Ahsoka - Why It's Whack (mostly)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- The biggest flaw of this show was not giving Huyang more screen time.
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Intro
00:46 - Initial Thoughts
01:53 - Ahsoka Tano
03:35 - Shin and Baylan
05:04 - Thrawn
07:14 - Sabine
09:52 - Other Characters
10:39 - MY BOI
11:31 - Lightsaber Combat
14:26 - Dave Filoni's Flaws
16:15 - Rad or Bad Meter/Outro
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"Kids know what a lightsaber does"
*Plays Youngling scene
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I agree with a lot of what you have to say, except the idea that Thrawn should’ve killed Sabine. The thing with Thrawn is that despite how evil he is, he’s an anti-villain with a sense of honour, so him letting Baylan keep his word is in line with his character, in my opinion. Although Thrawn choosing not to find Ezra is stupid
I think aside from using Sabine to find Ezra, I think Thrawn's main plan for her was indeed leverage. On what you say? Who was it that gave Baylan the map? Sabine Wren. That's right. When she told him that what she did, Thrawn seized the opportunity on the perfect scapegoat for his return, one to divide the New Republic (if you look at the anatagonistic relationship between Hera and Senator Xiano) from within by using a well respected war hero and making her out as a traitor in the eyes of the people the Rebellion sought to liberate from the Empire. It wasn't really killing two birds in one stone, no, more like setting a destructive chain of events to not only to crush the Republic from the inside out, but to cast doubt on the Rebellion's legacy. It's actually the perfect, a simple one, but an opportunity Thrawn took and that could lead to catastrophic consequences on the Republic, especially in the long run. Thrawn would've still taken the hard way, but Sabine just made it easier for him to find the right opportunity to not only escape, but to also undo everything the Rebellion fought to gain.
I do not know about Star Wars much. I saw Ahsoka and thought that Thrawn is nice because he did not kill her. Well, now I realize that it is a story hole
@@hades_jr More of like a clever gambit. One to get rid of Baylon, Shin, Ezra and Sabine. Though I figured he might've kept Sabine alive in the hopes of making her the perfect scapegoat for cripling the New Republic by using her choice to advantage when the Republic marks her as a traitor. Needless to say she ended up becoming his greatest asset.
@@hades_jr More of like a clever gambit. One to get rid of Baylon, Shin, Ezra and Sabine. Though I figured he might've kept Sabine alive in the hopes of making her the perfect scapegoat for cripling the New Republic by using her choice to advantage when the Republic marks her as a traitor. Needless to say she ended up becoming his greatest asset.
I think that the modern lightsaber fights feel too slow
Because they are, Ashoka is a granny 👵
bro thats why I was thinking they were so shit, I couldnt put my finger on it but thats a fact, you can really tell in the anakin vs ahsoka fight, you can tell hayden is so much better bc of the years of training for the movies where the others in the show have no skills with it yet so he has to slow his moves down to make ahsoka keep up
@@Ziixxy yeah, I have not been very impressed with it, I dont think Ahsoka has been fluid enough either
They are hence all the cuts every 1.2 seconds in hopes to speed it up - but leaves us with more questions than answers once watched again
It’s because the props are heavier
Sabine had years of training under Ahsoka prior to the destruction of Mandalore, plus almost a year of training under Kanan.
The thing is with Sabine, and her lightsaber choreo, is that the actress playing her is actually very good at martial arts and overall stunts, but the director, or showrunner, or her character, or all of them summed up, probably were making her to portray Sabine that way 🤷🏻 I personally think that the actress did pretty good job at playing that character - it's the writing that she was given fucked up her badly, honestly can't see anyone or anything make Sabine or even show shine with their performances, given the writing material and everything.
Also actress that plays that Dathomire wannabe witch character, is very good at martial arts also, and they did her dirty at her first appearance in mando, but she was trying her hardest to make her memorable i think, considering awful directing and the script.
