Not a loophole. She genuinely believed in the teachings and philosophies of the light once her worm was excised and fully embraced her original death. That apparently was enough for the Traveller to grace her.
With each DLC since Forsaken, I continue to feel like the bad guy more and more.......makes me wonder about our guardian's past life and the origins of the ghosts.
Agreed. They would have to take out the "MC" and have it be Game Of Thrones style with every hero and villain getting personal screen time. Treating the Witness like the Night King. No lore books everything gets acted out. If it was never a game and instead a show, yes, it would be peak fiction. But the story as it is now would just not work as a show
Thanks to the exorcism of her worm, she no longer _had_ to lie to get by. What I'm wonder is: what if the Traveler took her Ghost to prevent _us_ from killing her permanently because it knows we need all the help we can get for the Witness' arrival?
So the Witness and the Pyramids arent the Darkness itself. Also, if the Hive gods were originally meant to be lightbearers, it could mean that there's a Ghost floating around the system that will resurrect Oryx...
God I wish but remember Oryx took himself. He’s a being made purely of the deep now and his krill body doesn’t exist anymore. But hey, when they bring back kings fall and oryx thundercrashes us feel free to tell me I’m wrong
@@smithy1578 Its not much to go on but hear me out. Clovis Bray is an genius that has given himself immortality via becoming an Exo and he has a god complex/ a desire to be the last point of human evolution. He also has access to Vex technology which he has exploited immensely, and Vex tech allows for time travel as weve seen when we rescued Saint 14. The Witness looks oddly human and its head is white and bald, much like the Clovis Exo head. Im thinking that at some point Clovis travels back in time and ends up becomig the Witness. The Witness is after all confirmed not to be Darkness itself like, it simply wears it like a cloak, and Clovis has used Vex tech and Darkness. His ambition to be the last point of human evolution could have expanded to the "final shape" of the universe. Also just an extra little minut thing but the smoke like heads could kind of be representative of multiple timelines or something and the Witness is rather fluidic like the Vex
She found genuine comfort and kinship there. At least as close to it as she can get for a narcissistic nightmare who worked to murder them from the inside out the whole time.
So wait, not only is the traveler seeking out a new strategy, something different form how it and the darkness always worked but the darkness has been sabotaging it from day one.
@@cainabel6356 The Traveler is not the Gardener. Gardener is the Light itself, a cosmic power beyond comprehension. Traveler is just an enforcer of it, Like the Pyramids (and by extension, the Witness) are the enforcers of Darkness. Even Savathûn explains it in one of her memories when she describes the Witness: "It is not Darkness, but something that wears it like a cloak. It gives Darkness a wicked shape."
@@numbjuhnu - I thought they stated that the Traveler was the Gardner, seeing how the wittness has stated to it that the game is over. That should state that the Traveler is the gardner, shouldn't it? Also the pyramid ships are the darkness, it is reference that the darkness caused the cataclysm that hit humankind. I believe that was the darkness.
@@cainabel6356 Pyramids are responsible for the Collapse, yes. But the Worm gods that created the Hive worship the Witness. Pyramids are so closely related to the Darkness that yes, they can be seen and even has been called just "The Darkness" but they are still just its enforces, although very powerful ones.
So you telling me we killed off our best allied, destroyed the only way to save the traveler from the Piramids, thinking we did the right thing and no npc ngame not even ikora realizes about it? Yikes sucks to be us
if they really wanted to shut the door on Savvy they'd have killer her Ghost...that and hiring a high profile name like debra wilson to do her voice, she almost certainly is coming back, if not this season then the next. my prediction is we'll beat the disciple in the next raid, the witness shows up and gets ready to clap cheeks, and then she'll swoop in and save us.
so we should just surrender?, remember that the plan savathun had was trapping the traveler inside her throneworld, it is implied in the game that if this was to happen, the last city would be defensless and the guardian would lose their light, so what do you want people to understand ?lol
The office scene gave me goosebumps… Zavala and everyone in the room realizing that the Traveler isn’t aligned with humanity, but only it’s own survival. If we didn’t stop Savathun, then the traveler would’ve gone with her in her throne world. Amazing storytelling. Also the witness? Bruh😦
That’s not the Traveller’s primary motivation like at all, and if that’s the route they’re goi down then that spits on the past seven to eight years of lore.
@@DuelaDent52 the lore does indicate that the traveler is mainly concerned with its survival. Rasputin shot the traveler while it was trying to escape the darkness during the collapse. If that didn’t happen, then we would’ve been destroyed like the Eliskini home world.
@@DuelaDent52 In The Strangers time line the Traveler leaves, and considering it ran from every civilization that it stop at in the lore of Destiny 1 Books of Sorrow, this current story makes sense.
