Will it drop the prices of 86’s? Yes, back to what they are actually worth. People were asking ridiculous prices for rusted out shells, and that needs to stop. Same goes for all cars.
It won't stop because the supply is much lower than the demand. If there is a high demand for a low supply of anything, ofc the sellers will ask crazy money which the most craziest buyers will pay. But with this remanufactured shells, the price will def go down.
This is the type of thing I want to see tbh. A brand new old car, like imagine a brand new e30. No garbage screens, no fancy features that'll break, and since its such a simple design should also be affordable.
People will start using repros in motorsport events which will make the ae86 regain popularity on track days etc :) Making the demand for a street legal ae86 going up. Imo
You can build and register a car from scratch including the chassis you just build under ICV (individual constructed vehicle) and have a engineer sign off on it . They will do torsion tests etc
There would probably need to be hundreds of replica 86's for the price of an actual 86 to drop. On top of the shell, it'd take another $10k to get it driveable. It is a cool idea though and km intrigued to see how it pans out
This in my opinion is the future of the Car Enthusiast market. Similar to how many American Car Manufacters are selling licenses to companies to remanufactured thier most desired classic muscle cars. We will start to see Japanese manufactures sell licenses to companies to remanufacture thier most desired Japanese Sports Cars. Like the Nissan S-Chassis, Skyline GT-Rs, Toyota Supra, MR2s, Honda Civics, Integra Type R, Maza RX-7, etc. Let's hope European makes also start doing that, would be cool to also get shells for the E30 M3 & 190E EVO 2.
I believe it can be done in WA through an engineer and DOT with an Individually Constructed Vehicle permit, but it needs a "major component... manufactured by a distinctly different manufacturer than the majority of the other components".
People who have never restored cars before, having parts availability doesn't not mean it changes the price of a car. If anything it would mean that they will increase in cost. Replacement chassis and body panels don't mean a car gets cheaper. Look at muscle car or Beetle car restoration you can get newly manufactured body panels and chassis from factories in SA,EU, & Taiwan. Once you use modern metal components the price of your builds go up cause it's a sign of a proper restoration and the price of your build grows with it. It's different from performance parts. Putting money into a engine or suspension is sunk cost but body restoration is actually value gained.
you can def have a chassis built from scratch, get it engineered and registered, a mate is doing it atm in vic. also it is possible to ask to buy a "sample" from chinese manufacturers which can be 1 unit
prices won't drop because in many places, you can't just register a shell and drive it around town. if anything this has solidified the price of a REAL ae86 and replicas will forever be cheaper. exactly what you're saying, these shells are perfect for track car, or if somebody who already has a built track car ends up wrecking their track car.
You only need to look at the cobras, mustangs, escorts ect to see that you’re 100% right I’m just not looking forward to the impending rebirthing of these cars. People are really gonna need to be switched on when buying a genuine ae86 in the near future
I'm not sure anything will happen because it will need to be 25 years old before it can be imported and registered, and because it is "new", it must meet new car emissions requirements, which may not happen, at least in the USA.
My friend owns 4 AE86s. 2 street cars and 2 race cars. I prefer mid engine so I have 2 MR2s instead. More parts availability is usually a good thing unless its junk.
I agree, someone did mention in another comment that because of these shells other parts such as the interior will be more sort after and be more expensive now. We just need someone to reproduce all the other bits
With the case of hot-rods, at least in SA you can absolutely build chassis from scratch and get the car registered -- Pre 1949, or a design of a car from before 1949 are under completely different rules from 1950-1969 and 1969 to ADR onward. You can register a 1932 ford even if 100% new parts if the chassis is designed like the originals and passes engineering checks. Hopefully in the future similar laws can apply to say pre 1985 cars as a monocoque design if they reach or surpass the quality of the originals, bit of a stretch tho asking the government to make laws regarding cars any easier, especially when safety's involved.
If we start seeing them in Australia I think it will push up the cost of parts as people start to hunt for parts to fill the shells. Maybe the cost of super rough shells will come down. Matching number cars will keeps going up. If you started with a new shell I doubt you could complete a car for less than 50k Aud. Maybe a little less if it remains a totally stripped out race car.