Overall, i think choreo improved slightly compared to previous projects in disney era, but still light years away from the prequels 😅 They really need to put actors on training courses for 3-6 month, before filming anything that includes lightsabers, like Lucasfilms did with Ewan and Hayden. I'm sorry, but it was painful experience watching Rosario fighting as Ahsoka, it looked the same as if they took someone random from the streets who would never-ever even put a thought about martial arts, and asked them to portray great swordsman from old samurai movie, in a way that they would think he should look like
When me and my parents saw thrawns soldiers we thought they were like zombietroopers 😅
This is better than most Star Wars shows, but with Andor existing, I just cannot accept any Star Wars content that is below a 6/10. Hopefully, this is a little sign of a brighter future.
I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to Sabine. I liked the show in general, but they did a terrible job writing Sabine.
I watched Clone Wars, but I didn't watch a lot of Rebels. Someone else said that Sabine was a teenager at the end of Rebels. To me, the problem with Ahsoka (the show) was that (I suppose in an attempt to make her recognizable from Rebels) they kept Sabine's emotional/intellectual age at 15. She acts in ways an adult simply wouldn't act.
As far as Sabine using Force powers goes, here's the problem: They spent the entire season telling us how much Sabine sucked at using the Force, to the point where she's the worst Force apprentice the droid had seen in *thousands* of years.
Think about that: *THOUSANDS* of years.
And they also make a point of having Ahsoka say that it's okay if she's not a Jedi and *can't* use the Force. They gave her permission to not be a Force user, but they made her one anyway.
And you can say that she trained under Ahsoka for years, but that actually makes it *worse*. She trained for years and basically still sucked so badly that she couldn't even move a cup.
And she betrays everyone and doesn't pay a price for it. I was waiting for her to turn to the dark side. GIving Baylan the map could've been her Anakin moment, her turn to the dark side, but it was all wasted. If you're going to have a character do something like that, at least have the balls to have her turn evil.
I liked the rest of the show (6.5 or 7 out of 10), but without Sabine, it could've been a 9.
Dude, perfectly said. It’s like the show wanted us to believe she could succeed without the force, but then they give it to her anyway. There was potential that was just thrown away. 🤦🏽♂️
Excellent explanation!
Totally agree, Shin and Balin are what made me want to watch this. Unfortunately there wasn't much else
I think aside from using Sabine to find Ezra, I think Thrawn's main plan for her was indeed leverage. On what you say? Who was it that gave Baylan the map? Sabine Wren. That's right. When she told him that what she did, Thrawn seized the opportunity on the perfect scapegoat for his return, one to divide the New Republic (if you look at the anatagonistic relationship between Hera and Senator Xiano) from within by using a well respected war hero and making her out as a traitor in the eyes of the people the Rebellion sought to liberate from the Empire. It wasn't really killing two birds in one stone, no, more like setting a destructive chain of events to not only to crush the Republic from the inside out, but to cast doubt on the Rebellion's legacy. It's actually the perfect plan, a simple one, but an opportunity Thrawn took and that could lead to catastrophic consequences on the Republic, especially in the long run. Thrawn would've still taken the hard way, but Sabine just made it easier for him to find the right opportunity to not only escape, but to also undo everything the Rebellion fought to gain.
Congrats with hitting the number! Excellent editing btw, and i mostly agree with your opinion on the show, but would rate from 3 to 5 depending on the mood 😂. CGI team did a great job tho i think
Thank you! Yeah even now I feel like I was a little too generous with my score 😂
what i am about to say has nothing to do with your channel, caprisanh. i really like you videos, and I'm sorry if I'm disagreeing with your opinions. (And I apologize if what below sounds really bad and rude.
i think that down playing Ezra and focusing on Sabine was a mistake, i hate what Star Wars has become, and I know I will get a lot of hate for what I'm about to say but... here we go. I think Sabine is a little brat and any character development she had in Rebels has vanished. Ashoka felt like some sort of shell of herself, and the fact that neither or them seemed to grow very much. it just felt like the writers went, "okay and now they feel this way!". I see no reason in giving Sabine the force, and it felt jarring and out of place that everyone else in the show just accepted the fact that she is a force-sensitive. even Ezra was cool with it. Ezra was nowhere close as entertaining as he was in rebels, the fact that he just seemed cool and okay with every bad decision Sabine made was very out of place. Hera felt like she was just thrown in there just for kicks, she really didn't accomplish much in the episodes she was in. the only characters who were enticing at all were Shin and Balin, but we know that we won't see their characters explored anymore, (Rest In Peace, Ray.) I still have no idea why Disney didn't go with the Ezra Briger Theory and use the world between worlds to fix what has become of the Rey Palpatine Series. I hate saying this, I mean hate it.....but Star Wars as we know it is dead. and now I will stop using RUclips as a way to rant and publish my nerd essay and just shut up. I'm sorry for anyone who read all of this.
