Are They Going to Ban Gas Stoves?
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Last week, the internet was in uproar over comments made about possibly banning or restricting gas stoves in the USA, but will anything come of it? What will happen if they ban gas stoves? What will some of the results be from any possible ban or restriction?
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It's flat out WRONG for our government to outlaw gas stoves! Our law makers know zero about cooking! Studies showing that gas stoves cause asthma were funding by "green energy." It a ruse and every media outlet is beholden to corporations to push the corporate agenda. It's that simple. Don't you see what is happening? By electrifying everything and limiting power only to electricity for the masses, the government will have ultimate control over us. For instance, they will be able to control everything with software. If you used your monthly allotment of energy, they'll be able to turn off you car with software. Want to go on a vacation? Nope. You went to the mall too many times this month. This is what Davos and the World Economic Forum is doing right now. They are using "green energy" as a weapon to take power away from us. They are brainwashing you to accept less. China is already doing this with its citizens and this wave is moving to the West. We will always have natural gas. It's a rich source of power. Who will be using that gas? Not you, that's for sure, if you're so willing to give up control to the government. Natural gas will be used by the elites. Do you think the elites will give up their private jets? Do you think the elites will give up their yachts, that use 10,000 gallons of gasoline a day? Stop being so gullible. Yes, we need green energy. We need green energy to supplement other forms of energy. We need to tackle climate change but to ban a major form of energy that the masses use is draconian. We will always have gas. We will always have natural gas. Only the rich will be able to access it. And you're fooling yourself if you think electricity is clean. Electricity needs coal for fuel and take a look at coal burning around the world. Banning gas stoves is a slippery slope to hell.
@@davidhunternyc1 Yes, Yes, Yes!!!! You are spot on!!!!👏💯
@@ODINS_daughter What gets me is, right now, I don't see any push back from the natural gas industry. I wrote to the American Gas Association and I've not heard back from them. I'm a socialist liberal and whoever thought I would be backing the gas industry, but here we are. ❤
Ben can you give us a video on best American made gas stoves? I'm swapping from electric to LP now.
I chose induction (Kenmore Elite) 14 years ago when renovating an old house. Continue to love it! Quick, safe around little kids, efficient, no unnecessary heating of house, no waiting for water to boil.
Was about to say the same (except 4-5 years instead of 14).
It's not really "safe" around little kids..
I have a 20-year-old Frigidaire glass top stove, that's never had one problem. It was around $550 at the time of purchase. Also I have a cheap washing machine, a Roper that's never had a problem in 20 years and it was around $210 at the time the purchase. Boy have I got my money's worth out of those two.
I LOVE my roper I got for free from an Army guy on emergency deployment. I hate the expensive one that came with the house. You know, never have to lean over, uses too much electricity. Rubber seal I have to put my head through to put my laundry in and out and I am allergic to rubber and it gets on my clothes so I get a rash.
The consumer stuff they make for last twenty years is junk.
You have to buy commercial machines today to equal the build quality of Whirlpool / Maytag of late seventies/ early 80's.
@@ferndog1461 SPEED QUEEN TC5000!
Yup, I've got a 20+ year old electric stove, and at my parent's old house I have a 20+ year old Kenmore gas stove. Neither has given any trouble, other than the cast iron trivets on the gas stove rattle because some of the little neoprene feet have gone missing through the years. No interest in replacing either. But if I did it would most likely be electric - but not an induction stove - I'm not giving up my ~70 year old Revereware pots and pans for anything.
They'll be regulating electric ranges next! Force us all to buy induction cooktops at ransom prices!
The biggest problem is that many if not most American households only have a recirculating vent hood. If you have a proper vent hoot dat moves the air outside and crack a window to allow fresh air to enter the kitchen so the vent hood can do its job I don’t thing there is a problem. Neither will you skunk up the house….
Don't know why it is, but I have always struggled to properly fry an egg on an electric stove but to fry one on a gas stove is easy as pie. One of the small mysteries of life.
It is because the gas stove will heat the pan faster. You have to wait a little longer for the electric stove to get the pan to the right temperature. But this also depends on what type of electric stove you have.
It depends on what type of pan you are using as well.
01:43 "If the government really wanted to talk about dealing with deadly gas, they'd go to the source...." 🌮🔔 😂😂😂
I have an ole O’Keefe and Merritt and Wedgewood gas stove I love it especially when power outages goes out I am able to still use it
Start with requiring vents to go outside. This used to be a common thing - an exhaust fan in the wall near the stove.
Great topic Ben. As a appliance Tech myself I’ll share my 38 years experience with cooking appliances. Firstly they all have their pros and cons, Gas is very fast and has great temperature control, solid steel electric elements are indestructible and reasonably easily cleaned, ceramic great temp control and very easy to clean the same as induction but with induction having a faster initial heat up timeframe.
Downsides
Gas, lots of fiddly bits to clean, pollutants inside your house, often leak gas both from the stove and the supply pipes, also depending on the style have several electrical problems with ignition and gas flow, not to mention older style cooktops can be turned on with no flame potentially causing a house fire
Solid electric element, downside Is temperature control, very slow to initially heat up and when hot very slow to reduce cooking temp
Regular ceramic cooktop the ceramic top is easily broken, not cheap to repair with the unique top panels sometimes not available at all resulting in having to replace the entire appliance
Induction cooktop, well, my least favourite appliance of all time. Expensive to purchase, similarly easy to crack the cooking surface as the regular ceramic cooktop,,, but,,, the real weak spot is the overly complex, very expensive electronics that drive the induction process. The electronics easily fail and very expensive, with a standard repair costing far more than a regular ceramic cooktop. Also they require specific ventilation upon installation which if not done results in overheating and you guessed it damaging the expensive electronics. (Fun fact over 90% of induction cooktops ARE NOT INSTALLED CORRECTLY, resulting In breakdown and shorter lifespans)
My stove is a New World Forty Two, it looks and works like new and is around 70 years old.
@@stevenbalekic5683 nice, they definitely aren’t built like that anymore, sadly that quality will never be seen again
@@stevenbalekic5683 you should have a look at my refrigerator, search, 1938 Roto Fridge, it’s a beauty 👍👍
@@spinnymathingy3149
Kinda looks like a hot water heater.
@@stevenbalekic5683 yeah, definitely a unique piece, the shelves inside are really nice
I had asthma attacks when I was a kid growing up. I recently had an asthma attack and almost died a few months ago. My childhood home only has electric ranges. My home now has gas everything. Stove, heater, dryer, furnace, etc.
Moral of my story? Gas or not, I still had asthma attacks.
Ban or no ban on gas stoves, I still will have asthma.
Ben, I appreciate your two cents on your view of gas stoves.
I'm from NYC. They have already banned natural gas in new construction homes and buildings.
The American power grid isn't reliable; its prone to outages, failures, and attacks. Natural gas should never be banned as it is a redundant energy source. If politicians want to ban natural gas, they should ban gas appliances that cannot operate during an outage (gas dryers, gas boilers, gas furnaces, etc)
Gas cooking is important in Asian cuisine. High temperature heat is needed in stir-frying and Korean BBQ tastes so much better.
I have cooked on both gas and electric. I find I can fine tune my gas stove top where I couldn't do that with my electric glass top. I also like to use cast iron pans and they tend to scratch up glass top stoves. Also I noticed that over time the burners you use the most on an electric stove top start to take longer and longer to heat up. I also had to be careful about the pots and pans I used with certain stove tops. Not all cookware can be used on induction tops and putting really heavy pots on a glass top is a bit risky.
