This is my first time seeing your videos. Thank you so much for everything you’ve done for this great community. I can’t wait to make you my new guru 🔥🙏
Joe you're a beautiful thing, you really go out your way to help people like us who DESPERATELY NEED IT... you explain it in such a clear, humorous way which is in my book, the best way to learn something. Thank you so much Joe Gilder :D!!
Great tutorial again Joe. I've been building my effects chain for my Livestream project, with the various plug-ins in my Studio One 6 DAW. I started the FX channel with compressor then EQ, and then EQ to compressor. A manual A B thing. Because I have to do surgery on a few frequencies, starting with an EQ was the better choice. Then the serial compression afterwards sounds better as well.
You are an eye opener in producing for me. Thank you. ❤ I was doing fl but wanted something new, if not pro logix then something close to it and end up in studio one, and I love it. 🧡
I just want to say thank you so much for your content! I set up a home studio about 8 months ago nd I just been teaching myself everything (not proffessional by any means... "YET") but man I've made so much dam progress since I started watching your content, it has helped me so much just wanted to share my appreciation. Also I will update this thread later after trying out the EQ + Comp in that order and how it works for me💯
On the tone side, I was just playing with this last night. What I found also is that the old saying that EQ-COMP "softens" and rounds the sound some while COMP-EQ shapes it retains the clarity is pretty accurate. I actually liked both given that the source material was good. But ultimately as I am running an old console, if I want to use the board's EQ, most of the time I will be running a comp in the insert before the board EQ. So if i like the boards EQ, I'm going COMP-EQ. (Unless I run channel 1 EQ into Channel 2 insert with a comp but I lose a channel). To naturally fatten a snare though, I liked EQ into COMP.
Keep in mind the EQ does effect how the compressor compresses, meaning EQ influences the compressor's tonal qualities. So, if you boost some frequency, the compressor will see and act on the louder frequencies. Likewise, of you cut another frequency, you can "hide" that frequency from the compressor. When it comes to mixing, mix to what feels right - mix for whatever the song needs. It really depends on the mood your trying to set.
Good to come back to one of your videos after the construction of my own modest "synth cabin". Love ya work, bro'. I'll leave this one with Sloan; "If it feels good do it even if you shouldn't Don't let people mess you around"
Hey Joeeee!!!!!! You never did a video about your new studio monitors!!!! Or do a STUDIO TOUR again!! Wrote in another video but heeey!!! Here I am again!! lmao. I learn so much from you!! Thank you!! Blessings from Uruguay buddy
ok , so you are the guy who sang the song listen. loved it so much that I had my friends play it for all on an online gaming session , also thank you for taking the time to share
I like you, dude. Definitely gonna check your channel. Also, you explained it super clearly, i have already seen like three videos on the same subject (this exact one) and although everybody seems to have pretty much the same advice, I like the way you present the material. Like, yeah, it`s not so complicated that it needs showing examples. So I very much enjoyed the comfy vibe of your room.
wuz Good Joe? you executed this info flawlessly.... It's good to know how to use tools in Audio, but when to use and break the rules comes from experience(Trials&Errors)...
As a producer and engineer. I’m gonna say EQ first. Just because some instruments may not need compression but mostly all need some form of eqing. I think I’ve gotten away with at least 4 songs that didn’t need compression on any instruments and it sounded lovely. But I was lucky of course because it was all written in the box electronically 😁
I've always set my tone then compress. In my first studio I had a Makie 1604 mixer & a Audio Technica 4033 mic. Pulling down the mid freq on the Makie to about 10 o'clock got rid of the harsh resonance that mic put out. Then I'd taylor my compression to the vocalist's performance. Same with my Bass Guitar. I'm a funk bassist, so my bass has to sound right then I'd compress to help my playing control the peaks.
Joe, great video as always. My personal ROT (rule of thumb) is reductive eq comes before compression, additive eq after. Get the bad stuff out before its "glued" together or add the extra (boom/fizz/whatever) after so the compression doesn't undo it. That's my logic anyway
@@alejandrogallardoyes, if there's a frq that needs to come down I think its easier pre-comp. Then compression if necessary. If after that it still needs a boost somewhere then I'd EQ again post-comp.
