Jam Bands - Southern VS Deadheads
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- Baxter and Jonathan break down why Jam band music is so successful and important. From the Grateful Dead to Phish to The Allman Brothers Band to Derek Trucks, Jam Band Music is as popular as ever!
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Little Feat. One of the very best live bands of all time.
Lowell George went before his time... Unfortunately Little Feat never had a chance to really develop and explode... their canon is quite limited unfortunately. An amazing band for sure though.
I was a driver for a festival awhile back now. I took Little Feat from the hotel to the venue and they were SO friendly. They invited me to have lunch with them back stage as well. Legendary.
Is the fact the Little Feat is from Los Angels the reason they are left off so many lists of “southern bands”? Jam bands or otherwise.
jam band? Live band: Heck yeah. But jam?
God DAMN Little Feat sooo good.
What’s really cool is the giant awesome surge of bluegrass bands infused with jam in the past decade, spearheaded by Yonder in the early 2000s. Such a cool scene!
Agree
Most criminally underrated guitar player in rock: Bob Weir. It’s a rare thing to find a guitarist that can improvise extended leads without repeating himself, but it’s even rarer to find someone that can provide backing without doing the same thing
underrated? i assumed everyone thought he was the best rhythm guitarist of all time.
@@sunbee3 Malcom Young, Keith Richard's, Pete Townshend, Warren Haynes, and countless others may disagree.
True! Granted, his singing voice sounds like the drunk guy on the bus, but that's okay!
THANK YOU
Bobby has the chops of some of those older jazz cats like McCoy Tyner; he even talks about modeling his sound after those guys a little bit in his netflix documentary. I try very hard to His playing these days is not as sharp or expansive and jazzy as it was in the 70s, and he mainly plays very few chords and just does a lot of single-note stuff, but in the 70s he was absolutely playing just like any of the other top jazz cats on the same level. Plus his tone was much sweeter and warmer with his humbuckers in his 335s back then as opposed to his single coil jangly popping sound he has now. It's totally fair that his playing style changed over the years, but I would absolutely love seeing him return more to his humbuckers and more chord-based, jazzy style he used to do so well.
I don't know why Jimmy Herring isn't a household name brand. His unique sound and techniques are unparalleled in my opinion. His solo albums remain some of my favorite instrumental music on the planet.
Sunday, October 18th, 2020; 3:18 am, 4% battery life, 21 years old... I've decided to get into jam bands.
Thanks for the video!!
Start with ABB and widespread then move onto gd then phish. Easiest progression
Back in the mid 70's the Allman Brothers and the Dead were doing shows together. Each had their own set and third set was a combo. AWESOME!
Great Jam Bands has to include Hot Tuna.
That would have been amazing to see/ hear in person!!!
Yess, those shows are goooood
@@guitarjonathan look on you tube there is a full show
@@jayvig37 I will, thanks!
They did a huge show together at Watkins Glen race track in upstate New York right after Woodstock.
Oteil is also an awesome “Bridge” between the 2 camps!! ✌🏻
i never thought of marshall tucker as a jam band, but they sure did jam
Listen here on youtube 24 hrs at a time live ( where we all belong ) blue ridge mtn skies .. for some jam sessions in your car
Any of their live stuff, they really jammed on some songs
I have told my wife to stop me when I get going too deep into Grateful Dead rambling, especially when she knows I'm the only one in the room who cares about Alembic electronics and feedback cancelling microphones. Luckily she appreciates the music too though (at least the stuff that's not TOO spacey), so she lets me play it all the time at home and in the car. Grateful they allowed practically all of their stuff to be recorded!
Bruh, same
I had the good fortune to work at Capricorn Studio where the Brothers recorded in the 70s.
Duane was the initial glue that brought them together to rally under a single cause, the love of music, and particularly the love of the roots of the music legacy they were born into. And it is a testament also of his love of American music that R. Berry Oakley Iii, who was born in Chicago, I believe, understood exactly what Duane was putting forth in the forming of the Allman Brothers Band. A purity of soul, the joy of rock, the freeform of jazz, the unencumbered expression of all emotion. And it was all done, never straying too far from it's spiritual parental root. Out of love and respect and by breathing young life into its long history, proving that it can be done and in the process revealing it's continued relevancy to this world.
Each lovely member of the ABB, was a strong versatile talent in themselves. As they say, a force to be reckoned with! Duane was a true genius, as he hand picked the band. Each member bringing a strong presence of their individuality which they never let override their single mission: to play only for the love of the music itself.
All of the members of the ABB were incredibly lovable good guys! And i thank them all for all those wonderful sweet years of fantastic music!
You are loved! ♥️......and missed so much!♥️
I can’t begin to explain how much I love this comment. Thank you for sharing this!!
Believe me, I know I can feel Duane’s presence in that music today, at 28. His emotion just pours out of that guitar. Losing him at 24 had to be the worst imaginable heartbreak. That sadness is also something that I can still be felt today.
