Thank you Loam Wolf for helping me with my bike decision last year. I purchased a Levo Alloy and was everything I expected. I can only imagine how many bikes you guys have sold for some of these companies. They owe you big time
Thanks Chris for the kind words and we’re very happy to hear that you are happy with your selection. While it’d always be great to have the funding to grow our outlet we pride ourselves on the honesty in our reviews and comments from happy people like you! So thanks for the “bonus”! Haha
I’d pay $1000 more for a Timp Peak with a Bosch motor. Possible? If not the Orbea Wild seems worth every Penny! Both great machines. Unfortunately, the EP8 motors unreliable rep scares me.
That EP8 rep you speak of may over exaggerated a bit. Atleast in our experience. We've ridden probably 40+ EP8 bikes since they launched and only had one failure, which we aren't sure the cause yet, likely a belt. Granted, we haven't had any Bosch DNFs yet but still.
@@boulderghost4457 How many EP8 motors have you killed to get this perception?? I have read rumors of EP8 issues, but it seems to be a myth once I dig in. Having someone with first-hand experience with multiple EP8 issues is nice to set me straight.
I look forward to the EMTB shootout every year for the honest and unbiased reviews. It must be difficult given how many good bikes there are out there!!
I’m the grandpa with the Turbo levo comp carbon…! I bought it after seeing your evaluation and specialized put them on sale. I love that thing! I’ve been riding XC and trail bikes forever…more range and power now!!
Last year based upon your reviews, I bought a Rail 7, and then upgraded all the suspension to top-level components, basically giving me an aluminum frame Rail 9. Could not be happier. You guys are a very trustworthy source of information for me. Keep up the good work!
Bought last years award winner, the Scott Ransom eRide920. It was everything you guys said it would be! But at exactly 175cm (for Robert), my medium's 465mm chainstays & 1255mm WB proved just a bit too much sled and not quite enough shred for the SoCal trails ride. I love a bike that turns and jibs but can still send it. Just got off the phone with Ethan at Fezzari and mine will be here in 1-2weeks. Thanks (again) Drew and Crew!
I have that scott patron eride, I really love it. I commute to work with it and hit trails, hills, swamps, literally everything. Perfect allrounder for me personally. And yes, twinlock sucks on an e-bike. No need for that nonsense.
"I didn't worry about what category it belonged to" THIS...this is the perfect statement. Yes. I have the Patron 900. Love it. Ride it. I don't worry about what its category is. Tomorrow I might even take it on a road ride.... 😂
Having owned both the Shimano EP8 and the Bosch Gen 4, I wouldn’t even consider another bike with the EP8. If you are a cruiser then the EP8 will be fantastic, it’s torquey and will whisk you along but if you want a more sporty ride that lets you spin fast when the trail demands it, then the Bosch Gen 4 wins hands down and it can still whisk you along at lower cadence with plenty of torque. I also think it’s more efficient but it’s hard to say for sure since the suspension design of the bike plays into that as well.
Great shoot out , currently riding 2 levos , his and hers , your right anyone can ride these bikes , they are freaking awesome , and I think standing the test of time really well ,
@@MrTommyBp why do you need to remove it? The only reason I can find is if you want to put a new battery but the 750 is so huge that why would you want to do that on an enduro bike?
$$$$$$$. I’m a first time buyer of an E bike. So I purchased my Husqvarna at our local motorcycle shop for $4700. EP8 motor reasonably decent suspension RS yari & super deluxe TPR 4 pot Mullet. It handles so well & honestly does it all very well for the package. Started at the age of 29 riding and racing back in 1989 before that I was a hardcore motocross rider. I feel that e-bike is right in the middle of those two. At 63 I am in the zone and having the best time of my life hammering my husky. ❤ Happy Trails
I found some 2022 base model Husqvarna MCs for just $3,800 though it's farther than I'd want to drive for any warranty/maintenance but they do seem like an absolute steal for value. Sram sx/nx drivetrain though you will chew through that in no time at all, I would replace with gx after burning through it, or convert to maybe shimano linkglide drivetrain if I loved it enough and more aggressive tires and brakes depending what you ride
Kudos on a great and comprehensive review guys 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 we love them e-bike reviews yewww!!!! Awesome job to the whole crew!!! Definitely the place to be for ebike reviews, these shootouts are the best by far
Great work guys. Really informative and balanced reviews - thank you! I was tempted by the Orbea Wild and on paper it has it all… Unless you want to take the battery out (days when you want to go further or when you want to store your battery somewhere warm in winter) fundamental for me, so Levo all the way, but perhaps last years expert in the sales!?
Love watching reviews that you guys do gives everyone pretty good insight of what they wanna buy. A few of these bikes that you reviewed I have and it makes me feel good about my purchase. Thanks guys.
I love this breakdown and its format! Incredibly helpful information and to have your perspectives…is awesome. When will you be doing your 2024 EMTNbike shootout? Curious how think of the new Ari Nebo Peak will stack up against the competition. Thanks you!
12:16: one comment on the Timp Peak seat tube angle. The effective angle is 77.5. Fezzari measures effective seat tube angle at set saddle heights in each size (listed in the geo charts in the website). The size large Timp peak has a 77.5 effective seat tube angle a saddle height of 720mm. This is the rough saddle height of someone with a 33” inseam, which is really common for someone on a size large frame.
