Amazing quote from Metropolitan Anthony that I read this afternoon in the course of my studies: "The holiness of the Church must find its place in the world in an act of crucified love, in an active and living presence. But essentially it is the holiness, the Presence of God that we should manifest in the world. This is our vocation, this is what we are. if we are not this, we are outside the mystery that we pretend to express"
I am a proud reformed evangelical. I love my faith and believe the bible. I have also just resigned our membership of the CofE. It's a disgrace, and I want no part of it!
Being in the charismatic/prophetic movement for over 40 years I am experiencing much of what you are expressing….. please do not give up…. It helps us all process.
I think we often don't take into account how much the CofE is manipulated and used as a state mouthpiece. As usual this was all about timing. The publication of the report into the abuse of Smyth was kicked down the road for six years, so that Welby could get his wish to perform King Charle's coronation. He won't resign over this horrendous situation. Instead the establishment will give him a Knighthood in the New Years honours list for his service rendered to the state. Shortly after (and sold to the public as his own choice,) he will step down. Thus burying the abuse scandal with his departure. The next Archbishop of Canterbury will be seen as a new broom, sweeping clean, and the whole thing will be forgotten because it didn't happen on their watch.
As far as I know, Justin Welby is the only person out of the very many named in the Makin report who has shown any kind of regret in public since its publication or taken any kind of responsibility for his actions. I realise that you don't feel this to be sufficient, and I am very aware that much more could and should have been done. Nevertheless, he has made it clear that he would have done things differently given a second chance and has pointed out the vast positive changes in Safeguarding policy and procedures that have been introduced since the beginning of his tenure as Archbishop. Despite not being the perpetrator of these crimes, nor part of the group of men who covered the appalling abuse up, he continues to be consistently publicly accused of being a liar, of being cynical, of being unbiblical, basically of being an evil man. Much of the harmful culture which inhabits parts of the Church of England and parts of the Evangelical church (is everything they stand for and do evil? Surely not!) predates Welby by decades. Changing an institution's culture requires huge motivation, commitment, hard work and, unfortunately for impatient people like me, time. I'm not sure what anyone expects him to do beyond what he has been trying to do since he began, which is to change the way the C of E thinks and acts with regards to a whole host of issues, both present and past. Anyone acquainted with the complex workings of the C of E must recognise that Welby actually has relatively little power. He does not have power to act outside of the law, for example - he is bound by due process. He is not at the top of the organisation like a Field Marshall might be in the army. As for communication, my observation has been that whenever he has made comments. whether to the press via interview or via his own press releases, he has been condemned, whatever the topic - by Evangelicals, by Liberals, by progressives, by traditionalists, by believers, by agnostics, by atheists, by the Left and by the RIght. Currently the rhetoric is, "He must repent!" and "He must resign!". Such is the cry of fellow members of the Church who at the same time refuse to take any responsibility themselves for the culture of the Church. This all reeks of specks and planks. Might the best place for cultural change to begin not be at grass roots level? What is very sad about all this, and how easy it is to be distracted from it, is the ongoing pain and suffering experienced by those who have been abused. Preventing further pain must rightly be our focus. But this is not just the Archbishop's responsibility, it is also mine.
Modern church and The Kingdom of God are 2 separate but overlapping things. It sounds like you are trying to work that out. You're not the only one. You're not alone
I am not on the same theological page as yourself Sam, but I love your videos because from the first, I was reminded of John 1:47. "Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!" Honesty, sincerity and humility are so precious. Every blessing and keep up the good work!
I appreciated your talks. You said it in a way that wasnt judgemental. I think most christians dont want to say it because they are "trying" to be good christians... so you have pushed growth to consider what a good christian is, and questions oneself. The anglican church here has a beer club. They must be so bored .Gods way is not boring .
"Woe onto you Pharisees , hypocrites all ! for you are whitened sepulchres ; all clean and fair without , but within full of dead men's bones and all corruption . You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel !" - Our Lord Jesus Christ !
I don't think he is a priest frankly. His treatment of honest clergy who were anti-woke is of concern. Particular the vicar who opposed trans-indoctrination of pre-school children, IIRD as young as three. Even many leftists agree that is too young for trans. This vicar was reported as a terrorist, and cancelled without mercy for daring to challenge this narrative. Years down the line everyone has cleared him except the Church of England who have doubled down and still will not let him return to the ministry.. Mr Welby needs to repent. I seriously doubt he is a valid Christian, though I have not the right to say so for sure, only Jesus can do that. But Jesus did say this: Luke 17:2 "It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble."
