One of the things the Holy Spirit brings conviction to me is getting along with others. Specially because I’m recovering from social anxiety and I literally hated because truly I hated myself and I left the church and then I came back and had to learn to love myself and others and then to see how divided we are. It’s discouraging but the Holy Spirit keeps speaking the same things and bringing conviction to my heart about trying to keep the peace with everyone and heal broken relationships 😭
I love this message! I have been praying for the Unity of the Body of Believers for 8 years. Love is the #1 thing to get right! I am in love with Jesus too!!! ❤❤❤
The High Priestly prayer of Christ … “That they would be one even as You and I are One …” Starting with repentance in our pointing fingers at one another for what each believes, let’s repent and seek God’s face. We keep each other from unity. I’ve been called an apostate for being Eastern Orthodox, which I have not been all my life, and I’m able to keep deep relationships with friends who love Christ. By the the Holy Trinity this can happen.
Father thank you so much for this brother's pursuit in understanding unity in our Lord and savior's church. Thank you that I see so many brothers and sisters who are meditating on this topic of unity that is so incredibly important to you. Thank you that those of us meditating on unity are not alone. Thank you for all our brothers and sisters whoever they are and wherever they are. I pray that you circumcize all of our hearts so that all of us can love one another and accept that we are all fearfully and wonderfully made, unique but equal. I pray that you soften the soil of our hearts so we can have fertile ground. Lord you have commanded us not to be partial and to judge with a righteous judgment, so I pray that your Holy Spirit will help and empower each member in the whole body of Christ shed it's partiality. I pray that we will shed family and societal cultural differences, denominations, doctrines, the way things look, and how we think they ought to look. Father, please forgive us all of our pride in what we think we know. Lord, even when we think we know something, we do not know, as you are the only one who is all-knowing. Lord you are able to do infinitely more than we would ever dare to ask or hope for, so I ask that each individual, then together as the whole body of Christ, that we will not lean on our own understanding, but be truly united in love that can only come from you. That we will be united in love in truth, on your terms, not our own, and that you will empower us to accept and receive it. We ask you this in Jesus name Amen
I have so much to say to this… First of all, God bless you, Mr Chan, for pursuing the path the Lord has illuminated for you. I spent a lot of my life in a house church and it was the best experience. Honestly, I continue to seek the closeness, the true discipleship, the unity found within the differences of the members of the Body in my life now that I found then. I hope that makes sense. As a lifelong non-denominational believer, I genuinely appreciate Chan’s openness and growth in embracing the real presence in Communion/Eucharist. Throwing out the baby with the bath water is a classic mistake, one which I’d prefer to stop making, and I agree with Chan that this may well be one of those instances…. Oh how I would love to see the day when preachers teach their people without insulting and /or arguing against another denomination. When a maniac is at the door, warring brothers reconcile. It’s past time for the Church to learn that. I’m reminded again that unity does not mean same. God created not one flower but many to populate His garden. Together, all the flowers make one beautiful garden. We don’t have to agree on every point of doctrine to submit ourselves to Jesus and therefore love one another. I’m not talking about actual rejection of the central truth of the Gospel: that Jesus, son of the living God, is our salvation! I am talking about bearing with one another as we walk through this life according to the light our good God chooses to shed on each of us. It’s so crucial to remember that none of us - not one! - is done yet. He is perfecting us each moment… Finally, thanks to the Remnant guys for having this conversation. I’m grateful.
I love Francis so much. He really encouraged me, when I was a young believer, but I have to say the past few years, he confused me, because he doesn’t talk clear about differences we have, especially with Roman Catholics. We don’t believe in the same way of justification, we don’t believe in purgatory, the treasury of merit, intersession of the saints, the Marian dogma, mass for the dead etc. it is so confusing that Francis doesn’t speak clearly about his view of these things. I love his strive for unity, but he also has to consider that he is a public figure and many weak and young believers look up to him and get really confused and anxiety about it. Because they just don’t know where he truly stands on these issues. I truly believe that he doesn’t want people to get confused in their beliefs because of him, but some truly do. Still love him, but I always wait for a video where he actually clearly speaks about his standpoints on important issues. Because at the end, he has an opinion about the Marian dogma, but nobody knows what it truly is, and that is one of the reasons many evangelicals have trust issues with him. I still love him and see the spirit in him, I just wish he would be more straightforward about his own beliefs.
Wow. The part halfway through where Francis broke down and talked about his own heart for the interview really spoke to me. Made me consider the times where I may have viewed my own ministry in this way. Valuing the teaching and organization piece mote than the people who needed valued in the moment.
Exactly, our unity is in the love we share for God! I'm blown away with how few people in the church want to talk about the Lord and even fewer desire to share the gospel to the lost. The glory of God is the most important thing in my life.
I have read the book and now heard the interview. More convinced than ever that much prayer is needed for this unity. No wonder Paul prayed for the Ephesians to understand and know God's love first of all and then that they would guard/keep the unity that would be a result of that love. May we know, hear and obey too. 🙏🏻❤
Great episode! Francis’ raw nature and love for the Lord is infectious. I have a hard time not getting angry at some of the comments you guys receive here.
I've watched this episode twice. I'm still in awe of God's love and how this discussion felt so basic but so refreshing. When we feel God's love, it just puts so much into perspective. This was spirit food. 🙌
I love My Brother Francis’s vulnerability to our Heavenly Father. He really is an example of a person whose priority is to honor our Heavenly Father! Especially his emphasis on loving people through Christ and as Christ did for this was the very precious characteristic of our Heavenly Father!
It amazes me the people who call into question Francis Chan's theology, but doesn't question John MacArthur and other popular pastors. And I know I will take some flack for this. I used to love reading and listening to Francis Chan, Ravi Zacharias (sp) and John MacArthur. I learned so much from all three. I keep coming back to Francis Chan because he's so non judgmental and you can just feel the love he has for God. My heart truly hurt with the whole Ravi scandal. I felt so deceived. And now I feel the same about John MacArthur with the Eileen and David Gray issue of John MacArthur publicly shaming and excommunicating Eileen Gray for coming to GCC about David Gray being abusive towards her and her children (sexual abuse) and seeking help and guidance. David Gray was a teacher at GCC. Instead, they encouraged Eileen to pray for her husband and to stay with him, though he was eventually convicted and is in prison for the abuse. John MacArthur and GCC still supports David Gray while he's in prison under the pretense of prison ministry. John MacArthur told Eileen she needed to show David grace, but yet it seems John MacArthur only showed grace to the abuser David Gray instead of to the victims Eileen and her children. And yet no matter, people still call others out as false prophets while still staunchly defending John MacArthur and GCC. What I learned through all of this is to not put these men on a pedestal that only belongs to God. I also believe all this infighting between denominations really hurts us. It's division within the church and we are all one church as believers in Christ regardless of your denomination. Early Christians did not belong to a denomination...they were just followers of Christ. And Jesus and His Disciples were all Jews...they were not Catholic or Protestant. The early Christians were a mix of Jews and Gentiles. I believe some Catholics are unfairly judged. My husband is Catholic and he doesn't believe in the rosary, doesn't believe that Mary was a perpetual virgin, doesn't pray to Mary, doesn't believe in the Pope, doesn't believe you have to do works to be saved, etc. Yet I grew up So. Baptist and today I have to fight inward against myself about being legalistic because my church was legalistic and preached more on fire and brimstone than on God's love, mercy, grace, forgiveness. The way I was taught in church has hurt me so much as an adult believer in God, yet, my husband who grew up in Catholic private school has love for everyone and is non-judgmental. His words are full of love and he doesn't argue, fight, cause division, etc. So I think it's really unfair for Christians to look down on people of other denominations. No one inside of a church denomination thinks the exact same or worships the exact same. We all get some things right and we all get some things wrong theologically. I admire and respect Francis Chan. When he was beginning to get too big in his church, he stepped away from it so that people wouldn't "worship" him, but rather God. I don't believe Jesus was into multi-million dollar mega churches. I don't believe planting churches were ever about being a mega church. Jesus and His Disciples lived very humble lives, yet today you don't see many mega pastors living very humbly outwardly. I see so many pastors on RUclips calling out other pastors and churches as false prophets, etc. Instead of uniting, they are causing more division and in-fighting. I believe that Francis Chan has extended love, grace, and forgiveness against those who have labeled him a heretic and false prophet. I pray that I can do the same for people who have hurt me or who do not like me.
Meg such a long post. Most ppl are denominational and defend it. I found this out when I questioned a Catholic priest's homily. I finally left the RCC at 57 which is old. About 5 years prior I stopped rosary, Mary prayers later, St Michael prayers then left after a heretical homily! I was devout. Even if a Catholic says they don't do certain things it's still in the dogmas. Your husband is actually considered anathema by Catholic teaching for not believing Mary was a perpetual virgin, etc. So Idk if he knows that? Now I find I question and don't agree with any Church or pastor. I'm still trying to find a church home. The Baptist lady I walk with does seem legalistic although I don't think she sees it!
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Your husband doesn't hold to the doctrines of the Catholic church though in a traditional way. Catholics are to believe all the dogmas esp. I don't mind him being this type of protestant mix Catholic, but but I know the RCC does, and so would most Catholics.
