I bet your Dad didn't have to pay £1,500 or £2,000 for his paintjob though! You could have bought an entire fleet of Mini vans for £2,000 back in the early 70s!
@helipeek2736 On a commercial fair enough but also in the late 40s 50s t Grey was a popular choice VW used a similar shade on the base model Beetles. Looks good on 1950s Daimlers Alvis cars. I just think in this world of colour, grey is an unusual choice. Crazy 1800plus cost......for grey 😀 fair if it was mother of pearl pearlescent, flake metallic with 12 coats of lacquer wet sanded between coats. Once helped my brother lay slabs and the house owner's kitchen was colour coded in that grey right down to cutlery and mugs. yikes. Being an artist grey is a funny colour.
I find Harry the most unlikely farmer , to be honest, most farmers are out there 24/7 7 days a week, Harry is out and about on trips, playing with cars and bikes, who is doing the real farming… I don’t blame him, but he is somewhat of a legacy farmer in my opinion. But I still love him. 😅 and good luck to him, I can only assume the Evo publication sale made him some good money and why not, his timing was excellent. 😅 Maybe tax reasons that ‘s highly probable..❤
I miss the days when cars were painted actual colours, rather than today's choice of white, light grey, medium grey, dark grey, or black. It's so depressing.
I'll be honest - this mix of 5 tonne, £150k + SUVs and £5 million supercars that no one can buy or will drive is making me move away from this channel! I would love to see more from your more historic fleet, or something that is actually affordable to most people! I know that you say that £150k is pretty cheap in this video, but (and I hate to be the one to break this to you...), for most people that is pretty expensive...
Why does the content have to be "affordable to most people"? Are you only interested in things you may actually own or do? Should they stop broadcasting women's beach volleyball for those reasons?
@@DiscoFang do you understand the bit where I said "I would love to see more..." You will note that sentence is different from "You must never have videos about..." This is my personal opinion, not saying that everything else should never be shown! As I'm sure you have your personal preferences too. For instance, I liked Harry's recent video where he drove his Mclaren down to Antibes to go on a massive superyacht. Could I afford a Mclaren - no. Could I afford a superyacht - no. But I liked it anyway. Its just I have zero interest in the type of cars that cost millions and millions and are produced in numbers that mean that anyone watching the video can't buy them!
I'm afraid the modern car industry is leaving me cold. All cars are painted so it shouldnt cost more for a particular shade of grey. Its too heavy , too fast and way too expensive for most people to ever consider.
This is a bloody great point, somehow the guys at Porsche must have missed the fact that "most people" won't consider a £100,000+ sports SUV. Seeing as Porsche have always been a company making practical daily drivers for the working man. Oh wait, they are a luxury sports car brand who sold 95 thousand Cayennes last year alone.
@@DrBoobY2K The Boxster really was supposed to be the everyman's Porsche (it was supposed to start in lowish $30K range) and then the company wisely realized that making an amazing, mid-engined lower priced car out of the same parts bin they used in the bread-and -butter GT/sports car that kept the doors open wouldn't be a sage move. The SUVs made all that stuff moot though. Now they just overcharge for everything.
The modern car industry has really lost its way. Touchscreens replacing simple physical controls making driving more dangerous for everyone on the roads, SUVs that aren't sporty or utilitarian, cars that are ridiculously huge and heavy, utterly irrelevant top speeds, power you can never hope to fully exploit.
Touchscreens are as you say dangerous. However they are cheap compared to physical buttons. You can bung one in with a processor and program it to do loads of things with only one connection. Making a dash with loads of buttons? Expensive. As for the top speed? It's a German car designed for Germany thus the top speed can be used and as the UK said we will follow the Europeans we get the same car.
I will never understand the 'coupe' version of what should be a SUV. What's the point considering how much cargo space you're sacrificing. Why not just buy a Panamera? I don't even think it looks better than the more conventional Cayenne.
People really are buying with looks. A Uncle is after a "newish" car. It's going to be electric and has no set his Eyes on a Enyaq coupe. Tried to ask him why and apparently it looks good compared to the normal Enyaq and not as big. That it's the same wheel base and length as a normal doesn't seam to matter. I looks smaller. Also doesn't seam to care when you tell him how horrible VWs interiors are to use or how bad it is on fast charging in colder temps, can over look it because it looks good,
2.5. tonnes! They're having a laugh, like all car makers are since they got weight removed from EU efficiency specs. 4 years ago my mate's wife was rear ended by one of these as she sat at traffic lights. The Cayenne driver was fiddling with his touchscreen. Her car survived the impact quite well (police say the impact speed was about 45mph), However, the impact broke her back. Luckily, she made a full recovery, but the surgeon who treated her did say if the car was a tonne lighter, her spine would've survived. And charging 9 quid for a a first aid kit that is legally mandatory over here in Germany, are they having a laugh? I've driven a Cayenne - I hate them and all performance SUV's What are they for? I look at all the cars in your collection, and it's obvious what their role in life is - the Lambo is the adrenaline machine, the Jag the ultimate luxury GT, the Elan is the greatest small sports car of all time etc. But this? Still, not as ridiculous as the new electric Lotus. All I could hear in that review was the sound of Colin Chapman spinning in his grave.
@@sidesauce For sure he had a shady side, and although the chassis engineering he did was top notch - one of his designs, the 7, is still being produced (albeit refined) - things like the original Elan's plywood firewall & even the construction of Jim Clark's Lotus showed he had a cavalier attitude to some of the more ethical principles of building a car (to put it politely). Let's say he's the guy you would've seen if you wanted your car to corner 25% faster, but you wouldn't have given him 10 grand to look after! My point is more to the fact that Lotus's renaissance since the 90's was built on Chapman's original principles - get a production engine, breath on it a bit and install it into a light structure designed around handling & cornering performance & so make the most of the power you have. Difference being the Elise was engineered to be safe. A friend of mine slammed his Series 1 into a stone wall on the Isle of Man at about 90mph about 20 years ago. He flew from one side of the road to the other, losing 2 wheels & the engine in the process. When the car came to a rest, both doors still opened and he got away with a broken finger. Old fella stopped to help, was a retired cop. Looked at the badge on the front on the bonnet, looked at my mate and said, 'You wouldn't have got away with that in one built 30 years ago.' My mate is on Elise number 4 now. Never fails to put a smile on the face of anyone riding in them, irrespective of what seat they are in. And, unlike Chapman era models, pretty damn reliable.