I am also a baker and have preferred my electric convection ovens to my gas ones. They heat more evenly and seem to bake more efficiently saving time and I seem to get a better product out of my electric ovens. I honestly wish there was a way to combine the two without spending thousands of dollars to put in cooktops and built-in ovens. In our experience houses that were plumbed with gas appliances do not have the electrical capacity to add electrical appliances to the breaker box. Replacing a main box is expensive and honestly where is all that extra electricity going to come from? If places like California can't even keep the lights on now how are they going to manage to keep the lights on when demand for electricity skyrockets?
I don't see gas going anywhere in the near future but I do think stoves should be redesigned for better efficiency. If you can get a 95% efficient furnace I think we can make a more efficient stove and if emissions in the house are a problem building codes should be updated so builders must vent these stoves outside. That should be the norm with any stove. Changes like this would go a long way in helping the environment and allowing people to choose their preferred cooking method.
Ben: Here in UK the usual 'modern' arrangement is a gas hob (ie, stove-top) and electric oven either beneath the hob or separately at waist height. Our equivalent to your Consumer Reports is Which?, which similarly disparages gas cooking appliances in favour of electric - including induction hobs.
Electricity is EXTREMELY expensive here: some 50 cents per kwh; gas has increased much recently but is still significantly cheaper than electricity notwithstanding relative inefficiency.
As there's been the threat of electricity outages here I'm disinclined to get rid of my gas hob. In an outage it still works, both as a source of temporary warmth (albeit inefficient) because the gas boiler (ie, furnace) would not operate without electric; and, more importantly, as a means of heating food and boiling water. In a small household one can always use a portable, plug-in induction hob with one or two 'rings' if one prefers, without junking the gas hob. This is what I do.
With the push for electric vehicles also, I'm unconvinced there'll necessarily be enough electricity available at peak times to power this huge additional demand from heat pumps, vehicles, and now stoves. Having a natural gas stove or at least hob is a fail-safe if the grid goes down (as Brits were warned it could this winter and as we know has happened in NY and CA either through failure or excess demand). I'm also unconvinced that heat pumps can provide sufficient hot water for heating and washing in winter without having supplemental - and v expensive - conventional electric element water heating.
So while I don't have a preference for gas cooking per se I don't want to lose my gas supply. I suspect the vast majority of Brits agree (90% of our properties are heated by has boilers; I don't see how over 20 millions could be replaced for decades...)
Thanks for the UK perspective on this one!
PS Thanks, Ben, PS: While Brits are encouraged to use a cooker hood/vent above a gas hob to vent fumes outdoors, it's not mandated. I always put the hood on - not least 'cos burning gas creates condensation. We have nothing like your vent/microwave arrangement - just a hood above the hob/cooktop. I've never seen a micro above a hob/cooktop in UK but they seem the norm in US. We do have quirky differences - the electric kettle being the one that perplexes US friends (as opposed to boiling water on the cooktop). Best wishes.
I do wonder why they try everything in their power to make electricity expensive.
@Steven Strain Steven: Solar makes sense in CA 'cos of the climate. I have it on my house near Liverpool, Eng - far less sun than CA but on balance worthwhile though not a 'no-brainer' given the payback period. I don't have batt storage - like most Brits - 'cos they're v expensive here to have with solar: an extra £3-5,000 on top of the typical £8,000 for the typical 4kw solar system. Given the replacement at 10 yrs on a 20-yr solar system the maths makes them unviable. But given the absurd cost of electricity here and the appearance of cheaper off-peak that could be stored, as well as for EVs, they'll become commoner - but slowly unless they are cheaper.
@@MapleMan1984 that’s why they probably want to outlaw gas appliances since electric companies will be able to charge whatever they want since it will be at the whim of them. Basically the government is creating a monopoly though there are many different electric companies throughout the United States, they simply don’t want anyone to have options and that’s what monopolies and tycoons want.
Guess its back to wood stoves.
Hi Ben, thanks for your informative video clips. I'm in South Africa and would like to draw your attention to an old washing machine I did my apprenticeship on, namely FUCHS L27. Now this machine was amazing as it had a large capacity and one motor that turned in the same direction and speed throughout the cycle. It had and idler pulley at the bottom and a oval pulley in the center of the drum with a large round pulley in front of it. The oval pulley allowed the clothes to "Tumble" and with the help of a clutch and solenoid one of the two belts would engage the large pulley to let the machine spin. It was a bit dirty to work on as it had grease and oil on certain parts. This machine was virtually indestructible. And what they did in the factory towards the end of production was to (Sorry no more spares) They did this so people would start to buy inferior machine like they have today. Our market in South Africa is mostly LG, Samsung, Hisense and Defy.
I prefered the glass top stove at my previous home to the gas stove at my current home. I had really horrible coil top electric stoves at rentals 20 - 25 years ago; they took too long to heat the coils up. But that glass top at my last place was great. Heated fast and was easier to keep clean than any other stove top I've ever had.
Induction is the best ever!
is it a hard learning curve? Trying to talk my husband into an induction and he isn't too keen @@hollylarsen8944
@@hollylarsen8944 Induction is kinda dangerous and innefficent
I had to remove my gas range and replaced it with an induction range. The fumes made me very ill! If you read the manual, they say to remove birds from the room when using.
Oh my, I had no idea
Birds and cooking with non stick pans will make birds sick or kill them as well.
Induction ranges are soo dangerous aswell
I’ve had both electric and gas. I like both, but I probably prefer gas
I grew up in all gas cooking homes - gas hob and oven. My current home only had a gas cooktop with the oven being electric. The oven is broken and as there is obviously gas in the property, I shall replace it with a gas model.
Retired electrical engineer here.
Studied power engineering.
An electric oven generates 3 times the co2 as a gas oven. shocking isn't it.
If you have a gas stove and use 1 gallon of propane a week to do your cooking, then convert to an electric oven, the power company will have to burn 3 gallons of propane to produce the electricity you need to cook. Power companies operate at about a 35% thermal efficiency.
Burning a fossil fuel to create heat is almost 100% efficient. But converting that heat to electric power and 70% of heat energy in propane is thrown a away as waste heat.
This thermodynamic result was proven by the scientist Sadi Carnot about two centuries ago.
The electric grid itself has typical losses of about 9%. But the heat engine all power plants use struggle to be better that 30% efficient
So it would be very beneficial to the planet if you got rid of your electric oven and got a gas oven.
That calculation will tilt toward electric ovens if you are getting power from a nuclear power plant, or from a fossil fuel powered plant that is doing carbon capture. But carbon capture is many years in the future.
The democrats are lying to you. Are you surprised?
Kevin
Gas when electric system fails
Then will they ban gas furnaces? Seems like they have no problem in practice with coal powered electric, but want us all tied to an aging grid.
New York Governor Kathy Hochul has already proposed that for NY by 2030. Hasn't been voted on by State Assembly & Senate buy=t she has proposed it.
gas furnaces vent outside.
@@MrShivshank have you heard the clip on cnn admitting that this is actually part a “climate change strategy “? ICE cars exhaust outside too but they want to get rid of those too….
Retired electrical engineer here.
Studied power engineering.
An electric oven generates 3 times the co2 as a gas oven. shocking isn't it.
If you have a gas stove and use 1 gallon of propane a week to do your cooking, then convert to an electric oven, the power company will have to burn 3 gallons of propane to produce the electricity you need to cook. Power companies operate at about a 35% thermal efficiency.
Burning a fossil fuel to create heat is almost 100% efficient. But converting that heat to electric power and 70% of heat energy in propane is thrown a away as waste heat.
This thermodynamic result was proven by the scientist Sadi Carnot about two centuries ago.
The electric grid itself has typical losses of about 9%. But the heat engine all power plants use struggle to be better that 30% efficient
So it would be very beneficial to the planet if you got rid of your electric oven and got a gas oven.