I was never IN ! I'm an evangelical and moderate charismatic Christian..and a Church of Scotland Minister... Would I ever have applied for a known evangelical Church in my country ? Nope ! Why not ? Take a guess....
If Mike Pilivachi, Jonathan Fletcher or John Smythe had not been abusive, but instead married someone of the same sex their ministry would be immediately over and they would have been completely shunned. Why is it that Justin Welby and other bishops see same sex marriage as a worse sin than sexual abuse of young adults and children?
Tongues of Flame “Merging structural simplicity with emotional complexity, Tim Parks has written a novel of extraordinary balance and grace.” JOHN WALSH, BOOK AND BOOKMEN Finchley, North London, 1968. A fifteen-year-old caught up in a flurry of charismatic religious fervour, complete with speaking in tongues, prophesies, “words of wisdom” and ultimately exorcism. This is the most autobiographical of my novels. With six typescripts already rejected, I relaxed I suppose, and in a state of savage hilarity wrote about adolescent times, never imagining the thing would actually get published. That was my first year in Italy, I must have been 25. The thing was written by hand in no more than four weeks in a gloomy, freezing cold room with Madonnas and sacred hearts on the wall and one huge painting of a woman holding a candle by a tomb. Far cry from my protestant background. But I remember this was the first time I had that sensation, no doubt illusory, of not being able to put a foot wrong. Though entirely unplanned, the thing came out without a single false start. Rejected by any number of publishers, it finally made it when an old friend sent a copy to the now defunct Sinclair Prize for unpublished manuscripts. Fay Weldon and Marina Warner picked it out. I take this belated occasion to thank them.
I don't know the author of the book, Tim Parks, "Tongues of Flame", but it is an excellent read for those who are getting wise to the charismatic movement. The "Soul Survivor" meetings of the late 1960's
Amazing quote from Metropolitan Anthony that I read this afternoon in the course of my studies: "The holiness of the Church must find its place in the world in an act of crucified love, in an active and living presence. But essentially it is the holiness, the Presence of God that we should manifest in the world. This is our vocation, this is what we are. if we are not this, we are outside the mystery that we pretend to express"
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Don’t stop!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I am a proud reformed evangelical. I love my faith and believe the bible. I have also just resigned our membership of the CofE. It's a disgrace, and I want no part of it!
How do you resign your membership? Interesting to know, thank you.
Being in the charismatic/prophetic movement for over 40 years I am experiencing much of what you are expressing….. please do not give up…. It helps us all process.
thanks for your encouragement - and Redhill - you're v close where I filmed this in Outwood!
I think we often don't take into account how much the CofE is manipulated and used as a state mouthpiece. As usual this was all about timing. The publication of the report into the abuse of Smyth was kicked down the road for six years, so that Welby could get his wish to perform King Charle's coronation. He won't resign over this horrendous situation. Instead the establishment will give him a Knighthood in the New Years honours list for his service rendered to the state. Shortly after (and sold to the public as his own choice,) he will step down. Thus burying the abuse scandal with his departure. The next Archbishop of Canterbury will be seen as a new broom, sweeping clean, and the whole thing will be forgotten because it didn't happen on their watch.
I think we saw that during the coronation. Thanks for commenting - have a great evening.
Resonating with me. Thanks for the work you have done so far. And looking forward to journeying with you. Cheers
Thank you ✌️
Welby must resign now. He is unfit to be the Archbishop of the CofE. He has been taken over by the dark side IMO.
I feel God is guiding you through this difficult time I'm encouraged by your truthful God given words .🙏
Thank you Mark ✌
As far as I know, Justin Welby is the only person out of the very many named in the Makin report who has shown any kind of regret in public since its publication or taken any kind of responsibility for his actions. I realise that you don't feel this to be sufficient, and I am very aware that much more could and should have been done. Nevertheless, he has made it clear that he would have done things differently given a second chance and has pointed out the vast positive changes in Safeguarding policy and procedures that have been introduced since the beginning of his tenure as Archbishop. Despite not being the perpetrator of these crimes, nor part of the group of men who covered the appalling abuse up, he continues to be consistently publicly accused of being a liar, of being cynical, of being unbiblical, basically of being an evil man. Much of the harmful culture which inhabits parts of the Church of England and parts of the Evangelical church (is everything they stand for and do evil? Surely not!) predates Welby by decades. Changing an institution's culture requires huge motivation, commitment, hard work and, unfortunately for impatient people like me, time. I'm not sure what anyone expects him to do beyond what he has been trying to do since he began, which is to change the way the C of E thinks and acts with regards to a whole host of issues, both present and past. Anyone acquainted with the complex workings of the C of E must recognise that Welby actually has relatively little power. He does not have power to act outside of the law, for example - he is bound by due process. He is not at the top of the organisation like a Field Marshall might be in the army. As for communication, my observation has been that whenever he has made comments. whether to the press via interview or via his own press releases, he has been condemned, whatever the topic - by Evangelicals, by Liberals, by progressives, by traditionalists, by believers, by agnostics, by atheists, by the Left and by the RIght. Currently the rhetoric is, "He must repent!" and "He must resign!". Such is the cry of fellow members of the Church who at the same time refuse to take any responsibility themselves for the culture of the Church. This all reeks of specks and planks. Might the best place for cultural change to begin not be at grass roots level?