I own and daily drive a 2011 Cayenne "big boy" 550hp turbo petrol version, and my question with all these race-style SUVs, from someone who owns one... is when do you think you're going to use all that power? The truth is my one feels the same to drive as the diesel version in all aspects, it's not like you're taking it on track, very rarely do people take their Cayenne's off road (I actually do and it does very well indeed but that's nothing to do with the power), I just hear 750hp 190mph and think... why! You're spot on about the weight too, not as impactful as people think but goodness, 2.5 ton. You'll never use all that power on the school run or to the shops, maybe if you do lots of cruising around but then why pick this car for that price to do that in... I'm often mystified why this car sells as incredibly well as it does... and I own one! Somewhat nice interior changes and hybrid, yes, but still. £170k! Blimey. And £1800 for grey metallic paint, come on now...
Hey, I have the same car. The reason I got it was mostly for the sound that it makes. Granted I had to straight pipe it. The other reason was the package - I wouldn't have gotten pddc, ptv, etc with the diesel 6cyl, sadly
Sorry, what does 2.5 tonnes have to do with doing the school run or shopping? Pretty sure you’ll often find a cayenne doing the school run..well if you live in a nice area with good schools anyway 🤔
@@TraderBoy24 Sorry my comment read a little weird, I meant the power, yes the weight has nothing to do with the day to day nature of the car! I've edited
Respectfully you just picked the wrong car for your situation. I agree this is overkill but a torquey turbocharged 350-400hp is useful in a family SUV going over local mountain ranges. Midsize wagons aren't much lighter or cheaper but they are less comfortable and practical
A rhetorical question that doesn't really need asking - of course it's too heavy. Also, I *don't care* how many assurances I hear from manufacturers, revving/stressing a piston engine from stone-cold is never NOT going to prematurely wear it out (particularly in cold climates).
Engineers wouldn't allow it, they are over ruled by the non engineers. Over head cam engines have, and always will, have a weakness for oil supply to the camshaft. Oil galleries, etc, help to mitigate that, but for a high performance engine, and longevity, you need warm oil to flow.
@@Jack-qn4vt Or you know, engineers know better than random internet commenters. But they don't care about experts in their craft who spend literally years designing these systems - they just say "I don't care how many assurances I hear " and they can have an opinion on the internet like anyone else.
@@gambiting Or, you know, big businesses don't care about longevity of cars because that doesn't affect their profits. Why would they care what happens tens of thousands of miles down the line? They've moved on to the next model by then. See BMW M cars and their endless flaws.
@@julianevans9548yeah but bmw and porsche are night and day in reliability, especially this v8 in the porsche which is proven by a lot of suv and sedans in the volskwagen lineup. I've seen a turbo s that run in the drag strip 12 times in just 15 minutes and seen a bmw m4 that got heatsoaked after 5 runs in 10 minutes
People who can afford these cars don't always want attention ...they want to be able to tear up the road without attracting too much attention from the police and the tax man
A lot of comments expressing dislike for SUVs. I have found the Cayenne Turbo S e-hybrid perfect for the long family trips across the continent and in the Alps. I could not imagine doing it in anything else. I suppose it makes most sense when you have multiple cars to cover different situations, or even the sporty SUV to do it all, while having ground clearance.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. There is FAR more space - for passengers and for all their luggage - in my brother's Toyota 5-door estate car. Ground clearence has never been an issue either. Perfectly ok for gravel lanes in the Austrian Alps or rutted, private driveways. Obviously it's no good for serious off-roading but neither is a Ferrari.
@@PaulFellows3430 Coincidentally, I read your comment as it thunderstormed and the roads became flooded. Having air suspension and setting the height to maximum ensured there was no problem. I do wonder about having an estate, but there are not many, if any, I would want. But I would have a Toyota Land Cruiser.
@@PaulFellows3430I shouldn’t have to point out that the Corolla is relatively smsll car. If you think that is a valid comparison to the Cayenne for size and ability there’s not much more to say.
Thanks Harry. Great review. I have this car in this colour and you have pretty much nailed it on every point. Outstanding piece of kit. Reading through the comments, it must be a little disheartening as 90% of them are so judgemental, rude and ignorant. I would remind them, if you haven’t got anything nice to say, keep quite. You pay your money, you make your choice.
A great HG episode. For me, the Porsche is much more discreet than the other two. Which can be a great advantage. You can't legally use the performance of them on the street anyway.
I can't tell you how utterly bored I am of SUVs, warp speed performance or not. A lovely video as always though, but my word, as vehicles, this market segment bores me to tears. More on EVs and hybrids though. There are some very interesting power trains under development.
Not really though. In 15 to 20 years time EV's maybe will be at a point where they haven't got the disadvantages they have now. I will keep driving ICE (maybe hybrid) until I have no other option and can't drive an ICE car anywhere anymore, but that is more than 25 years away.
@@Stijn5I run both EV and ICE, I enjoy them both for very different reasons. EV hasn't impacted my life and way of travelling as the naysayers seem to think. In its current format, it definitely isn't the future and definitely isn't perfect but I enjoy it. Not as much as my ICE though. 😊
@@Stijn5 has made no difference to me. I stop every hundred miles or so when doing distance anyway. I just stop and top up for 5 or 10 minutes. Just a minor shift in mindset.
Harry really ought not to film his video intros inside the garage; all the time he's guiding us around the newest bloated auto-blob, I'm looking at the cars in the background and thinking, "Hmm... I like that Elan. And that's a mighty handsome Jaaaaaaag..."
I just wish Harry would concentrate his video-making expertise on his own collection - each item of which is REALLY interesting - rather than on these bloated, vastly over-priced and, quite honestly, pretty boring, modern Euro-blobs that very few of us will ever WANT to own, never mind whether or not we could afford them.
Just can’t get excited about SUVs. They obvs sell very well so I’m in the minority, but I wonder if the fashion will end in the long term. Give me a RS6 over these three any day of the week. 😂
I've been calling for the end of the SUV fad for over two decades and it hasn't happened yet. And given the aging populations in many of the places that can afford pricey vehicles the high seating position has become almost obligatory in the definition of "luxury". Consumer Reports was dinging the Toyota Avalon for a "low seating position" for years prior to its demise.