Some days I get pretty worked up because I am too young to have seen the original band, by a long shot... and it just sucks that they aren’t around. I love Derek & Warren, but the original 6 has yet to be touched in my opinion. D&W are incredibly fantastic, and the notion that the original band has yet to be topped is just a testament to how the original 6 was that much more incredible.
How the hell did 18+ minutes go by without mention of Lowell George and Little Feat?
Seriously!?!? Wtf
Yes!! Little Feat is essential here.
One of my absolute favorite bands!!!!
Seriously..
@Bobby Boykin They were definitely not considered southern rock, and they weren’t a jam band.
I recently found out that many parts in songs I thought was Jerry playing ( scarlet, China cat etc.) were actually Bobby parts! And all this time I have been saying to my self , “where is Bobby in the mix? I can’t hear him at all!” Well it turns out that it wasn’t Bobby I couldn’t hear, it was Jerry the infamous tie salesman!
Ha. I had a Jerry Garcia tie when I was 18.
Bobby was more than a pretty face. Thanks, Deadcast!
Yeah Jerry's rhythm parts were very subtle most of the time. Just playing the basic chords, holding down the beat while Bobby provided the texture and color of the song
This is true to me also. Lotta solo style rhythm licks and chord styles, but also a lot of the accent noises and parts are bobby as jerry is on pure lead
As someone who grew up on heavier rock music, Umphreys McGee got me into the jam band scene.
As a guy coming from the metal/alternative/jazz/prog world, UM dispelled all the notions I had about "jam bands" living in the stylistic shadow of Grateful Dead or Allman Brothers
UM is how I strive to play
There is no vs here for me. I grew up in VA surrounded by southern rock , blues and soul. Led Zeppelin and Allmans were huge influences. Grateful Dead shows from 90-95. Phish shows from 93-01, Panic and String Cheese.
I feel blessed that this has been the sound track to my life.
A phish jam is like walking through the forest on a trail. It wends and winds this way and that until eventually, sometimes, the path opens up into an INCREDIBLE vista overlooking the perfect sunset. First saw them in 90’ and lost count of my shows. Saw the Allmans and panic back in the 90’s a bunch as well. Also excellent but much more roots/blues based and less experimental.
I had never heard the Outlaws when I was in High School and a friend took me to their concert. It was amazing! They played Green Grass and High Tides for a solid 30 minutes or more and I was hooked on Jam Bands.
Very cool! I actually got to play a show with Harvey Dalton Arnold (former member of the Outlaws) a few years back. They're a fantastic and probably underrated band for sure!!
Need to mention Colonel Bruce Hampton with a multiplicity of bands and musicians he hit the stage with. The shows were always fun and expansive.
Yes yes, how could they over look he?
Houser era Panic is the greatest rock and roll show I’ve ever seen.
WSMFP!!!!
All the jam bands are the best. My top 5 are the Dead, the Radiators, WSP, Phish & SCI. Also too are the Allman Bros, Govt. Mule, Leftover Salmon, Moe., Particle, the late great Colonel Bruce Hampton and everything he did, Les Claypool and everything he has done, Cornmeal and YMSB. And others. Nothing like get lost in all the long jams. Thanx for posting this.
great conversation! so glad i discovered jam bands in highschool at 16. changed my life. 20 now and im addicted! the music never stops!
Absolutely Love the Allman Brothers and the Grateful Dead! Never could get into Phish! But everything you said about a Phish show began with the Grateful Dead!
Phish actually did go on Hiatus twice. The second time for 5 years.
@Eric Henderson 5 weeks in the summer, maybe a week in the fall, NYE at MSG, Mexico. Hardly “constant touring”
True that. History a bit off, but interesting piece
@@DerBlutenPat1348 LMAO that's considered constant for the size of their fanbase - what band of their magnitude has a more constant touring schedule? But also do not forget all the 80s and much of the 90s they toured year round. Did you think before your idiotic comment?
@@DerBlutenPat1348 It's constant considering they do it every year and not just when they have an album they're trying to promote.
They weren’t touring as phish but they we all doing side projects & touring with there bands especially Trey!
My dad would catch fish performances in Vermont at the dive bars while he was at college at burke, still his favorite band today
I grew up a deadhead in New Hampshire and was lucky enough to see Phish play at the University when I didn't even know who they were in 86, we thought they had spelled it wrong on the flyer.
I've been playing for 30 years and Trey is the only guitarist that consistently blows my mind.
38 shows and counting. Amazing band.
Awesome discussion and thanks for the memories. Still live in Wisconsin, and was in high school in the mid 90s. Alpine Valley was an amazing place to be at that time. Some of the best shows I have seen in my life were there with some of the bands you have talked about, and others like them.
Thanks for watching!