That calculation will tilt toward electric ovens if you are getting power from a nuclear power plant, or from a fossil fuel powered plant that is doing carbon capture. But carbon capture is many years in the future.
The democrats are lying to you. Are you surprised?
Kevin
@@catmando3250 80-90% of our power mix here in WA is already renewable, mostly hydro. Solar and wind are by far the cheapest forms of the new generation today. The total US grid will be majority renewable in under a decade.
65% of the heat generated on a gas range is wasted where even non-induction electric transfers 70%+ into the food. You can insulate an electric oven where a gas one requires constant fresh air which leaks as wasted heat.
Your math may have sorta worked in the 1980s but it just doesn't today. Maybe now you're retired you can update your studies.
I live off the grid. I use propane. I do not want electric stoves/ovens/clothes dryers. They use too much electricity. I also have a woodstove. So there.
As someone who grew up in South Florida and went through hurricane Andrew I will always choose gas stove. We were able to cook our food, boil our water to drink, and take warm showers. These 3 simple things make gas king in hurricane prone areas imo.
Retired electrical engineer here.
Studied power engineering.
An electric oven generates 3 times the co2 as a gas oven. shocking isn't it.
If you have a gas stove and use 1 gallon of propane a week to do your cooking, then convert to an electric oven, the power company will have to burn 3 gallons of propane to produce the electricity you need to cook. Power companies operate at about a 35% thermal efficiency.
Burning a fossil fuel to create heat is almost 100% efficient. But converting that heat to electric power and 70% of heat energy in propane is thrown a away as waste heat.
This thermodynamic result was proven by the scientist Sadi Carnot about two centuries ago.
The electric grid itself has typical losses of about 9%. But the heat engine all power plants use struggle to be better that 30% efficient
So it would be very beneficial to the planet if you got rid of your electric oven and got a gas oven.
That calculation will tilt toward electric ovens if you are getting power from a nuclear power plant, or from a fossil fuel powered plant that is doing carbon capture. But carbon capture is many years in the future.
The democrats are lying to you. Are you surprised?
Kevin
@@catmando3250 This doesn't address the environmentally bankrupt measures used to produce the copper, lithium, gallium, cobalt, germanium, neodymium, and other rare earths used in production of the circuit boards, solar panels, and batteries needed to produce and store "clean" electricity, or dealing with the devils in the repressive and war-mongering regimes in charge of the nations where most of those elements are strip-mined, or the slave conditions in those countries.
How long will those panels and batteries last, how many actually will be recycled? How much does recycling cost compared with land-filling?
In short, on every level, "clean energy" is eye wash for those who believe you can pick a turd up by the clean end.
@@catmando3250 Posting the same nonsense twice doesn't make it right buddy.
As someone also who also went through 2005 in FL, are you aware that they will cut off the gas supply on impending hurricanes?
@@sprockkets As someone who owns 80 acres that sits on top of a natural gas reserve which I also own, you are aware "they" won't be cutting off my gas? My gas is completely independent of of public systems. My land, my gas, my well, runs straight to my house. My family has used this gas for 3 generations, and even in 2015 there was still too much gas to get a residential reserve measurement. Which means it will last at least a few decades, likely more than a century.
I got a water wasting washer and love it, it actually washes my clothes
Absolutely- the "efficient' washers they sell now do not clean my dirty work clothes and require a second wash, thus using even more water and electricity with more waste-water too. Plus it's built more robustly and easier and cheaper to repair. Plus it needs far fewer repairs. New technology isn't always the best answer!
@@P_RO_ Not to mention the "low flow efficient" toilets that you have to flush 5 or 6 times to clear..
@@robertherman1146 I don't think that you have an accurate view on toilet flush effectiveness. More water doesn't make for a better flush. Other aspect matter much more. Details such as the design, production accuracy, and full glazing of the drain are most important. A 3" flush tower is far better than a traditional 2" flapper.
A modern 6L (1.6 gallon) toilet is far better than any 5 gallon tank toilet. The good 5L ones are matching that performance, but that is moving into the range where a full-line-pressure bottom siphon, as found on commercial toilets, is the better approach.
My washer and dryer are over 50 years old. Both work perfectly. I will not remove my gas stove.
Let's be clear.
I've used a lot of fossil fuels in my life. Gone forever, never to be seen again.
But every drop of water I've ever used. Is still on this planet.
I have a well and a Septic tank. I've never used any water. All I do is move water from one spot in the ground to a different spot in ground.
It's all still there.
Kevin
Yesterday i was without power for 3 hours because of a thunderstorm. However i was still able to cook myself dinner with my gas stove using a candle lighter to ignite the burner. I never want to go to electric because of the unreliable transmission of it, i don't want to go without hot food every storm or brownout.
In those situations, gas can be a life saver. That's why every house with an electric stove should have a burner connected to a gas bottle in case of an emergency; because even though gas is more reliable, during extreme cold events, both gas and electricity can be cut off.
I have a all-electric house but I have a propane grill with a side burner in the backyard. So it's an easy fix for power outages.
Get a generator dumbass
Even a gas camp stove is a good back up
You could have a grill outside for this situation. Problem solved
Great video and nice perspective on this concept! Good job Ben.
The two biggest issues with gas stoves are the amount of people who don't use a vent / fan when cooking and the second issue are those "vents" that don't actually push any fumes outside just recirculates it in the house
I don't know what the issue is. Haven't been a vent in my house in 60 years
Don't vent your bathroom?
@@brianbirtcher431 a 60 year old home has plenty of venting in the construction
Yes and they don't bother to crack open a window but will still bitch about the danger.
@@kellismith4329 My 55 year old mobile home has vents. Actually, the previous owner removed the range hood and duct taped the vent in the cabinet. It was a ton of work to fix since the original vent was right side mounted and all modern ones are center. Also had to fit a square vent into a round hole.. and to top it off I barely cook.. but by god when I heard vented range hoods weren't required.. even for gas stoves, my reactions was "well that's stupid. Gas furnaces vent outside.. and a gas stove in operation uses up to the same amount"
So I put one back in. Hard for a first time DIYer but easy since at least the hole in the roof and duct was still there.. just had to buy adapters and pull out some duct tape and leaf debris.
All that to say, in 1967 they thought a vented range hood was a good idea, and its still a good idea today.. Even electric stoves, during cooking, have fumes from the cooking oils, etc and that shit just coats your kitchen/cabinets without a proper place to go
I have a ceramic top stove, but I usually use a portable induction cook top and the oven of the stove. Waiting for induction stoves to come down in price if ever. This is a great video and very timely.
It's gonna be awhile before induction stoves come down in price, if ever. Just read there's a big price increase coming next month.
My next one is induction. No flames, no baked on crud when something is spilled. Not even a hot surface to burn you (other than the pot or pan)
I’m still trying to decide. I know people who hate their induction cooktops, because the large burner doesn’t actually heat out to the painted on pan-size indicator, and I use big skillets. The induction cooktops in the US have a higher failure rate than is acceptable to me, too. If I lived in Japan or Europe, where induction has been in use longer and they got the kinks worked out, I wouldn’t still be considering gas. Although if I were sure the government won’t cause supply or affordability issues with gas, I wouldn’t even consider induction at this point.
@@thesender6321 You might need to change your pans as they must be magnetic 🧲
yes but as I understand the MAGNET size is what matters - burner size can be larger than the actual magnet size and then the pan magnet has to same size @@paulbennett2929
They emit radiation and bad fumes yk
For all the induction cooktop advocates...
FDA rules require anyone with a pacemaker, defibrillator or insulin pump to be at least 2 ft away from these units. The magnetic field produced by the cooktop can effect these medical devices. The EU has a similar rule.