Thanks for your thoughtful reviews on who this bike is for. I watch/read all your reviews with an eye for what type of bikes would work for me. The "most likely to recommend" is the award that is most meaningful for me.
Hey there, friendly giants on the panel! It's quite a sight to see you towering folks reviewing these bikes. It almost feels like watching a team of NBA players doing ballet - quite impressive, yet a little unconventional. But here's a crazy idea: why not invite a fellow of more... petite stature to join your brigade? It'd certainly paint a different picture of how these two-wheelers perform for those of us who are a bit more on the lightweight side, and aren't quite reaching the ceiling with our height! Just a thought from down here below the clouds. Keep up the good work!
Haha thanks for the chuckle. While we get where you are coming from, the downside to having someone join the squad of a smaller stature, would mean that we would need to get 2 of each bike in different sizes to do it properly and fairly. Most brands may not want to send two bikes or have the availability to do so.
You're not alone, I swear every review channel are size large and up. I'd love to see more small reviewers out in the wild and how more people 5' 7 and under get along in the market in that awkward space of being between medium and small (extra small where it exists) and how/if smaller riders end up with different bike preferences due to the geo changes. Cause I've seen bike preferences and behaviors change on the other end of things when heavier riders have more mass to weight and gain traction and ability to toss huge bikes around, I can imagine similarly how some brands small would feel better or worse for some. I swear all the petite riders are in XC though 😂
Awesome reviews, you guys really do it right!!! On the Rocky Mountain just found out from Rocky they sent me the following regarding the cranks: "There aren't currently any 160mm cranks available on market that fit the required spindle spacing of our bikes. The closest you'll be able to fit is 165mm as Race Face offers their Atlas crank in that size with a 151mm spindle length. If you want to go down that route, you'll also need to convert your bottom bracket, clutch spider and lockring to 30mm as the Atlas isn't availble in the 24mm size specced on the bike.". A bit of a bummer, where I live low bb and 170 cranks is a recipe for problems, but I really like it!
Yes!! My favorite series! Def need a SL series and a Full Power series with / Trail/ Enduro for each if applicable. Hence you running into the Levo/Kenevo (which will happen in the SL category too) debate which has completely different linkage etc.
We’ll work on it. We’ve got a SL shootout coming later in the year and will do our best to test as many as possible, but time, budget and availability constraints prevent us from getting every bike out there. Thanks for watching!
@@TheLoamWolf Yeah of course it's understandable! Plus, since models don't change all that often (at least a couple years) you can leave off any previous models that don't have any changes but still add them to your shootout list to save some time and effort. Clearly you guys are on it! Cheers fellas!
Great reviews and recommendations! Looked like an awesome week and appreciate the full teams inputs. Now just dust off and get out to review those SLs for me!! 🙇😉
Have watched each individual review up to this finale and loved them all, great work. How would you rate the Santa Cruz Bullit amongst the 2023 line up? Be nice.. I’ve just ordered one haha!
Thank you for watching! The Bullit is still a solid bike, but others have overtaken it since it was released. We’re sure you’ll still have an absolutely fantastic time riding it though!
What EMTB would you recommend to a beginner in the mountain bike world? I recently bought the Specialized Turbo Tero 5.0, but haven't been able to ride it yet because of clavicle surgery. I want to progress in my riding to a full suspension EMTB. Thank you, John
Great reviews! Always look forward to your reviews. I 29nd the Kenevo in high position along with other mods and prefer it that way. Raises BB etc and makes it very versatile! I guess I have a Kelevo 😂 Great channel!!!!
Would love a tips and tricks or tutorial video from Robert for bigger guys who mountain bike. I am new to mountain biking (3 months now) and I am 6’3 225 and I feel cornering is really difficult for me and overall consistency in other subjects
Loam Wolf crushed it again with the eMTB Shootout. Got my Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Alloy cuz of how much you guys raved about the Levo and my stoke on the bike couldn't be higher! Keep up the great work 🤙
@@fzr1000981 Got my Levo Comp Alloy "used" off Pinkbike for $3500. I say "used" because it had 5 miles on the odometer. Its been a great bike for me. Threw on a Fox 38 and Cane Creek Kitsuma coil and it can handle all the chunk and tech I can throw at it. But the Wild looks nice too!
@@fzr1000981 It's cause a lot of them lose their warranty and a battery or motor replacement is 1k each... highly unlikely but if you do end up getting a new motor you get the warranty with it so! Not really all that bad of a deal!!
Thank you guys, I always keep an eye out for your yearly Emtb round up. Always extremely insightful and a diverse set of views. Well done as always and I think I’ll hang onto my 2022 Trek rail a bit longer but this years looking promising!
The Ibis Oso is art on wheels imo. I would buy it if they break with convention and offer a model with a motor system that has a throttle = no bashing pedals in bumpy uneven terrain.
Wild looks / sounds great, however you didn’t point out it’s not possible to change out a battery on the wild in the wild, at least you can do that with a Levo. Can you on a pivot shuttle LT?
Well done Loam Wolf Team!👊🏽 Was anticipating every review almost daily for the past couple weeks. Content is informative and helpful. As the “consumer” I/we do not have the opportunity to test all bikes so “I” rely on these to help guide me in my purchase.
