Was just reading Jack Dempseys book this morning and covered the part he talk about exactly this , is was surprised to see “get yourself a pair of gloves (not boxing gloves)”
I did not know that the Punch Professor passed away, wow. he's actually the reason that I started using old school bag gloves so important to use correct form when placing your punches. RIP Punch Professor.
Perfect timing coach I literally just watched that punch professor video yesterday but I’m just glad you uploaded a lot of your wisdom is unique to what traditional western boxing teaches
This is so important. I think a lot of us forget that we are not planning to go pro, but are training for self defense. Jack Dempsey mentions that a little in one of his book; 90% of ppl that train boxing just want to learn to protect themselves and too many trainers treat them like they are going to become pro fighters Emmanuel Stuart said to use bag gloves too. He said too many fighters these days have hand problems from babying their hands too much. (Just don’t over due it, especially if you are new)
This is golden advice. I have old school bag gloves, and never used to consider the nuances of proper positioning and alignment with regards to how they aid in understanding efficient fist articulation on impact (granted I was a lot younger and inexperienced...). Over the years since, I've begun to see the value and virtue in these as opposed to just normal boxing gloves in getting better at punching; essentially, the closer you can get to simulating bare-knuckle safely and intelligently (less padding), the better you can understand the finer details to a proper punch and hand anatomy, as well as being realistically more cautious and aware of how to sensibly throw a punch without injuring yourself. Less is more as I say.
I've always used the cheap "bag gloves" that I use for years even when massively worn down haha. It was more out of cost than choice back in the day. I always finish bagwork off with bare knuckle as well! It toughens the hands and if you aren't punching right you'll soon know about it.
Too true. Still remember the pain many many years ago, when I punched heavy bag bare knuckle and got the technique a little off. You hand/wrist/shoulder will tell you very quickly if you didn't do the punch right.
Buy some traditional Chinese Iron Fist lineament (Dit da Jow). Things like inflammation (bumps) vanish in about 5 min flat (along with 85% of the pain). It prevents fist injuries, helps to improve the bloodflow in the area, develops much stronger tissue and bone density. It helps makes the skin tougher, but also.. more pliable / flexible... so that it will not be dried / brittle and flaky. You can see an example video someone did on its bruise healing potentials, by searching "Dit da jow Proof". The stuff is a miracle in a bottle. There is Nothing else like it. Not even close. Edit: Make sure to get the hand made Jow (all natural plant based ingredients, in an alcohol base).. Not the synthesized garbage. The synthetic stuff doesnt work for beans.
I would think that the greatest advantage to not wrapping and using thinner gloves is conditioning the tendons and ligaments of the wrist and forearms against impact. Of course being able to throw a proper punch with a twisting motion on the end is easier as well. Great advice with simple thin leather.
Yeah greater conditioning for wrist strength, and like Ramsey said greater ability to articulate a strike in a natural semi-gloveless way. Not saying doing bag work with regular style training gloves is a bad thing, but bag mitts feel way closer to a bare handed strike so way less chance of missing and glancing or hitting the bag at a dodgy angle bc your fist was forced into lining up with the glove, rather than the other way round.
This is hilarious, I’ve been warming up and finishing rounds with my grandpas old welding gloves for years, they basically are just a thick piece of leather- that’s when I feel like I get the most progress in terms of learning the body mechanics for punching. Thanks for sharing!
I also like these gloves for Muay Thai clinch training because they prevent your partner from scratching your neck and making you look like you survived an encounter with a tiger.
Yooooooo...I had that same problem lol. Getting Thai gloves isn't really cost efficient for me at the moment though. Next time I'll have to try my bag gloves
Growing up we had a heavy bag hung on a tree in our bank garden. My Dad taught me using my Granddad's big old boxing gloves but for the bag he just had a tough pair of gardening gloves hung up inside the shed. No other gloves have felt right after using those.
So nice to see you promote the old school bag gloves! I swear by them. I got the Cleto Reyes ones. I have used these about 6 months religiously. They are like training coaches on the ends of my hands. My accuracy has increased, strength of hands and wrists, technique. Everything. I even use them for pad work and my double end bag. People nowadays ignore the old wisdoms without asking why they did things that way
Thank you for talking about this. I discovered the Punch Professor from his bag glove video and instantly subscribed. I bought a pair of Cleto bag gloves and thanked him in the comments and of course he kindly replied. He'll be missed.
I wish quality info like this was out even 6 -7 years ago, a lot of your stuff would have made such a disgustingly powerful difference back then, but hot damn do I appreciate that it exists now
Because Jack Dempsey said so, and who are we to question the Manassa Mauler... Thanks for letting us know about the Punch professor. His videos are amazing!
This is fascinating for me. My training has been in traditional Chinese martial arts where all of my bag work has been bare hand. I’ve never used gloves. One thing I love about Ramsey’s video is him talking about being able to tuck that thumb in as opposed to big boxing gloves. Very informative video. Well done.
My first instructor for MMA was an 8th degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do. He encouraged hitting the bag with no gloves sometimes because in a real life situation, you probably aren't going to be wearing wraps or gloves.
This is the main reason I use mma gloves for bag work. Sure there is some padding on those. But not enough to drain the feeling of impact from my knuckles. It gives me a bigger feel of how hard the impact actually is on my fist/arm. It doesn't just dissipate the force through the glove.