I go to a Baptist church and when we had a new minister, we invited people/leaders from the other churches in the area (including Catholics) and they came and we worshiped Jesus together. Now you won't get me praying to Mary and I am not convinced on the Catholic transubstantiation in communion, but I will happily take communion with someone else that believes Jesus is God and he died for our sins. It is interesting to see how much resistance there is to Chan's message. But of course the answer is obvious, a united church is an unstoppable church. A people united around their love of God and of each other will never be defeated and the devil is scared of that. Daniel 2: “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever."
I love alll Remnant episodes but some don’t spark excitement in me when I see the title. This was one of those but wow. This was really beautiful and I enjoyed it so much. Love Francis Chan! His humility and love for Jesus is so raw
I found this really disappointing and sadly, unsurprising. Chan is apostate and has united himself with Rome the Whore, if he's going to teach anyone about "Christian unity." The Bible forbids that clearly, and Americans are so blind because they're emotionally driven and deceived.
Someone in the chat said, "Unity Equals Compromise." At the first council of Jerusalem as recorded in Acts, the Church compromised, between the liberty of Paul and the Law adherents associated with James. And Paul, in submission, held to their ruling that gentiles should not eat meat sacrificed to idols EVEN THOUGH he previously taught the opposite. Anyone who really knows Church History knows it is a whole series of compromises between the two tendencies to go too far left and too far right. Virtue is in the mean, Christ is in the Center, avoid diverting to the left or right and Look unto The Lord. Amen.
@@judahmwania I hope they aren't weary of each other because of their different ecclesiologies or something. That would be a very silly reason for two christians who are passionate about unity to divide. (not that ecclesiology doesn't matter, it matters immensely that the church believes rightly about itself.)
I hate repeating this but no I don’t agree with everything Mr Chan says but the general theme I love is that we do need more unity around the essentials that if we agree on that we can be one! Also I have seen Francis speak several times in the past online and he really seems like he has grown a lot now in ways I never did before in my opinion
Looks like Remnant Radio does frequently raise issues concerning Catholicism (not always in a positive way), but I haven't seen them make any effort to understand either the official Catholic position if I observe the range of speakers they interview on the show. Here is a thought for 2024, why not invite a Catholic theologian (Dr. Brant Pitre, Michael Loftus, etc.) or Apologist (Jimmy Akin, Trent Horn, etc.) for a respectful dialogues on the many issues that bother you about Catholicism? It is just fair to hear from the horses' mouth (primary sources) than looking for secondary sources.
There is also such a thing as ungodly unity. You're conviction is correct, brothers: charismatics DO have sophomoric theology because you simply don't believe God's word is sufficient. 1. Jesus prayed for his disciples to be one as Jesus and Father are one. What do they share? The Holy Spirit, as 3rd person in the Trinity. 2. The Holy Spirit indwells ALL believers after Pentecost. All who have the Spirit have the same unity now that Jesus and the Father and Spirit share. (Eph. 1:13 "when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, WERE sealed with the promised Holy Spirit") 3. Eph. 4:3 Be "eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." MAINTAIN. Not "achieve". Maintain the unity that we already have. Believe God's Word! You don't need to achieve what you already have. And that is the perfect picture of what it means to be a charismatic. God: I've given you all you need for life and godliness, including my Spirit, a deposit, a seal, a promise. Charismatic: No I want more Daddy. Your passion is laudable, but yes, it is very sophomoric. And just to warn you: the anti-Christ's ecumenical message for the One World Order IS "We will achieve unity". What did the wicked men say at the Tower of Babel? "We will achieve unity". Chan is practically a Roman Catholic. Roman Catholics are trying to "Unify" with Muslims and other cults. There is also such a thing as ungodly unity. BTW there will never be a PURE CHURCH if that is what you thing unity looks like. You all know this right? "19 for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized." 1 Cor. "30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” Matt. 13, parable of wheat and tares. "33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left." Matt. 25 "34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. " Matt. 10 Is the "unity" you want compatible with what Jesus taught? Hard to say, you all very much seem to want an emotional experience that is grounded in "spirit" but not Truth, God's Word. Or are you trying to achieve unity with tares and goats?
Francis Chan is an awesome guy. me as an men I recognise he is god loving men, but he speaks a totally different language that me. If I’m honest he is to emotional for me. Yes David he was emotional to but he also he was a warrior. I know there is much more women in the church an they like this type of preaching. But for a lot of men we need more types like David and still Francis is awesome guy you can learn a lot from him.
Finished the show, great content, wonderful interview, keep up the great work guys. Interestingly, the same reasoning Francis Chan puts into the reason he tried to excommunicate the woman is the exact reason the Catholic Church bars protestants from Communion. The Reformers broke Covenant, they committed divorce unjustly instead of sticking through and reforming from within.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 Peace to you and Blessings. Your namesake is a beautiful reminder of the Strength of Witness of His Saints in the face of just such a corrupt hierarchy as you suppose. Except, Joan, unbeknownst to her, could have asked to be tried directly by the Pope, and likely would have had her whole case over turned and the wicked Bishop who prosecuted her brought to Justice. Another item you might consider, though perhaps is not applicable because you have not specified the time period you are referring to though I presume it is from 1100-1650, is that reform from within actually did happen after the Protestant Scattering, it's called the Council of Trent. Many clerical abuses, excesses, and errors of doctrine were redressed, remonstrated, rebutted, and reliably dealt with. The evidence is the following centuries. But there have always been times of reform within The Catholic Church, Councils play a large part in that actually, and all authentic Reform starts in the Catholic Church, Remains in the Catholic Church, and Renews the Catholic Church. As a further evidence, St. John of The Cross and St. Theresa of Avila, two oft spoken of by the channel owners/content creators, were reformers who were persecuted but nonetheless remained in the confines of The Church, outlasted their enemies, and we enjoy the fruit of their steadfastness under persecutions to this day. Another example worth considering is St. Francis of Assisi. The enemy is not the Catholic Church. As an aside, I find it interesting that St. Bernard of Clairvaux was cited as a source of renewal for Josh, yet I have heard Michael in prior videos accuse the Catholic church of being possessed by the doctrine of devils regarding priestly celibacy/eunuchs, yet St. Bernard was one of these. Can the hosts explain? Have they moved away from the position that the discipline of priestly celibacy enforced in the Western Church is not, in fact, a doctrine of demons? If not, how can anything St. Bernard of Clairvaux, whose whole life was adherent to the discipline of celibacy, be considered a useful or valid source of information or renewal, if he was a recipient and proponent of doctrines of devils? Thank you and God's Love to you!
The Eucharist and baptism unifies all Christians to the body of Christ. The one true church Jesus started is united all around the world with the same scripture readings each week, breaking break with each other and believing in one theology.
Amen and Amen. I believe Francis wants to say this but isn’t ready to submit himself to the truth. There cannot be unity with division on the truth of Jesus! The only way is to submit yourself to His Truth. Yo ask WHY does His Church teach the things it does and you will see it is all about unity in submitting ourselves to Christ which is truly what it means to “have Faith”. Everything that Francis said about God’s love and grace is correct, but “having Faith” is always glossed over. He is calling us to TRUST Him more deeply than we trust ANYTHING and ANYONE else. This means obedience, honor, glorifying our LORD. It means worshipping on our knees or on our face. It means being in complete communion with him in the Sacrament of the Eucharist. BUT our concern should not be on what if any of that has anything to do with MY salvation. We should do all of these things SO THAT others will know the love of Christ. We should want to submit to the whole BODY OF CHRIST in His Church and in His Eucharist because this is how we join His plan for the Salvation of the World. Catholic Faith understood properly will lead all of us to a much deeper and intimate relationship with Jesus that we ever knew possible.
Good topic. Yeah I've had a few friends do Catholic preaching that they were invited to. They took it as an evangelistic opportunity. One friend had a continual revival type preaching time. God moves and some go looking for other churches when they get the Holy Spirit. Another doctrinal friend did some q n a sessions with Mormons and I think he ignored the obvious differences and just treated them as an evangelistic field. It's hard when you look at the church members who know way less than the leaders, but are seeking God in some way. The leaders, however, know more of the dangerous doctrine. Sometimes I think that the churches I disagree with try to borrow practices from charismatic churches to help their churches gain popularity, which I would not want to be a part of. A part of me focuses on the scriptures that tell us to separate. But the line is difficult, honestly. Are we leading some from these weaker denominations into the place where they stand before God who says "I never knew you"? "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?" All things to weigh. 2Th 3: 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 2Thes 3: 14-15 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. Mat 18: 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Rom 16: 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences 'contrary to the doctrine' which ye have learned; and avoid them. Co 5: 11-13 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. 1Ti 6: 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 2Jo 9-119 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work. 2Tim 3: 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 1Tim 1: 20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. Heb 12: 15-16 15 See to it diligently that no man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; 16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. James 4: 4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Also this one: “But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.” 1 Timothy 3:15 NABRE It seems obvious that the disciples and early Apostles were planting A church who unified by the tradition and doctrine of that church. And it was that same church who exists today who teaches us to SUBMIT ourselves to the Truth rather than trying to define it as if we are above God.