@@tonyallen3138 byf disproved that looooooong ago, why do people still say this? The traveler stayed and fought. That's why it has a corrupted piece of its exterior in the EDZ. The traveler was scarred by the battle
IKR... hyporcrite... you know the very power you are using boast forgiveness and redemption as a virtue right, ya idiot ball of right. And now you take Savvy of the board, great, we are playing right into the Darkness hand.
I think the traveler is playing the long game here, trying to redeem and rally former enemies against the coming tide of dark. Uldren is a model guardian now in spite of everything, Savathûns desire to stop the darkness is 100% genuine at the least, and I firmly believe that the traveler has the old dominus Ghaul in its back pocket in the off chance it needs a kaiju sized light bearer as a last resort.
Am I the only one that thinks the Last city should definitely do an upgrade on their alarms and sensors. Like she was right fucking there and they didn't get any "hive signature" nearing the city to send out a squad of guardians to intervene
As someone who has been away from this game since the Oryx dlc I'm glad to see that all the destiny 1 concept art and theories we came up with turning out to be right.
So Eramis is trapped in Stasis Ice, Savathûn’s Ghost is still around… so are the major villains of the past 2 years coming back for Lightfall or Final Shape?
I know that I spoiled the ending for myself, but I legit want to experience this with my own hands, especially with the journey to get to it. Seriously it makes me wanna finish the campaign even more.
I feel the same. I don't think spoiling this while I wait for my forehead to get back online is going to make it less impactful. I feel more hype now than before!
Sev6n has said this but I am glad that the leaks came out during destiny 1 because now we get to see what a truly amazing work of art story telling can be in a game.
@@DuelaDent52 Why is that? Guardians have been atomized and brought back, unless the Vandguard hides her body, or don't destroy it, she should be able to come back.
@@majesticmajestic7058 I'm pretty sure ghosts can still revive you if your body becomes disintegrated. Why you think we get revived even when we blown up and disintegrated by some super or class ability
@@DuelaDent52 yeah, but her bodys still there. Of course the vanguard have it but i doubt theyll destroy her body. This isnt the last we will see of savathun with the light, or her ghost. Just like eramis too, i think they have plans for her down the line
My theory is, in lightfall we fail to kill the witness and everything failed and some guardians and main guardians die but our ghost has a idea we go back to savathûn’s throne world and look for her ghost
Doubtful. The Darkness already brought a cataclysm to humanity once. That would just be too much. Savathun will just be revived by her ghost to help us when we need her. Then we will probably either be allied with the Hive or they will have their own agenda to defeat the darkness.
I feel bad for her little ghost, dude started out immediately after she got rezzed looking like a normal ghost and at the end was completely unrecognizable Also the Witness's design is so fucking cool
Thanks for putting this together! Would you mind if I shared this on my streams? I'll credit you and have the chatbot do the same with links to your socials. Either way tho, nicely done, Guardian! Edit: Thanks for getting back to me! Can't wait to share this with the lads :D
I saw the end before it happened. My own death. Brought on by the separation from my power. Hello, old friend… I’ve chased you for a long time. First as an enemy, Then as a collector, And finally, now… A supplicant. What is it the Guardians say? “Devotion inspires bravery.” “Bravery inspires sacrifice.” “And sacrifice…” [grunts, coughs] Here we are. [gasps, coughs] Wouldn’t it be clever of you… if after everything. You simply let me die? Oh, what a trick. Elegant. [labored gasps] Is that it? [collapses to the ground] [gasps] If there is an answer, I don’t hear it. Because now the world Begins to fade…
abridged alt universe ikora:are you insane!? guardian:no im not. savathun kept her bargain with letting osiris go so what reason should she lie to us now? *later* guardian:savathun...i know you can hear me. im not here to fight...but to talk,you want to fight the witness right? savathun:well well...your right. guardian:then help me finish...what an old friend once started. dont take it the wrong way. i still dont forgive you for your part in caydes death or crows memory. however your the only one who could truely help us end this madness. so...will you help us or not. savathun:gladly then...however i want something in return. guardian:...say it. savathun:...well... to be continued
Is it the Gardner vs the Architect? If so, which one do we side with? Do we side with ourselves and defeat both? Apparently the Darkness wants to destroy all life.
@@cainabel6356 gardener is associated with light and winnower is associated with dark. Not sure what the architect is tbh. The game states dark and light are neither good nor evil (which is true), but in my eyes the light lines up a lot closer with how humanity sees life. I’m not sure if this is accurate, but from my understanding, the darkness basically sees life as an opportunity for pain and suffering to happen, which it doesn’t like. Therefore if it eradicates all life, no one has to suffer. The light on the other hand empowers those deserving of it, and allows the opportunity for certain species to flourish. However that doesn’t mean those species will do good with the light, which can result in suffering for others (i.e. us killing savathun when she earned the light. It wasn’t our place to take that away from her, even if we tried to justify it as protecting humanity). Guardians still align with the gardeners philosophy (the light) even though we are using darkness powers.
