Beethoven: Piano Concerto No.3 in Cm, Op.37 (Argerich)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Argerich never produces recordings that are anything less than excellent, but even by her atmospheric standards this recording is unbelievably good. The playing is mercurial and fiery - but there’s also a real sense of integrity to it, and in the middle movement the pianism reaches a trancelike level of concentration. It’s a very Argerich thing, actually, to play in a manner that sounds completely spontaneous while also having every musical decision also make total sense - consider how carefully she varies her trills, for instance: 5:41 (quiet, even), 8:30 (percussive), 14:27 (from forceful to wafer-thin pianissimo), and 26:59 (mechanical, rigid, even a bit frightening).
In the first movement, you’ve got the granite-hewn hardness of the piano’s entry put in violent contrast against the expressiveness of the rising chords at 3:28. And immediately after, the melodic lines at 3:37 and 4:17 are presented improvisationally, with dozens of dynamic dips/rises and microscopic changes in tempo. Even a simple thing like the falling arpeggio at 4:07 is given a steely brilliance that lifts it a notch above what you usually hear.
The second movement is taken at a really slow tempo, but this works wonders - the ending of the movement seems to stretch to musical infinity, and 20:09 becomes into a moving meditation between piano and winds. And I’ve not heard a better handling of the LH tremolo at 17:17, which here dissolves into a translucent haze of sound.
The last movement is taut and combative, filled with jabbing accent, and some surprisingly coy moments (e.g., 28:14, where Argerich plays the alternating high and low phrases very differently: the first rhythmically tight and detached, the second drowsily legato and noticeably slower, with a hair’s-breadth pause between the two). My favourite modulation in all the Beethoven concertos is also handled brilliantly here: the piano cuts off the orchestra mid-sentence at 31:17 by coming in very loud, and with these arrogant agogic accents. And needless to say, the coda is taken at a blistering, reckless speed: 34:24.
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The cadenza of the 1st mov is one of the best cadenzas ever 😭
I love the moment at 27:18 - beethoven straight up saying ABSOLUTELY NOT to the major
00:00 - I. Allegro con brio
16:10 - II. Largo
26:29 - III. Rondo, allegro
In your, as usual, amazing analysis, second paragraph, last sentence "simply" ; )
I am so grateful to you, listen/view/read all the time! Kudos
@@MichaelBrewick Thanks! Corrected.
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It is interesting to note that this is one of the first compositions (if not the first) that breaks the upper range of F6 on the piano. Previously there had been many cases where Beethoven had to make some concessions.
In the first concerto Op.15, one would have to apply a 'cheat' in the exposition to get to the F#6. It was F6 as written, but the parallel passage clearly intended it to be a major third. Beethoven later wrote a cadenza that took advantage of extended keys not available when he first wrote the Op. 15 Concerto.
It's an interesting debate between those who would play Beethoven exactly as written versus those who stand by the 'uncurtailed form' (what Beethoven would have written, had he not been constrained by the tessitura). There isn't much debate from the Third Piano Concerto onwards though, the Concerto as written was already playable with the upgraded piano at that time.
The importance of Beethoven's music in helping to develop the modern piano we see today cannot be understated.
Haydn "English" Sonata in C - 1794, was probably the first. Goes up to A. In the sonatas of H and M one sees some ingenious steering round the limited range (HV37), and also some clear crashes (K332) which can now be updated.
You mean "can't be overstated" I think
This one reminds me a lot of Mozart no 24 concerto!
@@staalman1226What's your point? Can't is a contraction of cannot.
@@russelldeitch5765 He said "understated", not "overstated".
this performance by Argerich is riveting, she displays Beethoven with a passion, this is how beethoven is meant to be played
The cadenza starting at 12:07 is one of my favourites of any concerto ever (probably my favourite along with Prokofiev 2 and Rach 3). 13:57 onwards is so powerful.
Interesting! I think it's the weakest part of this concerto. Though, as the concerto is a most fine composition, I'm not saying it wouldn't be good, still.
@@WennAde 🤣🤣Lol this piano solo is musically one of the best parts ever written
@@stefanmueller6726 Each one of us may have an opinion. That's fine. No need to laugh to anyone. I personally found it interesting that what I as a trained musician and pianist regard as least valuable in this concerto, is so highly appreciated by someone else. Beethoven is one of my many favourite composers.
What about the cadenza of the 4th concerto? I like it even more, especially the arpeggios and then to the end of the 1st movement it's just pure magic.
@@makaan699 Yes, it is phenomenal. Beethoven's 4th concerto is in my opinion possibly the best concerto of all the concerto literature, being of course a highly individual work and not the stereotype of a grand concerto (which Beethoven may, in a way, fulfil most perfectly in his 5th concerto).
