This is for sure a foreign language for a new comer like me. All I know is that hard wood is the best for the fireplace or wood stove. I would not want to sell my wood because I would easily be cheated. Your video is awesome and very educational. Thank you for sharing it with us
Man, I appreciate you sharing this information. Been following a “saw miller” who made a video of a gold mine of black walnut he was bidding on. Toward the end of the video, he informed his “subs” that he wouldn’t discuss the deal (price) he made with the seller. Then went on to say he’d disclose that information to his Patreon folks. Irritating that someone making their living off RUclips saves the goody for the folks paying for better content. F**k that. Seems like the better stuff you put out, the more subscribers you’d get.
I saw the thumbnail and thought "I know that guy from somewhere." Then I saw the cedar and thought ok, he's obviously from around here, Oh yeah! Jason from MBMAM! As a 20+ year gypo logger and production sawyer I love the video, very well done. The scaling game is tricky and you explained it well.
I agree! There are hobbies and then there are businesses. Hobbies can be fun, businesses can be fun to, but need to make money and you also need to pay yourself
Dude that is awesome, he knows how to load a truck for sure. Western Red is my favorite, wish I had that stuff in my neck of the woods 🙏🧡🧡🧡👍 How do the log scalers decided on Scribner/ Doyle scale? I use the Doyle scale here in Ut. Thanks for sharing this 🪵 Supper glad I found your channel 👌
Hey Jason I enjoyed the video very informative I know nothing about logging but was wondering if you sold logs to firewood companies and if so can you give some ballpark prices for a truck load thanks in advance
Hi, I have not sold any firewood, but around here for a good split and dried cord of wood they go for somewhere between $200-$250 per cord. Hope that helps
You are doing great only getting 6% deduction with that kind of rot. The scalers here in Southern Oregon with are not nearly that generous with Douglas fir. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Thanks for watching! Yeah its funny when I send off a load of logs and then get the scale report I can never get it right. If I think the load will have a bunch of deducts it comes back fine, other times I think the load looks great and they cull a bunch of my logs! Sometimes I wonder if my loads get mixed up with somebody else 😂
You always give such good detail on everything you do. I like that. I did not know you worked in the forestry industry too. I have been following your mining channel with my prospecting channel. How on earth do you do it all? Right now firewood is taking up all my daylight hours just to keep up with demand.
My family recently sold 181 trees that according to the timber guy has 51,000 board feet. I have a very bitter distant VERY distant relative who is upset we didn't go through him. He claims we're being cheated even though I've never told him the price we're getting. He says they are taking all our high value trees. Walnut, Red Oak, and I know they are taking Birch too. The timber guys we went through do their own milling. Can anyone tell me how much on average 51,000 board feet is worth? I don't know how many of each species they are taking. Also I know for a fact that they aren't taking ALL of our walnut and oak tree. A neighbor we trust walked the woods with the Forester guy and for every walnut they marked they left at least 3. They said we will have more to harvest in 10yrs.
Not sure about the value, here in the Pacific North West depending on the species the value can range from $0.30-$1.50 per board foot. I would guess an average for your logs would be somewhere in the $0.50 range per board foot. Usually half the value goes to the logger though. How much did you get paid? Was it around $12,500??
Unfortunately my ground doesn't have any valuable minerals. It would be awesome to find some land that had something to mine, take the trees and then mine it though!
Hey many how many acres is that coming off of? Been trying to buy some property in northern florida and I am really trying to see if the yeild can pay the taxes. Its about 35-100 acres I've been looking at.
When I’m looking at a stumpage report, let’s say ash is $500 per thousand board feet. Does that price reflect total value of the wood then you split with logger? Or is the stump age report based on what the owner of the log is getting paid?
I'm not really an expert on stumpage, but I think the stumpage value is the total value of the wood on the stump. Then the logger will take their cut once its cut and the mill pays out.