Is there a place where I van read the lore? I stopped playing Destiny after the first one because I didn’t like Destiny 2 and it was too expensive, but I like the story. Thank you
I find it interesting that savathun was warming us at this point because of the witness. I think what’s gonna happen is that the traveler is gonna leave us. And we’re gonna loose our light again and we only have to use darkness subclass like how they released a new darkness class in light fall. In witch queen. It feels light avengers infinity war. Now it feels like avengers endgame now
Wasn't an avid fan of Destiny, but the ending of Witch Queen with the reveal of The Witness is one of the best moments I've seen in anything. Lightfall kinda disappointed me, but Season of the Witch looks promising :) When in game LFG? -.-
The Traveller doesn’t resurrect people, Ghosts do. The Traveller left Riis to save the Eliksni. We’ve known for a while that the Traveller isn’t infallible. Why is everyone so bloody stupid?
this is how destiny 2's story should've gone down. Introduce the big baddie the game has been setting up for a while, then set up an even greater threat and build a story over 2-3 years. the first 3 years of destiny's story were individual stories and had no ongoing narrative. THIS is a story and THIS DLC has the best campaign in Destiny period, not even close.
The next light "element" is ironically darkness coming with the update lightfall so what is the traveler where does the beggining of good start and where does it end where is it that darkness is unrecognisable from light is light just another form of darkness and is the traveler just a coward using fallen species as a shield for its ever growing small "life" I never trusted the traveler from the moment I heard it erases memories
Destiny has the most amazing ability to create a story that's so vague and complex, the only way you can get a decent understanding of it is if someone like Byf, a guy that does tons of research and analysis, has the motivation to make an entire youtube channel dedicated to making sense of the entire game for us to comprehend. I like it but at the same time wtf???
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So she did everything she could to meet the criteria to be revived. And she made sure to archive her life story so that she could remember in time. Truly the queen of cunning.
It's amazing. The writers deserve an award.
Wrong she was actually worthy from the second the traveler chose the 3 siblings
@@oryxthetakenking5682 Actually no. She, along with her race was chosen to be uplifted, the same as Eliksni and Humans. They were never chosen to be guardians in the first place, because there's no evidence of The Traveler chosen anyone to be guardians before it came to the Sol system. And that's why she had to played as Osiris in order to understand how The Traveler choose its guardians, because not even every humans can become guardians.
She didn't even know if her trick would play out in the end, hence the monologue at 9:48, there was always the possibility she wouldn't be revived. But that's exactly why this trick has a possibility to work in the first place, because that's the criteria for being a guardian: devote, protect, fight and sacrifice. She devoted her lifetime to chase after The Traveler then eventually tricked The Darkness and saved it. She fought for the survival of not only her own (of course it's her priority)but also of her race and tried to wrestle back the control of their destiny from The Witness. In the end, she chose death in order to achieve her goal, a choice few can make. And that's how she was chosen. If we take away the differences in race and philosophy, she's exactly the same as other guardians.
And she made sure that she archived her life story, which spanned thousands of years by now, because she learned she would lose her memories when she's made guardian, in order to not forget what her goal was.
@@oryxthetakenking5682 you and Savathûn left me behind to fend for myself. I didn’t know what to do without you guys but I’m trying my best.
@@DDragon1226my dude the Eliksni talk about how the traveler gave them power and when it left they lost it and followed it in addiction. Unless they Reconned a lot of lore you're actually wrong.
"Nothing in the world is harder to hear, than the truth coming from a liar's mouth"
Damn that hits hard.
What is the time stamp for it?
@tayassukahmed7463 No time stamp. Just a quote of my own.
Seek truth through deception.
When our light is far too gone, we must walk through dark and see through it back to our light.
The ending confirms to me that the enemy is Master Rahool. There’s no mistaking it.
The witness is rahool👀
I never trusted that bastard. . .
Who?
@@amirseidu9377 joe Biden is final raid boss and when you kill him gas prices drop by 15 percent
@@toejam1356 joe mama
that ending is just wild asf. the last time i was ever this shocked was shadowkeeps ending, and that dlc wasn't the best. man, i wonder what the raid has in store darkness wise, considering its inside a pyramid
To avoid spoilers, stay off the Raid Secrets Subreddit. I heard they have heavy spoilers on there. But I believe its someone called rhe Disciple based on a post campaign mission discussion between our ghost and Mara Sov. Purely speculation, they could just be hinting heavy at Lightfall like the final words from our Guardian.
@@UnderratedMax i thrive on spoilers because the experience is all the same to me but thank you for that information
@@root3554 well the model of the first disciple was leaked on the D2 leaks subreddit if you are interested
@@adrianpickel1482 one of the witch queen ost tracks is called The First Disciple as well lol
@@UnderratedMax Yeah, they pretty much have a whole 3d model of either the raid boss or a new enemy type in the raid. Light Spoilers: it's something we've never seen before..... EVER.