How much extra is the Hybrid plus insurance is usually much higher over ice cars. Add that together and you can buy an awful lot of fuel to run an ice. £1800 extra for primer, let’s face it they are taking the pee now. Harry has got so used to driving £200k cars he thinks this is a bargain. My F-Pace SVR is definitely a bargain in comparison.
I'm not sure fixing nose heaviness by just adding weight to the rear to make it 50/50 represents great progress. I'd like to see a company with the engineering and racing heritage of Porsche focus on making something like this but at a far lower weight and with increased focus on efficiency. Otherwise this arms race of increased power, batteries and weight is going to get ridiculous , you'll need a tachograph to drive an SUV in a few years time!
Talked me into it :) Have had a Cayenne GTS for 2 years since new and it is amazing, the V8 sound is wonderful, it switches from driving like a normal car to a sports car when you floor it and it's a rocket ship. People in the passenger seat just laugh or scream, even took a mate out who suffers from depression, and he smiled the entire time, said it was the happiest he had been in a year. The fuel economy is so bad its funny and your £120 credit card limit at the petrol pump doesn't fill it. So, if this car is sportier, better to drive and with better fuel economy and the V8 sound why not! I live in the country, have teenagers and dogs so it makes sense over a 911 which would sit in the garage the majority of the time.
@@julianevans9548 -exactly. Cars like this are bought by footballers, where £200k is a couple of weeks wages, or through a business with tax benefits and a monthly payment. My iX is a £100k car, but I pay just £750 per month, which includes everything except the electricity ‘fuel’. (Includes insurance, maintenance and tyres)
Beautiful looking car in that colour. Love the twin exhausts. Think hybrid is the future. I'd definitely get a hybrid over a fully electric car. V8 sounds tasty too. Cheers again.
This powertrain really suits sporty SUV like Porsche Cayenne and others EV mode for daily use like school runs, and V8 for weekend getaways. Still not a fan of performance SUV , SUV nd performance don't get together, but Porsche done nice job 😊. Great video Harry keep up with great work 😊❤
To get that electric mileage which you need you have to continuously charge it to 100%, I thought the recommendation was to charge the battery was 80% to preserve it. I had a BMW phev and that battery soon started to loose range.
Harry’s reviews get better and better unlike the cayenne just gets uglier if that were possible. Why don’t Porsche stick to building sports cars instead of pig ugly SUVs 🤔
@@tonyedgecombe6631 It depends actually. My mom for example wanted a car with a high seating position... and she fell a bit for the "trend factor" of SUVs. I believe most people buy SUVs because it is a trend vehicle, they believe SUVs are safer and more pracitcal than other car types. So in essence people buy SUVs for the wrong reasons. When it comes to towing capacity, SUVs can often pull more than estates etc. And ofc the usual simple thinking: "It is bigger, therefore it must be better!".
@@tonyedgecombe6631 Something like this or the Urus? Husband wants a 911/Huracan, wife wants an SUV, husband has so little testosterone he has to compromise.
I am only 3 minutes in - the contrast between this car, and almost everything in your garage is astounding. A lump of grey next to the Jag. No doubt I am about to learn about its amazing mechanics, but they won't compensate a complete lack of style.
I like that Porsche has done away with analog gauges. I swear I will buy a Patek Philippe Grandmaster Chime Ref. 6300A-010, as soon as it comes out with a Casio digital read-out too. I prefer it's accuracy.
As the owner of a Cayenne S e-hybrid I would like to point out that you can get 740 hp out of any ea824 4.0T V8 (including the S and GTS) with just a tune and have a much faster (because much lighter) car.
Great video as ever and a fair review. Unfortunately nobody wants these cars any more. Hopefully the French or Italians will save us with something light, nimble and beautiful. Till then...
What do you think about the long term reliability of these complex plug in hybrids? I run a leasing company and I wouldn’t want any plug in hybrid after the warranty expires. We have so many problems with plug in hybrids. They are complicated and risky once they get to 3 years old
The great thing about Porsche is they have so mnay different models and sub models that you could do one review a week and that's your year sorted, same goes for BMW.
I should point out that I really like this thing. My big gripe is that we are being limited for choice for no good reason. If you want the hybrid great but if you want a non-hybrid you should be able to get one aswell. Depending on your use either may be the better choice but that should be down to the custmer/market to decide.
Let's also point out that Harry says the ride quality is exceptional, yet the tire pressures are set to 3.1 bar (45 psi). As you know, most vehicles recommend 33-35 psi (2.28 or 2.41 bar) because any higher will cause the ride quality to suffer. This car running pressures that high and retaining exceptional ride quality means that the suspension must be truly amazing.
Interesting topic.Paradoxically, It could be that higher tyre pressures transfer more motion to the suspension allowing it to work better. My 440i coupe seems to ride better with 2.6 bar all round rather than 2.4.
Excellent review as always! When you are reviewing hybrids I think it would be great if you explained how the battery is placed in the car (which you do here) and how (if) the battery placement affects the luggage compartment compared to non hybrid models (if there are any). I think Volvo is doing a great job with their hybrid packaging whilst BMW and Mercedes have been more lazy, slaying the luggage compartments and making many of their models unusable for me.
I’ve loved everything automotive since I was very little but this sort of thing is doing something I never thought would happen. It’s boring me. These vapid, gigantic, resource wasting, ugly vehicles are just too much. They seem to me to be utterly pointless. I know it’s subjective, but I can’t see it any other way. The Vast majority of them will never be driven by car enthusiasts but rather by “those types” who think that their self-worth is measured by how much noise and paper performance their taste-free vehicle has.
Couldn't agree more. Love Harry's content whatever the car, however there's nearly zero connection between this absurdity and all the things that first excited me about cars as a youngster, and still do today. I would genuinely far rather drive something like a Golf R estate (pre-stupid ipad dashboard) and have 150k change - or indeed no change - than this great lump of excess. I'd be embarrassed, and bored (because who the hell can safely use that kind of power anywhere in their day to day lives?!). A nonsense, and a gross waste of resources.
Same. Went from buying the newest and fastest stuff I could, to buying and maintaining something 30 years old and driving a functional older wagon rest of the time. Wish I’d come to the conclusion earlier if anything!
if you want the powertrain from the pre-facelift Cayenne Turbo GT in a current car: buy the facelifted Audi RSQ8 and save some money. it lacks a bit of the "Porsche-ness" of course. not a huge fan of sporty SUVs although they are interesting from a technical point of view. modern suspensions and what they achieve is really fascinating.
