Please watch the full video before commenting!!! Just to clarify- just because you enjoy a particular generation more than another one, doesn't put you into one of the categories. The categories are just for the vocal crowd who refuses to play games outside of their Sonic comfort zone because they're different. Thanks for watching!
The thing is the games are so wildly different from one another it almost doesn't make any sense to group them together as 'The Sonic Fanbase'. The old games were about precision platforming but had no focus on story and very little emphasis on speed compared to the more recent offerings. The dc era games were more story / exploration focused and the latter seem to be more centred around the whole speed thing. It's a bit like saying you can't please the racing game fanbase because Assetto Corsa fans scoff at Ridge Racer. They are related, yes, but were talking about chalk and cheese here.
DanRock i like the classic and modern era of the sonic games, but the only thing is they can never recapture the original sonic games. Sonic 06 was OK based on story sonic, generations was great because it mixed both classic and modern games into one.
It being "too fast" wasn't the problem. Sonic handled badly (at least in the Wii version). He couldn't turn sharply, and he could barely turn at all while boosting, and drifting didn't help that much. Colors toned the speed down to a more manageable level while not making him too slow, but they ruined drifting and sidestepping. Generations took the best of the previous games and made some of them (drifting) better, and it's arguably the pinnacle of Boost gameplay.
It's playable enough for me and plenty of other people. Granted, I only played the Wii version, but I've seen how fast the HD version is, and while it's much faster, at least you're running straight ahead, allowing you to see where you're going while running at high speeds unlike in a side scroller. And if the boost is too fast for you, don't boost.
Unleashed is released. "No, why are there beat em up segments? Just give us boost gameplay!" Colors is released. "No, this is too repetitive! Give us boost gameplay and classic gameplay!" Generations is released. "No, the classic gameplay isn't exactly like the Genesis games! Give us slower, Adventure-sequel gameplay!" Lost World is released. "No, the parkour mechanics are too difficult to get used too! Give us something completely different!" Rise of Lyric is released. "No, you can't even go that fast! Bring back the gameplay from Generations!" Forces is released. "No, boost gameplay is overused and Classic Sonic still doesn't control like the Genesis games!" Me: Well, WTF do you people want? That's why Mania is a thing, at least people won't bitch too much about that.
Aaron Kasarion exactly! For all the fans that will accept whatever we're given, there'll always be those fans that just bitch about anything Sega tries to do
the legends let's plays probably an Egoraptorian, or someone who thinks that, ever since the franchise went 3D, the franchise will never have a good game ever again.
Well, when 60% of the stages are gonna be revisits of old stages, when everyone pretty much wanted an entirely new Sonic game (along with the people actually making Sonic Mania, not just directing it), yeah, it's gonna look like nostalgia pandering. Personally, I'm fine with it because of the execution of the revisited stages and how much new they have in them. But don't blame people for being off-put by it either.
fans: we want sonic to go back to his roots (Sonic Generations is announced) fans: this sucks its nothing like the original give us a game without boost mechanics (Sonic Lost World is announced) fans: this sucks sonic can't even run that fast we want a different type of gameplay (Sonic Boom Rise Of Lyric is announced) fans: this sucks why can't they go back to a good gameplay style like the boost gameplay (Sonic Forces is announced) fans: this sucks the boost is overused and classic sonic nothing like the original
This is one of those videos that will remain timeless. 5 years later and we still have to put up with the same shit. Frontiers isn't even out yet but we have hobby detectives who analyse every frame of the teaser to look for things to complain about. What other fanbase does something like that?
The Pokémon, Star Wars, Marvel and Nintendo fanbases do stuff like that too. Not defending the Sonic fandom, but it’s not something uncommon unfortunately.
*Sonic Generations releases* Fanbase: This is great! *Lost World and Rise of Lyric* Fanbase: Noooo, give us the boost gameplay!! *Sonic Forces Gameplay releases* Fanbase: NOBODY ASKED FOR THIS WHY IS IT ALWAYS THE SAME BOOST GAMEPLAY, TRY SOMETHING NEW SEGA! This is soooooo annoying. I'm personally extremely excited for Sonic Forces.
Yeah, the real issue is that it's pretty much impossible to satisfy everyone in the fanbase, because what one side of the fanbase wants is the complete opposite that the other side wants.
All I can hear when I see a short sighted comment like this is "WHAT!!! After 6 years of playing the same game over and over you're sick of it?!?!" You forget Rise of Lyric was 3 years ago and Lost World was 4. Opinions are subject to change (Also the fanbase isn't a hive mind so please stop acting like it is). I'm glad you're excited for Forces but please be understanding when people aren't as excited as you.
I'm actually pretty excited for Character Creation. :) But I have a feeling it won't be enough for people to stop making fun of it's dj comparing it to furries and DeviantArt.
I Live in the uk in a really rough area where sonic was deemed gonna get ur arse kicked worthy so I had to keep my sonic fandom a secret but now being out of school and able to embrace this fanbase I wish I was back to hiding in secrecy XD
The megadrive was more popular in the uk than the snes, then the playstation took over after that, I didnt even know what a N64 was untill 2010 it was that rare to comeacross around where i lived. And the popularity doesnt really matter if im honest haha once ur in highschool people judge for everything so u gotta keep that shit secret, fun time doe.
I guess you could say that the Sonic Fanbase needs to "Live and Learn" :D EDIT: Wow, a comment that i made that's actually kinda popular? How surprising thanks! :DDDDDDDDD
you know you got a point I like the sonic games for what they are and are all awsome...... and what sonic team makes we should appreciate the hard work and effort they put in instead of criticizing or hating a game because it isn't the way they want it (*cough cough classic Sammy and his rant 5 years ago who is now a meme)
While I agree that we should appreciate hard work and effort, I think you should NEVER say that something isn't deserving of criticism. Everything is deserving of criticism, and nothing is immune to it. The whole point of criticisms are to give feedback on what people think is holding the game back. Of course, there is constructive criticisms, and well... not so constructive criticisms, but at the very least no matter how good a game is, constructive criticism is important. It's like with Breath of the Wild. It received a lot of praise, and many people ignored some of the issues that the game has because they love it so much. That is their opinion, but some people, like myself, hold criticisms towards the game. It doesn't mean we don't enjoy it. It just means that we do have problems with the game, because no game is perfect. Sorry if it seems like I lost focus there.
Gym Leader Reggie Except Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric,that was unforgivable,at least Sonic 06 had good music. You can have your opinion on the game,and I have mine. Most people will tell you it's shit,but I know there's a 0.01 percent of the fan base that enjoys Rise of Lyric.
Gym Leader Reggie I actually never disliked a Sonic game, I appreciated them all, I even love Sonic 06 and Sonic Boom : Rise of Lyric, I dunno what people dont like in Sonic Boom, it was amazing and something different for once.
He considers them the same, but they aren't. There's modern morons who hate the boom games, and boom bitches who hate anything that isn't boom simply because it's not boom.
I think the better term of "Dreamcast Douches" is "Adventure Assholes", Those who think the adventure formula is the best thing on earth, and the thing that make 06 a better entry then its following games. I fit pretty well into that category.
xk rulez I think you mean sonic team. it was Sega that rushed Sonic Team to complete sonic 06 just to release it once the ps3/360 release. same thing happened with rise of lyric. both games needed more time to complete but were rushed to meet deadlines that weren't thought through
Maybe Sega should stop pandering to the Sonic fanbase, and focus on this huge group of people who are fans of their other, and infinitely better franchises.
The Sonic Team made games that appeal to (strangely enough) too many different audiences. With a game like Sonic Heroes, no other game is going to compare to the sheer amount of playable, non-broken characters. Modern Sonic in general almost completely constrasts the classic games. Adventure and 06 have completely different playstyles despite being 3D. If you like one Sonic game, there is no guarentee you'll like the next, because they are completely different.
Agreed, SEGA seems like they have such an unfair advantage because they actually try to please their fans, but they can't because their fans don't know what the hell they want; thus confusing the devs
Let me tell you a little story. One day a 12 year old kid called Timmy went on RUclips and saw a video that he didn't agree with. Timmy was going to comment on how his opinion was wrong, but Timmy decided that everyone was entitled to their opinion, because Timmy was sensible. Smart move Timmy
But are you not holding poor timmy back now how else will the world know this one guys youtube video is WRONG you are holding back timmy's freedom of speech sir and i have told timmy that he can say whatever he desires no matter what.
That's the re as of the game,to play your own character,of course people half to make dumb of everything.100% sure if nintendo gave mario an OC character no one will complain.