Such a very important and timely episode on Unity. Thank you elevating the heart of Jesus above all else. Essentials are few. Non-essentials are many. Charity often takes a back seat to non-essential doctrines. Paul exposes the source of mis-ordered priorities in Ephesians 4. What a glorious day it will be when we order our affections rightly! John 17 is good place to find what is close to Jesus heart on the eve of His passion. My heart always leaps for joy when I hear Francis articulate his love for the Lord Jesus. I also love the spirit of humility you brothers demonstrate consistently in your podcasts. Afer listening to this episode, I thought about two statements in the parable of the prodigal son, the offended older brother, and the loving father - found in Luke 15. The older brother - when complaing to his father about the delight his father showed toward his younger brother (because he had brought disgrace to the family name) - referred to his younger brother as "THIS SON OF YOURS". The father - when speaking to his oldest son about his delight in BOTH of his sons (but especially of his younger son's return home) - referred to his younger brother as "THIS BROTHER OF YOURS". THIS SON OF YOURS...THIS BROTHER OF YOURS...the first arising from the divine nature of God, the second arising from the sinful nature of man. The father in the parable was not content to have a family where his children called him "MY FATHER", but refused to call each other "MY BROTHER". Maybe that is why the first word of the Lord's prayer is OUR...Our Father in heaven. I pray that believers who are growing closer to Jesus through their devotion to the apostle's teaching, to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread, and prayer, and consequently feeling the burning desire in Jesus heart for the unity of His people, will seek the Lord together and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to them creative ways to make their love for God and one another visible in their communities. I believe the schemes of men who claim to be servants of Jesus Christ, yet divide the church through the "doctrines" they teach (Ephesians 4), will become increasingly detestable to the follwers of Jesus as we mature and as we approach the day of His coming. The Lord is raising up shepherds after His own heart, and these faithful shepherds will lead His people in a way that expresses to the world the unity for which Jesus prayed. "Glory belongs to God in the church and in Christ Jesus for all time and eternity! Amen." (Ephesians 3:21 GWT)
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I don't agree with all that that he does, even though I'm a Pentecostal and we get confused with Charismatics. However, he seems so nice and genuine. I hope his ministry excels. ❤❤
IMO you can love someone (who isn't a wife) without trusting or even liking them. For example, I can love a homeless person by getting them food, and sharing the gospel. But do I trust them also? I just met them, how can I like them? Apostle Paul talks of unity but he parted ways with Barnabas because they disagreed about John Mark. Paul doesn't trust Mark nor does he seem to like him much. But will he not show him love? If John Mark needed him will he not help him? I think the love we are called to have is different than the worldly love we are accustomed to. Acts 15:36-39 Paul and Barnabas Separate 36 After some time Paul said to Barnabas, “Let’s go back and visit each city where we previously preached the word of the Lord, to see how the new believers are doing.” 37 Barnabas agreed and wanted to take along John Mark. 38 But Paul disagreed strongly, since John Mark had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in their work. 39 Their disagreement was so sharp that they separated. Barnabas took John Mark with him and sailed for Cyprus.
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If the hosts were fully in Communion with the Catholic Church, they would have likely told Francis, in the revelation of 7-8 miscarriages, that God has them all with Him, that the souls He Gave them are with Him, and perhaps given an encouraging word of blessing in that vain. Instead they jumped right into the topic after such a beautiful admission. God's Love to you all.
What Francis seems to explain is completely selfless worship is where he feels the love of God. In my own personal experience that's where I feel God's love most. Im a musician and worship this way for me is through song but we all can have our own special moments with God in true selfless worship. True humble and selfless worship puts us in the presence of God in a personal way and that's unity with God. To commune with our God in the spirit with all we have. That builds us up to love and have unity with others. We love because He first loved us. God bless all of you who read this, may your heart find genuine worship time each day, Amen.
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If you want real unity, you need to be able to submit to the rulings of an ecumenical council. That would be a great place to start. Anything else will be severely lacking.
I think anti-denominationalism is bad. But, not trying our best to really get to the heart of our differences, on eachother's terms, and then comparing those terms together against the Bible and history, I think are more of what we can do, in addition to praying earnestly for unity, as Reformed Catholics (Protestants)
I remember speaking with a "Muslim" lady who when I asked her about Jesus, told me that she loved Him, that He was the God Miracle. I knew that He was so much more to her than a prophet. I believe that we believers are just in different places in our understanding. The Holy Spirit will lead all true believers into the same TRUTH where we will be one mind and speak the same thing
i read what Catholics believe of protestants is that they are a mission field. They write they can not judge if protestants are saved, but protestants need the sacrements for the forgiveness of the priest, mortal sin. it is all their catchecism Catholics can not judge if a protestant is saved, should not judge a soul's salvation. Yet, they canonize their Saints, isn't that a judgement ? ! Great Frances.
Catholics aren't allowed to think of themselves as saved either. They believe sanctification is a process, and it might not be finished even when you die. They think it's the sin of presumption to state that they know they are going to heaven.
There cannot be unity with division on the truth of Jesus! The only way is to submit yourself to His Truth. To ask WHY does His Church teach the things it does and you will see it is all about unity in submitting ourselves to Christ which is truly what it means to “have Faith”. Everything that Francis said about God’s love and grace is correct, but “having Faith” is always glossed over. He is calling us to TRUST Him more deeply than we trust ANYTHING and ANYONE else. This means obedience, honor, glorifying our LORD. It means worshipping on our knees or on our face. It means being in complete communion with him in the Sacrament of the Eucharist. BUT our concern should not be on what if any of that has anything to do with MY salvation. We should do all of these things SO THAT others will know the love of Christ. We should want to submit to the whole BODY OF CHRIST in His Church and in His Eucharist because this is how we join His plan for the Salvation of the World. Catholic Faith understood properly will lead all of us to a much deeper and intimate relationship with Jesus that we ever knew possible.
Catholic Churches aren’t the only groups that don’t allowed people to partake in communion. Many denominations do. 🤷🏼♀️ I say we need to hold the same measuring stick. I needed a letter from a former church to have communion in a church. Better believe I tried to make myself part of the church. But I never felt welcome.
When did Jesus ever speak to God the Holy Spirit, saying He couldn't wait until the three of them got together again, or prayed for us to be one with the three of them? If he's a separate person, why did He never have a conversation? I count two that conversate and have unity as one -- just like God's image is two -- male and female, who have unity as one (Gen 1:27; 5:2).
Is it true that you don't think Catholics are believers? I find that hard to believe that you would think that, but I do notice you don't have dialogue w/ Catholics and a lot of other Christian channels do now, while we're on the subject of unity.
@@paulral I think you're asking me the second part. Channels like Pastor Gavin Ortlunds, Truth Unites, has wonderful dialogues w/ Catholics. He's even done very respectful debates on Catholic channels like Pints with Aquinas. Gospel Simplicity has mostly become devoted to Catholic/Orthodox dialogue. Ten Minute Bible Hour goes to all manner of churches, esp. tradition ones. There a a few others that I can't think of the names of right now. Pints w/ Aquinas is a good Catholic channel that has protestant guests on too. I like this echumenical spirit.
Ok so why did Francis Chan promote the Catholic view of the eucharist and said ALL Christians should take part in the "Cathokic" definition of the communion?
He is right. Christians have always held that belief except for a few fringe groups that were suppressed and groups that came during/after the reformation.
I'd agree with Luther's assertion that justification is the ultimate breakpoint. I used to be very tribal myself. That said, when Francis Chan hops on stage with someone like Steven Furtick who has taught some public false gospel teachings, it gives Furtick some credence from Chan. The breakpoint isn't denominational, it's in truth and some association. In a more charismatic example, Dr. Michael Brown goes to the mat for Sid Roth, and Sid Roth has abject lunatics on his show. It is difficult to stand united beside people who honor others that do not handle the Word rightly. I mean, I want them to be saved or pray that they are, but I can't unite in that way.
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Shalom, "Yahushua mentioned the importance of Truth in John 4:23 as The Father is seeking those who will worship in spirit and "truth". For a glimpse of Truth that can bring about unity, and to be introduced to "The Begotten Son" who existed before the creation of the world, watch the video by Bible Scribe " The Word of God, The Logos, The "Logon Tou Theou". Shalom.
Does nobody read Romans 14? God says right there in Pauls words that I am not supposed to care about your theology as long as it leads to Him. Why can't denominations get that right? We are supposed to be all together in unity even in the midst of difference.
As the Bible says in Amos, two can't walk together unless they agree. The fact that denominations elevate their own traditions above scripture means they're never be able to agree on anything in spite of their differences. True Christianity unity can't exist until every professing Christian's theology is aligned with the doctrines laid out in scripture.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 I see that the only reason that there is no unity is because people think their denom is best, and that is a lie from hell. Pastors are complicit if they don't preach against this. There is no reason we can not get along. Amos 3:3 "Do two walk together, unless they have agreed to meet?". This is not a theological statement. It is rather a question asked to elicit a particular thought in the mind of the listener. In this case it is very nearly a sarcastic question God uses to drive home His point. Lets everyone stop finding reasons in the bible to hate each other.
