Do you think so? I think even this piece is not worth the effort leaning it. It's so uncomfortable and difficult to play, but musically banal and undeveloped.
Thankfully Chopin was tasteful enough to limit his virtuosity in slower movements or pieces and avoid what occurs here from 15:37-17:01. Hummel had a tendency of overloading his slow movements with these kind of empty shows.
@@erika6651 I mean.... Chopin's certainly done this. Impromptus, certain waltzes, even the ending of the barcarolle. I certainly wouldn't say this was empty too, it's a beautiful texture. Oh and the Berceuse is literally just that the whole time.
When I was a kid I founda wonderful book in my middleschool library called "Speaking of pianists " by Abram Chasins who was married to this wonderful, tasteful pianist Constance Keene .
Ничего удивительного,он был учеником Й.Гайдна,В А.Моцарта,А Сальери,Карла Черни.Его учеником был Феликс Мендельсон. Л.Бетховен был его другом,которому Гуммель посвятил несколько произведений
Beautiful. What makes us call Beethoven a Great Composer and Hummel an also-ran? Beethoven wrote piano sonatas that are not as good as this, albeit not many. Thank God for RUclips...of course, I was a Music Composition student, and had heard of Hummel before, but at 54 years of age, am just discovering how good of a composer he was. Slow movement suggests Chopin...
I’m not familiar enough with this period to state this with any certainty, but in listening to Hummel’s solo piano music I do hear hints of Chopin, even an influence. These pieces are certainly worth more hearings and study than they’ve been given in the last 100 or more years.
I find it fascinating - but nowhere near as inventive as either Beethoven or Schubert (both of whom were contemporary) - indeed it is difficult to accept that Hummel outlived both of them and yet seems to be using a somewhat older more CPE Bach-like harmonic language. There is certainly something about the ornate style that you can also see in Chopin - but Chopin elevated it to an entirely new level. Hummel, for me, misses the thematic development skill and rhythmic inventiveness of Beethoven, and the tone-colour of Schubert. Interesting, beautiful in parts, but understandable why Hummel's music has faded from popularity. All this is - of course - a personal opinion which you are most free to disagree with!!!
very nice and cleanly executed but does the pianist not read the dynamic markings? this piece is full of beethovenian contrasts and subito fortes and pianos. I think this music could be performed much, much more passionately and characteristically. all fs and ffs here are at max played mezzoforte. also I don't think the accompaniment gets nearly enough attention. very little phrasing and micro dynamics. a bit of a shame since its really a nice sonata in my opinion! having listened to the whole thing I only have this to add: why play and even record this piece if you have nothing to say? if you don't care about it at all, don't make any interesting artistic choices, nothing artistic at all actually and just play the notes, why bother? this recording is aggressively uninteresting.
Didn't know this piece. He was quite famous in his time and you can clearly hear that he was influential for Schumann (2. mov) and Chopin (3. mov). However, it's hard for me to like this music. Sounds shallow to me.
First bars already wrong rhythm...and a handful of wrong or missing notes - not to mention voicing, dynamics and so on. I really don't get how a renowned music professor (!) who records a piece having the opportunity to check everything twice can put her name on something like that. My only explanation is that she was already quite old when doing so and her hearing and playing abilities impaired.
Sinceramente nella seconda parte del primo tempo io rallenterrei di più x poi differenziare parecchio il tempo più veloce del seguito con le doppie note..a voi pianisti usate un po' di fantasia nelle interpretazioni e non suonate sempre uguale dio maiale
This recording has no balls. Does Keene know any other dynamic than piano and mezzoforte? Especially agravatig in the devlelopment section of the opening movement. It says "forte risoluto" and she plays it without any panache or contrast to what came before.
Assolutamente d'accordo con te. È suonato in modo soltanto bellino... Purtroppo è un'interpretazione che non rischia niente, anzi, sembra quasi che l'interprete cercasse di non suonare. Il risultato secondo me è un'interpretazione superficiale. Se invece di essere scritto "Hummel" ci fosse scritto il nome di un compositore più "importante", sono sicuro che verrebbe fuori un'interpretazione assolutamente diversa.