Unfortunately, there are always gonna be fans who don't like it, which sucks. Mainly just because it's something new and original, which I'm pretty sure is what many video games follow anyway XD
Pretty much the most factual fandom video I've seen in a while. The Sonic community is literally unable to be pleased. I've never been the type to angrily disagree with someone's opinion, since we as humans are all entitled to our own, but this community really knows just how to trigger me with theirs. What angers me the most, is that they don't show acceptance until a title has been dropped. For example, Unleashed wasn't popularly appreciated until Colors & Generations came out. Where fans realized that the day time stages in Unleashed were much faster, and fun to play. Then fans complained about Generations, but quickly took back their complaints once Sonic Lost World came out, and couldn't wait to get the modern take back. Then Lost World was critically acclaimed, until Sonic Boom. Then the fans began accepting Lost world for what it was, just to then bash on Boom. And now here we are, fans are going to downplay and shoehorn Forces, until the next Sonic game drops and they realize their complaints are NOT helping Sega stick to a formula, when all the fans just keep saying they're wrong. Like what you like, that's on you. But don't hate on something you've never even tried, and worst of all, don't hate on it THEN say you love it when it's too late to get some sort of sequel. If you're going to be excessively negative, at least stick to your word.
I think that's stupid lol GREEN HILL IS THE FIRST LEVEL IN THE FIRST GAME OF COURSE THEYRE GONNA DO THE SAME FOR A GAME CELEBRATING THE FRANCHISE WHAT THE FUK YOU TALKIN BOUT-
chris espejo reminds me a bit of the Mystery Science Theater 3,000 fanbase with the Joel vs Mike vs Jonah nonsense. Joel, Mike and Jonah being the three hosts of the show. Joel being the shows creator and original host from the KTMA days to the first half of Season five, Mike being the former head writer and second host taking over in the second half of season five to season ten and Jonah being the third host and taking over when Joel brought the show back this year for season eleven.
chris espejo I enjoyed every Sonic game I've ever played. Favorites being Sonic 2, SA2b and Colors. Does this mean I'm just sitting in the sidelines watching a war?
The boost mechanic in the modern games isn't even that bad. You still have to quick as fuck with the reflexs/memory of the layout of the level to get a good time on the zones. The side stepping and drifting mechanics are nice additions as well.
That's what Yuji Naka's intentions were before he made Sonic 1. As playing Super Mario Bros. 1-1, he was inspired that if you memorize the level's layout better, you get faster and faster, which is why Sonic games were made like that in the first place.
I think every Sonic game was good... Except Sonic 06 and Sonic Boom. Sonic 06 was, however, fun because of how broken it was, but Sonic Boom was just boring. Simply my opinion.
Daniel E. Melendez - Cruz Same Here, I am a fan too other than 06 & Boom and I respect the series nonetheless. You and I are good fans, the targeted part though are the bad fans which makes some believe that every sonic fan is an overly critical brat and I agree it ruins the fun of the games
I'm probably going to receive some backlash for saying this. But 06 is my favorite Sonic Game that I've played. Now I've played every Sonic game from 1-Gens a lot through the Mega Collection, a lot through out owning copies. I can firmly say 06 is my favorite Sonic Game because it was the 2nd Sonic Game I've ever played my first being heroes (Gamecube version) back in 04 when I was 4. I do acknowledge the glitches and bad things about 06 but to me that game is beyond fun and I've even taken the time out of my Life to S rank everything in the game.
NoLimit Jordan I respect your opinion. I still think it sucked but if you like it that's fine. Like the Video said, your opinion's not wrong, it's unpopular but if you like it, that's ok
Tbh, ALL of them are 100% for me! Classic is Old, Retro and Fantastic! Dreamcast is fantastic with lot's of cool moves! Morden (I grew up with) is satisfying, Fast and the graphics are beautiful!
I love all styles of sonic games, classics, moderns, adventure, advance, even the fighting ones, but man, this video represent every single thing, sonic fanbase will always find a little thing to complain, or because they're fanboys, or because they want to feel different from other people
Sonic fans are the worst. They say they want the classics back so Sega makes sonic generations and they still nitpick. Then Sega releases Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric and they say they want classic sonic back so this year they are making Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces and now they're saying there is too much classic sonic. Idiots.
When fans says they want the classics back they meant something like Sonic Mania but maybe with a more... Retro visuals ? I dunno yeah you are right with the fans beeing picky. I am not a big fan of the modern era Sonic. I stopped at Heroes and I kind of bug to the flaws of the recent games because I cherish a lot of my Childhood and most videogames. It's my nostalgia and my love for the videogames I used to grow with that may alter my judgement, but I enjoy the Gameplay and visuals of Sonic Forces. And I might come back to the serie since both Mania and Forces will be on the Switch. Well at least Mania.
JoJo was a mistake Same. I never meant to accuse you, I was just saying that that's pretty much how all of the sonic haters are. And yeah, the non-toxic side is actually pretty cool, I've actually met some pretty nice fans.
JoJo was a mistake Yeah, it's kind of sad really. There is a good and bad part of this fandom, but the latter part usually gets the most attention, which in turn causes people to think the ENTIRE fandom is that way.
it's a miracle, i just have a though to come here just to say that, and here's your comment speaking what i'm about to say, after playing new sonic games, i don't hate sonic or sega, that was just my hunger speaking, all y'all can forget what I've said earlier. bye bye.
AngelAnimeGod I don't understand why people are so unhappy with changes in the franchise, especially like the game play used in Sonic Unleashed. Sonic Unleashed just took speed and brawling to a whole new level with the day and night stages for each place. You play as Sonic in hedgehog form, you go fast. You play as Sonic in werehog form, you kick a lot of butt, and have cool abilities that make up for the loss of speed.
@Raspberry I hated it manly due to the speed stages wanting you to stop and collect stuff (impossible as they're way to fast) and the quicktime bosses. Plus, I could only play it on an XBox at the time, which combine a controller I'm not used to with the quicktime boss... Very flawed game. ...oh, and the werehog stages weren't the worst thing in he world (coming from a DMC and GoW fan) just not all that fun.
Apple Slipper Doesn't the Adventure era have 06 too due to the fact that it plays and uses common conventions only found in adventure titles? It always bothered me how it is grouped with the Modern Sonic games even though it's clearly an adventure game.
Absol-bloody-utely true! If they are "Sonic Fans," THEN WHY DO THEY PRESSURE SEGA AND NEGETIVELY CRITICIZE THEM *JUST* BECAUSE THEIR GAMES DON'T MEET THEIR QUALIFYING STANDARDS!?!?!?!?!?!?!
This is the thing tho, Sega is trying their hardest to make games the sonic fan base would like but it's probably impossible considering no one wants to give real feedback about the game, instead they just call it trash. Just imagine, you made a game and people just keep saying it's trash but no one is giving opinions on how to make the game better or recommending stuff to do/add, how are you going to be able to make the game better if you have no clue what anyone wants?
Summons landmaster and kills all Sonic toxic fans. Then everyone is happy with their games and Sega keeps making money and more games. The end (in a perfect world).
Trollface Tamer Trollface same. i dont care what gameplay are they gonna chose or what kind of story they'll slap on it. the only thing that matters to me is PLAYABILITY. as long as the new sonic game is PLAYABLE AND POLISHED, i would buy it.
Trollface Tamer Trollface You know what I want? A Good story with good gameplay. That's all I want. Sonic Forces has the good gameplay which is fine by me. But the question is.... Will they still keep the story like Colors and Generations? Or just like how they handled the storylines before 2010?
Aaron Kasarion some random guy said that there will be a new writer for the game (i hope its not like pontac and graff) and sadly whoever is the director is still the same
RalphJeremy 65 I heard that Shun Nakamura (Director of Sonic 06) is involved in the game as a producer (which explains the Whole City's on fire lol) But seriously, I just hope that they get better writers. I seriously hate the puns or no good storyline from Colors
As a huge Sonic fan, there’s no other community that’s been as toxic as the Sonic community. So many fanboys are NEVER happy. A lot of them go on EVERY vs video of a Sonic character losing a vs battle and make emotional paragraph essays on why their fav character should win. Then when others with knowledge of other universe cosmologies debunk their argument, the fanboys CONSTANTLY move the goalpost and make a strawman counterpoint. You can’t have a reasonable conversation with them at all.
I'm just a regular sonic fan and I'm not one of those people who are very stupid with thier ridiculous opinions on the designs or game play! I love Sonic (the third one in 1993) Sonic Heroes, SONIC generations and sonic riders. Sonic is just sonic. case closed.
Crazy Caryn exactly! I LOVE Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic 2, and Sonic Generations!! (I want Sonic Mania too) I'm just your average Sonic fan.
It's totally not related, but it's amazing how after 5 laters, Pokemon fans are now worse than Sonic fans. Especially when the Sonic movie came out, and Sword and Shield came out...
@@custom-r Sonic Unleashed and Pokémon Legends Arceus: The two games that saved the franchise, but were hated by nostalgia blind fanboys of specific eras.
I think Sonic Frontiers looks amazing I dont know why everyone's complaining and giving it shit when it hasn't even came out yet. This fanbase is pathetic
Ong, they acting like the gameplay showcase was meant to show the whole game. Even when it was clearly just a physics showcase to let us see the graphics and how Sonic moves and shit.