I love jam bands because it's an extension of Jazz. Dead vs Southern is all based on what flare the bands choose to use, Blues, Soul, Bluegrass, Funk, country or rock. Regardless of style, the core concept of what they're all doing together is what the Jazz musicians of the 50s were doing. It's all based on spontaneity and exploration of multiple musicians finding their way together. Several Jazz studio recordings the 50s and early 60s were just musicians playing together spontaneously while recording the sessions. They would release the record, many on blue note records and that was it, never to be played that way again. Duane Allman was introduced to Jazz by Jaimoe, who originally wanted to be a Jazz drummer. Duane told the story of how he went to his place and saw all of these jazz records he'd never heard of before, they would listen and it opened up his mind as well as Dickey Betts. Hot 'Lanta and In memory of Elizabeth Reed really stepped up the band as to what they were capable of expanding to do outside of blues during the Duane years. That Fillmore east album is the greatest live album ever recorded and it embodies what those Jazz musicians were trying to do in the 50s. Why I love Jam bands, southern and the dead/phish. Glad I discovered you guys, I swear you two talking are taking things right out of my head and speaking them. I with I was alive and attended that show at Watkins Glenn with the dead and The Allman brothers band. Great breakdown guys.
Mountain Jam may be the Mecca jam of all jams. Jerry Garcia and Duane Allman start jamming while playing "There is a mountain" by Donovan. I wish I were alive to have seen The Grateful Dead and The Allman Brothers Band together at that 200,000 crowd show at Watkins Glenn.
While I might not agree with everything you posted (greatest album ever), I just wanted to say, "well said." Interesting post.
@@bronzepour It's the best live album I've listened to thus far in my life. How's that?
yea that concert wouldve been magic
Every band you mentioned is amazing! No need to separate them into categories. Just great music! Religious experience is a great way to describe them! Thanks for exposing your audience to this beautiful music! And the audience is a family! Thanks for the great content.
Agree totally!!! Thanks for watching! 😊
Jam bands are incredible! I’m currently in the process of starting at Stoner Metal Jam Band! Like Black Sabbath riffs with improvised Cream style jams!
Check out " Earthless"...
Like Kyuss. The vocalist of QOTSA is a member of that band
@@spaghetti.lee-69 I’m a huge Earthless fan!
Gov't Mule when Allen Woody was alive was just incredible.
I can tell you the first time I saw Mule was in 1995ish at Ziggy's in Winston-Salem NC. Out of the gate they went straight into Where's My Mule. I had never heard and felt so much power come off of a stage in my life.
Mule in the power trio days was absolutely amazing.
I was 17 in 1984 when I went to my first Grateful Dead concert in Syracuse NY. My latest concert was in November 2019 at the Majestic Theater in Dallas, TX to see the Tedeschi Trucks Band. I can name other big names I saw in between those years like SRV and Jimmy Paige. JAM Bands keep the soul of Rock and Roll going today. Glad that Baxter and Jonathan made this video.
Thank you!!! I feel like all these guitar focused RUclips channels overlook the jamband world. There is some insanely high musicianship in that scene. Great to see someone talk about it.
My teacher once almost sold a 50’s strat to Jerry. Said he was a really nice guy.
That's awesome!
Love it. Any more to the story?
Jonathan Robinson Yeah man. That guy has some crazy stories: he’s lived.
Jason Mobbs Yeah man. It was like a 57 or 59. Story goes,Jerry was in town, heard my teacher had one, and wanted to buy it from him. Jerry was gonna put the pickups in one of those custom deals he had( keep in mind, this was the 70’s and that wasn’t as blasphemous back then😂) But my teacher pulled out of the deal and kept the guitar. He said Jerry was really cool about it, and that he was a really nice guy.
@Kevin Buck Yes, anybody can. I would say though that, being he’s been a professional musician his entire adult life, his stories, as wild as they sound, are most likely true. He’s done session work in the Atlanta since the late 70’s. His guitar work can even be found on the early 80’s pop tune, “Key Largo.”
He ran in the same circles as Dickey Betts, and Gregg Allman after Duane died. He even did a short series of Gig alongside Roy Buchanan. I know it all sounds crazy, but i’ve seen the receipts. Its nuts. But anyway, stay safe man!
Aquarium Rescue Unit had Jimmy Herring (now Widespread although I prefer his solo stuff) and Oteil Burbridge (now with Dead) and later version had Kofi Burbridge (Tedeschi Trucks). ARU is keeping all these bands going. Amazing musicians.
Definitely!!
+ Apartment q-258. RIP Col. Bruce. Bruce's later band, the Codetalkers, was also phenomenal; the lead guitarist and vocalist Bobby Lee Rodgers is great; their drummer, Tyler Greenwell, is now with Tedeschi-Trucks.
@@bomagosh1252 Jeff Sipe on Drums
My favorite thing about (I think) all of these jam bands is how they build tension and release it. Not every song but at least a few every show. Just scramble my brain for 10 minutes and bring it all back into the hook or the chorus my god -- i like a lot of rock and see non-jam shows and have a good time but that's the magic I can't get enough of.