That’s what I was taught and it works for me but now after watching this video... What if we boost the good stuff before compression. Wouldn’t it sound better after being compressed and passed through the compressors? Thanks for sharing
Reinforcement from your previous video is always good, thanks...now, if you would have swished that paper wad into a waste basket...well, you know how cool that would’ve been!
Thanks for your work. When I saw the title of this video, I thought: a hen or an egg goes first? I just want to contribute my view... When I listen and feel compression is needed, I would use compression first. Then if the track needs some EQing I would do that. On the other hand if the track needs eq and compression is needed afterwards, I would do that. It's not like some big trancendental mom and dad sitting on a cloud somewhere decided what is going to work for you, no questions asked :-) excuse any typos by the way, I can use only one of my eyes now... Please let me know if I am WRONG... I Will delete all my "products"... 👍👍👍
What if I'm using UAD plugins going into my daw recording live effects? I use preamp/compression then eq out the negative frequencies in my daw afterwards. Is that fine?
Presonas dont know the answer to this crash issue. when moving a slider (s)(fader) up to full it crashes the use of the mouse , and you cannot stop it playing Have you any thoughts Joe to what is causing this ? as you are my studio one expert.thank you
Some people clean up the dirt before they hit record, some dont. If you dont you have to clean it after, if you do then comp first is fine. Though technically if you high passed before recording you still did eq first.
On the topic of acoustic guitars it depends with me. If it is a heavy strumming part that has a lot of energy, I am more than likely gonna comp it. If it is more intimate of a performance with less instruments involved then yeah... I won’t comp it. But I usually glue it all together with buss comp anyways so it does indeed get some comp...
that's a comment I searched for (before I write something similar). And that would have been my question actually @JoeGilder. If the material already sounds good, and you compress first, then this means that the EQ has a different purpose, and I think it's for sound shaping. If the material needs some clean-up, so you EQ first, then this EQ is for getting rid of unpleasant frequencies. But then you compress, and then you could add again the sound shaping EQ. Which is what @Franjo is saying I hope. So here we are with a solution I would use too -> EQ (cleanup if necessary) - COMP - EQ (sound design).
Hi Joe. Since youtube changed its emailing notification policy, I miss half your videos. When i got the email I used to go right to your latest vid. If you have a lot of subscriptions, some will be missed. What a pain. Can't be good for the author I wouldn't think.
Always ask yourself what is making my ears 'run away' from listening. When your ears start cringing, and shutting down then some EQ and some Comp is required. Tone first, then balance. Parallel comp for fullness. You can also cringe from tone, tuning, and arrangement. EQ can help fix those, but way better to just get them performed properly.
Here’s what I’ve learned. There’s almost always going to be some unnecessary low end on most tracks one records. Why let the compressor go to work and spend all it’s precious energy on all of those “empty calories”? Filter first, then compress. Then EQ.
So, the real question is are we throwing a compressor in a track because “you’re just supposed to” or more to the point - why are we not asking the question “why am I wanting to add a compressor in the first place” ?
There are no rules here. You need to listen to what the track needs, instead of doing the same thing blindly on every track. Sometimes you might need to control dynamics before you adjust frequencies. That's his point here.
Canyon Depths well, I guess that's just his approach. I almost always start with hi passing. I like to get rid on the mud. My room is less than ideal and I know my space and mics inside out, so I pretty much do the same thing every time. It works for me 🤷♂️
@@officialWWM depends on your source. I mean my instant comparison is an acoustic guitar. If it's tuned to standard then there is no need for sub 80hz even getting onto the recording in the first place so an e.q. cut as you record removes the need to low cut it when you mix. You could argue that a 110hz cut is bang on when you record to allow the bass room. That's the whole GIRATS thing.
Joe, Thanks for that advice. For recording alto sax in a small room at home, what are the frequencies that usually need to be reduced a bit? Thanks in advance for your response.
That would depend on the mic and room and sax youre recording. Maybe try the EQ sweep trick and see if any frequencies stick out to you. Then cut them :)
If something sounds shit and can't re-record it, Eq>Comp>Eq... Sometimes comp+comp, sometimes nothing. Usually the issue is with matetial recorded by someobe else. ☺️
COMP - TONE TOOL
EQ - FIX TOOL
IF IT'S:
Sounding Good - COMP + EQ
Sounding Bad - EQ + COMP
thanks much Joe!
from Philippines
This sums up the video perfectly
This is my first time seeing your videos. Thank you so much for everything you’ve done for this great community. I can’t wait to make you my new guru 🔥🙏
hey joe - the part about compression being a tone tool and eq being a fix it tool was a super helpful way to think of it. thanks so much
Your 3 Rules of EQ video REALLY ROCKs !!!!!!
