DENT REPAIR: Using PROSHAPER'S Shrinking Discs!!! 1940 Willys Hood (Pt 3)
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- On this episode of Make It Kustom, I try out my new shrinking discs from Wray Schelin's ProShaper Workshop. Along with my planishing hammer and hammer and dolly techniques, the highs and lows "equalize" with shrinking from the disc. This rare Willys hood is officially SAVED!
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You've got the gift of great explanation that sets some instructional RUclipsrs apart from the rest. Well done!
Thanks a lot John I appreciate that
Watched the whole series, what an amazing transformation! Thought at the beginning there was NO WAY to save that hood! You are a skilled craftsman! Earned my sub! 🙌🏼😱
I love watching you kid...you understand what you're doing, and you easily make me understand it too. Thanks....keep up the good work.
Thanks again Michael I really appreciate that! I’m so glad that information is coming across well
It's been an amazing transformation watching where it started and where it's at. The biggest take away is time and patience. As always I appreciate the knowledge.
Thanks Erick! It’s definitely come a long way and I’m pretty happy with the results! Patience is definitely key haha. Thanks so much for watching!
Great videos with great explanations!! You do great work and I’ve learned a ton from you. The thing I like the most of the 3 videos I’ve watched so far is you keep the language clean unlike other RUclipsrs videos! Keep up the great work!!
Hey man! Thanks for all of your hard work! I’ve learned a lot from you. Great camera work as well. You make a great team!
Thanks so much man couldn’t do it without her! It’s hard work but we love it so it’s not work at all
Is it possible to get body work good enough to not use filler? To me that panel looks like you wouldn't notice any dents after primer and paint.
My favorite new RUclips channel, really enjoying learning your process ! Thank you !
Wicked!! We’re stoked! Thanks so much for checking us out and for the kind words 👊🏼
One of the better shows especially discussing hammer and dolly and torch shrinking. Keep up the good work.
Man I love to see real skill not just buy new parts and bondo. You sir have mad skills!
Thanks very much, sir!! Much appreciated man 🙏🙏 Thanks for watching!
Dude you and the channel are a gift to us!!! Thankyou
Hi i'm certainly not an expert on body work, but I watched a whole load of Wray Schelin's videos and i'm almost certain he said to leave the marker pen on the panel as a lubricant and to help stop the shrinking disc from galling on the panel...
haha great reason for a new tool needed now
Hell ya dude!!! Gotta have that
You do absolutely amazing work! Can't wait for more video's! I've already learned something that I can use! Thanks!
Thanks so much Marty! Happy to hear you’re finding it helpful!
Love the show, I am learning some good tips. Thanks
Hey there! That’s so great to hear! Stoked you’re finding the videos helpful!
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If on the disc you put 2 small longitudinal opposite humps so as it spins it hits the panel in to shape, has any one made this tool and will it work?
I like that You Straighten the Metal and Not Just pack it full of Bondo, I have learned some New tricks from You Thanks Bud
(IT'S ONLY MY SUGGESTION , )....... I think that if you where to use a well worn 4 inc 120 grit sanding disc or a new clean and strip disc using a lot of water to cool it down you would have strunk that area much faster and not crystallize the metal which (in your case been a early model hood that is made from metal with plenty of carbon ) , would have made the job easier and faster . NOT TO MENTION that , those shrinking discs are far too dangerous . I have used one of those ( ''shrinking discs '' ? ) Once before and.... I will never use one again for quite a few number of reason . BUT AGAIN THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION.... by the way..have you ever try a heavier slapper with teeth rather then a polished one for a job such as the hood ?
I must say watching you triggers something deep down in many of us- to give so much of yourself thru almost a physical artistry of hard work- leaving behind a bit of yourself in what you recreated. We all need to do more things that are tangible reflections of our spirit. This said from an old retired flooring guy! You gave great tips for my project 1969 Sport Fury! Peace brother.
If you aren't getting steam off the metal from running the disc, it isn't doing hardly anything....,
Omg 😅😅😅and you sprayed wd40 on bare metal..... i don't think I've ever seen anyone do that ever before.....lol
This was just impressive!