Well, you can look at your own trees and count what type they are to see if they should even be pursued. If they are 20" or greater in diameter at chest height on the UPHILL side, then you might have value. Anything below this size and your value drastically drops off very quickly. Well, depends on how knotty your trees are is the actual answer. Are they straight trees without branches? If true, Then you have value, if they are bendy, twisted, or with large branches every few feet along the main stem along the sunny pasture side, then their value is drastically lower or zero(at best) and you would have to PAY someone to take them down for you. If you are back east of the Rockies, then I believe they take 16' sections and here it really depends on the tree type. So, count the number of clear, straight, 16 foot sections of tree you have. If you wish to pay someone to do this look for a timber appraiser. It will cost you $200 minimum. If walnut and large diameter or Cherry with large diameter without branches, defects = a peeler log? ==== BIG $$$/board foot. If anything else, prices are meh. Though Oak is generally not bad. Hickory even with defects is good money as well. Maple is always good if it is straight of course. There are many other niche types of logs that your local millers will take for show logs if they are big or even medium. Look on your local craigslist for local sawyers. They generally speaking are always advertising for wanted logs and often have a website for which log types they accept. Though it has been years since I have looked so maybe they have moved their advertising elsewhere by now. You can also look up your local $$$/mbf in your local area by just talking to your states natural resources department or just call your local mill operation. Good Luck. You probably have far less than you think on 17 acres unless it is ALL forested. Unless you have a log truck load, they will not even show up and anything below this you would actually be PAYING money for them to take them most likely. Anything with a 3" knot or greater = free to the mill, so do not even cut the tree down. Sorry, trees have very little value. It is even LOWER value right now compared to a year ago.
For the PNW I think cedar is probably on of the highest. Back east some of the most expensive are black walnut when it is grown straight for veneer wood. Also red and white oak as well as cherry are all expensive woods if the log is straight a free of defects. Thanks for watching and subing!
I don't understand why people in South East haul tractor trailer tree length wood to the chipper while many videos show others, in Northern regions taking a chipper in the woods and hauling chips in a van out to market. I can understand how a stationary electric motor chipper would be more efficient than a diesel motor driven "somewhat portable" chipper but why so much difference across the country?
Not really sure on that one. The mills are tight lipped about their end of it. But you might be able to get an idea by figuring out what a cedar 4x4 is from lowes and then doing the math backwards to get an idea of what lowes and the mill would get. Just a thought
@@SJForestProducts Be lucky to average $.35 a foot on our oak this winter ..We do have some nice wood but we have some big producers that can keep a market flooded .
Great insight into the logging business. When you say "scaling" is this synonymous with "grading"? Who is paying this person, the mill or you? And the "no pay log" makes no sense; that wood would be worth something to somebody if not the mill. Do you only harvest your own trees?
Hi. All good questions. Scaling is just a way to determine the amount of wood in a log, this is how the mill pays based on the board feet of wood contained in each log. I get paid directly from the mill and I do harvest my own trees, which is unusual. Most land owners hire a logging company to harvest the trees and then the land owner and logger split the revenue 50-50. I agree about the no pay logs, the mill can really gouge you if they want to. It sucks. Thanks for watching and your comment!
I have done some consulting in the past. Where are you located? What are your plans? Send me an email at info@sandjforestproducts.com and we can chat about it more
@@SJForestProducts cedar prices are better than I thought. A friend sent me a sheet with the Vancouver log prices. Cedar gang was at $435 m3. Chip and saw was $250 m3. Even utility was $250. Good time to have a couple of loads to sell.
Huh,,,, you’re only getting $1900 per 1000 board ft? That’s $1.90 per board foot. You should be getting better than that out of pine, let alone ceder. Quepasa
The ~$500/load ...What Distance to the mill is this price? In short, any single tree has negative value, but if you have over 100, then there is slight value.
Not really. All the trees in that pile were already dead or blown over when I salvaged them. Check out this video for what else I am doing on my 50 acres: ruclips.net/video/qDcUocUCu5I/видео.html I actually planted over 1500 trees this spring and I have over 9000 on order for next year to re-forest my site. Wood is a resource just like copper, steel, or oil. At least with trees you can plant more for the future! Thanks for watching my vids!
@@jamesrussell6870 i do dont get me wrong we need lumber i have killed many trees for work i also try to save as many as I can i will transplant saplings if im clearing an area and find one to two foot tall healthy hickory trees maple oak anything i will take a little time and transplant in a safe place and at least try imagine if most people cared and did just a little
Thank you for such an informative video. We are localish in Snohomish and I would love to get some advice for our massive cedar trees! Do you have social media or and email I could contact?
What an awesome explanation. Love all the details and the nuances of how to do this. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative! Thank you bud!
Thanks for your time educating us.
You bet!
This is really helpful, thanks!