I think the most egregious paid option has the be the InnoDrive being a hair over £2,000. The same level of tech provided in that option comes as standard in the Skoda Octavia!
There is a multi storey car park near where I grew up that has been there for as long as I can remember. When any type of car drives over a certain point on the first floor the WHOLE car park shakes. Imagine if all the cars in that car park weighed 2.5 tonnes! Even a decent percentage could well break the design limit for the structure when the heaviest thing that would have been in there when built would be an Austin Maxi. I think car manufacturers need to focus on weight, and weight alone. Everything is better with a lack of weight. Efficiency, acceleration, dynamics, handling, braking, you name it, it's better with a lighter car. 2.5 tonnes is just ridiculous. This is also not mentioning the damage to roads, the ease of driving on our narrow country lanes, the fuel and electricity usage etc.
Can't help thinking of a Hippo when I see this Porsche. Even the colour matches.
But it's not a hungry hippo. The hybrid fuel economy is admirable.
And what have you been driving, deers?
I bought a V6 Cayenne for £500 that needed a bit of work but is now a fantastic car. In 19years time I hope to buy Harrys for the same amount!
Don’t think you will have to wait that long.
Smart buying.
Its worth £500 from the dealer, only an idiot would buy that car at that price..
I should do a RUclips video about it! They are good cars if you are handy with spanners but financially ruinous if you need a dealership/specialist!
@@51madmitch There's that guy who bought a Porsche EV, that lost like 75% in less than a year!
In 1972 we had a 850 Mini van painted in that exact colour! Who knew Dad was ahead of his time!
😆 I own one the same colour
I bet your Dad didn't have to pay £1,500 or £2,000 for his paintjob though! You could have bought an entire fleet of Mini vans for £2,000 back in the early 70s!
@@PaulFellows3430 I think it was around £600 if memory serves. But, he did put the headlining from a Jensen Intercepter to quiet it down a bit.
@@edgarbeat2851 a man of taste.
@helipeek2736 On a commercial fair enough but also in the late 40s 50s t
Grey was a popular choice VW used a similar shade on the base model Beetles. Looks good on 1950s Daimlers Alvis cars.
I just think in this world of colour, grey is an unusual choice. Crazy 1800plus cost......for grey 😀 fair if it was mother of pearl pearlescent, flake metallic with 12 coats of lacquer wet sanded between coats.
Once helped my brother lay slabs and the house owner's kitchen was colour coded in that grey right down to cutlery and mugs. yikes. Being an artist grey is a funny colour.
Sunday compulsory viewing. Can’t wait for the next instalment of Harry’s Farm to land as well.
I find Harry the most unlikely farmer , to be honest, most farmers are out there 24/7 7 days a week, Harry is out and about on trips, playing with cars and bikes, who is doing the real farming… I don’t blame him, but he is somewhat of a legacy farmer in my opinion. But I still love him. 😅 and good luck to him, I can only assume the Evo publication sale made him some good money and why not, his timing was excellent. 😅 Maybe tax reasons that ‘s highly probable..❤
A 2.5 tonne 740hp missile with a lithium ion battery/warhead. Available to you on the same license (funds permitting) as a 1 litre hatchback. Mental.
You have to pay £1861 extra for "Artic Grey ". There's me thinking you would get a discount if you specced it in primer.
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the color aint that bad... saw it on a 992 gt3 the other day. looked amazing !😅
@@5080cd Primer grey is designed to make everything look better than it is, hence why the 992 looked so good.
I miss the days when cars were painted actual colours, rather than today's choice of white, light grey, medium grey, dark grey, or black. It's so depressing.
I'll be honest - this mix of 5 tonne, £150k + SUVs and £5 million supercars that no one can buy or will drive is making me move away from this channel! I would love to see more from your more historic fleet, or something that is actually affordable to most people! I know that you say that £150k is pretty cheap in this video, but (and I hate to be the one to break this to you...), for most people that is pretty expensive...
Harry knows that it is expensive, he's just comparing it to other primo mega performance SUVs. In that context...it could be called pretty cheap.
"No one will buy or drive." Lol. Like it or not these cars sell very well.
Why does the content have to be "affordable to most people"? Are you only interested in things you may actually own or do? Should they stop broadcasting women's beach volleyball for those reasons?
@@DiscoFang do you understand the bit where I said "I would love to see more..." You will note that sentence is different from "You must never have videos about..." This is my personal opinion, not saying that everything else should never be shown! As I'm sure you have your personal preferences too. For instance, I liked Harry's recent video where he drove his Mclaren down to Antibes to go on a massive superyacht. Could I afford a Mclaren - no. Could I afford a superyacht - no. But I liked it anyway. Its just I have zero interest in the type of cars that cost millions and millions and are produced in numbers that mean that anyone watching the video can't buy them!
Prices have gone mad. The world has gone mad. Depreciation will be mad. Mad.
Yup, mad world. Cue ‘Tears for Fears’…
Mad
Mad for it
Happy to snap it up as a bargain in 3 years time as my 3rd Cayenne.
Prices are based on how much someone wants to pay to rent it until they hand it back in say 3 years. Very few people actually buy cars now.
I’m running a 2012 Cayenne Diesel as a second car and loving it. They are great packages.
"Practicality is still there" proceeds to open a tiny boot.
I know right. That’s smaller than a Q3 boot I reckon.
@@timsaxon5825 It looks way smaller than my A3.
But the seats do flip down. We do not expect to go to a Big Box Store in one of these.
@@jamesellsworth9673 No but you expect it to be vastly more practical than a 911, or to at the minimum get a dog in there in comfort.
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I'm afraid the modern car industry is leaving me cold. All cars are painted so it shouldnt cost more for a particular shade of grey. Its too heavy , too fast and way too expensive for most people to ever consider.
This is a bloody great point, somehow the guys at Porsche must have missed the fact that "most people" won't consider a £100,000+ sports SUV. Seeing as Porsche have always been a company making practical daily drivers for the working man. Oh wait, they are a luxury sports car brand who sold 95 thousand Cayennes last year alone.
@@DrBoobY2K The Boxster really was supposed to be the everyman's Porsche (it was supposed to start in lowish $30K range) and then the company wisely realized that making an amazing, mid-engined lower priced car out of the same parts bin they used in the bread-and -butter GT/sports car that kept the doors open wouldn't be a sage move. The SUVs made all that stuff moot though. Now they just overcharge for everything.