Shrinking discs, learn something new everyday. Thank you for sharing!!
Great to hear you’re leaning something new. These are a game changer
I really appreciate these videos. A big difference from the usual Bondo artists I see on RUclips.
Some use metal some use Bondo lol in the end they look the same though
@@MakeItKustom I should elaborate a bit. I use Bondo as well. It's a fine product when used as intended. Unfortunately I see too many paint and body 'pros' use the stuff the wrong way. BTW, I'm very impressed with your skills. You're a very talented young guy. Lately I've been in slump, numerous projects not making any progress. Watching your vids had motivated me to get off my ass.
I’ve followed you on Instagram for years!! I barely found your channel! Some great content here 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Right on man thank you for coming over! I think I like this platform a lot more than Instagram although I will still keep up with it over there as well cheers!
Great job. You have a skill set which is an dieing art form. Never give it up!
Greatly appreciate that, thanks so much!! 🙏
Not by any means saying you're doing the shrinking wrong, but I've watched others using the grinder shrinker disc and they use it 'til the metal gets very hot so when they spray the water on it, it steams off. That is what causes the shrink to take place. But since I have never used it myself, that is only what I've seen multiple time as others use it. IDK, just passing on how others use it... Thumbs Up for your channel.
Yes it’s hard to tell that it’s steaming because I’m only concentrating on very small places during this. But believe me it’s getting hot and it’s definitely working. Thanks so much for your feedback!
@@MakeItKustom so I absolutely love your channel I’m just starting to teach on my channel as well but I thought I’d help in an area I’m proficient at. The shrinking disc needs to have a 6k rpm grinder to make it work like it should. If it’s higher than that it’s hard to control and if it’s lower it takes forever. Your description talking about the golf ball dent you can actually shrink even that down with it. Anyhow I hope that tid bit helps you keep up the great content 👍🏻
I love the way you teach, well done
That makes me really happy to hear that. I really appreciate that man! Glad to know I’m headed in the right direction!
@@MakeItKustom Yes 100% excellent info, thank you.
Nice! I’m not even into bodywork but I like learning. Thanks for the video.
Knowledge is power! Glad that you enjoyed the content anyway! Thank you for watching
Thank you for the Demo on shrinking great info. I have some kinks in my roof of my 1955 210 chevy near the back of the car like someone sat on it. Great Job!
Great evolution of the operations in 3 parts! Skills +++. good for you with the ear protection dude!!! Nice work!
The shrinking disk will most definitely take out a golf ball size dent protruding out. Wray took a hammer to the inside of a NOS fender of mine from the 1960s and shrank it out with one pass with his 7” disc. I immediately bought his disk set at his class I was taking. Awesome tool he invented.
This video series has been really inspirational. I used what I learned to get some dents out of panels in my car. Remove 1/2" of filler from the rear valance, which looks like oatmeal with a tonne of dents, but i'm hoping I can get me a slapper and try out these techniques on it! Keep it up and keep em coming!
That’s so rad!! I love hearing that these videos are helping people with their projects! Thanks so much for watching, and keep up the awesome work!
One of the best channels on RUclips! It’s crazy how guys with such talent and great teaching like you don’t get more views but just wanted to let you know I’m out here appreciating you putting the time into sharing this!
Thanks so much for the wicked compliment!! We’re stoked you’re enjoying the channel so far. We just started this channel at the end of this April, so we’re really happy with how much it’s been gaining traction thanks to the help of some shoutouts from a couple great builders on here. Thanks for your support! Cheers!
Can you tell me the rpm on your polisher? Wray says a grinder is needed as polishers don't go fast enough, but mine is variable speed up to 3,000 rpm which sounds like the speed of yours and is close to the 4500 that I think Wray suggested. I'd rather use my polisher than buy a 9" grinder just for this.
Karl, I'm at this point right now with the hood on my 69 VW Squareback. I didn't realize how quick my English Wheel moved metal - I got carried away. Now I have to do some shrinking. I watch this video and purchased Wray's shrinking discs kit. I also have the Makita 9" angle grinder. How did you get the shrinking disc to fit without the spindle protruding from the disc? I've purchased different bushings and still the spindle sticks out past the disc.