What is very sad about all this, and how easy it is to be distracted from it, is the ongoing pain and suffering experienced by those who have been abused. Preventing further pain must rightly be our focus. But this is not just the Archbishop's responsibility, it is also mine.
Modern church and The Kingdom of God are 2 separate but overlapping things. It sounds like you are trying to work that out. You're not the only one. You're not alone
Thanks
I am not on the same theological page as yourself Sam, but I love your videos because from the first, I was reminded of John 1:47. "Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!" Honesty, sincerity and humility are so precious. Every blessing and keep up the good work!
I appreciated your talks. You said it in a way that wasnt judgemental. I think most christians dont want to say it because they are "trying" to be good christians... so you have pushed growth to consider what a good christian is, and questions oneself. The anglican church here has a beer club. They must be so bored .Gods way is not boring .
"Woe onto you Pharisees , hypocrites all ! for you are whitened sepulchres ; all clean and fair without , but within full of dead men's bones and all corruption . You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel !" - Our Lord Jesus Christ !
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I don't think he is a priest frankly. His treatment of honest clergy who were anti-woke is of concern. Particular the vicar who opposed trans-indoctrination of pre-school children, IIRD as young as three. Even many leftists agree that is too young for trans. This vicar was reported as a terrorist, and cancelled without mercy for daring to challenge this narrative. Years down the line everyone has cleared him except the Church of England who have doubled down and still will not let him return to the ministry..
Mr Welby needs to repent. I seriously doubt he is a valid Christian, though I have not the right to say so for sure, only Jesus can do that. But Jesus did say this: Luke 17:2
"It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble."
Welbys a cold fish like thing.
I was never IN ! I'm an evangelical and moderate charismatic Christian..and a Church of Scotland Minister...
Would I ever have applied for a known evangelical Church in my country ? Nope ! Why not ? Take a guess....
You're Scottish?....
Seriously though - thank you - have a great evening.
No, Sam....I'm a woman...so no chance...same in all the denominations.@@SamHowson
@@lesleypatoncox1569 Sorry - humour never works on here.
Oh Lord ! Sorry...I missed it ! Yes, good one !
Come home to Rome
Very cryptic!
If Mike Pilivachi, Jonathan Fletcher or John Smythe had not been abusive, but instead married someone of the same sex their ministry would be immediately over and they would have been completely shunned.
Why is it that Justin Welby and other bishops see same sex marriage as a worse sin than sexual abuse of young adults and children?
This is just another "Nothing Burger" Blah Blah Blah.
he needs to think of his audience.
Tongues of Flame
“Merging structural simplicity with emotional complexity, Tim Parks has written a novel of extraordinary balance and grace.”
JOHN WALSH, BOOK AND BOOKMEN
Finchley, North London, 1968. A fifteen-year-old caught up in a flurry of charismatic religious fervour, complete with speaking in tongues, prophesies, “words of wisdom” and ultimately exorcism. This is the most autobiographical of my novels. With six typescripts already rejected, I relaxed I suppose, and in a state of savage hilarity wrote about adolescent times, never imagining the thing would actually get published. That was my first year in Italy, I must have been 25. The thing was written by hand in no more than four weeks in a gloomy, freezing cold room with Madonnas and sacred hearts on the wall and one huge painting of a woman holding a candle by a tomb. Far cry from my protestant background. But I remember this was the first time I had that sensation, no doubt illusory, of not being able to put a foot wrong. Though entirely unplanned, the thing came out without a single false start. Rejected by any number of publishers, it finally made it when an old friend sent a copy to the now defunct Sinclair Prize for unpublished manuscripts. Fay Weldon and Marina Warner picked it out. I take this belated occasion to thank them.
I don't know the author of the book, Tim Parks, "Tongues of Flame", but it is an excellent read for those who are getting wise to the charismatic movement. The "Soul Survivor" meetings of the late 1960's