Porsche nailed the Coupe look with this Cayenne, In that colour and spec yes, please.
The modern car industry has really lost its way. Touchscreens replacing simple physical controls making driving more dangerous for everyone on the roads, SUVs that aren't sporty or utilitarian, cars that are ridiculously huge and heavy, utterly irrelevant top speeds, power you can never hope to fully exploit.
Touchscreens are as you say dangerous. However they are cheap compared to physical buttons. You can bung one in with a processor and program it to do loads of things with only one connection. Making a dash with loads of buttons? Expensive.
As for the top speed? It's a German car designed for Germany thus the top speed can be used and as the UK said we will follow the Europeans we get the same car.
I will never understand the 'coupe' version of what should be a SUV. What's the point considering how much cargo space you're sacrificing. Why not just buy a Panamera? I don't even think it looks better than the more conventional Cayenne.
Fashion innit? Crazy.
People really are buying with looks. A Uncle is after a "newish" car. It's going to be electric and has no set his Eyes on a Enyaq coupe. Tried to ask him why and apparently it looks good compared to the normal Enyaq and not as big. That it's the same wheel base and length as a normal doesn't seam to matter. I looks smaller. Also doesn't seam to care when you tell him how horrible VWs interiors are to use or how bad it is on fast charging in colder temps, can over look it because it looks good,
@@IceeeenEv suv coupes do have better range
I agree - you just end up with an ugly, heavy car that is cramped and like a dark little cave in the back.
I have this car and I had a panamera total different this cayenne is a beast
Harry we want an epic road trip video. We are interested in these new car reviews but I’m unable to afford all of them. Your XJC12 is lovely
2.5. tonnes! They're having a laugh, like all car makers are since they got weight removed from EU efficiency specs. 4 years ago my mate's wife was rear ended by one of these as she sat at traffic lights. The Cayenne driver was fiddling with his touchscreen. Her car survived the impact quite well (police say the impact speed was about 45mph), However, the impact broke her back. Luckily, she made a full recovery, but the surgeon who treated her did say if the car was a tonne lighter, her spine would've survived. And charging 9 quid for a a first aid kit that is legally mandatory over here in Germany, are they having a laugh? I've driven a Cayenne - I hate them and all performance SUV's What are they for? I look at all the cars in your collection, and it's obvious what their role in life is - the Lambo is the adrenaline machine, the Jag the ultimate luxury GT, the Elan is the greatest small sports car of all time etc. But this? Still, not as ridiculous as the new electric Lotus. All I could hear in that review was the sound of Colin Chapman spinning in his grave.
Excellent comment!
@@sidesauce For sure he had a shady side, and although the chassis engineering he did was top notch - one of his designs, the 7, is still being produced (albeit refined) - things like the original Elan's plywood firewall & even the construction of Jim Clark's Lotus showed he had a cavalier attitude to some of the more ethical principles of building a car (to put it politely). Let's say he's the guy you would've seen if you wanted your car to corner 25% faster, but you wouldn't have given him 10 grand to look after! My point is more to the fact that Lotus's renaissance since the 90's was built on Chapman's original principles - get a production engine, breath on it a bit and install it into a light structure designed around handling & cornering performance & so make the most of the power you have. Difference being the Elise was engineered to be safe. A friend of mine slammed his Series 1 into a stone wall on the Isle of Man at about 90mph about 20 years ago. He flew from one side of the road to the other, losing 2 wheels & the engine in the process. When the car came to a rest, both doors still opened and he got away with a broken finger. Old fella stopped to help, was a retired cop. Looked at the badge on the front on the bonnet, looked at my mate and said, 'You wouldn't have got away with that in one built 30 years ago.' My mate is on Elise number 4 now. Never fails to put a smile on the face of anyone riding in them, irrespective of what seat they are in. And, unlike Chapman era models, pretty damn reliable.
I own and daily drive a 2011 Cayenne "big boy" 550hp turbo petrol version, and my question with all these race-style SUVs, from someone who owns one... is when do you think you're going to use all that power? The truth is my one feels the same to drive as the diesel version in all aspects, it's not like you're taking it on track, very rarely do people take their Cayenne's off road (I actually do and it does very well indeed but that's nothing to do with the power), I just hear 750hp 190mph and think... why! You're spot on about the weight too, not as impactful as people think but goodness, 2.5 ton. You'll never use all that power on the school run or to the shops, maybe if you do lots of cruising around but then why pick this car for that price to do that in... I'm often mystified why this car sells as incredibly well as it does... and I own one! Somewhat nice interior changes and hybrid, yes, but still. £170k! Blimey. And £1800 for grey metallic paint, come on now...
Hey, I have the same car. The reason I got it was mostly for the sound that it makes. Granted I had to straight pipe it. The other reason was the package - I wouldn't have gotten pddc, ptv, etc with the diesel 6cyl, sadly
BMW charge £1.9k for Storm Bay (metallic grey) on the iX
Aston charge £20k+ (Twenty thousand pounds) for that F1 green metallic colour 😬
Sorry, what does 2.5 tonnes have to do with doing the school run or shopping? Pretty sure you’ll often find a cayenne doing the school run..well if you live in a nice area with good schools anyway 🤔
@@TraderBoy24 Sorry my comment read a little weird, I meant the power, yes the weight has nothing to do with the day to day nature of the car! I've edited
Respectfully you just picked the wrong car for your situation. I agree this is overkill but a torquey turbocharged 350-400hp is useful in a family SUV going over local mountain ranges. Midsize wagons aren't much lighter or cheaper but they are less comfortable and practical
A rhetorical question that doesn't really need asking - of course it's too heavy. Also, I *don't care* how many assurances I hear from manufacturers, revving/stressing a piston engine from stone-cold is never NOT going to prematurely wear it out (particularly in cold climates).
Interesting that the engineers allow it tho
Engineers wouldn't allow it, they are over ruled by the non engineers.
Over head cam engines have, and always will, have a weakness for oil supply to the camshaft. Oil galleries, etc, help to mitigate that, but for a high performance engine, and longevity, you need warm oil to flow.
@@Jack-qn4vt Or you know, engineers know better than random internet commenters. But they don't care about experts in their craft who spend literally years designing these systems - they just say "I don't care how many assurances I hear " and they can have an opinion on the internet like anyone else.