Where was the Transition? Other than leaving out the bike I was hoping to see in the shootout you guys did a great job. I now have my radar on a Fezzari along with that Transition.
Great shootout. I purchased a FLX Weapon X EMTB. I would like to see a review of that bike from you guys. Not released quite yet but they do have demo bikes down here in San Diego.
Hello, I love your reviews and really taught me a lot about e-mtb. I've been riding bikes for a bit now and finally, I decided to get an ebike, just not sure which one would it be more convenient for me, if an sl or a full-power one, I saw both of your shootouts for full-power and sl. I don't have much free time so I think the full-power one, would be better to gain some time on the way up but I wouldn't wanna lose the play when going down. I live in Squamish, Canada, so trails tend to be a bit more technical than flowy with some tight corners. I'm around 5'7. Thanks in advance for any advice. Also if you don't mind asking, where does the Santa Cruz Heckler Sl stands in your sl podium?
Do any of the full power motors feel better pedal over the speed limit then the others? Or do you have to goto a sl bike to get that normal pedal bike feel over the limiter?
Hopefully more people give Orbea a chance because its a great bike at a reasonable price point (especially alloy). Way too many Specialized huggers out there, I'll pick Bosch for reliability all day
@@fzr1000981 that Gen1 is still a great bike. People are being put off by anything w/a HTA over 65° or STA less than 77°, like the Gen1 Wild, Gen2 Levo or a YT Decoy when those bikes will work VERY well for 80% of the riders on the planet. I have no doubt the 2023 Wild is everything the LW Crew (and everyone else frankly) says it is. But for it to be great, and greatly appreciated, the skill set and TERRAIN have to be there too.
Unreal test guys, this has to be one of the most informative and through! I am looking to get an Orbea Wild but always fall into the inbetween sizes being 5ft10. Appreciating this is subjective but giving the amount of time you guys have had on it, could you recommend sizes?
Thank you Alex. Without knowing much about your riding style, terrain and preferences, our best recommendation would be to look at the reach number on current bikes you really like and use that as reference. Also, for what it's worth, we believe that you can go about 5mm shorter on reach due to eBike's weight to keep similar stability but make it more fun and maneuverable. Easier to pop, manual and snap around corners. Ultimately depends on if you prefer a planted, stable ride or if you are a lively and active rider who wants to move the bike a bit easier. Thanks for watching! Drew
Thanks for the reply! Pumped to see it. Maybe I’ll hold off on getting the Scott random yall loved in 22’ to see if there a better option…I’m so ready to pull the trigger don’t know if I can wait 😂
Most important review of the year hand down! Only missing a lot of other bikes (i know. Time and money) and of course....... how would the eRansom be placed against this years contenders??? :D thx a bunch again!
We tried to include the most relevant bikes that we could get our hands on, but there’s certainly a few others we’d have liked to include if we had the capacity. Ransom eRide would still be a great bike in this years roundup, especially in terms of value.
Another great shootout! How would the Scott Ransom eRide 920 from last year compare against this year's top choices? The 2022 eRide 920 can be purchased for $6K and has a better Shimano drivetrain than the 2021 model.
Great video and comparisons, you are putting out some of the best MTB content out there! Pivot, Levo, Wild....whats a Southern Oregon to Bend rider to choose??
We appreciate that! Thank you. It would greatly depend on each rider and their preference. Robert would likely pick the Wild, Drew and others would likely suggest the Shuttle LT. Levo is great all around but Motor issues do seem to be a real thing for many Levo owners.
This round table is irrelevant because it didn't include bike flux capacitor 8000 and these bikes cost $1billion dollars. Now that we got that out of the way, nice job loam wolf as always
Awesome job as per usual. Currently own an alloy levo and love everything about it except the looks. Motor area is too chunky. While that may be silly I really like the aesthetics of the Timp Peak. These two seem very similar. Why would you recommend one over the other? What is your experience with support (apps, setup, warranty) and touch points (remote, screen, anything else). Is the motor on one louder than the other? Does the Shimano motor clutch still clank? I am getting tempted to get a Timp Peak but would love your input. Thanks in advance!
Thanks very much!! Greatly appreciate it. We could be under 50 but we’re in a “that battery is outdated” point so until consumers and industry decide what niche/area to land for multiple offerings etc, or u til 2025 when a new battery tech will come out to drop weight/energy ratio, we’ll likely be at a game of grams. We’re not far off though!! We’d wager that in 2025 many will be under 50lbs.
@@TheLoamWolf awesome, hopefully you will include variants of the same models within like the short vs long travel rise for example and the levo sl and kenevo sl
Orbea Wild alloy vs Fezzari Timp Peak? Pricing is about the same, Fezzari gets the better spec. Does the extra 20mm of rear suspension feel like a big bike compared to the orbea?
@The Loam Wolf I'm surprised you guys didn't mention the Cascade Long Travel link that does exist out there for the Levo which makes it something in between the standard Levo and the Kenevo (at risk of the warranty).
What made the Wild better than the Timp Peak? Seems like the motor and e-integration on the Wild is better. but anything else? I’m trying to decide between the two…
General geometry balance makes the Wild an easier bike to climb and attack the descents with, but the Timp Peak is still a shredder and slightly more playful.
@@TheLoamWolf Thanks. I know you haven’t ridden it and it’s crazy expensive, but any thought on how the Wild would ride in the LTD version, given that it’s 4-5lbs lighter. That would likely make it more playful.