I love y'alls shop and I just happened to click this video without even realizing who made it!
The dead was the Americana/roots/bluegrass jam band Phish is the funk/jazz jam band. The Allmans Brothers are Southern Blues Rock with a funky drag, Tedeschi Trucks carries the Altman’s torch and pushes it forward like Phish did the Dead’s with Susan’s Blues chops, and Derek’s multi-cultural influences.
This guy on the right should listen to Working man's Dead.
I force them to listen to the dead every now and then:) it’s a slow steady drip of turning them to the dead side!
@@CasinoGuitars Come hear Uncle Johns band , by the Riverside , Got some things to talk about , Here beside the rising Tide . . .
Lol the Grateful Dead is country music for people who like lsd....
@@Deadhead710 hip hop ,skateboredin , dab head , sugaree , the other one ,bertha , DarK sTAR , H. I. O. T. W. .
@@Deadhead710 true to an extent, there’s more to their catalog that is far from it
I didn't really get into jam bands until I was in grad school in the mid-1990s. My first Phish show was Raleigh 1996. I cross the divide regularly. Three bands I will always try to catch if they're in the area (Wilmington and Raleigh are my usual spots and I don't generally travel around for shows, though I did see Phish's two-night run in Charleston, SC last summer) are Phish, Mule, and Panic. I've also seen Umphrey's McGee and moe multiple times and I am really into a few of the jammy bluegrass groups, especially Infamous Stringdusters and Greensky Bluegrass. I'm starting to see some of the newer groups popping up as possible successors to these legends, particularly Goose and a few others who seem to be developing a following. I already have tickets to see Dead & Company, Umphrey's, and Phish in the coming months, so its going to be a great summer.
Jam bands are king for me! And I like almost all kinds of music. Grateful Dead will always be my first love. So happy and joyous with the incredible amalgamation of country and rock and jazz and more! This was a great video, guys! You could’vedone a whole hour and a half on this. Thanks!
ABB offshoot Sea Level. Jimmy Nalls was a very underappreciated guitar player. Chuck, Jaimoe and Lamar tough to beat. Great to hear jam band enthusiasts out there. ABB will always be my go to. Love Panic, Stringcheese, Phish. Just got turned on to Perpetual Groove. Getting me through these not cool times.
Sea Level is great!!! 🤜🤛
Warren Hanes is a crossover. Plays Allmanesque and Jerryfied riffs.
I don't really think of Gov't Mule as southern rock though can i see why people do. Maybe it just crosses over too much for me to pigeonhole them as southern rock.
@@fredhurst2528 I don’t think The Mule is southern rock, at least not by strict definition. I even think they have a sound of their own. Very unique sound. Haynes played with the Allman Brothers which puts him in southern rock royalty. I’ve seen him playing Jerry’s ‘Wolf’ and ‘Tiger’ guitars. He is his own thing. Then he produced the first Markus King album. He is a solid figure in southern rock but not strictly.
And he literally has played with both The Dead and the Allmans, as well as many other GD side projects such as the Phil Leah Quintet
Warren can do whatever TF he wants
I contributed to the delinquency of a minor in about ‘95 when The Derek Trucks Band came over to my college apartment to smoke weed after a show. I think Derek was about sixteen at the time. I still can see him sitting on the fireplace taking a rip off the house bong.
I hadn't connected with Phish yet until I saw this video tonight but I lookrd one up on youtube (Everything's Right) and I can feel the fun :-) thanks
they blew up when blues traveler put on the Horde Tour early 90's the Jam Band Lallapaloosa
The Dead, Allmans Bros, and Phish are the kings period. I like many of the talented jam bands out there, but the big three does it for me.
You misspelled widespread panic
great video, I love jam bands. I feel like jam bands are an extension of jazz and then fusion jazz. You guys are so cool that if i ever end up buying the new PRS se hollowbody 2 piezo I will order it from y'all. Chris Robinson Brotherhood was a great jam band, there are way tooo many to name. Jam Bands are all about the experience, the vibe.
Great video and I love jam bands..
...with all this talk of phish and the allman bros. I’m shocked you didn’t mention Les claypool’s jam projects of the mid 2000s and Dave Matthews’ projects - both historically and directly linked to trey, warren Haynes, and the entire jam circuit. Dave and Les are best friends of trey and have even been in bands with them that have released amazing records: (Oysterhead, Some Devil)
There was an entire neo-jam resurgence in the early to mid 2000s with the first bonaroo and the festivals that followed. There was an onslaught of jam bands getting out there and established names and players dabbling in the jam world. 2002-2007 was an amazing time for jam band music!
Cheers guys. Love the vids.
Some years ago, Phil Lesh opened for Bob Dylan at The Civic Center in Augusta Maine. About ten minutes into Phil's set, we started realizing that we knew other people on the stage. "Hey, that's Warren Hayes", " he that's..." We came to understand that basically Tha Allmans were backing Phil Lesh! Talk about jam band cross pollination!