@@gambiting Or, you know, big businesses don't care about longevity of cars because that doesn't affect their profits. Why would they care what happens tens of thousands of miles down the line? They've moved on to the next model by then. See BMW M cars and their endless flaws.
@@julianevans9548yeah but bmw and porsche are night and day in reliability, especially this v8 in the porsche which is proven by a lot of suv and sedans in the volskwagen lineup. I've seen a turbo s that run in the drag strip 12 times in just 15 minutes and seen a bmw m4 that got heatsoaked after 5 runs in 10 minutes
V8 hybrid, now the future is interesting! The noise is great, and the fact you averaged 40mpg. Perfect
I have this car and did Newcastle to Manchester for only 31miles in hybrid. On the way back had some fun 7mpg .its a fantastic motor
They should have called that colour Bismarck Grey :)
Good one! I quite agree with you!
The day has come when I’ve found a Porsche boring 🤷🏻♂️
until you drive one
Drive it
People who can afford these cars don't always want attention ...they want to be able to tear up the road without attracting too much attention from the police and the tax man
A lot of comments expressing dislike for SUVs. I have found the Cayenne Turbo S e-hybrid perfect for the long family trips across the continent and in the Alps. I could not imagine doing it in anything else. I suppose it makes most sense when you have multiple cars to cover different situations, or even the sporty SUV to do it all, while having ground clearance.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. There is FAR more space - for passengers and for all their luggage - in my brother's Toyota 5-door estate car. Ground clearence has never been an issue either. Perfectly ok for gravel lanes in the Austrian Alps or rutted, private driveways. Obviously it's no good for serious off-roading but neither is a Ferrari.
@@PaulFellows3430 Coincidentally, I read your comment as it thunderstormed and the roads became flooded. Having air suspension and setting the height to maximum ensured there was no problem. I do wonder about having an estate, but there are not many, if any, I would want. But I would have a Toyota Land Cruiser.
@@PaulFellows3430 How do you disagree with someone talking about their own perspective? And Toyota don't currently make a large 5 door estate car.
@@DiscoFang Yes they do. You obviously have never heard of the Corolla Sport Touring Hybrid. It's an estate, just with a different name.
@@PaulFellows3430I shouldn’t have to point out that the Corolla is relatively smsll car. If you think that is a valid comparison to the Cayenne for size and ability there’s not much more to say.
Another Sunday treat! Cheers Harry
Thanks Harry. Great review. I have this car in this colour and you have pretty much nailed it on every point. Outstanding piece of kit. Reading through the comments, it must be a little disheartening as 90% of them are so judgemental, rude and ignorant. I would remind them, if you haven’t got anything nice to say, keep quite. You pay your money, you make your choice.
@@AngryWalter what does quite hilarious mean Carlo? It is or it isn’t. Ignorant, case in point.
People are knocking a terrible car...not Harry
15.15, taking eyes off the road to fiddle with touchscreen. One of the many things I hate about new cars. They are dangerous.
Yes but can’t do it on a mobile phone, EU rule makers should have banned these screens long ago !!!
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£167k “ quite a lot of money” yes quite a waste of money at that price.
To be fair the threshold for what constitutes a waste of money for potential owners would be pretty high I’d imagine.
Plastic wheel arches too 😂
the people that buy it are not exactly poor, 167k for them is nothing
For the people that say it's a waste of money, it's better than a urus at 100k less
Yeah that shocked me...& I drive a £95k (RRP ofc - I got a discount) 2023 RS5 Vorsprung coupe.
So you have to pay extra for it to be left in its undercoat :)
A great HG episode. For me, the Porsche is much more discreet than the other two. Which can be a great advantage. You can't legally use the performance of them on the street anyway.
It is worth mentioning that the Cayenne is a huge car that has a trunk in the back with a capacity of only 400L. It's like a compact car.
As dull as its paintwork…..
Damn, was excited for the McLaren 2100 mile drive
Instead we get a fat grey Volkswagen.
I fully agree, so was i !
I can't tell you how utterly bored I am of SUVs, warp speed performance or not. A lovely video as always though, but my word, as vehicles, this market segment bores me to tears.
More on EVs and hybrids though. There are some very interesting power trains under development.
Not really though. In 15 to 20 years time EV's maybe will be at a point where they haven't got the disadvantages they have now. I will keep driving ICE (maybe hybrid) until I have no other option and can't drive an ICE car anywhere anymore, but that is more than 25 years away.
@@Stijn5I run both EV and ICE, I enjoy them both for very different reasons. EV hasn't impacted my life and way of travelling as the naysayers seem to think. In its current format, it definitely isn't the future and definitely isn't perfect but I enjoy it. Not as much as my ICE though. 😊
@@aston-martin-internationalist People who live in cities can't charge at home. Not worth it to have to wait half an hour or more to charge a car.
@@aston-martin-internationalist It certainly impacts the way you travel long distances. Refueling a petrol car just takes 5 minutes.
@@Stijn5 has made no difference to me. I stop every hundred miles or so when doing distance anyway. I just stop and top up for 5 or 10 minutes. Just a minor shift in mindset.
Floor paint grey should be banned in the EU
Looks like the Halford's grey primer I used on my wheelbarrow...
Performance SUVs should be banned. Grey is fine.
It's the best colour for a car. Every car I've ever had was that colour, beautiful. Doesn't show dirt as much, doesn't stand out too much, all around
Extend that ban to the US. This non metallic gray trend is worse than the "murdered out" look
I've yet to see any grey car that wouldn't look better in a different colour. Just looks drab, boring, and like they just lacquered over grey primer.
More and more pointless bhp for suburban rudeboys and drug dealers
But mat will drag it
@@buffalobilly6046 Oh, yeah this is def on Watson's dance card.
Thanks for the ride!
4:35 so they removed, and in very in your face way, the shade above display that used to be instrument cluster, so you can get more reflections? Wow
Looks like receding hairline, like something is missing. No idea why they think it's good looking design.
Probably an option...
Who would buy one at that price point!?! Good review as always Harry
Harry really ought not to film his video intros inside the garage; all the time he's guiding us around the newest bloated auto-blob, I'm looking at the cars in the background and thinking, "Hmm... I like that Elan. And that's a mighty handsome Jaaaaaaag..."
