A Partial Defense of Feeding
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#splatoon3 #feeding #wincondition
Me when i super jump into a 4 v 1
I recently saw Ren (coach for Jackpot) post on Twitter about an easy way to see what areas you need to improve in. You look at replays, and look at all your deaths (from multiple perspectives). You then categorize those deaths into 4 different causes: poor positioning, lack of awareness, mechanics issue (movement, aim etc.), or a "good" death. You then count how many deaths you have in each category, and it suggests to you where to you should focus to improve.
I think it's important to recognize "good" deaths, and this video helps a lot with that :)
i should totally do that tbh, go through like 10 games (half wins half losses? dunno) and tally up my deaths, time to see what i have to improve in lol
That's actually really good advice, thanks for sharing that here!
Gem: Getting splatted CAN in SOME RARE instances POTENTIALLY be beneficial
Me: Feeding is always beneficial
Homework returned. Check your answers.
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WE MAKING IT OUT OF SUMMER SCHOOL WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣🗣💯💪🏾
@@JS-uh3ms the final exam will be confounding and difficult
As someone who plays Wiper (both kits), Inkbrush, Tri Nouveau, and Carbon Deco, I see this as an absolute win
Instructions unclear:
Jumping off the map as soon as I respawn does not make me win.
Profound sadness
Can't believe the School of Squids would lie to us like this smh
Noooo I’m literally crying and shaking right now school of squids wouldn’t do this 😭😭😭😭😭😱😱😱😱😱😱
- Gets splatted
- Splats no one
- Stops a Rainmaker push
- Elaborates
it’s crazy how he can think about all of that in less than 10 seconds during the match. i’m in awe
It's not so much that I think about all of this just in this amount of time as it is that I've thought about all these concepts and learned them at some point in my career playing competitively in S2 or S3 (this map was in both) and this is a synthesis of what I've learned to act on in all of that time. And I'm still making mistakes (*paints uninkable wall*)
yea i see that. i always try to think before i act but it always seems to end up with me forgetting to think lol
Imho, “feeding” is a concept pulled whole cloth from League into most games when the concept doesn’t 100% apply. *Any* death to an enemy in league is bad because it simultaneously puts you permanently behind and the enemy ahead. In other games, while numbers disadvantages are real, delaying with your life is incredibly valuable. I would argue that inting and throwing your life away for sure exist, but “feeding” isn’t as applicable. (Except in clam blitz but that mode has permanent objective progression.)
Yeah, when the respawn time is in single digits and theres a teleport to teammates mechanic, "feeding" doesn't really apply outside of hard throwing lol. The term is more for mobas and S&D siege type games.
I think one of the reasons I find mobas frustrating to play is the way that early game decisions in a 30 minute match have a compounding/snowball effect that carries an advantage for the rest of the game. So losing feels like slowly getting throttled to death
one of the goofy things i enjoy doing in turf is distracting the shit out of an enemy crab tank
I love popping kraken and just chasing people away from spots
no kills or anything just being irritating
@@fvg5r396 i interface with the game 100% through the ballpoint splatling but that sounds fun as fuck
Big swig object shredder, the instant i hear an hp special fish brain says break it
Honestly I don’t mind when one or more of my teammates feed. I main backline, so I just have to back up slightly and give them safe jumps. It’s been well established that matchmaking causes players to end up in rooms above or below their skill level. Plus it’s possible that someone on the enemy team had a strategy that hard-countered my teammate. Since I play backline, an enemy frontline sometimes makes it their sole objective over an entire game to remove me from play, and that’s fair, because if I do my job well as a backline then I’m annoying to them in return.
What really bothers me is when I have a teammate who: never engages the enemy, never paints for the team, never contributes to the objective, and isn’t AFK. A couple days ago I pulled a 14-3 in a clam blitz game and got knocked out because one of my teammates sharked by the enemy basket all game and spammed “This way!” even when the enemy was in the middle of scoring on our basket. It was an S-ranked room and they chose to make their team defend a 3v4 without ever leaving the enemy basket.
I think it would have been really nice to see some of the impact of this play from the perspectives of the other players, but this is a great demonstration of the point you wanted to make.
Good players win 1v1s
Better players win 2v1s
The best players take 1v3s (when the state of the game accounts for it)
Another fun thing to do is after getting hit by a sensor, diving the enemy team, and then just taking off in a random direction. Occasionally you can pull an entire team off of a critical point, as they instinctively follow the marked target.
One thing I noticed immediately is that I think the Rainmaker carrier went in solo expecting the team to be behind them, but the 3 other team members got distracted by you. I’m probably wrong though and it was 2v1 against you. Still better odds for your team in the moment if the only goal is to kill them before they get to the pedestal.