Great video, thanks! We are currently in Calif and if/when I am required to replace my gas appliances, then I would also need new electric line to the stove AND an upgraded meter panel that runs $7k-$10k.
Plus you will freeze if electricity goes down like it happens all the time
Dutch perspective here.
I'm personally looking into replacing my gas cooktop with an induction cooktop.
The prices for induction you told in the video was extremely high, the high end best tested units here are €450 - €500 for one with four positions, or at most €1500 for 5.
Also houses are always prepared for electric cooking with conduit going from the fuse board to the kitchen big enough for the 5 wires required.
The Dutch government had a requirement for new houses to have a connection to the gas grid, this however was repealed in 2018, and replaced with a ban.
We bought an induction hob six months ago to try it out and see how we liked it. Wouldn't you know it, our gas stove died last week. We'll be replacing it with an induction stove, even with the added expense of a new electric line (which will not be too bad in our case). Even my wife, who was skeptical of induction at first, changed her mind when she got a chance to use one.
What surprises me, is how shocked everyone seems to be about the gases released. I have no idea how long ago it was, that someone pointed out the surprising amount of CO that stoves produce, and that they need to be vented outdoors. Inefficient burning means other gases than just CO. I am surprised that they're leaky though. I thought there were standards.
Sure, they profuce a lot of CO when they are in use, but unless you are a restaurant, you're not cooking all day long. So this noxious gas thing is a strawman argument
They don't run all the time, so who the hell cares? If people are that concerned, get a CO detector and open the door once jn a while. Spend more time outside and that's not an issue.
Why is no one talking about the pans that give off more deadly substances in air and food ?
@@henrystowe6217 if they leak, then they leak all the time, dumbass.
@@gafairbanks2434 you are right, ban them both.
For my stove top, I like my gas a bit better. It's not hotter, but it's easier to control the temperature quickly. It does dump a lot more heat into the cooking area, and in the hot summer, that adds up really fast. For the oven, I'll take electric every day. The gas burning not only produces all those chemicals, but it makes WATER vapor, which means it's harder to get good crusts and browning in the oven. Not to mention, the gasses need to escape, and that dumps a TON of heat into my kitchen. I live in Arizona, and the stove is pretty much off-limits for half the year.
Yeah, and in the cold weather having that extra heat is a good thing
@@henrystowe6217 For some. But I live in Phoenix, and we pretty much never need to turn the heat on. Hell, we're in late January NOW, and we leave windows open during the day.
@@timberger72 I live in ok and while Temps have been warmer than average, yiu still need a heater.
I don't understand why induction cooktops cost so much, I bought 120 volt single burner induction for like $60 from duxtop on Amazon, because my counter space is limited I have it sitting on top of my glass top stove, I don't even use my glass-top anymore because the induction is so fast and it doesn't make a bunch of undesired Heat in my apartment, if you haven't tried an induction burner you really need to
Induction is much more controllable than gas. Induction goes up and down faster.
Funny man! You did it again. A GREAT presentation and very informative. You are an appliance professor!
That will not happen anytime soon. Just like the incandescent lightbulbs were all supposed to be banned like 10 years ago. I can still buy them today from just about any store that sells bulbs.
You did well in presenting and citing. My daughter too has asthma, I'm looking to switch.
Thanks!
This was an excellent video, Ben. Thanks for the thoughtful post.
Yup. Smart. Just shift more of the burden to the electrical grid where I'm sure solar and wind will have no trouble keeping up. NOT. And I'm sure the environmentalists will balk at nuclear solutions, too. So, with supply and demand, we all pay through the nose on the electric bill.
Gas stove? I didn't know they made those. No idea. No need to look here. I got the coils thingy . . . I don't even got a stove. What's a stove? I got a microwave. Yup, a good old microwave. Wait, I think it's energy efficient. Yup. Everything in my house is green.
R/Ihadastroke
Thank you Ben🙂 As usual, I always appreciate your common sense, fact filled commentary.
Hello Ben! I really like your in depth knowledge and your passion for this subject shows! I meant to ask you what you think of Huebsch washers and dryers! I noticed these are usually seen at campgrounds and laundromats, the few that are left!
They're fantastic! Definitely real commercial units. You're gonna pay a LOT but they will last longer than you will
Retired electrical engineer here.
Studied power engineering.
An electric oven generates 3 times the co2 as a gas oven. shocking isn't it.
If you have a gas stove and use 1 gallon of propane a week to do your cooking, then convert to an electric oven, the power company will have to burn 3 gallons of propane to produce the electricity you need to cook. Power companies operate at about a 35% thermal efficiency.
Burning a fossil fuel to create heat is almost 100% efficient. But converting that heat to electric power and 70% of heat energy in propane is thrown a away as waste heat.
This thermodynamic result was proven by the scientist Sadi Carnot about two centuries ago.
The electric grid itself has typical losses of about 9%. But the heat engine all power plants use struggle to be better that 30% efficient
So it would be very beneficial to the planet if you got rid of your electric oven and got a gas oven.
That calculation will tilt toward electric ovens if you are getting power from a nuclear power plant, or from a fossil fuel powered plant that is doing carbon capture. But carbon capture is many years in the future.
The democrats are lying to you. Are you surprised?
Kevin
I'm not concerned about parts in the next decade, I'm concerned about gas price as they produce less as demand goes down and price will push people out.
Forgot to say the one BIG advantage of a glass hob/cooktop as opposed to gas burner and coil top (the latter are now v rare here) is ease of cleaning - although I know you can get gas-on-glass. I hate cleaning fiddly burners...
My wife demanded a gas a glass top stove exactly for that reason among everything else
@@bensappliancesandjunk She's a lady of good sense!
100 percent agreed. I like electric and gas equally but am sick of these busybody pinheads dictating peoples choices.
My in-laws purchased a glass top stove about 2 years ago and while it works well and cleans easily, it now looks unsightly because of scratches on the glass.
When I owned a glass cooktop, it had burnt on food residue that was almost impossible to get off. [It was there when we moved in.] I ended up taking a razor blade and scraping ... not the safest cleaning method!
I've hated the electric stoves I've used but they were landlord specials so I won't hold that against electric stoves in general.
I've never lost gas service to my home. I've lost electric service many times -- twice for 5 days and once for 4 days. Thanks to my gas appliances I continued to have hot water and heat throughout the outages.
This was a very good discussion that dealt with both the technical and political aspects of gas stoves. Ben's understanding of ranges did a good job of putting the competing issues into perspective. He is right that over time gas appliances will be phased out by state and local governments, but not by the federal government. I saw that happening a couple years ago and we had a twenty five year old gas cooktop and electric over, so we replaced them with a new gas range. But we got one without digital controls hoping that would make it last longer.
If electric ranges are powered by fossil fuel based electric plants, then they aren't better for the environment than gas stoves. But if we invest a lot into wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear power generation, then electric ranges will be much better for the environment and they will be cheaper to operate. But if we don't make those power generation investments then there is no point in going from gas to electric stoves.
The other side of the coin too is hydrogen which is being discussed as adding to a natural gas mix. I am not sure all the science behind it, but its allegedly "Greener" too
Retired electrical engineer here.
Studied power engineering.
An electric oven generates 3 times the co2 as a gas oven. shocking isn't it.
If you have a gas stove and use 1 gallon of propane a week to do your cooking, then convert to an electric oven, the power company will have to burn 3 gallons of propane to produce the electricity you need to cook. Power companies operate at about a 35% thermal efficiency.
Burning a fossil fuel to create heat is almost 100% efficient. But converting that heat to electric power and 70% of heat energy in propane is thrown a away as waste heat.
This thermodynamic result was proven by the scientist Sadi Carnot about two centuries ago.