For a minor piece, I find it surprisingly light and pleasant. It's such a stunning work of music!
15:29 ‘till the end of the first mvt is just perfect
Totally agree
Whole concerto till it's end is just perfect
Hahhaha exactly 15:29 :)
We thought the same thing
You are the most essential resource for a classical pianist.
The similarities with the 24th Mozart Concerto are striking especially the 1st and 3rd movements!
3rd mov. of this concerto its very similar with the four mov. of the string quintet No.2 in C minor kv.406 by Mozart.
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Sturm und Drang
The 3rd movement, The Rondo -
"It really feels like hearing another version of the Rondo, also 3rd mov. from Pathétique. Remarkble how simmilar and different at the same they can be."
I love this piano concerto so much!! I'm learning it right now...but that cadenza is scaring me a lot 😳
wait till the third movement… some annoying parts there 🤦♂️
The 1st movement starts revolution in my heart.
Nobody can even be close to Argerich's level. Simply magnificent !!
Have you heard Leon Fleischer’s recording? I believe it’s the best one and although this one is also amazing Fleischer is even better IMO. Check it out if you want to hear great pianism
Today I literally had a dream where my teacher told me I was going to learn this. Dreams are dreams...
So what are you waiting for? It is hard to play and you have to start practise now, because it takes time. Do you have sheets? If you don't, first step is to get them. And remember, that you don't have to be Argerich to learn this piece.
@@piikkikruunu i only have ABRSM piano grade 8 which is obviously shit for a 13-year old when everyone else has LTCL... do you think I can try this badass out
@@mkgaming8963 LTCL is very hard. And you are 13? C'mon, you have all the time in the world. If you can play ABRSM grade 8 at the age !13! you can play Beethoven when you are 23. Maybe earlier, you know it better. But it seems to me, you have enough talent in music. Do you have plans to play LTCL too? Try to pick one or two pieces. Schubert Impromptu op 142 no 1 for example.
@@piikkikruunu tysm!! Im planning to try out atcl next year~ cheers
What a coincidence that I had asked my piano teacher what other pieces I could learn other than the 2 or 3 choices I already had. My piano teacher said this Beethoven concerto or a Liszt piece.
Took this for my music O levels. I will never forget this masterpiece.
Beethoven ou la conquête de la liberté. Ça fait du bien, là. Je ne l'avais pas écouté depuis longtemps. Pour moi un des plus beaux concertos qui soit. Interprétation magnifique.
Just what I was waiting for! Thank you again for uploading another fabulous recording!
I was waiting for a recording from Martha. I asked what your feelings about Argerich were in a previous (deleted) comment, but of course you have an amazing analysis in your description as always, hehe..
People have mentioned really nice and more importantly famous parts of this fantastic performance in the comments but the fact that no one has mentioned this beautiful and heavanly opening part of the second movement 17:30 really disappoints me
Ashish xiangyi kumar, you need to know how much I love you. There are so many quality pieces from amazing players. I discovered your channel and had another classical music renaissance. I don’t play. I only knew beethoven, mozart, and bach. Now I know so many more and can say my favorites are ravel, debussy, and chopin. Thank you, from the deepest parts of my heart. Have my babies.
“HAVE YOUR BABIES” EWWW GROSS! 😷
@@leo32190 I can't hear you.
It was so wholesome until the last part
That opening orchestral ritornello is Beethoven at his best.
This concerto is everything 😍
Op. 2 no. 1 and 2, Op. 10 no. 2, Op. 13 (Pathetique), Op. 14 no. 2, Op. 27 no. 2 (Moonlight)... I hear them all in this concerto, like Beethoven did kind of summary of his piano works in one concerto!
Wow and that was live ..... Incredible
18:39 I'd marry with this melody if I could
29:55 for me
First movement’s cadenza is so fucking good
May I suggest, please, that you name the conductor and orchestra when you post these excellent score-videos? This would be greatly appreciated, since many performers have recorded these works multiple times, and the information under "Listen ad-free with RUclips Premium" is very often of different recordings being promoted by RUclips and its advertising customers. Thanks!
And she dares to say she doesn’t play this concerto very well...
emperor
I know right!!!!
I know! Lol I actually saw her playing this in Buenos Aires many years ago
@@pablomarqueez The 'Emperor Concerto' is Beethoven's 5th Piano Concerto.
I suppose also that she does not find her playing of Beethoven's piano sonatas good enough, and it is why she will never record them. A pity!