Beautiful back drop for the table talk, where did you film? As a 2021 Wild owner I can't wait to try out the new hotness. Thanks for the great content! One of the older shoot out videos lead me to pull the trigger on my current Wild which I absolutely love.
Thanks very much! This was Pacific City, Oregon. May recognize it from the Goonies movie. If you check the website you'll see the link to the house we rented from Kiwanda Coastal Properties. It was an awesome spot.
This has been great watching these reviews! I’m on vacation and each episode has been my perfect head space. Pivot Shuttle SL has to be the best all around !?! Right???
Glad you enjoyed them! We kept this group test to full power eBikes, but will be including the Shuttle SL in our SL shootout later in the year for sure!
I just spent a large chunk of change for a Specialized Turbo Levo S-Works. Are you saying that I possibly made a mistake and should have bought the Orbea Wild FS instead?
Not necessarily, both bikes are very good and capable, it really depends on your terrain, riding style, and what you're looking for. The Wild is more "enduro" ready and the Levo is aggressive Trail, bordering on lower end of enduro. Ultimately though, if you like the Levo and have fun riding it, then no, you didn't make a mistake! haha. Enjoy the ride.
Nothing planned at the moment, but it’s an idea we’d love to do. Ultimately it depends on our production budgets and being able to source bikes to include in the test. We’ll do our best!
Thank you Loam Wolf for helping me with my bike decision last year. I purchased a Levo Alloy and was everything I expected. I can only imagine how many bikes you guys have sold for some of these companies. They owe you big time
Thanks Chris for the kind words and we’re very happy to hear that you are happy with your selection. While it’d always be great to have the funding to grow our outlet we pride ourselves on the honesty in our reviews and comments from happy people like you! So thanks for the “bonus”! Haha
We are glad you guys loved the Timp Peak!
We sure did! Thanks for letting us hammer it for the shootout
Happy with mine! I knew it was the best bang for the buck before throwing a leg over it!
I’d pay $1000 more for a Timp Peak with a Bosch motor. Possible? If not the Orbea Wild seems worth every Penny! Both great machines. Unfortunately, the EP8 motors unreliable rep scares me.
That EP8 rep you speak of may over exaggerated a bit. Atleast in our experience. We've ridden probably 40+ EP8 bikes since they launched and only had one failure, which we aren't sure the cause yet, likely a belt. Granted, we haven't had any Bosch DNFs yet but still.
@@boulderghost4457 How many EP8 motors have you killed to get this perception?? I have read rumors of EP8 issues, but it seems to be a myth once I dig in. Having someone with first-hand experience with multiple EP8 issues is nice to set me straight.
I look forward to the EMTB shootout every year for the honest and unbiased reviews. It must be difficult given how many good bikes there are out there!!
Thank you Andrew! There were no bad bikes on test this year, but there’s still definitely some that shine brighter than the others!
Great video. My Turbo Levo Comp arrives in a week!
Have fun!
I'm glad yall corrected the guy who mentioned wanting more turbo levo travel by mentioning the kenevo
I’m the grandpa with the Turbo levo comp carbon…! I bought it after seeing your evaluation and specialized put them on sale. I love that thing! I’ve been riding XC and trail bikes forever…more range and power now!!
Great to hear it Terry, keep on enjoying it!
Last year based upon your reviews, I bought a Rail 7, and then upgraded all the suspension to top-level components, basically giving me an aluminum frame Rail 9. Could not be happier. You guys are a very trustworthy source of information for me. Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much!!
This has been an amazing series. I have never felt more informed about a product category I’m looking at buying into.
Thank you so much, it’s what we strive to achieve with our shootouts so that’s awesome to hear!
Bought last years award winner, the Scott Ransom eRide920. It was everything you guys said it would be! But at exactly 175cm (for Robert), my medium's 465mm chainstays & 1255mm WB proved just a bit too much sled and not quite enough shred for the SoCal trails ride. I love a bike that turns and jibs but can still send it. Just got off the phone with Ethan at Fezzari and mine will be here in 1-2weeks. Thanks (again) Drew and Crew!
Thanks so much for sharing and putting faith in our process and reviews. We hope you enjoy the Timp Peak!
Great comprehensive content!! You guys are definitely on the apex when it comes to eMTB!
Thank you, appreciate it!
I have that scott patron eride, I really love it. I commute to work with it and hit trails, hills, swamps, literally everything. Perfect allrounder for me personally. And yes, twinlock sucks on an e-bike. No need for that nonsense.
"I didn't worry about what category it belonged to" THIS...this is the perfect statement.
Yes. I have the Patron 900. Love it. Ride it. I don't worry about what its category is. Tomorrow I might even take it on a road ride.... 😂
You guys have the best job ever. Very jealous, especially of Rob as a fellow Scot. Great video, thanks
I called it Drew back at the beginning of the year, Orbea Wild! Beers on you. 😂
One of my favorite channels. Great reviews, cheers lads.
Much appreciated!
Just picked up my Orbea Wild H10 yesterday and am stoked to see this video today!
Congrats!! Enjoy it n
AMAZING work guys....... Could not agree with you guys more, but next year I'm coming on the test right ?
It would be rad to have some cross overs for sure! You and Rob!
Heck yeah Sam!! Thank you and that would be fun!