I wish it were the Aphelion though.
we all gotta respect megamind at the end telling us we are smart
lol
Megamind 😂
We went from this amazing story to a walmart version of cayde cracking jokes in the face of another collapse. There's no way the team that wrote this story did lightfall.
Lightfall was a filler campaign, the original story the had for lightfall was moved to the final shape, so they needed a filler. It's a shame but I still enjoyed jt
@@Aaryavir even for a filler it was hot garbage, even bungie was disappointed with it. And they obviously adore making mediocre content
This story wasnt even amazing. Its just.. bland compared to Forsaken or Taken King.
@@LateNightHalo Nah. Taken King was a great dlc for everything it fixed and brought to Destiny but this campaign was way better
the destiny 1 leaks and concept art are all making so much sense, I love lore
Its been 8 years to find out wat the darkness is and we still dont kno wat neither the light nor darkness are. But i bet the marketing team from bungie will use that wen they drop their trailer for the next dlc in two years
@@LeoJinx01 rumor has it that there will be a representative of the darkness in the raid. We shall see :)
@@seb1520 not a representative but a student of sorts, what we see in the final boss of the raid is a underling of the witness, i dont remember its name but the leaks said it
@@take_another_trip so fucking cool, its about time we encounter the Darkness
@@seb1520 funny how we see so much about the darkness,our “enemy” of sorts,at least according to the D1 story,but we know so little about the traveler,provider of the light,the tool we use to save humanity
the whole traveller chosing the krill plottwist was actually kind of crazy
The Traveler has chosen a bunch of races. It chose the Hive, the Fallen and Humanity. It could have chosen other species within the galaxy before humans.
@@cainabel6356 True, but the Traveler, as far as we know, has never made Lightbearers until it chose to remain with Humanity. Of course, the exception being Savathun.
So wait, Oryx, Zivu Arath and Savathûn were supposed to be Lightbearers from jump? We could have had a trio of guardian Hive gods.
they wouldnt have been hive gods, they only became that because the witness lied to savathun
Nearly all civilizations on Fundament (the Porto Hive’s original home world) and it’s moons were thriving under the light. But The Witness and the Worm Gods created the god wave to push the proto Hive to embrace darkness and become the genocidal race they are now to be champions of darkness. After the defeat of her brother, Savathun saw through the deception and schemed her way to reject the darkness and embrace the light.
and we will. . .
@@J-manli so what you're saying is we fucked up royally
@@Greendeath312
To me at least, Savathun was surprisingly genuine about serving the light, we may have snuffed a potential ally in the coming war. But then again moth lady could have just horded the big lamp to herself and fled Sol with said lamp.
So the Traveler isn’t as pure we all thought it was. It basically moves from planet to planet promising it’s civilians the “the Light” as a disguise to hide itself for a while. Then moves to another planet when it senses it has been noticed, making the same promise over and over again. Finally revealing it was running away from the Witness is such a good plot.
So Savathun was revived by a loophole she found in the Traveler's ways and took advantage of it. She found a way to be revived by the Traveler.
I don’t think it’s a “loophole” just that she was worthy. Light isn’t good or evil just like the darkness. Kind of like war. We might think ourselves the good guys and what we are doing is good and everyone else is bad, but from their perspective we are the bad guys and they are good guys just defending themselves.
Not exactly. The traveler always found the krill worthy of the light and the witness knew this. Thus it reached out to the 3 siblings first and made the wormgods so they could strike a deal.
Oryx, Savathûn and Xivu Arath never knew that the traveler saw them as worthy. The traveler was simply keeping its promise by reviving savathun.
My theory is that the traveler did this and was willing to accept the ritual in order to have savathun and the lucent brood avaliable to fight the witness (it probably wants us to ally with them and I think that will happen as savathûns ghost is still around.
If it wasn't for the witness interfering the traveler would've let the ritual happen.
Basically you can't trust the traveler. It has its own interest that may not benefit humanity.
Not a loophole. She genuinely believed in the teachings and philosophies of the light once her worm was excised and fully embraced her original death. That apparently was enough for the Traveller to grace her.
But she had contingent plans to regain her memories after death using a fair bit a dark magic.
@@J-manli Exactly. If you know you can come back better than ever and you embrace your death because of it, are your intentions really that pure?
With each DLC since Forsaken, I continue to feel like the bad guy more and more.......makes me wonder about our guardian's past life and the origins of the ghosts.
I know i’m ripping it from another game but “We get dirty, and the world stays clean, that’s the mission”
@@xViperGTR Powerful quote.