At 10:03 you mention the Makita is a buffer. I just watched this video by Wray Schelin and he mentioned (@7:45) that some buffers are not capable of 4500-6000 rpms that's why he recommends a grinder. Just thought I would pass that on.
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Funny you should be working be working on a Willys. My next door neighbor (older gentleman) has four Pre-WWII Willys Hotrods ('40 and '41 are the dates I remember). A Fire Engine Red one, a yellow one, a flat Black panel (truck/van ?), and one in his other garage that's still in parts, waiting for some attention. What little I can see of it under the piles of stuff, it still looks stock. He's got a couple of three buddies in the neighborhood that are also into Hotrods. I get treated to a mini-carshow from time to time. The guy down the block has a purple, open top, chopped Model T, wide rear tires. They're all classic Hotrod style, not Rat-Rods.
My neighbor just came back from a show down near Bakersfield, CA. , and said his panel truck was a hit ( Yes, he did trailer it down there)
You would approve of how he's detailed them out.
Thanks for covering shrinking disks. I've been wondering about them for years. Useful to know (everything I own is dented, rusted, or both).
Most people would of said that bonnet was scrap. Just shows how highly skilled you are. It’s a big hello from over the pond in England 🏴
Cheers from Canada! Thanks so much Andrew! I’m stoked with how much of it I was able to smooth back out
@@MakeItKustom I was surprised too that planishing hammer you made is life saver and I bid on something similar but missed out on one but it wasn’t adjustable like yours.
I just wish I’d of got into metal shaping 30 years back not when I was 48 2 years back old now takes much longer using hammers. Lol
I’m hoping mrs buys me some metal shaping goodies soon for my 50th I can hope 😊
Super boulot !! J'adore vraiment ce que tu fais .. quelle dommage que je ne comprends pas ce que tu dis !!😥👍👍👍
As much as you do this I’d think you’d have a Patterned LED PDR light to facilitate your work. See for example ruclips.net/video/vfOo-cv5xN4/видео.html
The marker also is used a a lubricant to keep it from gall the disk as well. . Wray uses a high speed grinder not a buffer to create heat quickly you need the heat from the high speed to move the metal and to cool it quickly with water or a very wet rag to shrink itback
I really enjoy your videos and i am just trying to share and be helpful not critical. Thank you for all you share with us!
36 radius would be half the circle, it's a 6 foot circle so twice as big and pantomimes. I'm sure Karl knows 5hat but just mismotioned.
You should review Wray's video "Shrinking Disc Tips and Tricks". He contradicts a lot of what you say and do in this video.
I like the beavercleaver tool and I would loooove to have a shrinking disc 4me big butt! Lol
This was most interresting stuff Sir. Thx for showing !
Great channel and info. I'm glad to see everyone commenting and appreciating the hard work you're doing, not to mention the filming, editing, and actually knowing how to explain the processes you use.
I just stumbled on this video today, and I think you said you use the disc on your variable polisher. The disc is supposed to be used at about 6000 rpm. The polishers doesnt go that fast to create the heat you need. I watched the guy who manuf. this disc, and that s his own words. There should be some steam as you sprayed the surface after the use of the disc.
A appreciate that you show a full range of techniques, from backyard beating to coach building, plus the shop built tools you use.
Amazing way you teach. I haven't seen anyone teach like you! Keep up the great work.
Thanks for the feedback I appreciate that!
Revisit Wray’s videos. He runs the disc on the marker as a lubricant to avoid sparks and galling. He just says that if you have too much marker it can prevent heat build up. He does not recommend running the disc on bare metal.
Hi Karl, just a thought on the big marker pen. Wray does say in his video that be uses it as a bit of a lubricant and I've found you can leave it on. It still heats up but immediately it shows the highs and lows without the flat sanding. Thanks
Seus vídeos são excelentes, gosto muito quando você mostra técnicas manuais isso porquê não possuo ferramentas industriais ou elétricas.