Having owned both the Shimano EP8 and the Bosch Gen 4, I wouldn’t even consider another bike with the EP8. If you are a cruiser then the EP8 will be fantastic, it’s torquey and will whisk you along but if you want a more sporty ride that lets you spin fast when the trail demands it, then the Bosch Gen 4 wins hands down and it can still whisk you along at lower cadence with plenty of torque. I also think it’s more efficient but it’s hard to say for sure since the suspension design of the bike plays into that as well.
Great shoot out , currently riding 2 levos , his and hers , your right anyone can ride these bikes , they are freaking awesome , and I think standing the test of time really well ,
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the great shoot out finale vid! Love my RM PP A1. Agree that it is a sled!
Thanks for watching!
Couldn’t agree more about the Fezzari Timp Peak!
It’s a ripper!
Thanks for the shootout. Good job, incredible work, so many bikes.
Thank you very much!
Best MTB channel, hands down! Thank you for your content!
Thank you very much, appreciate it!
Orbea Wild, no real competition this year! Awesome bike. Great looks, great craftsmanship, great Bosch integration
Can’t remove the battery so is a no go for me :(
@@MrTommyBp why do you need to remove it? The only reason I can find is if you want to put a new battery but the 750 is so huge that why would you want to do that on an enduro bike?
@@Na2gumiBlogspot charging and transportation
@@Na2gumiBlogspot tons of reasons
@@Na2gumiBlogspot can't travel on plane with it
Amazing round up! You guys crushed it will all the testing and content for this shootout! Glad you enjoyed the Timp Peak!
Thank you Tyler!
I’m not even looking for an ebike since I just bought one but I love watching these videos! Great videos guys!!
Thank you Micheal!
$$$$$$$. I’m a first time buyer of an E bike. So I purchased my Husqvarna at our local motorcycle shop for $4700. EP8 motor reasonably decent suspension RS yari & super deluxe TPR 4 pot Mullet. It handles so well & honestly does it all very well for the package. Started at the age of 29 riding and racing back in 1989 before that I was a hardcore motocross rider. I feel that e-bike is right in the middle of those two. At 63 I am in the zone and having the best time of my life hammering my husky. ❤ Happy Trails
I found some 2022 base model Husqvarna MCs for just $3,800 though it's farther than I'd want to drive for any warranty/maintenance but they do seem like an absolute steal for value. Sram sx/nx drivetrain though you will chew through that in no time at all, I would replace with gx after burning through it, or convert to maybe shimano linkglide drivetrain if I loved it enough and more aggressive tires and brakes depending what you ride
I have about 400 miles good hard riding and so far no issues at all. A couple tire replacements. Shifting pretty ok still. Great times.
Thanks guys !
You're welcome!
Another excellent shootout video from Loam Wolf! The background view is epic, and even better with all the bikes on the beach! Awesome!
Thank you very much!
Really enjoyed this series. Great information.
Thanks for watching and glad it was entertaining and informative.
Awesome review gentlemen. You guys legit put bikes through the ringer in different types of terrain when testing/reviewing. Solid content. Thank you
Thank you! We try to get as varied of a picture of the bikes as possible to highlight their character, glad you appreciate that!
Hello.. just curious why treks new ebike was not included ? Ty!
Great video once again guys, loving the action shots, slow mo and descriptive comments. Looks like you had a blast 🤙👏
Thanks very much! There were some challenging days but we pushed through! Haha.
Love the series guys, great job. Luckily we get the wild in Australia, sadly just shy of 20k.
Great job again👌🏻👍🏻👊🏻✌🏻
Thank you Tommy!
Always love the shootouts. Very informative and helpful with comparing bikes.
Thanks Jason, we try our best!
Kudos on a great and comprehensive review guys 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 we love them e-bike reviews yewww!!!! Awesome job to the whole crew!!! Definitely the place to be for ebike reviews, these shootouts are the best by far
Thank you very much, we appreciate you watching and the kind words!
Great work guys. Really informative and balanced reviews - thank you! I was tempted by the Orbea Wild and on paper it has it all… Unless you want to take the battery out (days when you want to go further or when you want to store your battery somewhere warm in winter) fundamental for me, so Levo all the way, but perhaps last years expert in the sales!?
Love watching reviews that you guys do gives everyone pretty good insight of what they wanna buy. A few of these bikes that you reviewed I have and it makes me feel good about my purchase. Thanks guys.
Thank you for watching! We really appreciate it 🙌
Such a great channel! I was just going to skim through the video and ended up watching the entire video! Fantastic Job Guys!
Thank you Bill, glad you enjoyed it!
interesting to hear these guys thoughts on the new canyon 23 bike line up especially the new torque on and strive on
I love this breakdown and its format! Incredibly helpful information and to have your perspectives…is awesome. When will you be doing your 2024 EMTNbike shootout? Curious how think of the new Ari Nebo Peak will stack up against the competition. Thanks you!
Great watch and some sick rides !! Would really love to see a Pole voima in the mix !!!
They opted out of the shootout, but we’ll be releasing a solo review shortly.
12:16: one comment on the Timp Peak seat tube angle. The effective angle is 77.5. Fezzari measures effective seat tube angle at set saddle heights in each size (listed in the geo charts in the website). The size large Timp peak has a 77.5 effective seat tube angle a saddle height of 720mm. This is the rough saddle height of someone with a 33” inseam, which is really common for someone on a size large frame.