@@midnight_horizen8184 exactly but they still aren't satisfied smh there like "give me more" instead of going "oh wow this game looks incredible, cant wait for it to come out" and the sad part is it's the grown adult male fans in there 30s and 40s doing most of the complaining and not the kid fans it's sad really
Same, I love the new game they are making. Yes, I know it needs some time to be fully complete but I'm ok with waiting a year or longer for it to be amazing. That being said, I like how it looks and I feel like it's great to see an open-world sonic game with different things going on.
@@kingkrysen 14 year old here (not even that much of a "fan" i've played like 2 modern games i think, so don't take anything i say for granted) The problem that i have with frontiers is that it looks stiff AF. I don't really care if there isn't much animation or the ambientation doesn't feel very "sonic-y", if the gameplay is fun we can overlook that; the problem is that the game doesn't look that fun, just the physics and action look very robotic and boring, and the biggest part of the franchise, momentum, is barely there. This might sound like a nitpick but sonic is 50% based around how the action and physics work: take that away and you get 50% of the experience, wich is things like the look and level design, and without the "fun" those parts don't get overlooked, they get noticed. Sorry for the long rant
Tell me a GOOD reason why they're fanbase is worse. *ahem* A GOOD reason. If you are just gonna say it's porn, contains children 10-, and has bitchy assholes. The FNaF fanbase is just your typical cancer fanbase. It's my 3rd most hated fanbase actually! There are much worse ones. And Undertale is one of them. Don't believe me? Just ask me!
Never thought of it that way. I never really messed with it, but imagine if they put it in Forces and gave the race mode locations from past games. Now imagine if some locations were unlockable through the main game. My hopes are way too high now.
I mean, there can be a game you don't care for. Like with Mario, you could hate Mario 2 or Mario teaches typing and still be a Nintendo fan. Same here.
I do agree that there are people who are pretty ignorant when it comes to playing Sonic games, however part of this divided fanbase problem is because of Sega. Sonic has gone through so many changes and iterations that it's impossible to defy what the Sonic brand is. Is he a physics based platformer that allows for exploration and speed? Or is he a linear on the rails runner? Or is he just one small character is a series of 20 other characters to play as? I'm not saying it's bad for a video game series to change (look at Breath of the Wild), but when the changes are this drastic and this fast, it's no wonder why everyone is pitted against each other.
thing about breathe of the wild was that was a change in a more "gameplay" oriented direction, sonic games keep focusing on spectacle and the nebulous concept of fast with each game OVER gameplay.
The thing on Segas end though, they didn’t expect the fanbase to be so divided on key points of the series. 2D V.S. 3D: Sonic had to transition to 3D at some point. The Boost Formula: After 06’s failure, which was Segas fault for rushing Sonic Team, they needed to do something different and it turned out to be popular. It explains why they went back to it for Forces after Lost World. I’m still split between another Boost and another Adventure styled game honestly. But they both sound risky.
Agreed. Ever since Generations ended, it seems more like SEGA is experimenting with what works for Sonic with a bunch of drastic changes to game design, but not getting any useful results due to the split fanbase.
Daishawn Greene Uh no this is what's gonna happen if they do that. Sonic Fan Dumb: Wat teh hell sega we didn't wat tis!?!! we wanted another rivals game!!?!?
I love how RUclips recommends me this after the Sonic Frontier gameplay video. While some,including me, are excited for it, some already say it will be shit, even though the game isn't even released
It’s incredible how this video remains relevant I honestly will never understand how sonic 06 is suddenly considered a good game, im not saying people can’t like it, but people give it WAYYYY too much credit than it’s actually worth The game is still a mess when it comes to gameplay and the story COULD’VE worked but it just didn’t, the most I can give it credit for is having a good portrayal for shadow, voice acting and music (duh)
Probably because of Project 06. ChaosX2006 is taking Sonic 06 and removing all the glitches and improving characters and adding back in scrapped features like the Rainbow Gem, (Lets you become Super Sonic in any level after getting all S Ranks!) and even adding in new features like Shadow’s Uninhibited Mode from the cutscene with the Mephiles Clones as an unlockable after getting all S Ranks as Shadow, and for Silver, a upgrade to let you jump into a ball ESP Blast upgrade after getting all S Ranks as Silver. Every character is a lot better and more fun to play. Even Ames. Everyone hated Ames’s Gamplay but now due to Project 06……. They want her more! 🙂😁😊☺️💖
@@stoopid69421Yes but we have to judge a piece of media on what it IS and not what it COULD have been. Using that same logic, Sonic Forces and Sonic Boom are 2 of the best games in the franchise because of how well they COULD’VE turned out as opposed to what we actually got. P-06 doesn’t change the fact that retail 06 was a buggy mess that was rushed out the door due to SegaSammy’s poor management.
@@ToonyTalesXthis is what I’ve been thinking, yes I love P-06 but it still doesn’t change that the final version of 06 was a mess, P-06 is what it could’ve been had it not been rushed
Best advice I can give, just play the games and ignore the fandom itself. As someone who grew up with sonic as well I still love the franchise but I will not associate myself with the fandom and it's not just sonic I'm like that with.
i'm so glad i joined the Sonic fandom. it feels so good and it's hilarious. i can simply draw one of my favorite characters, post it on DeviantArt, and i'm part of a meme!
Thank you! I've been saying this for a long time now. It's THOSE kinds of Sonic fans that give the fanbase a bad name, and why Sonic is in such a bad position.
i play sonic because i like sonic and no matter what great or terrible game comes from sega i will still play and attempt to enjoy the games released not everything will please everyone and the sooner we realize this the better
Here after Forces, Frontiers, Superstars, and nearing Shadow Generations. I agree with everything said here. While it's not nearly as present as it once was since Shadow Generations has everyone not only hyped but happier, there are definitely people complaining.
True, there is not much complains nowadays but the main complains are againts Ian Flynn, the guy everyone wishes could writte for the games back then, now we have and some ppl still complain lmao
@@bluedealerLike, people are riding his ass just because he turned Amy from an overly obsessed stalker to someone who can genuinely work as Sonic’s love interest💀
No, they are not. Fans will explode over Mario Party 9 and 10 any day of the week and beat the dead horse that is Sticker Star. And I don't think they were ever happy with the Mario and Sonic games, especially since that series got confirmed to be canceled.
Well, that won't stop Sonic Team from trying. And that's the problem, they made so many projects in which they were going for something new and then injected some elements solely for the purpose of pleasing fans that 30 years later the fanbase is this schizophrenic entity that can't agree on a single game being universally good. A single one. At this point they should just do whatever.
This is true, and I have a little story of mine to confirm this I use to not like Sonic 06 because I looked at other people's opinions, so I based mine off of there, however one Christmas I opened a present that looked like a game case, now for Christmas I asked for Sonic Adventure, but when I opened it, it was Sonic 06, now I didn't say anything negative to my parent because they got me the wrong game, instead I say "yay" I decided to play it, but as to my surprise it was actually really fun, yeah sure its more broken than this fan base, but I enjoyed it, it might even be my favourite Sonic game. So yeah, try it before you say its garbage like the millions of "original characters", and don't base your opinions on others, form your own.
"uuugh this game sucks they should take a few years to develop the game and not rush it" "Uuuuugh the next game is taking too long, they should release sonic games each year" "uuuuugh they should work faster so we can play the game, developing a game should not be taking too long"
I agree with everything you said man. People like to hold on to what their used to instead of being open to other gameplay styles. But the worst part is, as you said, that these people that aren't open to these other gameplay styles instantly paint it off as being inferior or just plain bad to what they are used to, without having ever really been open to it. In the end, I get why people might think this way, but don't spread your blind uneducated hatred on another gameplay style when you haven't ever even given it a real chance.
Please watch the full video before commenting!!!
Just to clarify- just because you enjoy a particular generation more than another one, doesn't put you into one of the categories.
The categories are just for the vocal crowd who refuses to play games outside of their Sonic comfort zone because they're different.
Thanks for watching!
DanRock that's how I been feeling I love sonic he started me off with gaming and I have played all eras except boom that can go die
The thing is the games are so wildly different from one another it almost doesn't make any sense to group them together as 'The Sonic Fanbase'. The old games were about precision platforming but had no focus on story and very little emphasis on speed compared to the more recent offerings. The dc era games were more story / exploration focused and the latter seem to be more centred around the whole speed thing.
It's a bit like saying you can't please the racing game fanbase because Assetto Corsa fans scoff at Ridge Racer. They are related, yes, but were talking about chalk and cheese here.
DanRock i like the classic and modern era of the sonic games, but the only thing is they can never recapture the original sonic games. Sonic 06 was OK based on story sonic, generations was great because it mixed both classic and modern games into one.