I appreciate your clear and concise comment and I gotta say, I think we're on the same page man. 😄 I literally agree with everything you just said. In my videos I try not to be extremely one sided and I try to mention a few good things from the show alongside my dumb criticism. But the problem is, those good things become fewer and fewer as Star Wars gets older. It's the main reason I'm trying to veer away from Star Wars content because the new Star Wars just doesn't make me happy anymore.
So no need to apologize for voicing your opinions dude. You speak for more than one of us 🙌🏽
It doesn't sound bad or rude at all, man. Hmm I think maybe the problem is with female hero characters in general. It happens with many of them these days... I think it's kinda sus that Filoni can still write better characters in the animated shows. But here only the male ones and non-protagonist females are good. Anakin, Ezra, Baylan, Shin... Even Thrawn. It makes me think that maybe the higher ups in Disney do specifically instruct the directors and actresses to portray these female characters this way. Like too hardy, serious, manly, too stoic. Not joyful, curious, sensitive and so on. Even Shin looked super cute and more lively than the other female characters 😂 I think they're afraid of femininity and maybe that's due to the non sensical "ideal of representation" that sadly permeates media these days... Well anyhow, I hope this is only a trend and eventually dies off. Sooner than later.
@@barbarianjk2355, i agree wholeheartedly with your opinion on Shin, she was the most interesting to follow.
@@caprisanh2845, oh, thank goodness. i am so glad im not the only one. (also, i think moving away from star wars is a good idea, plus your editing for this video was really good.) keep up the good work.
Damn that mustache looking pretty clean ngl 🥸 anyways loved the editing style bro. Keep it up!
Haha thanks bro! 🙌🏽
the show is trash. i regretted watching the entire Ahsoka show. The lead characters are boring and wooden, villains are underutilized, girls can't do no wrong, men are stupid, Thrawn is underwhelming and has an old man belly, lightsaber choreography is garbage, Sabine surviving a fatal lightsaber stab, the mythical and complex aspect of the Force is gone, Ezra is a loser just like any other male character in modern Disney-Star Wars, so many plot holes and stupid writing, and Star Wars is truly dead as long as Disney drags it through the mud. Also, I lost all faith and admiration for Dave Filoni exposing himself to me as a hack who subscribed to the "The Force is FEMALE" bullshit of Kathleen Kennedy. I hated the show I wished it never existed. The only thing I wished for is Star Wars being removed from Disney and Kathleen Kennedy's control and everything they made ERASED with extreme prejudice. Thanks Disney for reminding me that the franchise is beyond saving. Good luck making money.
i agree, im afraid that the star wars we grew up on is dead. dead and buried.
Well,we will always have Paris.
The problem with Disney and many shows, they try too hard to push a female lead in your face a pound you with it the character to force believably. Somehow the female leads must be instantly better at everything which actually disconnects the audience from the character. They're trying to change the entire dynamic of practice makes perfect to the current crap we have. Granted, Sabine got bodied when she went up against the female apprentice but it shouldn't even have gone that long against a force wielder who practiced for years. It's absolute b.s.
And for someone who hasn't the force 😂
Man I really enjoyed your video, I'm not sure I'll ever watch Ashoka but I might consider rewatching this sweet and well made review ❤
She does take that stance where she crosses her arms and makes a similar face but I think that adds to her character because I don't know that's what they're going for someone who's like oppositional while they're almost agreeable I'm not sure
It's a really great video, I agree
Thank you! 🙌🏽
13:25 😂🤣 the wooden train flute had me in pieces😭
Star Wars isn't even Star Wars anymore 😢
Haven't been since Disney took over. Pains me to upvote this.
Though I think Rogue One and Andor actually felt like proper Star Wars. Wasn't the same Star Wars, but it still gave me a lot of that exploratory, world building magic, combined with fighting for love and friendship.