Thanks Tyler!
Thanks for your thoughtful reviews on who this bike is for. I watch/read all your reviews with an eye for what type of bikes would work for me. The "most likely to recommend" is the award that is most meaningful for me.
Thanks for watching!
Hey there, friendly giants on the panel! It's quite a sight to see you towering folks reviewing these bikes. It almost feels like watching a team of NBA players doing ballet - quite impressive, yet a little unconventional. But here's a crazy idea: why not invite a fellow of more... petite stature to join your brigade? It'd certainly paint a different picture of how these two-wheelers perform for those of us who are a bit more on the lightweight side, and aren't quite reaching the ceiling with our height! Just a thought from down here below the clouds. Keep up the good work!
Haha thanks for the chuckle.
While we get where you are coming from, the downside to having someone join the squad of a smaller stature, would mean that we would need to get 2 of each bike in different sizes to do it properly and fairly. Most brands may not want to send two bikes or have the availability to do so.
You're not alone, I swear every review channel are size large and up. I'd love to see more small reviewers out in the wild and how more people 5' 7 and under get along in the market in that awkward space of being between medium and small (extra small where it exists) and how/if smaller riders end up with different bike preferences due to the geo changes. Cause I've seen bike preferences and behaviors change on the other end of things when heavier riders have more mass to weight and gain traction and ability to toss huge bikes around, I can imagine similarly how some brands small would feel better or worse for some. I swear all the petite riders are in XC though 😂
Awesome reviews, you guys really do it right!!! On the Rocky Mountain just found out from Rocky they sent me the following regarding the cranks: "There aren't currently any 160mm cranks available on market that fit the required spindle spacing of our bikes. The closest you'll be able to fit is 165mm as Race Face offers their Atlas crank in that size with a 151mm spindle length. If you want to go down that route, you'll also need to convert your bottom bracket, clutch spider and lockring to 30mm as the Atlas isn't availble in the 24mm size specced on the bike.". A bit of a bummer, where I live low bb and 170 cranks is a recipe for problems, but I really like it!
Thank you! And thanks for sharing about the Rocky. Good to know. Wonder if 5Dev or other smaller companies might have an offering that’ll work…
That's wack
Yes!! My favorite series! Def need a SL series and a Full Power series with / Trail/ Enduro for each if applicable. Hence you running into the Levo/Kenevo (which will happen in the SL category too) debate which has completely different linkage etc.
We’ll work on it. We’ve got a SL shootout coming later in the year and will do our best to test as many as possible, but time, budget and availability constraints prevent us from getting every bike out there. Thanks for watching!
@@TheLoamWolf Yeah of course it's understandable! Plus, since models don't change all that often (at least a couple years) you can leave off any previous models that don't have any changes but still add them to your shootout list to save some time and effort. Clearly you guys are on it! Cheers fellas!
Love the OR coast! Cheers from Ashland!
So do we! Thanks for watching
Great reviews and recommendations! Looked like an awesome week and appreciate the full teams inputs.
Now just dust off and get out to review those SLs for me!! 🙇😉
We'll try, we still need the rest of the SLs to show up!
This shootout was amazing, thank you for all the work that went into this.
Thank you very much!
Have watched each individual review up to this finale and loved them all, great work. How would you rate the Santa Cruz Bullit amongst the 2023 line up? Be nice.. I’ve just ordered one haha!
Thank you for watching! The Bullit is still a solid bike, but others have overtaken it since it was released. We’re sure you’ll still have an absolutely fantastic time riding it though!
I hope one of these days you guys will get your hands on a Transition Repeater
And the Relay 🍻
What EMTB would you recommend to a beginner in the mountain bike world? I recently bought the Specialized Turbo Tero 5.0, but haven't been able to ride it yet because of clavicle surgery. I want to progress in my riding to a full suspension EMTB. Thank you, John
Great reviews! Always look forward to your reviews. I 29nd the Kenevo in high position along with other mods and prefer it that way. Raises BB etc and makes it very versatile!
I guess I have a Kelevo 😂
Great channel!!!!
Haha nice thanks for sharing your setup and we appreciate the kind words.
No Trek Rail this year? That's a bummer. The new Levos look like absolute rippers though.
Great review, guys! If Jesse James and Seth Enslow ever got together and created a YT channel, it would be TLW!
Keep up the work!
Haha, thank you! Glad you enjoyed
Great discussion - stellar bike picks - well done
Thank you very much Joe!
Would love a tips and tricks or tutorial video from Robert for bigger guys who mountain bike. I am new to mountain biking (3 months now) and I am 6’3 225 and I feel cornering is really difficult for me and overall consistency in other subjects
Noted!
@@TheLoamWolf let’s go!!!!
Loam Wolf crushed it again with the eMTB Shootout. Got my Specialized Turbo Levo Comp Alloy cuz of how much you guys raved about the Levo and my stoke on the bike couldn't be higher! Keep up the great work 🤙
Great to hear that Mark! Enjoy the Levo and thanks for watching!
Orbea makes a better bike for $4k less, Specialized is the BMW of mtb world (huggers galore)
@@fzr1000981 Got my Levo Comp Alloy "used" off Pinkbike for $3500. I say "used" because it had 5 miles on the odometer. Its been a great bike for me. Threw on a Fox 38 and Cane Creek Kitsuma coil and it can handle all the chunk and tech I can throw at it. But the Wild looks nice too!