Thanks Joe, I only started learning to mix a couple of months ago and your videos have really helped me.
Welcome to the wonderful world of mixing :)
Joe you're a beautiful thing, you really go out your way to help people like us who DESPERATELY NEED IT... you explain it in such a clear, humorous way which is in my book, the best way to learn something. Thank you so much Joe Gilder :D!!
Great tutorial again Joe.
I've been building my effects chain for my Livestream project, with the various plug-ins in my Studio One 6 DAW. I started the FX channel with compressor then EQ, and then EQ to compressor. A manual A B thing. Because I have to do surgery on a few frequencies, starting with an EQ was the better choice. Then the serial compression afterwards sounds better as well.
you presented all of this wonderfully. great video! i got what i was looking for as in "what is the purpose of these 2 things actually?"
Haven’t really mixed since the eighties, but I’d agree.
This video makes so much sense!
Thanks.
Fact
You are an eye opener in producing for me. Thank you. ❤
I was doing fl but wanted something new, if not pro logix then something close to it and end up in studio one, and I love it. 🧡
Clear and convincing as always Joe :). Love the approach. Cheers.
Thanks for making the world a better place👊🏿
I just want to say thank you so much for your content! I set up a home studio about 8 months ago nd I just been teaching myself everything (not proffessional by any means... "YET") but man I've made so much dam progress since I started watching your content, it has helped me so much just wanted to share my appreciation. Also I will update this thread later after trying out the EQ + Comp in that order and how it works for me💯
On the tone side, I was just playing with this last night. What I found also is that the old saying that EQ-COMP "softens" and rounds the sound some while COMP-EQ shapes it retains the clarity is pretty accurate. I actually liked both given that the source material was good. But ultimately as I am running an old console, if I want to use the board's EQ, most of the time I will be running a comp in the insert before the board EQ. So if i like the boards EQ, I'm going COMP-EQ. (Unless I run channel 1 EQ into Channel 2 insert with a comp but I lose a channel). To naturally fatten a snare though, I liked EQ into COMP.
Great video!!!;🙏🙏🙏
Keep in mind the EQ does effect how the compressor compresses, meaning EQ influences the compressor's tonal qualities.
So, if you boost some frequency, the compressor will see and act on the louder frequencies. Likewise, of you cut another frequency, you can "hide" that frequency from the compressor.
When it comes to mixing, mix to what feels right - mix for whatever the song needs. It really depends on the mood your trying to set.
Mo' Gooder...S1 needs to make a universal button for that! Great video Joe!!
Good to come back to one of your videos after the construction of my own modest "synth cabin". Love ya work, bro'. I'll leave this one with Sloan;
"If it feels good do it even if you shouldn't
Don't let people mess you around"
Hey Joeeee!!!!!! You never did a video about your new studio monitors!!!! Or do a STUDIO TOUR again!! Wrote in another video but heeey!!! Here I am again!! lmao. I learn so much from you!! Thank you!! Blessings from Uruguay buddy
You are awesome🔥🔥💯
Thanks for the valuable advice Joe!
Old Joe is back🔥❤️
I like that you are right 100%
ok , so you are the guy who sang the song listen. loved it so much that I had my friends play it for all on an online gaming session , also thank you for taking the time to share
Excellent, inspiring and helpful as always! Thanks for reminding us that not every track needs EQ and/or compression.
I like you, dude. Definitely gonna check your channel. Also, you explained it super clearly, i have already seen like three videos on the same subject (this exact one) and although everybody seems to have pretty much the same advice, I like the way you present the material. Like, yeah, it`s not so complicated that it needs showing examples. So I very much enjoyed the comfy vibe of your room.
Such a good explanation. Thanks Joe.
Good info! Thanks! 👍🏽
Thank you Joe. It will be helpful if you could create a playlist for the videos of 'Rules'.
Great info Joe
wuz Good Joe? you executed this info flawlessly.... It's good to know how to use tools in Audio, but when to use and break the rules comes from experience(Trials&Errors)...