DanRock wow this is a good vid u only got 1 dislike
U my friend have just created the single most best sonic fan base rant/explanation I have ever watched I agree with u 100%
Internet: "Sonic Unleashed was too fast"
Me: "What the fuck does that even mean he's fucking Sonic."
It being "too fast" wasn't the problem. Sonic handled badly (at least in the Wii version). He couldn't turn sharply, and he could barely turn at all while boosting, and drifting didn't help that much. Colors toned the speed down to a more manageable level while not making him too slow, but they ruined drifting and sidestepping. Generations took the best of the previous games and made some of them (drifting) better, and it's arguably the pinnacle of Boost gameplay.
I personally enjoyed how fast it was possible to go. I played on the 360. I really enjoyed playing colors too though the voice actors were a bit wonky
***** if you liked it on the wii then you'll love it on the 360. The experience is a bit better in my opinion with more interactions
Disbounded x
It's means that it's too fast to be playable, use your head my friend
It's playable enough for me and plenty of other people. Granted, I only played the Wii version, but I've seen how fast the HD version is, and while it's much faster, at least you're running straight ahead, allowing you to see where you're going while running at high speeds unlike in a side scroller. And if the boost is too fast for you, don't boost.
whEN WILL YOU LEARN?
THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES?!!?!?
Linkfinite I was about to say that lol
Linkfinite ,#
i doubt it.
Everytime i watch a sonic video i think of sammy
I have no clue
Unleashed is released.
"No, why are there beat em up segments? Just give us boost gameplay!"
Colors is released.
"No, this is too repetitive! Give us boost gameplay and classic gameplay!"
Generations is released.
"No, the classic gameplay isn't exactly like the Genesis games! Give us slower, Adventure-sequel gameplay!"
Lost World is released.
"No, the parkour mechanics are too difficult to get used too! Give us something completely different!"
Rise of Lyric is released.
"No, you can't even go that fast! Bring back the gameplay from Generations!"
Forces is released.
"No, boost gameplay is overused and Classic Sonic still doesn't control like the Genesis games!"
Me: Well, WTF do you people want? That's why Mania is a thing, at least people won't bitch too much about that.
"NOOO!! Why more classic stages?!!! It's just a rom hack!!! Stop pandering nostalgia!!"
Aaron Kasarion exactly! For all the fans that will accept whatever we're given, there'll always be those fans that just bitch about anything Sega tries to do
This comment is 1000% accurate! You are absolutely right!
U1GX PS4 im pretty sure theres one person in the room at e3 who screamed boo at the top of there lungs when sonic mania was announced...
the legends let's plays probably an Egoraptorian, or someone who thinks that, ever since the franchise went 3D, the franchise will never have a good game ever again.
Its...hilariously disturbing how this holds up more now than it did when this video was made, especially everyone’s reactions to the sonic 2022 leaks
Frontiers
@@dreamcastshadow2970 forces model
@@kevin_kevinson placeholder image
@@HHHH_cool not yet proven
No momentum
lol, those three names are awesome
Kevin Jackson It could have been Dreamazis.
Kevin Jackson or "Adventure A**holes"
Dee ?? same
chefinabottle 15 da dreamcast should be DreamCast Dreamers
Or the *SAMMYCLASSICSONICFANS*
"The classic games are so much better"
*Sonic mania comes out*
"Omg there're nostalgia pandering stop making classic games"
+Moonlightshine 364 wow i guess you're one of them
Farrel Samuel O P I N IO N
“there’re” wow
Ultimate Sell-out Nobody's bashing Mania, people are bashing Forces because classic is ONLY there for pandering, in fact people are praising Mania
Well, when 60% of the stages are gonna be revisits of old stages, when everyone pretty much wanted an entirely new Sonic game (along with the people actually making Sonic Mania, not just directing it), yeah, it's gonna look like nostalgia pandering.
Personally, I'm fine with it because of the execution of the revisited stages and how much new they have in them. But don't blame people for being off-put by it either.
fans: we want sonic to go back to his roots
(Sonic Generations is announced)
fans: this sucks its nothing like the original give us a game without boost mechanics
(Sonic Lost World is announced)
fans: this sucks sonic can't even run that fast we want a different type of gameplay
(Sonic Boom Rise Of Lyric is announced)
fans: this sucks why can't they go back to a good gameplay style like the boost gameplay
(Sonic Forces is announced)
fans: this sucks the boost is overused and classic sonic nothing like the original
Jayjar100 Yeah our fanbase is just full of people who can't be pleased its really sad
Cameron Hons Sonic 4 wasn't bad people just hated it because it wasn't as good as the original trilogy
Jayjar100 lel
this is, acceptable.
Jayjar100 totally
This is one of those videos that will remain timeless. 5 years later and we still have to put up with the same shit. Frontiers isn't even out yet but we have hobby detectives who analyse every frame of the teaser to look for things to complain about. What other fanbase does something like that?
The Pokémon, Star Wars, Marvel and Nintendo fanbases do stuff like that too. Not defending the Sonic fandom, but it’s not something uncommon unfortunately.
@@RealHyperHedgehog yes, but sonic fanbase is the worst of them.
@@Muuhgnun I’d say they’re all equally bad.
@@RealHyperHedgehog ok
@@Muuhgnun I'd say it's a tie between Sonic and Star Wars
2:41 Sonic hits ONE car and causes a car crash from hell on that street.
TheCrazedPotato Man lol
It happens everytime, not just in this video
Makes it so much more fun.
He hit two but still lol
TheCrazedPotato Man i laughed so hard when i first played this game
*Sonic Generations releases* Fanbase: This is great!
*Lost World and Rise of Lyric* Fanbase: Noooo, give us the boost gameplay!!
*Sonic Forces Gameplay releases* Fanbase: NOBODY ASKED FOR THIS WHY IS IT ALWAYS THE SAME BOOST GAMEPLAY, TRY SOMETHING NEW SEGA!
This is soooooo annoying. I'm personally extremely excited for Sonic Forces.
Yeah, the real issue is that it's pretty much impossible to satisfy everyone in the fanbase, because what one side of the fanbase wants is the complete opposite that the other side wants.
DantheMan I know right!
Opinion changes. Remember people disliked Sonic Unleashed but they liked it years later?
Things stagnate. Stagnation is boring. How is this a surprise?
All I can hear when I see a short sighted comment like this is
"WHAT!!! After 6 years of playing the same game over and over you're sick of it?!?!"
You forget Rise of Lyric was 3 years ago and Lost World was 4. Opinions are subject to change (Also the fanbase isn't a hive mind so please stop acting like it is).
I'm glad you're excited for Forces but please be understanding when people aren't as excited as you.
I like the fact that Sonic Haters say more positive stuff about the franchise than the fans
KingofRetards12 sane sonic fans exists.
KingofRetards12 yeah, but the internet just likes showing the terrible side of everything so the rationale fans are buried under all the toxicity
Joseph Vallo 😭😭😭
No one hates Sonic more than Sonic Fans
The Thruth can not be hiden!
Sammyclassicsonicfan warned us...
*BUT WE DIDN'T LISTEN DID WE*
our fantasies can never be quenched, can they?
When will we learn that our actions have consequences.
You sonic fans only have yourselves to blame for letting him get the last laugh, that’s for all the stupid times you morons made fun of him.
you freaking fricks
SEGA: *Makes Sonic Forces*
Fanbase: Another generation copy...
SEGA: *Adds OC Creation*
Fanbase: I LOVE SONIC FORCES OMFG GAME OF THE YEAR
I'm actually pretty excited for Character Creation. :)
But I have a feeling it won't be enough for people to stop making fun of it's dj comparing it to furries and DeviantArt.
this is literally my reaction...FUCK! exposed!
MegaExo That's not how game development works...
MegaExo dude a lot of that fan base makes fun of it
Dizastermaster Thats not how the force works
Sonic Forces
His "fans" to stop complaining about everything.
Master Rosie Ba dum tsss
Just to clarify, there's a big difference between fans and fanboys.
Master Rosie Nice one mate!
Po-ké Watch have you heard of DarkSonic180?
We’re in 2020, they’re still complaining about stupid shit to this very day.
The title says it all. I'm sick of this fanbase
ordinaryowen Same, I was apart of their fanbase for a whopping 2 days before I wanted to avoid it all like the plague
Sonic fanbase need some milk.
I Live in the uk in a really rough area where sonic was deemed gonna get ur arse kicked worthy so I had to keep my sonic fandom a secret but now being out of school and able to embrace this fanbase I wish I was back to hiding in secrecy XD
Jakkuthe KoreanJesus
But wasn't the Mega Drive much more popular than the SNES than here in America? Or was that just the Master System and the NES?
The megadrive was more popular in the uk than the snes, then the playstation took over after that, I didnt even know what a N64 was untill 2010 it was that rare to comeacross around where i lived.