Cheap parlor music of the day. Using Beethoven in the same sentence as Hummel is a total insult to the Bonn master. Sorry that’s my opinion, go ahead and crucify me….lol
you are an insult for the humanity, you are useless behind a device, I remind you that Beethoven is an insult from a composer for people who prefer jazz or another style and qualify it from ignorance like you, please avoid reproducing yourself, no leave offspring
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Ah, just as I expected - the missing link between Mozart and Chopin. Underrated indeed.
I think it's rather Beethoven than Mozart. The first movement sometimes has a similar style to Beethoven's Sonata No. 7, 4th movement
Now listening to the last movement, the theme is very Mozartish
@@tarikeld11 it's both
フンメルはベートーヴェンと同じ世代です、彼らは後期古典派で、前期古典派であるクレメンティ、モーツァルト、ハイドン等に影響を受けて育ちました。
前期古典派と後期古典派の大きく違う所は、テクニックの激しさや様式の拡大と破壊の2つにあります。これらの特徴はロマン派と共通する特徴であり、全くの別物と認識するのは間違いであり、厳密な定義をするためには変化をグラデーションとしてもっと細かく認識する必要があります。
Hummel was grossly under rated. What an amazing composer he was!
Do you think so? I think even this piece is not worth the effort leaning it. It's so uncomfortable and difficult to play, but musically banal and undeveloped.
smooth brain comment @@tobiaspeter6555
@@tobiaspeter6555
On this listening, I have to agree. I found it very tedious.
😂😂😂
The problem is that you're compqring him to beethoven, an incompetent and overrated composer. Hummel is not even equal to that.
A wonderful performance of a beautiful sonata. Hummel deserves to be played.
Love the nods to Handel throughout the piece. ❤️
La magnifique sonate pour piano de Hummel est un régal à écouter, et tout aussi importante que Clementi ou Beethoven.
Chopin would have been proud to write that 3rd movement. Hummel is magnificent.
Thankfully Chopin was tasteful enough to limit his virtuosity in slower movements or pieces and avoid what occurs here from 15:37-17:01. Hummel had a tendency of overloading his slow movements with these kind of empty shows.
@@erika6651what a stupid comment
@@erika6651 I mean.... Chopin's certainly done this. Impromptus, certain waltzes, even the ending of the barcarolle. I certainly wouldn't say this was empty too, it's a beautiful texture. Oh and the Berceuse is literally just that the whole time.
A beautiful Sonata!!!!!!!!!!
Superbly played.
One of the better Hummel Sonatas, 2:00 is very beautiful! Love the following theme at 2:35
When I was a kid I founda wonderful book in my middleschool library called "Speaking of pianists " by Abram Chasins who was married to this wonderful, tasteful pianist Constance Keene .
14:40 Octatonic scale
So Lisztian
i also associated it with chopin@@erika6651
based
How delightful !
Not familiar with this but so delightful
Intéressant. A l'écoute on dirait le fils de Mozart, le frère de Beethoven et le père de Chopin :)
Only a handful of Beethoven’s sonatas achieve this level of innovation! Wow…this is spectacular writing!
Man, that third movement...
Trash 😂
Good or bad?
Harpejos frenéticos. Depois entra uma embalante melodia; tem alguns rasgos do hino nacional brasileiro?
Kkkkkk seria o hino nacional inspirado em hummel? Kk
Se quiser chorar também pode, essas possibilidades eram muitas, não só Hummel; também em compositores italianos.
Mas nesse caso Hummel é que teria se. Inspirado no hino., levemente (uma reminiscência)
Such a Czerny
Beethoven Op.2 No.3 reference?
Yeah definitely, less interesting but more complex and pianistic
Nessua somiglianza con questa!
Ничего удивительного,он был учеником Й.Гайдна,В А.Моцарта,А Сальери,Карла Черни.Его учеником был Феликс Мендельсон. Л.Бетховен был его другом,которому Гуммель посвятил несколько произведений
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Hummel was the only pianist Beethoven couldn't outplay.
Beautiful. What makes us call Beethoven a Great Composer and Hummel an also-ran? Beethoven wrote piano sonatas that are not as good as this, albeit not many. Thank God for RUclips...of course, I was a Music Composition student, and had heard of Hummel before, but at 54 years of age, am just discovering how good of a composer he was. Slow movement suggests Chopin...
I’m not familiar enough with this period to state this with any certainty, but in listening to Hummel’s solo piano music I do hear hints of Chopin, even an influence.