The electric grid itself has typical losses of about 9%. But the heat engine all power plants use struggle to be better that 30% efficient
So it would be very beneficial to the planet if you got rid of your electric oven and got a gas oven.
That calculation will tilt toward electric ovens if you are getting power from a nuclear power plant, or from a fossil fuel powered plant that is doing carbon capture. But carbon capture is many years in the future.
The democrats are lying to you. Are you surprised?
Kevin
I grew up with a Gas stove since that's all my mom ever used and still uses to this day. However, when I moved out, my apartment had a glass top electric stove and at that point in my life that was the first time I used an electric stove. I actually didn't mind it and quite liked it. However, when I moved in my first house shortly before I got married, the house came with an old coil top electric stove and BOY I couldn't stand that thing! Smh. Finally got rid of it as some of the coils went out and the oven was on its last leg. My wife and I replaced it with a glass top electric stove (as electric is our only option here since we don't have a gas line) and couldn't be happier. However, I honestly wouldn't mind going back to a gas stove if our next place has a gas line. Anything but a coil top. NEVER AGAIN 😑
Those coils can be replaced super easily, but yeah those cheap coil stoves aren't great.
@@seanperson2032 yeah they're just not my favorite. I hate how difficult it is to keep certain pots balanced on it. It's super annoying and inconvenient. I'm honestly surprised they still make them. But I guess it's good to have options for those who prefer them.
You should have disabilites by now right? all of that gas exposure as a child and all.
@@Garth2011 well praise God I don't.
I just bought an older (1975) home that has a gas water heater and central heat. The oven is electric but there’s a gas outlet there too, so a gas stove is going in as soon as I decide which one. The laundry has only an electric outlet, but I’m having the supply line upgraded from 3/4” to 1” so I can put in a gas dryer too.
I have cooked on electric, but don’t like it. I can control the heat on a gas stove by looking at the flame. On electric the control knobs will retain a set for awhile, but then a favored position wears out and I can’t get to that heat setting again. Gas knobs can get touchy, but I can ALWAYS get the flame to where I want it.
I don't have kids, and don't plan to. I'd like to have a gas top stove. I have gas water heater and like not running out of hot water. But every thing else is electric, which SUCKS during power outages, especially during winter storms. Breaking out a gas/ coal heated Grill ain't so fun when you are freezing and hungry.
I'm worried they are gonna ban campfires, burn pits and branch powered rocket stoves so that no one can cook or create heat during power outages. Will kerosene lamps and heaters go next? Fireplaces? Butane camp stoves?
I am being hyperbolic, however this is a practical matter if survival to a lot of people.
Induction stove tops are awesome as are new electric ovens with air fry and more features. I wanted gas but it was not an option for me. I am very pleased with my new electric appliances from Frigidaire bought at Lowe"s.
hi which model?
I tell the EXACT same thing to my customers: the turnover of hardware is the REAL environmental issue.
When you consider that newer appliances MAYBE last 7 years, versus the 30-ish years that was the norm, that's 3-4x the number of parts/units that need to be manufactured, shipped/delivered, and inevitably melted down and recycled(assuming that even happens). That's a HUGE increase in the amount of energy that has to be consumed and potentially a butt load of emissions that are generated.
IMO, if we even pretend that we are trying to preserve the environment, a major facet of that is going to be mandating manufacturers to provide better warranties for their products and, effectively, force them to produce more robust hardware.
My opinion is that they need to alter energy ratings for life cycles. So if a washer lasts 2x as long it has an adjusted impact rating that could allow for extra water or electric if that helped the situation out. An appliance that lasts twice as long but uses 10%-15% more energy would be more environment friendly not less
@@bensappliancesandjunk absolutely. As you alluded to in the video, this would mean a lot for washers.
BUT, I'm concerned with hardware in general. I'm also an appliance tech and my experience is largely with home appliances, but even things like doorknobs and castors don't last very long anymore.
Basic hardware isn't necessarily going to be affected by energy/water allowances.
In Canada, they hide the quarter-turn valve behind the stove. The whole system is relying on the internal valve control for sealing. In most Asian countries there is an obligation to have at least two quick-access shut-down valves for the consumers.
I have cooked on coils, currently a glass top and for a short time, gas, though I DO have a butane burner for those times when I cook with my wok and what not.
I have not cooked on induction, and I wonder with most of them having electronic touch controls those being a failure point, and someone I think yesterday brought up a potential hazard with induction, and that is if you have metal rods/pins, devices like a pace maker or insulin pump, they are likely to go awry around a running induction do to the magnetic energy they give off. So there is that to consider.
I don't mind glass tops, they can be quite decent, and the last electric coil was a basic 24" Hotpoint stove, bought new in 2015 so do not have the center switch to reduce boilovers/grease fires. I had once, let a hot pot get too hot before adding butter, Poof! up in flames, but I was able to quickly put it out and set it on the cold concrete of my balcony to cool. The pot ended up lasting several years after that and in 2021, I think I had to replace finally.
The house I live in currently came with a glass top and it is more efficient in terms of getting hot, heats up quicker, but still slower to cool down, but just slide the pot off the burner helps with that, and then put it back onto the burner when it's cooled off.
I still like cooking with gas as it is better in many ways, and best for wok cooking, unless they come up with an induction/infrared glasstop that can do woks better than what is available now.
I would not be too surprised if the push back also forces states that are contemplating it to rethink this stance. Anyway, I like gas, but glass tops are the good alternative and ultimately, the cost of cooking on electric can be a problem, not just for the up front costs to rewire, but to go induction and have problems with stoves that cost a grand or so and as you say, don't last as long as those that are much more expensive. My glasstop is from 2009, a basic GE that is still going strong and at the moment, shows no signs of crapping out. I have not had glass tops crack, but do have a small hairline crack on mine, but it's not over a burner and was caused by the salt cellar falling onto it (fortunately the cellar didn't break). I think many do smack things down kind of on the hard side, especially cast iron pans without taking into account that a heavy pan slammed down can break the glass surface, which is replaceable itself, as are the individual elements on many stoves, even cook tops.
But the big elephant is the power grid, can it handle all the new electric heat pumps, furnaces etc as gas gets banned all over, not just for stoves? The fact that none of it is usable when the power is out, unless you have backup power in the form of solar or a generator.
Infrastructure. I think what’s driving this issue is the cost to the utilities to replace old infrastructure. Digging up and replacing miles and miles of old gas line, well the cost would be astronomical. I live in a 98 year old house and 15 years ago we had to have our gas pipe from the main to our house replaced the gas company said it was old and getting to thin and was prone to leaking and needed to be replaced. The crew that came out and did the job said the main line was in no better shape. That was 15 years ago and thankfully there have been no issues but, I have always kind of wonder how much longer will the gas main last. Is it really even an issue. In our older neighborhood the city did replace the main sewer and water lines but I haven’t heard anything about the gas main. Not long ago we had a wolf stove installed and it’s not going anywhere and yes we live in the once great state of California. Until we retire that is.
Interesting point about the gas lines. That would be a very interesting wrinkle to the issue. Cost to dig up pipes would be unfathomable for sure.
My energy company is replacing all lines currently. It's not an issue or very expensive.
They have even replaced the lines running to homes.
I grew up in a house with early 1970s gas (propane) range and wall oven (Caloric brand, with the pilot lights, and in harvest gold.) It definitely was nice to use and meant being able to cook during the not exactly infrequent power outages that happened then in rural Pennsylvania. I began to like it less after renting a post-2000 built house in Houston with a gas stove, in part because of the venting issue meaning that even with the hood fan running (and it was ducted outside) it dumped a lot of heat into the living space, and in part because heat control sucked on that one - turning the knobs did nothing for most of the travel with all of the flow adjustment happening over discontinuous and short areas of travel. Add the tightwad landlord issue of not wanting to spend money to fix things that aren't required by code or threaten damage to the building if unchecked... I say that not to be unnecessarily negative but from dealing with it, e.g. one who refused to fix the broken (seized due to corrosion) ice dispenser flap solenoid in a GE Artica fridge/freezer, declaring "you can just reach into the bin to get ice" and on whom I've had to invoke "that's not up to code" (smoke detectors over a decade beyond their service life and A 220v UF cable to a detached structure laying atop the ground.)