I went to a show in NYC(can’t remember the venue), and both Derek Trucks, and Warren were playing with Phil(probably the same tour you’re talking about). It was just after the millennium . What a treat that was, and quite interesting. I’d love to find a bootleg, if I could only remember the venue. Too many shows to remember.
Awesomeness.
Haven't seen a show, but thankfully the spotify algorithm decided it was time for me to hear Mountain Jam off Eat a Peach. Suffice it to say it changed me and now it's a go to when I'm feeling stressed or need to unwind.
I'd been an Allman Brothers fanatic for about four years when I went to LA and found original pressings of Idlewild South, Fillmore East, and Eat a Peach. It's a rite of passage for every Allman fan to listen to one side of Mountain Jam, and immediately go to the other disc for the second half. Especially with some caps in your belly getting lost in that killer, kiiiillllerrrrr album art. God damn, I love me some Allman Brothers.
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90s phish was imo the best thing that ever happened to music. Otherworldly unfathomable energy fields disguised as music. Trey was the reason I started playing guitar. I'll forever be indebted to him for bringing me the greatest joy of my life.
never listen to phish but looooove phish shows. only seen em twice (at the gorge and randalls island in NYC) - can't wait to see em again soon. love trey, what a legend!
Greetings from the UK - I'm firmly in the ABB camp - I have far too many of their albums and I just love to play their stuff. Duane is in my top three. And Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes are such consummate guitar players. And yeah that Layla show is something, isn't it? Keep on keeping on , you guys. Stay well.
How is Grateful Dead viewed in the UK? I would consider them the most American and the greatest of all US bands.
Guy on left to barber: "Give me something that makes me look like I woke up from a 20 year nap, but lop off some so it's not uniform" 2:15
Nailed it haha
lol
I love them all there's so many wonderful jam bands y'all really did wonderful on this content I'm also from North Carolina Charlotte as a matter of fact
This is amazing talk. Love the ABB. Such a source of inspiration
Col. Bruce Hampton & The Aquarium Rescue Unit, the cult leaders of the southern jam band scene.
The Dead/Allmans weren’t running just simultaneously; They played together a few times too. There’s a show where Duane sits in on several songs(Sugar Mag, Beat it on down the line, and a few others) also one of the coolest Dark Stars features Duane.
A 73 cow palace show has Dickey and Jerry for the better part of a second set which is amazing. Liz Reed with Jerry!!
Hey man, do you remember the dates or names of these shows?
@@boywithapple741 yes! 4/26/1971 Fillmore East is the show with Duane sitting in with the Dead.
The Dark Star is from 2/11/1970
Jerry with the Allmans is 12/31/1973!
Hey @CasinoGuitars hope you guys see this! Dates included! The Allman set with Jerry is definitely something to look for.
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I see Tedeschi Trucks every year when they come through the Charlotte area. My favorite band since Revelator came out. Love Allman Bros, Govt Mule, Marcus King and Jimmy Herring. Herring is such a gentleman. He actually felt bad about taking up a spot in the Allman Bros lineup.
I saw the Dead a couple of times in the early 90s. Once, at Madison Square Garden, my friend and I were walking out when we noticed limos lined up in front of a red carpet that was roped off. We thought for sure the band was going to come out that way. So we moved through the crowd up to the ropes when the door opened up and out came this entourage with James Brown. The James Brown. The legend. The Godfather of soul. Literally within arm's reach as he walked by. I may or may not have yelled out "Oh my God! It's James Brown!" lol
And thank you for mentioning the Trey Anastasio - Derek Trucks connection when they did the Layla album. It is excellent. I think the Tedeschi Trucks channel had the whole concert up for a little while. I guess it got taken down. Such a shame as it is a must watch for fans.
Big Phan here ! Loved these 18 minutes guys. I’m a cross over, Warren and Derek are truly amazing players, I’ve seen them together in the ABB. Have seen Gov’t Mule several times, and the TTB. Derek and Susan just make me smile, happy music! Ok, I got into Phish ten years ago...being a blues player, they took a few listens. Then BOOM! Trey is a ninja, he defines guitar playing for me. I finally saw them live a year ago....mind blown! YEM, Harry Hood, Antelope and Fuego...Trey just crushed it! Thanks for the video guys, nice to see how much you enjoyed talking about this genre.
I'm just getting into guitar for the last year or so... doing lessons online. Jam bands are great and I'll tell you why. 1) As a beginner guitar player it's trivial to get a clean sound out of whatever gear you have. 2) The solo's aren't as intimidating (i.e. fast) as rock or metal can be. Mostly 8th notes or triplets are as fast as it gets, rarely 16th notes. 3) With a looper you can just sit there with the same progression going for 30 minutes while you figure out little nuances of each chord and what to play over it.
My jams right now.
Cortez the Killer (Warren Haynes / Dave Matthews)
Cortez the Killer (Grace Potter / Joe Satriani)
Angel From Montgomery/Sugaree (Tedeschi Trucks Band)
Oh... forgot Soulshine too by Gov't Mule. Love that one too.