As one of those poor kids, I started off using the cheapie no padding gloves and have stayed with them for the last nearly 40 years. Only recently did just start using boxing gloves because at 47 my hands were starting to get sore after working the bag for a while. It still doesn't feel exactly right using the boxing gloves on a bag. I appreciate the extra "boom" to my shots and the work it forces me to put in to keep my hands up, but it takes some getting used to and I'm not sure I like it. I'm sure part of it all those years of being told to not hit the bag with my boxing gloves. Part of me wants to give up on the boxing gloves and just go back to the thin bag gloves and maybe get an aqua bag or something.
My uncle gave me a pair when I was a teenager. Corked my thumb who knows how many times the first couple years I used those gloves, probably at least a hundred to two hundred times. You learn to be pretty accurate after a while.
I can attest to this as being %100 true. I got a heavy bag when I was younger and just a pair of regular speed bad everlast gloves. At first I would hurt my hands hitting the bag but over time it makes your hands and wrists IMMENSELY STRONG. You will be hitting like a mule kick after some months of steady work. Good luck.
I love my bag gloves. I've had the same pair since probably 2005. They're Everlast leather gloves with, what feels like, one sheet of cotton batting as padding, and then a really thin cotton lining. They look goofy as anything because they have obnoxiously long thumbs, but they work like a charm. The grip bar feels might be a piece of plastic or wood. I bought them exactly for not skinning up my knuckles! I didn't have wraps or gloves for quite a while when I first started and my bag was really course leather and the label was a square of leather sewn on top. So every time I threw a hook and I hadn't stepped in enough, I'd skim the surface of the bag and catch the edge of that label. It was horrible. I had to teach myself how to fight and how to train to fight, so I didn't know exactly what wraps were for - I mostly used them to cover my knuckles (I'd bleed through two pairs in a two hour session). Bag gloves really were a game-changer. lol.
Dear mr coach danger You're too good to us Love the use of the past techniques technologies and materials to keep moving this sport we love forward Your wrist and hand placement is insane throwing offensive strikes so tightly knit together for great defense shell while still allowing for sneaky elbow strikes phenomenal Thank you for all you share looking forward to the Dempsey read
This is solid adivce coach. When I had a bag in my basement, I always did some rounds with normal boxing gloves and at the end I took them off, did 1 or 2 rounds with wraps and then 1 or 2 rounds with just bare fists. After a while I could punch pretty hard even bare knuckle without injuring myself
Interesting about the no hand wraps thing. I believe the late great Paul mentioned in the comments in one of his bag glove videos that around the time he was being taught boxing, almost all boxers used hand wraps with these. I think he also had a preference for the ones that look like they're wrapping around your hands as opposed to the pre shaped ones. I gotta ask, is there really any difference between the two? Another question, the awkward hand positioning in modern boxing gloves, is that due to the attached thumb? I remember Paul also talking about this in great detail and talked about how boxers were throwing left hooks and landing with the thumb so regulatory bodies decided gloves should have attached thumbs. How does the hand positioning of those old boxing gloves with the movable thumb compare to a modern pair with the thumb attached?
That’s exactly why modern boxing gloves have an attached thumb! I used to have a vintage pair of those old gloves with the detached thumb about 15 years. I wish I still had them so I could show you exactly what the difference was.
I used a pair of oven mitts to hit the bag after I saw Duran with some gloves that honestly looked like oven mitts. They worked pretty well and aided in dexterity
I see what you did there Ramsey. This is your homage to the late great Punch Professor and all his vast pugilistic knowledge. I have seen bag gloves in pictures before and always thought they were solely for the speed bag, but I would also see pictures of old school fighters wearing them. After watching this video I will definitely get myself a pair so I can better articulate my punches. I train on the heavy bag and double end bag using 16 ounce gloves with wraps on my hands. I hit the speed bag with just my wrapped hands. I will definitely be putting a pair of bag gloves on my Christmas wish list this year.
I trained on my first bag with old school bag mitts and mismatched mma gloves and I'm glad I did. I dont know if theres any correlation but I dont think I've ever experienced a wrist injury from hitting the bag, which is something I hear a lot of my friends complain about.
The better I get at boxing, the more I realize how good Ramsey is at boxing. And, I completely agree about the bad gloves, best way to learn as a beginner.
I engaged with the late great Punch Professor in one of his videos to verify that fighters used wraps with these. Outside of the Dempsey book (which I always thought was Dempsey's way of helping Depression era kids not have to buy gloves) my understanding is that fighters always wrapped under these. One pivotal design difference is that until the 80's these bag gloves didn't have the curved finger tips. The modern glove that most closely replicates these gloves is the Rival RB5. I personally love the old Everlast 4308 and 4307 with the metal grip bar. You can occasionally find a good pair on eBay. The only other glove I really like is the Gil bag glove with Velcro. Its a little big at 8 Oz's but it is very nice.
I was always taught to wrap my hands under the bag glove. Even when I was young and too poor to afford wraps and just used an old ace bandage, we still wrapped. Getting that first set of wraps seemed like huge deal back then.
For me, the feeling is night and day when you use padded gloves and non-padded. I also use leather gardening gloves. It gives you a real understanding how to connect your punches.