Your idea of the parts going up is a great point but I think I'm gonna have to disagree with the idea of rusted out shells going down in value only because there is now an easy way to fix them
There’s actually merit to getting a path way to re-bodying a structurally compromised old body and its plates to rebody for safety and to then prevent the illegal rebirth types Just a thought bubble I would also think the ICV pathway might be available to these ? Cheers
That's interesting, considering most ae86 on the road today are on club rego. Is there a difference between historical and club rego or is it the same thing?
@@NEVER-LIFTin NSW club rego involves being a financial member of approved car club and you can register either historic rego or classic rego. I've have a HR-31 Skyline on classic rego.
The Idea is great but the price point is wrong for from where it is coming, for what it is, 40+ year old technology. For $10k they should be delivering the whole functioning car with a vin at its highest trim level including suspension, powertrain, AC, and with the modern technology automation being we have now that should be no issue. The raw shell is worth maybe $3k-$3.5k to the market less than half what their advertising.😮 Production costs are very much a hidden secret for the industry. If you saw those numbers you’d fall over wondering what Ponzi scheme all the automotive manufacturers are pulling on its customers. This could easily be the poor man’s cobra kit car that most people could afford. That and there are many more platforms I foresee this coming. Maybe this will open the market.
The guy is wrong for other markets kit cars have their own applications for vins in other counties. In the US and Canada you can build your own creations and apply for a vin that is not held to the same safety standards as modern manufactures.
I could pay 3k right now if that was the price but at 10k I’m gonna sit on the sidelines for a little while I think they know people will pay the money so why not charge more, besides the cost of a reproduction part is cheap once a company is set up but the cost of the tooling is where the value is.
@@NEVER-LIFT I couldn’t persay afford $3k personally but I’d manage to find a way for it to happen yesterday for $3k price. $10k, for a Toyota Corolla shell from the 80s, not happening for an old Toyota. In all honesty I’d like to see the Z cars or Datsun bluebird shells , or 70’s Celica shells or Supra shells.
This mate is smart shells with vins are cheaper then 10k and not to mention you can’t just buy one I think minimum order is 5 shells who’s forking out 50k with out the intention of flipping them
@@Idkspdy How much you wanna bet that we could do this with a from a manufacture from India or Mexico? With a vin and a much more reasonable price tag.
I think everyone is "jumping the gun" here, 1st of all...has anyone bought a shell alreeady? The quality and dimensions look great in pictures, but has anyone seen the product up front in their face and gripped it with their own hands yet? Lol
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Will it drop the prices of 86’s? Yes, back to what they are actually worth. People were asking ridiculous prices for rusted out shells, and that needs to stop. Same goes for all cars.
It won't stop because the supply is much lower than the demand. If there is a high demand for a low supply of anything, ofc the sellers will ask crazy money which the most craziest buyers will pay. But with this remanufactured shells, the price will def go down.
I don’t see the ridiculous prices stopping unfortunately
There not going from 30 to 300 bucks it gonna be 30 to 10 for one in decent shape
Increased demand on parts is going to jack up the prices 2fold. These cars haven't been and never will be what they're "worth" ever since 2006
don't think so, price of the ae86 shell is insanely.high😂
I hope they drop the prices. I want to be able to afford an AE86 one day.
I Hope so too, I could always use more 86's
This is the type of thing I want to see tbh.
A brand new old car, like imagine a brand new e30. No garbage screens, no fancy features that'll break, and since its such a simple design should also be affordable.