Oh my god that Angel from Montgomery live in Austin is one of the best recordings I've ever heard. Seems like your a big Cortez Fan. My favorite is the live version from Built To Spill if you're interested in checking it out
@@epb111 I'll check it out. I am a fan, but really for me at the point it's all about tempo. If the changes are easy enough and the tempo is slow enough I can play over it. Another good one I like is Texas Sun, literally just two chords.
Those that don’t appreciate The Grateful Dead either haven’t really listened to them at all or just haven’t reached a point in their life that allows them to find the path to enlightenment. They have a song for everyone. They have a song for every occasion. They have a song for every emotion. I think I may be a fan...a deadhead.
I could listen to you guys nerd out for another hour! You two are passionate about music and it shows, bigtime. Also - Honorable mention goes to My Morning Jacket for southern rock jam band. They aren't nearly as "jamm-y" as Derek Trucks or Gov't Mule, but since around 2012 they've dramatically changed their live performance style. Three night runs without a repeating song, expansion of tracks well over 10 minutes past original runtime, and rotating setlists definitely put them in the category, though. Just about every song from their debut album has turned into a completely different beast at this point, War Begun being one of my favorites. Great video, guys!
I saw that Allman Brothers show as well where a 13 year old Derek Trucks made me feel like I was playing guitar wrong! It was at Walnut Creek in Raleigh. I saw them with my folks a few times there. Great band! Dickie Betts killed it too.
I will put both One More From The Road and Waiting for Columbus up with Live at Fillmore East.
There is Grateful Dead and then there is everything else. The rest of these bands are great but they are just that, rock bands. Dead have an historical value that none of these other acts can claim. They are directly linked to an entire era in this countries history. Never seen before and impossible to repeat.
I have no problem putting Phish there as well. The Dead came from a historical era that can’t be repeated. But Phish created something that lives inside me like the Dead. I refuse to choose. I don’t have to. No one should. It’s a big family.
@@mantashaft No need to choose mate. There is no shame in being the second greatest jamband. Just ask the Allman Brothers.
Was at that lockn show with Derek and Trey, my first fest honestly wanted to tear up when you guys brought it up and I can say all you guys have to check it out, mountain too experience for me for sure it was absolutely amazing i don’t know if I’ll ever experience magic like that again
Oh man, Alpine 19' night 3... feels like a world away right now. At it's core, it's wonderful to experience people working and creating art together. Thanks for the video and discussion guys! In my opinion, the live improvisation and present mindedness of jam bands during performances make them the zenith of live rock music. That and dirty underground local punk shows haha.
Funny how you could just look at these guys and know who they liked more.
The Grateful Dead and the Allman Brothers were quite intertwined in the early 70s
I saw Derek Trucks open for the ABB when I was 15 years old in the mid to late 90's. He was amazing even then.
DuckTalesWooHoo1987 I saw Derek in the GA theatre in 96’, he was way ahead of the curve for sure.
Had no idea you guys were in NC! I live in the Charlotte area so I definitely need to stop in and maybe have a jam with you guys! What a really cool conversation as well, I could have listened to another two hours of you guys talking about this.
Also tying things together is Warren playing and touring with the Grateful Dead
Was waiting for someone to mention Herring and Haynes played for the Dead. Nice!
Anyone who doesn’t like Jam Bands isn’t an actual fan of music. That’s a fact.
I like that idea/) we’re trying to slowly convince some of the guys at the shop their awesomeness...it’s a tough battle when they’ve made it to thirty without seeing one of their shows:)
Ridiculous statement, music is subjective
“You should”, “That’s a fact”
Very exclusionary language, you clearly are not a music lover if you are so arrogant as to draw lines on who is a “real fan” or not. Please stop this worn out trope of “muh music taste is amazing why doesn’t anyone get me”
@Francis Baxter The Grateful Dead has been my favorite band since I first heard them in 1970 when I was 12 years old. I saw them 10 or 12 times in the 70s. Whenever they went into the extended Space Jam drums bullshit I always took a walk. And I've seen Neil Young with Crazy Horse about 15 times and when Neil goes acoustic and plays Sugar Mountain and needle I go take a walk. What do you make of that?
@Francis Baxter
I'm thinking that is what happened. I never did any LSD at any Dead show.
I'm not a big fan of the drums anyway.
OK, this is the discussion that got me to subscribe. Thanks guys!
People who actually play music will always appreciate jam bands, and that's why jam bands will always be important.
Love the dead, Trey is great, but back in the 90s when there was a debate about it, dead win on lyrics.
Neither band is my cup of tea but the Dead had better vocals and lyrics in general compared to Phish, but Phish can jam pretty much anything.
The dead’s lyrics put them head and shoulders above the others.
I love all the bands Jonathan mentioned...& there is definitely a Southern "family" tree...more description will just get me in trouble.