Ironically from the same creators.
@@SquarelyGames They made it all about identity politics and every other type of virtue signaling imaginable. We're all sick of politics being pushed down our throats.
@@Mandalore_ultimate @Cassus_Fett OK, I strongly disagree here. Problems is not about culture wars, its corporate friendly writing, with too few risks and too stuck in the past. Playing it safe.
Honestly after Andor, it’s hard for me to go back to the usual cheap looking badly written Disney plus shows. Hence why it’s taken me so long to finish Ahsoka. It was basically Dave Filoni’s wet dream, his fan boys taking it in with some post nut clarity after the fan service
Everything about that review was straight facts.Every time i saw Baylan on the screen I started leaning forward and was like o shit something boutta go down but when Sabine was on saying the most boring shit I felt like contemplating my life choices
Ahsoka season 2 should only be the clone wars with her and Anakin that's what the whole season should be. And the last episode should tie back into where we left off on season 1 and then season 3 should take off from season 1 idk just spitting ideas
Awesome video, keep up the good work
Thank you 👊🏽
Im not longer exited for the future of ST,im just exited to play jedi Survivor, i really liked the first game
I find Sabines return to Mandalore arc to be one of the best in the whole of Rebels. Additionally, they elude to Sabine using the force in the last season of Rebels. Also she's descendant to the first Mandalorian Jedi.
i havent been keeping up with Star Wars since rise of skywalker bored me. i think i will give this a watch
Does anyone know what song is playing during the Thrawn segment?
Filoni may not be the best but hes all we got because all the disney writers only know how to take a great legacy and kill it
When Acolye season 1 ends, I hope you will release a long video about it.
3:49 truer words have never been spoken.
Sabine dude. why does she look days away from turning 30 but she still behaves like a gigacringe "you just dont get me MOoM" teenager? (shes got purple hair at 30 years old for gods sake)
Not only that, but shes somehow now just a random expert in the force- and STILL comes off as less competent than she was in rebels.
And then she betrays the galaxy and all her friends and former comrades of the old rebellion- just so she can *maybe* meet another one of her friends again.
Theres literally nothing to like.
When she got stabbed i was praying with all my fingers and toes crossed that they actually ended it then and there, but no, her plot armour is the only thing in the galaxy thicker than Syndullas ass.
But since syndullas ass and anakin skywalker are both in this show, its still a 10/10
9:48 Had me dying. 😂
Now is "whack" a positive or a negative thing? Or is this one of those terms of the youth that covers both? 🙃
It would be a negative thing 😂
@@caprisanh2845 - 👍Watching through now. Totally agree about Ray Stevenson. RIP legend. (what i've seen in the show, he gives off some of the air of Jerec - only a bit less hammy - would have killed for more from him)
@@caprisanh2845- In RE: your comment on Morgan - the actress does have a history with martial arts films. That kind of training and practice really shines through in even stage combat.
While Ashoka wasn't perfect, in my opinion they sure as hell tried. There were genuine moments in this series that had me invested. The lightsaber battles are almost spot on. The characters matter, well, except Sabine. But even she had her moments that contributed. In short this is the best thing to come out of Disney star wars and im not afraid to say that. I loved it.
The only thing worthwhile about these shows anymore is the soundtrack.
This show is just so thoroughly bad. And the points you come with are spot on. We can't live with this plot armor BS. It's killing the story and immersion completely. We don't feel like the fly on the wall. We feel as we are on a green screen movie set.
You forget one thing too. Just cause Baylan & Shin Hati aren't Jedi doesn't make them Sith. Think of them like a Thanos or Peacemaker, they still have honor & don't kill to because it makes them more powerful. They want peace for everyone & will stop at nothing to get it.
Baylan Skoll needs to be recast.
Did you really say Sabine from rebels had no depth?
To this day, we still know little about her, espeially concerning her true feelings for Ezra Bridger. Does she view him as a brother? Or is she in love with the guy? Considering her actions, they basically contradict Ezra's "sister zoning" of her, yet clear indication of a future romance between the two have been seemingly teased in this show (especially considering Ezra's crush on her in Rebels).