Also, the Catholic church teaches justification by faith, just as protestants do. They believe that salvation is a life-long journey, however, and that one must continue to cooperte with the grace of God throughout their life, after the moment of justification, to remain in the grace of God and reach ultimate salvation upon Christ's return or death and entrance into the etneral state (final judgement). So the issue is not actually Justification between Catholics and protestants, but its actually perserverance in the faith. Many protestants (though by no means all) are "once saved, always saved", meaning that the work of justification through faith is a one time act, and that a "saved" person can never fall away from their faith and fall out of a state of grace with God. Catholics do not believe this (and I would argue that the Bible does not teach this, nor did the Church faithers believe this the first thousand plus years of church life), but then again neither do many protestants! :)
the RC altar is not the Lord's table, and the "unbloody sacrifice" of the ritual mass is not communion. it doesn't matter what individual Roman Catholic's believe about justification, because actual RC doctrine is antithetical to the true gospel. RC's need to be freed from the religious bondage they are in. emphasizing unity over truth is error
Psalm 111 : 7,8,10. And Isaiah 8: 20. Yes there is many churches and denominations that do not take these verses serious. The only commandments God wrote down with His very own hand was the Ten Commandments. ( Exodus chapter 20. During the dark ages. Rome changed the 10 commandments to their liking. Yes Commandment # 2 , 4 , 9, 10. Cheque out the difference between the commandments God wrote, ( Exodus 20 ) and the ones Rome wrote and you will see the difference. Some may think that it is not a big deal. But God does Revelation 12 : 17. And the Bible says the Sin I’d the transgression of God’s law. Revelation 12 : 17 tells us that this will be the last contention between God’ s true followers and Satans followers.
Word of Promise App 51 Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. Luke 12:51 NKJV Truth will divide. Denominations are man-made. How do you know their hearts Francis, you don't, only God knows. Doctrines divide. What has Truth to do with lies, nothing.
Real unity is a product of the Holy Spirit. Practically speaking, it begins with being baptized in the Holy Spirit and then, day after day, being filled with the Holy Spirit. What about truth? Issues of doctrine or truth between one another then begin to evaporate because it is the Spirit that leads one into truth, truth also being under the stewardship of the Holy Spirit . Ultimately, the Church becomes unified not because we tried to negotiate and compromise ourselves into unity but because we find ourselves in the Spirit all sitting around the very same campfire of truth and righteousness and humility and love; looking across the flames at others who love and are filled with The Flame, just as we are. If you want to experience unity horizontally, receive the Holy Spirit. Any other route is carnal and will result in schism. Show me a space void of the Spirit and I will show you schism.
I love Francis and used to love his preaching. He's super gung ho for unity, but i don't believe he ever stopped to wonder who we're supposed to have unity with. The Bible also says to have no unity with non believers, darkness, the world, etc. I think the Bible is really very clear that we're supposed to have unity with fellow followers of Jesus, but not with others. Yes we are supposed to LOVE even enemies. But no we are not supposed to have spiritual unity with darkness. And yes that includes Catholics. They literally have a different religion and gospel and way to be saved from us. No we can't be unified with that kind of satanic stuff. Beware the Leaven of the pharisees. I Love Francis Chan. But I stopped trusting him a while ago now. Which sucks. But please believe me, Christians are Not supposed to have spiritual unity with heretics or non believers. We are supposed to love them. And of course we can have lunch with sinners. But i wouldn't want to have lunch with Francis Chan because he is so wrong about so much. He used to be literally one of my favorite preachers up with Paul Washer, back in the day. I Love y'all. Have a great day.
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Satan wants Die-Vision (denominations, non denomination, etc.) so we don’t share our gifts and understanding of Truth (in Scripture) in love with one another. Pride says, it’s our way or the highway. Jesus was not any of these. Follow Him Alone! We’re all at different stages of growth. LOVE IS THE WAY (Mark 12:30-31)!
The Catalysm of the Kingdom of Heaven is a unifying creed for Christianity. Neither progressive nor the status quo. It provides structure for Christians to live out their personal priesthood. As long as we rely on local pastors doing their personal takes on faith, we will continue to be divided. Why? Because it is the essence of a building based faith - not a personal priesthood based faith. The doctrines that support buildings and church building growth will never be as beautiful, simple, and effective as doctrines that direct us individually. The book is a paradigm shifter.
In the upper room in Book of Acts, you know all those believers had different levels of belief. But they all worshipped in Holiness and were guided into doctrinal perfection by Christ in Spirit. So there is unity, but man cannot bring it about by telling people to be in unity. People being called to stop thinking, being dumbed down is nothing Jesus ever did. Loving the truth and speaking the truth that heals people, that is the Unity of God. We don't do mass marriage with budda brain mind wipe. Christians are taught to seek and he shall find. Not everyone seeks at the same effort. No one is equal to anyone. No one will ever be equal to anyone. Even angels are all different. Gabriel is not equal to Michael. Its American mythology. Equal is a brand of fake sugar.
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Luke 12 49 “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled! 50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished! 51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.
Wow, I can't believe you found it! You found the perfect rebuttal, and I'm convinced that all these people are antichrists here to create and spread heresy in the body of Christ! These few verses about Jesus willingly causing division between those who choose to follow him and those who refuse to follow him is the perfect way to reject this discussion about unity in the church that Jesus desperately prayed for in John 17. How dare these people try to follow Jesus by loving and joining with other members of the body of Christ. I can't believe how evil these people are. It's disgusting. Thanks for sharing these verses. I have to go now and cause more division in my local church because I see now that's what Jesus would want.
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the RUclips videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
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The only unity is everyone having grace and mercy for backsliders and hypocrites who are all at different levels of repentance in belief vs their unbelief. All true doctrines need to be willfully accepted so that means no beating people up with scripture, we are not John Calvin here ready to burn people for errors. Jesus Christ is our unity. This is why the Apostles Creed was decided upon, because left field was full of people out in left field.
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@@jacobdkelley Calvinism is heresy and is not the Gospel. You can research the history of amillenialism behind it as Rome, Calvin, and Luther harboured Jew-hating ideology. Calvin never renounced his infant baptism for regeneration, which is Romanist doctrine. Luther believed Mary was the theotokos and died a virgin, also romanist doctrine. It is replacement theology that the Church has replaced Jews and Israel, which is plainly not true when you live in reality and look at Israel today. Calvinism stems from allegorising Scripture, an easily subjective method. Calvin and Luther both advocated persecution, which is commanded to them nowhere by the LORD Jesus Christ.
@@jacobdkelley it sounds like you need to also talk openly about the pedophilia and abuse tolerated at MacArthur's megachurch and how he apparently has his empire run by only his family and close yes-men.
@@jacobdkelley LUTHER'S JEWS by Kaufmann is a good book about the disgusting Jew-hatred of Luther against the very Scriptures he translated. His teachings later inspired Nazi Germany. MARTIN LUTHER'S ANTISEMITISM is a concise book written by Gritsch is a look at how Luther embraced the same, typical beliefs of the society he lived in. The Bible commands you to be separate from the world, not think and react like the world. The author is an educated Lutheran himself who at least is being honest. ISRAEL BETRAYED is a two-volume series of the history of replacement theology that is ALWAYS closely associated with Jew-hatred, embraced by Rome and Calvin and the Anglican Church, etc. The true faithful Christians had utmost respect for Jews and prayed for them to return to their homeland as promised. Today, church Jew-hatred continues either overtly by those getting active in BDS, or passively by those who never talk about the importance of Israel, her future, and to share the Gospel that is to the Jew first. Calvinists today don't talk much about Israel and Jews, and at least in USA, they are narcissistic in their teachings as the rest of the American church world.
Did you not hear him rejoicing in how beautiful it is to read verses about Jesus speaking to the Father? I don't usually listen to stuff outside of what theology I'm used to but I found this to be very encouraging.
@@paulc7190 I'm not interested in hearing the wrong stuff or someone's opinion of what they believe. I have the scripture for that. But if you enjoy have at it.
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One of the things the Holy Spirit brings conviction to me is getting along with others. Specially because I’m recovering from social anxiety and I literally hated because truly I hated myself and I left the church and then I came back and had to learn to love myself and others and then to see how divided we are. It’s discouraging but the Holy Spirit keeps speaking the same things and bringing conviction to my heart about trying to keep the peace with everyone and heal broken relationships 😭
I love this message! I have been praying for the Unity of the Body of Believers for 8 years. Love is the #1 thing to get right! I am in love with Jesus too!!! ❤❤❤
The High Priestly prayer of Christ … “That they would be one even as You and I are One …” Starting with repentance in our pointing fingers at one another for what each believes, let’s repent and seek God’s face. We keep each other from unity. I’ve been called an apostate for being Eastern Orthodox, which I have not been all my life, and I’m able to keep deep relationships with friends who love Christ. By the the Holy Trinity this can happen.
Unity is understanding that we are one in Christ, even if our traditions are different.