Not to mention if you build it simple, you can fix it yourself when something goes wrong
@@NEVER-LIFT if i could build a car from ground-up, without it costing an arm and a leg, with all new parts, that is the world i want to live in lol
People will start using repros in motorsport events which will make the ae86 regain popularity on track days etc :) Making the demand for a street legal ae86 going up. Imo
They will probably drop the price of the chassis, but i think itll skyrocket the price of the parts
Very good point, parts are already crazy. Hopefully other companies see that and start reproducing interior bits too
@@NEVER-LIFT man that would be super nice. Id argue that would sell even more than the actual chassis
You can build and register a car from scratch including the chassis you just build under ICV (individual constructed vehicle) and have a engineer sign off on it . They will do torsion tests etc
Oh cool, thanks for clearing that up. I remember looking at the SL-C Kit Cars that are able to be registered and wondering how they do it
There would probably need to be hundreds of replica 86's for the price of an actual 86 to drop. On top of the shell, it'd take another $10k to get it driveable.
It is a cool idea though and km intrigued to see how it pans out
I think its a good thing as long as the quality is there
This in my opinion is the future of the Car Enthusiast market. Similar to how many American Car Manufacters are selling licenses to companies to remanufactured thier most desired classic muscle cars. We will start to see Japanese manufactures sell licenses to companies to remanufacture thier most desired Japanese Sports Cars. Like the Nissan S-Chassis, Skyline GT-Rs, Toyota Supra, MR2s, Honda Civics, Integra Type R, Maza RX-7, etc. Let's hope European makes also start doing that, would be cool to also get shells for the E30 M3 & 190E EVO 2.
I’d rather drive a reproduction old car over the new cars on the market today
Hopefully that is the way of the future because I’d be much happier
I like the format of these chats 💬 keep it up
Will do👍
I believe it can be done in WA through an engineer and DOT with an Individually Constructed Vehicle permit, but it needs a "major component... manufactured by a
distinctly different manufacturer than the majority of the other components".
Interesting, I wonder if it’s an exact replica of the original maybe engineering/ rego could be easier
People who have never restored cars before, having parts availability doesn't not mean it changes the price of a car. If anything it would mean that they will increase in cost. Replacement chassis and body panels don't mean a car gets cheaper. Look at muscle car or Beetle car restoration you can get newly manufactured body panels and chassis from factories in SA,EU, & Taiwan. Once you use modern metal components the price of your builds go up cause it's a sign of a proper restoration and the price of your build grows with it. It's different from performance parts. Putting money into a engine or suspension is sunk cost but body restoration is actually value gained.
I heard the same group is making s30z shells. I find that more appealing then the AE85/86 shells
Going off of the fact that they’re so experienced hopefully the quality of their products is high
you can def have a chassis built from scratch, get it engineered and registered, a mate is doing it atm in vic. also it is possible to ask to buy a "sample" from chinese manufacturers which can be 1 unit
Do you have any idea what it’ll cost your mate to get his car on the road?
@@NEVER-LIFT I'll ask him what the chassis will cost all up and let you know
prices won't drop because in many places, you can't just register a shell and drive it around town. if anything this has solidified the price of a REAL ae86 and replicas will forever be cheaper. exactly what you're saying, these shells are perfect for track car, or if somebody who already has a built track car ends up wrecking their track car.
You only need to look at the cobras, mustangs, escorts ect to see that you’re 100% right
I’m just not looking forward to the impending rebirthing of these cars.
People are really gonna need to be switched on when buying a genuine ae86 in the near future
a 1971 240z shell would sell like hot cakes...
Can they fall under the same category as an important car. And old cars have caricature and sole.
I'm not sure anything will happen because it will need to be 25 years old before it can be imported and registered, and because it is "new", it must meet new car emissions requirements, which may not happen, at least in the USA.
Not sure the 25 year rule applies with kit cars. I could be wrong though
Should you put together an AE86 racing team?
Its just a matter of time
My friend owns 4 AE86s. 2 street cars and 2 race cars.
I prefer mid engine so I have 2 MR2s instead. More parts availability is usually a good thing unless its junk.
I agree, someone did mention in another comment that because of these shells other parts such as the interior will be more sort after and be more expensive now.
We just need someone to reproduce all the other bits
@@NEVER-LIFTYes, hopefully this will stir the market and encourage others to come in and make everything else. I refuse to buy a newer car.