Love the double end bag work!! Wow. Tons of work goes into that. But, please shuffle in closer with the Right upper cut on the heavy bag, unless you’re purposely doing a Tykwondo style screw punch. Then… I’ll mind my own business and just be happy watching your awesome content. (Not joking, love your channel)
I used to love these old school gloves, you cannot get these anywhere the oven mitts style. you can feel every strike swift and organic very natural and allows great hand eye. old days of these techniques have gone. even without grip bars just the open ended gloves. best thing next to wearing nothing
I used them when I started boxing in the 80s and I after long term use, I ended up causing myself some hand issues, that I had to have medical treatment for, for over a year. I went on to use wraps and 14oz gloves. The thumb has never been on issue for me personally. I think its advisable to go between the two, save any long term wear and tear stress on the hands
I used to use gloves like these when I first started and had no technique and just tried to throw haymakers. My hands got all torn up and bloodied so I went out and bought thicker gloves. About a year after I pulled the gloves back out I was really happy with how fast my punches were
I have been using these gloves for years. I cut the ends off the four fingers parts- originally, because my hands are unusually large- even for someone of my large size, and I needed to do that to make them fit. Now, I do it because I feel like it is a more natural fist. My thumb actually curls comfortably around my first two fingers. Try that sometime with some cheap gloves before you toss them out and see if it helps
I did not read Jack Dempseys book yet, but I did some recreational leatherwork. Based on that and the price you named, I would say that right now, buying a pair would probably be cheaper than making one yourself. Not to discourage anyone from doing so of course.
Thin gloves are also more closer to real fight, you don't wear big gloves if you needed to fight protecting yourself or loved ones in real life. The more you train bare knuckle or close to bare knuckle, the better in my opinion.
The problem you mentioned with the padding between the thumb and fist preventing closure of the fist completely also exists with the "bar pad" near the top of the palm of bag gloves, or at least the ones I have. This pad makes it impossible to close the fist so that the proximal phalanges are clenched at a right angle to the metacarpals and messes up fist/wrist alignment. The big heavy bags my first martial arts school had were fine punching bare fisted, but the 95 lb. Everlast bag I now have is made of such course material if you glance off it you open up the skin on your hand. I've even abraded the skin on my knees kneeing the bag through gi pants. My point is, some bags require you to wear bag gloves for safety, others do not. Proper skin conditioning (punching sand, makiwara, etc.) can also help prepare the hands for bag work, although a course canvas bag will probably still require some kind of gloves.
I’m watching this video because I got a speed bag set and those gloves came with them and I didn’t know what they did because they weren’t what I usually saw for gloves or I never seen gloves with no padding, but thanks for showing me that they are still like the normal gloves because I never used them in like 2 months when I got the speed bag set
Turning the fist over at the end of a punch was originally intended so that friction from the glove would purposely grab and cut the skin of a fighters face as Boxing moved away from the bare knuckle era. So doing the same on a bag is a great way to skin your knuckles. If you're going to train Bare Knuckle on a bag as frequently and hard as you can with gloves you need to use the same vertical fist alignment as classical bare knuckle fighters did. It's a different sort of elbow action than standard corkscrew punches today. You have to consciously relax and raise the elbow until full extension for the jab and straight right, or keep the elbow bent for short punches. Most importantly you also have to keep your lead toe pointed where you're punching because the anatomy of the shoulder and biceps tendon won't work with the lead foot turned in with the thumb pointed up. Otherwise it's all the same. Wearing nothing at all also teaches you how to hit the bag flush and dig without sliding just to avoid skinning your knuckles lol They'll get skinned at 1st if you don't start slow but eventually callous. Mine never tear unless I throw a lot of seriously hard shots at the sand bags in the bottom of the bag. But I took them out cuz old school bags never had them and were lighter and softer. So now it literally never happens and I train at full power for hours a day on top of working full time as I'm preparing to compete as a Super Heavyweight Boxer.
I recently started boxing again and reading Dempsey's book and yeah I first got it when I was one of those poor kids getting it of the internet archive and putting it on my old kindle.
Great advice... I've recently pulled out my simple everlast bag gloves that have a small weight from years ago and thought that I would need a new pair, but now I'm keeping them. I do wrap my hands though because it keeps me from taking the gloves off too since since it takes just a bit longer to get them on... more punching... thanks!
Certainly makes sense. Big cushions on your hands prevent you from angling your wrists properly. For wraps, I found them necessary when going hard against a heavy bag. Not the stretchy wraps, but the ones that pack tightly. I assume it's because it kept the shape of my fist. I can do all the knuckle pushups I want, but it can only help so much when hitting a heavy bag hard. If the wraps do maintain the shape of the fist, then it's probably preventing the soft tissue from being mis-shaped too much during the high impulse forces on impact. Knuckle pushups can't help in that regard. Then again, one can argue that hitting so hard isn't all that great on a regular basis. I feel it in my shoulders and spine. Maybe it's form. But if you have to modify your form in going from moderate to heavy, that may be too heavy.
I love thin gloves but the reason I primarily use big, thick gloves majority of the time is because it's heavy, therefore it improves my acceleration. Then when I switch to thin gloves, i definitely feel my speed has increased
Mr.Ramsey can you do a video on how to avoid elbow injuries? It's just such a common injury I see in boxers and I don't want to have them. Thank you in advance.