So do you EQ out the squeaky chair from the video first, or compress the squeak and then EQ it out? Asking for a friend. :-)
Great video as always.
hahahahaha
@@dannylharper6889 Glad you liked that!
Depends if you like the squeak.
As a producer and engineer. I’m gonna say EQ first. Just because some instruments may not need compression but mostly all need some form of eqing. I think I’ve gotten away with at least 4 songs that didn’t need compression on any instruments and it sounded lovely. But I was lucky of course because it was all written in the box electronically 😁
Compression does have the tendency to suck the life out of a sound doesn't it.
Obi Dave Kenobe yes sir it does.
I love your videos 🤙🏻
I've always set my tone then compress. In my first studio I had a Makie 1604 mixer & a Audio Technica 4033 mic. Pulling down the mid freq on the Makie to about 10 o'clock got rid of the harsh resonance that mic put out. Then I'd taylor my compression to the vocalist's performance.
Same with my Bass Guitar. I'm a funk bassist, so my bass has to sound right then I'd compress to help my playing control the peaks.
Joe, great video as always. My personal ROT (rule of thumb) is reductive eq comes before compression, additive eq after.
Get the bad stuff out before its "glued" together or add the extra (boom/fizz/whatever) after so the compression doesn't undo it. That's my logic anyway
That's a good way to put it!
So you're basically adding two EQs in your bus/track, right? Reductive EQ -> COMP -> Additive EQ
@@alejandrogallardoyes, if there's a frq that needs to come down I think its easier pre-comp. Then compression if necessary. If after that it still needs a boost somewhere then I'd EQ again post-comp.
@@jacobwhite936 thanks, Jacob. I'll keep it in mind during my next mix
That’s what I was taught and it works for me but now after watching this video... What if we boost the good stuff before compression. Wouldn’t it sound better after being compressed and passed through the compressors?
Thanks for sharing
Hahaha good vid man! I actually like this rambley way you call it! Do more like this whimsical!
Great vid. Seems in summation the track hasto pass the "sound good" test before it hits compression. Sound good? Compress!
Thank you
Reinforcement from your previous video is always good, thanks...now, if you would have swished that paper wad into a waste basket...well, you know how cool that would’ve been!
I tent to: EQ (Cuts) -> Compress -> Eq(Boosts)
sensible. thanks.
Thanks for your work. When I saw the title of this video, I thought: a hen or an egg goes first? I just want to contribute my view... When I listen and feel compression is needed, I would use compression first. Then if the track needs some EQing I would do that. On the other hand if the track needs eq and compression is needed afterwards, I would do that. It's not like some big trancendental mom and dad sitting on a cloud somewhere decided what is going to work for you, no questions asked :-) excuse any typos by the way, I can use only one of my eyes now... Please let me know if I am WRONG... I Will delete all my "products"... 👍👍👍
Again moving to a new studio? Man, you move often! I'm eager to see you in the new space.
Yup!
What if I'm using UAD plugins going into my daw recording live effects? I use preamp/compression then eq out the negative frequencies in my daw afterwards. Is that fine?
Presonas dont know the answer to this crash issue. when moving a slider (s)(fader) up to full it crashes the use of the mouse , and you cannot stop it playing Have you any thoughts Joe to what is causing this ? as you are my studio one expert.thank you
Some people clean up the dirt before they hit record, some dont. If you dont you have to clean it after, if you do then comp first is fine. Though technically if you high passed before recording you still did eq first.
Make a video about peak gain or gain control before exporting. Some people say it's good to export your audio peaked at -1db.
Skip to 3:37 if you already know what eq and compression are.
My experience has been that it depends on the song. Use you rears. Which ever sounds the best, that what to use.
On the topic of acoustic guitars it depends with me. If it is a heavy strumming part that has a lot of energy, I am more than likely gonna comp it. If it is more intimate of a performance with less instruments involved then yeah... I won’t comp it. But I usually glue it all together with buss comp anyways so it does indeed get some comp...
In other words: subtractive EQ first, then compression, then additive EQ. Thanks, Joe!
that's a comment I searched for (before I write something similar). And that would have been my question actually @JoeGilder. If the material already sounds good, and you compress first, then this means that the EQ has a different purpose, and I think it's for sound shaping. If the material needs some clean-up, so you EQ first, then this EQ is for getting rid of unpleasant frequencies. But then you compress, and then you could add again the sound shaping EQ. Which is what @Franjo is saying I hope. So here we are with a solution I would use too -> EQ (cleanup if necessary) - COMP - EQ (sound design).