Also applicable to zones. If you can distract a couple of enemies long enough for your team to hold zone & get the lead then losing that 2v1 is totally worth it especially as time is winding down. These plays never get reflected in the ranking at the end of the match, but they’re pretty important in some cases.
I've done this before and i love doing this kinda thing, especially since i love brush. Get behind them and keep their attention on me so its not on my allies, their push, or the objective. Be a nuisance to get some breathing room for my team. There have been a few rainmaker games i run to spawn and harass them for a good 30 seconds or so thst allows a checkpoint and aditional pop or sometimes the whole game
And hence, the reason as to why Quick Respawn is a really good ability to use right now...
Although not the best option, it still helps considering that feeding has some good use in pressure and Quick Respawn allows for more pressure on the enemy team as you get in more frequently.
essentially, you caused a target fixation to occur and it helped in the end
I’d like to see your take on when it would be a good idea to reset the rainmaker by jumping off the map/not touching it or when it probably would have been better to push it through, I formed a sort of intuition about it but I’d appreciate some logic behind it
Seconded
This is in my Rainmaker Guide
@@SquidSchool I'll check it out ty!
I haven’t played Splatoon in awhile. Idk why this popped up in my recommended. But I’m really glad it did. I think you could apply this logic to just about any team based game, dying/feeding without getting a kill in return isn’t always a bad thing. As long as you’re helping your team take the advantage, then you’re being useful. Now of course there are some deaths or feeds that are just outright bad, but TLDR I like this video and I think the main point can be applied to many other games too
Finally someone understands why taking that 1v4 as a wiper was worth it.
im not feeding im ✨distracting the enemy✨
The breakdown of this match is actually insane. Really love how you do these.
exactly what i should be doing as a tri-stringer user, right?
Realistically I don't think many people would have called this feeding. This was a perfectly valid flank. You got in clean, and by the time you were on top of the enemy team, your team had 4 up, and the pressure you put on the backline turns the battle against the rainmaker carrier into a 1v3. It would have been most ideal if you traded with someone or got away, but the distraction still has value. About the only thing you could say is that N-Zap's kit isn't really made for flanks, in an ideal situation maybe the Pro Deco goes for the flank instead, but it still worked out.
Sometimes, it's just enough to be there and to be annoying.
Supports probably aren't the best for distraction like this but I honestly do it all the time playing Jr. lol. I distract them away from objectives so my teammates can do other things. I really love Custom Jr. and distract them with wavebreaker and torpedo, its kinda fun.
I do this sometimes with CJR also; it seems that opponents have a tendency to focus hard on the torpedo spammer when they find it lol
one time i threw torpedos at a hydra for about half a minute, each one shot down, eventually resulting in them splatting me. as i died, my team had won a 3v3 and broken the checkpoint on rainmaker. not the most reliable tactic, lol
@@DracoHouston You should use your entire kit if you can lol.
This is what I like to call food poisoning
A new trend in Top 500 JP Rainmaker is apparently picking Sploosh, using a QR build, and basically just feeding the whole game.
It's hilarious but works???
For context, I'm usually the Red Shirt and let myself get nuked if it means I can pull aggro from the objective of only for a few seconds
Yesterday I watched one of my teamates charge into the entire enemy team while we were down 2... The enemy team wasn't even pushing in or anything, they just ran in.
They rolled a 1 on intelligence
to tldr you distracted two of the three enemy players for long enough to where they didnt protect the rainmaker teammate anymore
Also note, that if 1 out of 5 times this play trades the Rainmaker straght up then 1 out of 5 times it's just a good play. And the rest of the time it still has a decent chance at making a positve impact via disruption.
I love watching these videos and pretending like I'm ever going to be serious about this game at all
I feel like this play would be better for a player running QR.
yeah, but you don't need to run qr to make your death meaningful
OH MY GOSH THIS IS ME I THOUGHT I WAS USELESS 😮💨
Everyone has a toolkit, even feeding is a tool, it's about how you use them, the misuse of feeding is what people need to focus on.
Why not coming from the bridge (higher ground) and attack from there?
Takes too long, the enemy team would have already moved
Oh hey it's me
3:29
Mhm, interesting!
Didn't know gem was a 4chan user
Watching halfway, i think the best move is to drop a suction in front of RM, and then flank them from the other side.
This is my video
id rather have my team alive making smart choices. Do you know how many matches I lose and my teammates have died 25-30 times combined? I noticed that when I'm not the only person alive I can win. You're just telling the idiots that run out and die over and over again its ok.
Bro didn't watch the video at all lmao
that's not at all what Gem is saying, nothing Gem says or does will stop people from rushing in and feeding, but providing a distraction can be extremely useful as shown in the video :)
The title even had the word “partial” in it. Literally no reason to jump to conclusions.