I rented apartment for years building built in 1950. All of the stoves in this 8 unit apartment are O'Keefe & Merritt each apartment a different model stove. I learned to turn the Pilot gas off and light the stove are the hand igniter to save on the utility bill.
I have a GE coil top range with the thermostats. I haven't found them to be an issue really. It seems to boil water fine. Just throwing this out there for others looking for a coil top stove.
My ceramic-top electric boils a large pot of water WAY faster than any gas stove ever could.
I think it's worth noting that it is easy and cheap to get reliable counter-top induction burners, even with unique characteristics like being shaped for a wok. It's a good compromise for many situations!
Have two. One I keep on the counter to produce steam as the desert is so dry. Saved me when I had Covid ~ couldn’t catch my breath coughing and the steam relaxed the muscles and I could breath!
I grew up on coil top and later glass top electric. The glass top’s largest burner was worthless. So we basically had a 1 burner stove. I used a gas stove for the first time in my teens at a family’s new home and I LOVED it. So much so, in my own new home I swapped out the (old, gross) electric stove, paid to get extra pipe to my range area, and got a gas stove. So happy with it. Gas is better than electric for using vintage cast iron too. My parents glass top would turn my Griswold into a spinner, no matter how careful and slow I was
Gas always makes for some fun cooking. Sometimes its not needed, but man, having one nice burner that you can run a wok with is always fun.
Yeah you have to make sure the glass-top have multiple coils per «burner» under the glass. Budget glass-tops usually equal less coils.
@@kehax I certainly think they cheaped out on the larger burner. The medium front burner gets plenty hot and the rear 2 do well too for back burners. The big one is just there to take up space. You could grow a leg back faster than it could boil a pot of water lol
@@classicrockonly My lagre burner has nine coils and turn my steaks to charcoal if I look away for a few seconds!
I grew up on electric stoves my whole life. My current glass top stove has lasted me 20 years and have had zero problems. It heats up very fast, boils water without a lid etc. I really don't understand what's so special about gas stoves. What do they do that so much better than what I have? 🤷
Public was outraged when we wanted to ban cigarettes and it was fought for years. Now everyone would be outraged if you allowed smoking. This will go the same way
The government shouldn’t have a say in what’s good for us, period. Let individuals and individual establishments decide what is allowed and what isn’t.
I live in the Midwest USA (Chicago NW suburb), we have natural gas, electricity and Lake Michigan water. The home (tract home, not custom) was built new in 2003, we are the first owners and still live in this ranch. It was setup for natural gas kitchen cooking stove, outdoor gas grill, water heater, and 80% natural gas furnace. In 2008 I purchased an electric flat cooktop, double oven electric kitchen stove. Because I am handy, I ran a 50amp line to the kitchen. It was about a 25’ run. Totally cost was about $50. This is a plug-in setup. I bought a cord for the stove and put the required outlet in a metal box, this was a total metal conduit installation. Over the years I have replaced a range element and a stove top element. I had tried to replace a top oven bulb, but that was not successful (halogen bulb fused to socket, could not be successfully removed, so now no light). The original water heater and furnace/air conditioning (electric) are still in operation and working with no problems. The outdoor gas grill is 15’ behind our home on a 20 year old deck and is still in good working order, it’s also 20 years old, as is the deck (8…8’ top planks have recently been replaced, but otherwise the structure is sound). Since we changed to the electric, we are more than satisfied. The double oven is the best feature. With my 93 year old mom with us, it’s the best and safest feature in the kitchen. Jim
PS: My mom lived in Charlotte,NC and her home was built in 1985 (new tract home). The home had an electric kitchen stove (not flat top) and an electric dryer and electric a/c. The furnace and water heater were natural gas. We asked the builder to run a natural gas line for dryer, and he did (this was not common in this area). Pointing this out just to show that different areas had different preferences. In our area (Chicago) electric dryers were just rare, not used.😊
I hope they do and that we all switch to induction as so as is practical for anyone to do. The same goes for heat pumps for heating.
Well said. Really appreciate it
Glad you liked it!
Seems this is something that the consumer should decide for themselves. Governments have a terrible track record when it comes to "fixing" things. Remember the Food Pyramid? Seems that just made most of us fat from that "balanced" diet.
As a kid we heated the old drafty farm house with standalone gas heaters like Dearborn. Since the farm house was drafty, we had plenty of venting and we never suffered any ill effects from using those heaters. I currently live in 60+ year old house and heat it with a gas wall heater and cook on a gas stove. Not only is this a cheaper way of heating and cooking, the heat from the gas just feels more comfortable. We replaced all of the gas lines from the meter and under the house about 5 to 6 years ago.
When we first moved into this house, the heating and cooking was all electric. Our electric bills were 2 to 3 times that of natural gas. And we just enjoy the flavor of the food that is cooked using gas over that of an electric stove.
I also do not like the idea of consolidating all energy sources to just electric which is not always reliable. At the present there is not a sufficient electrical grid to provide electricity for all of the energy needs of this country. Throw in the push to make everybody drive electric cars and you end up with a grid with rolling blackouts and people being miserable. Nope, those in the government are the last people who should decide anything. This climate alarmism is IMO just another means of control over people on this planet. The climate on this planet has always been changing and it is extreme arrogance for "man" to decide they can control the climate. They can't. I am more concerned about the toxic chemicals that end up in our drinking water and food supplies.
Absolutely..I don't know how these so called environmentalists can justify talking about the drinking water at old gas station sites being bad when people are drinking from water bottles with hormone disrupting chemicals and supplies doused with fluoride, a neurotoxin. I'm sick of the whole bunch of them.
@Ron Helton
I absolutely LOVE how you see things. A perfectly sensible and realistic view is a rarity these days- all my best to you!
Remember that time the government forced down emissions laws into cars and we went from having terrible cars like the 1970 ford lineup to the modern amazingly fuel efficient and hugely powerful cars of today? Or what about that time the government ruined the world by banning poison in our foods in the 20’s. And how bout them cucks at osha keeping me from forcing my employees to not carry unsafe loads by hand on a straight ladder over 30 ft. Truly no problem has ever been competently handled. Have fun buying crypto and my bridge in africa!
@@sunnohh The government makes NOTHING! By the time the government decides that they should force some business to do something, those businesses have already identified the problem and work towards correcting it. The marketplace is what should drive innovation and technology, not the morons at the government. OSHA doesn't make any workplace safer. With all of the "safety rules" in place, you still have injuries and death. When I was in management, I made sure that our employees were properly trained to prevent accidents. We had zero lost time accidents and zero deaths while I was there. You buy crypto, it's a sham! Good luck with your bridge in Africa, don't let those mosquitoes get ya!
@@sunnohh yeah. I remember the whole thing. I'll take the 1970 Ford lineup over the overweight plasticy planned obsolescence emissions controlled connected conveyances made today. The 1973 fuel crunch forced automakers to come up with smaller, more efficient vehicles, not the 70 "Clean Air" act. My bet is that manufacturing a 2023 vehicle will take a lot more energy input than it will save over the course of its life. Same thing applies to those so called efficient stoves. Environmental crap is just that. Crap. As for OSHA, that's a typical lib way of diversion. Address the issue at hand. The gaslighting isn't working. If we ban gas stoves, ban gaslighting as well. Real Americans have had a belly full of it.