Father thank you so much for this brother's pursuit in understanding unity in our Lord and savior's church. Thank you that I see so many brothers and sisters who are meditating on this topic of unity that is so incredibly important to you. Thank you that those of us meditating on unity are not alone. Thank you for all our brothers and sisters whoever they are and wherever they are. I pray that you circumcize all of our hearts so that all of us can love one another and accept that we are all fearfully and wonderfully made, unique but equal. I pray that you soften the soil of our hearts so we can have fertile ground. Lord you have commanded us not to be partial and to judge with a righteous judgment, so I pray that your Holy Spirit will help and empower each member in the whole body of Christ shed it's partiality. I pray that we will shed family and societal cultural differences, denominations, doctrines, the way things look, and how we think they ought to look. Father, please forgive us all of our pride in what we think we know. Lord, even when we think we know something, we do not know, as you are the only one who is all-knowing. Lord you are able to do infinitely more than we would ever dare to ask or hope for, so I ask that each individual, then together as the whole body of Christ, that we will not lean on our own understanding, but be truly united in love that can only come from you. That we will be united in love in truth, on your terms, not our own, and that you will empower us to accept and receive it. We ask you this in Jesus name Amen
I have so much to say to this… First of all, God bless you, Mr Chan, for pursuing the path the Lord has illuminated for you. I spent a lot of my life in a house church and it was the best experience. Honestly, I continue to seek the closeness, the true discipleship, the unity found within the differences of the members of the Body in my life now that I found then. I hope that makes sense. As a lifelong non-denominational believer, I genuinely appreciate Chan’s openness and growth in embracing the real presence in Communion/Eucharist. Throwing out the baby with the bath water is a classic mistake, one which I’d prefer to stop making, and I agree with Chan that this may well be one of those instances…. Oh how I would love to see the day when preachers teach their people without insulting and /or arguing against another denomination. When a maniac is at the door, warring brothers reconcile. It’s past time for the Church to learn that. I’m reminded again that unity does not mean same. God created not one flower but many to populate His garden. Together, all the flowers make one beautiful garden. We don’t have to agree on every point of doctrine to submit ourselves to Jesus and therefore love one another. I’m not talking about actual rejection of the central truth of the Gospel: that Jesus, son of the living God, is our salvation! I am talking about bearing with one another as we walk through this life according to the light our good God chooses to shed on each of us. It’s so crucial to remember that none of us - not one! - is done yet. He is perfecting us each moment… Finally, thanks to the Remnant guys for having this conversation. I’m grateful.
I love Francis so much. He really encouraged me, when I was a young believer, but I have to say the past few years, he confused me, because he doesn’t talk clear about differences we have, especially with Roman Catholics. We don’t believe in the same way of justification, we don’t believe in purgatory, the treasury of merit, intersession of the saints, the Marian dogma, mass for the dead etc. it is so confusing that Francis doesn’t speak clearly about his view of these things. I love his strive for unity, but he also has to consider that he is a public figure and many weak and young believers look up to him and get really confused and anxiety about it. Because they just don’t know where he truly stands on these issues. I truly believe that he doesn’t want people to get confused in their beliefs because of him, but some truly do. Still love him, but I always wait for a video where he actually clearly speaks about his standpoints on important issues. Because at the end, he has an opinion about the Marian dogma, but nobody knows what it truly is, and that is one of the reasons many evangelicals have trust issues with him. I still love him and see the spirit in him, I just wish he would be more straightforward about his own beliefs.
Wow. The part halfway through where Francis broke down and talked about his own heart for the interview really spoke to me. Made me consider the times where I may have viewed my own ministry in this way. Valuing the teaching and organization piece mote than the people who needed valued in the moment.
You guys are helpful with keys to unity.❤ Quite so! Succinct and clear! Less is usually more. Thank u!
Exactly, our unity is in the love we share for God! I'm blown away with how few people in the church want to talk about the Lord and even fewer desire to share the gospel to the lost. The glory of God is the most important thing in my life.
I have read the book and now heard the interview. More convinced than ever that much prayer is needed for this unity. No wonder Paul prayed for the Ephesians to understand and know God's love first of all and then that they would guard/keep the unity that would be a result of that love. May we know, hear and obey too. 🙏🏻❤
Great episode! Francis’ raw nature and love for the Lord is infectious. I have a hard time not getting angry at some of the comments you guys receive here.
I've watched this episode twice. I'm still in awe of God's love and how this discussion felt so basic but so refreshing. When we feel God's love, it just puts so much into perspective. This was spirit food. 🙌
I love My Brother Francis’s vulnerability to our Heavenly Father. He really is an example of a person whose priority is to honor our Heavenly Father! Especially his emphasis on loving people through Christ and as Christ did for this was the very precious characteristic of our Heavenly Father!
It amazes me the people who call into question Francis Chan's theology, but doesn't question John MacArthur and other popular pastors. And I know I will take some flack for this. I used to love reading and listening to Francis Chan, Ravi Zacharias (sp) and John MacArthur. I learned so much from all three. I keep coming back to Francis Chan because he's so non judgmental and you can just feel the love he has for God. My heart truly hurt with the whole Ravi scandal. I felt so deceived. And now I feel the same about John MacArthur with the Eileen and David Gray issue of John MacArthur publicly shaming and excommunicating Eileen Gray for coming to GCC about David Gray being abusive towards her and her children (sexual abuse) and seeking help and guidance. David Gray was a teacher at GCC. Instead, they encouraged Eileen to pray for her husband and to stay with him, though he was eventually convicted and is in prison for the abuse. John MacArthur and GCC still supports David Gray while he's in prison under the pretense of prison ministry. John MacArthur told Eileen she needed to show David grace, but yet it seems John MacArthur only showed grace to the abuser David Gray instead of to the victims Eileen and her children. And yet no matter, people still call others out as false prophets while still staunchly defending John MacArthur and GCC. What I learned through all of this is to not put these men on a pedestal that only belongs to God.
I also believe all this infighting between denominations really hurts us. It's division within the church and we are all one church as believers in Christ regardless of your denomination. Early Christians did not belong to a denomination...they were just followers of Christ. And Jesus and His Disciples were all Jews...they were not Catholic or Protestant. The early Christians were a mix of Jews and Gentiles.
I believe some Catholics are unfairly judged. My husband is Catholic and he doesn't believe in the rosary, doesn't believe that Mary was a perpetual virgin, doesn't pray to Mary, doesn't believe in the Pope, doesn't believe you have to do works to be saved, etc. Yet I grew up So. Baptist and today I have to fight inward against myself about being legalistic because my church was legalistic and preached more on fire and brimstone than on God's love, mercy, grace, forgiveness. The way I was taught in church has hurt me so much as an adult believer in God, yet, my husband who grew up in Catholic private school has love for everyone and is non-judgmental. His words are full of love and he doesn't argue, fight, cause division, etc. So I think it's really unfair for Christians to look down on people of other denominations. No one inside of a church denomination thinks the exact same or worships the exact same. We all get some things right and we all get some things wrong theologically.
I admire and respect Francis Chan. When he was beginning to get too big in his church, he stepped away from it so that people wouldn't "worship" him, but rather God. I don't believe Jesus was into multi-million dollar mega churches. I don't believe planting churches were ever about being a mega church. Jesus and His Disciples lived very humble lives, yet today you don't see many mega pastors living very humbly outwardly. I see so many pastors on RUclips calling out other pastors and churches as false prophets, etc. Instead of uniting, they are causing more division and in-fighting.
I believe that Francis Chan has extended love, grace, and forgiveness against those who have labeled him a heretic and false prophet. I pray that I can do the same for people who have hurt me or who do not like me.
Meg such a long post. Most ppl are denominational and defend it. I found this out when I questioned a Catholic priest's homily. I finally left the RCC at 57 which is old. About 5 years prior I stopped rosary, Mary prayers later, St Michael prayers then left after a heretical homily! I was devout. Even if a Catholic says they don't do certain things it's still in the dogmas. Your husband is actually considered anathema by Catholic teaching for not believing Mary was a perpetual virgin, etc. So Idk if he knows that? Now I find I question and don't agree with any Church or pastor. I'm still trying to find a church home. The Baptist lady I walk with does seem legalistic although I don't think she sees it!
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Meg, you took the words right out of my mouth!!! I agree with all of this 💛
Your husband doesn't hold to the doctrines of the Catholic church though in a traditional way. Catholics are to believe all the dogmas esp. I don't mind him being this type of protestant mix Catholic, but but I know the RCC does, and so would most Catholics.
I go to a Baptist church and when we had a new minister, we invited people/leaders from the other churches in the area (including Catholics) and they came and we worshiped Jesus together. Now you won't get me praying to Mary and I am not convinced on the Catholic transubstantiation in communion, but I will happily take communion with someone else that believes Jesus is God and he died for our sins. It is interesting to see how much resistance there is to Chan's message. But of course the answer is obvious, a united church is an unstoppable church. A people united around their love of God and of each other will never be defeated and the devil is scared of that.
Daniel 2: “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever."
That is wonderful to embrace all Christians. This is unity in action.
I'm a part of a Unity ministry at my college and Francis' books and talks have been so helpful for us!
I love alll Remnant episodes but some don’t spark excitement in me when I see the title. This was one of those but wow. This was really beautiful and I enjoyed it so much. Love Francis Chan! His humility and love for Jesus is so raw
I found this really disappointing and sadly, unsurprising. Chan is apostate and has united himself with Rome the Whore, if he's going to teach anyone about "Christian unity." The Bible forbids that clearly, and Americans are so blind because they're emotionally driven and deceived.
Someone in the chat said, "Unity Equals Compromise." At the first council of Jerusalem as recorded in Acts, the Church compromised, between the liberty of Paul and the Law adherents associated with James. And Paul, in submission, held to their ruling that gentiles should not eat meat sacrificed to idols EVEN THOUGH he previously taught the opposite. Anyone who really knows Church History knows it is a whole series of compromises between the two tendencies to go too far left and too far right. Virtue is in the mean, Christ is in the Center, avoid diverting to the left or right and Look unto The Lord. Amen.