Dead...I get it. Phish...don't get it, never will.
...a jam band video without mentioning DMB? DMB was the commercial antidote to the plastic rock 🎸 bands...
Definitely love DMB too! Thanks for watching!
Trey is my favorite creator of all time. What he is even doing right now with “The Beacon Jams” during COVID is amazing. He can recreate his songs at any moment!
I was also at Lockn festival and the Layla album was great, but seeing Derek, the night before, play with Treys band and explore the way Treys songs do, was surreal and one of my all time best live music experiences.
This is so great! Makes me smile.
While I appreciate the discussion, each and everyone of these bands owes a nod to the Grateful Dead. It’s why each one of these bands have played a Grateful Dead song or played with a member (except Billy Strings but I’m sure it will happen soon). I admit where they started, has an influence on their sound, but it’s all damn great music!
Nah, Duane was a lover of the black man’s blues. Dickey was an outlaw hillbilly country guy. Gregg had a Folk inspiration and sound. Jaimoe was a Jazz drummer until he met Duane. They definitely had love and respect for the dead, but the Grateful Dead had no influence over their sound. None of the southern bands even sound like the Grateful Dead. They’re both great but different sounds.
Allman Brothers Mountain Jam and Grateful Dead song Alligator both borrow chords from Donovan song First There is A Mountain... Per Bill Graham, Duane and Jerry were jamming to it backstage at The Fillmore East before either group performed it live
@@ashby7166 , one of Jerry Garcia's biggest early influences is Freddie King album Here's Freddie King ...
Sam Mack Sure, these two bands both owe everything to the blues artists before them as well as country/bluegrass/rock. I believe it was Bill K that said the majority of the Grateful Dead’s sound was inspired by “Dixieland Music”. These bands came up at around the same time at opposite ends of the country with very similar influences. A few songs are similar I will admit, and it’s usually the bluesy ones but could you imagine the dead playing Whipping Post? Or Ain’t Wastin Time No More? These are songs where the Allmans came in with a more powerful Skynyrd like sound.
There's a slim chance you might catch a whiff of reefer at an Allmans show too...
I'd say a decent chance indeed. 🤣 Thanks for watching!
If you go to a Widespread show that’s about all you’re gonna smell 😂
You guys have a very cool channel. Glad I was recommended it.
Got bit with the jam band bug about 3 years ago when in college a friend of mine introduced me to the Dead. That summer saw Dead and Company and Tedeschi Trucks band and then got deep into the Allmans. My dad grew up in the 70s in Georgia and grew up loving ABB. Him and I have since bonded over the whole Jam band stuff and seen Tedeschi Trucks together and Marcus King! Even got to talk to Derek and Susan this year after a show at the Ryman in Nashville! It’s a really cool scene and as a guitar player there’s no shortage of inspiration.
Yes and yes. All the Yes. Was never a big Dead fan, but they definitely carved a path for jam bands! Phish live is unbelievable, for sure. Allman Bros. though, that's the blueprint! Carry on to Gov't Mule and Tedeschi Trucks...Unreal! 🙌🏻
Edit: Players who hate jam bands as a rule...can't jam. It's essentially the nature of playing. 😂
Randy Willcox love that passion and we agree with you all the way!
So true!! Thanks for watching!
Do not discount Toy Caldwell and The Marshall Tucker Band, They Always wound up turned their shows into total Jam!!
My first thought when they moved on from the southern jam discussion. How the hell did they forget to mention Marshall Tucker and Toy?
Not to mention early CDB, Atlanta Rhythm Section, Molly Hatchet, or Blackberry Smoke for a modern example... The list goes on and on but there are some massive names that were left out of this part of the discussion.
Plus Tommy’s bass lines were amazingly twisted and complicated
Great commentary guys!...Very accurate depiction of the various jam band crowds. Only thing I would add is that both of your groups are actually one....we all love the jam bands,only difference is who do you love more,which is a question that can change day-to-day!!....:)
That is the best comment we have seen in awhile! 100% agree!!! Sincere thanks for sharing that and thanks a ton for adding to this conversation with good spirit and kindness!!!
I grew up in Palo Alto in the late 70s and early 80s so this was ground zero for the Grateful Dead. I saw my first show when I was 11 years old at the frost Amphitheater in Stanford. Since then I went on to see many hundreds of shows. They pretty much invented recent jam band music although there were many jam bands in jazz and Western swing music for decades upon decades before them. They didn't really invent anything but they pioneered a new understanding of electric American psychedelic Collective improvisation. Every other jam bands since owes them a debt of gratitude and you can hear the influences. I love Phish and widespread panic and the Allman Brothers Band and Umphrey's McGee. I think um is the most unique jam-band out there now because they draw from such a wide variety of influences. I call it hippie metal. Jam bands are so great because each show is different and each show can provide an opportunity for the band and listener to experience a state of bliss that will never be repeated again. Today there are many tribute bands to the Grateful Dead and Phish and many others. They all have a unique take on the music and they're all a little bit different, but they provide the live and in-person rapture that we don't find with bands that do not improvise.