And the popularity doesnt really matter if im honest haha once ur in highschool people judge for everything so u gotta keep that shit secret, fun time doe.
"You can't please the Sonic fanbase" is still an accurate statement, even if you replaced "the Sonic" with "any".
Yeah
If you replaced "Sonic" with "Smash"
That would be even more accurate
Or Pokemon
or "fallout"
Or Star Wars.
Or MCU
I'm a normal guy who likes games for what they offer so i go into neither of these 3 groups.
though bullshit aside, this is hilarious.
WantedAsylum im a big sonic fan but I still like the games for what they offer and I have my likes and dislikes :P
Same
I can't believe fanbases have gotten so bad, but at least if you take away the fanbase instead of whining like QuackityHQ is doing, then it's fine.
RIP sega
WantedAsylum same
I guess you could say that the Sonic Fanbase needs to "Live and Learn" :D
EDIT: Wow, a comment that i made that's actually kinda popular? How surprising thanks! :DDDDDDDDD
Amt 35
Great now I can't get the song out of my head
I like to say to them, "Open Your Heart".
LIVE AND LEARN
Michael Jensen wowwwwwwwwwww
Ohoooooo
*obligatory comment about the never ending thirst for SA3*
They already made sonic adventure 3. They just renamed it to sonic 2006
derpywaffle 247 take it back :(
I'm just saying...
derpywaffle 247, no. The title of that game is "Sonic 06" not "Sonic Adventure 3".
Charizard314159 sonic 06 is the same shit as sonic adventure 2.
This fan base reminds me of that bratty kid not getting what they want for Christmas and being un-grateful
Mr.Lightning_Bolt 34
Nice profile pic
Jtmissile_AKA_SS870 I almost thought you were the same guy complimenting himself until I looked at your username
The sm64 community is even fucking wores
Yeah I know what you mean :]
Just watch, they’ll get 2 games that has one about classic and one about modern, and they’ll bitch that they’re both not joined together again.
you know you got a point
I like the sonic games for what they are and are all awsome...... and what sonic team makes we should appreciate the hard work and effort they put in instead of criticizing or hating a game because it isn't the way they want it
(*cough cough classic Sammy and his rant 5 years ago who is now a meme)
While I agree that we should appreciate hard work and effort, I think you should NEVER say that something isn't deserving of criticism. Everything is deserving of criticism, and nothing is immune to it. The whole point of criticisms are to give feedback on what people think is holding the game back. Of course, there is constructive criticisms, and well... not so constructive criticisms, but at the very least no matter how good a game is, constructive criticism is important. It's like with Breath of the Wild. It received a lot of praise, and many people ignored some of the issues that the game has because they love it so much. That is their opinion, but some people, like myself, hold criticisms towards the game. It doesn't mean we don't enjoy it. It just means that we do have problems with the game, because no game is perfect.
Sorry if it seems like I lost focus there.
Okagemi: The Original 1k
you know your right
Gym Leader Reggie Except Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric,that was unforgivable,at least Sonic 06 had good music. You can have your opinion on the game,and I have mine. Most people will tell you it's shit,but I know there's a 0.01 percent of the fan base that enjoys Rise of Lyric.
Gym Leader Reggie I actually never disliked a Sonic game, I appreciated them all, I even love Sonic 06 and Sonic Boom : Rise of Lyric, I dunno what people dont like in Sonic Boom, it was amazing and something different for once.
Nika Pavlić hey give my opinion back u stole it lol
You forgot a catergory: Boom Bitches
Bill Grum I'm pretty sure that's modern morons
He considers them the same, but they aren't. There's modern morons who hate the boom games, and boom bitches who hate anything that isn't boom simply because it's not boom.
Bill Grum unpopular group. (but hey, the show is awesome imo)
Bill Grum (Fire & Ice was cool too lel)
Bill Grum Shit, straight fire. 🔥🔥🔥
"WTFFF WE NEED MORE GREEN HILL ZONE"
*a game with green hill zone later*
"OMG SEGA UR OVERUSING GREEN HILL ZONE STOP IT"
Mineman Some people do, and they say that GREEN hill is being overused after it appears
Facts ^
Go away NOBODY asks for green hill
@@EE-oh7kg Everybody always complians. Mario goes the same 8 worlds in almost every game. Not one peep tho right
Go away Who ever Wanted more Green Hill??
I think the better term of "Dreamcast Douches" is "Adventure Assholes", Those who think the adventure formula is the best thing on earth, and the thing that make 06 a better entry then its following games. I fit pretty well into that category.
you really can't please this fan base of ours , I feel bad for Sega , they just got the wrong type of people to like there games
xk rulez I think you mean sonic team. it was Sega that rushed Sonic Team to complete sonic 06 just to release it once the ps3/360 release. same thing happened with rise of lyric. both games needed more time to complete but were rushed to meet deadlines that weren't thought through
Maybe Sega should stop pandering to the Sonic fanbase, and focus on this huge group of people who are fans of their other, and infinitely better franchises.
The Sonic Team made games that appeal to (strangely enough) too many different audiences. With a game like Sonic Heroes, no other game is going to compare to the sheer amount of playable, non-broken characters. Modern Sonic in general almost completely constrasts the classic games. Adventure and 06 have completely different playstyles despite being 3D.
If you like one Sonic game, there is no guarentee you'll like the next, because they are completely different.
Agreed, SEGA seems like they have such an unfair advantage because they actually try to please their fans, but they can't because their fans don't know what the hell they want; thus confusing the devs
@UCqZ0pew3ZwT8BEkD8g8dhJA your an idiot, sega should stop making shitty games
Let me tell you a little story. One day a 12 year old kid called Timmy went on RUclips and saw a video that he didn't agree with. Timmy was going to comment on how his opinion was wrong, but Timmy decided that everyone was entitled to their opinion, because Timmy was sensible. Smart move Timmy
Suicidal Gerbil But then Timmy said fuck it and told that punk his opinion was wrong
Well done, Timmy!
fat why is rohan here
But are you not holding poor timmy back now how else will the world know this one guys youtube video is WRONG you are holding back timmy's freedom of speech sir and i have told timmy that he can say whatever he desires no matter what.
m a e c r o Timmy says otherwise
I'm not here for the bad dialogue, cheap story, 1 dimensional characters, or puddle deep lore. I WANNA GO FAST AS FUCC BOI!
Stephano Lombardo I laughed way harder than I should have when I read the end
You must be a *Sanic Suckup*
dont be dissin the lore. if you take the comics in its ocean lvl deep. its just.... kinda dumb
Stephano Lombardo me too
Same boi... same....
5 years later this video still holds true
Sonic Forces character design be like: *I’M NOT SONIC, I’M MY COMPLETELY ORIGINAL CHARACTER, BLONIC!*
im sure tons of ocs were being made, handrawn, and uploaded to there "kik sonic vore roleplay" lmao
im kidding
What a beautiful Joejoke
@@hdaikamo6793 you've done another joke.
Yeeeeep
That's the re as of the game,to play your own character,of course people half to make dumb of everything.100% sure if nintendo gave mario an OC character no one will complain.
just they wait... cause they gonna be the same people praising sonic forces when it releases
Chibi lulz
yep
Chibi eh..
Chibi You see Classic sonic in Sonic Mania is a slightly off tone of blue. Sonic Mania is the worst representation of clessic sunic ever. I hate Sega.
Unfortunately, there are always gonna be fans who don't like it, which sucks. Mainly just because it's something new and original, which I'm pretty sure is what many video games follow anyway XD
Pretty much the most factual fandom video I've seen in a while. The Sonic community is literally unable to be pleased.
I've never been the type to angrily disagree with someone's opinion, since we as humans are all entitled to our own, but this community really knows just how to trigger me with theirs.
What angers me the most, is that they don't show acceptance until a title has been dropped. For example, Unleashed wasn't popularly appreciated until Colors & Generations came out. Where fans realized that the day time stages in Unleashed were much faster, and fun to play. Then fans complained about Generations, but quickly took back their complaints once Sonic Lost World came out, and couldn't wait to get the modern take back. Then Lost World was critically acclaimed, until Sonic Boom. Then the fans began accepting Lost world for what it was, just to then bash on Boom.
And now here we are, fans are going to downplay and shoehorn Forces, until the next Sonic game drops and they realize their complaints are NOT helping Sega stick to a formula, when all the fans just keep saying they're wrong.
Like what you like, that's on you. But don't hate on something you've never even tried, and worst of all, don't hate on it THEN say you love it when it's too late to get some sort of sequel. If you're going to be excessively negative, at least stick to your word.
TFF421 History repeats itself...
TFF421 you gotta decide love it or hate it
there's NO third option
TFF421 and all you've said it's 100% true
*Doesn't read through but likes and agrees anyway*
CoD fanbase is the same.
*Sonic Lost World:* "Seriously SEGA, bring back Green Hill Zone, it's better than this shit."