I always thought the idea behind these gloves was to teach you to snap your punches. I asked Paulie and I don’t remember exactly what his response was but I took it that I was at least partially right.
Ramsey, I often train in the Everlast thin bag gloves and never wear wraps. Thay have a metal bar inside to align the knuckles. I can hit a bag as hard as I can. They are made of leather but now, being so old, they are more duct tape than leather, lol Can't find them anymore as the new ones are different.
Hey Ramsey, I learned so much from this video that I started adding and using Bag Mitts in my collection. It’s great you also referenced Jack Dempsey, I’m leading his book now. If you are okay with answering, what brand are the bag mitts you used?
Coach Ramsey recently did more martial arts research and learned that the martial arts I thought were useless like Wing Chun and Aikido can actually work in a fight if you combine them with martial arts that actually work, and if you actually know how to fight, however I am always still training everyday to be as strong as you one day 😁
I think this is imperative to develop hand striking strength...I usually start out with a round of 2lb weights...then 2 rounds in 14oz...and 3 rounds in 10oz...and finish with 1-3 rounds of very thin neoprene bag gloves...the cheapie ones from Walmart are surprisingly decent
Hey ramsey i wanted to ask a question, at what point am i a good judge of my own martial skill? Im a striker naturally that picked up boxing with no issue and transitioned to more open striking like muay thai and kick boxing, i took my first jujistu class yesterday and several of the guys who were much more skilled noted that im much better than i let on. I want to make accurate judgments on my overall strength as a fighter but i dont want to lead myself to fantasy. The evidence presents to myself i have a natrual inclination to these types of things but i dont want to create a lie-- after all martial arts is the pursuit of truth. I know the answer is probably spar/roll more, but i feel like youd have additional thoughts in the topic concerning the idea of one trying to understand their strengths, weaknesses and gifts.
Hey Ramswer, Im a 16 year old Boxer from America... I love boxing but I also love MMA and Kickboxing. I train four hours a day and about five days a week. Recently I've been getting into MMA and Kickboxing and really wanted to make a transition into those sports- I was wondering is boxing any good for MMA? and can you come into MMA a couple years of boxing and have an advantage? and is kickboxing a good art to study for MMA as ell (combined with multiple styles of course)- I've had sum dreams/aspirations of trying to become a pro and I've had a huge love of martial arts and the personal growth it gave me- but Im still worried if its too late to make a transition into MMA where I would be able to go pro and if the three years I invested in boxing is a handicap for me to get into MMA. Sry if this comment inconviences you :)
You’re 16. The average age of a UFC fighter is 29. Of course it’s not too late! Boxing is an integral part of mixed martial arts. All MMA fighters need to cross train in boxing. You need to train everything else too! But boxing is not a disadvantage. To the contrary.
Was just reading Jack Dempseys book this morning and covered the part he talk about exactly this , is was surprised to see “get yourself a pair of gloves (not boxing gloves)”
Reading Dempsey and having the Punch Professor's videos is your legacy base for success and good training!
I interpreted what he was saying as you could use work gloves if you don't have access to boxing gloves...but boxing gloves are ideal
you wont ever fight profesionally there you DO NOT need to train like proffesional do...
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I did not know that the Punch Professor passed away, wow. he's actually the reason that I started using old school bag gloves so important to use correct form when placing your punches. RIP Punch Professor.
Perfect timing coach I literally just watched that punch professor video yesterday but I’m just glad you uploaded a lot of your wisdom is unique to what traditional western boxing teaches
^^^^
This is so important. I think a lot of us forget that we are not planning to go pro, but are training for self defense.
Jack Dempsey mentions that a little in one of his book; 90% of ppl that train boxing just want to learn to protect themselves and too many trainers treat them like they are going to become pro fighters
Emmanuel Stuart said to use bag gloves too. He said too many fighters these days have hand problems from babying their hands too much.
(Just don’t over due it, especially if you are new)
I didn't expect to ever see another youtube video on thin bag gloves again. God bless the Punch Professor.
This is golden advice. I have old school bag gloves, and never used to consider the nuances of proper positioning and alignment with regards to how they aid in understanding efficient fist articulation on impact (granted I was a lot younger and inexperienced...). Over the years since, I've begun to see the value and virtue in these as opposed to just normal boxing gloves in getting better at punching; essentially, the closer you can get to simulating bare-knuckle safely and intelligently (less padding), the better you can understand the finer details to a proper punch and hand anatomy, as well as being realistically more cautious and aware of how to sensibly throw a punch without injuring yourself. Less is more as I say.
I've always used the cheap "bag gloves" that I use for years even when massively worn down haha. It was more out of cost than choice back in the day.
I always finish bagwork off with bare knuckle as well! It toughens the hands and if you aren't punching right you'll soon know about it.
Too true. Still remember the pain many many years ago, when I punched heavy bag bare knuckle and got the technique a little off. You hand/wrist/shoulder will tell you very quickly if you didn't do the punch right.
And teaches you to protect your thumb.....had a freind at 17 smash our heavy bag and completely dislocated his thumb
Buy some traditional Chinese Iron Fist lineament (Dit da Jow). Things like inflammation (bumps) vanish in about 5 min flat (along with 85% of the pain). It prevents fist injuries, helps to improve the bloodflow in the area, develops much stronger tissue and bone density. It helps makes the skin tougher, but also.. more pliable / flexible... so that it will not be dried / brittle and flaky.