These pieces are certainly worth more hearings and study than they’ve been given in the last 100 or more years.
I find it fascinating - but nowhere near as inventive as either Beethoven or Schubert (both of whom were contemporary) - indeed it is difficult to accept that Hummel outlived both of them and yet seems to be using a somewhat older more CPE Bach-like harmonic language. There is certainly something about the ornate style that you can also see in Chopin - but Chopin elevated it to an entirely new level. Hummel, for me, misses the thematic development skill and rhythmic inventiveness of Beethoven, and the tone-colour of Schubert. Interesting, beautiful in parts, but understandable why Hummel's music has faded from popularity. All this is - of course - a personal opinion which you are most free to disagree with!!!
And the scherzo suggest Schumann. Doesn't it?
I completely disagree any Beethoven Piano Sonata is better than this
@@qwertyuiop-ke7fs yes definitely. Beethoven sonatas are more interesting.
15:36
Ask Derek Paravicini to play this.
Probabilmente in questa sonata chopin ha preso le mosse x la sua prima sonata e non x la terza come molti incompetenti dicono!
18:19
Hummel has the piano technical ability equal to Beethoven and also his personal best friend.
4楽章は少しテンポ遅いなぁ
In the same league as Beethoven.
It is the same language but not the same impact.
very nice and cleanly executed but does the pianist not read the dynamic markings? this piece is full of beethovenian contrasts and subito fortes and pianos. I think this music could be performed much, much more passionately and characteristically. all fs and ffs here are at max played mezzoforte. also I don't think the accompaniment gets nearly enough attention. very little phrasing and micro dynamics. a bit of a shame since its really a nice sonata in my opinion!
having listened to the whole thing I only have this to add: why play and even record this piece if you have nothing to say? if you don't care about it at all, don't make any interesting artistic choices, nothing artistic at all actually and just play the notes, why bother? this recording is aggressively uninteresting.
Didn't know this piece. He was quite famous in his time and you can clearly hear that he was influential for Schumann (2. mov) and Chopin (3. mov). However, it's hard for me to like this music. Sounds shallow to me.
First bars already wrong rhythm...and a handful of wrong or missing notes - not to mention voicing, dynamics and so on. I really don't get how a renowned music professor (!) who records a piece having the opportunity to check everything twice can put her name on something like that. My only explanation is that she was already quite old when doing so and her hearing and playing abilities impaired.
You seriously say that? Study music first, then you can talk since you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
@@marcoponzio1644 Yes, I do. I think it‘s a bad interpretation. You can try to convince me otherwise.
@@jakobler3474 I won't
Sinceramente nella seconda parte del primo tempo io rallenterrei di più x poi differenziare parecchio il tempo più veloce del seguito con le doppie note..a voi pianisti usate un po' di fantasia nelle interpretazioni e non suonate sempre uguale dio maiale
This recording has no balls. Does Keene know any other dynamic than piano and mezzoforte? Especially agravatig in the devlelopment section of the opening movement. It says "forte risoluto" and she plays it without any panache or contrast to what came before.
Assolutamente d'accordo con te. È suonato in modo soltanto bellino... Purtroppo è un'interpretazione che non rischia niente, anzi, sembra quasi che l'interprete cercasse di non suonare. Il risultato secondo me è un'interpretazione superficiale. Se invece di essere scritto "Hummel" ci fosse scritto il nome di un compositore più "importante", sono sicuro che verrebbe fuori un'interpretazione assolutamente diversa.
Cheap parlor music of the day. Using Beethoven in the same sentence as Hummel is a total insult to the Bonn master. Sorry that’s my opinion, go ahead and crucify me….lol
It's like using Beethoven in the same sentence as Mozart when you compare Don Giovanni with any version of Fidelio.
This isn't cheap, it is charming and beautiful, and you're an ass.
@@franzeybler1499 yeah. and in comparison beethoven‘s sonatas are by far superior to any mozart sonata.
you are an insult for the humanity, you are useless behind a device, I remind you that Beethoven is an insult from a composer for people who prefer jazz or another style and qualify it from ignorance like you, please avoid reproducing yourself, no leave offspring
The constant reliance on the same rhytmic figures is annoying ,and the mark of the lesser composer.
Weak
It reminds me of the Czerny "Velocity" studies: flashy and technical, but zero substance
RIP rythm
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