The allman Brothers is definitely top tier. I feel like lynyrd skynyrd definitely deserves an honorable mention though, original skynyrd had some pretty great jams back in the day.
I love Skynyrd too! I guess I always got the vibe that the parts in the original Skynyrd stuff were still pretty much planned out note for note so less of an improvised jam. Not that they couldn't, just that Ronnie ran a tight ship. Lol. I could be wrong, but they're amazing either way, and honestly I was exposed to them first and probably more as a kid.
Skynyrd was great, but they don't qualify as a jamband, if anything, they were the opposite of a jamband. They played the same set night after night and, famously, didn't improvise. They were amazing at what they did and could of have been a fantastic jamband if they chose to, but they took a different route.
@@mylifeinGA exactly right. They really just specialized in note for note renditions of their songs. No jamming at all.
Love Skynyrd but not a jam band by any stretch. I would bet they intentionally decided against it because of the inevitable comparisons with the ABB - and lets be fair, who can touch the ABB on a jam.
Quick Silver Messanger Service.
There is also the "new" crop of psychedelic/garage bands like the Oh Sees and King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard. The records are great, but are just a spring board for a really wild live show that wanders pretty far into jam and territory.
Shhhhh....we don't want the phish fans to start showing up at Oh Sees shows
This!
I transcribed the lyrics and narration of the man who stepped into yesterday by hand for fun. Thank you for doing this
Oh my lord...that is insane! WTF:) I love that and thank you for sharing!
I gigged starting when I was 15 in early/mid 70's to early/mid 80's about a decade. Since then when I looked back and would tell stories of that time in my life. It would be of not just the "Rock Band" I was in. But, the "Southern Rock Band" I was in. Lynyrd Skynerd , Alman Brothers & the like. Even when we played Zepplin or Steely Dan, honestly it sounded and had a "Southern Rock" flair. I had no idea until now I was in a "Southern Rock Jam Band" You described us exactly.
And though I've never worn tie's often in my life for my career or any other reason other than a special occasion. But, I've owned a Jerry Garcia Tie since about 2000 and just recently for my wedding this last February 29th bought a 2nd JC tie. (There are a couple that are really cool)
Thanks guy
huge Phish Phan, been seeing them since 94 and almost at 100 shows. you should check out the band Goose, from CT. Great band
For me, Jam Bands fall in to three classifications.
Dead based, Zappa based, or Allman based.
But when it comes down to it, they all play Dead songs - it's Jerry's genera.
Now.. the Disco Biscuits, they are from another fucking planet.
Col Bruce Aquarium Rescue Unit, Jimmy Herring, Burbridge brothers, saw Derek Trucks with them mid '90s. I enjoy all the jam bands! The Dead have the best songs out of them all for sure. To me, jam bands are Americana at its best.
Haha guy on the left just went crazy for Phish man I love it
Grateful Dead is etched into my DNA- LSD was a major player indeed.
Also, I was at college in Vermont when Phish was becoming popular.
In my opinion the two bands are totally different, but amazing enigmas in themselves.
Phish did get a lot of popularity because of the Dead, and when Jerry passed a lot of kids got on the Phish tour.
I saw Phish play the entire white album back in the day and it was life changing. Fishman did wear a dress and get naked in a cloud of bubbles.
yeah where I was in 94-95 (AZ) Phish went from playing for 1500 to 15,000 after Jerry Passed. Good shows anyway.
@@fredhurst2528 13,500 homeless deadheads :)
@@joahyoga1995 I'm sure you are joking, in reality I did not find the expanded Phish audience to be heavy on deadheads, more like young partiers who just found out that GD shows were a great party (early 90's rowdies) and weren't really into the music, just my impression from being there.
Fred Hurst half joking ;)
Grateful Dead had more shows then all of the rest combined.
@@exactopposite 2k+ ?
All combined? Lay off the lsd hippie.
Yea panic has played 3000 something shows
@@mikesavoca7584 lmao you need a smoke a blunt bud and chill
This was worth a google. The Dead (with Jerry) played 2314 shows. Widespread Panic has played 3078.
My friend was an Allmans roadie and lived with them for a bit in Macon so I got to meet them and I've seen all these bands so many times... I've seen the Grateful Dead with Jerry 63 times, I've seen Phish 30 something times, I've seen JGB, Gregg and friends etc. You can throw in Los Lobos, plus all of the bands Oteil has been in and it goes on and on plus I saw WSP so many times in my 20s plus i got to see that 1994 Gamehendge so this is all my world you are talking about. I never thought of it as the way you have split it up..
Oh cool. Yall are from NC. Im from Fayetteville. I also saw Derek open up for the Allman Brothers at hardees walnut creek when I was a kid in the early 90s... Jimmy Herring lives right down the road in Raeford lol.