@@marklopez5267 Sounds like a good deal. Used emtb lose their value faster than a kitchen appliance haha
@@fzr1000981 It's cause a lot of them lose their warranty and a battery or motor replacement is 1k each... highly unlikely but if you do end up getting a new motor you get the warranty with it so! Not really all that bad of a deal!!
Thank you guys, I always keep an eye out for your yearly Emtb round up. Always extremely insightful and a diverse set of views. Well done as always and I think I’ll hang onto my 2022 Trek rail a bit longer but this years looking promising!
Thank you for watching!
Solid content! Cheers!
Thanks for watching!
The Ibis Oso is art on wheels imo. I would buy it if they break with convention and offer a model with a motor system that has a throttle = no bashing pedals in bumpy uneven terrain.
who has the highest standards as far a not failing? Best Quality control? Actual warranty coverage and support? Thank you.
Wild looks / sounds great, however you didn’t point out it’s not possible to change out a battery on the wild in the wild, at least you can do that with a Levo. Can you on a pivot shuttle LT?
Fantastic reviews!!
Thank you!
Well done Loam Wolf Team!👊🏽 Was anticipating every review almost daily for the past couple weeks. Content is informative and helpful. As the “consumer” I/we do not have the opportunity to test all bikes so “I” rely on these to help guide me in my purchase.
Thank you Jeremy! Appreciate the kind words
Where was the Transition? Other than leaving out the bike I was hoping to see in the shootout you guys did a great job. I now have my radar on a Fezzari along with that Transition.
Should have promopted us to get popcorn for the feature length! Great work!
Haha! Thanks Sammy 🤘🏼
Why was the Trek Rail not in the lineup?
Loved this series! Great job and Great pick for EBOTY.
Thanks for watching!
Trek rail gen 4. On my list but not in shoot out?
Great shootout. I purchased a FLX Weapon X EMTB. I would like to see a review of that bike from you guys. Not released quite yet but they do have demo bikes down here in San Diego.
Hello, I love your reviews and really taught me a lot about e-mtb. I've been riding bikes for a bit now and finally, I decided to get an ebike, just not sure which one would it be more convenient for me, if an sl or a full-power one, I saw both of your shootouts for full-power and sl. I don't have much free time so I think the full-power one, would be better to gain some time on the way up but I wouldn't wanna lose the play when going down. I live in Squamish, Canada, so trails tend to be a bit more technical than flowy with some tight corners. I'm around 5'7. Thanks in advance for any advice. Also if you don't mind asking, where does the Santa Cruz Heckler Sl stands in your sl podium?
Saw you at Fezzari today as I was picking up my bike! Keep up the good work!
Right on, enjoy the bike!
Do any of the full power motors feel better pedal over the speed limit then the others? Or do you have to goto a sl bike to get that normal pedal bike feel over the limiter?
Hopefully more people give Orbea a chance because its a great bike at a reasonable price point (especially alloy). Way too many Specialized huggers out there, I'll pick Bosch for reliability all day
The Orbea is a seriously killer bike.
@@TheLoamWolf makes me wonder how the Gen 1 Wild would hold up in the shootout
@@fzr1000981 that Gen1 is still a great bike. People are being put off by anything w/a HTA over 65° or STA less than 77°, like the Gen1 Wild, Gen2 Levo or a YT Decoy when those bikes will work VERY well for 80% of the riders on the planet. I have no doubt the 2023 Wild is everything the LW Crew (and everyone else frankly) says it is. But for it to be great, and greatly appreciated, the skill set and TERRAIN have to be there too.
Awesome video! Nice one
Thank you Brian!
Great job on the review, I liked the Pivot Shuttle LT for the best all around. Have you guys reviewed the Yeti 160e and the YT Decoy Core 4? Thank you
Unreal test guys, this has to be one of the most informative and through!
I am looking to get an Orbea Wild but always fall into the inbetween sizes being 5ft10. Appreciating this is subjective but giving the amount of time you guys have had on it, could you recommend sizes?
Thank you Alex. Without knowing much about your riding style, terrain and preferences, our best recommendation would be to look at the reach number on current bikes you really like and use that as reference. Also, for what it's worth, we believe that you can go about 5mm shorter on reach due to eBike's weight to keep similar stability but make it more fun and maneuverable. Easier to pop, manual and snap around corners.
Ultimately depends on if you prefer a planted, stable ride or if you are a lively and active rider who wants to move the bike a bit easier.
Thanks for watching!
Drew
@@TheLoamWolf Much appreciated bud, will keep you posted and look forward to your next video 🤟🏼
Temp peak with 750 battery .done deal👍👍👍
Thanks for all the work on these. Any idea when the 2024 emtb shootout will drop?
Starting from next week!! Stay tuned. We’re excited to share this one.
Thanks for the reply! Pumped to see it. Maybe I’ll hold off on getting the Scott random yall loved in 22’ to see if there a better option…I’m so ready to pull the trigger don’t know if I can wait 😂
Most important review of the year hand down! Only missing a lot of other bikes (i know. Time and money) and of course....... how would the eRansom be placed against this years contenders??? :D thx a bunch again!