You can see an example video someone did on its bruise healing potentials, by searching "Dit da jow Proof". The stuff is a miracle in a bottle. There is Nothing else like it. Not even close.
Edit: Make sure to get the hand made Jow (all natural plant based ingredients, in an alcohol base).. Not the synthesized garbage. The synthetic stuff doesnt work for beans.
I would think that the greatest advantage to not wrapping and using thinner gloves is conditioning the tendons and ligaments of the wrist and forearms against impact. Of course being able to throw a proper punch with a twisting motion on the end is easier as well. Great advice with simple thin leather.
And that IS the reason for using them. There , 13 “ of waffle on vid saved - which IMO it was .
Yeah greater conditioning for wrist strength, and like Ramsey said greater ability to articulate a strike in a natural semi-gloveless way. Not saying doing bag work with regular style training gloves is a bad thing, but bag mitts feel way closer to a bare handed strike so way less chance of missing and glancing or hitting the bag at a dodgy angle bc your fist was forced into lining up with the glove, rather than the other way round.
This is hilarious, I’ve been warming up and finishing rounds with my grandpas old welding gloves for years, they basically are just a thick piece of leather- that’s when I feel like I get the most progress in terms of learning the body mechanics for punching. Thanks for sharing!
I also like these gloves for Muay Thai clinch training because they prevent your partner from scratching your neck and making you look like you survived an encounter with a tiger.
Yooooooo...I had that same problem lol. Getting Thai gloves isn't really cost efficient for me at the moment though. Next time I'll have to try my bag gloves
Great idea💡
Thank you for all the amazing coaching and content, honestly can’t express just how grateful I am :)
Growing up we had a heavy bag hung on a tree in our bank garden.
My Dad taught me using my Granddad's big old boxing gloves but for the bag he just had a tough pair of gardening gloves hung up inside the shed.
No other gloves have felt right after using those.
So nice to see you promote the old school bag gloves!
I swear by them. I got the Cleto Reyes ones. I have used these about 6 months religiously.
They are like training coaches on the ends of my hands. My accuracy has increased, strength of hands and wrists, technique. Everything.
I even use them for pad work and my double end bag.
People nowadays ignore the old wisdoms without asking why they did things that way
your Double End and Speedbag work is always interesting to watch.
Thank you for talking about this. I discovered the Punch Professor from his bag glove video and instantly subscribed. I bought a pair of Cleto bag gloves and thanked him in the comments and of course he kindly replied. He'll be missed.
I wish quality info like this was out even 6 -7 years ago, a lot of your stuff would have made such a disgustingly powerful difference back then, but hot damn do I appreciate that it exists now
Because Jack Dempsey said so, and who are we to question the Manassa Mauler...
Thanks for letting us know about the Punch professor. His videos are amazing!
This is fascinating for me. My training has been in traditional Chinese martial arts where all of my bag work has been bare hand. I’ve never used gloves.
One thing I love about Ramsey’s video is him talking about being able to tuck that thumb in as opposed to big boxing gloves.
Very informative video. Well done.
My first instructor for MMA was an 8th degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do. He encouraged hitting the bag with no gloves sometimes because in a real life situation, you probably aren't going to be wearing wraps or gloves.
That's why Tyson fury cut that silly thumb restrainer from his glove so he could tuck the thumb where it's supposed to be
you probably dont hit that hard ~icy mike hard2hurt
I gotta say
You have improved your thumbnails!
Your recent videos with decent amount of views have good thumbnails and video title 👌
Those were always my favorite they had that thing that felt like a soft roll of nickels inside
This is the main reason I use mma gloves for bag work. Sure there is some padding on those. But not enough to drain the feeling of impact from my knuckles. It gives me a bigger feel of how hard the impact actually is on my fist/arm. It doesn't just dissipate the force through the glove.
As one of those poor kids, I started off using the cheapie no padding gloves and have stayed with them for the last nearly 40 years. Only recently did just start using boxing gloves because at 47 my hands were starting to get sore after working the bag for a while. It still doesn't feel exactly right using the boxing gloves on a bag. I appreciate the extra "boom" to my shots and the work it forces me to put in to keep my hands up, but it takes some getting used to and I'm not sure I like it. I'm sure part of it all those years of being told to not hit the bag with my boxing gloves. Part of me wants to give up on the boxing gloves and just go back to the thin bag gloves and maybe get an aqua bag or something.
My uncle gave me a pair when I was a teenager. Corked my thumb who knows how many times the first couple years I used those gloves, probably at least a hundred to two hundred times. You learn to be pretty accurate after a while.
RIP punch professor, ☆☆☆☆☆ for him and this video!
I found an old set of bag gloves in storage at my grandparents. Been using it on the bag at home and I like it
I can attest to this as being %100 true. I got a heavy bag when I was younger and just a pair of regular speed bad everlast gloves. At first I would hurt my hands hitting the bag but over time it makes your hands and wrists IMMENSELY STRONG. You will be hitting like a mule kick after some months of steady work. Good luck.