This was an awesome video. I've been wondering about this for yrs. Look forward to watching more.
Thanks John! Hope to see you on future vids!
Great pay, thx for sharing! 😊
thanks for making this video, im trying to learn as much as I can before jumping into the industry..
Glad it was helpful!
This is for sure a foreign language for a new comer like me. All I know is that hard wood is the best for the fireplace or wood stove. I would not want to sell my wood because I would easily be cheated. Your video is awesome and very educational. Thank you for sharing it with us
Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Thanks. For sharing
Man, I appreciate you sharing this information. Been following a “saw miller” who made a video of a gold mine of black walnut he was bidding on. Toward the end of the video, he informed his “subs” that he wouldn’t discuss the deal (price) he made with the seller. Then went on to say he’d disclose that information to his Patreon folks. Irritating that someone making their living off RUclips saves the goody for the folks paying for better content. F**k that. Seems like the better stuff you put out, the more subscribers you’d get.
Thanks!
Thanks for the video
Thanks for watching
I saw the thumbnail and thought "I know that guy from somewhere." Then I saw the cedar and thought ok, he's obviously from around here, Oh yeah! Jason from MBMAM! As a 20+ year gypo logger and production sawyer I love the video, very well done. The scaling game is tricky and you explained it well.
Thanks! I appreciate it!
He's a good operator
Thanks Jason.... I’m a fan of both your channels 👍
Awesome! Thank you!
@@SJForestProducts ..... I sent a link to my boss .... was wondering if you would sell some logs to us ... we build log homes in Colorado
Yeah man, totally. Have your boss email me at info@sandjforestproducts.com and we will see if we can work something out. Thanks for thinking of me!
Good stuff.
Great info💪👍 subscribed
Thanks! Glad to have you!
Never underestimate what your own personal time is worth. A lot of folks do that. I was very guilty of it. A wise Princeton MBA set me straight.
I agree! There are hobbies and then there are businesses. Hobbies can be fun, businesses can be fun to, but need to make money and you also need to pay yourself
👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 thanks for the video
Any time!
Workin that machine like a fk'n BOSS !!
Nice video
Thanks!
Dude that is awesome, he knows how to load a truck for sure.
Western Red is my favorite, wish I had that stuff in my neck of the woods 🙏🧡🧡🧡👍
How do the log scalers decided on Scribner/ Doyle scale?
I use the Doyle scale here in Ut.
Thanks for sharing this 🪵
Supper glad I found your channel 👌
We use Scribner here on the west cost exclusively
Hey Jason I enjoyed the video very informative I know nothing about logging but was wondering if you sold logs to firewood companies and if so can you give some ballpark prices for a truck load thanks in advance
Hi, I have not sold any firewood, but around here for a good split and dried cord of wood they go for somewhere between $200-$250 per cord. Hope that helps
How much do you make in a month or a year??
8:34 a fun game of pick up sticks with a claw machine
haha, no kidding!
ive been doing timber for 42 years and we like to sell by weight and the ton its the most fairest way
Lot of his logs have rotten cores, one is twisted, one is split. I am rather surprised a mill would take it.
You are doing great only getting 6% deduction with that kind of rot. The scalers here in Southern Oregon with are not nearly that generous with Douglas fir. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Thanks for watching! Yeah its funny when I send off a load of logs and then get the scale report I can never get it right. If I think the load will have a bunch of deducts it comes back fine, other times I think the load looks great and they cull a bunch of my logs! Sometimes I wonder if my loads get mixed up with somebody else 😂
About how much are you getting for doug fir in southern Oregon? I'm in Port Orford.
You always give such good detail on everything you do. I like that. I did not know you worked in the forestry industry too. I have been following your mining channel with my prospecting channel. How on earth do you do it all? Right now firewood is taking up all my daylight hours just to keep up with demand.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
How often do you get new bids from the mills?
I started selling firewood. Do you know if I can buy a semi truck load of Oak and deliver to Texas
My family recently sold 181 trees that according to the timber guy has 51,000 board feet.
I have a very bitter distant VERY distant relative who is upset we didn't go through him. He claims we're being cheated even though I've never told him the price we're getting.
He says they are taking all our high value trees. Walnut, Red Oak, and I know they are taking Birch too. The timber guys we went through do their own milling.
Can anyone tell me how much on average 51,000 board feet is worth? I don't know how many of each species they are taking.