The smoke being faces will never not be so good yet so creepy I love it
If destiny 1 and 2 was a tv show the entire world would watch it honestly the lore and story of this game is just amazing
Idk about that 1 its kinda basic
Agreed. They would have to take out the "MC" and have it be Game Of Thrones style with every hero and villain getting personal screen time. Treating the Witness like the Night King. No lore books everything gets acted out. If it was never a game and instead a show, yes, it would be peak fiction. But the story as it is now would just not work as a show
@@UnderratedMax you could still have an MC, a fireteam of three.
I'm going to take that hard nope look at what happened to the halo series.
@@THE_POTATO- halo series is fine just people who expect the world in 1 season and can’t accept something different
6:28 Mom, Dad, please stop fighting…
I don't know why, but I feel like Savathun was trying to do the right thing and we stopped her from doing it, making us the bad guys this time.
God's angels and heroes to one. The devil, demons, and villains to another
Yup
Thanks to the exorcism of her worm, she no longer _had_ to lie to get by. What I'm wonder is: what if the Traveler took her Ghost to prevent _us_ from killing her permanently because it knows we need all the help we can get for the Witness' arrival?
The hive on our side I would be amazed to see it
I feel like Savathûn would have just hoarded the Traveller for herself so she could eff off safely and live forever like she always wanted.
Destiny just needs to make a movie
Nah. A full franchise
So the Witness and the Pyramids arent the Darkness itself. Also, if the Hive gods were originally meant to be lightbearers, it could mean that there's a Ghost floating around the system that will resurrect Oryx...
God I wish but remember Oryx took himself. He’s a being made purely of the deep now and his krill body doesn’t exist anymore. But hey, when they bring back kings fall and oryx thundercrashes us feel free to tell me I’m wrong
@@shy5248 I just had a crazier thought, if youll hear me out oh reader mine. The Witness, the figure at the end could be Clovis Bray
@@BLADESTER128 but we found Clovis bray as an exo
@@smithy1578 Its not much to go on but hear me out. Clovis Bray is an genius that has given himself immortality via becoming an Exo and he has a god complex/ a desire to be the last point of human evolution. He also has access to Vex technology which he has exploited immensely, and Vex tech allows for time travel as weve seen when we rescued Saint 14. The Witness looks oddly human and its head is white and bald, much like the Clovis Exo head. Im thinking that at some point Clovis travels back in time and ends up becomig the Witness. The Witness is after all confirmed not to be Darkness itself like, it simply wears it like a cloak, and Clovis has used Vex tech and Darkness. His ambition to be the last point of human evolution could have expanded to the "final shape" of the universe. Also just an extra little minut thing but the smoke like heads could kind of be representative of multiple timelines or something and the Witness is rather fluidic like the Vex
@@BLADESTER128 you know banshee 44 is Clovis bray right?
It is absolutely insane that this story line still has had me playing destiny 2 since 2017
I find it so compelling that the place Savathûn escaped to after the exorcism was the Last City.
She found genuine comfort and kinship there. At least as close to it as she can get for a narcissistic nightmare who worked to murder them from the inside out the whole time.
All the place we look for Osiris and she hid him right beneath our nose... slow clap here.
savathun swapped places with osiris, which means she hid the real osiris right outside the city, taunting us
cause that's where the traveler is. it's not that wild.
So wait, not only is the traveler seeking out a new strategy, something different form how it and the darkness always worked but the darkness has been sabotaging it from day one.
Go to the lore section. The Travelor is the gardener and the darkness is the other. They basically were playing a game to prove they were right.
@@cainabel6356 darkness is the winnower and yeah the lore is really awesome.
@@cainabel6356 The Traveler is not the Gardener. Gardener is the Light itself, a cosmic power beyond comprehension. Traveler is just an enforcer of it, Like the Pyramids (and by extension, the Witness) are the enforcers of Darkness. Even Savathûn explains it in one of her memories when she describes the Witness:
"It is not Darkness, but something that wears it like a cloak. It gives Darkness a wicked shape."
@@numbjuhnu - I thought they stated that the Traveler was the Gardner, seeing how the wittness has stated to it that the game is over. That should state that the Traveler is the gardner, shouldn't it? Also the pyramid ships are the darkness, it is reference that the darkness caused the cataclysm that hit humankind. I believe that was the darkness.
@@cainabel6356 Pyramids are responsible for the Collapse, yes. But the Worm gods that created the Hive worship the Witness. Pyramids are so closely related to the Darkness that yes, they can be seen and even has been called just "The Darkness" but they are still just its enforces, although very powerful ones.
So you telling me we killed off our best allied, destroyed the only way to save the traveler from the Piramids, thinking we did the right thing and no npc ngame not even ikora realizes about it? Yikes sucks to be us
Yeah... we kinda suck. If someone like us is playing our script, Osiris will be caught a long time ago.