We tried to include the most relevant bikes that we could get our hands on, but there’s certainly a few others we’d have liked to include if we had the capacity. Ransom eRide would still be a great bike in this years roundup, especially in terms of value.
Another great shootout! How would the Scott Ransom eRide 920 from last year compare against this year's top choices? The 2022 eRide 920 can be purchased for $6K and has a better Shimano drivetrain than the 2021 model.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed! The Ransom eRide would still stack up pretty well, especially in terms of value.
Great video and comparisons, you are putting out some of the best MTB content out there! Pivot, Levo, Wild....whats a Southern Oregon to Bend rider to choose??
We appreciate that! Thank you. It would greatly depend on each rider and their preference. Robert would likely pick the Wild, Drew and others would likely suggest the Shuttle LT. Levo is great all around but Motor issues do seem to be a real thing for many Levo owners.
@@TheLoamWolf The Pivot sounds like a great bike, just not sure how I feel about all the reported rattling from the Shimano motor downhill
This round table is irrelevant because it didn't include bike flux capacitor 8000 and these bikes cost $1billion dollars. Now that we got that out of the way, nice job loam wolf as always
Ha ha. Thanks Colt.
i am owner of orbea wild 2023 and i am very happy that you choose right winner 😀
It’s a seriously good machine!
Awesome job as per usual. Currently own an alloy levo and love everything about it except the looks. Motor area is too chunky. While that may be silly I really like the aesthetics of the Timp Peak. These two seem very similar. Why would you recommend one over the other? What is your experience with support (apps, setup, warranty) and touch points (remote, screen, anything else). Is the motor on one louder than the other? Does the Shimano motor clutch still clank? I am getting tempted to get a Timp Peak but would love your input. Thanks in advance!
Greqt job fellas. You would think going into '23 we would see sub 50 lb bikes, but same weight same old same old. What say U everyone?
Thanks very much!! Greatly appreciate it.
We could be under 50 but we’re in a “that battery is outdated” point so until consumers and industry decide what niche/area to land for multiple offerings etc, or u til 2025 when a new battery tech will come out to drop weight/energy ratio, we’ll likely be at a game of grams. We’re not far off though!! We’d wager that in 2025 many will be under 50lbs.
Thanks for the hard work, guys. Enjoyed the series! So many awesome bikes. But now I gotta go ride my Wild. 😊
Thanks for watching, enjoy the Wild!
this was a great shootout! you guys should do a mid power/light weight e-bike one, theres enough of them out now to actually do a really good one
Thank you! We’ll be doing a lightweight shootout later in the year 🤘🏼
@@TheLoamWolf awesome, hopefully you will include variants of the same models within like the short vs long travel rise for example and the levo sl and kenevo sl
Orbea Wild alloy vs Fezzari Timp Peak? Pricing is about the same, Fezzari gets the better spec. Does the extra 20mm of rear suspension feel like a big bike compared to the orbea?
@The Loam Wolf I'm surprised you guys didn't mention the Cascade Long Travel link that does exist out there for the Levo which makes it something in between the standard Levo and the Kenevo (at risk of the warranty).
With that beach background, I was hoping to see the Goonies walking by.
Just us idiots instead, sorry!
What made the Wild better than the Timp Peak? Seems like the motor and e-integration on the Wild is better. but anything else? I’m trying to decide between the two…
General geometry balance makes the Wild an easier bike to climb and attack the descents with, but the Timp Peak is still a shredder and slightly more playful.
@@TheLoamWolf Thanks. I know you haven’t ridden it and it’s crazy expensive, but any thought on how the Wild would ride in the LTD version, given that it’s 4-5lbs lighter. That would likely make it more playful.
I own Pivot Shuttle LT team 2023, really great riding performances. If I wound change something on it? Yeah, Shimano for Bosch....
Beautiful back drop for the table talk, where did you film? As a 2021 Wild owner I can't wait to try out the new hotness. Thanks for the great content! One of the older shoot out videos lead me to pull the trigger on my current Wild which I absolutely love.
Thanks very much! This was Pacific City, Oregon. May recognize it from the Goonies movie. If you check the website you'll see the link to the house we rented from Kiwanda Coastal Properties. It was an awesome spot.
This has been great watching these reviews! I’m on vacation and each episode has been my perfect head space. Pivot Shuttle SL has to be the best all around !?! Right???
Glad you enjoyed them! We kept this group test to full power eBikes, but will be including the Shuttle SL in our SL shootout later in the year for sure!
I just spent a large chunk of change for a Specialized Turbo Levo S-Works. Are you saying that I possibly made a mistake and should have bought the Orbea Wild FS instead?
Not necessarily, both bikes are very good and capable, it really depends on your terrain, riding style, and what you're looking for. The Wild is more "enduro" ready and the Levo is aggressive Trail, bordering on lower end of enduro.
Ultimately though, if you like the Levo and have fun riding it, then no, you didn't make a mistake! haha. Enjoy the ride.
Thanks guys loved the series, anything upcoming comparing the most affordable e-bikes available?
Nothing planned at the moment, but it’s an idea we’d love to do. Ultimately it depends on our production budgets and being able to source bikes to include in the test. We’ll do our best!
Was hoping to see some lightweight eMTBs since my next buy will probably be a Fuel EXe or other lightweight ebike!
SL shootout coming later in the year! Stay tuned