Honestly I think the show was good but Sabine definitely is kinda just like a weak link, ezra is better than normal I relate to ahsokas depresson in the begining and she’s still cool, hera is chill, the villains are awsome and yuang and chopper are hilarious. Sabine feels like she just dosent belong, I kinda wish she died in the finale giving her jet pack(which she should of had anyway) to ahsoka so she can get on the ship, and had ahsoka and ezra leave the ship to find luke, that should of been the ending in my opinion
Okay, I agree with most of your observations. But Shin? Really? She has two expressions. 1. Look. And 2. Eyes Wide LOOK. With that goofy black liner all the way around her eyes it makes it even more obvious. Can she handle a lightsaber? Yup. Other than that, she’s a vacuous nothing. I don’t know if it’s the actor or the director-probably 10% actor and 90% director.
Which is why whenever you say Shin seems like a real person to you, I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Can you direct me to one scene, or even just one moment, where she impressed you? I’ve seen it twice, and I just don’t get it.
I’ve never been particularly impressed with Sabine. My understanding is that she was 16 in the first season of Rebels. That was okay - after all, she’s Mandalorian, and they start combat training practically at fertilization. But then we learn she went to the Imperial Academy long enough to hate it and drop out, then find and join the Ghost crew. Okay, but that seemed like a stretch. But then we hear that she developed that super-weapon capable of dissolving flesh inside Beskar armor. And the technology so sophisticated that only Sabine understands it well enough to modify it. So we’re supposed to believe, I guess, that a 14-year old trained from childhood as a fighter was also an inventor so uniquely brilliant that all the resources in the Empire were inadequate to even understand her work? Bullshit.
Yes, Ezra is pretty (from what I can tell…it’s hard to know how half the guys around actually look anymore since their faces hide under beards) in Ahsoka, but he always was. Remember the Seventh Sister says so (“As pretty as you are…” she says to him at one point). And you can’t tell me Vizago didn’t have something censorable in mind when he made Ezra promise to do literally “whatever I ask” in return for information about Kanan. (s1 ep14) Ezra: “Within reason.” Vizago “No deal.” Ezra “Okay, okay, okay. Whatever you ask.” Vizago “Alright, come with me boy. Alone.” Disney can spin it however they want, but come on. You think opening that cell later on was the extent of that favor. No way.
Finally, I think you’re right about Filoni being decent at story development, but dialog? Occasionally interesting, but usually dry and uninspired, and sometimes downright cringeworthy and full of trope and predictable trope (like most of the first episode of Ahsoka.) So, smart analysis there, I think. Listening to Filoni speak, and as is reflected in his written dialog, he just doesn’t came across as being a deep thinker or particularly encumbered by an excess of insight. Especially when it comes to Thrawn, but really for all the characters, they needed Andor-level talent working on the script.
Sabine legitimately feels like a self-insert from one of the writers.
Which is hilarious because she is widely regarded as the worst and least likeable character in the show.
Idk why after seeing all the hate Rey got for being such a Mary Sue in her movies, their brilliant idea was to do it again, but this time also make the character a total asshole. What a great idea.
am i the only one who thinks that shin is a boring character? i only kinda started to like her a bit at the end (and i also didn't like the actors take on shin)
But bro not for nothing I think Sabien is sexy and her Mandolorian style makes her hotter... Idk I see you opinion and I agree but I like having this sexy half mado/Jedi ish person ❤❤❤
12:56 Bru
Also Dave’s dialogue isn’t good but I mean I think he learned that for George Lucas 😂
To think we thought the prequels were the worst the franchise could get then they drop ashoka and defy all expectations by giving us the worst show ever created.
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2:01 she’s mewing
Honestly I think Sabine wielding the force was handled much better then anyone else in the 2010's because it actually took time, effort and challenge to overcome that barrier. It's called growth.
I'm just waiting for the Filoni movie.
Let's hope it's better than what we've gotten recently 😅
@@caprisanh2845Yeah.
Why do you use so much clickbat in your titles?
Nah man, this show is shit. Every character that was already established was assassinated, and the ones original to the show are nothing characters that bit even Dave Filoni could tell you two things about, because he has no idea who they are either.