This is a beautiful recording and many thanks. As a pianist myself, I have to say however that there are many parts I would have played very differently. My version would have been riddled with mistakes. Cheers from Sydney, Aust - Dave
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Not demeriting MArgerich it is actually Abbado who propitiates the atmosphere and interpretive quality here ... Marvelous music making!
Top notch!!
13:47 Always reminds me of the recapitulation to the last movement of the patheituqe sonata.
Grandiosa música con una maravillosa pianista
This was my first piano piece I tried to learn, I had been fiddling around for years without making a repetoire, I learned parts of it that's how to practice is find playable parts of virtuoso pieces
beni tanrıya en yaklaştıran şey müziktir.
la musique est ce qui me rapproche le plus de Dieu.
Beethoven
I love reading your comments!
Thank you for the description I love it
the back and forth its like a dance of good and evil but the darkness is so sad .......maybe even love vs ?? great jam all should enjoy.. know how dumb i must sound but ...feel
I know you haven't posted in a while, but I'd love to see what your favorite recording of the Brahms 1st PC is. Or one that you think is amazing. Miss ya man :)
Lol the final "A" theme (before the coda) in the finale appears in Db major
What is your opinion of the Zimerman/Bernstien recording?
Nicolas Roques it means “in my honest opinion”
why do people insist in the 2 or 3 recordings available on youtube? there are dozens of recordings out there.
@@markito3311 Not insisting, just asking for an opinion on something
@@dapperdecidueye247 ashish even makes jokes about ppl asking for zimerman. Sry, no bm
@@markito3311 That's because Zimerman is a fookin legend.
Grazie per lo spartito!!!❤️
6:56 sounds like first mvt of k.466
Amazing as always! Could you possibly do a video on the Goldberg Variations? Great videos again much appreciation!!
One must take into account that MA and CA know each other musically very well!....in the 60's they recorded an epoch making Ravel and Prokofiev.
Hello Ashish, I have spent hours upon hours watching your videos and reading the analyses and gave me an exquisite introspection into the world of Beethoven's piano works. I would like to render some financial donation to you. Is there a way?
And here she is, and my looking for a reference recording of the 3rd comes to an ending (had already listen to this recording many many times, but went looking for other options). Have yet to hear Minnar.
How does she play the first movement cadenza so fast
THANKS
I remember playing this when I was 13, ahh, brings back memories
Richard willner is the best there’s ever bean
What an exquisite performance. A bucket list item: see Martha Argerich, live, in concert. Not that that is so key, since you and others make her astounding work available at our fingertips. Thank you!
26:29 I really wonder why Beethoven doesn't use Alla Breve here. The tempo and feeling of the piece really matches Alla Breve, doesn't it?
It might be something to do with the pulse of the movement
@@Trooman20 But if he uses Alla Breve with quarter notes it would be the same pulse. The main theme is similar to the 3rd movement of Sonata Pathetique, where he also uses Alla breve
@@tarikeld11 true
13:44
Rondo motiff is copied by Ferdinand Hiller in his early sonata a-moll ( rondo )
Balin oglossus is the definitive player
Ottima esecuzione
That last movement rattles along something wicked.
Who conducts, and which orchestra?
I think it's Claudio abbado, mahler chamber orchestra
35:11 BRAVOOO *clapclapclapclapclap*
26:47 26:47 26:47 26:48 26:48
Why didnt Beethoven make more 15:29 moments in this concerto :(
Because they're quite unimaginative
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@@GUILLOM unimaginative spelling
@@JakeWelsh-g3i what
Who is the orchestra/conductor?
Forse il tutto ( fatta salva la ottima qualità del suono) un po’ sbrigativo. La mia è una sensazione personale, avendo ascoltato questo concerto un numero di volte enorme. Forse è in assoluto è il mio preferito perché mi procura una sensazione di intima esaltazione
22:08 22:08 22:08 22:08 22:09 22:09
3:16
올려주셔서 감삼당
Possibly Beethoven's greatest work. (a controversial comment i know haha)
I agree. it's in line of Violin concerto or Choral.
No GuYs ItS fUr EliSe
This is very good but not his best work, that's probably string quartet n° 14, Beethoven himself said that.
@@rafaelrodrigues5158 the string quartets are beautiful. Thanks for the comment
Plis, the sheet music
You can find in imslp
17:06 17:07 17:07 17:07 17:07
Happy Birthday Haruki Murakami- brought me here
35:07 35:09
MA is here on a par or better than the greatest B interpreters.
wait. You don't consider Argerich famous enough?
Who's Argerich?
from 15:16
12:27 𝄫(?)
I have a question
I need help is there any one who is expert in music?