*Sonic Forces:* "STOP RE-USING GREEN HILL ZONE SEGA!"
FZone96 said no one ever
Green hill zone has been brought back about 8 times if you count all the fighting and racing games.
FZone96
What are you smoking? I’ve heard people bitching about green hill since Generations.
I think that's stupid lol
GREEN HILL IS THE FIRST LEVEL IN THE FIRST GAME OF COURSE THEYRE GONNA DO THE SAME FOR A GAME CELEBRATING THE FRANCHISE WHAT THE FUK YOU TALKIN BOUT-
Case in point: these fans have NO IDEA what they want! 🤣
sonic fanbase is pracitcally in 1v1v1 civil war.
chris espejo reminds me a bit of the Mystery Science Theater 3,000 fanbase with the Joel vs Mike vs Jonah nonsense. Joel, Mike and Jonah being the three hosts of the show. Joel being the shows creator and original host from the KTMA days to the first half of Season five, Mike being the former head writer and second host taking over in the second half of season five to season ten and Jonah being the third host and taking over when Joel brought the show back this year for season eleven.
DCT I don't think so, it's not quite as bad, nor have I really seen people saying "Joel and Jonah are dum!! Birng bak mike!!" Or the other way around.
chris espejo
I enjoyed every Sonic game I've ever played. Favorites being Sonic 2, SA2b and Colors. Does this mean I'm just sitting in the sidelines watching a war?
The boost mechanic in the modern games isn't even that bad. You still have to quick as fuck with the reflexs/memory of the layout of the level to get a good time on the zones. The side stepping and drifting mechanics are nice additions as well.
That's what Yuji Naka's intentions were before he made Sonic 1. As playing Super Mario Bros. 1-1, he was inspired that if you memorize the level's layout better, you get faster and faster, which is why Sonic games were made like that in the first place.
7 years later and this video still holds true
This video just ages like fine wine I swear
Facts
Nope
This video was created as a defence of Forces which turned out to be an awful game as we expected, it’s aged terribly
@@manimanistatue It'd dated in that aspect but the core message of you can't please every sonic fan is true.
you are like the only decent person I've met who can like a Sonic game.
arica vasquez I like every sonic game yes sonic boom and 06
@@MrAoKamo Same!
Same here
@Radicola ! boom was more worse sonic boom is shit
What about Somecallmejohnny?
The Sonic Fanbase is bad, but not as bad as the "Sonic Hate Bandwagon" though. Nice video, by the way.
Agreed
I think every Sonic game was good... Except Sonic 06 and Sonic Boom. Sonic 06 was, however, fun because of how broken it was, but Sonic Boom was just boring. Simply my opinion.
Daniel E. Melendez - Cruz Same Here, I am a fan too other than 06 & Boom and I respect the series nonetheless. You and I are good fans, the targeted part though are the bad fans which makes some believe that every sonic fan is an overly critical brat and I agree it ruins the fun of the games
I'm probably going to receive some backlash for saying this. But 06 is my favorite Sonic Game that I've played. Now I've played every Sonic game from 1-Gens a lot through the Mega Collection, a lot through out owning copies. I can firmly say 06 is my favorite Sonic Game because it was the 2nd Sonic Game I've ever played my first being heroes (Gamecube version) back in 04 when I was 4. I do acknowledge the glitches and bad things about 06 but to me that game is beyond fun and I've even taken the time out of my Life to S rank everything in the game.
NoLimit Jordan I respect your opinion. I still think it sucked but if you like it that's fine. Like the Video said, your opinion's not wrong, it's unpopular but if you like it, that's ok
Sonic 2006 was good but I respect your opinion. Sonic boom is a bit boring
Sonic 2006 was the first sonic game I played! Then later I played the genesis games.
Me:
33% Classic
33% Dreamcast
34% Modern
I personally love ❤️ the Boost Formula
Me:
20% Modern
30% Classic
50% Dreamcast
Me:
10% Classic
40% Modern
50% Dreamcast
Me:
Modern: 80%
Classic: 10%
Dreamcast: 10%
Modern 60%
Classic 40%
Dreamcast 50%
Tbh, ALL of them are 100% for me!
Classic is Old, Retro and Fantastic!
Dreamcast is fantastic with lot's of cool moves!
Morden (I grew up with) is satisfying, Fast and the graphics are beautiful!
I agree whole heartily. It's baffling why people like this are still IN the fandom since they're disappointed with every game.
So you want people to *cough* Open Their Hearts?
I'm sure that it's gonna be alright.
Samuel Schilmeister They need to live and learn.
Twanonite D'Coolette What ever happened to hanging on the edge of tomorrow?
That's why It has come to this
You win the Internet
This is a 6 (getting ready to be 7) year old video and it STILL relevant.
It’s a boutta be 2025 and you guessed it, it’s STILL relevant
SAMMY WARNED US
And not one god damn sonic fan listened.
Sammy was simply autistic like Christian Weston Chandler
You sonic fans only have yourselves to blame for making him get the last laugh, that’s on everyone who made look fucking stupid back then.
Almost like cybershell
Wow I’m surprised he was right
I love all styles of sonic games, classics, moderns, adventure, advance, even the fighting ones, but man, this video represent every single thing, sonic fanbase will always find a little thing to complain, or because they're fanboys, or because they want to feel different from other people
Same with STAR WARS fanboys with the prequels
Sonic fans are the worst. They say they want the classics back so Sega makes sonic generations and they still nitpick. Then Sega releases Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric and they say they want classic sonic back so this year they are making Sonic Mania and Sonic Forces and now they're saying there is too much classic sonic. Idiots.
Griffer Doodle its not the fans in general that are the problem. the ones that criticize the games are the issue.
Griffer Doodle the only true bad thing about generations was planet wisp's 10 minute platformer lol
I personally don't hate any of the gameplay styles. My least favorite is just Dreamcast and GameCube games. I like all of the styles.
Griffer Doodle i just hate sonic in all
When fans says they want the classics back they meant something like Sonic Mania but maybe with a more... Retro visuals ? I dunno yeah you are right with the fans beeing picky. I am not a big fan of the modern era Sonic. I stopped at Heroes and I kind of bug to the flaws of the recent games because I cherish a lot of my Childhood and most videogames. It's my nostalgia and my love for the videogames I used to grow with that may alter my judgement, but I enjoy the Gameplay and visuals of Sonic Forces. And I might come back to the serie since both Mania and Forces will be on the Switch. Well at least Mania.
Fucking ironic how history repeats itself.
Hahahaha oh how ironic fate can be
fr
First Star wars fans with the prequels and now Sonic
you forgot number 4: Sonic Haters
Sonic Skeptickers.
They consider it “cool” To bash on sonic. I didn’t know the Mario fanbase had such Salty people
Eggzion The egg I think sonic is shit and I don't play Mario games
Dario Snead well there are haters for everything you can't just not like some one for not liking sonic
Dario Snead Sammy Classic Sonic Fan flashbacks
Why am I watching this,I don't even play Sonic
JoJo was a mistake Say that you complain about the franchise even though you never played any of the games and that's basically sonic haters.
imadethistocomment 22 I don't hate the game just the toxic side of the fanbase
JoJo was a mistake Same. I never meant to accuse you, I was just saying that that's pretty much how all of the sonic haters are.
And yeah, the non-toxic side is actually pretty cool, I've actually met some pretty nice fans.
imadethistocomment 22 oh ok,but you do have a point
The non toxic fans are good people
JoJo was a mistake Yeah, it's kind of sad really. There is a good and bad part of this fandom, but the latter part usually gets the most attention, which in turn causes people to think the ENTIRE fandom is that way.
It's like food. You never know if you like it, until you try it!
it's a miracle, i just have a though to come here just to say that, and here's your comment speaking what i'm about to say, after playing new sonic games, i don't hate sonic or sega, that was just my hunger speaking, all y'all can forget what I've said earlier. bye bye.
funny how you hear more people complain about the fanbase than the games
rea1ricky But its true
~Silver the hedgehog 2006
rea1ricky only when you scroll down even deeper in the comments
As much as I'm disappointed with Lost World, I think the people who shit on Unleashed are worse.
AngelAnimeGod I don't understand why people are so unhappy with changes in the franchise, especially like the game play used in Sonic Unleashed.
Sonic Unleashed just took speed and brawling to a whole new level with the day and night stages for each place.
You play as Sonic in hedgehog form, you go fast. You play as Sonic in werehog form, you kick a lot of butt, and have cool abilities that make up for the loss of speed.
@Raspberry I hated it manly due to the speed stages wanting you to stop and collect stuff (impossible as they're way to fast) and the quicktime bosses. Plus, I could only play it on an XBox at the time, which combine a controller I'm not used to with the quicktime boss... Very flawed game. ...oh, and the werehog stages weren't the worst thing in he world (coming from a DMC and GoW fan) just not all that fun.