Sometimes I look how easy the interior would be to make and I wonder why someone hasn't yet. It's cardboard and vinyl the world around lol
@@ryandull6581 lol very true
With the case of hot-rods, at least in SA you can absolutely build chassis from scratch and get the car registered -- Pre 1949, or a design of a car from before 1949 are under completely different rules from 1950-1969 and 1969 to ADR onward. You can register a 1932 ford even if 100% new parts if the chassis is designed like the originals and passes engineering checks. Hopefully in the future similar laws can apply to say pre 1985 cars as a monocoque design if they reach or surpass the quality of the originals, bit of a stretch tho asking the government to make laws regarding cars any easier, especially when safety's involved.
If we start seeing them in Australia I think it will push up the cost of parts as people start to hunt for parts to fill the shells. Maybe the cost of super rough shells will come down. Matching number cars will keeps going up. If you started with a
new shell I doubt you could complete a car for less than 50k Aud. Maybe a little less if it remains a totally stripped out race car.
Your idea of the parts going up is a great point but I think I'm gonna have to disagree with the idea of rusted out shells going down in value only because there is now an easy way to fix them
If anything the rusted shells price will go up because now you can just swap the identity to the new shell and have a 'legal' clean shell
I’ve always wondered why bmw and such dont start to remake the old cars. Like the e36. Or rx7 or nsx. Late 90s models.
There’s actually merit to getting a path way to re-bodying a structurally compromised old body and its plates to rebody for safety and to then prevent the illegal rebirth types
Just a thought bubble
I would also think the ICV pathway might be available to these ?
Cheers
ICVs without a vin(reproduction vehicles basically) can only be issued historical registration in nsw
That's interesting, considering most ae86 on the road today are on club rego.
Is there a difference between historical and club rego or is it the same thing?
Vin swaps will happen
Are you sure?
@@NEVER-LIFTin NSW club rego involves being a financial member of approved car club and you can register either historic rego or classic rego. I've have a HR-31 Skyline on classic rego.
Why do they always make shells for the dork mobiles? Why not something interesting?
A possible avenue for new reproduction parts at reasonable prices.
We need someone to reproduce interior parts now
Th is will help the real enthusiasts
I see a LS AE86 in the future on RUclips.
The Idea is great but the price point is wrong for from where it is coming, for what it is, 40+ year old technology. For $10k they should be delivering the whole functioning car with a vin at its highest trim level including suspension, powertrain, AC, and with the modern technology automation being we have now that should be no issue.
The raw shell is worth maybe $3k-$3.5k to the market less than half what their advertising.😮
Production costs are very much a hidden secret for the industry. If you saw those numbers you’d fall over wondering what Ponzi scheme all the automotive manufacturers are pulling on its customers. This could easily be the poor man’s cobra kit car that most people could afford. That and there are many more platforms I foresee this coming. Maybe this will open the market.
The guy is wrong for other markets kit cars have their own applications for vins in other counties. In the US and Canada you can build your own creations and apply for a vin that is not held to the same safety standards as modern manufactures.
I could pay 3k right now if that was the price but at 10k I’m gonna sit on the sidelines for a little while
I think they know people will pay the money so why not charge more, besides the cost of a reproduction part is cheap once a company is set up but the cost of the tooling is where the value is.
@@NEVER-LIFT I couldn’t persay afford $3k personally but I’d manage to find a way for it to happen yesterday for $3k price. $10k, for a Toyota Corolla shell from the 80s, not happening for an old Toyota. In all honesty I’d like to see the Z cars or Datsun bluebird shells , or 70’s Celica shells or Supra shells.
This mate is smart shells with vins are cheaper then 10k and not to mention you can’t just buy one I think minimum order is 5 shells who’s forking out 50k with out the intention of flipping them
@@Idkspdy How much you wanna bet that we could do this with a from a manufacture from India or Mexico? With a vin and a much more reasonable price tag.
was hoping it was real - but have heard its been debunked.
Yep, this is a nothing burger. The 86 shell in the thumbnail is someone’s project car lol
I think everyone is "jumping the gun" here, 1st of all...has anyone bought a shell alreeady? The quality and dimensions look great in pictures, but has anyone seen the product up front in their face and gripped it with their own hands yet? Lol