I love my bag gloves. I've had the same pair since probably 2005. They're Everlast leather gloves with, what feels like, one sheet of cotton batting as padding, and then a really thin cotton lining. They look goofy as anything because they have obnoxiously long thumbs, but they work like a charm. The grip bar feels might be a piece of plastic or wood. I bought them exactly for not skinning up my knuckles!
I didn't have wraps or gloves for quite a while when I first started and my bag was really course leather and the label was a square of leather sewn on top. So every time I threw a hook and I hadn't stepped in enough, I'd skim the surface of the bag and catch the edge of that label. It was horrible. I had to teach myself how to fight and how to train to fight, so I didn't know exactly what wraps were for - I mostly used them to cover my knuckles (I'd bleed through two pairs in a two hour session). Bag gloves really were a game-changer. lol.
This version of gloves, is by far my favorite. I love feeling a natural punch.
I have a beauty set of Winwell gloves. Burgundy. Like new. Early 80's.
My favorite training glove. Old school bag gloves have been a staple in my training since day one. I do 80% of my bag work with bag gloves.
Dear mr coach danger
You're too good to us
Love the use of the past techniques technologies and materials to keep moving this sport we love forward
Your wrist and hand placement is insane throwing offensive strikes so tightly knit together for great defense shell while still allowing for sneaky elbow strikes phenomenal
Thank you for all you share looking forward to the Dempsey read
I used a pair of leather gardening gloves once. They worked surprisingly well!
We use gloves like that in Wing Chun, work great for sparring, pads, bags etc. Just came home from training btw🙂
This is solid adivce coach. When I had a bag in my basement, I always did some rounds with normal boxing gloves and at the end I took them off, did 1 or 2 rounds with wraps and then 1 or 2 rounds with just bare fists. After a while I could punch pretty hard even bare knuckle without injuring myself
"Late great Punch Professor"
Gone but not forgotten
I really like using these whenever I work the bag
Interesting about the no hand wraps thing. I believe the late great Paul mentioned in the comments in one of his bag glove videos that around the time he was being taught boxing, almost all boxers used hand wraps with these. I think he also had a preference for the ones that look like they're wrapping around your hands as opposed to the pre shaped ones. I gotta ask, is there really any difference between the two? Another question, the awkward hand positioning in modern boxing gloves, is that due to the attached thumb? I remember Paul also talking about this in great detail and talked about how boxers were throwing left hooks and landing with the thumb so regulatory bodies decided gloves should have attached thumbs. How does the hand positioning of those old boxing gloves with the movable thumb compare to a modern pair with the thumb attached?
That’s exactly why modern boxing gloves have an attached thumb! I used to have a vintage pair of those old gloves with the detached thumb about 15 years. I wish I still had them so I could show you exactly what the difference was.
I used a pair of oven mitts to hit the bag after I saw Duran with some gloves that honestly looked like oven mitts. They worked pretty well and aided in dexterity
I was taught to use leather work gloves, and that is what I use to this day as bag gloves.
I see what you did there Ramsey. This is your homage to the late great Punch Professor and all his vast pugilistic knowledge. I have seen bag gloves in pictures before and always thought they were solely for the speed bag, but I would also see pictures of old school fighters wearing them. After watching this video I will definitely get myself a pair so I can better articulate my punches. I train on the heavy bag and double end bag using 16 ounce gloves with wraps on my hands. I hit the speed bag with just my wrapped hands. I will definitely be putting a pair of bag gloves on my Christmas wish list this year.
I remember my dad using those when I was a kid. Haven’t thought about these in ages.
I trained on my first bag with old school bag mitts and mismatched mma gloves and I'm glad I did. I dont know if theres any correlation but I dont think I've ever experienced a wrist injury from hitting the bag, which is something I hear a lot of my friends complain about.
Was literally thinking about this. Glad I have reason to buy some now 👍
Which did you buy?
The better I get at boxing, the more I realize how good Ramsey is at boxing. And, I completely agree about the bad gloves, best way to learn as a beginner.
Thank you! I have been coaching boxers for a long time!
OMG. Those gloves came with the Everlast speed bag my dad bought me in 1990!
Looking yoked 💪💪 sensei !!!!
Awesome video! I was just using my old bag gloves last week thinking if people still know about them. Great timing.
Thanks coach.
Excellent timing. I'm starting heavy bag routine tomorrow and I always use old school thin bag gloves.
I just hear the punch professor passed away, very sad news. May he Rest In Peace.
I engaged with the late great Punch Professor in one of his videos to verify that fighters used wraps with these. Outside of the Dempsey book (which I always thought was Dempsey's way of helping Depression era kids not have to buy gloves) my understanding is that fighters always wrapped under these.
One pivotal design difference is that until the 80's these bag gloves didn't have the curved finger tips.
The modern glove that most closely replicates these gloves is the Rival RB5.
I personally love the old Everlast 4308 and 4307 with the metal grip bar. You can occasionally find a good pair on eBay.
The only other glove I really like is the Gil bag glove with Velcro. Its a little big at 8 Oz's but it is very nice.
I was always taught to wrap my hands under the bag glove. Even when I was young and too poor to afford wraps and just used an old ace bandage, we still wrapped. Getting that first set of wraps seemed like huge deal back then.
You most definitely need to wrap your hands...especially if you hit hard ...