HEY! You leave the dreamcasters alone! They have sonic shuffle. Objectively the best sonic game ever
Apparently, the game Shadow The Hedgehog marks the end of the Dreamcast era, so the Dreamcasters have Shadow The Hedgehog too.
Exactly. They're all just jealous that the dreamcasters have quality titles to their era's name.
Apple Slipper Doesn't the Adventure era have 06 too due to the fact that it plays and uses common conventions only found in adventure titles? It always bothered me how it is grouped with the Modern Sonic games even though it's clearly an adventure game.
sonic fans aren't sonic fans enymore 😟
goblin shack They Are Sonic "Fans"
Absol-bloody-utely true! If they are "Sonic Fans," THEN WHY DO THEY PRESSURE SEGA AND NEGETIVELY CRITICIZE THEM *JUST* BECAUSE THEIR GAMES DON'T MEET THEIR QUALIFYING STANDARDS!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Hard to be when game after game is trash.
goblin shack they’re hell.
This video still holds up to this day
This is the thing tho, Sega is trying their hardest to make games the sonic fan base would like but it's probably impossible considering no one wants to give real feedback about the game, instead they just call it trash. Just imagine, you made a game and people just keep saying it's trash but no one is giving opinions on how to make the game better or recommending stuff to do/add, how are you going to be able to make the game better if you have no clue what anyone wants?
That Blasian YOU ARE RIGHT LAD
RUclips in a nutshell! I made animations, and everyone said they were trash, but when i asked what was wrong no-one said anything..
Lost World was a full 3D game.
WakkaSeta lost world is a wii u game
That doesnt count
Tony Richards Yes, it does. It's a 3D Sonic game, therefore it does count
If I had to separate into one of those 3 categories.. personally..
I prefer the air.
1cedSprite hey Einstein I'm on your side
Fu*k the landmaster.
Bahahaha
Summons landmaster and kills all Sonic toxic fans. Then everyone is happy with their games and Sega keeps making money and more games. The end (in a perfect world).
You know what I want?
Nothing.I am completely fine with Classic and Modern.
Sonic fans is just ungrateful these days.
Trollface Tamer Trollface same. i dont care what gameplay are they gonna chose or what kind of story they'll slap on it. the only thing that matters to me is PLAYABILITY. as long as the new sonic game is PLAYABLE AND POLISHED, i would buy it.
Trollface Tamer Trollface You know what I want? A Good story with good gameplay. That's all I want.
Sonic Forces has the good gameplay which is fine by me. But the question is....
Will they still keep the story like Colors and Generations? Or just like how they handled the storylines before 2010?
Aaron Kasarion some random guy said that there will be a new writer for the game (i hope its not like pontac and graff) and sadly whoever is the director is still the same
RalphJeremy 65 I heard that Shun Nakamura (Director of Sonic 06) is involved in the game as a producer (which explains the Whole City's on fire lol)
But seriously, I just hope that they get better writers. I seriously hate the puns or no good storyline from Colors
Thank god I thought I was the only one that was okay the way the games are
As a huge Sonic fan, there’s no other community that’s been as toxic as the Sonic community. So many fanboys are NEVER happy. A lot of them go on EVERY vs video of a Sonic character losing a vs battle and make emotional paragraph essays on why their fav character should win. Then when others with knowledge of other universe cosmologies debunk their argument, the fanboys CONSTANTLY move the goalpost and make a strawman counterpoint. You can’t have a reasonable conversation with them at all.
Steven universe fandom worse
@@thelogicsonic5980 Agree
Ironic how this gets recomemended to me the same day the Frontiers gameplay dropped
I'm just a regular sonic fan and I'm not one of those people who are very stupid with thier ridiculous opinions on the designs or game play! I love Sonic (the third one in 1993) Sonic Heroes, SONIC generations and sonic riders. Sonic is just sonic. case closed.
Crazy Caryn exactly! I LOVE Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic 2, and Sonic Generations!! (I want Sonic Mania too) I'm just your average Sonic fan.
Sonikid Gaming Same here boys
The 1993 one was Sonic CD
Having subjectively ridiculous opinions makes you stupid apparently. What a moron.
Sonikid Gaming Holy crap, I have the exact same list in terms of the Sonic games I love the most, and also want to get Mania.
It's totally not related, but it's amazing how after 5 laters, Pokemon fans are now worse than Sonic fans. Especially when the Sonic movie came out, and Sword and Shield came out...
Sonic 2006 and Pokemon Sword/Shield: the two games that forever altered both fanbases.
@@custom-r Sonic Unleashed and Pokémon Legends Arceus: The two games that saved the franchise, but were hated by nostalgia blind fanboys of specific eras.
I think Sonic Frontiers looks amazing I dont know why everyone's complaining and giving it shit when it hasn't even came out yet. This fanbase is pathetic
Ong, they acting like the gameplay showcase was meant to show the whole game.
Even when it was clearly just a physics showcase to let us see the graphics and how Sonic moves and shit.
@@midnight_horizen8184 exactly but they still aren't satisfied smh there like "give me more" instead of going "oh wow this game looks incredible, cant wait for it to come out" and the sad part is it's the grown adult male fans in there 30s and 40s doing most of the complaining and not the kid fans it's sad really
Same, I love the new game they are making. Yes, I know it needs some time to be fully complete but I'm ok with waiting a year or longer for it to be amazing. That being said, I like how it looks and I feel like it's great to see an open-world sonic game with different things going on.
@@kingkrysen
14 year old here (not even that much of a "fan" i've played like 2 modern games i think, so don't take anything i say for granted)
The problem that i have with frontiers is that it looks stiff AF. I don't really care if there isn't much animation or the ambientation doesn't feel very "sonic-y", if the gameplay is fun we can overlook that; the problem is that the game doesn't look that fun, just the physics and action look very robotic and boring, and the biggest part of the franchise, momentum, is barely there. This might sound like a nitpick but sonic is 50% based around how the action and physics work: take that away and you get 50% of the experience, wich is things like the look and level design, and without the "fun" those parts don't get overlooked, they get noticed.
Sorry for the long rant
the funny thing is that as of writing this comment everyone now loves frontiers
This video needs to play before every sonic game starts up.
Sonic fans are worse than the melee fanboys.
LongerThanLyfe That's nothing to the Undertale fan base. Don't get me wrong, I kinda like Undertale, but it's fandom don't compare to Sonic's.
+DisMaskDude37 *cough cough FNAF cough cough*
Tell me a GOOD reason why they're fanbase is worse. *ahem* A GOOD reason. If you are just gonna say it's porn, contains children 10-, and has bitchy assholes. The FNaF fanbase is just your typical cancer fanbase. It's my 3rd most hated fanbase actually! There are much worse ones. And Undertale is one of them. Don't believe me? Just ask me!
Good point. I like all 3. But I hate the fanbases of all of them.
Finally, a person who agrees with me.
to save Sonic all they have to do is bring back Chao Garden honestly
honestly i dont think that the chao garden was useful it was just a waste of code but that's just my opinion
UNPOPULAR OPINION
Never thought of it that way. I never really messed with it, but imagine if they put it in Forces and gave the race mode locations from past games. Now imagine if some locations were unlockable through the main game.
My hopes are way too high now.
Can someone explain to me why everyone liked the chao gardens?
DefiniteDemise so if you want the Chao Garden back is that makes you a Chao Garden Garbage? :D
u can't call a sonic fan a sonic fan if they hate the games
UnderGamer exactly my point.
You don't have to like every game to be a fan
Sorachi the Eggo fuck you complainer
I mean, there can be a game you don't care for. Like with Mario, you could hate Mario 2 or Mario teaches typing and still be a Nintendo fan. Same here.
lol I'm not the one complaining?
I do agree that there are people who are pretty ignorant when it comes to playing Sonic games, however part of this divided fanbase problem is because of Sega.
Sonic has gone through so many changes and iterations that it's impossible to defy what the Sonic brand is. Is he a physics based platformer that allows for exploration and speed? Or is he a linear on the rails runner? Or is he just one small character is a series of 20 other characters to play as? I'm not saying it's bad for a video game series to change (look at Breath of the Wild), but when the changes are this drastic and this fast, it's no wonder why everyone is pitted against each other.
thing about breathe of the wild was that was a change in a more "gameplay" oriented direction, sonic games keep focusing on spectacle and the nebulous concept of fast with each game OVER gameplay.
The thing on Segas end though, they didn’t expect the fanbase to be so divided on key points of the series.
2D V.S. 3D: Sonic had to transition to 3D at some point.
The Boost Formula: After 06’s failure, which was Segas fault for rushing Sonic Team, they needed to do something different and it turned out to be popular. It explains why they went back to it for Forces after Lost World.
I’m still split between another Boost and another Adventure styled game honestly. But they both sound risky.
THANK
Agreed. Ever since Generations ended, it seems more like SEGA is experimenting with what works for Sonic with a bunch of drastic changes to game design, but not getting any useful results due to the split fanbase.
robotspgc And in the end it just makes everyone even more separated.