Using these techniques on the rear quarters on my '68 coupe... wish me luck. LOL
I'd love to see how you would repair a flat panel that's been almost folded on itself that needs to be folded back out to a flat surface with the edges that are folded over 90 degrees have the rips repaired by mig welding them. I'm assuming that would be easy enough but it's getting the tension out of the panel, getting it flat that I'm interested in. I have a rear tool box area of a 1942 Dodge WC-51 and the rear panel on either side of the tailgate looks like someone backed into a fence post and effectively crushed the whole panel in.
Thanks for the video Karl and I look forward do getting your advice mate.
That heavy metal is hard to move. one reason i did very little in my 51 Fargo. In the woodworking world its called character.
A guy that likes filler would never go this far.
Sure like the planishing hammer.
Great video. How much does all the work you are doing affect the steel? Does it get weaker or more brittle, prone to cracking?
Excellent. And I thought craftsmanship was lost in this country.
I'm not understanding how the shrinking disc will shrink the metal with heat when heat causes metal to expand???
The disk is a finesse way to move metal. Actually you want the sharpie to lubricator the disk so that it doesn’t over heat and Gaul the metal. Ray always ads sharpie to the metal when he goes back over it as an aid. The disk does remove the sharpie as it warms up and that shows the area you were working. He doesn’t ever use the disk without adding more sharpie. Again it helps identify where the work is being done and it acts as the lubricant needed when using this much friction on metal. But if you can do it and get away with it then koodos. I keep marking it before each application with disk. It works best for me that way.
If you dont remove or killl the rust wont you be transferring that rust on to the disk an then to what every you use that disk on from there on out
Wow learning a lot of my mistakes and making your tools bro nice teaching us old farts for our little projects helps so much thanks my man.
I sure wish I were closer to your part of the world, I have a quarter panel I need to metal finish and I really can't afford to get it wrong, guidance from an artist would be very welcome.
Im in the process of replacing the other door skin on my 82 c10, the advice you gave in one of videos on hammer and dollie really helped on getting the flange bent back over the inner structure.
Thanks for the feedback man I’m so happy to hear that you could use some of the information in the video!
Can you use a shrinking disc on the backside of the panel, to protect the paint, or is the heat of the friction gonna fry the paint regardless?
Wray said the magic marker gives a slight lubrication for the shrinking disc.
Excellent instructional video, you’re going to have that hood better than it came new
Ha ha I’m not sure about that but thank you so much!
Once again love your channel. You have such pleasant demeanor as you educate. I'm hooked.
I really appreciate that Brian! I’m stoked to hear that! Thanks so much for watching
Looks interesting but seems more like it would just sand the high spots down. 🤷🏼
Probably a dumb question but why not hammer and dolly while it's still hot?
Thanks for the videos. Helped me understand the work. Using it on my 54 belair build
Amazing!! Stoked we could help you with your build! Thanks so much for watching 🙏
brother you truly are a good tradesman keep up the great vids doing up wb ute in australia learned heaps happy hammering
love the vids man! subbed! look forward to using the things i have learned on my channel projects. Keep it up!
Great to hear man! Welcome!
Dude, you wasted ink and sandpaper with that perfection!
THANKS FOR SHARING MAKE IT CUSTOM AND HARD COR FAB ARE AWESOME THANKS FOR THE GREAT CONTENT AND VIDS
Wonderful detailed explanation! Thanks
Great vid but please no pounding music, it's distracting
Great video , i was all ready thinking about getting a shrinking disc to help repair my 56 Belair hood before seeing this.
so i will get one now . thanks for doing the great videos. cant wait to see the progress on the 60 caddy body drop .
That’s awesome! You’re going to love this shrinking disc!! Thanks so much for watching and we’re happy you found the video helpful for your project!
Great series of vids...I'm learning a lot and it is impressive to see the transformation. Nicely done.
Thanks man glad you’re learning something! Thanks for watching cheers
Man, glad I found your channel! I too used a polisher for the shrinking disk, until I heard Wray state the reason for the grinder. More speed means more heat and a faster shrink.
Hey John! Glad you found our channel as well, thanks for checking us out! Thanks for clarifying that for me, that makes a lot of sense. I’ll have to try that out one day
Regarding the shrinking disk, I recall the manufacturer specifically citing the use of marker ink to guard AGAINST metal on metal contact, forestalling gauling- exactly the opposite of what was advised here.