I really hope to see some interaction between Francis and Gavin Ortlund on the topic of unity at some point.
That would be incredible!!
@@judahmwania I hope they aren't weary of each other because of their different ecclesiologies or something. That would be a very silly reason for two christians who are passionate about unity to divide. (not that ecclesiology doesn't matter, it matters immensely that the church believes rightly about itself.)
I hate repeating this but no I don’t agree with everything Mr Chan says but the general theme I love is that we do need more unity around the essentials that if we agree on that we can be one! Also I have seen Francis speak several times in the past online and he really seems like he has grown a lot now in ways I never did before in my opinion
Looks like Remnant Radio does frequently raise issues concerning Catholicism (not always in a positive way), but I haven't seen them make any effort to understand either the official Catholic position if I observe the range of speakers they interview on the show. Here is a thought for 2024, why not invite a Catholic theologian (Dr. Brant Pitre, Michael Loftus, etc.) or Apologist (Jimmy Akin, Trent Horn, etc.) for a respectful dialogues on the many issues that bother you about Catholicism? It is just fair to hear from the horses' mouth (primary sources) than looking for secondary sources.
There is also such a thing as ungodly unity.
You're conviction is correct, brothers: charismatics DO have sophomoric theology because you simply don't believe God's word is sufficient.
1. Jesus prayed for his disciples to be one as Jesus and Father are one.
What do they share? The Holy Spirit, as 3rd person in the Trinity.
2. The Holy Spirit indwells ALL believers after Pentecost. All who have the Spirit have the same unity now that Jesus and the Father and Spirit share. (Eph. 1:13 "when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, WERE sealed with the promised Holy Spirit")
3. Eph. 4:3 Be "eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." MAINTAIN.
Not "achieve". Maintain the unity that we already have. Believe God's Word!
You don't need to achieve what you already have. And that is the perfect picture of what it means to be a charismatic.
God: I've given you all you need for life and godliness, including my Spirit, a deposit, a seal, a promise.
Charismatic: No I want more Daddy.
Your passion is laudable, but yes, it is very sophomoric.
And just to warn you: the anti-Christ's ecumenical message for the One World Order IS "We will achieve unity".
What did the wicked men say at the Tower of Babel? "We will achieve unity".
Chan is practically a Roman Catholic. Roman Catholics are trying to "Unify" with Muslims and other cults.
There is also such a thing as ungodly unity.
BTW there will never be a PURE CHURCH if that is what you thing unity looks like. You all know this right?
"19 for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized." 1 Cor.
"30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” Matt. 13, parable of wheat and tares.
"33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left." Matt. 25
"34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. " Matt. 10
Is the "unity" you want compatible with what Jesus taught?
Hard to say, you all very much seem to want an emotional experience that is grounded in "spirit" but not Truth, God's Word.
Or are you trying to achieve unity with tares and goats?
Francis Chan is an awesome guy. me as an men I recognise he is god loving men, but he speaks a totally different language that me. If I’m honest he is to emotional for me. Yes David he was emotional to but he also he was a warrior. I know there is much more women in the church an they like this type of preaching. But for a lot of men we need more types like David and still Francis is awesome guy you can learn a lot from him.
Everything that the Catholic Church does is to help us love Jesus with that perfected unity that the Scripture calls us to.
Finished the show, great content, wonderful interview, keep up the great work guys. Interestingly, the same reasoning Francis Chan puts into the reason he tried to excommunicate the woman is the exact reason the Catholic Church bars protestants from Communion. The Reformers broke Covenant, they committed divorce unjustly instead of sticking through and reforming from within.
There was no reforming the RCC from w/in. It was all powerful and you couldn't oppose it. People were excommunicated or killed for opposing it.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 Peace to you and Blessings. Your namesake is a beautiful reminder of the Strength of Witness of His Saints in the face of just such a corrupt hierarchy as you suppose. Except, Joan, unbeknownst to her, could have asked to be tried directly by the Pope, and likely would have had her whole case over turned and the wicked Bishop who prosecuted her brought to Justice. Another item you might consider, though perhaps is not applicable because you have not specified the time period you are referring to though I presume it is from 1100-1650, is that reform from within actually did happen after the Protestant Scattering, it's called the Council of Trent. Many clerical abuses, excesses, and errors of doctrine were redressed, remonstrated, rebutted, and reliably dealt with. The evidence is the following centuries. But there have always been times of reform within The Catholic Church, Councils play a large part in that actually, and all authentic Reform starts in the Catholic Church, Remains in the Catholic Church, and Renews the Catholic Church. As a further evidence, St. John of The Cross and St. Theresa of Avila, two oft spoken of by the channel owners/content creators, were reformers who were persecuted but nonetheless remained in the confines of The Church, outlasted their enemies, and we enjoy the fruit of their steadfastness under persecutions to this day. Another example worth considering is St. Francis of Assisi. The enemy is not the Catholic Church. As an aside, I find it interesting that St. Bernard of Clairvaux was cited as a source of renewal for Josh, yet I have heard Michael in prior videos accuse the Catholic church of being possessed by the doctrine of devils regarding priestly celibacy/eunuchs, yet St. Bernard was one of these. Can the hosts explain? Have they moved away from the position that the discipline of priestly celibacy enforced in the Western Church is not, in fact, a doctrine of demons? If not, how can anything St. Bernard of Clairvaux, whose whole life was adherent to the discipline of celibacy, be considered a useful or valid source of information or renewal, if he was a recipient and proponent of doctrines of devils? Thank you and God's Love to you!
The Eucharist and baptism unifies all Christians to the body of Christ. The one true church Jesus started is united all around the world with the same scripture readings each week, breaking break with each other and believing in one theology.
Amen and Amen. I believe Francis wants to say this but isn’t ready to submit himself to the truth.
There cannot be unity with division on the truth of Jesus!
The only way is to submit yourself to His Truth. Yo ask WHY does His Church teach the things it does and you will see it is all about unity in submitting ourselves to Christ which is truly what it means to “have Faith”.
Everything that Francis said about God’s love and grace is correct, but “having Faith” is always glossed over. He is calling us to TRUST Him more deeply than we trust ANYTHING and ANYONE else.
This means obedience, honor, glorifying our LORD. It means worshipping on our knees or on our face. It means being in complete communion with him in the Sacrament of the Eucharist.
BUT our concern should not be on what if any of that has anything to do with MY salvation. We should do all of these things SO THAT others will know the love of Christ. We should want to submit to the whole BODY OF CHRIST in His Church and in His Eucharist because this is how we join His plan for the Salvation of the World.
Catholic Faith understood properly will lead all of us to a much deeper and intimate relationship with Jesus that we ever knew possible.
Good topic. Yeah I've had a few friends do Catholic preaching that they were invited to. They took it as an evangelistic opportunity. One friend had a continual revival type preaching time. God moves and some go looking for other churches when they get the Holy Spirit. Another doctrinal friend did some q n a sessions with Mormons and I think he ignored the obvious differences and just treated them as an evangelistic field. It's hard when you look at the church members who know way less than the leaders, but are seeking God in some way. The leaders, however, know more of the dangerous doctrine.
Sometimes I think that the churches I disagree with try to borrow practices from charismatic churches to help their churches gain popularity, which I would not want to be a part of. A part of me focuses on the scriptures that tell us to separate. But the line is difficult, honestly. Are we leading some from these weaker denominations into the place where they stand before God who says "I never knew you"? "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?" All things to weigh.
2Th 3: 6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2Thes 3: 14-15 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
Mat 18: 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
Rom 16: 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences 'contrary to the doctrine' which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Co 5: 11-13 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1Ti 6: 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
2Jo 9-119 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. 11 Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
2Tim 3: 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
1Tim 1: 20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
Heb 12: 15-16 15 See to it diligently that no man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; 16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
James 4: 4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Also this one:
“But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.”
1 Timothy 3:15 NABRE
It seems obvious that the disciples and early Apostles were planting A church who unified by the tradition and doctrine of that church. And it was that same church who exists today who teaches us to SUBMIT ourselves to the Truth rather than trying to define it as if we are above God.
What I don't understand is why ask someone else to preach the gospel. Why not reform their Catholic church so that its priests do it?
There are plenty of protestant groups that have closed communion, too, brothers. Its hardly only Catholics.
Such a very important and timely episode on Unity. Thank you elevating the heart of Jesus above all else.
Essentials are few.
Non-essentials are many.
Charity often takes a back seat to non-essential doctrines.
Paul exposes the source of mis-ordered priorities in Ephesians 4.
What a glorious day it will be when we order our affections rightly! John 17 is good place to find what is close to Jesus heart on the eve of His passion.
My heart always leaps for joy when I hear Francis articulate his love for the Lord Jesus.
I also love the spirit of humility you brothers demonstrate consistently in your podcasts.
Afer listening to this episode,
I thought about two statements in the parable of the prodigal son, the offended older brother, and the loving father - found in Luke 15.
The older brother - when complaing to his father about the delight his father showed toward his younger brother (because he had brought disgrace to the family name) - referred to his younger brother as "THIS SON OF YOURS".