Also I know for a fact that they aren't taking ALL of our walnut and oak tree. A neighbor we trust walked the woods with the Forester guy and for every walnut they marked they left at least 3. They said we will have more to harvest in 10yrs.
Not sure about the value, here in the Pacific North West depending on the species the value can range from $0.30-$1.50 per board foot. I would guess an average for your logs would be somewhere in the $0.50 range per board foot. Usually half the value goes to the logger though. How much did you get paid? Was it around $12,500??
If this guy's time is free, I'm hiring.
I want to be a timber scaler now
Are you doing this venture to gain some money from logs before you mine a area? I know some folks up here in canada do that.
Unfortunately my ground doesn't have any valuable minerals. It would be awesome to find some land that had something to mine, take the trees and then mine it though!
Is there a minimum on the small end ? That tree shaped like a question mark is a beauty.
Hey many how many acres is that coming off of? Been trying to buy some property in northern florida and I am really trying to see if the yeild can pay the taxes. Its about 35-100 acres I've been looking at.
I have 50 acres in Washington State. The taxes here are cheap for forestry land, but not sure about Florida
Do u have a video on How to tell which tree is which?
Not yet, but I could make one. Thanks for the idea!
I am thinking about building a pergola but I want to use logs...but don't know where to get them or search for them. I live in California
Not sure about that one. Maybe check craigslist or FB marketplace?
When I’m looking at a stumpage report, let’s say ash is $500 per thousand board feet. Does that price reflect total value of the wood then you split with logger? Or is the stump age report based on what the owner of the log is getting paid?
I'm not really an expert on stumpage, but I think the stumpage value is the total value of the wood on the stump. Then the logger will take their cut once its cut and the mill pays out.
@@SJForestProducts thank you!
The mill is paying you $1.90bdft. I get people complaining about $4.00bdft for milled boards.
Haha, me too!
I'm trying sell the timber I have on my 17 acres pasture. Wondering what would be the best way to start?
Contact the closest mill and ask about a good contract logging company. Are you thinking of clearcutting or select logging? Good luck!
Well, you can look at your own trees and count what type they are to see if they should even be pursued. If they are 20" or greater in diameter at chest height on the UPHILL side, then you might have value. Anything below this size and your value drastically drops off very quickly. Well, depends on how knotty your trees are is the actual answer. Are they straight trees without branches? If true, Then you have value, if they are bendy, twisted, or with large branches every few feet along the main stem along the sunny pasture side, then their value is drastically lower or zero(at best) and you would have to PAY someone to take them down for you. If you are back east of the Rockies, then I believe they take 16' sections and here it really depends on the tree type. So, count the number of clear, straight, 16 foot sections of tree you have. If you wish to pay someone to do this look for a timber appraiser. It will cost you $200 minimum.
If walnut and large diameter or Cherry with large diameter without branches, defects = a peeler log? ==== BIG $$$/board foot. If anything else, prices are meh. Though Oak is generally not bad. Hickory even with defects is good money as well. Maple is always good if it is straight of course. There are many other niche types of logs that your local millers will take for show logs if they are big or even medium. Look on your local craigslist for local sawyers. They generally speaking are always advertising for wanted logs and often have a website for which log types they accept. Though it has been years since I have looked so maybe they have moved their advertising elsewhere by now. You can also look up your local $$$/mbf in your local area by just talking to your states natural resources department or just call your local mill operation.
Good Luck. You probably have far less than you think on 17 acres unless it is ALL forested. Unless you have a log truck load, they will not even show up and anything below this you would actually be PAYING money for them to take them most likely. Anything with a 3" knot or greater = free to the mill, so do not even cut the tree down.
Sorry, trees have very little value. It is even LOWER value right now compared to a year ago.
When lumber spiked, did logs follow in payout?
Not nearly as much. The mills got most of the profit, not the loggers
What are some of the most expensive species?
For the PNW I think cedar is probably on of the highest. Back east some of the most expensive are black walnut when it is grown straight for veneer wood. Also red and white oak as well as cherry are all expensive woods if the log is straight a free of defects. Thanks for watching and subing!
Did you have to pay the grading company and if so how much ?
The grading is all done at the mill and the mill pays for it. Great question! Thanks for watching!