We still have the 9 and the haul given to the Drifter, which is like a pocket universe or the distributary which is also like a pocket universe.
her ghost is still alive so she can come back
if they really wanted to shut the door on Savvy they'd have killer her Ghost...that and hiring a high profile name like debra wilson to do her voice, she almost certainly is coming back, if not this season then the next. my prediction is we'll beat the disciple in the next raid, the witness shows up and gets ready to clap cheeks, and then she'll swoop in and save us.
so we should just surrender?, remember that the plan savathun had was trapping the traveler inside her throneworld, it is implied in the game that if this was to happen, the last city would be defensless and the guardian would lose their light, so what do you want people to understand ?lol
14:11 kinda reminds me of the time when Cayde-6 used to ask our Guardian if Zavala needed him.
The office scene gave me goosebumps… Zavala and everyone in the room realizing that the Traveler isn’t aligned with humanity, but only it’s own survival. If we didn’t stop Savathun, then the traveler would’ve gone with her in her throne world.
Amazing storytelling. Also the witness? Bruh😦
That’s not the Traveller’s primary motivation like at all, and if that’s the route they’re goi down then that spits on the past seven to eight years of lore.
@@DuelaDent52 the lore does indicate that the traveler is mainly concerned with its survival. Rasputin shot the traveler while it was trying to escape the darkness during the collapse. If that didn’t happen, then we would’ve been destroyed like the Eliskini home world.
@@DuelaDent52 In The Strangers time line the Traveler leaves, and considering it ran from every civilization that it stop at in the lore of Destiny 1 Books of Sorrow, this current story makes sense.
@@tonyallen3138 byf disproved that looooooong ago, why do people still say this? The traveler stayed and fought. That's why it has a corrupted piece of its exterior in the EDZ. The traveler was scarred by the battle
@@lordepichax3755 But did he have a choice in this? Can he really leave without outside help? Maybe this is why he raised Savathun, to escape?
People when Crow was revived: NOOOOO!
11:58 Savathun getting revived: You gotta kidding me!
IKR... hyporcrite... you know the very power you are using boast forgiveness and redemption as a virtue right, ya idiot ball of right.
And now you take Savvy of the board, great, we are playing right into the Darkness hand.
Now we need evil Cayde-7 and Oryx the giving king 😂
I think the traveler is playing the long game here, trying to redeem and rally former enemies against the coming tide of dark. Uldren is a model guardian now in spite of everything, Savathûns desire to stop the darkness is 100% genuine at the least, and I firmly believe that the traveler has the old dominus Ghaul in its back pocket in the off chance it needs a kaiju sized light bearer as a last resort.
Am I the only one that thinks the Last city should definitely do an upgrade on their alarms and sensors. Like she was right fucking there and they didn't get any "hive signature" nearing the city to send out a squad of guardians to intervene
@@jaredf.6532
She was alone, without worm and dying. I don’t think there was much a signature left TO track at that point
rasputin need to wake up he been napping too long.
So the Hive with Light are the moth people concept art? So we potentially could have the Moth Guardians?
YOOOOO I HOPE SO
SKY: children of the light crossover confirmed
So they arent wyrms but catapilers
As someone who has been away from this game since the Oryx dlc I'm glad to see that all the destiny 1 concept art and theories we came up with turning out to be right.
So Eramis is trapped in Stasis Ice, Savathûn’s Ghost is still around… so are the major villains of the past 2 years coming back for Lightfall or Final Shape?
Maybe they’re the one to reveal the truth about the Traveller and the Pyramids. Both of them have witnessed both those entities in action.
@@mid-dinero7869 true but both of them have as much experience with those beings as we do
@@snax7760 no savathun worked for the Witness during the collapse so she might know a thing or two.
Would you even consider eramis a major villain
@@car9182 I consider her the equivalent to skolas,cool and an interesting character but not a major player
I know that I spoiled the ending for myself, but I legit want to experience this with my own hands, especially with the journey to get to it.
Seriously it makes me wanna finish the campaign even more.
campaign is the best destiny has ever had if you like destiny this is peak
@@shatterzen4468 Trust me, I will see to it on Legendary.
I feel the same. I don't think spoiling this while I wait for my forehead to get back online is going to make it less impactful. I feel more hype now than before!
I really wish they have Cutscenes archive so we can play it over and over again.
Sev6n has said this but I am glad that the leaks came out during destiny 1 because now we get to see what a truly amazing work of art story telling can be in a game.
So, with savathuns ghost seemingly MIA, we cant really call savathun dead, right?
Immaru can’t resurrect her without her body, so he’s stuck there. For now, Savathûn is by all intents and purpose dead.
@@DuelaDent52 Why is that? Guardians have been atomized and brought back, unless the Vandguard hides her body, or don't destroy it, she should be able to come back.