For me, the feeling is night and day when you use padded gloves and non-padded. I also use leather gardening gloves. It gives you a real understanding how to connect your punches.
Love the double end bag work!! Wow. Tons of work goes into that. But, please shuffle in closer with the Right upper cut on the heavy bag, unless you’re purposely doing a Tykwondo style screw punch. Then… I’ll mind my own business and just be happy watching your awesome content. (Not joking, love your channel)
I remember the punch professor ,spoke about this very same subject.
Link to that video in the description!
@@RamseyDewey thank you
I used to love these old school gloves, you cannot get these anywhere the oven mitts style. you can feel every strike swift and organic very natural and allows great hand eye. old days of these techniques have gone. even without grip bars just the open ended gloves. best thing next to wearing nothing
I used them when I started boxing in the 80s and I after long term use, I ended up causing myself some hand issues, that I had to have medical treatment for, for over a year. I went on to use wraps and 14oz gloves. The thumb has never been on issue for me personally. I think its advisable to go between the two, save any long term wear and tear stress on the hands
I used to use gloves like these when I first started and had no technique and just tried to throw haymakers. My hands got all torn up and bloodied so I went out and bought thicker gloves. About a year after I pulled the gloves back out I was really happy with how fast my punches were
I have been using these gloves for years. I cut the ends off the four fingers parts- originally, because my hands are unusually large- even for someone of my large size, and I needed to do that to make them fit. Now, I do it because I feel like it is a more natural fist. My thumb actually curls comfortably around my first two fingers. Try that sometime with some cheap gloves before you toss them out and see if it helps
Just wanna, say amazing video PLEASE make more !
I did not read Jack Dempseys book yet, but I did some recreational leatherwork. Based on that and the price you named, I would say that right now, buying a pair would probably be cheaper than making one yourself. Not to discourage anyone from doing so of course.
Rip punch professor
I AGREE, SPECIALLY WITH THE MMA FINGERLESS GLOVES
Thin gloves are also more closer to real fight, you don't wear big gloves if you needed to fight protecting yourself or loved ones in real life. The more you train bare knuckle or close to bare knuckle, the better in my opinion.
The problem you mentioned with the padding between the thumb and fist preventing closure of the fist completely also exists with the "bar pad" near the top of the palm of bag gloves, or at least the ones I have. This pad makes it impossible to close the fist so that the proximal phalanges are clenched at a right angle to the metacarpals and messes up fist/wrist alignment. The big heavy bags my first martial arts school had were fine punching bare fisted, but the 95 lb. Everlast bag I now have is made of such course material if you glance off it you open up the skin on your hand. I've even abraded the skin on my knees kneeing the bag through gi pants. My point is, some bags require you to wear bag gloves for safety, others do not. Proper skin conditioning (punching sand, makiwara, etc.) can also help prepare the hands for bag work, although a course canvas bag will probably still require some kind of gloves.
You keep te legacy of the punch professor alive :)
I’m watching this video because I got a speed bag set and those gloves came with them and I didn’t know what they did because they weren’t what I usually saw for gloves or I never seen gloves with no padding, but thanks for showing me that they are still like the normal gloves because I never used them in like 2 months when I got the speed bag set
Turning the fist over at the end of a punch was originally intended so that friction from the glove would purposely grab and cut the skin of a fighters face as Boxing moved away from the bare knuckle era.
So doing the same on a bag is a great way to skin your knuckles. If you're going to train Bare Knuckle on a bag as frequently and hard as you can with gloves you need to use the same vertical fist alignment as classical bare knuckle fighters did.
It's a different sort of elbow action than standard corkscrew punches today. You have to consciously relax and raise the elbow until full extension for the jab and straight right, or keep the elbow bent for short punches. Most importantly you also have to keep your lead toe pointed where you're punching because the anatomy of the shoulder and biceps tendon won't work with the lead foot turned in with the thumb pointed up. Otherwise it's all the same.
Wearing nothing at all also teaches you how to hit the bag flush and dig without sliding just to avoid skinning your knuckles lol
They'll get skinned at 1st if you don't start slow but eventually callous.
Mine never tear unless I throw a lot of seriously hard shots at the sand bags in the bottom of the bag. But I took them out cuz old school bags never had them and were lighter and softer. So now it literally never happens and I train at full power for hours a day on top of working full time as I'm preparing to compete as a Super Heavyweight Boxer.
I miss the old school ever last ones. 😢
I recently started boxing again and reading Dempsey's book and yeah I first got it when I was one of those poor kids getting it of the internet archive and putting it on my old kindle.
Great advice... I've recently pulled out my simple everlast bag gloves that have a small weight from years ago and thought that I would need a new pair, but now I'm keeping them. I do wrap my hands though because it keeps me from taking the gloves off too since since it takes just a bit longer to get them on... more punching... thanks!
Certainly makes sense. Big cushions on your hands prevent you from angling your wrists properly. For wraps, I found them necessary when going hard against a heavy bag. Not the stretchy wraps, but the ones that pack tightly. I assume it's because it kept the shape of my fist. I can do all the knuckle pushups I want, but it can only help so much when hitting a heavy bag hard. If the wraps do maintain the shape of the fist, then it's probably preventing the soft tissue from being mis-shaped too much during the high impulse forces on impact. Knuckle pushups can't help in that regard. Then again, one can argue that hitting so hard isn't all that great on a regular basis. I feel it in my shoulders and spine. Maybe it's form. But if you have to modify your form in going from moderate to heavy, that may be too heavy.