Another great post! Please keep it up. Thanks
The legal question will be similar to that of those whose only heat source is wood. In that realm, most places issue an exception on bans for hardship cases, but may require you to use a catalyzing stove versus open-burning. Federal regulations require that much on newly-built woodstoves. So something similar will probably happen here- you can probably keep your old stove if it's all you have or can afford, but new gas stoves will no longer be built. Most off-grid homes, travel trailers, and campers do not have adequate electrical reserves on hand and therefore almost have to use gas, so I don't see them being affected nor do I see any restrictions possible on camp or hiking stoves because there's really no viable alternative to gas there.
I prefer gas for stove-top cooking but electric ovens seen to be easier to regulate and thus bake with. YMMV
Love your videos! As a HVAC technician, I was never a huge fan of gas stoves without an exterior vent, but I do hope that there is assistance to help people swap
So far there is, but like all things, you never know how it'll go.
I appreciate HVAC techs. I've had two heat pumps installed recently. Saving a gob on heating bills right now due to how poorly the ductwork was run originally, and the pumps were the same price as a gas furnace+new ductwork
NYC: "we're gonna ban gas stoves" meanwhile last time I was there, I saw a ton of buildings with fuel oil tank hookups........
What about parts for my 1926 Glenwood S14? When do you think it will wear out? It’s approaching 97 years old and I’m worried it will break.
Well, not really.
My aunt just purchased a combination range and oven, but the range is propane and the oven is electric. I like the versatility but we will see how that one holds up over time.
That to me is the perfect combo, gas burners and electric oven
It is insane that there are very little codes enforcing the venting of gas stoves.
What about White Castle!? Singlehandedly responsible for half the methane in the atmosphere; no lie! 😂
I've said for years, if you ingest a fair amount of White Castle's you don't need fiber!
Natural gas is cheap and plentiful, and not prone to wild fluctuations in price or availability (not saying it isn't subject to such things from time to time, but overall, it is fairly stable). Electricity, on the other hand, can easily be manipulated, rationed (like the rolling blackouts in...where else?....California!), and restricted. Remember Enron's role in artificially creating shortages in California in the early 2000s? The one thing you can bet you life on is, this is not about safety or the environment or any other metric that would benefit you or me.
Doesn’t take much for gas prices to skyrocket, just ask anyone in any European country, or Japan, Korea, Australia
Here’s a radical idea, if you think that your gas stove is affecting your child’s health then switch to an electric stove
Here in the north, we use natural gas furnaces to heat our homes and I’m curious on how we would heat our homes in the winter.
Looking up The Sierra Club and who they are tells you all you need to know about who funded the so called “study”
One more point on "Gas vs Electric stove" I must go for gas. It's instant heat whereas most stove plates take a little time to heat and need the correct pots or pans on them
One catch is that induction is pretty much immediate. I have a sponsor thats gonna send me some induction stuff for videos and we'll toy around with them right quick to see how good they are
And they take time to cool down as well when you turn them down. Gas reigns supreme!
@@stwings98 until you get asthma
you only need correct pots for induction and even with gas, it takes time for the pot to heat up.
Gas heat is the slowest to boil water. Most of the heat just goes right around your pot into your kitchen.
Although I’m only moderately concerned about CO, particulates, radon, benzene, NOx, other things, I’ve always insisted on electric ranges because they are much faster and better for cooking. My present stove is 35 yo (I’ve owned here 15 years). Still works like new.
Thank you, very informative video.
Induction stovetops may have some flaws right now, but I'm expecting most of those flaws to be addressed by the 2030s. This whole thing reminds me of when LED lights first came onto the market. Sure, the early models had problems and there was valid criticism. However, it only took a few years to work out these problems. Some people, typically the older people, insisted that they would only buy incandescent bulbs. When regulations on incandescent bulbs came out, many of these same people stocked up on the bulbs and insisted that they would never buy a LED bulb. It didn't take long for the market to go the LED route and most people forget that there was even a controversy.
So yeah, at this point, some people are upset and are starting to cling to their gas stoves. In the next 5 years, induction stoves will be more reliable. At the 10 year mark, most people will be using induction stoves. Gas stoves will still be around, but they will be that weird appliance typical of a grandparent's house.
As for my personal experience. I have used both electric and gas stoves. I have heard the glowing praise people have for gas, but I honestly can't tell the difference. I use cast iron cookware for most things, so once the heat is in the iron it doesn't really matter what is making the heat. I am wanting to try induction to see if it lives up to the hype.
I think these are very good points. I definitely wasn't on the "Hate LED" train, but you're right in that the tech maturated over a few years' timespan that allowed them to really come into their own.
I'm just glad cast iron will work on an induction lol
Excellent point about the transition to LEDs. I'll have to use that one on people freaking out about the transition from gas to electric vehicles. I'll ask " do you have any LED bulbs in your house? " Or did you also freak out about the new LEDs back in the day? " 👍
@@bullwhipjesus
That argument can't be used in regards to battery cars...battery cars are a little step backwards to conventional cars in quite a few ways.
Battery capacities diminish over time...fuel engines don't
Battery cars will always take too long to charge...especially to 100%...fuel cars take a few minutes to 100% no matter how old or what fuelling station is used.
Battery cars are very heavy...fuel cars aren't in comparison (this affects tyres, brake and suspension wear, road wear and crash velocity
Towing basically halves range...fuel cars still have a big range when towing
Cold temps affect batteries...cold insignificantly affects fuel cars
Battery cars don't actually have great range because it's recommended to charge only to 80% and not let it go below 20% before recharging....fuel cars can be filled full or how ever much you want.
Battery cars are not better for the environment, only local air quality where it's driven, and the manufacturing process is still very dirty.
Battery cars cost way too much and have a low used sale price because they are more likely to need battery replacement, which will cost too much for the age and price of it used...a fuel car can be repaired very cheaply as parts are just basic moulded and machined metal and plastics.
@@bullwhipjesus my biggest problems with electric cars are the slaves mining the cobalt and lithium but let's not talk about that.
@@coletrain3333
That's bad too, and even though I'm not yet sold on battery cars (because for me it will always be a used car and we all know what happens to old batteries) the refining of oil to make fuel I beleive uses cobalt or lithium or both...that said until battery power density (power capacity to weight) and even faster charging to full 100% (so the actual full range can be used) is sorted and when buying a 10 or 15 year old used battery car becomes actually worth it (doesn't need and expensive battery replacement) I may think about it.
I liked you shelf system in the background, what is that product?
Its a few sets of these: amzn.to/40rwpTm
I have these @ home for the kids and they are AMAZING. Very good for the price, I think. I chained 3 sets together for what I have in the background + LEDs
@@bensappliancesandjunk Your a good man for replying. Thank you so much and bless you.
I know this has nothing to do with this video, but I looked up that blue book in the back. It sounds amazing, but also something that requires a ton of work to thoroughly make the most of.
I like to see a flame below the pan. Probably every restaurant in the world does too. So will gas Barbecues be outlawed too? Will we be forced to go to charcoal? What about kerosene or oil heaters for a garage? If I couldn't buy oil anymore for my furnace (which I can't afford this year anyway) and was forced to go to heat pumps I'd probably have to have a new subpanel put in to power them. All of the politicians who make these edicts obviously have a lot more money than I do.
W.E.F.
Restaurants don't care about the flame. Some already are going induction and that drastically reduces the heat in the kitchen. You know, because around 60 percent of that flame goes right out the vent hood.
Right now the US is giving everyone 30% credits on your HP install, with no dollar limit. And credits for upgrading your electrical panel.
If you don't like HP you are better off with wood heat anyhow.