While Bib drools at the sight of the mighty Kawasaki Z1300
Good bit of perspective, I'd say.
The Project 7 and 8 cars, lottery win fantasy cars!
I just wish Harry would concentrate his video-making expertise on his own collection - each item of which is REALLY interesting - rather than on these bloated, vastly over-priced and, quite honestly, pretty boring, modern Euro-blobs that very few of us will ever WANT to own, never mind whether or not we could afford them.
Just can’t get excited about SUVs.
They obvs sell very well so I’m in the minority, but I wonder if the fashion will end in the long term. Give me a RS6 over these three any day of the week. 😂
I'm convinced the tide will turn against SUV's and companies like Volvo will regret ditching their estate cars.
@@01avensis I do hope so.
I've been calling for the end of the SUV fad for over two decades and it hasn't happened yet. And given the aging populations in many of the places that can afford pricey vehicles the high seating position has become almost obligatory in the definition of "luxury". Consumer Reports was dinging the Toyota Avalon for a "low seating position" for years prior to its demise.
How much extra is the Hybrid plus insurance is usually much higher over ice cars. Add that together and you can buy an awful lot of fuel to run an ice. £1800 extra for primer, let’s face it they are taking the pee now. Harry has got so used to driving £200k cars he thinks this is a bargain. My F-Pace SVR is definitely a bargain in comparison.
Is it? My XC60 T8 phev is 400 quid a year to insure. I don't think that's much(if at all) more than regular ICE version.
I'm not sure fixing nose heaviness by just adding weight to the rear to make it 50/50 represents great progress. I'd like to see a company with the engineering and racing heritage of Porsche focus on making something like this but at a far lower weight and with increased focus on efficiency. Otherwise this arms race of increased power, batteries and weight is going to get ridiculous , you'll need a tachograph to drive an SUV in a few years time!
Coming to the bradford ring road soon
This current model Cayenne is actually one of the few of these "coupe SUV" things that actually looks good.
Talked me into it :) Have had a Cayenne GTS for 2 years since new and it is amazing, the V8 sound is wonderful, it switches from driving like a normal car to a sports car when you floor it and it's a rocket ship. People in the passenger seat just laugh or scream, even took a mate out who suffers from depression, and he smiled the entire time, said it was the happiest he had been in a year. The fuel economy is so bad its funny and your £120 credit card limit at the petrol pump doesn't fill it. So, if this car is sportier, better to drive and with better fuel economy and the V8 sound why not! I live in the country, have teenagers and dogs so it makes sense over a 911 which would sit in the garage the majority of the time.
Loving your garage .... though missing your farm. ( farming channel is ace ).
Who on earth pays 170k for a mid sized SUV?
Pay your money and take your choice 😊
A new slow, petrol powered Skoda Kodiak costs £50k these days !
IMO an idiot. I would rather have a modern, barely run in Rolls Royce at that price.
Soccer mommies' husbands
True. But I suspect also that the answer is 'nobody'. They're all paying by the month, and will never own the car.
@@julianevans9548 -exactly.
Cars like this are bought by footballers, where £200k is a couple of weeks wages, or through a business with tax benefits and a monthly payment.
My iX is a £100k car, but I pay just £750 per month, which includes everything except the electricity ‘fuel’. (Includes insurance, maintenance and tyres)
Beautiful looking car in that colour. Love the twin exhausts. Think hybrid is the future. I'd definitely get a hybrid over a fully electric car. V8 sounds tasty too. Cheers again.
Seriously??! That is the most goppingly awful looking 'car' ever made.
@@SPC22 Everyone has different tastes. I also think the car looks good.
The WAG's VAG.
Cheers Harry, keep well.
Staggered by the price of the standard car, let alone this. It's just a shopping car.
Really Harry should test it with two screaming brats in the back and the weekly supermarket trolly worth of food in the boot.
@@tonyedgecombe6631 🤣 That's just too real world, might scare away some viewers.
Badass Cayenne!
This powertrain really suits sporty SUV like Porsche Cayenne and others EV mode for daily use like school runs, and V8 for weekend getaways.
Still not a fan of performance SUV , SUV nd performance don't get together, but Porsche done nice job 😊.
Great video Harry keep up with great work 😊❤
To get that electric mileage which you need you have to continuously charge it to 100%, I thought the recommendation was to charge the battery was 80% to preserve it. I had a BMW phev and that battery soon started to loose range.
Wow the amount of time your eyes were NOT looking at the road whilst fiddling with the screens was alarming 😱
Harry’s reviews get better and better unlike the cayenne just gets uglier if that were possible.
Why don’t Porsche stick to building sports cars instead of pig ugly SUVs 🤔
Because the SUVs earn them the most money, sadly.
I wonder what goes through the mind of somebody who buys an SUV.
@@tonyedgecombe6631 It depends actually. My mom for example wanted a car with a high seating position... and she fell a bit for the "trend factor" of SUVs.
I believe most people buy SUVs because it is a trend vehicle, they believe SUVs are safer and more pracitcal than other car types. So in essence people buy SUVs for the wrong reasons.
When it comes to towing capacity, SUVs can often pull more than estates etc.
And ofc the usual simple thinking: "It is bigger, therefore it must be better!".
@@tonyedgecombe6631 Something like this or the Urus? Husband wants a 911/Huracan, wife wants an SUV, husband has so little testosterone he has to compromise.
Thanks Harry... Now please will you feature some interesting cars.
I bought a cayenne quartz pride of this one. Crazy car. Amazing nice. No compare to other .
I am only 3 minutes in - the contrast between this car, and almost everything in your garage is astounding. A lump of grey next to the Jag. No doubt I am about to learn about its amazing mechanics, but they won't compensate a complete lack of style.
Great video ‘H’. 👍🏻😀
Great video as always, reminds me of a more modern Audi A2 on steroids
I like that Porsche has done away with analog gauges. I swear I will buy a Patek Philippe Grandmaster Chime Ref. 6300A-010, as soon as it comes out with a Casio digital read-out too. I prefer it's accuracy.
Not that the people who drive this car would care, but the running costs must be astronomical. 22" 315 section tyres, probably 420mm brakes, mad
About as appealing as the car Homer Simpson created for his brothers car factory...
Canyonero ?
@@royshaft 🤣
Or the "Howard!"
Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control, reminds me of PDM in Porsche adverts of the 1980s. Passenger Door Mirror
i think the grey looks good it blends in with the British grey sky's
Primed and ready for paint.