@@majesticmajestic7058 I'm pretty sure ghosts can still revive you if your body becomes disintegrated. Why you think we get revived even when we blown up and disintegrated by some super or class ability
@@DuelaDent52 yeah, but her bodys still there. Of course the vanguard have it but i doubt theyll destroy her body. This isnt the last we will see of savathun with the light, or her ghost. Just like eramis too, i think they have plans for her down the line
@@majesticmajestic7058 It sounds like the vanguard is heavily guarding savathun's corpse. Immaru wouldn't really have a chance to get close
So we went from being a side piece of the traveler and back again. Cool. Traveler seems awesome now.
I don't know why but it's not playing the cutscenes it just takes me back to orbit
i refuse to believe that this is the same team who wrote lightfall story
May have not been. Some of the dlcs have different writers
Eris symbol was a hive ghost the whole time, wow haha.
Now we wait one year for light fall
1000000% READY!
I really like the look of the Player at the last cutscene. I always did feel dark magenta went well with slate grey and black.
Thanks!
My theory is, in lightfall we fail to kill the witness and everything failed and some guardians and main guardians die but our ghost has a idea we go back to savathûn’s throne world and look for her ghost
The 9 and Drifters haul too.
Doubtful. The Darkness already brought a cataclysm to humanity once. That would just be too much. Savathun will just be revived by her ghost to help us when we need her. Then we will probably either be allied with the Hive or they will have their own agenda to defeat the darkness.
I feel bad for her little ghost, dude started out immediately after she got rezzed looking like a normal ghost and at the end was completely unrecognizable
Also the Witness's design is so fucking cool
Sav’s ghost is sadistic. His lore shows he isn’t anything like other ghosts and only serves himself and the traveler
Rewatch her resurrection. Her ghost looked that way from the beginning.
Immaru hates humanity, he’s a bad influence on post rez Savy
oh gotcha@@Notyourstodisclose
Wow so amazing what a great movie
Wait,i dont believe our final boss is actually a fuckin cartoon guy
Also we got Xivu Arath design proper.
Seems like we’re gonna have to fight the Ice Cream Man in LightFall 😕
Now we wait for a future expansion where we get powers from the Gray lol
Thanks for putting this together! Would you mind if I shared this on my streams? I'll credit you and have the chatbot do the same with links to your socials. Either way tho, nicely done, Guardian!
Edit: Thanks for getting back to me! Can't wait to share this with the lads :D
Best campaign in destiny. Its not even close.
I saw the end before it happened.
My own death.
Brought on by the separation from my power.
Hello, old friend… I’ve chased you for a long time.
First as an enemy,
Then as a collector,
And finally, now…
A supplicant.
What is it the Guardians say?
“Devotion inspires bravery.”
“Bravery inspires sacrifice.”
“And sacrifice…”
[grunts, coughs]
Here we are.
[gasps, coughs]
Wouldn’t it be clever of you…
if after everything.
You simply let me die?
Oh, what a trick.
Elegant.
[labored gasps]
Is that it?
[collapses to the ground]
[gasps]
If there is an answer,
I don’t hear it.
Because now the world
Begins to fade…
6:04 Zavala and Icora in an argument
the guardian:
🍿
So we're kinda in the end game now.
The triangles seem to be getting close though
The loadout you used to kill Savathûn was the exact same one I used for the Campaign.
abridged alt universe
ikora:are you insane!?
guardian:no im not. savathun kept her bargain with letting osiris go so what reason should she lie to us now?
*later*
guardian:savathun...i know you can hear me. im not here to fight...but to talk,you want to fight the witness right?
savathun:well well...your right.
guardian:then help me finish...what an old friend once started. dont take it the wrong way. i still dont forgive you for your part in caydes death or crows memory. however your the only one who could truely help us end this madness. so...will you help us or not.
savathun:gladly then...however i want something in return.
guardian:...say it.
savathun:...well...
to be continued
Wait what part did savathun play in forsaken? From what I can tell the only true villains there were the scorn and riven,no mention of the hive
@@snax7760 savathun took control of riven
Riven took control of uldern
Uldern killed cayde
Who are the frozen figures next to the witness ?
It kind of looks like there’s guardians, scorn, cabal, and maybe hive? At least that’s what they look like to me. I wonder why they’re there though
@@spacelion42 all those statues in the pyramids makes me feel like all the species were crafted
@@ofkfdjdjfk7574 By the Architect.
Is it the Gardner vs the Architect? If so, which one do we side with? Do we side with ourselves and defeat both? Apparently the Darkness wants to destroy all life.
@@cainabel6356 gardener is associated with light and winnower is associated with dark. Not sure what the architect is tbh. The game states dark and light are neither good nor evil (which is true), but in my eyes the light lines up a lot closer with how humanity sees life.