Use a rangehood that vents outside, there are many on the market that just vent to the ceiling
yes, also known as a ducted vent hood.
Well, damn. My room growing up was about 10 feet from the gas stove in the house. I wonder if that is why I have asthma. lol
Thank you for the video. I like the books on your shelves.
Glad you like them!
I prefer my glass top oven as it's easier to clean and works just fine, but i also have a gas grill for those cooking needs. I just hope this doesn't expand to grills as that would cause a meltdown at our house.
Thats kind of my plan probably when we move. Electric/Induction stove inside, gas flat top outside. I haven't seen any mention of propane or butane, or anything like that so far in my research.
You know they're going to move the goalposts eventually.
Of course it will - they don't want any open flames, be they outdoors, indoors or within internal combustion engines. Didn't you hear Al Gore tell the world the last legislation passed was essentially a $356 billion dollare climate bill? Just wait for what's around the next corner.
@@bensappliancesandjunk Ben the Eccos want to ban Nat Gas production just like Coal and Oil. PERIOD. Thus NO Propane or Butane.
I've used all 4 types of stop tops and much prefer gas. Not only for ease of use, but because of overall cost and it can be used during power outages.
That lower cost is going to come back later in the form of higher cooling bills for everyone. Contrary to popular belief, there is no such thing as a free lunch. You will pay for it eventually. Just ask the people in India.
Interesting book covers in the background. Any recommendations for those?
Harmony of the Gospels is always great. I am currently reading "The Doctrine of Good Works" by Caleb Friedman. Somewhat dry, but pretty good.
@@bensappliancesandjunk I will see if the library has them. Thanks. Also, I noticed with my 15 year old Frigidaire amazing gas oven that the broiler look works fantastic and goes up to 500°, however, only reaches 325 max for the baking. I am guessing this is an igniter problem but I could be wrong.
I'm 64 and I grew up in a small house that had a gas furnace, gas water heater, gas dryer and gas stove. I'm ok. My mom lived in that house for 54 years and she lived to age 90.
In my current house I have a gas furnace and gas water heater. When I bought the house, it had an electric wall oven and an electric cooktop. We recently replaced both with a new JennAir electric wall oven and a JennAir induction cooktop. (We had to get updated electric lines (50 amp for the cooktop) that cost us $2,000 to have done.) All that being said, we love the induction cooktop. It works like gas and boils water super fast.
i have used both prefer but do prefer a gas stove
Retired electrical engineer here.
Studied power engineering.
An electric oven generates 3 times the co2 as a gas oven. shocking isn't it.
If you have a gas stove and use 1 gallon of propane a week to do your cooking, then convert to an electric oven, the power company will have to burn 3 gallons of propane to produce the electricity you need to cook. Power companies operate at about a 35% thermal efficiency.
Burning a fossil fuel to create heat is almost 100% efficient. But converting that heat to electric power and 70% of heat energy in propane is thrown a away as waste heat.
This thermodynamic result was proven by the scientist Sadi Carnot about two centuries ago.
The electric grid itself has typical losses of about 9%. But the heat engine all power plants use struggle to be better that 30% efficient
So it would be very beneficial to the planet if you got rid of your electric oven and got a gas oven.
That calculation will tilt toward electric ovens if you are getting power from a nuclear power plant, or from a fossil fuel powered plant that is doing carbon capture. But carbon capture is many years in the future.
The democrats are lying to you. Are you surprised?
Kevin
I don't recall the old Maytag repairman giving political commentary. I love my GAS appliances. I have a gas stove, water heater, heater but I can't find a gas refrigerator. What business is it of some wokester Davos types what kind of appliances I have? Oh the same ones who think it's their business whether I wear a seat belt or not.
I used to love gas but I have learned the NoX and general emissions will kill you and it doesn’t even cook better. If you need to cool your burner down fast just move to a cooler burner or get induction.
Strange -- I'm not dead yet!
At 20:05 Ben says "...side effect of coil top stoves being regulated is that you can no longer boil a pot of water without a lid on. You have to use a lid on your cookware to make sure water boils". How would you cook PASTA if you need to keep the lid on?
You got me in the first minute with "the Biden Administration " 🤣
That comment wasn't directed at you personally, I enjoy your channel. Keep up the great work. 👍🏾
I grew up and learned to cook on gas, but chose induction for my own place. I have no regerets, it works at least as well as gas but without the whole burning fuel indoors thing.
Retired electrical engineer here.
Studied power engineering.
An electric oven generates 3 times the co2 as a gas oven. shocking isn't it.
If you have a gas stove and use 1 gallon of propane a week to do your cooking, then convert to an electric oven, the power company will have to burn 3 gallons of propane to produce the electricity you need to cook. Power companies operate at about a 35% thermal efficiency.
Burning a fossil fuel to create heat is almost 100% efficient. But converting that heat to electric power and 70% of heat energy in propane is thrown a away as waste heat.
This thermodynamic result was proven by the scientist Sadi Carnot about two centuries ago.
The electric grid itself has typical losses of about 9%. But the heat engine all power plants use struggle to be better that 30% efficient
So it would be very beneficial to the planet if you got rid of your electric oven and got a gas oven.
That calculation will tilt toward electric ovens if you are getting power from a nuclear power plant, or from a fossil fuel powered plant that is doing carbon capture. But carbon capture is many years in the future.
The democrats are lying to you. Are you surprised?
Kevin
Way back when Hurricane Andrew roared through South Florida and we lost electricity in my neighborhood for three weeks, I was glad I had a gas water heater and gas stove.
Here in Norway we only use electric and have never had gas in our houses. I find it very interesting that you weigh in that electric stoves break more easily, since electric stoves are considered an item that never breaks here. People just replace them when they turn ugly because of heavy usage or become less modern. I have never encountered a broken stove in my life and only heard of shattered glass-tops because someone dropped something heavy on it 😂
Norway has a much lower standard of living than the US. You have been conditioned to accept substandard everything, and you have adapted your behaviors accordingly. Here, we expect our appliances to be able to withstand heavy use and last almost forever, but in the past few years, much of our machinery and equipment has become cheap and flimsy, aka, more European. American liberals think it's so cool to be more European because they think it's more progressive, but the rest of know that it's really just a crappy way to live.
Norway has a higher per capita income than the US.... its standard of living is higher than the US, not lower.
@@susangarland6869 wow , Susan, you are wound up like a spring ! Shame you have been fed a diet of misinformation , ignorance and scuttlebutt. Obviously you have been told that the USA is the greatest country on earth ? Well gotta tell you dear, it’s way down the list in most respects
Are all of your homes heated with electricity too?
@@zepar221 in Australia almost all homes are heated with electricity, reverse cycle Airconditioning heats efficiently down to -15’c outside temperature, colder than that booster elements are used
To covnert homes to handle all electric, furnaces/heaters, AC, water hesters, electric ranges, dryers, and EVs, plus appliances and electronic things, could require at least 400 amp service with multiple 240v outlets. Solar panels and betteries are not practical for over 200 amps, that's a 48kw load! Just think how electric companies that use dams, nuclear, or generators will be unable tp supply such demands.
Thank you for your awesome videos sir
Nice Glenn Beck References! (The “I lost my stove in a boating accident” statements you made at the beginning and at the end). 😆
I never used a gas stove until I moved into an 100 year old apartment. Everything about that apartment sucked except for the gas stove. The stove was a cheap, terrible model that would only light 1/4 of the burners if the oven was on, etc. But cooking on that stove was so much better than on an electric stove, and when I buy my own house I want a gas stove just because the ability to turn down the burner and the food react immediately to the change, instead of turning off the burner and waiting 5 minutes to see any change, is just so much nicer to cook with.