Too shiny, should have gotten matte. 🤣
As the owner of a Cayenne S e-hybrid I would like to point out that you can get 740 hp out of any ea824 4.0T V8 (including the S and GTS) with just a tune and have a much faster (because much lighter) car.
Was hoping you’d review one of the other spec cayennes (like the standard e-hybrid) to see how it fairs against its rivals like the X5 and RR sport.
RR Sport... Car for chavs and mildly successful drugdealers.
Great video as ever and a fair review. Unfortunately nobody wants these cars any more. Hopefully the French or Italians will save us with something light, nimble and beautiful. Till then...
I usually do 170kph when I go down to the shop for groceries, then when I heard 190kph, I thought I'm buying one of those .
I like a quick shop me 😁
Mph.
@@Stijn5 even better.
Yes, me too, and while I am doing a ton seventy I always take my eyes off the road to fiddle with my touch screen!
@@ralphmillais5237 As you should.
You’re the type that enjoys Express self service checkouts, aren’t you?!
What do you think about the long term reliability of these complex plug in hybrids? I run a leasing company and I wouldn’t want any plug in hybrid after the warranty expires. We have so many problems with plug in hybrids. They are complicated and risky once they get to 3 years old
After giving hybrids a good slagging off and Harry buying a diesel RRS, he’s back loving an ugly expensive hybrid much to my surprise!
The great thing about Porsche is they have so mnay different models and sub models that you could do one review a week and that's your year sorted, same goes for BMW.
No matter how much money you have Porsche have a model that will consume it all.
I had a 955 Cayenne slow years ago and I thought it was a good car. I always wanted the turbo but eventually went for BMW X5’s.
Just needs a turret and a couple of black crosses painted on.
Did you check the options list? Turret might not be available in all markets though.
Hahaha
I should point out that I really like this thing. My big gripe is that we are being limited for choice for no good reason. If you want the hybrid great but if you want a non-hybrid you should be able to get one aswell. Depending on your use either may be the better choice but that should be down to the custmer/market to decide.
Let's also point out that Harry says the ride quality is exceptional, yet the tire pressures are set to 3.1 bar (45 psi). As you know, most vehicles recommend 33-35 psi (2.28 or 2.41 bar) because any higher will cause the ride quality to suffer. This car running pressures that high and retaining exceptional ride quality means that the suspension must be truly amazing.
It's 2.5 tonnes the tyre pressure is needed for that reason alone.
And all suspension is a compromise in some form or another.
Interesting topic.Paradoxically, It could be that higher tyre pressures transfer more motion to the suspension allowing it to work better. My 440i coupe seems to ride better with 2.6 bar all round rather than 2.4.
Excellent review as always! When you are reviewing hybrids I think it would be great if you explained how the battery is placed in the car (which you do here) and how (if) the battery placement affects the luggage compartment compared to non hybrid models (if there are any). I think Volvo is doing a great job with their hybrid packaging whilst BMW and Mercedes have been more lazy, slaying the luggage compartments and making many of their models unusable for me.
Leaves me absolutely cold.
I’ve loved everything automotive since I was very little but this sort of thing is doing something I never thought would happen. It’s boring me. These vapid, gigantic, resource wasting, ugly vehicles are just too much. They seem to me to be utterly pointless. I know it’s subjective, but I can’t see it any other way. The Vast majority of them will never be driven by car enthusiasts but rather by “those types” who think that their self-worth is measured by how much noise and paper performance their taste-free vehicle has.
Couldn't agree more. Love Harry's content whatever the car, however there's nearly zero connection between this absurdity and all the things that first excited me about cars as a youngster, and still do today. I would genuinely far rather drive something like a Golf R estate (pre-stupid ipad dashboard) and have 150k change - or indeed no change - than this great lump of excess. I'd be embarrassed, and bored (because who the hell can safely use that kind of power anywhere in their day to day lives?!). A nonsense, and a gross waste of resources.
Same. Went from buying the newest and fastest stuff I could, to buying and maintaining something 30 years old and driving a functional older wagon rest of the time. Wish I’d come to the conclusion earlier if anything!
if you want the powertrain from the pre-facelift Cayenne Turbo GT in a current car: buy the facelifted Audi RSQ8 and save some money. it lacks a bit of the "Porsche-ness" of course. not a huge fan of sporty SUVs although they are interesting from a technical point of view. modern suspensions and what they achieve is really fascinating.
I miss the Turbo GT. At least it was 300kg lighter and doesn't have an overly powerful drivetrain. And I'd argue looks better on the outside.
Nor a fan of any of SUV coupes. But, the powertrain is appealing!
I love your videos , but this and than Range Rover a few weeks ago our such a struggle .
That's $320,000 Australian dollars!!! The world has gone mad! 😂
lots of tall grass & farm land in Harry's area.. what crops do they grow there? or am i mistaken
Those brakes look like bananas!🤣
Great video, it is weird to me that they removed the GT badge off the back of this top tier Cayenne when it is the offering in the European market.
Thanks Harold.
Gauranga
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And still wait for the F40 and F50
Harry, try the VW Touareg R hybrid - 462bhp and all the whistles and bells for half the price!
I think the most egregious paid option has the be the InnoDrive being a hair over £2,000. The same level of tech provided in that option comes as standard in the Skoda Octavia!
Good family car
Good vlog interesting 🤔 nice one 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
There is a multi storey car park near where I grew up that has been there for as long as I can remember. When any type of car drives over a certain point on the first floor the WHOLE car park shakes. Imagine if all the cars in that car park weighed 2.5 tonnes! Even a decent percentage could well break the design limit for the structure when the heaviest thing that would have been in there when built would be an Austin Maxi. I think car manufacturers need to focus on weight, and weight alone. Everything is better with a lack of weight. Efficiency, acceleration, dynamics, handling, braking, you name it, it's better with a lighter car. 2.5 tonnes is just ridiculous. This is also not mentioning the damage to roads, the ease of driving on our narrow country lanes, the fuel and electricity usage etc.
But can it tow Harry? How would it behave in your field?
3 times the power of my 968. 2 times the weight. 10 times the price. Modern high performance SUVs are a joke.
Ok, it's been painted in primer..so when is it going back for a colour?
The first aid kit seems like a steal at £9.00 ! Probably more car than anyone needs, but fun I imagine for those who can afford it.