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I don't understand why people in South East haul tractor trailer tree length wood to the chipper while many videos show others, in Northern regions taking a chipper in the woods and hauling chips in a van out to market. I can understand how a stationary electric motor chipper would be more efficient than a diesel motor driven "somewhat portable" chipper but why so much difference across the country?
Fritchs mill huh? My neighbors hauled out about 10 loads of big fir to fritchs mill
Did the trucker give you a weight reading for this load?
I can't remember the exact amount, but yes he did have scales. I want to say it was somewhere around 80,000 lbs, but that seems like too much (?)
Sounds about right. I believe 80k lbs is the weight limit for log trucks-at least in Oregon
It's 721 bf on Doyle rule
So if you made $5190 on that load, how much does the mill typically make of that load?
Not really sure on that one. The mills are tight lipped about their end of it. But you might be able to get an idea by figuring out what a cedar 4x4 is from lowes and then doing the math backwards to get an idea of what lowes and the mill would get. Just a thought
The mills have some big overhead
I wish we could get paid like that in WI ...
Haha, what are the prices for your oak? Its pretty good wood? The cedar prices have been cut in half since I posted the video. Thanks for watching!
@@SJForestProducts Be lucky to average $.35 a foot on our oak this winter ..We do have some nice wood but we have some big producers that can keep a market flooded .
Great insight into the logging business.
When you say "scaling" is this synonymous with "grading"?
Who is paying this person, the mill or you?
And the "no pay log" makes no sense; that wood would be worth something to somebody if not the mill.
Do you only harvest your own trees?
Hi. All good questions. Scaling is just a way to determine the amount of wood in a log, this is how the mill pays based on the board feet of wood contained in each log. I get paid directly from the mill and I do harvest my own trees, which is unusual. Most land owners hire a logging company to harvest the trees and then the land owner and logger split the revenue 50-50. I agree about the no pay logs, the mill can really gouge you if they want to. It sucks. Thanks for watching and your comment!
In what state do you sell?
Washington State
^5
Are you a logging consultant?
I have done some consulting in the past. Where are you located? What are your plans? Send me an email at info@sandjforestproducts.com and we can chat about it more
I’m interested in your services if you are
I don't see any high value logs here. Cedar gang and chip and saw. Second growth.
I agree, most of my wood is small and second growth. Still added up to a nice pay day!
@@SJForestProducts cedar prices are better than I thought.
A friend sent me a sheet with the Vancouver log prices. Cedar gang was at $435 m3. Chip and saw was $250 m3. Even utility was $250. Good time to have a couple of loads to sell.
Who isthe S in the S/J/
Huh,,,, you’re only getting $1900 per 1000 board ft? That’s $1.90 per board foot. You should be getting better than that out of pine, let alone ceder. Quepasa
You need to invest in a portable sawmill…….
I agree! Can't wait to get one. They are so cool!
The ~$500/load ...What Distance to the mill is this price? In short, any single tree has negative value, but if you have over 100, then there is slight value.
I think the mill is about 45 miles from my wood lot
@@SJForestProducts Thank you for the reference point! Much appreciated.
wow thats not much, compared to treee trimming or taking down trees that grew to large for peoples yards
killing trees wtf we are going to be fucked
Not really. All the trees in that pile were already dead or blown over when I salvaged them. Check out this video for what else I am doing on my 50 acres: ruclips.net/video/qDcUocUCu5I/видео.html I actually planted over 1500 trees this spring and I have over 9000 on order for next year to re-forest my site. Wood is a resource just like copper, steel, or oil. At least with trees you can plant more for the future! Thanks for watching my vids!
@@SJForestProducts forget that troll man. You said it right in the video.
That definitely isn't johnny cash......
Since you came back from the dead Johnny Cash, get off your a$$ & go plant some trees!!! My sawmill is hungrier than Pizza the hut!!
@@jamesrussell6870 i do dont get me wrong we need lumber i have killed many trees for work i also try to save as many as I can i will transplant saplings if im clearing an area and find one to two foot tall healthy hickory trees maple oak anything i will take a little time and transplant in a safe place and at least try imagine if most people cared and did just a little
Thank you for such an informative video. We are localish in Snohomish and I would love to get some advice for our massive cedar trees! Do you have social media or and email I could contact?
Hi Raylene. Sure! You can email me at info@sandjforestproducts.com Thanks, and look forward to hearing from you
Can I get your email please
Info@sandjforestproducts.com