Yup
Sounds logical to me, thanks for the reality check, Joe.
That's why I use Logic X :)
Hi Joe. Since youtube changed its emailing notification policy, I miss half your videos. When i got the email I used to go right to your latest vid. If you have a lot of subscriptions, some will be missed. What a pain. Can't be good for the author I wouldn't think.
Always ask yourself what is making my ears 'run away' from listening. When your ears start cringing, and shutting down then some EQ and some Comp is required. Tone first, then balance. Parallel comp for fullness. You can also cringe from tone, tuning, and arrangement. EQ can help fix those, but way better to just get them performed properly.
Most of the time l EQ first then comp. tracks if needed. BUT on the overall mix, the main out l will comp. Then EQ if need be. To each his own.
Here’s what I’ve learned. There’s almost always going to be some unnecessary low end on most tracks one records.
Why let the compressor go to work and spend all it’s precious energy on all of those “empty calories”?
Filter first, then compress. Then EQ.
EQ is a type of filter, and a filter is a type of EQ. And compression is a dynamics control.
@@obidavekenobe I’m fully aware of that.
Rambling? Maybe. Helpful? Definitely!
understanding the Gait, limiter and HPF.... you have vids for those?
I try to get the best capture possible, then a static mix. Many times is sound good.
So, the real question is are we throwing a compressor in a track because “you’re just supposed to” or more to the point - why are we not asking the question “why am I wanting to add a compressor in the first place” ?
We definitely are. 😊
Where is the "laugh out loud" button! ;)
Eq every time. No point in compressing bass frequencies that I'm probably going to cut anyway...
There are no rules here. You need to listen to what the track needs, instead of doing the same thing blindly on every track. Sometimes you might need to control dynamics before you adjust frequencies. That's his point here.
And i bet that works well. now let’s say you used a preamp with a hi-pass filter on the channels so you’re not just dealing with low frequencies
BradsGonnaPlay I don't think I would ever do that. I usually just record the source as natural as can be.
Canyon Depths well, I guess that's just his approach. I almost always start with hi passing. I like to get rid on the mud. My room is less than ideal and I know my space and mics inside out, so I pretty much do the same thing every time. It works for me 🤷♂️
@@officialWWM depends on your source. I mean my instant comparison is an acoustic guitar. If it's tuned to standard then there is no need for sub 80hz even getting onto the recording in the first place so an e.q. cut as you record removes the need to low cut it when you mix. You could argue that a 110hz cut is bang on when you record to allow the bass room. That's the whole GIRATS thing.
Send me a Presonus shirt?! I’ve been getting some Presonus mics. The PD-70 and the PM-2 mics. Awesome for the prices!
Can we use EQ fix - Comp and EQ for color
Sure
What about on the capture?
Joe,
Thanks for that advice.
For recording alto sax in a small room at home, what are the frequencies that usually need to be reduced a bit?
Thanks in advance for your response.
That would depend on the mic and room and sax youre recording. Maybe try the EQ sweep trick and see if any frequencies stick out to you. Then cut them :)
If something sounds shit and can't re-record it, Eq>Comp>Eq... Sometimes comp+comp, sometimes nothing. Usually the issue is with matetial recorded by someobe else. ☺️
Starts talking about the actual topic at 4:15
Or do it the Joe Gilder way, and fix it at the source..! Better performance, better kit, or just address issues first before apply fixes!
I like that BIG snare drum sound, so I'll record the snare drum in a gymnasium and mic the room.
SO MORAL OF THE STORY IS TO COMPRESS FIRST 😅
3 rules to EQ, 6 rules to compress. Shoot, that's nine rules for me to break 👍
Eq then comp then eq
abbas ahmed the compress again!
!!!
That intro was kinda redundant. Like why did you have to write it out on paper? 😆
__allways___ is a bad word when it comes to mixing!!!!
I EQ FIRST THEN I COMPRESS
No arguments from me.
2:15 Dude get a Pilates ball or a Pilates ball chair 👌
It's EQ first 96% of the time the end
Try some WD40.
Geez only took ya 7 minutes to get to the point but well said.
Too much waffle.
Thank you