Is nobody going to mention this guy is incredibly skilled at Sonic games?!
Rosalina Knows Best ive seen better
Compared to me...yea.
He's good compared to me.
The only way to please them if you give them sonic adventure 3
Daishawn Greene Uh no this is what's gonna happen if they do that.
Sonic Fan Dumb: Wat teh hell sega we didn't wat tis!?!! we wanted another rivals game!!?!?
Sonic 06 was something like „sonic adventure 3“ if you look at the gameplay (and i dont mean the glitches) 06 had.
Even then that would not satisfy everyone
@@xdarkfusionn yeah
Sonic 06 was supposed to be a spiritual sucessor to the Adventure series.
Im a sonic fan and pretty much every sonic game sega makes I love it
sega* xd
Thanks for pointing that out I did not see that.
King Sryup np
Samza cool
Same
my favorit sonic game is unleashed
Veker Venist at least its not 06
Veker Venist Unleashed is great
06 is fun in a "So bad it's good" Kind of way
I think im one of the biggest fans of unleashed, is that a bad or a good thing?
Its a good thing.
Sonic Fandom: Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Mine…
Sega and Sonic Team: WOULD YOU JUST SHUT UP?! You’re rats with wings!
I love how RUclips recommends me this after the Sonic Frontier gameplay video. While some,including me, are excited for it, some already say it will be shit, even though the game isn't even released
Fans: we want to make our characters
Sega: sonic forces
Fans: NO THIS MAKES US MAKE A CHARACTER
a guy who has a serious problem with memes
ITS NO USE
It’s incredible how this video remains relevant
I honestly will never understand how sonic 06 is suddenly considered a good game, im not saying people can’t like it, but people give it WAYYYY too much credit than it’s actually worth
The game is still a mess when it comes to gameplay and the story COULD’VE worked but it just didn’t, the most I can give it credit for is having a good portrayal for shadow, voice acting and music (duh)
Probably because of Project 06. ChaosX2006 is taking Sonic 06 and removing all the glitches and improving characters and adding back in scrapped features like the Rainbow Gem, (Lets you become Super Sonic in any level after getting all S Ranks!) and even adding in new features like Shadow’s Uninhibited Mode from the cutscene with the Mephiles Clones as an unlockable after getting all S Ranks as Shadow, and for Silver, a upgrade to let you jump into a ball ESP Blast upgrade after getting all S Ranks as Silver. Every character is a lot better and more fun to play. Even Ames. Everyone hated Ames’s Gamplay but now due to Project 06……. They want her more! 🙂😁😊☺️💖
06 gets more credit nowadays probably because P06 shows the potential it could have had
@@stoopid69421Yes but we have to judge a piece of media on what it IS and not what it COULD have been. Using that same logic, Sonic Forces and Sonic Boom are 2 of the best games in the franchise because of how well they COULD’VE turned out as opposed to what we actually got. P-06 doesn’t change the fact that retail 06 was a buggy mess that was rushed out the door due to SegaSammy’s poor management.
@@ToonyTalesX i agree with you, im just saying thats the primary reason why more people say that 06 is good recently
@@ToonyTalesXthis is what I’ve been thinking, yes I love P-06 but it still doesn’t change that the final version of 06 was a mess, P-06 is what it could’ve been had it not been rushed
I feel both proud and guilty of being a Sonic fan. What can I do to enjoy the games without feeling guilty? Thank you so much for the video 💙
Best advice I can give, just play the games and ignore the fandom itself. As someone who grew up with sonic as well I still love the franchise but I will not associate myself with the fandom and it's not just sonic I'm like that with.
@@saiprimal98 thx u 💙
@@CartoonLowStudios no problem, any time.
There is no sonic fanbase, there’s just sadness.
I love sonic in general I love all styles
And unleashed it was fun
I like all sonic games, what category does that make me
A perfectly normal fan! Count me in!
A non-toxic fan. Congratulations. You can consider yourself "normal".
I'm a sonic fan who enjoys classic and moder, but also who's dying to play some of the Dreamcast sonic games
Walter Lormestoire casual crusader
He is not a "sonic fan" he is like "The black diamond of sonic fans"
I'm not even a sonic fan and I find this interesting for some reason
I'm warning you. Do NOT venture farther into Sonic's Fan reputation.
I ventured far into that reputation, *and boi, I was punished for it, badly.*
i'm so glad i joined the Sonic fandom. it feels so good and it's hilarious. i can simply draw one of my favorite characters, post it on DeviantArt, and i'm part of a meme!
2:34 divided fan base or not, all sonic fans love the music. Even sonic 06 music is good
Brinley 04 And agree Sonic Boom's was "eh" to GODAWFUL
Brinley 04 i have a mix of sonic tracks
Except for Sonic Chronicles soundtrack.
That game's soundtrack was god dang awful. xD
Fizzy Note so were the sound effects.
4 years later and this video still holds up and I agree with it's statements. Great work 👍😉
@Choua Lor oh absolutely 😊
Omg, i only notice this video is 5 years old because of your comment lol
I'm pleased with Sonic Mania.
umm... aren't everyone?
Farrel Samuel Isn’t* and not everyone can be pleased with a game, especially this fanbase.
Thank you! I've been saying this for a long time now. It's THOSE kinds of Sonic fans that give the fanbase a bad name, and why Sonic is in such a bad position.
i play sonic because i like sonic and no matter what great or terrible game comes from sega i will still play and attempt to enjoy the games released not everything will please everyone and the sooner we realize this the better
I support this comment.
8th Note Facts
No One Hates Sonic More Than Sonic Fans
Like how no one hates Greg Heffley more than the Diary of a Wimpy Kid "fans".
@@bakedbeans5494 Or how no one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars "fans".
@@KarenMyComputerWife Agreed.
And the critics
Why does everyone parrot this sentiment? People who are fans of a series get more emotional that people who aren’t? Damn, who coulda guessed
YOUR FANTASIES WILL NEVER BE QUENCHED
*WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES*
IVE HAD IT WITH ALL OF YOU FRICKIN TROLLS
And the cycle keeps repeating with no end in sight...
‘...as a sonic fan or a beat-em-up fan...’
Or both.
Here after Forces, Frontiers, Superstars, and nearing Shadow Generations. I agree with everything said here. While it's not nearly as present as it once was since Shadow Generations has everyone not only hyped but happier, there are definitely people complaining.
True, there is not much complains nowadays but the main complains are againts Ian Flynn, the guy everyone wishes could writte for the games back then, now we have and some ppl still complain lmao
@@bluedealerLike, people are riding his ass just because he turned Amy from an overly obsessed stalker to someone who can genuinely work as Sonic’s love interest💀
"nO wE wAnT cLaSsIc"
"You brought classic back, tHaT's LaZy"
Difference between us and Mario fans, Mario fans are always happy with what they get
No, they are not. Fans will explode over Mario Party 9 and 10 any day of the week and beat the dead horse that is Sticker Star. And I don't think they were ever happy with the Mario and Sonic games, especially since that series got confirmed to be canceled.
Still easier to please
Well, that won't stop Sonic Team from trying. And that's the problem, they made so many projects in which they were going for something new and then injected some elements solely for the purpose of pleasing fans that 30 years later the fanbase is this schizophrenic entity that can't agree on a single game being universally good. A single one.
At this point they should just do whatever.
This is true, and I have a little story of mine to confirm this
I use to not like Sonic 06 because I looked at other people's opinions, so I based mine off of there, however one Christmas I opened a present that looked like a game case, now for Christmas I asked for Sonic Adventure, but when I opened it, it was Sonic 06, now I didn't say anything negative to my parent because they got me the wrong game, instead I say "yay" I decided to play it, but as to my surprise it was actually really fun, yeah sure its more broken than this fan base, but I enjoyed it, it might even be my favourite Sonic game.
So yeah, try it before you say its garbage like the millions of "original characters", and don't base your opinions on others, form your own.
Glad to see people sticking up for Unleashed, easily one of my favorite favorite Sonic games.
I love almost every single Sonic game exept for Sonic and the secret rings
DJ Troupe
Same.
Came back here today because of the sonic frontiers reveal, ppl will complain about anything
They will omg I think the games looks amazing lmao 🤣
"uuugh this game sucks they should take a few years to develop the game and not rush it"
"Uuuuugh the next game is taking too long, they should release sonic games each year"
"uuuuugh they should work faster so we can play the game, developing a game should not be taking too long"
I agree with everything you said man. People like to hold on to what their used to instead of being open to other gameplay styles.
But the worst part is, as you said, that these people that aren't open to these other gameplay styles instantly paint it off as being inferior or just plain bad to what they are used to, without having ever really been open to it.
In the end, I get why people might think this way, but don't spread your blind uneducated hatred on another gameplay style when you haven't ever even given it a real chance.
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