I love thin gloves but the reason I primarily use big, thick gloves majority of the time is because it's heavy, therefore it improves my acceleration. Then when I switch to thin gloves, i definitely feel my speed has increased
Fantastic Video Ramsey Dewey!
Just bought a pair of thin bag gloves got to admit pretty nice feeling and feel a difference when putting on the big gloves
Mr.Ramsey can you do a video on how to avoid elbow injuries? It's just such a common injury I see in boxers and I don't want to have them. Thank you in advance.
Here you go!
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Been using these for years - as a compliment to Kyokushin training no less - and they do indeed offer some great benefits.
I always thought the idea behind these gloves was to teach you to snap your punches. I asked Paulie and I don’t remember exactly what his response was but I took it that I was at least partially right.
There’s a lot they can teach you, including that!
this mans voice was made for radio / tv / announcements lol
Ramsey, I often train in the Everlast thin bag gloves and never wear wraps. Thay have a metal bar inside to align the knuckles. I can hit a bag as hard as I can. They are made of leather but now, being so old, they are more duct tape than leather, lol Can't find them anymore as the new ones are different.
Perfect timing, just found out the hard way 😂 I ordered 3 pairs
Hey Ramsey, I learned so much from this video that I started adding and using Bag Mitts in my collection. It’s great you also referenced Jack Dempsey, I’m leading his book now. If you are okay with answering, what brand are the bag mitts you used?
It’s a no name brand (literally no brand name, as is the case with many Chinese products)
R.I.P. to the Punch Professor. He will be missed. 🙏🕊
Coach Ramsey recently did more martial arts research and learned that the martial arts I thought were useless like Wing Chun and Aikido can actually work in a fight if you combine them with martial arts that actually work, and if you actually know how to fight, however I am always still training everyday to be as strong as you one day 😁
Still, better to use your time on what works.
@@dacedebeer2697 yeah boxing,bjj/judo seem to be the more effective (easiest) to perform well
Aim with your ring finger in gloves. Yes, I learned that the hard way. It is counterintuitive but very true. Or you will hit your thumbs first.
This is a great video but it is the camouflage sleeve that made my day xD
Nice video, wish you would have put a link in the description section on where to get those gloves.
That ad at the end was the best 😂
I think this is imperative to develop hand striking strength...I usually start out with a round of 2lb weights...then 2 rounds in 14oz...and 3 rounds in 10oz...and finish with 1-3 rounds of very thin neoprene bag gloves...the cheapie ones from Walmart are surprisingly decent
Jeez you're really good at double end bag stuff.
Ramseys next video, "heart punches." Lol.
Maybe I should! Maybe I should. This one is game changing.
Lowest cost thin synthetic leather heavy bag gloves I found so far were the ringside on amazon for about 20$ might go for those
Most of the trauma, in heavy bag over training , is to vertebral discs in upper tórax vertabrae segment , and clavicle joints
Thanks again Dewey.
Agreed, I would have been here sooner but I was hitting the heavybag with some cheapy ringside econo bag mitts :)
Hey ramsey i wanted to ask a question, at what point am i a good judge of my own martial skill? Im a striker naturally that picked up boxing with no issue and transitioned to more open striking like muay thai and kick boxing, i took my first jujistu class yesterday and several of the guys who were much more skilled noted that im much better than i let on. I want to make accurate judgments on my overall strength as a fighter but i dont want to lead myself to fantasy. The evidence presents to myself i have a natrual inclination to these types of things but i dont want to create a lie-- after all martial arts is the pursuit of truth. I know the answer is probably spar/roll more, but i feel like youd have additional thoughts in the topic concerning the idea of one trying to understand their strengths, weaknesses and gifts.
Get yourselves the Rival RB5 bag gloves ! Best gloves hands down ! The Uk has just had a big shipment so get em quick before they go.
Great advice, Ramsey!
Thats way I say bout power on punching power skill comes first then power . The Jack Dempsey book is a good book one of the best books out there
Hey Ramswer, Im a 16 year old Boxer from America... I love boxing but I also love MMA and Kickboxing. I train four hours a day and about five days a week. Recently I've been getting into MMA and Kickboxing and really wanted to make a transition into those sports- I was wondering is boxing any good for MMA? and can you come into MMA a couple years of boxing and have an advantage? and is kickboxing a good art to study for MMA as ell (combined with multiple styles of course)- I've had sum dreams/aspirations of trying to become a pro and I've had a huge love of martial arts and the personal growth it gave me- but Im still worried if its too late to make a transition into MMA where I would be able to go pro and if the three years I invested in boxing is a handicap for me to get into MMA. Sry if this comment inconviences you :)
You’re 16. The average age of a UFC fighter is 29. Of course it’s not too late! Boxing is an integral part of mixed martial arts. All MMA fighters need to cross train in boxing. You need to train everything else too! But boxing is not a disadvantage. To the contrary.
@@RamseyDewey thx for letting me know!
Used to have old school pair. Develops tremendous accuracy
7:38 Conner Mcgregor articulated it best when he fought Jose Aldo;
Timing beats speed and precision beats power.