Nel complesso è una interpretazione che non mi fa scattare la scintilla
9:00
MM = 141 BPM
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lie, this perform is for denis matsuev and temirkanov
just go watch the video of argerich live at colon playing this, and you'll see this is not matsuev
@@azurbtkl3901 ok
23.13
WHAT THE F*** IS THIS?!?!?!?!
Always too fast with Martha.....
Il secondo tempo lento
She lacks the basic notions of the rythm
Too many back and forth chord progressions to hold intetest. We, the audience, keep praying for a remarkable melody to capture us.
If this were not Beethoven, it would have been forgotten.
Speak for yourself please :)
@@azurbtkl3901 Yes! the poster is writing nonsense. The 0p 37 is sublime.
@@azurbtkl3901 I am speaking for myself. That is the purpose of this forum.
@@stevehinnenkamp5625 you aren't dumbo ("we, the audience").
Bruh those trills are so perfectly executed
30:32
17:40
el adagio me hace llorar de beethoven el segundo movimiento
4:17
Narrowing down each concerto to just 2 recordings couldn't have been easy. Were there any near-misses that you considered but eventually chose to go without? The obligatory honourable mentions category, essentially.
Voyager Ooh that’s a great question I’d like to know that too
Amazing question! As far as I can recall (and I'm a bit fuzzy now on the individual PCs, but I think this is about right) --
All-round great sets (so every recording in these could be considered a runner-up, so to speak):
1. Brendel (the set with Rattle)
2. Minnaar
3. Helmchen (he’s not released the 3rd, but I’m pretty sure it’ll be excellent - he is nothing if not consistent)
4. Barnatan with ASMF - want to give a special shoutout to this one, as Barnatan does not seem that well-known. It really kind of creeps up on you how very good these recordings are. They’ll seem rather understated at first, but brim with a lot of really intelligent, sensitive, take-nothing-for-granted musicianship. I’m probably going to feature his Triple Concerto or Choral Fantasy (or both, who knows!).
If you have a bit of cash, you can get the CDs here: bit.ly/2zKQGMz
Some sets I was kind of disappointed by (highlighting these because there were at least some very laudatory reviews):
1. Perahia - Really pretty, but I don’t think I wanted pretty in these concertos.
2. Andsnes - Was really looking forward to this, but it was a real letdown. The playing was stiff and reserved to a fault (though the cadenzas were great).
3. Lisiecki - Playing was surprisingly fiery and dry, but the interaction with the orchestra was not good and the miking was bad, bad, bad - far too much weight on the piano, which ended up sounding relentlessly clattery.
For individual PCs:
No.1 - Emanuel Ax had a really melting performance. Schwizgebel was excellent too.
No.2 - Argerich, plus the *very* perverse Mustonen (check out his complete set if you want a heavy dose of psychedelic weirdness)
No.3 - Quite liked Kissin, Goode, Lewis.
No.4 - Fellner and Pires were excellent, Uchida also very good.
No.5 - Fellner again, also Kissin.
@@AshishXiangyiKumar Thanks! This response was far more thorough than I could have hoped for. I'll be sure to make my way through them all. :D
On the note of Helmchen, however, his PC1 is the first time I heard someone combine the 2nd and 3rd cadenzas in the first movement. I do this to bypass the technical challenge that is the 3rd cadenza while still wanting to hit that FAT C chord at the end, but it really does sound quite good to combine the light brevity of the 2nd cadenza with the fireworks of the 3rd after the trill. I'm wondering if anyone else does this?
Ashish Xiangyi Kumar ohh wow i'm surprised you didn't like Andsnes he is one of my favourites! But what is your thoughts on Zimermans recordings with Bernstein?
@@AshishXiangyiKumar Apparently Pletnev and Mustonen are off the radar for you?
Has someone else noticed how the beginning of the 2nd mvt is so similar to the Adagio con espressione in Sonata No. 13?
Thank you for posting a performance by the living Goddess.
I think that she looks even more like a Goddess now. I saw her with Mischa this year and I was in tears when she appeared
Nicolas Roques excuse me? People age. It happens. She still looks great.
@@nicolasroques1887 And since when is youth associated with godhood? Immortality is more like it, and Argerich has already achieved that with her playing
Omg Martha Argerich is in my opinion one of the best pianists! Her expressions are so colourful she surprises me every time 🥰
I don't know what makes me like this piano concerto. Maybe it's because it has much in common with Beethoven's famous 5th Symphony. The way the third movement ends is really amazing!
I hope His Royal Highness Prince Louis Ferdinand of Prussia was grateful!
Mr Kumar, thank you so much for the 10 jewels (twice each Beethoven' s concert) you have offered us. Hope you are fine in Singapure
28:01
That chromatics along the melody are really good