The father - when speaking to his oldest son about his delight in BOTH of his sons (but especially of his younger son's return home) - referred to his younger brother as "THIS BROTHER OF YOURS".
THIS SON OF YOURS...THIS BROTHER OF YOURS...the first arising from the divine nature of God, the second arising from the sinful nature of man.
The father in the parable was not content to have a family where his children called him "MY FATHER", but refused to call each other "MY BROTHER".
Maybe that is why the first word of the Lord's prayer is OUR...Our Father in heaven.
I pray that believers who are growing closer to Jesus through their devotion to the apostle's teaching, to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread, and prayer, and consequently feeling the burning desire in Jesus heart for the unity of His people,
will seek the Lord together and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal to them creative ways to make their love for God and one another visible in their communities.
I believe the schemes of men who claim to be servants of Jesus Christ,
yet divide the church through the "doctrines" they teach (Ephesians 4),
will become increasingly detestable to the follwers of Jesus as we mature and as we approach the day of His coming.
The Lord is raising up shepherds after His own heart,
and these faithful shepherds will lead His people in a way that expresses to the world the unity for which Jesus prayed.
"Glory belongs to God in the church and in Christ Jesus for all time and eternity! Amen." (Ephesians 3:21 GWT)
Love your comment my brother / sister
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I don't agree with all that that he does, even though I'm a Pentecostal and we get confused with Charismatics. However, he seems so nice and genuine. I hope his ministry excels. ❤❤
26:23 that was soooo powerful and raw 🔥🔥🔥
What was his answer? Pursuing Jesus brings real unity despite our divisions?
IMO you can love someone (who isn't a wife) without trusting or even liking them. For example, I can love a homeless person by getting them food, and sharing the gospel. But do I trust them also? I just met them, how can I like them? Apostle Paul talks of unity but he parted ways with Barnabas because they disagreed about John Mark. Paul doesn't trust Mark nor does he seem to like him much. But will he not show him love? If John Mark needed him will he not help him? I think the love we are called to have is different than the worldly love we are accustomed to.
Acts 15:36-39
Paul and Barnabas Separate
36 After some time Paul said to Barnabas, “Let’s go back and visit each city where we previously preached the word of the Lord, to see how the new believers are doing.” 37 Barnabas agreed and wanted to take along John Mark. 38 But Paul disagreed strongly, since John Mark had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in their work. 39 Their disagreement was so sharp that they separated. Barnabas took John Mark with him and sailed for Cyprus.
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If the hosts were fully in Communion with the Catholic Church, they would have likely told Francis, in the revelation of 7-8 miscarriages, that God has them all with Him, that the souls He Gave them are with Him, and perhaps given an encouraging word of blessing in that vain. Instead they jumped right into the topic after such a beautiful admission. God's Love to you all.
What Francis seems to explain is completely selfless worship is where he feels the love of God. In my own personal experience that's where I feel God's love most. Im a musician and worship this way for me is through song but we all can have our own special moments with God in true selfless worship. True humble and selfless worship puts us in the presence of God in a personal way and that's unity with God. To commune with our God in the spirit with all we have. That builds us up to love and have unity with others. We love because He first loved us. God bless all of you who read this, may your heart find genuine worship time each day, Amen.
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If you want real unity, you need to be able to submit to the rulings of an ecumenical council. That would be a great place to start. Anything else will be severely lacking.
I think anti-denominationalism is bad. But, not trying our best to really get to the heart of our differences, on eachother's terms, and then comparing those terms together against the Bible and history, I think are more of what we can do, in addition to praying earnestly for unity, as Reformed Catholics (Protestants)
I remember speaking with a "Muslim" lady who when I asked her about Jesus, told me that she loved Him, that He was the God Miracle. I knew that He was so much more to her than a prophet. I believe that we believers are just in different places in our understanding. The Holy Spirit will lead all true believers into the same TRUTH where we will be one mind and speak the same thing
Muslims are NOT Christian’s and do NOT accept the deity of Jesus.
God's plan to answer Christ's prayer in John 17 will be accomplished when He sends the end-times Elijah "to restore all things." May it be soon!
I can't seem to connect with Francis I guess not my cup of tea! Shoutout from the UK 🇬🇧
i read what Catholics believe of protestants is that they are a mission field. They write they can not judge if protestants are saved, but protestants need the sacrements for the forgiveness of the priest, mortal sin. it is all their catchecism
Catholics can not judge if a protestant is saved, should not judge a soul's salvation. Yet, they canonize their Saints, isn't that a judgement ? !
Great Frances.
Catholics aren't allowed to think of themselves as saved either. They believe sanctification is a process, and it might not be finished even when you die. They think it's the sin of presumption to state that they know they are going to heaven.
There cannot be unity with division on the truth of Jesus!
The only way is to submit yourself to His Truth. To ask WHY does His Church teach the things it does and you will see it is all about unity in submitting ourselves to Christ which is truly what it means to “have Faith”.
Everything that Francis said about God’s love and grace is correct, but “having Faith” is always glossed over. He is calling us to TRUST Him more deeply than we trust ANYTHING and ANYONE else.
This means obedience, honor, glorifying our LORD. It means worshipping on our knees or on our face. It means being in complete communion with him in the Sacrament of the Eucharist.
BUT our concern should not be on what if any of that has anything to do with MY salvation. We should do all of these things SO THAT others will know the love of Christ. We should want to submit to the whole BODY OF CHRIST in His Church and in His Eucharist because this is how we join His plan for the Salvation of the World.
Catholic Faith understood properly will lead all of us to a much deeper and intimate relationship with Jesus that we ever knew possible.
Catholic Churches aren’t the only groups that don’t allowed people to partake in communion. Many denominations do. 🤷🏼♀️ I say we need to hold the same measuring stick. I needed a letter from a former church to have communion in a church. Better believe I tried to make myself part of the church. But I never felt welcome.
When did Jesus ever speak to God the Holy Spirit, saying He couldn't wait until the three of them got together again, or prayed for us to be one with the three of them? If he's a separate person, why did He never have a conversation? I count two that conversate and have unity as one -- just like God's image is two -- male and female, who have unity as one (Gen 1:27; 5:2).
Is it true that you don't think Catholics are believers? I find that hard to believe that you would think that, but I do notice you don't have dialogue w/ Catholics and a lot of other Christian channels do now, while we're on the subject of unity.
@@paulral I think you're asking me the second part. Channels like Pastor Gavin Ortlunds, Truth Unites, has wonderful dialogues w/ Catholics. He's even done very respectful debates on Catholic channels like Pints with Aquinas. Gospel Simplicity has mostly become devoted to Catholic/Orthodox dialogue. Ten Minute Bible Hour goes to all manner of churches, esp. tradition ones. There a a few others that I can't think of the names of right now. Pints w/ Aquinas is a good Catholic channel that has protestant guests on too. I like this echumenical spirit.
Ok so why did Francis Chan promote the Catholic view of the eucharist and said ALL Christians should take part in the "Cathokic" definition of the communion?
He is right. Christians have always held that belief except for a few fringe groups that were suppressed and groups that came during/after the reformation.
I'd agree with Luther's assertion that justification is the ultimate breakpoint. I used to be very tribal myself. That said, when Francis Chan hops on stage with someone like Steven Furtick who has taught some public false gospel teachings, it gives Furtick some credence from Chan. The breakpoint isn't denominational, it's in truth and some association.
In a more charismatic example, Dr. Michael Brown goes to the mat for Sid Roth, and Sid Roth has abject lunatics on his show. It is difficult to stand united beside people who honor others that do not handle the Word rightly. I mean, I want them to be saved or pray that they are, but I can't unite in that way.
Right, It's a matter of judging right judgement. And you SHOULD know what the faith's doctrinal beliefs are. Doctrine matters!
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Shalom, "Yahushua mentioned the importance of Truth in John 4:23 as The Father is seeking those who will worship in spirit and "truth". For a glimpse of Truth that can bring about unity, and to be introduced to "The Begotten Son" who existed before the creation of the world, watch the video by Bible Scribe " The Word of God, The Logos, The "Logon Tou Theou".
Shalom.
@@paulral Shalom, not sure what your comment has to do with truth?
I get it….
Love Francis Chan
Does nobody read Romans 14? God says right there in Pauls words that I am not supposed to care about your theology as long as it leads to Him. Why can't denominations get that right? We are supposed to be all together in unity even in the midst of difference.
As the Bible says in Amos, two can't walk together unless they agree. The fact that denominations elevate their own traditions above scripture means they're never be able to agree on anything in spite of their differences. True Christianity unity can't exist until every professing Christian's theology is aligned with the doctrines laid out in scripture.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 I see that the only reason that there is no unity is because people think their denom is best, and that is a lie from hell. Pastors are complicit if they don't preach against this. There is no reason we can not get along. Amos 3:3 "Do two walk together, unless they have agreed to meet?". This is not a theological statement. It is rather a question asked to elicit a particular thought in the mind of the listener. In this case it is very nearly a sarcastic question God uses to drive home His point.
Lets everyone stop finding reasons in the bible to hate each other.