I’m not sure if this is accurate, but from my understanding, the darkness basically sees life as an opportunity for pain and suffering to happen, which it doesn’t like. Therefore if it eradicates all life, no one has to suffer. The light on the other hand empowers those deserving of it, and allows the opportunity for certain species to flourish. However that doesn’t mean those species will do good with the light, which can result in suffering for others (i.e. us killing savathun when she earned the light. It wasn’t our place to take that away from her, even if we tried to justify it as protecting humanity).
Guardians still align with the gardeners philosophy (the light) even though we are using darkness powers.
Would be great to have a feature length movie (animated)
"Hive propaganda" honestly one of the best parts of the entire campaign
We should've realized the witness teased the pale heart in the last cutscene
If savathun died in the cosmodrome she would have showed up in the tower with a risk runner lmao
seems to me that everything we've encountered is but a speck of dust compared to what's truly in play.
your gaurdian sounds like master chief
So nice to hear Paladin Danse again
Is there a place where I van read the lore?
I stopped playing Destiny after the first one because I didn’t like Destiny 2 and it was too expensive, but I like the story.
Thank you
So we all know she’s coming back right? Just like Eramis
And shit Oryx might as well
Say what you want about destiny this game was the best yet for story and the game of the year so far
I find it interesting that savathun was warming us at this point because of the witness. I think what’s gonna happen is that the traveler is gonna leave us. And we’re gonna loose our light again and we only have to use darkness subclass like how they released a new darkness class in light fall. In witch queen. It feels light avengers infinity war. Now it feels like avengers endgame now
Bro has a fire warlock 2:44
during the meeting cutscene, why weren't the exo stranger and the drifter there? just why?
Because they aren't really associated with the Vanguard
Woah, we have a canon xivu arath design!
Wasn't an avid fan of Destiny, but the ending of Witch Queen with the reveal of The Witness is one of the best moments I've seen in anything. Lightfall kinda disappointed me, but Season of the Witch looks promising :)
When in game LFG? -.-
The Traveller doesn’t resurrect people, Ghosts do. The Traveller left Riis to save the Eliksni. We’ve known for a while that the Traveller isn’t infallible. Why is everyone so bloody stupid?
The Traveler IS infallible
@@habibizbaydar No?
The Guardian sounds like Master Chief
So the witness has been hunting the traveler eh.
Ikora was spitting straight facts.
What armor and shaders at the first cutscene are you wearing? care to share?
Vault of Glass helmet, Guardian games 2021 chest piece, amethyst veil shader, can't quite remember the boots and gauntlets atm
So is savathun dead? Or will she be able to come back for the black fleet?
as long as her ghost lives, she can revive, just that it needs the body to resurrect her.
The ghost is still alive. She'll be revived probably when the traveler sees need for it to happen.
@@Knightlight3449 where are you polaris??
@@Knightlight3449 That or she ends up becoming the next big villain after the Witness is done.
What is that armor set???
I honestly think we have an mole, when the mysterious character appears, it sort of had the markings of called zavalas face, don't you think?
this is how destiny 2's story should've gone down. Introduce the big baddie the game has been setting up for a while, then set up an even greater threat and build a story over 2-3 years. the first 3 years of destiny's story were individual stories and had no ongoing narrative. THIS is a story and THIS DLC has the best campaign in Destiny period, not even close.
What's Sylens doing in this game?
She missed one,devotion inspires bravery
When you realize she the first guardian
Man shits getting bad when cayde left us
Bro… Jesus Christ that ending man WTF
The next light "element" is ironically darkness coming with the update lightfall so what is the traveler where does the beggining of good start and where does it end where is it that darkness is unrecognisable from light is light just another form of darkness and is the traveler just a coward using fallen species as a shield for its ever growing small "life" I never trusted the traveler from the moment I heard it erases memories
i think those other spheres in the sky are more travelers, it appears so min 17:54
they are moons
Well, that's just yet another proof - traveler is just a machine that was build by someone.
The best story
Already the game just started and people finished it???
Why the witness look like the alien from american dad
The end.... Nice look
Aw she came on a Prometheus ship
"you did the right thing"
We've been played...
I just wish that in the end of this story, humans, cabal, eliksnis, hive and even the vex can all be allies
not rly the vex
3:46 roll credits
I never finished this dlc even though I did buy it.
Just don't say...I didn't warn you.
Hmm 🤔 the queens elegant voice makes me take pity on her… she truly is the queen of tricks and loopholes
Destiny has the most amazing ability to create a story that's so vague and complex, the only way you can get a decent understanding of it is if someone like Byf, a guy that does tons of research and analysis, has the motivation to make an entire youtube channel dedicated to making sense of the entire game for us to comprehend. I like it but at the same time wtf???
its the fromsoft effect
I hate when idiots say this. You don't need your hand to be held by Byf to understand any of it. You just don't want to look into it yourself.
@@TheFirstCurse1 bitch I'm not reading 2 books worth of lore within a game trying to give me barely any context through cryptic storytelling