Hmmm yes you are probably right it’s funny tho so many other shrinking disc guys don’t lubricate at all
Kkkk this restauretion give a lot of work !! May god!
I so wish l had a shrinking disc 30 years ago. Had an oil-canning problem on my van sides and l shrank (with a torch) and hammered and dollied and over and over and never got it right.
Does it get to the point when a couple of coats of primer would make it perfect but you still keep going? I mean, how much is your time worth? You know, diminishing returns? Love watching your work, and that '39 Zepher is my dream car as well. Make it beautiful!
Yeah Peter Certainly not all projects you would take this far. This particular hood is worth the effort. Most are not. I like to take into account what the project is and what standards are being set. Some things I’m completely fine with an eighth of an inch of filler because that’s very quick to get within and move on But like I say others are worth the time
Hey, would it be possible for you to cover how to repair rusted front windshield columns. Both my '83 Subaru Brat. and my '79 Chevy 3/4ton P/U have that issue.
Specifically on those probably not. But you will learn the techniques by watching these videos
I understand they are LOUD, but that doesn't seem to come across here
Pueden ayudarnos con su títulos al español porfabor
I myself do metal work love it an thanks for sharing 👍
Set a large grinder on high with fine wet and dry grade diamond paste ?
likewise, elementary courtesy would have lead to include a link to Wray Schelin's ProShaper Workshop youtube channel...
Thanks for the suggestion
Hey maybe you could you use the ink dobbers from bingo night at the casino to reveal the highs/lows??? 😂❤️🤙🏻🤘🏻
Man that’s a great idea!!
Another great video you need to do video on how you got a good woman to hang out in the garage with you LOL keep doing what you are doing it works
Hey man there’s no way to explain that one! I definitely won the lottery there!
I think you just solved my issues I have to work through with my cowl dent. Where do you find those slappers?
At Wray Shelin's miracle website 😊
This is odd. I have always used the heat shrink method. With a torch, hammer and dolly with a bucket of water and wet rag.
41 year experienced Collision Repair.
Me too actually this is the first I’ve use the shrinking disc and it’s really blowing my mind. The hammer dolly Torch heat shrink still has its place.
I have one of these discs but it's the smaller 4 and a half inch size. The smaller grinder spins it faster so it's more aggressive and heats up the panel quicker then I used a very wet cloth straight out of a bucket so it quenched the heated panel quicker and encouraged shrinking. It seemed to work quite well, I used it to help smooth out a section on a rear quarter that I'd done some localised heat shrinking to help smooth out the resulting hammer marks. It certainly saved time to get to a stage where it was a thin skim with filler. I'd like to try the larger one you have as it should help to level out a larger area. Good video, I've just subscribed to your channel! A big thumbs up from the Shetland Isles at the far north of Scotland!
That’s awesome Larry! I’ll have to try it with a grinder one day! Thanks so much for watching and keep up the awesome work!
Is there any abrasive (like diamond dust) on the surface of the shrinking disk? Or is it simply polished stainless steel? Also - it might be very interesting to use a thermo camera to show the heated locations created by the shrinking disk. Thank you for another very interesting video.
It’s simply bare stainless it’s not polished
Great video! I really like the way you explain it.
Carl you work miracles with metal, I don't know if you'll be making #4 on the hood, you may be finished with it, anyway I'm waiting if you are.
Thanks a lot man I appreciate it I’m not sure if I’m doing another one on that hood but we are definitely stoked how far it’s come
I want to get one of your planishing hammers saving my money for it
This is great content! I watched every second of all three of these videos for this hood! Great work and craftsmanship
Thanks man I appreciate it!
Wray isn’t a fan of sand scratches on his panels! For me, its difficult to read the panels without his enormous experience and talent. Ill continue to watch and learn how other people work their panels and hopefully become more proficient. Thanks for the video
Thanks so much for watching! It’ll all get easier and make more sense over time! It’s always great to see how other people use the same tools and their methods. I’ve learned so much from others that way. Keep it up 👊🏼
Hair spray will remove the Ink easily..
How many '000s for that repair??