Also, the Catholic church teaches justification by faith, just as protestants do. They believe that salvation is a life-long journey, however, and that one must continue to cooperte with the grace of God throughout their life, after the moment of justification, to remain in the grace of God and reach ultimate salvation upon Christ's return or death and entrance into the etneral state (final judgement). So the issue is not actually Justification between Catholics and protestants, but its actually perserverance in the faith. Many protestants (though by no means all) are "once saved, always saved", meaning that the work of justification through faith is a one time act, and that a "saved" person can never fall away from their faith and fall out of a state of grace with God. Catholics do not believe this (and I would argue that the Bible does not teach this, nor did the Church faithers believe this the first thousand plus years of church life), but then again neither do many protestants! :)
the RC altar is not the Lord's table, and the "unbloody sacrifice" of the ritual mass is not communion. it doesn't matter what individual Roman Catholic's believe about justification, because actual RC doctrine is antithetical to the true gospel. RC's need to be freed from the religious bondage they are in. emphasizing unity over truth is error
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The Catholic Problem 16:28
Psalm 111 : 7,8,10. And Isaiah 8: 20. Yes there is many churches and denominations that do not take these verses serious. The only commandments God wrote down with His very own hand was the Ten Commandments. ( Exodus chapter 20. During the dark ages. Rome changed the 10 commandments to their liking. Yes Commandment # 2 , 4 , 9, 10. Cheque out the difference between the commandments God wrote, ( Exodus 20 ) and the ones Rome wrote and you will see the difference. Some may think that it is not a big deal. But God does Revelation 12 : 17. And the Bible says the Sin I’d the transgression of God’s law. Revelation 12 : 17 tells us that this will be the last contention between God’ s true followers and Satans followers.
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51 Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division.
Luke 12:51 NKJV
Truth will divide. Denominations are man-made.
How do you know their hearts Francis, you don't, only God knows. Doctrines divide.
What has Truth to do with lies, nothing.
I've always understood this passage to be talking about the division Jesus brings between believers and unbelievers 🤷♂
Real unity is a product of the Holy Spirit. Practically speaking, it begins with being baptized in the Holy Spirit and then, day after day, being filled with the Holy Spirit. What about truth? Issues of doctrine or truth between one another then begin to evaporate because it is the Spirit that leads one into truth, truth also being under the stewardship of the Holy Spirit . Ultimately, the Church becomes unified not because we tried to negotiate and compromise ourselves into unity but because we find ourselves in the Spirit all sitting around the very same campfire of truth and righteousness and humility and love; looking across the flames at others who love and are filled with The Flame, just as we are. If you want to experience unity horizontally, receive the Holy Spirit. Any other route is carnal and will result in schism. Show me a space void of the Spirit and I will show you schism.
I love Francis and used to love his preaching. He's super gung ho for unity, but i don't believe he ever stopped to wonder who we're supposed to have unity with.
The Bible also says to have no unity with non believers, darkness, the world, etc.
I think the Bible is really very clear that we're supposed to have unity with fellow followers of Jesus, but not with others. Yes we are supposed to LOVE even enemies. But no we are not supposed to have spiritual unity with darkness. And yes that includes Catholics. They literally have a different religion and gospel and way to be saved from us. No we can't be unified with that kind of satanic stuff. Beware the Leaven of the pharisees.
I Love Francis Chan. But I stopped trusting him a while ago now. Which sucks.
But please believe me, Christians are Not supposed to have spiritual unity with heretics or non believers. We are supposed to love them. And of course we can have lunch with sinners.
But i wouldn't want to have lunch with Francis Chan because he is so wrong about so much. He used to be literally one of my favorite preachers up with Paul Washer, back in the day.
I Love y'all. Have a great day.
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Satan wants Die-Vision (denominations, non denomination, etc.) so we don’t share our gifts and understanding of Truth (in Scripture) in love with one another. Pride says, it’s our way or the highway. Jesus was not any of these. Follow Him Alone! We’re all at different stages of growth. LOVE IS THE WAY (Mark 12:30-31)!
The Catalysm of the Kingdom of Heaven is a unifying creed for Christianity. Neither progressive nor the status quo. It provides structure for Christians to live out their personal priesthood.
As long as we rely on local pastors doing their personal takes on faith, we will continue to be divided. Why? Because it is the essence of a building based faith - not a personal priesthood based faith.
The doctrines that support buildings and church building growth will never be as beautiful, simple, and effective as doctrines that direct us individually.
The book is a paradigm shifter.
I want to be a best friend too lol
In the upper room in Book of Acts, you know all those believers had different levels of belief. But they all worshipped in Holiness and were guided into doctrinal perfection by Christ in Spirit. So there is unity, but man cannot bring it about by telling people to be in unity. People being called to stop thinking, being dumbed down is nothing Jesus ever did. Loving the truth and speaking the truth that heals people, that is the Unity of God. We don't do mass marriage with budda brain mind wipe. Christians are taught to seek and he shall find. Not everyone seeks at the same effort. No one is equal to anyone. No one will ever be equal to anyone. Even angels are all different. Gabriel is not equal to Michael. Its American mythology. Equal is a brand of fake sugar.
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Luke 12
49 “I came to cast fire on the earth, and would that it were already kindled!
50 I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how great is my distress until it is accomplished!
51 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.
Wow, I can't believe you found it! You found the perfect rebuttal, and I'm convinced that all these people are antichrists here to create and spread heresy in the body of Christ! These few verses about Jesus willingly causing division between those who choose to follow him and those who refuse to follow him is the perfect way to reject this discussion about unity in the church that Jesus desperately prayed for in John 17. How dare these people try to follow Jesus by loving and joining with other members of the body of Christ. I can't believe how evil these people are. It's disgusting. Thanks for sharing these verses. I have to go now and cause more division in my local church because I see now that's what Jesus would want.
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word.
Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.
What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
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Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
Grace and Peace to you. Would you like to be included in our Theology Group chat on a different platform for further discussion?
The group an assortment of people with various theological beliefs and backgrounds. What we all have in common is a desire to discuss the bible, religion and Christianity. It's a good opportunity to witness to non-believers and fellowship with believers.
The only unity is everyone having grace and mercy for backsliders and hypocrites who are all at different levels of repentance in belief vs their unbelief. All true doctrines need to be willfully accepted so that means no beating people up with scripture, we are not John Calvin here ready to burn people for errors. Jesus Christ is our unity. This is why the Apostles Creed was decided upon, because left field was full of people out in left field.
Grace and Peace to you. Would you like to be included in our Theology Group chat on a different platform for further discussion?
The group an assortment of people with various theological beliefs and backgrounds. What we all have in common is a desire to discuss the bible, religion and Christianity. It's a good opportunity to witness to non-believers and fellowship with believers.
Sorry guys I just can’t listen to this. The sped up audio is a bad idea.
I'm not hearing a sped up audio. It's normal now. Maybe there was a load error at first?
Chan is just a product of jmac and his rapture/Dispensationalism heresies
Jmac is a Calvinist which is heresy with a bloody history. Now his megachurch has pedophilia and abuse scandals that nobody wants to talk about.
It sounds like you need to rethink your definition of heresy lol
@@jacobdkelley Calvinism is heresy and is not the Gospel. You can research the history of amillenialism behind it as Rome, Calvin, and Luther harboured Jew-hating ideology. Calvin never renounced his infant baptism for regeneration, which is Romanist doctrine. Luther believed Mary was the theotokos and died a virgin, also romanist doctrine. It is replacement theology that the Church has replaced Jews and Israel, which is plainly not true when you live in reality and look at Israel today. Calvinism stems from allegorising Scripture, an easily subjective method. Calvin and Luther both advocated persecution, which is commanded to them nowhere by the LORD Jesus Christ.
@@jacobdkelley it sounds like you need to also talk openly about the pedophilia and abuse tolerated at MacArthur's megachurch and how he apparently has his empire run by only his family and close yes-men.
@@jacobdkelley LUTHER'S JEWS by Kaufmann is a good book about the disgusting Jew-hatred of Luther against the very Scriptures he translated. His teachings later inspired Nazi Germany.
MARTIN LUTHER'S ANTISEMITISM is a concise book written by Gritsch is a look at how Luther embraced the same, typical beliefs of the society he lived in. The Bible commands you to be separate from the world, not think and react like the world. The author is an educated Lutheran himself who at least is being honest.
ISRAEL BETRAYED is a two-volume series of the history of replacement theology that is ALWAYS closely associated with Jew-hatred, embraced by Rome and Calvin and the Anglican Church, etc. The true faithful Christians had utmost respect for Jews and prayed for them to return to their homeland as promised. Today, church Jew-hatred continues either overtly by those getting active in BDS, or passively by those who never talk about the importance of Israel, her future, and to share the Gospel that is to the Jew first.
Calvinists today don't talk much about Israel and Jews, and at least in USA, they are narcissistic in their teachings as the rest of the American church world.
Just realized with this video that that is no glory or edification in your channel. I'm out!
lighten up - its just a RUclips channel with people speaking about stuff.
@@paulc7190 😂 that pretty much describes the bulk of YT. Doesn't mean this stuff is true or edifying or biblically sound.
Did you not hear him rejoicing in how beautiful it is to read verses about Jesus speaking to the Father? I don't usually listen to stuff outside of what theology I'm used to but I found this to be very encouraging.
@@AmericaineAParis oh man - suffocating here
@@paulc7190 I'm not interested in hearing the wrong stuff or someone's opinion of what they believe. I have the scripture for that. But if you enjoy have at it.